Why Shigaraki vs Jujutsu Kaisen is (Kinda) Close

[@adora_burst8143]

I love the thought of Higuruma catching Shigaraki in his domain and just him reacting to his list of crimes and the thought of Shigaraki's face when he realizes he isn't capable of using his quirks.

[@dafade2254]

Realistically I don't think a domain with a barrier would work on shigaraki but yeah that's funny

[@SimplyThinking677]

Likely Shigaraki would just physical violence him to death right after ending the restrictions on his quirks

[@pedroalmeida1456]

@@dafade2254 the Domains work with everyone that is not like maki or toji, and Higuruma's Domain block any type of violence, not just jujutsu

[@MakuraZalis]

​@@pedroalmeida1456wait are Maki and Toji domain immuned?

[@nate7631]

@@MakuraZalis Yes since neither of them have CE, most domain rules and barriers don't effect them.

[@bohemiansie]

I think we all know that Ronin didn't talk about Miwa because he didnt want to pull out the outerversal scales to make things fair

[@calebong]

Wait what makes Miwa outerversal?

[@MandatoryFruit]

@@calebong It's a joke pal

[@angrymeowngi]

I'm usually the guy who says that "Saitama sneezes everyone out of existence" but not with Miwa. She will probably low-diff Saitama. So it would be unfair to all of MHA.

[@forcers5k]

​@@angrymeowngilow diff? More like no concept of diff

[@noway6133]

@@angrymeowngi genuinely tho mahito destroys Saitama

[@AbhishekSingh-gk9gh]

I just want to point out one thing, it has been heavily implied in JJK that other than toji and maki almost everyone else has cursed energy. As long as you have emotions you have cursed energy jujutsu sorcerers are able to just control cursed energy. Which means the assumption that shigaraki doesn't have any cursed energy should actually not be true and hence he is susceptibile to todo's manipulation. From the feats shown I don't think shigaraki could fight either gojo or sukuna.

[@ibitorucookey-gam7503]

Gojo sukuna too strong on their own

[@Manshandle]

He literally has 0 defense vs any form of cursed energy

[@silvertongue.242_99]

So pretty much because shiga is apart of the verse of jjk he would because of negative emotions produce curse energy just not be able to manipulate it

[@silvertongue.242_99]

@@Gamfluent everyone didn't have a stand arrow but yes I agree

[@angrymeowngi]

​@@Gamfluentyeah that should hold up in all cross-verses vs battles. I mean if Gojo and Sukuna entered worlds like Naruto, Demon Slayer, Hunter x Hunter, Hell's Paradise they will just learn the powers within the first few minutes of seeing them and be at the top. MHA luckily has a different power system (more genetic). But for any vs battls to be fair, the effects of power system should hold to an extent. That is, physical, telekenetic, telephatic attacks should translate well enough and all the prerequisites like the curse energy of humans in JJK (with exception of Heavenly restrictions). As for MHA, you just have to be a physical being to be targeted by quirk attacks.

[@slackermaru4045]

You didn't bring this up but "Jacobs Ladder" is also a realistic win con that might actually one shot shigaraki, since it destroys "evil beings". And Yoruzu would also do well if her domain actually could've one shot Sukuna like she claimed

[@Djbemello]

Jacobs ladder does not one shot evil beings that’s just some thing angel made up because she’s evangelical. It’s blatantly, so not to be able to one shot sukuna who is very evil.

[@Schrift.Balance]

​@@DjbemelloThat's because, Sukuna tricked Angel, for a slight moment, he used Megumi's return to the body

[@Djbemello]

@@Schrift.Balance yeah but it didn’t one shot him. She still used the ability on him and he lived.

[@Schrift.Balance]

@@Djbemello That's the thing. When the Jacob's Ladder landed, Sukuna wasn't there, that's Megumi that's why Sukuna survived

[@mashaun2236]

Nah sukuna should have died but he tricked her. The move was over. You could see sukuna WAS NOT havin a good time

[@Veltree]

Lowkey, Yuki could black hole while Kenjaku shields their verse with gravity reversal. Nobara can provide straw doll support and Angel can erase shiggy’s quirks. This is all without Gojo and Sukuna.

[@Veltree]

Also, Gojo could lock Todo in a DE while touching him then Todo switches places with Shiggy. then you can finish him with Kashimo’s CT or something

[@meteor2082]

speed blitz and one shot

[@Veltree]

@@meteor2082 Who and who?

[@gamingtoast7974]

Todo can only switch places with people that have cursed energy. Also that doesn't really matter since todo won't be able to do anything in Gojo's DE. Also im assuming angel can only remove cursed techniques which quirks are not. They are literally biological, so i doubt they can remove quirks anyway.

[@meteor2082]

@@Veltree nobara, angel, kenny and yuki all dont have the speed to match shiggy. yuki and kenny have planetary Ap but only with their strongest moves which it is verbatim stated their durability doesnt scale to. Also shiggy can steal their cts if he touches them and for whatever reason doesnt just kill em w/ decay

[@D3MONGOD]

unfortunately my comedian goat 1 taps

[@jamesjohnXII]

It's really a 50/50 on that guy

[@Adrian_sthenics]

Takaba be like:"it would be so funny if I just one-shotted the whole fiction,haha"

[@4nnd711]

rare takaba fan, nice

[@batataverde6453]

​@@Adrian_sthenicstakaba actually him

[@Adrian_sthenics]

@@batataverde6453 True

[@danfoxdude]

Scaling every special grade to Yuki's black hole is just silly. This completely ignores that Kenjaku was getring hurt long before she reached that weight in her Technique plus scaling everyone to that feat just doesn't make sense that's not how special grade scaling works. Just because Gojo and Sukuna are stronger than her doesn't mean they have to be stronger than her in every possible scenario including her using her ability to mess with the laws of physics and make a black hole. That doesn't even make sense in the fight Kenjaku was DYING when it was being created the only reason he survived was the fact that he had a gravity technique.

[@CameronkAK]

Thank you. Kenjaku was stronger than Yuki but would have died if she didn't hold back the black whole. This is definitive proof that those stronger than Yuki do not instantly scale to her black whole.

[@seanbrown7083]

@@CameronkAK literally

[@gustavosauro1882]

Yeah, the black hole is easily the strongest attack in the series

[@lordvader3697]

​@@gustavosauro1882neither is it the strongest attack plus tenges barrier managed to dismiss it

[@QuazarNovaPrime]

It was backed up with a Sukuna statement though, but it's still a fair argument, when people like Takaba exist who can probably do even worse.

[@mrwonton5336]

Actually I’d like to point out that if Angel was able to catch shigaraki off guard she would likely be able to one shot him with jacobs ladder as she states when the prison realm disappears after she uses her technique on it that if gojo had turned evil he might have just been destroyed by her technique. Since shigiraki is naughty naughty naughty her jacobs ladder could literally just destroy him instantly.

[@marcierex4547]

Bro you did not just say "naughty naughty naughty" 😂 nah bro ya Killin me

[@ДюсековИльяс]

Well shigaraki blatantly reacts and deflects light attacks, so catching him off guard is virtually imposible

[@randomyoutuber2633]

​@@ДюсековИльясSneaking up on him from a distance, using it, dead.

[@ARandomEliatrope]

@@ДюсековИльясshigaraki is nowhere near lightspeed, mhaverse is hypersonic at highest lol.

[@vegetacultminorityhunter]

@@ARandomEliatrope character's in season 2 are capable are reaction to electricity which moves at 50% the speed of light

[@-barndon]

I don’t think I’ve ever once thought that shigaraki could beat Gojo or Sukuna tbh

[@dafade2254]

Him and sukuna are pretty close but shigaraki has no way around infinite

[@7Toxzic]

@dafade2254 I really just cant see it being close due to the nature of Sukuna's domain expansion and currrent arsenal of abilities

[@shofuyu_niceguy1]

@@dafade2254 incorrect, one shrine and shigaraki is gone

[@dafade2254]

@toxzic9936 we've seen with enough regeneration and endurance/durability you can survive it from gojo And shigaraki survived a nuke and regenerated from it so I think he would be able to do just as good gojo inside of sukunas domain

[@shofuyu_niceguy1]

@@dafade2254 tf you mean survive? you cant touch gojo and hollow purple erases you. sukuna's domain infinitely slashes you until ur dead

[@schpwi]

Just a quick thought: the reason Yuji was Mahito's natural enemy is because his singular body housed two souls, and so he had learned to naturally sense the contours of the soul. Not sure how the entire "AFO being inside of Shigaraki" thing works because I stopped reading MHA a long time ago, but that feels like a very similar situation and so at the very least I think Mahito's hax probably aren't as effective against Shigaraki as they might seem initially.

[@user-fd3vn5yq3h]

Yuji is Mahito’s natural enemy because he shares body with Sukuna specifically

[@schpwi]

@@user-fd3vn5yq3h No the statement was that because of his status as a vessel he had learned to read the contours of the soul subconsciously. Sure being the vessel of specifically Sukuna made trapping him in a domain impossible for Mahito, but it wasn't the reason Yuji could damage him.

