Why Steve Jobs HATED Bill Gates

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Steve Jobs vs Bill Gates is one of the most brutal business rivalries the world has seen. Apple vs Microsoft has been an ongoing war, today we delve into this interesting battle that changed the world.
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[@knoxduder]

Cover Gary Kildall !

[@jackharle1251]

Bill Gates hung out on Epstein Island? Did Steve Jobs do that?

[@moe47988]

Gates only won because Apple was too expensive for most people, and it didn't have enough applications. Microsoft made an aggressive push to get developers on board with their platform.

[@MHxD]

I think you were wrong to portray Gates as just a 'nerd' - he was a shrewd, ruthless businessman too.

[@petercofrancesco9812]

Actually both of them were, but when you become rich and successful as they did people tend to view the past with rose tinted glasses. Most of Microsoft products were purchased from competitors.

[@_Clivey]

@@petercofrancesco9812 Apples innovation boils down to they stole virtually everything: Mouse - Stolen, GUI - Stolen, ipod - stolen, iphone- stolen, ipad - stolen. Is it better to buy or to steal?

[@petercofrancesco9812]

There has been a long standing belief that foundation for Microsoft (MS Dos) was stolen. So what does it mean? It's a dirty game getting to the top. And yes it's true nice guys finish last.@@_Clivey

[@devaraft]

​@@_Cliveyoh definitely steal. Apple steal ideas and most of the time have the "apple spin" on it while Microsoft product is usually a bunch of good products forced to work together

[@betochiwas]

@@AquaFyrre I support your message, but the light bulb had diferent companies working in the creation of a useful bulb, if not Edison another company/scientist would have inveted it, and I dare to say that even around the same time.

[@MM-dw4ew]

To this day, my favourite Bill-Steve moment was at D5 in 2007, where Steve ended the interview describing their relationship with this quote: "You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead."

[@nlmnyc]

Beatles Lyric. From the song “Two of Us” on the Let it Be album.

[@damienlobb85]

He knew he was unwell at this point too.

[@jameshardensfatsuit5726]

as someone who's really into tech, I appreciate how you explained this from a tech-first perspective rather than solely business. you did a great job man

[@galvanizedgnome]

Jobs knew of Gates ties to Epstein and the development of covid19

[@bes03c]

Mr. Giant is taking on more and more ambitious videos. I am impressed.

[@gunproofgrandad]

Always found it funny how Microsoft has a recycle bin whereas apply has a trash can

[@steveavecillas1114]

Steve stole from the Xerox operation system technology Bill stole from steve and steve stole from Xerox Xerox created the operation system gui. in 1973 and had the best 50 computer scientists working for them Steve jobs said , when he saw Xerox gui. operation system, it blow his mind and said he knew every computer in the world will have gui. Operation system

[@stacksparrow]

It's funny but I have to say that the metaphor of a recycle bin doesn't really make sense. You don't recycle the files, they just get deleted.

[@alecogden12345]

@@stacksparrow Isn't the space they took up recycled though?

[@stacksparrow]

@@alecogden12345 isn't that like saying when you recycle a jug of milk you're not recycling the container but you're actually recycling the space in your fridge? It's just not how people usually use that word.

[@gunproofgrandad]

@@alecogden12345 it’s exactly that, mate

The rivalry served them both and their respective corporations extremely well.

[@SamLyn]

Amazing rivalry. They reshaped the planet. I wonder if they would have reached such heights without one another

[@mr.vargas5648]

Considering they stole each others ideas probably not.

[@knivestv0]

Competition and rivalry can yield enhanced outcomes, underscoring a potential shortcoming of participation rewards. The concept of granting awards merely for attendance often inhibits genuine progress, as it doesn't necessarily promote a drive for excellence or improvement. I feel fortunate to have observed and reaped the benefits of this competition.

[@gordonhill8164]

As a reasonably tech savvy person who uses Windows and Linux I don't know anyone who uses Apple. Gates shaped the future even if we don't like it.

[@AstrosElectronicsLab]

Probably not. They each influenced each other.

[@moe47988]

@@knivestv0 Bill Gates was raised in a very competitive household, where his parents kept creating little contests for their children. That's what made him so viciously competitive.

[@arthurmorgan332]

I'm glad that Bill Gates and Windows existed alongside Mac. Now way I would've been able to afford a Mac in my younger days. Thanks to Bill and Windows, I'm a programmer today,

[@cardinalRG]

I share your sentiment. For me, the road forked early on when Apple committed to remain proprietary in everything. I sensed that was not the more practical path, and it certainly chafed with my own sensibilities.

