Why SCR can't expand... and how Farleigh fixes that

[@DwellerUK]

I need to correct myself about why low framerate happens with the large map in SCR specifically - thanks to all those who have pointed this out. You don't really have to download the whole map when loading into the game - SCR uses StreamingEnabled, meaning only the area you are in is loaded for you, significantly reducing the number of parts being viewed and reducing occurrences of low framerate. However, what makes the size of the map cause low framerate is a floating point precision problem - in simple terms, positions of parts are located based on the world origin at Berrily, and Roblox can struggle to handle calculating position numbers of parts which are quite far away from the origin. This, in turn, causes higher CPU usage and makes the game run slower. Essentially, they can't expand because they can't make the world go too far away from Berrily (the origin), but they can fill in the gaps and make use of what they have.

[@trafficlightman6]

Okay. Good to know.

[@mudchute4dlr]

thats why people like berrily?

[@DwellerUK]

@@mudchute4dlr nah

[@mudchute4dlr]

@@DwellerUK oh

[@baguettelord9741]

Can they just scale the map down so the parts aren’t so far away from the origin

[@revkingracing84]

My theory is that Farleigh replaces the part of the port Benton loop as you can see the curve at end

[@TwizelUnlimited]

If I have interpreted your theory correctly, you think that some WL trains will terminate at PB then loop back?

[@revkingracing84]

@@TwizelUnlimited no it'll curve off port Benton and then terminate at Farleigh via the loop that connect uses

[@Tygereal]

@@revkingracing84 it could be a great idea

[@revkingracing84]

Well that age worse than milk

[@Romtalay]

I dont think Waterline goes through the port benton loop :/

[@oceannspiritt659]

"that would mean there would be 3 termini in a row which is very unrealistic" SCR: *laughs in Leighton Stepford Road, Leighton City, Leighton West and Edgemead*

[@AondosooWaya-r3m]

Technically, we could remove Stepford Road from the list as only Airlink terminates there.

[@Cal90208]

4:22 I present to you: -terminus at LSR -terminus at LC -terminus at leighton west -terminus at edgemead

[@ignacyk3203]

This aged like milk especialy 4:50, Farleigh is a part of the Esterfield line, and James Street is now limited

[@elixar844]

for optimization the developers can just load and unload areas of the map that the player or players are in this will greatly reduce the lag allowing a greater map size

[@pacermanthefan]

However this doesn't work due to Roblox physics and graphics, you see, full graphics loads the ENTIRE map and 9 loads most of it and so on going down

[@elixar844]

@@pacermanthefan yet if you look around you can see the map being loaded in and unloaded

[@pacermanthefan]

@@elixar844 because of the roblox graphics SCR does not have a fancy thing that some games have

[@Boypogikami132]

that can work since ERLC did that.

[@pacermanthefan]

@@Boypogikami132 `Streaming enabled does work but often doesn't if you move to fast so it would work but sometimes doesn't

[@MyIdeasHaveRunDry._.]

3:37 As a Mancunian, I can say that I am annoyed they got the layout of the station based on Manchester Airport inacurrately.

[@encarnipacheco5096]

Kills scr drvs to release updates*

[@DwellerUK]

well... then they'd be dead and so no updates could be developed

[@AdistuffRBX]

The best thing with 1.9,1.8 and 1.7 is that updating said areas or branches actually made the game less laggy so that was interesting. There was one thing I had to disagree with, if SCR still exists in 5-10 years technology would of improved so much most devices would e able to handle a laggy SCR V1.6

[@shankewang5802]

I hope they expand the map cause it's still a bit small though being one of the biggest maps, but considering it is a train simulator, yeah it's a bit small

[@davidhamburger7758]

0:28 even when i put my graphics to minimum, i'm laggy.

[@F714cch]

U said not Esterfield and now it's actually Esterfield lol

[@orange123ABCnaananamr]

I'd like to offer my insight here. We use a built in Roblox system called StreamingEnabled, which allows the client to stream in and out different parts of the map, in turn reducing lag significantly. Therefore, the size of the map doesn't really matter anymore, and the only reason we are bringing a close to map expansions and new stations is so we can focus on other things, such as upgrading current scenery. Hope this helps.

