Why Squeezer is AWFULLY Designed | Splatoon 3

[@DerpKnightS3]

Yes, I'm aware inkbrush is a mashing weapon too. However, the Inkbrush is not one of the best weapons in the game unlike Squeezer, and there are other problems with the weapon as well as mashing.

[@osiohanu8166]

I know but I was just bringing to light that squeezer isn’t the only one with accessibility problems

[@KittyPower042]

Foil squeezer is really trying to speed run ableism on multiple levels.

[@ShurikanBlade]

Derp is the type of guy to use a semi-colon

[@chaysewalls5180]

@ShurikanBlade is the type of guy to fight the best heavy edit player in the world (they were lagging)

[@ShurikanBlade]

@@chaysewalls5180 AND I STILL WON

[@Naito9874]

​@@chaysewalls5180But should we pass Blade the AUX cords?

[@chaysewalls5180]

@@Naito9874 yes we shall

[@JamUsagi]

This has such an easy potential fix. Just... have the L button be a "Secondary main weapon function" button. Long-range fire is now just done by holding ZR, but if you hold L, you get the painting mode instead. Same with brushes - hold ZR to rapidly fling ink, hold L to roll. And if people don't like it, just make it an option to do it the previous way or the new way.

[@liam_iam]

ya if the burst mode was made fully automatic the weapon would be op, so the only reason it's not op is because of the physical difficulty of playing it. which is stupid

[@MeloniestNeon]

I definitely think we need an accessibility update; My favorite idea being to give all tap-firing mode weapons an automatic firing option for their second modes (and to do the same for H-3 and L-3, they need it). How it would work would be that tapping the button once results in a normal shot, or rolling in the case of Brushes, but double-tapping quickly then holding on the second tap will cause the weapon to fire in its other mode, squeezer using its long shots and brushes flicking automatically. Squeezer would also need a nerf now that its usable for normal human beings and people with Carpal tunnel, I'd say reducing its firing speed by about 10% and/or reducing its range very slightly (about to that of the Splattershot Pro to even the playing field) would be fair. On the topic of accessibility, A full rework to Screen is necessary imo. My conceptual rework being to make it give you a random screen effect out of a selection of kooky and crazy distortions, to both keep it fresh and disorienting even for comp players and to make it still viable with the sound now just muffled instead of fizzy. The distortions could be the usual monochrome, or inverted colors, or having your screen flipped horizontally, or both ink colors made to look near identical to the enemy's color, anything and everything the devs can think of that wouldn't cause motion sickness or hurt people eyes and ears.

[@DerpKnightS3]

I love this idea!

[@spearmintpony7105]

You could just get a turbo controller.

[@MeloniestNeon]

@@spearmintpony7105 Ah yes, I love when games require people to buy offbrand hardware, unsupported by the company who makes the game and the hardware that runs said game, to use a core game mechanic correctly for a singular weapon. This is a 60 dollar school nurse level bandaid fix, not a universal solution to the problem.

[@fgfhjfhjfbhfghf5771]

​@@spearmintpony7105the only quality 3rd party controllers I've found with turbo also don't have motion controls which is honestly a bigger disadvantage then turbo can make up for. Of course if you or anyone else knows of any good options I'm very interested in hearing about it

[@galactica1981]

I tried playing Squeezer but ultimately I decided it just wasn't worth killing my hand.

[@ShurikanBlade]

Erm actually, inkbrush is more physically impossible since it requires more mashing and doesnt have an alternate "paint mode" like squeezer

[@DerpKnightS3]

I KNEW SOMEONE WOULD BRING THAT UP LMAOOOOO

[@ShurikanBlade]

@@DerpKnightS3 of course it would be me

[@justsomewheel9379]

errrrrm ackshully as an inkbrush main myself I can confirm squeezer is more painful than inkbrush. I feel basically nothing from using inkbrush aside from maybe a tired finger after a bunch of games but my finger physically hurts from just a few games of squeezer because of how hard it is to actually aim while mashing at the same time. Also on average I'm pretty sure you need to mash with squeezer more often than inkbrush even despite squeezer's hold-down paint mode because inkbrush has a 'rush in and get it done' playstyle while with squeezer you'll most likely just be mashing trying to out-range the enemy team for basically the entire game. You don't need to mash all that fast for inkbrush while painting

[@carlos41519]

I dont think that mashing weapons should be available for every person as long as there are good alternatives. I still feel like a small need to the main weapon squeezer is probably for the better. Ideally a range nerf or pps

[@rirIN-i1r]

I’m a dynamo main and I have been crying about it for a year now…….

