Why switch to Dorico? | Switching from Finale to Dorico

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@danielleohallisey4218 2 ай бұрын

While it pains me to need to relearn my workflow at this stage of the game, just the first few minutes of your video show me that the tools in Dorico are fundamentally better and are eventually going to be easier to use (for a long-time Finale user). So glad they put you up to making these videos! Keep them coming...

@argot4086 2 ай бұрын

Man..this royally sucks..I downloaded it, tried to open a converted MXL simple leadsheet..and it looks like sh*t. I tried to go around to see if I could start editing and cleaning some of the stuff..forget it NOT ONE THING I could change or do. NOTHING is intuitive..Its like you have to spends ENDLESS HOURS TO LEARN the whole F program but who is going to help to get the exact little thing you ACTUALLY NEED TO MAKE IT WORK RIGHT NOW??? nobody... SUCKS.

@dorico 2 ай бұрын

@@argot4086 intuitive is tricky when you already know an alternative method. Would you like some one on one help? Email discoverdorico@steinberg.de

@vincebinghamIII 2 ай бұрын

Why? Because Finale users don't have much of a choice.

@mattwallis1893 2 ай бұрын

😂

@CosmicTeapot 2 ай бұрын

To be fair, there's also Sibelius and Musescore. So why Dorico in particular?

@OrpheusSonOfCalliope 2 ай бұрын

@@CosmicTeapot What I believe Vince was getting at is that Finale just emailed all there customers that it is cutting off any more development and won't even allow us to upgrade with no notice. That is really screwed up!

@CosmicTeapot 2 ай бұрын

@@OrpheusSonOfCalliope Oh I'm well aware, I'm also a Finale user who received said email! I understood Vince's comment, my point was: Finale chose to endorse Dorico as its successor for its users, but it's not mandatory, we do still have a choice and could pick Sibelius or Musescore over Dorico. Personally, I think I'll go with Musescore, despite the tempting discount. It would've been nice for the video tutorials to focus on why Dorico is a preferable software to the other alternatives. The only unique selling point I've heard is that Dorico pairs well with Cubase as they are both made by Steinberg, but I already use Reaper, Logic Pro and Ableton Live as DAWs, and I don't intend to add a fourth one! Plus, as a fan of Martin Keary AKA Tantacrul, I've been keeping my eye on Musescore for a quite while now. Their new development team seem top-tier and the work they've put in for what is still a free open source product is simply astounding. What Musescore is today is leaps and bounds to what it was just 5 years ago. I think I'll use this Finale Sunset as an opportunity to finally switch to Musescore who looks like it has a long and bright (and affordable!) future ahead.

@ben2120-x2t 2 ай бұрын

@@CosmicTeapot A lot of Finale users have been using it for decades (it was first released in 1988). Meaning they're not so much worried about learning a new software as they are worried about the hundreds to thousands of scores they have saved in Finale files. Because Finale is going to be uninstallable on new computers after next August, there's a very serious need to figure out how to migrate their work to a new software before a software update renders Finale useless and their files inaccessible. Because Finale has partnered with Dorico, the best and only hope of future support for importing and reading old Finale files is likely Dorico. So there's a bit of a gun-to-head feeling among long-time Finale users that they have no choice but to shell out for Dorico now because otherwise they may lose a lot of material forever.

@michaelhollman9470 2 ай бұрын

I've been slowly making the transition to Dorico from Finale. However, I have 35 years of music that is going to need to be converted... That is truly going to be a pain... Especially if I forget some music files and it's September 2025... I pray that there will be a direct file converter program produced, as I'm not thrilled about XML to XML and expect all of the small details to stay. Of the two programs, I still feel that Finale handles complex keyboard music better through its layer system than Dorico.

@Subtilior74 2 ай бұрын

I second that. I've notated all my music with Finale since 1996, there's no way I'll be able to convert everything.

@danilodawsonvideos 2 ай бұрын

Totally agree, yesterday I found out Finale is over, and I got Dorico. It is really scary to think I will be losting decades of sheet music, because for sure I will not have the time to write it over to Dorico, it would be great to have a way to import-convert finale files into dorico. XML does not work well.

@johnswillinger1029 2 ай бұрын

@@danilodawsonvideos They came out with a responses agreeing that are concerns are valid. I believe they are working on a better conversion process.

@argot4086 2 ай бұрын

@dorico 2 ай бұрын

@@argot4086 See my other reply to your message

@karlrovey 2 ай бұрын

Given the news from Finale during down, I definitely need to consider this.

