Why some speakers just don't deliver ?

Here I am doing review of three speakers
Monitor audio 252,Mission MX 1 and rogers Ls2a
Discussing the shortcomings of some small and mid sized speakers
Should also say they are cheap on the secondhand market .

[@shawnbottom4769]

Just found this channel. I abandoned the audiophile community long ago. I found too many of its members are a bad combination of arrogance and ignorance, just parroting “facts” they’ve heard. This gent’s honesty is very refreshing.

[@nicksundby]

Couldn't agree more.

[@brucetungsten5714]

Same as with many other "communities" - shallow understanding, egotistical leaders & "npc" troopers.

[@nickdoughty518]

I agree. It nearly turned me off the hobby. As you say parroting subjective opinions without much understanding. 'Running in capacitors' was a tipping point!

[@frankierodriguez8661]

I have my Missions MX1 with a 1978 JVC integrated (40 watt) and they sound fantastic, well, they are not Klipsch Heresy with a Saunsui AU 9900 but this review is somehow full of shit.

[@holliejohnson8206]

The Speaker hall of shame. Excellent. More of this please.

[@stereoreviewx]

Unfortunately there is fucking loads of them😜

[@AsfaltTV]

@@stereoreviewx Thank you for your honest reviews. I've been in to this, in and out, for a couple of decades now. And I still learn. I wonder If you have ever listened to the Sony SS-AL5 speaker? I sense the upper range products from the really big manufacturers often are overlooked in the hifi world, and this particular speaker is just one example out of many. If you are able get hold of a pair, I would be happy as a cat to hear your opinion on them. Keep up the good work! Greetings from Sweden

[@vox9841]

Thanks again for reviewing Kelvin, I hope your viewers go up you deserve it.

[@Mickparrysstepdad]

I've never heard another person say a speaker could make them feel nauseous, but that's how I felt when I played music through Dynaudio Contour 1.3se. Glad to hear I'm not the only one.

[@colanitower]

In many HiFi magazines all their reviews end up between 4.5 and 5 stars, rendering them useless and reducing the magazines to ads paid for by the reader.

[@1sostatic]

Absolutely - magazines do not do "fearless reviews" - They're influenced by the very companies advertising in their rag ..it's all about incoming revenues and not about the readership.

[@martyjewell5683]

@@1sostatic, sooooo sad that you weren't around in the later 1970's when there were excellent publications to guide you to decent loudspeakers (not to mention all audio components). Stereo Review, High Fidelity, Consumer Guide and my favorite, The Complete Buyers Guide to Stereo/HIfi Equipment. Lotsa stores to shop in for audio in 1970's NYC too. Where you could bring your own records and LISTEN right there in the freakin' store! A few stores I recall were; Tech Hifi, Harvey Sound, Great Sounds, Stereo Warehouse, Churchill Audio, The Audio Graveyard and even E. J. Korvette's sold audio. I dare say it was the "audio heyday" for hifi junkies like me.

[@1sostatic]

@@martyjewell5683 ...erm ...how was I not around in the 1970s? I'm in my 60's, restoring 1960's to 1980s audio

[@martyjewell5683]

@@1sostatic, oops!!!! my bad. As a sexagenarian you are undoubtedly familiar with life in the 70's. But there were many honest and truthful audio reviews in print back then. Yes, a shitload of hyperbole too. Vintage audio "restoration" folks are getting rare here in upstate NY. My apologies and I hope you have a loooong and healthy life.

[@efa0tz]

what hifi keeps recommending stuff that I had a chance to listen to and it was just plain bad. So yeah, I don't trust that magazine.

[@chriswhalley]

Dressing in black was very appropriate, those speakers are dead after that tongue lashing 😂 🤣 I enjoy your channel, keep it up 👍

[@josefserf1926]

OMG! A reviewer telling it like we hear it!? A refreshing change. Where does this leave magazine reviews? I remember both the MA and the Mission were once both hailed to high heaven.

[@AmbientWanderer]

Paid reviews sadly.

[@Smog104]

I totally agree with the comments below ⬇️, I am a Bang and Olufsen fanatic pretty much with their kit in every room and Tv 📺 too . 2 complete systems which are now out of production and the newer multi room stuff . This channel like Andrew Robinsons channel gives a very balanced view on HIFI and is based upon what is substantial knowledge of Calvin and his fair minded analysis which is not based on dislike through ignorance for a particular product. Bang and Olufsen is very good kit in anyones book ok it’s not generally up there with Wilson audio etc however the Beolabs 90 , 50 and 28 would give most systems a run for their money . B n O is built to last it looks and sounds great and thanks to this channel fir giving my preferred manufacturer a fair hearing like the recovering audiophile does across the pond 👍👍🇺🇸🇬🇧

[@tnarch]

I always love your reviews and opinions. You have an effortless way describing things and it is useful that you compare very different stuff so we get a good generic idea of hifi in general. Your reviews also helps someone understand that no big money is needed for a good sounding system.