[@zqninja3334]

Nope, Shigaraki is dead. Nobody could save him from the touches lol.

[@schpwi]

it's likely he could damage Mahito but still have his soul manipulated. that's all that I am saying here lmao no of course he's not getting saved from "the touches"

[@michapiasta3072]

​@@zqninja3334I think its matter of who touches who first, and shiggy has speed advantage.

[@100-People]

I don’t think Mahito can just regen with no body if he got decayed completely His regen comes from reshaping his soul, the body and soul are inherently intertwined, idk if Mahito can just come back from nothing, which is different from how he describes his regen to Nanaimo

[@5200-t7i]

I see your point, however I do believe that we need to take in consideration the fact that Mahito can shape his body to a (close to) infinite extent which is allowed by reshaping his soul. He does not regenerate by that logic. In that sense I can see 3 scenarios : 1: Mahito takes a form that Shigaraki can't attack properly 2: Mahito reshapes the decayed body part (actively removing/healing the damage done if we consider decay only affects the body and not the soul) 3: Decay also affects the abilities of Mahito and leaves him defenceless.

[@Fitz1630]

yo a bit late but, wouldn't mahito still be fine since decay still leaves the body "albeit as dust" exist. So in turn mahito would still be able to live as dust and just shape it back to normal.

[@Animemanist]

@panzerkampfwagon4349 it's not dust that's able to be reshaped considering it absolutely pulverizes you're opponent

[@Lil-lf5ls]

If shigaraki did and I know he can't but if he did kill him with decay mahito can still come back because he was not killed with cursed energy

[@Luffy-su1ho]

Mahito usually "Regenerates" by changing the shape of his soul and having his body change to fit it by proxy. In the event that his body is in deep danger, he'd probably switch to using cursed energy to regenerate the old fashioned way like the other disaster curses

[@royalguardian5426]

Bro no contest miwa swings her sword instant one shot😂

[@fegeh5434]

this is why we have NERFED miwa specifically, Shes too strong

[@ofimportance5458]

Lmaooo

[@zayyyzskii]

debate?

[@defeatingasandwich_onlymak9967]

No debate, its explicitly stated by the creator, GeGe that Miwa couls solo all fiction.

[@SupBro124]

@@royalguardian5426 Miwa is the strongest character in all of fiction 😭🙏

[@wolfbrigade8042]

You covering MHA is actually kinda dope. Would love to see more of that.

[@malcomalexander9437]

Sort of related, but I once had an idea for a Chainsaw Man, Bleach, and Jujutsu Kaisen combined world crossover that made things rather bleak when you consider how the respective monsters of each series essentially would feed off each other in a recursive loop of tragedy and misery. Hollows are stranded human souls that get corrupted by negative emotions and not being able to move on. Curses are spirits born of negative emotions. Devil are creatures born from and strengthened by fear. A Devil attack results in many people dying, not all of those souls are able to move on, they start becoming Hollows, these Hollows will attack people, Curses spawn from the negative emotions caused by these attacks, the Curses make Hollows show up faster, the fear this causes makes Devils stronger, repeat. Shinigami, Devil Hunters, and Jujutsu Sorcerers often have to deal with all three types of monster at the same time. The Gun Devil's attack caused a significant rise in Hollows and Curses.

[@chongwillson972]

@malcomalexander9437 i wonder what creatures would made up of positive emotions would be like in each verse?

[@Finalslashes]

@@chongwillson972mahoragas sword is one

[@chongwillson972]

@@Finalslashes that's a weapon not a creature.

[@echidnanatsuki882]

Holy- Bro! I have the same idea as well except I also include Mob Psycho 100 in it for the ESPers!

[@MasonMiller-it5uv]

As the strongest curse, Jogoat fought the fraud Shigaraki he began to open his domain, Shigaraki shrunk back in fear then Jogoat said, "Stand proud Shigaraki, you are strong."

[@Jaymix07]

Another victim

[@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache]

A guy read 236 chapters of Jujutsu Kaisen, this is what happened to his brain.

[@warmour2886]

He went on JujutsuFolk subreddit for 2 seconds and this happened

[@strongHORNET112]

As the grippiest curse, Mahigoat fought the fraud Hanami, she began to open her domain, Hanami shrunk back in fear then Mahigoat said, "Stand proud Hanami, you are cute"

[@aigeGeno]

Pure cinema. Peak Jogoat fiction

[@doryu1004]

I find it funny how Shigaraki lost to not a discrepancy in power but to how diverse, ludicrous and insane abilities are in JJK. Akutami Sensei is so creative y'all 😂

[@dravensanders6157]

Why wasn't Shigaraki's reactive adaptation mentioned at all? That seems like a pretty massive ability to just leave out, especially since he can grow a tidal wave of hands that each have access to decay.

[@josephmedina2625]

mainly due to infinity probably, unless you have infinite speed you cant do anything about infinity

[@josephmedina2625]

@meisme20 what?

[@ofimportance5458]

@@josephmedina2625but gojo can’t do shit to shiggy

[@josephmedina2625]

he literally has existence erasure and another instant one shot with unlimited void, shiggy isnt MASSIVELY faster than gojo so its only a matter of time before he gets caught in domain @@ofimportance5458

[@chidorirasenganz]

@@ofimportance5458 except vaporize him or fry his brain with infinite knowledge

[@iMrQueso]

4:25 Horikoshi has also confirmed explicitly that all movies are canon. Hence movie characters appearing in recent manga chapters.

[@IAmMega]

He has no chance against Gojo for obvious reasons, but he should be able to injury and very easily kill Mahito. Shigaraki has seen his own soul, Afos, deku, nana, and the first user of one for all. His attacks would most likely attack Mahito’s very soul. I would even argue he could negate idol transfiguration much how sunkana did, because he re gain possession of his body after all for one took it

[@frombogue]

Are you sure? The whole soul thing only revolves around AFO and OFA because they’re connected. That being said there’s no real proof of any of this, that he can harm Mahito’s soul or not be effect by Idol Transfiguration. The only way Shigaraki is leaving this battle alive if he makes Mahito flee or he runs away himself. Mahito is an intelligent being with a deadly ability and alot of potential due to him growing stronger throughout a battle.

[@zqninja3334]

I'm pretty sure that is not how that works at all lol. If he could touch Mahito in his super form, it probably wouldn't matter as he knows his ways around the attacks, and would just cut his head off.

[@ДюсековИльяс]

@@zqninja3334Manito is just really fuckin slow, compared to Shigaraki, he can’t just run away.

[@ДюсековИльяс]

There is actually place to argue that Shigaraki, could in fact damage Gojo really heavily, without ignoring or removing limitless. Shigawould use his air cannon, and Gojo let’s air pass through to breath, so he could blitz everyone else and if he was smart enough to think about that, he would defeat Gojo. But shigaraki is not that intelligent, so Gojo would still win

[@michapiasta3072]

​@@ДюсековИльясGojo could probably filter deathly dust with infinity.

[@Rl55322]

I think he’d actually do quite fine against mahito. Having all for one seems to be a soul related issue, and much like yuji being able to damage him and tank his hits just fine by simply being more aware of his soul, I’d think the same would apply to one for all. Gojo still claps him tho, not to mention the other special grades (and comedian)

[@kingmullet6]

Other special grades? I think only Gojo wins. Shigaraki speed blitzes all the other Special Grades except gojo. In my opinion he also blitzes Gojo but he wouldn't be able to get past Infinity so it ends there.

[@donryanetuke355]

@@kingmullet6sukuna can also win with his domain or maharaga

[@trxckydestroyer2213]

@@kingmullet6he doesn’t speed blitz sukuna since he reacted to an ftl attack (hollow purple)

[@CJ-qv4sd]

@@donryanetuke355 Mahoraga isn’t doing anything because it’s getting decayed before adapting

[@apiwutintongkam3149]

Takaba solos

[@goldenboxen6430]

also gojo can float and teleport ( i dunno if its teleportation or just him moving fast) i like to imagine gojo just chilling up in the air with yuji just talking about how hard he is gonna flex on shigaraki while like 99% of the people just die

[@davidwilkinson4634]

Teleport with a bit of speed

[@dragonousbrokenus69420]

It's a TP using a coordinate and compress the space with blue, so technically a Teleport.