[@humza890]

Last time I checked, streaming enabled is in the SCR in game settings

[@YouVidTuber]

The only issue SCR will eventually see is the floating point errors if expansion goes too far from 0, 0, 0 I don't think there's any intention to go quite that far enough out to cause those issues anyways though

[@tenny_tenten]

The StreamingEnabled has an engine related issue, particularly when they are combined of custom ReplicationFocus and StreamingEnabled which causes the servers to suffer severe degradation of performance and ultimately freezes entirely, which exists since 2018 and IDK if Roblox fixed that issue

[@humza890]

@@tenny_tenten My guess is that this issue has been solved. Reason for this is because I have not seen a "slow server" warning on the Roblox servers tab for a while now. Plus, Roblox is able to support 700 player servers and not lag (assuming 700 players don't join all at once). The ikea game is a great example of this. You are correct that StreamingEnabled does require more work from the server, since it needs to constantly send part information to all the clients. However, I think Roblox server is able to handle this load. What causes lag nowadays is either high ping or slow client

[@sublivion5024]

@@YouVidTuber SCR already faces a lot of floating point rounding issues - these start becoming noticeable in rendering at about 8192 studs in each axis. Given the game uses StreamingEnabled, this is by far the most significant boundary to expansion.

[@SethTan23]

well, look at scr 2.0 now. so much has gone by. now we have the new rayleigh bay branch

[@EASsirenVids01]

This video made me realize, the reason they probably redid LC is because those City Thameslink platforms had to have had so many parts. I bet that LC was a major source of lag.

[@Cal90208]

Either way new leighton is so much better, but they need to make LC and LW the only terminating stations.

[@hesterclapp9717]

@@Cal90208 Or LSR and LW. After all, what else is the point of Stepford Road?

[@gb9727]

I guess this is why the city doesn't look that detailed

[@AtariPlayerx]

1.10 review? (When update drops)

[@DwellerUK]

yea

[@dannylen8830]

Quite alarge project but: Why not make another Stepford Game? A totally new map, with the similar trains and operators? Wouldn't that work?

[@OscarTheTrainspotter]

Looking back it should be 2.0 because it causing problems like V1.10.10 and others. Ands its basic maths lol

[@kirbgames]

0:02 games? i only know experriences

[@DwellerUK]

hahahah

[@cheeseysponge944]

When you mentioned the graphics try xbox I play on xbox you can't change graphics from max and can't speak or see what people say

[@f40phproductions]

What do you mean by "reshuffle"

[@DISCOPlayz]

I think it might be between James Street and Esterfield

[@Lukasekt212]

I have a AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core Processor, 16 Gigabytes of Ram, and a Gtx 1080 Ti Founders edition. I get about over 100+ fps with maxed out graphics, overall I can run the game very easily and smoothly with no stutters. But I do happen to drop the 30 - 40 fps when I move the camera to a certain point of view. I'm not sure if this is normal, or the game is just buggy. I did also overclock my CPU and GPU so that might've helped me just a little bit. Overall the developers of SCR did a fantastic job on their game.

[@Cal90208]

this happens to me too, especially around SC. Absolutely hate it. SC also needs a full revamp because that station is so ugly

[@trainfanboy98]

There are 4 terminus stations next to each other (LSR, Leighton City and West, and Edgemead)

[@AdistuffRBX]

LSR barely counts since AL needs expansion to LC anyway, west is technically a separate branch and Edge-mead is over a mile away from Leighton but i do get your point

[@xczzer]

@@AdistuffRBX He meant that there are 4 stations next to each other which are considered the final destination for some routes. Also no, AirLink does not need to be extended to LC. It is fine in LSR anyway, you can take a Connect from LC to LSR.

[@AdistuffRBX]

@@xczzer literally no point waiting for a connect, it’s kinda unrealistic why AL wouldn’t expand one station anyway

[@mudchute4dlr]

Leighton Stepford isn’t a terminus

[@xczzer]

@@mudchute4dlr It is mostly a through station but it does have a buffer, although terminal stations don’t define having buffers. They are usually considered the final destination for some routes.