[@andrevanstiphout]

Am into restoring/refurbishing vintage speakers (mainly Wharfedales) and all of them, once brought back to original factory specs., will walk all over this rubbish. The most recent ones I, restored are Dovedale 3's, Denton's, Melton's, Linton W30D's. All competent performers and very efficient so they don't need big amplifiers to drive them. I think, starting in the 1980's, speakers started to become so inefficient that if you didn't have 50 watts+, even these monitor style speakers would just not perform.

[@1jhnpennington]

Love your videos, mate. Always make my day.

[@pointormond]

Love your videos Kelvin, always a good watch. Ive got Celestion Ditton 33s and really enjoy them.

[@justyna4276]

Very entertaining and informative ESPECIALLY during these times thanks. I’m subscribing

[@mrl43]

Interesting. Just grabbed some Monitor Audio R252's out of curiousity (I seem to like sealed cabinets). I actually quite like them, great soundstage.

[@chrisvinicombe9947]

I just recenly bought some mission m35i cheap with damaged tweeters and peeling vinyl. They are gonna be an ongoing project. Have replaced the tweeters , copydexed the vinyl , replaced some bloated caps in the crossover and plugged the ports so far. The crossovers are garbage and are gonna get sorted. Will improve the cabinet damping too. All part of the fun of the hobby 😀

[@billturner6564]

I am glued to this channel I love it So far I have got myself a monitor audio r 352 speakers and a Trio k5200 receiver Tomorrow I hope to get a turntable to fill out the system Don't know if it's a good system but it's making me happy for under 250£ the lot Keep up the good work Loving every minute of it

[@stereoreviewx]

Nice one bill as you say the money is so low and the sound will be big you can spend a ton of money and get such a uninspiring noise out. K

[@monkeypunker]

Thank you, such a nice contrast to other reviews and reviewers. Low, low, small, low, thin, haha. There is so much stuff I couln’t listen to for more than ten seconds. Was thinking it’s me. But no, it’s them!

[@J0hnny8ravo]

Thanks for the insight! I was looking for those Mission, now I wiped them from my list.

[@roberte.andrews4621]

Right on! As I've said, if you experience life through a keyhole, you'll love small speakers. If you like your musicians down the hall and around the corner, buy mini music machines.

[@edwardbalboa5528]

Bin the chitty small speakers

[@edwardbalboa5528]

I like this guy ... He knows his stuff ,. Knows valve amps are Magical ...

[@MichaelYates]

Thanks for another nice review on these 3 speakers, I will stay clear of buying any of those

[@robmills537]

Hi Kelvin very good video buddy amazing that 3 big speaker companies can put out such poor models, I nearly bought some of the Missions for a second system based on reviews I read. Thankfully I bought some Q acoustics 3010 instead they really are nice sounding speakers.

[@HansJazz]

Some 10 years ago i picked up a pair diy 3 way speakers with Philips drivers. Closed tweeter and mid range drivers plus a 8" woofer. X over was a messy diy project as well. They sounded dull even after i replaced the caps. After years of gathering dust I took them apart and mounted all drivers and X over in a 40 x 80 cm piece of plywood, open baffle style. Not 100% open baffle as both tweeter and mid were closed drivers. I hooked them up with a Akai AA 1020 and they blew me away. Great open sound and detailed bass. I use them for nearly a year now and they please me a lot. Those drivers were prisoners in that cabinet so it seems.

[@ronalddamp2745]

My b and w d5 from 1975 still do it for me

[@Supashoppa69]

‘A little bit sick’ love it 😊

[@AndyBHome]

I really liked this video. It doesn't seem petty or like complaining for the sake of being negative. It's just a great explanation of why some speakers - especially low cost or small ones just don't have what it takes to be really pleasing. I could do my own similar video with some things around my house that fall short for yet another reason - they're old and the low end tech just wasn't up to what we've grown to expect these days. I doubt anyone was ever really excited about these.

[@stereoreviewx]

Andy I mean the point I’m trying to make here is to me is so under par but not worth having and they simply don’t say that certainly in magazines. Of course magazines have advertisers. 😀K

[@josephchamberlain3681]

Really love my vintage akai SW-157ii speakers

[@drs-Rigo-Reus]

We need more Monitor Audio reviews, Kelvin.