[@rawreviews4733]

Yeah lol, Gojo is the perfect counter to Shigaraki. In character, he wouldnt even take it that seriously😂

[@GUYFROMEldos]

Gojo and sukuna could both team up and they still wouldn't be able to kill shigaraki Don't bring purple cause it doesn't have enough power to even one shot sukuna at 200% it only destroyed a building Domain cleave and dismantle they only cutting and stunning but no significant damage would be taken I mean he survived a fucking nuke at point blank range Gojo and sukuna would die if they just stood there for that All so shigaraki has decay super regeneration body manipulation physical strength that far outclasses anything in the jjk verse durability sukuna wished he had when Gojo blew up purple 🟣. And speed reaction on par with deku that can go to the speed of light and bend the laws of physics Nobody is going to stop him

[@rawreviews4733]

@@GUYFROMEldos Read the manga dude. Purple leveled an entire city, the only reason Sukuna survived is he said he was out of the range of the blast. Gojo opens his DE or hits him point blank with purple, its an instant win con. Meanwhile Sukuna not only has MS, he has a second power that lets him adapt to any special attack. Shiggys done 💀

[@WoobertAIO]

It all comes down to who reacts faster. There are several characters in JJK capable of one-shotting Shigaraki, but Shigaraki can also one-shot them as well.

[@zqninja3334]

Well yeah, you have the ability to 1 shot people, but your significantly slower than most of them, and can't even touch 1 of them. Not to mention uhh... Domain Expansion. Mahito Gojo Sukuna Any one except for Megumi that can use Domain expansion would fold the living hell out of Shigaraki.

[@yeahkeen2905]

@@zqninja3334Shigaraki is several times faster than the JJK verse, be serious

[@ARandomEliatrope]

@@yeahkeen2905LMAOOO with what proof? Shigaraki is fodder in terms of speed and would lose to somebody like Todo no diff

[@zqninja3334]

@@yeahkeen2905 Oh? How so? Because Deku caught up to a bullet... that wasn't even a bullet-

[@ofimportance5458]

@@zqninja3334all of them are hypersonic fodder

[@lucassdp21]

correct me if I'm wrong, but in the case of the black hole that yuki made, it was a REAL black hole, therefore, to survive, kenjaku had to react at ftl speed to activate the gravity technique in time, also recently in the manga sukuna managed to react at the last moment to gojo's purple attack that went to 200%, if the normal version would have to have ftl speed at the last moment, at 200% his speed should being older, although sukuna was able to dodge the attack, he reacted in time to resist it, the truth is that gege is good to explain certain things, but speed is very inconsistent

[@kennnnn]

Those are whats called "outliers".

[@Dr.Sam-Arc]

Gojo can teleport your crazy

[@asianpersuasion4901]

For fucks sake, the fastest movement speed in jjk is like Mach 5, you really think people in jjk (or any shounen story) reacts at light speed? Characters are barely reacting to piercing blood which is mach 1. Light speed is like Mach 870 THOUSAND. Even kenjaku barely reacted to piercing blood. And hollow purple isn’t crazy fast, the whole point of the barrier was to have sukuna not notice hollow purple until it was right up in his face, which isn’t necessary if hollow purple is that fast

[@Dr.Sam-Arc]

Gojo can telport with blue

[@irobo_games7375]

​@@asianpersuasion4901hollow purple is much faster than shown it instantly killed toji before he could react and instantly got all the way over to hanami before he could fully get out of the way just because its animated slowly does not mean anything

[@Atticus-Catnipp]

Shigaraki is also a victim of society. He would be a fearful curse user in JJK. He may round a group of curse useres to take over Japan. But successful this time. Decay could be a curse tequnice

[@ibitorucookey-gam7503]

CT : decay would be broken

[@fugoventro9403]

He’ll probably become an extremely strong cursed spirit seeking revenge on society.

[@cydra671]

I've never seen or read My Hero so correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like Shigaraki seems like a very chaotic evil person who doesn't care about others or himself, simular to Mahito but less scared. If he was a JJK character I can see him as the next Sukuna with the disregard for others, at least mindset wise if, Sukuna doesn't put him down first

[@avinash2771]

Shigaraki as curse would be terrifying If you use everything in his verse and dumb it in jjk We get a special grade that can instantly kill you plus could also steal your CT Add stuff like CE control, domain amp and Domain expansion on top , you get someone that can rival or even decimate sukuna and Gojo

[@ricardsjaunzems2364]

@@cydra671 I mean on some level you're right, but he does deeply care about his comrades, the League of Villans.

[@SeseOB2003]

Another cool versus battle of series I really like, I can’t wait for the next versus battle.

[@torcheded495]

he isnt touching my goat miwa but interesting idea maybe she'd have to try idk

[@BrokenRonin]

Yea maybe she'd have to unsheathe her sword

[@kingmullet6]

One thing I have to say, when you said Deku's speed surpassed Shigaraki's when he unlocks the gear shift quirk, keep in mind that at that moment Shigaraki (actually All For One) is in his "final form" which is a bulky, powerhouse type form. When Shigaraki escapes AFO's control and is completely free + has access to all his quirks, I think his speed is actually on par with Deku's (if not greater).

[@OscarDukes]

he does in fact shed off his muscle form and start's to react to Deku once that happens, while I don't think he out-speeds I think saying he is close relatively to him is a fair thing to say

[@kingmullet6]

@@OscarDukes he does have prime all might speed, so I think he is equal.

[@j_official4138]

@@kingmullet6 with gear shift dekus speed is far beyond prime allmights

[@zqninja3334]

That does not matter lol

[@iamtheprotagonist5614]

Just have a one shot domain expansion around Todo, then have Todo switch places with Shigaraki and activate the sure hit immediately.

[@vishakharun5325]

Can't do that cuz of how domains work. Similar to infinity boogie woogie would be disabled

[@lvsvoid2640]

domains only stop defensive parts of a cursed technique so boogie could work but idk cuz its still a cant miss attack so maybe it could since it would still hit someone@@vishakharun5325

[@Finalslashes]

@@vishakharun5325you’re illiterate todo uses it then domain my guy it’s not complex

[@D.bunk_]

As someone who pretty much only scales MHA, i would like to clear up some stuff. 1. The Deku and bakugo feat is most consistently calced at large island level, and tbh i have never seen a country level calc for it. 2. Using all mights 60x amp to get him to large island level isn't the only way as their are multiple feats that are island-large island level that are preformed by weaker charterers. 3. The nagant feat is actually a sub rel feat as her bullets are much faster than regular sniper bullets. 4. there are more ways to get shigi to rel besides the S&S feat, for example, Deku dodging lasers is movie 3, All might having a MHS+ feat vs bakugo and then adding the 60x amp for prime all might would get him to rel. 5. Using the inter continental missiles, you can get Endeavor to small country level as he did more damage to a high end nomu then the nukes did, and endeavor is about on par with weak all might, then adding the 60x amp for prime all might he would be large country level. As for your JJK scaling while im fine with the Speed scaling apart form the lightning feat as its unquantifiable due to it not being cloud to ground lightning. I do have some problems with your AP scaling, 1. The maximum meteor is a multi city block level feat because the only way to get it any higher would be to assume that its falling at the same speed as a real meteor 2. I actually calced the Dagon domain feat at large town level as a high ball because its unclear of how big the island itself is. 3. Planet level is simply just an outliar, being Sukuna being stated to be able to destroy the world doesnt automatically equal planet level as world can simplify refer to society. other than that i do completely agree with your take on this, Great video all around.

[@prajjwalyadav7508]

Imagine if everyone was losing and then takaba just pops up out of nowhere and instantly one shots shiggy just cuz it would be funny

[@warmour2886]

check me out *makes shigaraki die from tripping over a rock*

[@zk-vd6uy]

Takaba is the goat

[@mutedups]

Considering the fact that it was told by Gojo that a domain expansion neutralises cursed techniques it is entirely possibly (with verse equalization) that a domain expansion could possibly Shig's quirks. Alternatively Higaruma could use his domain, confiscate/death penalty Shig and have everyone else beat his ass. If not then the neutralization of quirks could be useful due to Mahito's 0.2 domain expansion which could blow up Shig's head

[@chongwillson972]

@mutedpodcast1036 if verse equalization what start to happen if shigi starts to steal and stack cursed techniques?

[@Agent-57]

He can still fu*k up everyone in the domain with sheer speed and power

[@happyguy1341]

@@chongwillson972 Don't forget if it's verse equalization then Yuta can copy them, it doesn't seem that quirks would drain so much CE or fry Yuta's brain like Gojo's infinity who needs six eyes to maintain it constantly.

[@chongwillson972]

@@happyguy1341 though what about shigi's non quirk powers?

[@happyguy1341]

@@chongwillson972 He wouldn't be able to copy them ofc, since he can only copy cursed techniques which currectly includes quirks.

[@thedinosaurshapedchickennu8714]

I feel like there is one factor you got to add is mahoraga for durability, due to the chance that he can adapt to shigiraki's decay and his physical power can be quite a big factor, this can be like mahito's and gojo's invincibility to shigiraki since the reasons in the video. Assuming shigiraki has no prior knowledge of mahoraga.

[@Djbemello]

Shiggy is more than capable of killing him instantly

[@randomyoutuber2633]

​@douglasgriffin4653 The wheel could pre adapt though, as shown before. At that point, its ggs

[@Djbemello]

@@randomyoutuber2633 I mean sukuna would be dead so there would be no summoning mahoraga lmao.