[@millenniumtransit]

Farleigh is out

[@UnhingedNarrative]

yes

[@jamesbrown-ih1ev]

NEW Public playlist

[@goatgamer001]

3:56 i thought the same thing (thru and terminus) when the sneak peek dropped last Sunday. I love to hear that we share that opinion

[@jboxgaming444]

I cant wait to atualy see the update and bet on our theory's so hopefully 1.10 would be good

[@shohaibrahmani1180]

Do u can speak germany

[@karlthewimpykid]

april fools video: yes

[@DwellerUK]

nein

[@stacystevens1522]

@@DwellerUK no

[@creativejamieplays7185]

0:57 Well they don't load it all at once, that is why streaming enabled is a thing. Only loading what is needed to be loaded in the world.

[@tenny_tenten]

well, StreamingEnabled broke SCR

[@AverageTrainz]

and now we know

[@goatgamer001]

It could become something like mind the gap, which has more than 100 stations but no big gap, like the one south of Morgantown and the gulf of starryloch, and there are many directions to go from isembard, not just two like stepford Central

[@yeahman70]

I just came up with a theory, what if it is inbetween James Street and the Esterfield/Unknown Station but it just has 2 platforms for 1 direction and the other platforms cant be seen due to the wall, so its not a terminating station

[@Cal90208]

Makes no sense why they’d need more than two tracks unless they’re gonna shove express in there again.

[@scythal]

Guess what - you're right! - A "future" person

[@Cal90208]

@@scythal Kind of,

[@yeahman70]

Well I’m right that it’s both a terminus and thru station, but it only has 2 platforms 1 is bidirectional and the other is 1 way only

[@liamdrapes5421]

I am thinking maybe the waterline will have split extension one branch heading to the new station what's it is going to be called via Farleigh and one branch heading to lsr or sac this is opinion anyways 🤔

[@marliesnagelbank6862]

Maybe the "Estherfield" is Connolly, and Farleigh is that station beyond James Street

[@YorksLancsTransportHub]

But Farliegh isn't a full terminus which means there is a station after it.

[@Cal90208]

@@YorksLancsTransportHub Or there’s a depot past Farleigh and this is the update that we’re allowed to go into depots?

[@YorksLancsTransportHub]

@@Cal90208 there was a station with that depot though

[@Cal90208]

@@YorksLancsTransportHub ?

[@finnandbobo]

0:13 SOOOOOOO REALISTIC

[@tenny_tenten]

I agree with this, JSE could be only one stop because of the limitations and yes, it needs alot of optimizations

[@mudchute4dlr]

On the poll on discord, they said only one station after James Street

[@scythal]

@@mudchute4dlr Looks like they decided to splurge and give three (Farleigh, Rosedale Village, Esterfield) stations :P

[@agedflame]

The fact that they did decide to "Plonk it inbetween James Street and Esterfield" is a great example of "Never let them know your next move"

[@oliverlovestrains]

bodin is amazing

[@benyuen7054]

Maybe James Street extension??

[@Historicaleducation-pm1li]

already came:)

[@Cheeseeatingshark]

If they ever want to extend the map, they should do what PTFS has done, I'm pretty sure everything's half the size of normal roblox scale.

[@LazerCoins]

i cant belive when the snek pek came out i called it fair-lei not far-lee lol

[@DwellerUK]

the CD told me how to pronounce it sooooo yeah lmao

[@monikaencheva8490]

@@DwellerUK I pronounced it far-lei, cuz even tho im bulgarian, American accent is easier for me but yea now i know how to pronounce Farleigh

[@goatgamer001]

its ok the community understands Farleigh any way u pronounce that

[@goatgamer001]

Farleigh should be pronounced fawlee lol

[@penguinking3681]

4:15 So it turns out that this map was accurate. Unnamed became Esterfield, Farleigh replaced James Street and Rosedale Vlge just randomly spawned in between Farleigh and Esterfield.