[@stevezeidman7224]

I had a great time listening to you laugh at speaker ineptitude. It was very entertaining.

[@markcarrington8565]

I've owned speakers designed by Rodin Marshall and heard a few more. In the smaller designs, such as Audiomaster MLS1 and MLS2 he went the sealed box route in search of a tightness in the sound. I think there were a lot of very boomy boxes about at the time, Wharfedale being typical, and he seemed to be going out of his way to make something more accurate. To me they sounded stifled, in much the same way as these 252s. When he went up in scale, for example, in the Audiomaster MLS4 and Monitor Audio R352, he had a bigger box and a port and it seems the sound has room to "breathe". Certainly the dynamics are in a different class. He probably did actually think about the designs just as much, but his priorities in the smaller designs, where more budget compromises had to be made, left them lacking. Very useful video, Kelvin, thanks.

[@stereoreviewx]

Thanks Mark interesting stuff K

[@russellherdson5763]

Here's my solution to the varying idiosyncracies of different speakers. I run a Pioneer VSX D711 amp to which is connected 4 sets of speakers on A+B outputs. There is Yamaha 2.1 column type, B&W bookshelf type, Wharfdale 6" midsize, and some unknown compact mini 2ways.. what one speaker doesn't deliver, one of the others does. The result is a lovely full range expansive sound, enhanced by running the amp with Loudness on. In another room I have a Quad 33/405 running Kef Concertos which doesn't sound as good as this multi-speaker set up

[@hrvojekant9415]

Great review ... indeed...never the less ...rather unusual one. Best Regards !

[@NatMart9394]

Please review old Mission 770 freedoms. I had a pair back in the day but couldn't use them properly as I was stuck with parents... Ive still got my big Arcam ones' from 1982 in the cupboard. Ran them with a little Naim Niat. Their mid range was awesome .

[@benjaminqilafku5714]

I wonder what are the speakers that brought tears from your eyes and melted your heart and what amps were they paired with in your audiophile life.

[@drs-Rigo-Reus]

Naim superuniti with Amphion Argon 2. A €7000 combo.

[@benjaminqilafku5714]

@@drs-Rigo-Reus Have no excuse not to sound great.

[@zindahoon]

What’s your fave speakers from 70’s ? Also from vintage speakers can you get that pointy and sharp centre image ? I know the soundstage is bigger than modern speakers

[@Anybloke]

I've owned and used a pair of Mission 760iSE since the early 90s and they still sound fine to me with my Marantz PM 6005. Thing is, hearing peaks when we are teenagers and like eyesight, degrades with age. Do you think these speakers might sound better to younger ears ?

[@tiagoduarte8737]

What do you think about the new triangle's br03, they're having a good press lately and how do you compare it with some of your favourite passive speakers?

[@alanwilkinson4080]

Firstly, thanks stereo review x for going to the trouble of making the videos - they are really enjoyable! Like you, I have been dipping my toe into analytical hifi for 40 years. Initially, it was necessary to buy magazines for information on 'the best' products and you ended up with very conservative systems - and there was paranoia when you did not entirely agree with the reviews. Maybe you bought second hand - and you just took a huge punt... Frequently buying somebody's slightly jaundiced piece of ki and spending weeks trying to decide - is it me - or is there something wrong with this stuff? KZbin is great - but, clearly, we can't really hear the setups that people upload - so we have word of mouth - but at least way more bandwidth... I admit, there was a point where I completely gave up on hifi- as it was becoming an expensive obsession - and I really had to buy some furniture for my home and buy food. I think audiophiles come in a cocktail of guises... If you are a person who wants to buy something to impress others - good luck if that is where you derive your enjoyment from... If the music is secondary to the equipment - and you are listening to the output of equipment to be critical - again, best of luck and I hope you get a lot of enjoyment from your choice of direction. If you are a musical purist - you like particular genres - it is all about the music - plainly, also good for you. Maybe... many of us are a combination of the last two? And this can frequently lead us to start listening to genres of music - and then loving them, courtesy of our experimenting... So - the idea that you are going to achieve reality in your living room, in that it sounds like the artiste/s is/are in front of you... Maybe this is more feasible with certain musical genres? And, let's face it, you can go to disappointing concerts... So reality is multi-faceted. I suspect... that everything we listen to with regard to equipment is 'coloured' - and we actively like a particular colour. The stereo review x look at a tube amplifier may support this? The immediate difference between tubes and solid-state is really alluring to many of us - and maybe especially if we do not really want to hear the 'heavier' end of the music spectrum. So, there is no definitive 'best' you like a colour and you listen to a particular genre - or genres, of music - and the combination of equipment serves that genre in the right colour for you. I tend to work on the premise 'rubbish in - rubbish out'. Therefore, feel that unless the recording is good it must be an uphill struggle to make it truly enjoyable listening. In the past, I have felt that the more esoteric the hifi I owned, the worse a bad recording sounded on it... There are bad hifis - but no best hifis. The perpetual law of diminishing returns means the hunt is, sadly, inexhaustible, and be cautious because it can be insanely expensive. So somewhere in there is the right hifi for you - and when you find it, I suggest you try to live with it and enjoy it - and not indulge in the 'if only I had/did... as there can only be dissatisfaction. ' However, if the chase is what you enjoy, again, good luck and enjoy it!