[@randomyoutuber2633]

@douglasgriffin4653 Well, he could just rid off a arm or something and make Shiggy erase it, and boom, adapted.

[@zqninja3334]

@@Djbemello Whos killing Sukuna? Lol he's gonna try and touch Sukuna and get sliced into meat, and burned alive.

[@daiblo.dshadow]

You high balled both verses.

[@TheNoratlp]

i think in an equalized vers battle, theres an argument to be had about shigaraki being able to resist some form of soul attacks. cause i would argue that things like AFO living inside Shigaraki through his quirk, and the vestiges living inside OFA could be classified as part of the soul living within quirks and assuch all the soulfragments ripped away with AFO would give shigi a bit of resitance he would still lose the fight but i think theres something there.

[@MZOver]

If Higuruma catches Shigaraki in his domain and talks about his crimes it would be funny since Tomura (alongside Mahito and Sukuna) is the type of person to say “Man, your right bro. I did that, but I kinda wanna do it again.” Also do you think the result changes if the rest of the League/PLF helps Tomura since Twice can theoretically make 100 Tomuras?

[@Official_NOM_]

Shig can be debated to have soul damage based on how you see the multiple quirks in his body. He might be like Yuji in a way

[@wheresprototype3507]

Not likely, we've never seen his quirks due anything with the soul. The most we've seen is the vestiges.

[@lucassdp21]

in mha it is based mainly on science and technology, never in the manga did they mention regarding the spiritual

[@anusaukko6792]

@@lucassdp21 Except Quirks basically being/having souls of the original owners, considering AFO saw the original owners of the quriks he stole in his dreams mad that he stole the quirk, + the whole OFA and AFO vestige thing.

[@ofimportance5458]

@@lucassdp21ok

[@jjsolo28]

You could probably actually argue with the way shiguarki hid a piece of his core away from afo so he could take his body back over he has an understanding of the soul that could hurt mahito lol

[@justsomeguywithatoupee8244]

Also, the All for One quirk alone is a sentient being within Shigaraki and if Limitless Void were to be placed on Shigaraki's mind, All for One himself could switch out and become the user of the body

[@JC4Stuffs]

Recently it was revealed that limited void targets even souls so AFO would be frozen as well

[@seanbrown7083]

@@JC4Stuffswhen was that revealed??? 💀

[@breno5029]

Sukuna vs Gojo fight, Satoru hits Sukuna with UV, but he ultimately only affects Megumi.@@seanbrown7083

[@Agent-57]

Only one at a time though. Since Vestige = Soul and AFO has a lot of them (every quirk has his own) Mahito will get confused@@JC4Stuffs

[@Type_1_weeb]

I get you didnt go over this because it wouldnt effect the match up but there are multiple characters who could survive the initial decay wave besides the special grades, Takaba and the disasters . Yorozu: she flies . Maki/Toji/Sukuna: they can do that air kicking thing . Meguna/Megumi: can fly with Nue or get high ground with RS . Mahoraga: he would adapt to decay . Curse Naoya: he flies . Certain fodder curses: said fodder curses can float Angel: She flies Helecopter dude/plane girl: they fly Todo: could switch with Shiggy/a CE infused rock/Helecopter dude to stay airborne JP Hakari: could maybe out-heal it Geto/Kenny: they can fly in the stork/fish Uraume: could possibly create enough Ice to halt the wave/ create a platform

[@Koopa.2000]

I agree on all apart for uraume because the ice can decay and her too, and the one who regen too because decay instantly kill

[@CJ-qv4sd]

You’re forgetting that shigaraki is way faster than all of these characters

[@coal159]

Mahoraga would not adapt to decay stop kidding yourself.

[@jimohabdulqudus4283]

​@@coal159If it does not kill him instantly, he would adapt to it.... It has to destroy him instantly

[@roublocksgamer]

@@coal159if it doesnt kill mahoraga instantly then it'll be able to adapt

[@Manshandle]

One thing he forgot to mention is that any sorcerer with even the slightest bit of experience has a constant subconscious cloaca of cursed energy so his decay would no hit them

[@avinash2771]

Decay can effect energy too Hence why it effected the stress quirk , also it can somewhat affect souls/consciousness which is basically what quirk factor is

[@victorkaranja1420]

The verse equalization is so dumb cus what does spirit energy mean in the face of atomic disintegration?

[@Kronidis]

​@@avinash2771the stress in medestro had a solid area to touch solid energy doesnt XD

[@Djbemello]

Cursed energy for the most part is intangible, so yes decay is still reaching them.

[@avinash2771]

@@Kronidis he threw balls of energy at the dude and he still touched it The thing on redestors body are stress Mass not energy

[@thedecentgamer8250]

A bit late to add in but Mahito would probably take real damage from decay if he got hit by it since both A. It’s stated that completely destroying Mahito would get rid of him and B. Due to shiggy’s interaction with all for one and the users of one for all, he can see the soul. Though Mahito could just fly above it lol, but he might be too confident for that

[@SweetPsalms02]

Air walk huh, I guess you could say he's a Sky"walker"

[@Dell-ol6hb]

I agree that only the strongest characters could deal with Shigaraki, though I have my doubts about Mahito being included, sure his ability is an instant win con if he actually touches him, but Mahito still seems to expend Cursed Energy changing his form and rebuilding his body when it is damaged so Shigaraki could easily just outlast him, plus we don't know how Mahito would deal with being completely destroyed by decay for example. Like does he survive that because it is not a soul based attack? To me it seems like that would have to kill him since there would be nothing left.

[@ElectraQvQ]

tysm for adding more content onto the Shigaraki fandom at this point in time 💗💞

[@dafade2254]

Surprised you didnt bring up machia actuality destroying mountains for the mountain part

[@flamingserpent-45]

It would just be like tanjiro vs Yuji where shiggy is too fast for gojo but lacks any means to kill him

[@hoshi6539]

15:25 my problem with "black holes" in manga is that if something that big was an actual blackhole, the whole world would have disappeared instantly

[@dallasdean4115]

Thats the thing, it would of byt Tengen(the best barrier user, and Yuki(the person who made it) were surpressing it, and it still almost caused problems

[@hoshi6539]

@@dallasdean4115 no, if it was an actual black hole the world would have disappeared instantly when it got created

[@marshmellowmoon7990]

No it wouldn't you don't understand how black holes work. Black holes are just objects with high gravity for their overall volume and outside of the event horizon they just act like normal objects. It would be the same as if a star just suddenly showed up next to earth, the tidal forces would probably break the earth apart and eventually earth would fall into it at that distance but it wouldn't disappear instantly. Actually we can do the math. I found that some people think it's radius is about 11 meters and if we plug that into a Schwarzschild Radius Calculator to find its mass it should only be 1240.2 earths in size. For reference Jupiter is only 318 times more massive but this is still only 0.003724 suns worth of mass. At the very fastest the earth could only get absorbed at 99% of the speed of light.

[@ve6ga]

@@hoshi6539 if you have the power to create a black whole, you should be able to partially supress it aswell.

[@hoshi6539]

@@ve6ga im saying those are not blackholes

[@Crazyparadox22]

Sukuna(slices till shigaraki dies), Gojo(puts in a domain and kills , Mahoraga(adapts to decay), Higuruma(stops his quirk and sentences him guilty and kills him with the sword), Angel (one shots with Jacob's Ladder), Yuki(sucks him up in a blackhole) and you could prolly go on...shigaraki doesn't stand a chance against the top predators of jjk verse

[@jamonrandomstuff4294]

He’s not gonna have time to adapt to something that’ll turn him to dust in meer seconds😂and Ahigaraki simply blitzed and decays everyone there except Gojo

[@slickprick1030]

blackhole is a suicide technique, shrine can be easily survived through regen. The only character beating shiggy is gojo due to infinity. Mahoraga can't adapt to shit, decay is literally the perfect counter to mahoraga. Shiggy is in general mahoraga's perfect counter due to having hundreds of different quirks. Jacob's ladder didnt 1 shot sukuna, who has vastly less dura then shiggy/

[@jamonrandomstuff4294]

@@slickprick1030 fax

[@גוגויחזור]

@@slickprick1030 Con regeneración espiritual y física, aclaró. Y mientras no tengas la suficiente energía maldita para defender tu cuerpo, los Cortes será terribles. Sukuna solos.

[@j_official4138]

ion know if you read mha but shigis regen is so crazy that he could come back from being a clump of meat. and he has quirk singularity which rapidly evolves his body to adapt to anything

[@Ashish-rk4pk]

mha is such a weird series in power scaling where at beginning even the most powerful character all might is like island level at max but at the end characters are like country level while jjk maintains a certain level and everything feels natural cuz they have already set a certain level

[@Akiraspin]

King Takaba solo's once again. We love to see it. "Stand Proud Takaba. You are funny."