[@shacarioking5149]

Hey Dweller just came back after being down the west coast main line all day but I didn't ride it I just filmed it and started posting since I've came off the Victoria Line and I also went on the Jubilee and Metropolitan Lines

[@CZECH_OFFICIAL]

With the grapfics was true until i buyed new tablet yestarday cuz the old broke

[@robloxdude7564]

This sounds like a tom scott video...

[@DwellerUK]

u sure??

[@josefignarut]

Outdated, couldnt see a V1.9 at the thumbnail page.

[@peaxn]

My theory is that it dont curve off west Benton and skip Benton because waterline's hub is benton but I think it will be before CSP and after BTN so you can go via CSP or skip CSP (then you rejoin if your going to JS or CNY)

[@thepanman2024]

I think the Devs need to really work hard on lag fixes and then in a year or so begin slowly expanding. Addition of scenery and occasional stations and they need to fully upgrade the whole map to make the game look as good as it can.

[@lucasturan4501]

it looks so weird compared to v2.0 map

[@linia_142]

Ahh, these speculations... He just said it will not be on the branch to Esterfield. And now, we have Farleigh there. Looks like someone made a mistake... And also, it's funny to see their theories.

[@olpyx]

Terminal 3 is not based on Heathrow. It is based on Stansted Airport...

[@Privatepilot415]

I think that Farleigh might have a loop in the benton area like the Cathcart circle line in Glasgow, or it's between James Street and Esterfield, although 3 terminuses would be unrealistic but we need more routes for WL don't you think

[@adamwilliams847]

Rosedale Village (RDV) is a good station for the WL Network

[@transport_breton35]

Pls don’t spoil it I have only “Newry- Greenslade”

[@josefignarut]

What was the name of the laptop? HP 15duxxxx-xxxxx?

[@ruifilipenortondossantos8127]

I thought farleigh would be before the ester field before the update

[@nateellaby6862]

I think it’s a bit like Altrincham

[@cypherfgt5092]

This game crashes my roblox every time, is annoying

[@SMB1341S]

Now the extension is released so ...

[@vihaanmylavarapu]

Who is watching this after the Esterfield extension?

[@alexbombardier5094]

thanks for sayng our name : kids.

[@zostrelling_]

AMTRAK

[@Transportationspotting]

My theory is that 1.10 has already released 😂.

[@shaneyboyyt]

Farleigh could be Esterfield because nobody really confirmed that would be the name

[@DwellerUK]

it literally says on the station sings in the sneak peek

[@shaneyboyyt]

By this I mean that Nobody said Esterfield would be called Esterfield

[@averagesingaporean3]

Well this aged like milk

[@Deepleswanseavalleybusspotter]

British Railway will change that

[@AlwaysChasingStorms]

1:07 what's the train used?

[@guypasquay3080]

scr

[@Keivon123]

The station on the picture looks like streatham

[@DwellerUK]

pretty sure Farleigh is based on Surrey Quays

[@flightsimaviationentertainment]

I have a rtx 3060 laptop

[@chilli8729]

possibly, farleigh is in between WB and Benton, pushing WB back creating a new interchange to stop express from being held back by waterline

[@alfiebarnes-webb6038]

I though it was going to be 2.0 next???

[@ziemniaczexpr0]

No???

[@xczzer]

No kids it’s not 2.0, 2.0 would mean a full overhaul of the network just like 1.0.

[@ziemniaczexpr0]

@@xczzer +1

[@notvexsggaming2023]

V2.0 YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@finnandbobo]

Excellent vid

[@BernardSo801]

SCR Logic since v1.2 Odd number updates:network and station upgrades Even number updates:extensions+odd number updates stuff

[@Shockingplayz]

Jam jam jam :)

[@1crafter176]

My theory T2 Might not actually be a Terminating station, and it might just stay as a Heathrow-loop like design, as in that sneak peak, there isn't really a clear shot of buffers (as there is in the end station.) Farleigh may be a loop to the north of Benton, going left after Cam St Parkway, and linking back up to the south of Faraday Road or sommin; or it could be a single-station branch that they'll dump Newry Harbour trains down, or possibly both!

[@bl.jackkk3231]

im lucky to have an 8th gen i5 laptop. not the most powerful but id say probably the best bang for buck for gaming, despite the integrated graphics...