@LauriedeLeonne 2 ай бұрын

"If we already use Finale Music Notation Software, why would we want to use Dorico." sigh I should not be writing comments on KZbin videos during this period of mourning.

@brunorabergorbismusic 2 ай бұрын

Very few things has made me as happy as when I switched from final to Sibelius - euphoria!!!

@mixedupfilesmusical4038 2 ай бұрын

I know its scary and crazy day- but as an ex finale user I can tell u dorico is worth the time!

@EricHansenGuitarist 2 ай бұрын

Finding that so hard to believe in the early stages of trying Dorico. I will give it a little longer but at some point it is not worth the aggravation.

@mixedupfilesmusical4038 2 ай бұрын

@@EricHansenGuitarist take it really slowly. Baby steps.

@kellyrichardson3665 2 ай бұрын

The biggest problem with Dorico is the vast sea of conflicting, overlapping & confusing videos. There is no "one path" to follow in learning everything. Each attempt leads to dead ends without a tour guide or navigator. The many options seem FANTASTIC, but I've spent at least a year of actual time attempting to use the program, over a period of years, and it's very much like entering your new house but being required to rewire the electrical system each time, deciding which model of refrigerator you would like to install each time you simply want to open the fridge to pull out a hotdog. Need the bathroom? "What type of bathroom would you like? Do you want pink paint on the walls? Drapes?" There are too many required instructions, with never-ending, non-related-to-each-other videos attempting to explain each step. I would love to use all the features -- they are precisely the features I need and would use daily -- but the learning curve is like taking a class at a college in Nepal, being asked, partway through the class, to fly to New York where a different person is teaching a class on the same topic and will get you through the rest of this part of the class, then, "if you are interested in this topic -- you will love to learn more about dots, double dots, etc. -- we're teaching a class on that in Peru..." It would really help if somebody, in just one language, would create a set of videos simply teaching all the course. It's like going to a library, being told, "You can learn EVERYTHING here..." and you see a sea of books on 8 floors. Well, I didn't come here to learn everything, from dozens upon dozens of authors. I just need to know how to do anything and everything using Dorico, without having to read four or five different books on each disconnected portion of the program.

@RYatesGuitar 2 ай бұрын

I am only one day into these and agree completely. The worst is the videos where the screen shot does not match what is on my version of Dorico, or the text tutorials that say open X page or module but with no explanation for how to do that. So, you look up yet another video that may explain that step (if it is the same Dorico version). itʻs a nightmare so far.

@kellyrichardson3665 2 ай бұрын

@@RYatesGuitar Exactly my experience. Same with the printed materials that come with the program. Like working a maze where the solution simply isn't there -- just one dead end following another.

@dwbugher 2 ай бұрын

While I agree, this was also the process for learning Finale. I remember sifting through giant printed manuals in the 90s to figure out how to add ossia lines 😂

@kellyrichardson3665 2 ай бұрын

@@dwbugher Ha! YES!!!!! That is why I never used Finale. I purchased it, DID go through the ridiculous (& pompous) three-volume "how to" disaster kit, but kept on using Professional Composer, followed by Overture, IMMEDIATELY switching to Sibelius the day it arrived. Nevertheless, I kept purchasing every Finale update, which cost pennies compared to Sibelius in the hands of Avid.

@argot4086 2 ай бұрын

@Jonathing 2 ай бұрын

LONG LIVE THE KING

@EricHansenGuitarist 2 ай бұрын

Tried the Dorico demo and found it excruciatingly difficult. Finale and Dorico could not be any farther apart from each other in terms of UI. XML import is hit or miss. Just trying to create a simple two guitar with notation and TAB was so non intuitive. I eventually figured it out but what a frustrating learning process. I tested an import of a Finale score that had two guitars with notation and TAB into Dorico. Most the rests in the notation staff were written out in the TAB as actual fretted notes. My hunch is in Finale I probably entered the rest as a note first then converted it to a rest by hitting the R key in Finale. Something seems to get lost in translation there and Dorico thinks the rest is a note in the TAB. It is a real hassle to fix. I have to copy the notation above and paste it into the TAB staff for it correct itself. Unfortunately the TAB is now written as close to fret one as possible and I have to manually move all the notes to 5th position.

@argot4086 2 ай бұрын

@dwbugher 2 ай бұрын

I for one welcome our new software overlords

@sergeymarkosyan9468 13 күн бұрын

Cool!