[@awesomereviews1561]

So Steve Jobs is broke and is pretty much homeless but then he can afford to fly to India and live there for 7 months… That doesn’t add up…

[@pm-5565]

Believing anything Jobs said is a dangerous game, the man was an robot exclusively designed for marketing purposes... a lot of the stories he has told have been debunked by people that used to be close to him and he was quite known for embellishing them, the dude had a massive ego to the point that this "nerd war" only existed because he wanted it to Gates wouldn't have even thought of attacking him for being his competitor but I guess he was petty enough to retaliate or he saw the potential benefit of doing so; it was all just another marketing stunt by Jobs and you can consider him a genius for his marketing prouesse but in any other regard he brought next to nothing to the table (besides very poor work conditions). He became a billionaire by being a farce and he is remembered as a legend for being an even bigger farce. Dude was a genuine a**hole with a god complex to say the least and a top tier charlatan... but Gates is by no means a saint either.

[@tcbobb1613]

I thought Jobs worked at At Atari. I google it, it says it he got hired in 1974 at Atari. That is how he was able to afford to go in India

[@rorz999]

Although I'm sure Jobs was a pathological liar, it actually is possible to survive in India with little to no money, and was probably even easier back then. I know somebody who did it for a year (he bought a one-way ticket) and if you're not too fussed about where you lay your head at night, you can get by even just working on a casual basis

[@JackOLanter]

Rich people love to paint themselves as poor.

[@rext4607]

@@rorz999 mate you still need money to get that one way ticket. A good bit in fact.

[@ImpreccablePony]

Hate leads to ass cancer, everybody. Be positive.

[@kpk331]

Is this first hand information?

[@ImpreccablePony]

@@kpk331 I am a certified assologist, this is all very true.

[@kpk331]

@@ImpreccablePony 😀😀😀😀😀

[@ReubenAStern]

I love it when a friend come into my life and pushes it in a new and better direction. So far I've only had one friend that did that. To know Wozniac was that friend for Job makes me like him even more.

[@DomTomato]

Another entertaining piece Jimmy Gigante

[@alasad3136]

It was Jobs vs Gates, now it's Elon vs Zuckerberg

[@caidur]

Elon and Zuck are competing to be the worst Ceo

[@martingazdag7570]

Steve vs Bill was a race for technology and advancements. Elon vs Suck is a race for mass control and spreading shit

[@NYK01]

The awful sequel nobody wanted

[@bryan8112]

Don't do that.

[@Dr-Vegapunk]

​@@caidurand the Sad thing is They are both winning

[@jbk19xx57]

Honestly, Good One. I remember, not long after Steve Jobs passed, CNN made a small segment documenting his life and NONE of what you’ve covered was mentioned and I took that at face value, but after watching your video, I have felt rather enlightened.

[@Ozymandias1]

The NExT computers weren't so much a failure, they were never marketed to the masses, instead they were made for use in companies and universities. The price tag reflected that. They found plently of customers in their niche, famously the World Wide Web began on a NExT Cube.

[@CHN-yh3uv]

NEXT was also not a failure. It started out rough but they ended up becoming profitable and the tech they designed there became the foundation of OSX once apple bought them

[@Teluric2]

How much next computers was used in the 90s? Name 5 programs running on next. Oh come on nothing made by saint jobs couldnt have been a failure for you dont you?

[@coldacre]

you're missing the entire point. NEXT made the best computers of the early 90's... they were just expensive and never available for the consumer market. but someone at Apple was smart, brought back Jobs, used the NEXT system as their business model, invented the iMac in 1998... and here we are! we dont need to name 5 programs running on NEXT.... just look at the GUI..... its 1991 > 2024. the same GUI we use today. NEXT and Jobs literally saved Apple. 3 years later the iPod was designed. BOOM

[@HUKIT.]

Gates kinda looked like Dahmer when he was young

[@3p1Kf41L]

really makes you think

[@cosmosaic8117]

And now he wants to depopulate the planet…

[@reece3163]

Been binging the older videos today and this pops up. Great timing!

[@banks3388]

Steve Jobs hating Microsoft for originality is like the pot calling the kettle black, the man never invented anything. He stole preexisting technology from engineers and then had a team of designers develop a marketable product. PC (Steve Wozniak), mouse operated UI (Xerox), Apple OS/IOS (Unix/Solaris/GNU/BSD/Mach) touch gestures (Fingerworks)... even the Macintosh was technically overshadowed by the Apple IIGS which is why Steve deliberately sabotaged his own best friend and company just to get his under-powered/black & white junk on the front floor of the marketing department.