[@MegaLalapala]

We going to ignore certain statements, but allow others? This ain't a vs. This is a contest of faves.

[@nehemiah7012]

What certain statements

[@MegaLalapala]

@@nehemiah7012 he chose to--and he explained--ignore the Mach 3 statement despite the fact that we might think we're seeing something different. The fact is nothing in the universe has been stated to counteract this tier of speed. But we're going to take All Might's? With statements you have to take all statements or nothing.

[@thatscool7877]

@@MegaLalapalaGreg himself retracted that Mach 3 statement.

[@Annihilation_Studios]

​@@thatscool7877 Greg 😭

[@JohnnyStar]

LETS GOOOOOOOO!!! WE COOKED WITH THIS ONE!

[@theKogane]

A Ronin Star super specialllll🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@BrokenRonin]

yessir yessir!

[@comebacksarecool2834]

You forgot to mention shigaraki having a 200 year old genius inside of him and the quirk singularity which allows shiggy to shapeshift and adapt his body to any situation he's in and that isn't even a quirk which means it can't be erased or stolen since it's his physical capability.

[@proto245]

The problem is Unlimited void, or Mahito's DE can hard counter AFO as he had never to deal with people that struck against the soul. And if Shiggy can be overwhelmed, so can AFO. He can adapt to all attacks, but a domain expansion would give both too little time to adapt, and by the time they understand it. It's game over.

[@comebacksarecool2834]

@@proto245 what's interesting is that mahito stated that the form of the body and soul are the same and are in relation to eachother. So wouldn't that mean shiggy body shapeshifting and adapting would mean his soul would also be able to adapt since the body and soul are one?

[@proto245]

​@@comebacksarecool2834 If my memory is correct, feel free to correct me of the timing. I think that was Mahito just giving Nanami false hope because nothing that he threw at Mahito was sticking until Yuji came into the picture. That's when it became clear how to defeat him. I don't think Shiggy, or AFO will realize how much damage a DE can do if it's aimed to the soul until it's too late because again, they never had to deal with people that attacked their souls. So they are going like Yuji in a sense to overwhelm their opponents with their powers.

[@comebacksarecool2834]

@@proto245 mahito was telling nanami how his ability worked back at the beginning of their very first fight. There's no reason for mahito to lie about his ability that early in the fight especially since it isn't even in character. He is a very curious character and he wanted to have a conversation and see how nanami reacts to his ability

[@Agent-57]

Didn't Kenjaku confirm that ?@@proto245

[@EpicoMarko]

I feel like something that's worth taking into consideration with the fight between Shiggy and MHA is deciding whether Shigaraki or All For One are in control, as they'd ofc act very differently due to their differing personalities and battle styles. I do love love this video though

[@haillordpopo9469]

I’d argue that shigaraki would be aware of the shape of his soul and this attack the soul off of the same premise as Yuji with All for One essentially being like Sukuna, also I feel like if Gojo is touching the ground during decay limitless wouldnt help him as he’s already on the ground being decayed and not considering it a threat, that said it’s a stretch to say he doesn’t get out of there. I’d also worry about if Shigaraki stole ten shadows as megumi has a flying summon to survive the decay wave and if shigaraki gets ten shadows he can absolutely stand up to the bigger contenders, then there’s the idea of him taking idle transfiguration and no one in jjk is reacting to shigaraki’s speed stat and one hand in the face lets him take a power, and domain expansion he takes would bypass infinity and we know mahoraga can adapt to it and no chance megumi doesn’t insta summon mahoraga here which might mean shigaraki doesn’t grab ten shadows just steals adaptation from mahoraga, with that adaptation and hyper regen nothing short of a purple perfectly aimed will kill him, it really just ends up coming down to what shigaraki steals

[@Titankiller-fz4tn]

It depends on the character for speed like hakari dodging kashimos lightning would make him speed or reaction time at mach 1282 at the least naobito is stated to be the fastest jujutsu sorcerer only behind gojo so we can assume they are both faster than that and other characters which scale the same or higher like kenjaku kashimo and sukuna should be assumed to be around that speed or more aswell although i may be wrong correct me if so

[@examoneslameraverga5074]

This is really Bad scaling since there are many Anti feats. Speed of sound piercing blood hakari is more than 280 times faster than Yuji now? Sub Sonic and mach 3 naoya this is the narrator now it's the closest to Word of god . massively hypersonic jujutsu kaisen is puré wank

[@Titankiller-fz4tn]

@@examoneslameraverga5074mach 3 naoya isnt rlly a good example as feats like maki catching bullets and others characters dodging bullets take much higher reaction timr and speed which has been scaled up to mach 24 before

[@jimohabdulqudus4283]

​@@examoneslameraverga5074You are not even scaling it well....

[@LN.2233]

@@Titankiller-fz4tn She caught rubber bullets, those aren't supersonic.

[@boza8737]

​@@examoneslameraverga5074gege admitted that the mach 3 statement does not make sense.

[@cowchow3086]

You also forgot to mention his growth and adaption abilities

[@Rhenkei]

Realistically not equalizing the powers would make this equal for both, they come to the fight with what they can actually do and not what they can do when u equalize powers. Also equalizing quirks to ce and ct is just impossible and removes the advantage ce and ct have same with quirks. You end up making domains, domain amps, simple domain all incredibly overpowered against Tomura since he can't resist the power nulling of it (unless Im missing something) but yeah it just ruins the match since we now ignore the advantages and disadvantages that they naturally have.

[@grendelbacani445]

Yup, curse techniques will 100% work on shigaraki since he completely has no way to defend from them but that doesn't mean the effects would be good enough to affect him. Keep in mind, some of those techniques, even domain expansions couldn't even level a mountain yet shigaraki on his current form casually does so. You think kashimo's lightning would work on shigaraki? Yes, but it won't do any lasting damage. After all despite it being a form of cursed energy, it still just functions as lightning and we already saw shigaraki tanking lightning bolts from other heroes like it's nothing to him.

[@grendelbacani445]

Pretty sure gojo can kill him since he has no way of negating gojo's infinity barrier so he can't touch gojo but it would take a lot for gojo to finally trap him in his domain to kill him given how fast shigaraki moves.

[@Koopa.2000]

​@@grendelbacani445the problem come with domain like gojo or mahito where you pretty much are fucked inside, its not fair to equalize it because quirks are genetic, ce is a energy system wich has determinated condition inside

[@grendelbacani445]

@@Koopa.2000 yeah, so only those domains would be the threat. The rest of jjk characters still gets blitz by shigaraki.

[@johnnymullen5884]

Well no, if you don’t equalize then Shigiraki cannot even interact with cursed spirits, since only a curse can kill a curse. Without Equalization, Mahito would very easily be able to kill Shigiraki since he would not only be invisible to shigiraki, but would also durability negate him as well. Without cursed energy he would probably also be very vulnerable to cursed speech, since the negative effects of cursed speech only appears when trying to command something with more cursed energy than themselves. Which would mean that inumaki or yuta would be able to one shot him. If you would like to, you could make it so that shigiraki can see and interact with cursed spirits, but at that point it wouldn’t even be fair, it would be like admitting defeat to the fact that shigiraki cannot win without unfair advantages.

[@ginnungagapabyss5639]

It’s a good think the man with the comedian curse technique was not written to be like the joker, it sounds like he would be like emperor joker.

[@amistake9264]

I know this is a power analysis video but I wanna say that I appreciate the Samurai Champloo music in the background

[@fwslaps4785]

Another thing that you could’ve used to get him to Island level is the hyper sonic cruise missiles because the large explosion from the missiles generated enough force for it to be island levels of energy. And before you say. “Shiggy almost died to it” the problem with this is that he was already very weakened as his body was in a vacuum, removing all the oxygen from his body, not allowing him to move his muscles on top of Stars and Stripes laser melting his skin so that way his skeleton structure would be exposed to the hyper sonic cruise missile so that way he couldn’t regenerate and two for the support that a healthy shigaraki would be able to tank this, endeavors flames does a similar amount of damage, if not more damage to a high end nomu this same shigaraki tanked endeavors flames. So you could’ve got them to island level without really having to use all might or his statement

[@SkeetWeet4368]

you can get that feat to small country level

[@choolwe5564]

Realistically speaking shiggy in peak condition wipes them out except for gojo

[@agentboi4794]

I just wanna ask in this are Geto and Kenjaku in different bodies or are there just 2 Geto's 1 being Kenjaku and the other actually being Suguru. Like I find the thought of Geto seeing Kenjaku in his body using his CT unreasonably funny.