[@splashofazure]

until nintendo actually makes changes, the best i can give for any “mash” weapon is use the base joint of your middle finger on ZR instead of the tip of your index. i find it much more comfortable, faster, and makes my aim more stable

[@HeroGuy3]

If mashing is part of the intended difficulty of the weapon then something like a turbo button would be considered cheating That's not good from an integrity standpoint. Turbo buttons were so commonplace that in metal gear solid ocelot claims (in character, this is a voiced line) that he will be able to tell if you use one Mashing sucks, there's a reason more and more modern games are phasing it out

[@OrdinaryNintendoGamer]

I am a vanilla squeezer main and it is not too bad once you get used to it.

[@Nshimo64]

Personally, I’m against the idea of making squeezer’s semi auto mode full-auto, I do understand that people are unable to play the weapon by the way it’s designed but I really like the idea of a true semi auto shooter and a one that has a high skill celling making it unique from the other shooters, I feel like a different approach they could take would be to give it a lower firing rate on its semi auto mode and maybe make it a 4 shot as well. This is just what I think about it, while I get how many would want squeezer to be playable, I really hope the identity of the weapon remains intact

[@DerpKnightS3]

@@Nshimo64 Reducing its fire rate is also a valid idea too!

[@numberjuaanctr420]

Ink brush has a lot of these same problems, however it’s not called mashing it’s called having a trigger finger, and this type of gameplay design has been in shooters for a very long time and yes just like in real life not everyone has a trigger finger in other words some weapons are suited for specific individuals and I’m ok with that, if more diversity means something isn’t going to come easily to me in some situations and scenarios so be it, when you make a game diverse and inclusive there are still going to be characters,weapons, maps, etc that aren’t going to be accessible to everyone, that’s how life is, you can put a handicap ramp at every location in the world they still won’t be able to stand or walk up the stairs inside and that’s ok.

[@MeloniestNeon]

There is no reason a weapon can't be both physically accessible and still be hard to learn or pick up. Fighting game characters vary wildly in how easy they are to use or learn, but that's not because they require you not to have a disability, or even something as common as getting hand cramps, to play them. Its because they're smartly and precisely designed from a gameplay perspective that causes them to be more difficult to learn than an all-rounder, for the Splatoon example lets look at Splattershot versus Splat Brella. Both are fun weapons that cause no issues to those with disabilities playing them, but one is vastly more difficult to learn and use (even when it actually works more than 10% of the time) than the other.

[@gracecairns9747]

But its design is so uniuqe and its not that hard to mash.

[@DerpKnightS3]

For some less gifted people, it is very difficult to mash. Even players like ProChara cannot physically play the weapon.

[@Chloeprettyoccasionally]

Yeah, for you and I it is easy. We are not the only people who play splatoon 3.

[@gracecairns9747]

@@DerpKnightS3 How would you go about changing firing modes ?

[@DerpKnightS3]

@@gracecairns9747 It's difficult to rework the weapon in that aspect. One idea is making the weapon similar to S-Blast or Stringer where jumping changes it to the long ranged mode, and strafing makes it the painting mode. Another idea could be a double tap mechanic where tapping twice in quick succession changes the mode of fire. The main weapon would also need to be toned back if this were the case.

[@ShurikanBlade]

☝️🤓 dominion

[@quillows]

Rapid tap weapons like Squeezer are particularly bad because if they ever become the center of the meta it could physically force people out of the scene or encourage people to speedrun carpal tunnel.

[@DerpKnightS3]

This is also a good point!

[@ewelsgaminghub3194]

The burst fire is the core of what the Squeezer is. It's a Nozzlenose and that's what sets those weapons apart from other shooters. It's a balancing feature, and one of the reasons why I think they should get their own class eventually. There are other ways to buff those weapons without removing their core features

[@ShurikanBlade]

Wdym your opinion isnt fact? Youre a youtuber

[@BakedCalamari]

I think squeezers design is actually good.