[@emne5750]

The inovation wasn't in the tech itself but the ingenuity to combine design with tech and make it more accessible to people. He didn't invent all the systems required for tech but his design principles made tech more mainstream and practical for the commons. And everyone ended up copying some of his principles for that.

[@steveavecillas1114]

You are right, steve said he stole Xerox gui. Operation system for his Lisa apple computer ..

[@bruxi78230]

@@steveavecillas1114 ------- That is a totally moronic take. He didn't steal anything from Xerox. Xerox HQ in New York made a deal with Steve for pre-IPO stock in Apple. Xerox had an option to get up to 100k shares of pre-ipo in Apple stock at $10 a share. It turned out to be a fabulous deal for Xerox and they made around 16 times their initial investment in profits as they subsequently sold the stock. He requested a 2 day look at the projects going on in Palo Alto by Xerox and didn't use similar code and changed the mouse in big ways and interface in big ways. The ingenious way the GUI was implemented was very different from Xerox. You are believing a lie propagated by Microsoft, Apple paid for a look and Microsoft stole the ideas.

[@okcboomer87]

He had the worst of so many qualities. He was the drug user who wasn't chill. He was the tech guy who couldn't code. He was an asshole boss and an absent father. The dude was a cult leader. It sucks he got to reap the rewards of the success and not the Woz.

[@bruxi78230]

@@okcboomer87 ----- What are you talking about, Woz is a billionaire? Sounds like rewards to me.

[@Mr35000000]

Amazing Vid, great work!

[@denim_ak]

Congrats on 300k

[@ThePussukka]

loving ur vids

[@chrischadwick1]

Such a great watch! Let's send this to the algorithm 🔥

[@trevkizu1425]

Thanks Brother for sharing this video

[@fawkewe]

I love how Gates didnt even deny he stole it. He literally just said "yeah so like.. actually what are you doing do about it?" even though Apple was a more powerful company at the time.

[@steveavecillas1114]

Steve stole the Xerox Pac operation sytem technology.... So bill stole from steve and steve stole from Xerox .. If it was not for Xerox operations system, We will still be using some kind of ms DOS operation system So. Xerox created the first gui. operation system in early 1973 and they have the best 50 computer scientists work with them

[@steveavecillas1114]

Steve stole from the Xerox operation system technology Bill stole from steve and steve stole from Xerox Xerox created the operation system gui. in 1973 and had the best 50 computer scientists working for them Steve jobs said , when he saw Xerox gui. operation system, it blow his mind and said he knew every computer in the world will have gui. Operation system

[@giornikitop5373]

why deny it, when they both stole it and they both knew it. it was and still is the tech world. everyone was and is stealing everything they can, only difference is now is a lot harder to blatantly steal something, because everything down to the screws is patented.

[@Dont_Gnaw_on_the_Kitty]

Gates stole the look of windows from Xerox AND the multi tasking idea from Digital Research DOS.

[@Teluric2]

​@@Applecompuserstill a copy.

[@MrFlugi]

15:32 MS had phones with windows at that time, it was existing and used. Also, there were the Symbian devices. What was copied from the iPhone is the capacitive screen instead of the resistive one. I was using a full touch screen phone at the time the iPhone was not existing, the Sony-Ericsson P910i had detachable physical keyboard. HTC was manufacturing windows mobile 5.0 devices prior to iPhone. They indeed redesign it to have MS phones later, but the lineup of Windows mobile 5.0 devices were quite usable and compelling to nerds like me. What really happened is that the iPhone turned the whole class of devices from nerdy to mainstream, but it was not technical change in the first place but perceptional.

[@neanda]

i had a few different Windows CE, PocketPC and Mobile devices back in the early 00s, like iPAQ, XDA's etc. and i also had a Treo 600 etc., i wanted to like the concept, it's why i kept upgrading, but many things made them all just frustrating to use. like, using the stylus to click on the scroll bar on the right, it was the general feeling of it being a desktop OS making sacrifices to being a small screen. the iphone was revolutionary by being a new type of computing device from the start. windows tried many times to create a mobile computer, like a PDA/phone, or a tablet (i also had a laptop where the screen swivelled so that it could be used as a touch screen but, again, it was just windows where i use a stylus. it wasn't an iPad. it wasn't perceptional, it was a technical leap due to the interface (that is both the hardware - capacitive touch - and the software - scrolling without a scroll bar, pinch to zoom, hit targets of 44px for your finger, etc.) that changed the game. i spent years trying out many different mobile computing devices, but none of them made sense, until the iPhone, and then android and windows phone both changed their approach. it was technical, and that's why iOS is a separate OS from macOS (it's not a hobbled version like CE was)

[@MrFlugi]