[@alanwilkinson4080]

@Display2012 Hi - thanks for your kind feedback - and... in vino veritas!

[@stereoreviewx]

Yes good points I mean ultimately it’s a moneymaking business there’s lots of stuff that doesn’t sound good and probably a small amount the really hits the mark problem we all have his hearing the equipment to know that’s kind of why I’ve got all this bloody gear Cheers K

[@PlaybackMansion]

Engineers need to use their enginEars

[@Detailverliebt]

so true

[@shawnbottom4769]

This is usually more of a bean-counter problem than an engineer problem.

[@thisisnev]

Very interesting video - thanks, Kelvin. A couple of years ago I was offered a pair of those Rogers speakers - glad I turned them down! I think the R252s were quite well reviewed at the time, at least in some quarters, but I've always stuck with the Monitor Audio MA16s I bought in 1980 with my first-ever wages. I put them up against the Mission 700S, many moons ago, and the MA16s won hands-down. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the tiny, cast-aluminium Technics SB-F1, if a pair should come your way. Their sound belies their size. I have a pair in my bedroom, and they're great in that kind of small-room environment.

[@stereoreviewx]

Yes the 25 twos I mean the box isn’t good the earlier monitor audio had nice veneered boxes more rigid.Earlier ones are better drivers K EF . I have a pair of bang and Olufsen CX 100 they are made of aluminium I really like them watch it if you buy them though they all need re-foaming. They do look totally great also K

[@adamk4716]

Love this, yeah

[@bartvanransbeeck1341]

Honoust enjoyable vision on poor speaker building....so true

[@drs-Rigo-Reus]

ASMR all the way, the best. Thanks.

[@Kulumuli]

I got Rega Kyte's and Epos ES 11's. I like them. But I've never heard these three speakers in the video.

[@TheGoranikus1973]

I Will allways pick Rogers speakers among others because of their natural and realistic tone.

[@twilwel]

Not exactly cheap (around £350 to £400) but an extremely good value are the Dali Ikon6 (mk1) who are at least 10-14years old by now on the used market. They are efficient (91.5db/W/m) , so they match very well with my sansui au101 which has only 2x18W. These do everything pretty good but excell in the airiness of higher frequencies. The dome+ribbon tweeter delivers something magical. Laid-back character (gotta like it, which I do). Female vocals and Gregorian chant are a delight with these speakers, but also Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" is a totally new experience. Previous experience: 4-way Philips 22AH468 (forward, kind of bright and not enough bass for me). IMF TLS80 (magnificent and very low bass and all around very good, but lacks the delightful extreme airiness from the Dali Ikon6). Magnat msp200 were ok overall but there's no magic (can't quite put a finger on it, it seems they only become nice on a high volume), the KEF103.2 is absolutely fine for classic music but no good for serious bass and seem quite hard to drive. Brand new Chinese clone of the LS3/5a: I have no comparison with the originals, but I love them for the near field and I consider them the ultimate computer speakers. Finally the Dali606, I have had these for 20years and they are quite good and very efficient and made me decide that the Dali Ikon6 would be a perfect match for my fantastic sounding but low-powered au101. And it was indeed spot -on. I still have a lot of trying and swapping around to do, as I have several excellent vintage Sansui amplifiers, a new 2x40W valve amplifier with a lovely sound which is currently hooked up to the IMF TLS80 (an unexpected match) and a new 2x110W Kinki ExM1 with impressive specs and very clean sound....but I prefer the sound of the lowly sansui au101 (fully re-capped mind you).

[@stereoreviewx]

Thanks for the info yes I’ve been playing my are you101 it just gives you so much K

[@vladbadragan]

The big brother of Monitor Audio 252 - 352 with open port, I find it very enjoyable paired with a good valve amp. Easy to follow guitar bass, low bass is pleasant and surprisingly delivers under 50 Hz. Highs are lovely, not ultimate level of details but I can listen all day long. I wonder if you ever had the chance to listen to those. In my eyes another bargain, as they share good combination of kef drivers with vifa/seas even if they are a bit later - mid 80'.