[@larrypilot7356]

as much as i love Shigaraki jjk wins this fight but i do disagree in some statements the fact that he can't kill mahito and the fact he doesn't have some sort of soul hax and also gojo ripping off his head. The first point i want to get into here is the Shigarakis regeneration we know the doctor gave Shigaraki the same if not a bit superior regeneration to the high end nomus. We have seen with hood and woman the nomus that they have had their brains and heads ripped in half and almost destroyed hood literally ripping off his own head and regenerating his body back in seconds with woman she has her brain at least 2 times get ripped in half once by Mirko and the other by gran Torino. Shigaraki should have the same if not superior regen and also in the fight with star and stripes he himself states that "any attack not completely killing/obliterating me is pointless" now you could take this as him bluffing but later during the last war arc when he has his final apex finger armor form he literally after getting bullied by Deku swells and blows up and kind of literally makes an entirely new body face arms torso legs he creates a whole new body hell even before his apex form we see him creating giant finger tsunami like appendages some having eyes coming out others mouths and faces and that's him quirkless that's the whole quirk singularity thing he basically is adapting to everyone's attacks and transforming his body he's not even using regeneration basically i am saying for the jjk verse to kill him they need to either seal him attack his soul or just straight up obliterate him and speaking of soul i said earlier that Shigaraki has some form of soul hax and can at least interact with mahito for that we need to take a look at the vestige world and quirks all for one states that a quirk has apart of someone's soul with it and we see multiple times that afo has control over the quirks is the vestige world can talk to interact literally attack them Shigaraki can do the same since he has afo also when he literally frees himself from afo's control he states himself that he took part of himself hid it from afo Shigaraki literally states he can move and touch his soul and in order to kill/interact with mahito you need to touch and shape your soul and since afo's vestige and or vestiges are literally souls and Shigaraki has interacted and literally ripped through afo's soul we can say he has some form of soul hax by him moving and interacting with his soul most likely killing and interacting with afo's and being in control of all the other souls/quirks inside of all for ones quirk so does jjk win yes but they need to put in a lot to keep him down in my opinion Shigaraki dust all characters except gojo because he cant touch him. also one last thing you said that some characters can survive decay when you yourself said that decay bypassed durability now you could say they could use reverse curse energy to heal Shigaraki has decays the high end nomus that as i said earlier could regen from just their head and brain in half so maybe at least the jjk character pull through decay a little bit they will eventually fall to decay if caught. So all in all Shigaraki speed blitz the verse if mahito tries touching/transfiguring his soul Shigaraki can just move his soul and anyone who tries to tank and use revers curse energy to heal but Shigaraki' decay has gone through the same regeneration that can heal someone from just their head into there full body in second Shigaraki also has the quirk singularity that can adapt to attacks and can heal himself through creating body parts for himself so only way to kill him take/steal and or destroy his soul completely incinerate and or destroy his entire body till nothing that is the only thing that can kill him and hell you said Shigaraki for this fight could steal technique's right what stopping him from speed blitzing Sukuna and stealing mahoraga and he becomes god you said yourself Shigaraki is alot times faster than jjk so he just speed blitz Sukua takes the 10 shadows and wins we have seen mahoraga adapt to Gojo's domain so i see this as either jjk gojo gets off something to kill him or Shigaraki steals mahoraga and becomes god and wins.

[@reidepperson8534]

I think the nature of powers of the JJK verse is extremely unique from other shonen, especially MHA whose power systems generally are 'big blast' or 'strong' or other stereotypical superhero powers with a few exceptions. Compare that to technniques like Higuruma's or domain expansions in general and you have a huge difference in power systems.

[@natrell.awsome4711]

that only falls short when ur just considering abilities and not stats, shigaraki who has rel-light speed feats easily washes the verse, not to mention he said he could wipe japan entirely off the face of the earth

[@monkeyeknom527]

The Mach 3 Statement was actually just a really dumb mistake by Gege (the author) Gege him self responded to a question in the Weekly Shonen Jump after the chapter released asking about the stupid mach 3 statement: (This is how the question went quote by quote) The fan asks: ''You went from Infinite to Mach --- are you okay?'' which Gege responded with ''To all of you thinking that, I agree with you.'' Gege knows he made a mistake about the speed and realised too late that he messed up all speed scaling in the jjk verse by saying that, but it was too late to for him to edit and republish sadly.

[@joshuafrazier3904]

I come back to this comment section and now realize both sides of the argument are clowns who clearly don’t understand the opposing verse too well. This is a stomp in JJK’s favor but it’s not as easy as some people think. Sure I’ve seen strategies that are genuinely full proof but people are saying things like Shigaraki doesn’t have speed scaling to or above Sukuna which is blatantly wrong with Sukuna questionably being Relativistic plus while Shigaraki is comfortably relativistic plus. Bare minimum if you think Sukuna is then Shigaraki would 100% also get that scaling since he has better and more consistent feats. Also people for some reason think RCT could outpace Decay when it fucking can’t, like I don’t know why people think this because holy shit it really doesn’t and it’s not even close. But even with Shigaraki likely having the stat advantage he seriously just gets screwed by Domains like seriously if Domains didn’t exist Shigaraki is beating like anyone not named Gojo. Also for people who think Mahoraga could actually survive decay I have to say this. In order for it to survive it would need to adapt to it meaning it or its user would need to get hit. If the user gets hit they die and if Mahoraga gets hit it dies. I mean this in the nicest way possible but Mahoraga literally doesn’t matter in this fight. Also Angel’s CT doesn’t work on the six eyes so it wouldn’t work on quirks. Assuming we aren’t saying quirks and CT’s are the same. If we are then arguably Shigaraki has a chance to win in like a 1 out of 1000 fight but like that’s some serious luck coming into play for that win.

[@satchelharding189]

Awesome video as usual ronin! It would be nice to see next versus matchup include black clover characters. How does jujitsu society handle the full force of the Clover kingdom. How would a Domain user face a Mana zone user, or how would a Magicless Brat fight the curseless War Gods?

[@Kame_Dragneel1187]

This was very entertaining to watch btw. And I also love how you acknowledge and don’t sleep on Shigaraki’s capabilities and admit he negs the majority of the verse. Also I don’t see how the cursed spirits can survive decay which is a complete annihilation. Unless they have shown otherwise it should be concluded anyone who gets touched by decay it’s game over for them. So concluding shiggy violates the verse (excluding Gojo out of this). Thanks to that overall speed Gap and decay+ him rampaging

[@SupaSoldierLegend]

I actually think he can kill gojo. Shiggy has the ability to make other people teleport, it was shown in S3 by AFO. He doesn’t need to touch gojo for it to work either. The reason I brought up the teleportation is because gojo explained that infinity only slows things down. That means if he is teleported to the ground then he will touch it. Teleportation makes you appear somewhere so there is nothing to slow down. If he is teleported to decaying earth then infinity by gojo’s definition won’t help and Shiggy could kill him.

[@Kame_Dragneel1187]

@@SupaSoldierLegend I manage to see a win con against Gojo that I have thought about. And it is that perception blitz. And it’s valid considering the fact that infinity is only effective against you and affects you. If Gojo see you as a dangerous threat which we see with the pencil and erasure when he stated he can distinguish the danger of the object. Which requires him to observe you which requires him to perceive you. If he can’t perceive you. He can’t stop you with infinity. Which can mean shiggy can blitz and get a touch and it’s it for Gojo

[@avinash2771]

Should Shigaraki be able to affect curse spirits? since he was able to decay redestors quirk (which is just stress,fear etc all piled up into mass and energy) And since Curses are born from negative emotions, he should probably affect them to

[@universallyepicnarwhal9102]

@@Kame_Dragneel1187 It's not observing with his eyes, it's with the six eyes. Six eyes is ridiculously broken if we want to scale like this, given that Gojo managed to go through *years* of memories in less than a second

[@zk-vd6uy]

​@@avinash2771nope rule is only cursed energy which shigaraki isn't capable to doing and stress was in physical form so he can contact with it

[@boqk]

God I love Takaba, especially in the recent chapters

[@echidnabathwater6627]

I think it's the same for a lot of characters though. The lower tier characters aren't even remotely close to the upper tier characters in terms of power. So when doing battles like this where you pit a character against the verse or even pit two verses against one another, you may as well take out 80% of the JJK universe and only leave the upper echelons in power when considering the scaling. Because it's a /vast/ leap.

[@HellSPDr]

The fight starts.......and Miwa disappears

[@BrokenRonin]

Disappears from his vision and cuts him half for sure

[@jjsolo28]

I actually don't see mahito surviving decay it turns you to dust basically instantly and nanami said you could beat him if you could destroy him in one attack

[@theonethatgotaway3475]

See the problem with this is that you have to choose to do one of two things with shigaraki, 1 say he has no cursed energy and cant be hit by mahitos domain expansion but if we say this he has no way of detecting mahito, and cause he has no heavenly restriction like toji/maki he gets hit first regardless of having a strong soul and gets blitzed by mahito, and 2 lets say he has enough cursed energy to see him, he is then succeptible to domain expansion and again, gets 1 shot, and even if we say mahito and shigaraki hit eachother by some miracle on shigis part (especially with how shigaraki has a bad habit of trying to tank all attacks thrown his way like a masochist) they hit eachother at the same time, they either 1 shot one another or mahito would kill shigi first because shigi has to decay his body that keeps reforming itself instantly, while mahito just has to destroy his soul which has no protection Tldr shigi has to deal with mahitos durability hax and mahito can ignore shigis durability entirely Also mahito can clone himself and shapeshift giving him multiple avenues to survive him

[@rac2300]

@@theonethatgotaway3475 nothing you said allows mahito to survive decay, and there is no world where he blitzes shigaraki.