@@neanda the P910 had a wheel, like the mouse wheel, that was VERY cool, you never wanted to scroll by grabbing tiny widgets. I have used the resistive screens with fingernails, and I had no issue with that whatsoever. It seems for me that you are talking about browser experience, that is left out for me as I had no mobile internet in that era, it was way too expensive. I did have mobile internet a few years later when I was working on a programming project on some of the Windows Mobile 5.0 devices, we had bonus internet as the client was the Telekom company. I was using that internet for email checking and writing, and minimal googling as the internet was "gratis" and when my mate was downloading hundreds of megs of SDK installers for the work itself, they wanted him to pay for that, so after that incident we did not really used browsers on the device. I have read books, played games and used system tools to support the development, and all of those were nice. You are right about one thing, this was nerdy. Scrolling with thumb is mainstream, so you could say it was both technological and marketing, but my feeling about the iPhone was mostly a relief that I did not have to hide my smartphone on the tram. I ended up never using iPhone or any Apple product, since as a Linux user I like extendable and open systems, so the first thumb scrolling device I was using was years later an Android, I did use resistive screen for these additional years, I was never bothered with that. But also, when everyone else was using Windows 95, I played around with Caldera OpenDOS and went to Redhat Linux from there, and kept Windows for home use, like gaming. So I think our priorities are quite different.

[@dmora2309]

At the time I used PocketPC and PalmOS, I was amazed with those devices, but when I used the iPhone (iPod touch actually) it was the same idea just well executed, I mean in comparison PocketPC was a piece of garbage, no doubt why it vanished after the iPhone.

[@frederickdelius1106]

Good stuff jimmey boy

[@_ginock_]

Thank you for including Pirates of Silicon Valley footage, it is such an overlooked yet wonderful film

[@mradford10]

Thanks for making the video, but there were a lot of errors in it, some omissions and some events that were ok, but in the incorrect order in the timeline. I don’t think they were intentional, there’s just a lot of history to condense into a short video. I lived and worked through all of this history so have some deeper and more day by day recollections. There’s too many points to raise in a KZbin comment - but perhaps one worth mentioning was that when Microsoft “invested” money into Apple, it also came with a shared patent agreement. Microsoft were copying Apple incredulously, willfully and deliberately in the late 1990s. Apple had been fighting Microsoft in the courts but it was a losing battle against Microsoft’s dominance and bottomless finances. So Apple needed the money, Microsoft needed Apples patents. More importantly Microsoft needed to be seen to bring back Microsoft Office to the Mac (Excel was the first Microsoft product, and it was first released on the Mac) and Apple needed to offer that product to their customers. So the 1997 deal was more of a win, win for both parties, just for entirely different reasons. Another note would be that Microsoft Windows while dominant in the market, was a terrible, brittle OS that sat on top of MS DOS, however it was cheap, it was mostly compatible with anything and it thrived despite its shortcomings due to a lack of a viable competitor. Fast forward to today and Apple is worth US$2.73T, Microsoft is US$2.36T and the newcomer Google is US$1.65T. The market has matured and has far more options today. Interestingly - and finally - it was a NeXT Computer that was used by Tim Berners-Lee at CERN and became the world's first web server.

[@daysandwords]

LOL I love not reading past the first 10 words of these comments. Make your own video genius.

[@zacmontgomery1]

@@daysandwords😂

[@mradford10]

@@daysandwords Interesting. KZbin creators make content and can either turn off comments or open their work for feedback. It’s kinda how the platform works. Next time, you can try using your own genius to contribute to constructive feedback (it’s actually ok to have different ideas and perspectives) or continue to throw cheap jibes. If you’ve made it this far - congratulations for making it past your 10 word limit!

[@skilletpan5674]

Yes he seemed to confuse apple ][ and Macintosh.

[@TWHowl]

The kind of people who seek enlightenment are those who NEED peace desperately. You get the vision, but then you must rely on others, who’ve inevitably put none of that same effort in, and it can be maddening. I can relate to Steve. Bill could honestly use some acid.

[@cspanos74]

I enjoyed some of this video, which is probably an OK video for somebody that doesn’t know the history of these two companies, but there are so many details wrong that it actually distorts things to the point that I could not suggest this video to anybody. Even at the beginning, where you keep on blurring the Lisa and the Mac, it is the Lisa that was a flop while the Mac was a huge success to begin with (and allowed John Scully to push Steve Jobs out of the company - it was not really a resignation). These are the kind of details you need to get right from the beginning.

[@RetroPotato]

Yeah. Steve was pushed out from Apple after his rather immature handling of the two teams (lisa and mac) - and his management style wasn’t a nice one.