[@TheMildperil]

I buy sell and refurb speakers so I have owned all these models. I agree about the Mission MX1: Boring, Mission's budget offerings from the 80s and 90s had more going for them. The MA R252 is a good buy if you want a decent size speaker with real wood finish. The simple crossover is a hallmark of Robin Marshall's designs but to really work well you need a highly engineered mid/bass driver like that used in the Epos ES14. The dark horse is the Rogers LS2a (mine were LS2s with the Vifa/SEAS polydome tweeter). Nothing special with the standard crossover, but re-capped or bypassed with modern polypropylene film caps, they are SENSATIONAL. I used them as my small room demo speakers for a while until a regular customer of mine prised them out of my hands. I A/Bed them against LS3/5as, and I have to say I preferred the LS2 (only after recap). Capacitors are the best upgrade you can do.

[@stephencallil6512]

Benjamin I 'VE got a pair of ls2a .What I Found out that they don't work well with low powered amps I had them a monarch sa 600 then a kenwood k 1600g then I put them on a kenwood ka -305 [ 40 rms /channel] and they came alive

[@TheMildperil]

@@stephencallil6512 There's a great speaker in there with the right treatment, that's for sure.

[@JMJM75257]

What's your opinion in the bowers and Wilkins dm303 and 601s3 I have them hooked up in parallel to 4ohms with a 10" vibe sub running them through a smsl sa300 class d amp which is driven by a smsl Sanskrit 10th MK2 DAC! I'm loving this setup for the cost. Hands down best value I've ever achieved.

[@louiesipes2257]

Being as you are on that side of the pond, I’ve owned and loved Naim Arivas for years. Have emailed them to try to find out more info about. I used to build my own so I like to know details. Like is this a two way or three way? 2 and a half way? Like I said, I love these but I’d like to know details. Any help mate?

[@vicg5323]

9 minutes in and already got three KZbin commercials, dang it.

[@TKELCH]

install the BRAVE WEB BROWSER..... no commercials

[@drs-Rigo-Reus]

Waaaay toomuch, irritating as hellll

[@MichaelBeeny]

Regarding the Monitor Audio speaker, sure you can add better crossover components, add cross bracing and internal damping panels because I have done just that. It's now really quite a nice sounding speaker. However, it's no longer a budget speaker. Budget speaker are ALWAYS a compromise, they have to be simply because they are built to a price, hence budget speakers. Regarding the Rogers and the Mission, I agree they really are crap, nothing you can do with either. As you quite rightly said, the Rogers is not to be confused with the LS35A. Chalk and cheese!!

[@kevinlawton9661]

Yes, it is interesting how different models of speaker from the same manufacturer can have such different characteristics. Like you pointed out with the Rogers LS2A vs LS3/5A I have found with Mission speakers. I have a pair of Mission 770s which I would describe as "Lively, punchy and detailled" - quite unlike your review of some different Missions here. By the way, what amp/amps did you use for trying these speakers out ?

[@stereoreviewx]

I have heard very nice mission speakers my overall impression is just hit and miss more than other companies really

[@RWL2012]

​@@stereoreviewxhe asked which amplifier(s) you powered these speakers with.

[@bikemike1118]

Love it !

[@wirelive1003]

Totally agree about Ma 252. Bought a 2nd hand pair a few years ago thinking it 'ought to perform ' after reading rave reviews of the bigger r352 in the 90's. Turned out to be the most disappointing speakers I've ever bought. Didn't even bother to sell them on.

[@stereoreviewx]

Yes when you don’t sell them on it’s like you don’t wanna inflicted on humanity anymore

[@smugglersrun7779]

You say Yeah at the end of your comments lol reminds me of being Canadian and saying Eh! All the time 🤣

[@tunganh8181]

Monitor audio (model R582 MD) chúng có thực sự hay

[@briancampbell7712]

Hi Calvin...I have the Spendor S100 speakers...but there is one set of speakers that I wish I could hear and not sure if you have ever heard them or not...the Rogers PM510❓

[@ArlenMoulton2]

I replaced the crossover in my Mission MX1s with just a single 4.7uF cap for the tweeter, made a world of difference, they sound brilliant now!

[@davidmorgen4558]

unfortunately a huge problem of many speakers is a sad fact that the parts used on the inside are not always that good,that goes for some expensive ones as well,which is why i always pick em up used.I do my best to do some sort of modification which is not always easy but not impossiable. id like to pass on if one is so inclined-to unscrew the woffer remove most if not all of the white foam crap on the inside of your speakers.It really opens up the midrange.I did just that on my boston Acoustic bookshelfs cs 2s an it sounds much better preety cool cosidering costs under $100.20.00 new . a pair no you cant get them in the uk or us any more for that matter.Its worth bearing in mind that the majority of speakers from canada an the us generally have deeper bass than ones from the uk or europe.