[@DerpKnightS3]

You're entitled to your own opinion!

[@BakedCalamari]

@DerpKnightS3 okay? do you agree or disagree? There's nothing wrong with having conversations about design.

[@DerpKnightS3]

@@BakedCalamari My stance on the situation is covered in the video, and yeah, of course there's nothing wrong with having a civil debate about design :D That's the reason I made the video, because I felt motivated to make it as I felt strongly about the weapon.

[@BakedCalamari]

@DerpKnightS3 Okay, that's perfectly fine 👍

[@Kirbb]

squeezer, yes its second kit is flawed yes the main kit itself is also flawed but with how hard it is to learn, imo it deserves a really good kit, id rather have every weapon have insanely good kits with really hard weapons to have bit better kits then to have every weapons kit be ass (thats just me playing splatoon 1 talking) but as a main weapon, I have a huge amount of respect for those who use it, Not only while your spamming, you have to keep your aim consistant and try not to jitter the controller while your spamming it but its also a stupidly hard weapon to learn, yes there are serious health risks you can get from it, but at the same time, its not just directly a squeezer problem, dualies has it as well especially vds/cds if you want to actually get good at the weapon. so is this just a squeezer problem? no, but is it a problem that the games have in general yeah. sadly, thats just how it be sometimes. and we just gotta hope nintendo finds a way to fix these issues and somehow mitigate the noise screen has

[@DerpKnightS3]

I did cover the difficulty of the weapon as well, yes. It's also annoying to fight as a main weapon which I covered in the beginning. I agree with you, I have respect for squeezer players too but that doesn't make the weapon any less annoying to play as or against.

[@Deca_mara3]

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[@zackfirex1009]

I completely agree with everything you said, Semi-Auto weapons like Squeezer and Inkbrush aren’t designed with general audiences in mind and that IS a bad thing. Although, somewhat selfishly… I love how these weapons play in their current state. Mashing, to my body, is exhilarating- to the point where I’ve nearly 5 starred my Inkbrush. If they ever made these weapons automatic, they wouldn’t be fun to me anymore, because I enjoy the challenge that comes with physically pushing myself so succeed. It makes me feel special, but I understand the greater risk here regardless, and would accept if they made appropriate changes to them in Splatoon 4. Just… don’t take my babies away from me in THIS game, so I can always have THIS type of fun to return to. Please.

[@agentblackbird9435]

Same here Zack. Inkbrush was my first ever main and my only 5 starred weapons in 3 are L3D and the two H3s. Currently working on red squeezer but I might try to do Foil instead because man 220p Zooka sucks + I like wall a lot but Autobomb just feels better to me

[@kizanko]

I only play with the joycons in gyro mode, sometimes I use the pro controller. But it's easy to press the the zr button a lot of seperate times on the lro controller. On the joycons it really is so bad, my fingers hurt very quickly. It's very not joycon friendly :( Nintendo needs to do better

[@s_3rius]

"squeezer is physically impossible to play, a trait no other weapon in the game has!" me when i am also physically unable to play ink brush and octo brush because i cannot mash/it hurts my hands and i know someone who cannot play l3 and h3 because mashing slow like that hurts their hands.

[@fgfhjfhjfbhfghf5771]

I think Nintendo need to just take the L and remove Screen from the game entirely. How this special went through prototyping and playtesting without anyone pointing out how much worse this game is because of it's existence is beyond me

[@quinnlangerak3123]

Squeezer is one of my mains. I disagree with the statement that its badly desighned. However it is a little op and needs a slight firerate nerf

[@anthonymuller300]

you're joking, if anything it needs a buff

[@quinnlangerak3123]

@@anthonymuller300 wdym? It has a fast kill time, long range, perfect accuracy, no jump rng, and good mobility.

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

it may not be accessible but it will always be the most fun weapon for me, hope screen gets buffed so i can flashbang people like ive always wanted to

[@jonatanpineyro]

"physically impossible for some to play, a trait that no other weapon in the entire game has" brush mains: ....