[@ralphgilbert23]

Thanks, great podcast.

[@grimmylow9535]

Just watched 3 of your videos not knowing it was you until I went to the channel and saw the videos I just watched. You deserve a sub I wish content was longer but that’s what I like not others. I’m going to sub to you

[@rtothec1234]

Steve Jobs was curmudgeon guy. Who didn’t he hate? Guy couldn’t even be bothered to love his own flesh and blood daughter. Nor could he be bothered to be an honest and decent human being to his best friend, at the time, Steve Wozniak. Who did he like is the real question.

[@jackharle1251]

Bill Gates went to Epstein Island. Steve Jobs did not. Your response?

[@rtothec1234]

@@jackharle1251 guess Bill loved kids including other peoples’ kids more than Steve loved his own kid. 😅

[@manephewlenny6401]

What a great little documentary.

[@olliestudio45]

nice video 👏 and you made me laugh a number of times too Mr JTG

[@ShapingBeliefs]

Loving all your content brother

[@TheAzraf123]

from parkour to this document niche. Well done you!

[@ahmetmutlu348]

You forgot to mention epsteins part in billgates history anyway 😅

[@DPSFSU]

Everyday people: "I need an Apple screwdriver!". People with tool knowledge: "you mean a T5 bit?"

[@eadweard.]

They're not compatible.

[@thejpkotor]

@@eadweard.I see you’ve never cut up or made your own tools before

[@eadweard.]

@@thejpkotor Tbf no one mentioned making one's own.

[@Syclone0044]

It’s not a T5, that’s a standard Torx 6 point. The Apple “pentalobe” is 5 points. Star-shaped.

[@trevordavidjones]

This video gives a pretty good overview of the saga of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates. To know the full story, I highly recommend reading "Steve Jobs" by Walter Isaacson

[@theghostfacekza4549]

I had a Zune HD and it still works great to this day, its literally bulletproof!

[@garyproffitt5941]

He is the Boss and very intelligent Bill Gates III.

[@tonystorcke]

This isnt really fair to Steve Jobs. XEROX had the technilogy but did not believe in it, so they licensed it to Apple. Bill Gates cipied from Apple , not Xerox. Bill Gates never got a license from Xerox.

[@Teluric2]

No. The idea was created by xerox period . There s nothing you can do to defend jobs. He was an asshole he fired many people sued small companies just for pride. He behaved like shit with employess.

[@Threadbow]

Exactly

[@MyPhobo]

I like how back in the day they had these dorks draped over their computers like some fucked up glamour shots session.

[@jorgejorge8878]

Nice video

[@greg6500]

Both of them seriously creep me out

[@nothingelse1520]

Not many people bought Zunes, but those who did loved them. I guess the UI was absolutely amazing.

[@ildpusio7134]

Yoo jimmythegiant you should dive into bouldering/climbing culture

[@Verbalaesthet]

I think if you don't hate Bill Gates you just don't know enough about him.

[@daysandwords]

That's probably the same with anyone.

[@TonyHulk]

If you don't love him you don't know enough about him either

[@_Clivey]

And if you hate Bill Gates, it just means no matter what people say about him, you already have pre-judged him and therefore will always hate him, normally based upon fake information spread by Gates haters

[@timothygibney159]

Bill Gates was pretty ruthless and his products were second rate. He won by playing chess with his competitors playing checkers

[@stpworld]

i have a vhs of the first month john scully took over he was kind of angry saying we had to get rid of problem people

[@sozzysucks]

damn this mini doc was good. i got goosebumps ngl. rip jobs

[@stefanegger]

LOVE that the ad skip on 8:45 is the most viewed part according to the graph hahaha yeah, f* those ads

[@blackrevenue8421]

Hate is such a strong word

[@danh5637]

You left so much detail out as to make the biographies of both basically bearing no resemblance to reality.

[@alg003]

Steve wanted control, he was as controlling in his personal life as he was in his position. That control he wanted can be seen today by Apple's ecosystem, the lack of repairability, and the entire industry standards they now create as well as the monopoly they are now today.

[@giornikitop5373]

heard that lots of times, but in the end it doesn't matter what any of them was. companies only care about profit. whatever brings them the most profit, will be their pathway. everything else is just semantics.

[@uranusneptun5239]

And that's why I always hated Apple products. They are just like trend fashion. Stylish but complete crap.

[@K7TZ]

Elon musk also hated bill gates... i wonder why?

[@greenwendal5056]

They are both Skeksis.