[@theaudioman4446]

I've seen these Sony SS G4D speakers going 2nd hand occasionally and they look like a really promising design (3 Way, Large 10 bass woofer, Dome midrange, soft dome tweeter, bass reflex front ported, heavy 20kg each) Have you ever had any experience with them? I've love to know your thoughts on them!?

[@stereoreviewx]

I don’t know them in detail but the Japanese very rarely worked hard on their speaker designs mostly they made it look impressive you know at least with a lot of drivers you are going to get a big sound but I’m going to doubt it’s serious hi-fi let’s say that

[@theaudioman4446]

@@stereoreviewx Thanks very much for the reply, really appreciated. I think the Wharfedale LINTON Heritage Speakers could be an interesting listen. They are a new speaker but have the old design aesthetics of a classic circa 1975 three way speaker and pedestrian looks. Yet, using some more modern materials, with the all important (IMO) soft fabric dome tweeter. I think it would make an interesting video to see if they have managed to capture the sound as well as the looks in your opinion. Thanks again, your passion for hifi is infectious! :-)

[@RWL2012]

those Sonys don't have a dome midrange, just a 3" cone midrange with a large dust cap. 1KHz crossover point from the 10" to the 3"...

[@benkeeling1935]

I keep seeing vintage Wharfedale speakers for sale, they always seem low priced compared to other brands. The question is are they any good? I'm looking for a good value speaker to team up with my Sansui 441.

[@stereoreviewx]

Well not sure what Wharfedale is you mean but if it’s Melton Linton I would definitely say no Glendale possibly if it has the blue Tweeter tweeter with the grey cloth over it is totally awful Well not sure what Wharfedale is you mean but if it’s Melton Linton I would definitely say no Glendale possibly if it has the blue Tweeter tweeter with the grey cloth over it is totally awful. It’s tricky to say without knowing which ones you mean but most times if they’re not valued there’s a good reason for that. See if you can find Bowers and Wilkins DM fours is one suggestion K

[@Postamazers]

Nice Video, You are an expert and i need your suggestion about ONKYO D-200 Bookshelves. How do you rate these speakers? Sir please reply

[@michaelbaldwin5953]

I have a Theory about speakers. It's probably not so much about build quality or the name on the front of them.It's how much technical expertise is put into the speaker and cross over R & D.

[@stereoreviewx]

Yes I agree I mean I think they just don’t care Not with every model anyway K

[@jamesstones2634]

What's your opion on Mission 700 leading edge speakers from the 1980s? Got a pair for £50 seem to be fine just need the speaker covers redoing on the edges. Got a black ash pair so look like retro modern style and look even better on stands. Sound wise mids are outstanding, highs not totally clean but they aren't one of the more expensive missions and bass seems fine. Seem to excel with live music. I put them on a Panasonic ux100 from argos because the original speakers are just trash. Original speakers were 4ohm the leading edge are 8 ohm. Will I be damaging the leading edge speakers on it? The hifi itself provided punchy bass rather than rumbling bass but seems to have above average mids which is another reason for finding some better speakers. The full system is rated at 350 watts which sounds a bit ambitious, not too much power for the missions? I'm no audiophile as you can probably tell but I do enjoy listening to music and the punchy bass is a refreshing change at such a low price point. The hifi is still available today in argos if you need to look at the specs. Can you think of any speakers I can get for similar money that are better or have I got a bargain?

[@pavlore3678]

Would really like to hear your thoughts about Royd Audio speakers, for example Coniston r model . Thanks!

[@tonyclark6235]

I have a pair of Squires .... their keepers imo

[@johnnyboy114]

I’ve got Minstrels. Have had them since 1996. I also have vintage Celestion and modern Dali. Minstrels still best speakers I have in the house! Awesome things. Royd knew what he was doing

[@haycrossaudio5474]

Kelvin. I've just finished a complete refurbishment and crossover redesign on the LS2a. The difference is really good. These have become a much much better speaker. Can I post them to you for evaluation before I sell them on 🤔. Is there a safe way of doing this ?

[@stereoreviewx]

Hi Matt well I’m kind of interested unfortunately I sold my pair a month ago I think so I wouldn’t be able to compare I’m going to say keep hold of them though because I don’t want them damaged in transit that will be tragic but thanks for the offer cheers k

[@TheMildperil]

I have had a similar experience re-capping LS2s. They can really sing with better components in the crossover.