[@Emi_LDA]

The best thing that can happen to SCR is that roblox offers to load the games on its servers and transfer the data to the player. This way we would gain a lot of margin, and the network expansions could continue

[@thegt3dude384]

i just got a discord notification for the most recent sneak peak in the SCR discord… while watching this. I don’t know if that’s luck or good timing.

[@Bez34]

Bruh I just made a video on this topic but it doesn’t come out until Sunday people are gonna call me a dweller copy

[@azuthebuckethead]

I feel like it's no exaggeration to say you are a godsend. I've been making my own soft since i was 14ish and since then it's beco my

[@samuelrobinson4446]

I think that Farleigh is before James street and/or maybe that terminating station is James street. Maybe the station beyond James street is in a different update. Maybe Farleigh isn’t a terminating station

[@Phoji]

17th comment AND ALSO I SAID JAM THE MOST

[@jamescampbell-mf2bi]

Fact: There are 13 steps up to the walk corridor at the Berrily Footbridge.

[@thomastalbot1953]

You clever clever man very good deductions from those terminating clues and all sorts 🙂

[@Probably_something]

*sees the famous "Dweller's Hob Insurance"*

[@MattCamelly]

5:37 I think it will end at sneek peek 10 then the next week it will release instead of #11

[@Cal90208]

Well this did not age well

[@MattCamelly]

@@Cal90208 We've only had 10 sneak peeks tho so it could release tomorrow

[@MattCamelly]

wait nvm lol

[@TrainboyCountryballs]

i think farliegh is a benton bypass to relieve traffic from benton it ahs a purpose and its in an already existing zone

[@ЛЬВИНИ]

Very nice video, likes from me

[@Satellite1012]

If Farleigh Is here probably West Benton gone

[@platform0]

(this is my opinion) i think, farleigh is the new name for james street

[@bobinskiplays1779]

Hooe it will npt get the buffer distance...

[@fankolei4530]

Update today ?

[@electrostar5161]

yes

[@fankolei4530]

@@electrostar5161 What time ?

[@electrostar5161]

@@disappointingmarbleraces9028 LOL FOOLED YOU

[@realfrowz]

I think its near leighton

[@Tygereal]

Well I trespassed a little bit and on the current version the tracks beyond js seem to continue all the way to lsr and then curve to the left and then vanish on the hills

[@TransportofPerth]

@@Tygereal How the hell did you get across the river bit after JS?

[@Tygereal]

@@TransportofPerth I basically turned the graphics at max. Anyways I didn't walk on the tracks, I did walk from JS to US then followed the tracks until they disappeared on the hills at LSR

[@Tygereal]

@@TransportofPerth I walked onto the river btw

[@britishwolfy3543]

What’s certain about Farleigh is that it’s a terminus station, since the train is facing away from us and is on the right

[@thecreation3892]

No, that's not exactly certain though, there doesn't seem to be any markers near the train towards Newry Harbour, so ye. (One possibility could be that Farleigh could be a through station that only sees one-way services, maybe as a potential new route (or 2 new routes) that would begin and end at Newry Harbour and maybe also Newry, while only going to Benton one way then looping back to Faraday Road via the Port Benton loop and passing through Farleigh along the way, and who knows, maybe Coxly Newton could be reopened as a waterline station for the Farleigh trains to call at before joining back on the remainder of Waterline on Faraday Road, maybe even using the rarely used platform 3 before heading back to Newry, not to mention that we might have already seen Coxly Newton in a sneak peek but prob didn't recognize it as such)

[@Cal90208]

@@thecreation3892 Which sneak peek would you guess coxly newton to be in

[@thecreation3892]

@@Cal90208 That will be something I'd prefer you to find out by looking at the sneak peeks, it's however not confirmed to be true, just a fun theory though. ;3

[@Cal90208]

@@thecreation3892 I looked, I don’t see anything that I would think is coxly newton which is why I asked you

[@unapersona7047]

help I can't enter the trainings I enter but the page never loads

[@jamescampbell-mf2bi]

Dweller, there is a new Sneak Peek. Check it out :)

[@shacarioking5149]

Are you still streaming