[@Jamaicafunk]

Great vid...But, I prefer the Fastbender Steve to the Kutcher Steve,

[@peterwindle4453]

This video is good, however, I was a little confused at the Mention of the Apple II, then the Mac, then the Lisa... I think it would have made sense to mention these in chronological order. It would have also been worth mentioning that Word and Excel was created for the Mac before the Windows versions.

[@777bogey]

I still have my zune. Loved that thing.

[@ronoc9397]

Please someone tell me whats the music that plays during the ad reads!??

[@DarkCobra88]

I like the business rivalry here, sure it wasn't all fun and games and they was competing on more than just who is better but the end result was two companies bettering the world and respect for one another's efforts. The world now has some amazing tech and no matter how much you love/hate either of these two companies, odds are they are responsible for that tech, even if its unrelated.

[@mdturnerinoz]

I was in San Jose at the Hayes Mansion celebrating a visit back to my home of almost 30 years when news came that night that Jobs had died. We didn't go out for dinner as planned; we stayed in with room service. We didn't of course, go. To the Apple Main Store in Cupertino the next day as the entire Apple Campus was in mourning.

[@gerv55]

Jobs wasn't 'forced' to do a press conference, that was more to do with him becoming ceo and talk about how he intended to try and turn the company around rather than anything to do with microsoft.

[@KohChinTong]

There was an untold sum legal settlement between Apple and Microsoft in 1997.

[@clarkisaac6372]

This would explain why Steve Jobs died so quickly, too much hate and anger.

[@Teluric2]

Yes. Many develop cancer because hate and anger.

[@pcprinciple3774]

Gates gave him a trial vaccine

[@thedefekters]

Luv dat

[@andywarwhol]

It's interesting how people, despite having access to a wealth of information and living witnesses, still miss the essence and foundation of certain events.

[@resonancetides7196]

Bill Gates > Steve Jobs

[@eadweard.]

Unpopular opinions are the only ones worth having.

[@simplicityd8703]

Wow you know nothing about Bill Gates do you?

[@rickyglaser]

banger title

[@imranetic]

Next wasn’t a total failure. The OS that Jobs helped develop, nextstep, was ahead of its time and became the reason why Apple bought out Next and brought Jobs back, in order to use the OS which became the foundation of Mac OS

[@imaXkillXya]

Bill Gates was an Island Boy

[@davidhaslett9777]

I think that Bill Gates had a prototype Macintosh not a Lisa.

[@zozetamad3022]

It feels like Elon Musk vs. Jeff Bezos is a re-run of this.

[@shannonpincombe8485]

The first time I used a 'windows style' inface was on the original Apple l block at my PS in 1984ish. I found it super easy to use and wanted spend more and more time in the 'Computer Lab' using this system. To me it worked smoothly. Years later now, HS time, and we're using Microsoft PCs in class. "This windows format was invented by Bill Gates". My teacher says. More than two other kids including me said "Nah, we've used this on an Apple l." Our teacher didn't know any better and told us we were wrong. We got together at one kids house as his dad used a newer Apple system but had kept his old Apple l block. As soon as I saw it I smiled from ear to ear. Loved that machine. I may be getting the model number wrong but we know what I mean. Great system.

[@clementkong8133]

@1:36 this is a part of the story I don’t get. He was the underprivileged one of the two, and was looking like he would end up homeless, but he’s able have enough money to fly him & himself to India

[@alk3myst]

The Apple ][ changed my life. I discovered them in my elementary school's computer lab and then would just skip my classes. The following year my dad surprised my brother and I with an Apple //e that was fully loaded even had a non-acoustic coupler type modem.

[@he162a]

Not one mention of Gary Kildall, sweet baby Jesus.

[@bdogthegreat1]

I thought xerox had the gui idea developed but blew it because they didn’t see the value in it.

[@cartossin]

Can I get a citation of where Steve Jobs pushed pentalobe screws?

[@colinst]

No more parkour videos? Content is still good though.

[@ThePussukka]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKLTd36smNagfrc he made a video about it on his 2nd channel

[@Ithaca-vv5dy]

Chillllllll

[@FSAPOJake]

I think you mixed up the Apple II and the Macintosh in this video.

[@_Ciosu..]

Good video but still hate Apple for overcharging stuff 😂

[@THNKKY]

Imagine how different things would be if gates had died in 2011.

[@GenericInternetter]

13:35 fun fact: the monopoly man doesn't have a monocle.

[@colinschmitz8297]

"You're tearing me apart Lisa!"

[@megatronskneecap]

He didn't "hate" Bill Gates. He got into a feud with him because both Steve and Bill went to a Xerox convention that showed off the first ever dGUI or desktop graphical user interface. Apple was basically late to the game and Microsoft did it first in an extremely early version of Windows making them rivals once Bill was aware that he managed to get Steve wound up over it. They were still good friends and did a D8 convention interview in 2010 a few months before Steve's eventual death.