[@johnquartieri5141]

Could it be the age of the speakers or do all the ones in this lineup leave a lot to be desired?

[@kuldeep850]

Hello Sir!! I watch your videos and learn lot about vintage gear.. What do you think about Sansui 9090 sound.. and what should I offer in USD? Thanks

[@stereoreviewx]

Well I am not fully up on the price of That particular receiver I’m going to bed sounds pretty dam good I’m a total Sansui fan as you know

[@kuldeep850]

@@stereoreviewx thank you.. and current going very high on price shows they are desired among audiophiles.. and you confirmed "receiver sounds good".. now I will approach the seller.. thank you for your help!!

[@freekverschuren2222]

How about giving alternatives for this lets say Mission M70. (similar pricerange ofcourse).

[@ar_xiv]

makes me think of newer elacs or klipsch speakers that people rave about that I really think sound weird and tweaked as heck and I just wouldn’t want to live with

[@stereoreviewx]

Yes I got Some Elam 6.2 They are detailed but not cohesive It’s all there but it’s not right you know

[@cameronkrause4712]

@@stereoreviewx i know exactly what u mean

[@martinnevey7258]

Eltax mini monitors. ..fabulous speakers for very little money sound 3 times the size ...trust me they are good

[@xsamitt]

i would love to ask.....For music from the 60.70's and 80's that isn't necessarily the best recordings.........From all styles.......what speakers would you suggest?

[@stereoreviewx]

Yes I know what you mean you mean forgiving speakers not sure I have a single answer maybe 70s Celestion Like Ditton 44

[@reinhartfrais2434]

Thank you

[@sinbadMcCaffrey]

I would love to know what you think of Goodmans Magisters. Great videos by the way.

[@stereoreviewx]

Do you mean those big Goodmans three ways with the 12 inch bass driver my guess is they sound pretty good and big not sure I like the tweeter on them very much

[@sinbadMcCaffrey]

@@stereoreviewx They have a 15 inch woofer that goes down to 25 hz, a silk midrange that is a bit shouty but I like the tweeter. I have just had mine sorted out, new caps etc and they are great for double bass etc but not so great for compressed rock music. Dub is also amazing, floor shaking and you can feel it in your chest.

[@Andrewatnanz]

Yeah !

[@drs-Rigo-Reus]

Next episode: impact resistance when tossing those one note samba tossers from the Big Ben.

[@karlmuller1976]

Re the missions. I had a big chat with a manager at richer sounds many years back. Julian richer bought up most British brands like mission and then rebadged a load of crap from China. He has a scam going with the owner of what hifi. They bring out some missions, usually the first production batch has ok crossovers and drivers then after 2 or 3 months they swap for cheaper crappy drivers. The owner of what hifi gives them a 5 star review for a big cut of the profit. Fun fact Julian Richer bought the owner of What hifi a Ferrari. Very sad what happened to our great British hifi brands and that these guys have been scamming the public for decades now.

[@Andersljungberg]

Not everyone wants large basic speakers, there are those who want small good speakers because they think they have cleaner sound. people who might be listening to acoustic music or fine singing music. But you should have the speakers on a tripod

[@billywindsock9597]

I want to buy some of those Missions, just to hear how duff they are.

[@thomothomo1078]

Truth is most speakers are flawed in obvious ways ,Even very good designers seem to be incapable of producing consistently good sound .It is almost as if there is a fair element of luck involved in producing really good ones devoid of annoyances or obvious weak areas.One excellent affordable older speaker is the Tannoy .633.Sealed box,first order crossover 2.5 ways.It sounds really good because it sounds even and coherent and "as one".There is nothing spectacular about it but it simply does not mess things up.

[@stereoreviewx]

thanks for the info K

[@roshimafair7603]

Interesting and what a cute guy!

[@petewalker9965]

please can u check out the triangle's br03

[@johnm3152]

A few years ago, the B&W cm5's ($1,500/pair, bit me right in the pocket book) and totally ignored my ears

[@freepadz6241]

What didnt you like about them?

[@johnm3152]

@@freepadz6241 Didn't care for the CM-5's flat bass & uninspired mids but the highs were cystaline. Was powering them w/an 80 w. Peachtree integrated amp. Honestly, kinda bummed me when I discovered they were made in China. So much for seeking the elusive British sound. Now I run them in series w/my Klipsch Heresys' & it's sublime. Late night listening I run the B&Ws. They sound groovy and my neighbors are happy. An upgrade to a 150 wpc amp helped too!