[@No-kw9wu]

@@rac2300decay doesn’t hurt the soul it gets rid of the body meaning that he will survive

[@theonethatgotaway3475]

@@rac2300 mahito actively reshaping his soul and regenerating with cursed energy since hes a cursed spirit faster than tomura can decay his body does establish he has multiple stacking abilities to resist decay, and thats assuming an immortal cursed spirit made of cursed energy can even decay in the first place, and yes mahito can 1 shot shigi with his 0.2s domain expansion and if thats if he can be seen if he cant be seen he gets blitzed

[@rac2300]

@theonethatgotaway3475 I really have no idea why you think decay won't work? Maybe I've missed something, but had anyone in MHA regenerated from being decayed? Why do you think that Mahito's regeneration would stop the activation of decay? We Know that after Shigaraki activates decay, stuff just continues to decay without him touching it. AT BEST I could give you that Mahito would have to dedicate all of his focus and energy into regerating CONSTANTLY in order to try and survive. In the time it takes Mahito's domain to activate, Shigaraki could have jumped out of it 1000x over. We've seen much slower people react before his domain could be completed. Also, there's the idea that Shigaraki just has enough pure strength to break it from inside. That's also something that has been shown in jjk. So, again, not seeing Mahito as a problem at all. You can talk about Shigaraki not being able to see him or whatever, but that's irrelevant here. In a vs battle, you just assume that he can. Otherwise, you can never do one with bleach characters.

[@Upsilon1984]

Now I just need Broken Ronin to powerscale Ragna-Crimson

[@Onikage777.]

I second!!!

[@OscarDukes]

just wait till the anime comes out

[@hollowify_tensa_zangetsu]

DUDE WHAT!!!!!!pretty cool

[@Tomfoolery_Inc.]

it’s all fun and games until shigi takes limitless with AFO

[@Tairakrakan6372]

In the manga i think doc garaki said that he was not as strong as PRIME all might, but close enough to be comparable to him. Also his PURE QUIRKLESS strength was comparable(still weaker) to PRIME all might, if he has a muscle augmentation or power quirk he would he far stronger. But he get's destroyed by gojo and mahito the rest he can fight.

[@juliusnstarlet4585]

That was stated to be incompleted shigi and once completed was stated to be ON PAR with Prime all might.

[@kemalthom475]

he also would prob lose to hakari, and sukuna literally has a world cutting slash so that too

[@Tairakrakan6372]

@@juliusnstarlet4585Yeah perhaps but just to be safe i said he was still a little bit weaker than prime all might but even that is enough for most of the jjk verse.

[@Tairakrakan6372]

@@kemalthom475 i don't think he would lose to hakari, for me he could win against everyone, outside of Mahito, because of his hax and Gojo and Sukuna because it's well Gojo and Sukuna.

[@panizzutti]

Shigaraki is mahito that survived 😂

[@oess855]

Don't insult shigi like that lmao

[@raimeihakke6552]

I would like to point out that we absolutely do not know if Idel Transfiguration can heal Mahito if he is fully vaporized. I myself don't think it can and the story mostly support's this

[@Swonestone]

The strength recorded for shigaraki is his base strength while not being able to use any of his strength enhancing quirk because of erasure. The All for One quirk has been shown to have a active vestige world where at least the essence of shigaraki and AFO reside in.Idle configuration shouldn’t be able to work since technically he has the awareness of his own soul/essence . The only trouble he should have is not being able to hit gojo and his domaine expansion.

[@mwsage8645]

Large mountain level is a lowball, 100% deku in the second movie was knocking the tops off of mountains miles away by running away from them

[@Stasy809]

Yes that is why island level is more consistent he said so in the video

[@DHworldwide185]

Large mountain level is the more acceptable calc when it comes to Deku and Bakugo blowing always nines storm. I certainly don’t believe he is continental.

[@drmanhattan6820]

Awesome video! It would be interesting to see a versus matchup between Cosmic Fear Garou and the JJK verse. Would mahito be able to kill cosmic fear garou using idle transfiguration or would he encounter God the same way he encountered Sukuna when he used IT on Yuji. Will cosmic fear garou be able to brute force his way out of Gojo's domain expansion, since he has the knowledge of the universe?

[@tycookingup]

No it wouldnt?

[@joshuafrazier3904]

Cosmic Fear Garou likely blitz one punches the entire verse honestly. I'm fairly certain he can just neg Gojo’s infinity and he's fast enough to kill him before he can set up his domain expansion

[@randomyoutuber2633]

​@joshuafrazier3904 Only man could save them, Takaba, dude's power is that ANYTHING he finds funny happens, just no gore/violence. He says Garou can't harm him and just dissappear, boom.

[@michapiasta3072]

Regular garou? Maybe, Cosmic fear would be to much, he could just go mode:gojo and outinfinite infiniter.

[@kemalthom475]

@@joshuafrazier3904 how does he neg Gojos infinity bro isnt making any sense

[@StarstruckAries]

I guess you can make a case for everyone he is able to touch or get caught up in a decay wave/have no ability to save against it? If shigaraki does not have cursed energy however he kinda is just extremely more dangerous Togi with more wacky abilities. You could probably even make the case for him taking out Sukuna? Like even the adpation of Maharga wouldnt work as if you get touched by decay its gameover anyways unless he just adapts really quickly. Its a really stupid conclusion but Gojo should be able to beat him on the sole fact that Shigaraki can't do anything to him due to infinity? Even if he was able to get cursed energy you have to take into account that domain amplication is a advanced technique which someone with base understanding of cursed energy without being taught anything would not matter. Edit: its already been established due to AFO that he cannot steal the quirk of someone if he doesnt touch them and he cant steal ability's by touching the ability itself which is explained during AFO fight with Tokoyami

[@SkeetWeet4368]

shigaraki should just be capable of perception blitzing sukuna

[@guilha1506]

Sukuna wipes the floor, not even close, he has superior stats and more hax Shigaraki can’t get past Yorozu or Kenjaku

[@arthurmorgan835]

Idk if you've read the latest chapter of JJK and I don't want to spoil anything but I will say Mahoraga should be able to adapt to decay pretty much instantly.

[@michapiasta3072]

@@arthurmorgan835 but would it be fast enough, shigarakis decay directly aplied is almost instant.

[@devinsanidiot1150]

@@arthurmorgan835 for Mahoraga to adapt, he would have been already need to be hit by the attack previously and survive. Or the user of a darmachakra would need to survive and have that adapt too. If Shigaraki uses it on Mahoraga without any previous instances of him using it on Mahoraga and him surviving, Mahoraga would die, seeing as Shigaraki’s decay is instantaneous.

[@Reigen_Arataka69]

27:01 this is because his quirks were erased by aizawa otherwise he probably coulve wiped them all out in one blow

[@BlueStarr86]

It's like stepping into the Godzilla universe, you can kill everyone everywhere, most of the people and major combatants are chumps, but at the end of the day, there's Big G just standing there with his arms folded waiting for you to recognize that daddy's home, and he's got his belt.

[@animetv947]

All THIS crazy feat not a single counter to UV😂

[@ReKylo111]

If we are to consider the fact that Shigaraki possesses all of AFO's powers then he should also possess the same Space Manipulation Quirk that AFO uses which theoretically could bypass Gojo's Infinity

[@jimohabdulqudus4283]

It cannot...Do you know what infinity is.... Can shigaraki make infinity

[@גוגויחזור]

NO, Gojo puede anular la distorsión espacial con su azul haciendo que el espacio ocupado para la distorsión se vuelva negativo, ergo el universo se debe corregir y se anula la distorsión.

[@The275]

Afo and shigaraki is unstoppable duo

[@IsaacClodfelter]

Damn, if JJK gets the same benfit of the doubt treatment MHA is getting at the start most every semi special grade+ is gonna be damn near Continental to planetary.

[@theweirdguy8078]

There are direct feats that back up continental

[@thejmc5863]

Crazy thought Okay I’ve been thinking what about how about shigaraki with every mha quirk against sukuna with gojos and megegimi body with mahitos ability 🤔

[@wildera7456]

Having included that movie makes sense and is valid, with the way the manga has currently developed. Pretty sure the movie was confirmed canon.

[@rajaryan-fe1oy]

Sukuna VS the MHA verse next?