[@dortmall]

windows came out 2 years after Macintosh.

[@arricammarques1955]

Jobs pinched Mac OS from Xerox. The adverts were legendary and dominated market share.

[@edwarddodge7937]

What got under Jobs’ skin was that Apple licensed Xerox interface and improved in it. Windows didn’t begin to catch up until Windows 95. Also Microsoft didn’t pay licensing fees and their initial Windows looked a lot more like what Xerox was doing.

[@bruxi78230]

@@arricammarques1955 ----- You got it all wrong, you're repeating the Gates BS line. Jobs contacted the CEO of Xerox to get permission to visit PARC of Xerox for 2 days. Jobs in exchange offered 100,000 shares of pre-IPO Apple stock for 1 million dollars, which was a huge bargain. Xerox ended up making about 10 times their investment in the years after Apple IPO'd. Apple didn't have access to the code or any inside secrets of the Xerox system. They just wandered around PARC for 2 days to get some ideas. Apple's implementation was totally different. For example Apple did a 1 button mouse, while Xerox had 3 buttons. They were also targeted differently. Xerox aimed at the enterprise market and had a very expensive price. Apple aimed at the consumer market.

[@TwoBs]

Did you even watch the video? He goes over that exact information lol. In terms of the title, it’s KZbin, buddy. That’s how the game works, but he does set the record straight between their so-called rivalry because as far as the general public is concerned, many still believe he actually did hate him (as that’s what the media has reported all throughout the years … hell even the movies tries to portray it that way). This video simply takes that common view by using a title that a lot of people thinks is true and then corrects it. Some may consider it clickbait (despite the information talked about matching the title, so not really clickbait in that manner), but it’s a pretty common practice to catch viewers and get their attention.

[@normbograham]

Bill Gates took your work, and profited from it, almost like stealing. Bill Gates had very little charisma. Steve Jobs, directed his own work, in his own direction, and was quite the salesman. But, at the end of the day, Steve Jobs's death, was sooner then it should, because, he tried to treat it without traditional methods. And I worked in a computer lab, and helped people with their problems. 95% of my time, was helping people with their PC problems, and only 5% was helping them with the Mac. The Mac's just had less issues.

[@chilli-iceolive-abode2447]

I heard that when Bill went to visit Steve when he was on his deathbed he dropped the Fortnite L dance on him with some sauce 😭

[@Ryder........]

You should do a vid on red bull rampage

[@LiveFreeOrDie2A]

Is a 5-point Torx bit a “special Apple screwdriver”?

[@Tudify]

*torx security And also it has rounded edges??

[@georgeh6856]

Bill Gates definitely did not want "everything to work together". Instead, he wanted MS to dominate everything. Lotus vs. Office? Withhold the APIs for Win 95 until launch date so Office was there at launch. Netscape? Buy and bundle IE with every copy of Windows. Java and Javascript? Create ActiveX so websites would only work with Windows. Microsoft did not get in trouble for antitrust violations because Windows was so successful. Rather, they got in trouble because of all their shady shit, including forcing OEMs to pay a Windows license fee for every PC sold, whether it had Windows installed on it or not.

[@user-otzlixr]

I think that argument has not aged well. Especially when you look at Apple now. The Netscape argument never added up. If people were too stupid to install the browser they wanted , then they had no business being around electronics.

[@georgeh6856]

@@user-otzlixr Not true. I made this argument one month ago. So it did not age at all. Just because Apple, or Google, or any other company may be monopolistic now does not excuse Microsoft being monopolistic in the past. It is flawed logic to use "whataboutisms". You clearly have not talked to many people who use electronics. They do not know how computers work. They do not know how software works. They just turn it on and expect it to do what they need it to do. That does not mean they should not have access to electronics. It just means that a company like Microsoft could more easily use their monopolistic position to their advantage. It was hard to compete with a product like IE when it came pre-installed and was set as the default browser. Microsoft's ActiveX only further cemented their monopoly to include IE too. But don't take my word for it. Read the Department of Justice's lawsuit against Microsoft at the time.

[@kuniver8proof]

Jimmy really can't help giving all kind of jobs to Jobs everytime

[@technicallyme]

Steve Job's biography made it seem like his parents saved his whole life for him to go to college and he made the choice to drop out

[@hewhohasnoidentity4377]

His biological parents wanted to give Steve to a couple with a college education, but the couple that adopted him didn't. They promised the biological parents they would save the money for him to go. He found college to be stupid because he wanted to take the classes he was interested in, not just what was required for a degree. So he dropped out of college with an agreement he could stay on campus with his friends and drop in on whatever classes he chose.