[@MrJorrma]

MA need 2" dome for mids. Rogers port must go back and all tweeters are center of cabinet (bad). Those plastic cones are so damped to play nice.🇫🇮

[@stereoreviewx]

Yes the Rogers Plastic: is so damped more or less doesn’t do anything

[@VMKisselev]

does Pioneer HRM 100 deliver?

[@audiocajeme7275]

Pioneer HPM 100

[@dcfincher]

WhatHiFi has Monitor Audio R252 listed in their "13 of the best Monitor Audio products of all time" and Mission MX1 as Best stereo speaker up to £150 in Awards 2010. NotHiFi.

[@stereoreviewx]

Well they’re going to be right some of the time but let me just say this. If you have ever phoned up a local paper and asked to put an advert in for your business. They will straightaway say to you if you put in a big expensive advert we will write an article about you which will be nice. Just saying

[@johnsweda2999]

I don't know what's going on with those missions should be alright they make some good speakers and they would have given it 5 Stars if they were that bad as what you say something is not right with them

[@stereoreviewx]

Just to say in my experience there is lots of good mission speakers Cheers from London K

[@frankierodriguez8661]

Those MIssions are perfectly fine, I have a pair ad they sound pretty good with a 40W amp in a room not particularly large and well positioned As I already said, for whatever the reason, most likely an excess of gear to listen to, the reviewer is completely lost.

[@michaelvincent8306]

Kelvin have you any idea why a speaker gets a 5 star review when it is obvious crap I can think of loads of speakers that are highly recommended and are rubbish kef meta etc???

[@stereoreviewx]

well once I wanted to put an advert in a local paper they said take a bigger advert and we will write an article about you !

[@astolatpere11]

Truth.

[@SteveTheFazeman]

Stereo Review X needs to put a microphone closer to him so he can be heard.

[@YaroslavViva]

I can make it so that even my neighbors can hear him. Try some hi-fi equipment ))

[@Rob1972Gem]

When you said that some reviewers don’t give you all the facts . It’s simple why NO more free stuff if you start telling the truth IE: the bad and the good points about products it’s all about the free swag when people review NEW products and it can and does stain the reviews

[@stereoreviewx]

Yeah Robert I mean you’re right the strange thing is when no one else says it you think you must be wrong but you’re not. K

[@randomweirdyoutubechannel8955]

if those missions dont sound very good what the hell does my system sound like 😅

[@ubergeeknz]

By the 2000s Mission (like most audio brands) was just another brand name to slap on rubbish. They did once make some very good speakers and other gear too.

[@1sostatic]

I've had 3x sets of LS3/5A through my hifi-shop - they were designed for "near field" desktop monitoring primarily for the BBC and other broadcast studio-- now they are collector value only - and £900 is prestige pricing driven by collectors market...Any one buying for hifi in the home is going to be real disappointed. They're not recommended as a hifi speaker. They don't have the large wavefront., which provides extended dynamics for the "far field".

[@stereoreviewx]

yeah you have to have them close ;ike 6 feet

[@panblue43]

Sarah Brightman-Deliver me 😉😄

[@chadbarker4023]

Tell it like it is.

[@buttonman1831]

I feel the Elac b6.2 doesn't deliver. It is too neutral for its price point which makes it boring. The best aspect of those speakers is the vocals Imo.

[@colinsmall8170]

A well known magazine reviewer i know, told me a couple of years back,that when manufacturers send in a product for appraisal,and they give a glowing 5⭐ review,which is then going to sell more kit,they are given,or,can buy that item at cost price.

[@joeygonzo]

bad drivers, bad box, bad crossover, bad design or bad combination

[@stereoreviewx]

Yeah the funny thing is of course they don’t get the bad reviews they should I wondered why K

[@MrSouzy]

I honestly wonder how some speakers get a 5 stars review. I still remember my first setup. I had a pair of Tannoy 621 SEs and a Marantz PM66se. The amp was ok actually but the speakers which received 5 stars from a well known publication. No idea why because they weren't very good. No treble and no bass and the midrange was dull as dish water too. I think that much of what you read and hear by some reviews is more marketing than the truth. There is a lot of money in HiFi and the business model it to try and convince you that the latest component is now much better than what you currently have. They bring out a new model which is basically the same as the old one. Kef just did it recently with the LS50 (which are genuinely really good btw). There is now the LS50 Meta. I listened to Kef's description of it on their website. I laughed out loud because there is no way that a little plastic maze behind the speaker changes much. But Kef is selling it like some sort of revolution. I am sure there a people out there now selling their LS50s to buy the ls50 Metas..

[@stereoreviewx]

Yes Tom I’m with you all the way they’re always telling you a great new thing just happened it’s been going on my whole life there is hardly been any progress. Cheers K