[@theweirdguy8078]

He would get cooked to the moon and back. Same with Gojo

[@memesix5440]

@@theweirdguy8078Gojo literally solos. He can’t be harmed lol. I could see Sukuna losing though

[@kabundio2420]

i think sukuna can solo shigaraki if he dosn't get oneshot specialy with mahoraga that can adapt to decay & strength/speed

[@FlawlessWallace3350]

Would Mahoraga be able to adapt in time it was killed by a domain expansion plus a fire arrow so I think constant decay plus another quick could finish it

[@-wallenstein-7540]

Sukuna gets splattered by a single punch from shiggy

[@kabundio2420]

@@FlawlessWallace3350 but in the fight now in the manga mahoraga adapted to gojo without being out

[@FlawlessWallace3350]

@@kabundio2420 true if sukuna keep it hidden yeah he’s good, if he brings out to test the waters it’s probably dead

[@coal159]

Malevolent shrine wouldn't work, Shigaraki would just protect his body in flesh and out regenerate it. Open: His flame technique would just get blocked by one of his many defensive quirks. Shigaraki would then proceed to smack sukuna with decay and he'd die instantly. This Videos stupid, He tried to argue JJK characters are at World Breaking levels, when the only one who's displayed a feat like that killed herself to achieve it and her technique was literally the only way to achieve something like it. (Even with binding Vows Sukunas Domain only stretches out too city blocks) Even Gojos 200%! Hollow purple rampaged through a city block and promptly got stopped. (A literal boosted Hollow Purple which is gojos current strongest technique) He's leaving out many obvious anti-feats in JJK being world level, But is also downplaying shigaraki by saying its out of character for him to one shot them. Despite the fact his examples of shigaraki "playing" with people is when his quirks where disabled and he was relying purely on his singularity and Physical power and was still DOMINATING. Ironically as well Shigaraki possess Mahito's technique without it even being a technique, He can quite literally bend his bodys shape and form as much as he wants.

[@yasukiofficial1541]

Summary: JJK characters who can beat Shigaraki: - Satoru Gojo Reason: Self Explanatory - Sukuna Ryomen Reason: Self Explanatory - Yuta Okkotsu (Potentially) Reason: Unknown Abilities that puts him on the same rank as Gojo, Cursed Speech: Die. - Yuki Tsukumo Reason: Black hole, Ignorance of Concepts - Kenjaku Reason: Special Grade Spirit: Ganesha (Removal of concepts), Anti gravity CT allowing him to fly as a counter to decay, Domain Expansion: Womb Profusion "Taizo Henya" (CTR Gravity not allowing shigaraki to stand). - Higuruma Hiromi Reason: Domain Expansion: Deadly Sentencing "Chubuku Shishi" (Prohibited Violence, Removal of Cursed Techniques [Crossverse equalization: includes Quirks], Executioner's Sword) - Kashimo Hajime (potentially) Reason: Unknown potentially Special Grade level Cursed Technique - Takaba Fumihiko Reason: Bro is funny - Hana kurusu (Angel) Reason: Nullification of Cursed Techinques [crossverse equalization: Includes Quirks], Jacob's Ladder purging all evil. - Mahito Reason: Invunerable to all kinds of attacks because he can only be damaged by people aware of their soul (debatable that shigaraki can damage him because of AFO), shigaraki has no counter against Idle Transfiguration, Domain Expansion: Self embodiment of perfection "Jihei Endonka" (Guaranteed Hit of Idle Transfiguration) PLUS, the reason jogo's Gokunoban: Meteor is just city level was because he threw it from a building. had he thrown it so much higher like madara's meteors, then it would've been catastrophe.

[@cowchow3086]

26:09 for takiba I think he gets blitzed and one shotted, he has to think, it’s funny for his cursed technique is active, so if shiggy blitzes him and uses decay he’s done for, as well as on cantact decay has been shown to instantly turn people to dust, I don’t see how sukuna would regen fast enough if his body it’s turning to dust and not taking damage. Same for mahito, how would he use his soul to survive if he just dust?

[@Kronidis]

Takaba broke the fourth wall and his comedian can bring his imagination to reality he has toon force pretty much shigaraki loses

[@Hadi-wf7ze]

I thought the way it worked was that Takaba just doesn't find dying funny at all times which would basically makes him immortal forever (until he decides that dying is actually funny which idfk why he would)

[@MasonMiller-it5uv]

I know I'm 4 months late but why would Takaba think he'd want to die? Also as long as Mahito's soul stays intact he could inevitably come back

[@JiggaOfficial]

Takaba is gonna see his lips and skin and laugh and drown him in jergens cream to combat that dryness

[@Onikage777.]

Click bait? 👀 After watching the entire video its actually pretty informative and based. But no matter how you cut it Jjk simply stomps Shiragaraki (even in an Mha vs Jjk) Jjk takes the W. As Yuta would possess the ability to copy and take away Shigaraki's abilities, they're multiple tools for this as well, there's still Angel too. Love the video though 🗿☕.

[@jamesjohnXII]

Shigaraki is still massively faster than Yuta and would only need to touch him to win Also we don't know what the conditions are for Yuta to copy something and it's highly unlikely that there aren't any just based on how jjk abilities normally function

[@Onikage777.]

@@jamesjohnXII Duely noted but he'd be faced with other characters too, he wouldn't be able to focus only on Yuta alone. We can't use the unknown for Vs battles so until stated otherwise Yuta's Copy is practically flawless + Yuta has RCT.

[@jamesjohnXII]

@@Onikage777. if we can't use unknowns than Yuta just can't copy Shigarakis abilities since we don't know how his copying works

[@Onikage777.]

@@jamesjohnXII We simply know he does, what's unrevealed is how, essentially effect without cause.

[@jamesjohnXII]

@@Onikage777. effect with unknown cause We don't know if the cause is possible again shigi

[@Wowza04]

All that for Gojo or Takaba or One of Tojis weapons or Kenjaku or Mahito or Yuki to outhax.

[@DomiEE]

I mean he’s gojo

[@Adrian_sthenics]

For Takaba to funny

[@CJ-qv4sd]

Toji, Kenjaku, and Yuki are getting blitzed and decayed before they can even do anything. Gojo, Takaba, and Mahito are the only ones that stand a chance

[@coal159]

@@CJ-qv4sd Stop putting mahito in this list, Shigaraki has an understanding of his own soul and even if he didnt mahito isnt coming back from complete decay

[@soraadcaelum2428]

Doesn't shigaraki have a radio wave quirk, which travel at light speed. So I think relativistic speed is very likely

[@Ace-0f-Spadez]

Yep he does he’d blitz jjk before anyone can activate anything

[@Smile-cg5ik]

radio wave isnt offensive though

[@Ace-0f-Spadez]

@@Smile-cg5ik I think it’s more about the fact he’s above characters that can react to light such as invisible girl who has caught Lester’s stated to be light.

[@gamingtoast7974]

He legit dodged lasers he is light speed

[@Smile-cg5ik]

@@gamingtoast7974 not trying to say he isnt light speed, just saying that him shooting radio waves isnt the feat this guy should be using

[@varenwilson1514]

This was a really cool video. Please do more verse vs verse videos (especially jujutsu kaisen). I dare you to try and power scale the primordial devils in chainsaw man though. Or find a verse that can beat jojos.

[@Yami_Yami808]

Gojo: "Hollow Purple" The entire MHA verse: 💥💥

[@Thedoorway123]

Misses

[@raphaelperez9722]

Now i want to see current deku vs all jjk characters

[@SkeetWeet4368]

he would one tap everyone in the verse except gojo tbh

[@SkeetWeet4368]

he would one tap everyone in the verse except gojo tbh

[@guilha1506]

@@SkeetWeet4368Yorozu’s victim

[@Type_1_weeb]

​@@SkeetWeet4368Takaba victim

[@SkeetWeet4368]

@@guilha1506 he one taps the verse except gojo lil bro

[@marvelmaniacs1]

I still do think the shigi can win he for sure has higher firepower than anyone in the verse since he is comparable to prime all might who was already a planetary level threat. But I don't actually think that Gojo can kill him or really do significant damage to him I think that other than domain gojo can't beat him.

[@Unknownink8]

Tf

[@marvelmaniacs1]

@@Unknownink8 Wacha mean

[@justcallmetheguywhocomments]

"prime all might who was already a planetary level threat", did we read the same manga?

[@marvelmaniacs1]

@@justcallmetheguywhocomments let me ask you this. Have you actually skilled MHA or you just saying this because you think all might is mountain level somehow and in his prime he's country level?.

[@marvelmaniacs1]

@@justcallmetheguywhocomments and you do realize that Deku by season 6 literally stated that he's on par with prime all might and by this point he was planetary and even if he wasn't he was considerably higher than multi-continental. And if you say that he isn't then that would not make sense since canonically has been a year and a half and it has also been 3 years ever since season 4 and you would also be telling me that he stayed the same consistent level of strength from the rest of season 4 to season 5 to the third MHA movie to season 6 to the new movie. That's about to come out to 80 plus manga chapters...