[@Benji-dr4gl]

point no. 1: im not that good at the game (B+) but i learned this weapon to win 80% of my games in like a week. point no. 2: inkbrush.

[@Delta225]

The solution I think would be best for squeezer would be to make a tap shot fire two rounds instead of just one, making it to where you don't have to mash nearly as fast. It would need severe nerfs to compensate obviously.

[@nexusofavalon7929]

you can bind the L button to ZR in the settings. This way, you alternate pressing ZR and L to mash, much easier this way. This works because you cant be swimming when you fire anyway, so you dont need your left index finger on the ZL at that time another option is to bind ZR to Y. Make the camera reset another button like L stick press for example. Then you alternate between using ZR for a few seconds and then Y for a few seconds to fire. Switching between R index and R thumb also saves you finger fatigue

[@Delta225]

@@nexusofavalon7929 If you have to rebind your controller to make a weapon less physically demanding to use it's a poorly designed weapon.

[@_EthanStone]

LMAO THE QUAD FOIL SQUEEZER GAME WE RAN

[@DerpKnightS3]

TYSM FOR THE FOOTAGE 🐐

[@Nokyyyyy]

Joke's on you, I'm bad at it and I play with bad people, so it's balanced

[@SplatDroid]

FACE REVEAL??

[@DerpKnightS3]

INSANE RIGHT?!?!?

[@kytkeyboardsyoureterrific439]

2:46 Oh... nvm imma stick to the undercover brell- *gets splatted*

[@agentblackbird9435]

Find it so interesting how the west has way less Squeezer players than Japan. That’s what I’ve always questioned in particular

[@agentblackbird9435]

Additional comment, I prefer Foil for the autobombs and because my Zooka aim is terrible. But I always worry if when I throw out a screen to help my team push if I’m hurting someone on the other team physically. I will add though, don’t harass players who use screen weapons without malicious intent, blame Nintendo for their horrible game design

[@lukeyorke]

Damn I didn’t k ow a splatoon weapon can harm anyone at all thanks derp for this info I will try to not play the weapon anyway

[@osiohanu8166]

What about the ink brush

[@Pythun12]

I do think squeezer and ink brush should have the possibility to be played with the whole community and screen 100% getting reworked in a way thats healthy is important. Squeezer and brush is ofc not the same as s-blast and bullpoint (cant spell, sorry) they modes inputs are way different than. Feel like a way to give people a way to use them is like a rainbow six siege character bucks ability where he can switch in between different modes. So squeezer can switch in between painting and destroying your enemies. If this doesnt seem good or balanced it’ll be cool to hear other ideas! For screen just give the same effect as the squid from mario kart. No sound and hopefully no eye problems

[@Grenze_Splatoon]

Dude are you forgetting L-3 or the short one for those of us who don’t know the difference?

[@Grenze_Splatoon]

Actual opinion: don’t go too hard on squeezers, it’s not it’s fault and is not deserving of hate itself. The wall and sniping issue is also in other weapons and so is trizooka. Screen is a problem and be a bubble sound effect and not sizzling if you ask me. The tap fire is just a pretty bad design, but you don’t need to use it fast, only take shots you’re confident in.

[@drageoksllechtim2078]

Not sure if I agree with any of this video besides the accessibility points, but even those I’m not sure are that valid or in any way prove that it’s poorly designed. It’s the same silly argument people make against melee that it’s poorly designed because at a top level you need to be really good at mashing, but no one is asking you to do that. But the saddest part is that you completely missed the weapon’s main weakness, its ink efficiency. The reason why squeezer hasn’t been seeing play isn’t because it’s too difficult for top players, which you assumed based on one tweet from dude, but that it barely gets it’s special if you’re playing its role properly since it can’t paint and can’t fight for very long especially after it uses its sub.

[@bxnin]

In my opinion squeezer being mash heavy is fine a long as the wepon isnt the center of the meta, it rewards people who are accruate and willing to sacrifice their hands to be good at the game

[@DerpKnightS3]

I LOVE the skill expression with Squeezer, it's just so sad to see it inaccessible for some people less fortunate than others physically.