[@user-bs1qk2ku7b]

Reed College, not University.

[@itsJoshWashington]

The reason I viewed Steve Jobs as a PoS was legitimately due to his worse than corporatist mindset. You had Gates, and specifically Windows, that locked down their software, and did monopolistic practices in the software industry -- But then you had Jobs & Apple...that took "Monopolistic ideals" to another level. Job's tried to make a computer singularized by "proprietary use", determining that you were required to obtain "Apple" branded everything in order to do anything beyond owning the machine. This trend continued post Job's departure, yet after Gates left, the minimalistic monopolistic practices, which were still monopolistic, in Microsoft started to fade. Meanwhile, Apple, today, owns the worlds most locked down and designated ecosystem imaginable -- to where even in Smart Homes, "Matter" had to be formed so consumers weren't shafted for owning an Apple device. I also disliked Steve Jobs because he lied, cheated, and always acted pretentious. We can pretend Steve came from a "Small home", but that's not true. He was well off, especially compared to many around this period of time. Pretending Job's family was "Not wealthy" is like saying that a millionaire is "not wealthy" in the 1980's. They were well-off and were certainly more viably wealthy than 90% of the American families that existed. They were in the 10% of wealth. Much like Gates, they came from better-off families, but the difference is what they did with each set of income. Gates utilized the income to better his corporation (And later, himself and/or "charity" lmao, quotes intended). And Job's utilized that income to...Nothing. Jobs actually didn't give his kids any inheritance, despite receiving massive inheritance (and aid) from his parents. Job's was pretentious. Stand-offish. Jobs didn't care about anyone but himself. He was selfish, and he was indefinitely a rotten Human. He proclaimed to be "the best" without actually doing much on his own. He wasn't a programmer, or an engineer. He wasn't a designer or creator. He was a guy with money, who told people to do something. Then took their ideas after they creatively made something. His most influential mark was the "i" on branding, which was stolen from a marketing team who proclaimed the 'i' was like shouting. The problem I have with the portrayal of Steve Jobs in most media climates is that it removed all the rotten things he did through his life. He wasn't a genius. He was a rich boy who took other peoples ideas, stole it for himself, and pretended that he 'created it first" often. This trend continued through most of Apple's existence, and it even became a meme for years that Apple patented trolled companies through it's existence, as they did this over and over again. Nevermind Apple & Mac, the primary problem with Job's was always his rotten sense of idealism. I wouldn't call him a Hippie when most of what he existed for, in his entire corporate mindset, was to obtain money. He was a neoliberal. He didn't really care about the technology, he cared about how much money he could make by using the technology in a marketed way. He didn't care about being "otherworldly", he cared about how much money he could make. And that's, unironically, also why I've always hated Musk. Putting on masks to fool stupid consumers by using "tech", whilst in turn your entire reasoning isn't for the technology, it's for the money, isn't ingenious. It's simply another salesmen at the door of a house, proclaiming that the vacuum can even clean your toilet, while the vacuum is the same one branded on the shelf for 1/4 the cost.

[@itsJoshWashington]

And we can pretend that Job's wasn't rich. His parents were wealthy lol. They weren't "The wealthiest" but they certainly had enough money by the time Jobs was 20 to actually fund his project, aka Apple. He wasn't concerned with succeeding because he was given free rides and manipulated people into giving him money, constantly. Part of why he even became successful had nothing to do with his brilliance. It had to do with other peoples brilliance, and his ability to steal the show. But hey, I only have read about this differently in the past 30 years, and watched this change over time. Meanwhile, people disregard all "other" interviews shunning his practices and how he operated because "He was the face & name". Meanwhile, we have Musk doing the same show. Tbf, I hope people see through it one day. But hey, I'm here still advocating for Linus Torvalds to be more recognized; Linus has done more for the tech industry than anyone imaginable by just developing Linux.

[@vektor451]

3:08 MS-DOS ran on the PET and Apple II??

[@sjhaji]

Enough is enough Sir

[@Thoxxxik]

Is it just me or did you mix up something in the chronological order here? Looks like you put the launch of the Mac before the Lisa that ended up being a stillbirth and actually the stepping stone for the Mac. I suspect you meant the Apple 2 that was the killer product that pumped Apple full of cash.

[@jeanjasinczuk7543]

The video speaks about the first Apple product being the Apple 2 and mix it with Macintosh. Macintosh came later and actually was not a commercial success at first, unlike the Apple 2. Very confusing... Might wonder if he bothers a bit researching what he is talking about.