@warrengoldstein410 2 ай бұрын

Do adding "extra" grace notes so in order to show extra notes for a second lyric using extra notes on the same staff to accommodate the second lyric not be counted? Thanks. How is this done? I didn't see it in the learning videos.

@dorico 2 ай бұрын

Do you want to email me this example too? Describing things on KZbin comments is tricky without pictures.

@warrengoldstein410 2 ай бұрын

@@dorico I will. What is the email? Steinberg doesn't respond.

@OGrauMusic 2 ай бұрын

Finale user for over 20 years. If Dorico applies an update where I can use the alphanumeric keyboard input as precise as Finale has, I will gladly look at Dorico, but I understand that you have a way of entering characters that is not very user-friendly. Finale is precisely admired for its alphanumeric input, it is one of its strengths. I knew many keyboard shortcuts by heart without the need to use a mouse or a midi controller (so hateful) with the alphanumeric I did practically everything and in very little time. Finale has managed to make many composers, arrangers, teachers, musicians and students have the urgency to look for another alternative. A tedious path. It is not easy because it requires learning time (not all of us are teenagers with a lot of time to assimilate new software) it requires time to learn new software. The main problem is the work; how do I finish and start new scores? XML is not 100% accurate and Dorico is completely new software for me. Sad and annoying news.

@dorico 2 ай бұрын

We have some very good and fast input methods, although like with any software it's like learning an instrument so you might not be as proficient on day one. We'll see if we can incorporate some of the Finale methods too (although some people find those similarly not user-friendly).

@patriciabarber9185 2 ай бұрын

Why not stick w Sibelius?

@bernardmaloney5484 2 ай бұрын

Will the Finale files transfer to Dorico?

@RYatesGuitar 2 ай бұрын

Only by exporting/importing XML files (which gets most, but definitely not all, details right)

@bernardmaloney5484 2 ай бұрын

@@RYatesGuitar Thank you.

@warrengoldstein410 2 ай бұрын

Text does not transfer correctly because Dorico requires the Finale file to converted first into an xml. Save your money!

@SomeMusicT 2 ай бұрын

If you want me to change to Dorico, teach me in my country's language. KOREAN

@Ekussa_ 2 ай бұрын

Please Dorico for marchingband score

@warrengoldstein410 2 ай бұрын

The designers of Dorico should make a program to convert the Finale code BEFORE expecting Finale users to be happy making a conversion. If you care about the users, then simply buy out Finale and continue that program. Problem solved and users SAVED. XML is not an answer or even a bandaid because it doesn't work. Get with it tech people, your customers have spoken.

@catherinebaizeau1369 2 ай бұрын

Merci de traduire en français, les explications ont l'air intéressantes mais je ne parle pas couramment l'anglais....

@nlarew93 2 ай бұрын

Amazing how a company focused on creating music won’t even buy the narrator a decent microphone

@fireflymusicservice 2 ай бұрын

Can anyone recommend a video series like this that is NOT produced by Dorico (and also doesn't feel a little too much like propaganda)?

@philippeduperrin8624 2 ай бұрын

Many musicians use Sibelius, much more powerful than Finale.

@pieroschlochauer2186 2 ай бұрын

@@philippeduperrin8624 Sibelius never was more powerful than Finale.

@ChristopherFryman 2 ай бұрын

Dorico videos are excellent and free

@warrengoldstein410 2 ай бұрын

Seems like propaganda!

@gak34711 2 ай бұрын

Bought and paid for by Steinberg. Finale should be ashamed of themselves. Loyalty? Money! Greg Dell'Era should be truly ashamed for taking the money and running. There has to be a class action. Everything in print these days is Finale. The publishers are not going to take this lying down. No new authorizations in one year? That might even be illegal. Don't buy Dorico. Throw your support to MuseScore 4.

@rihardsdubra814 2 ай бұрын

I looked at a lot of dorico tutorials: 1. Can't see anything I couldn't have done in Finale 2. I see that it is easier and faster to do all this in Finale (time is money!) 3. I am sorry that Finale has cheated all its users who were attached to this program and could work perfectly with it for many years. I've been using Finale for 30 years... Can anyone imagine how I can now transform over 400 of my personal compositions and about the same number of other compositions I've arranged into dorico? I guess someone thinks that I don't need to compose music anymore, but spend the rest of my life converting files from Finale to Dorico... I am very upset!

@RYatesGuitar Ай бұрын

"2. I see that it is easier and faster to do all this in Finale (time is money!)" But of course it's easier and faster FOR NOW. You don't know Dorico yet. I have three weeks - and several hundred pages - under my belt and have found aspects of Dorico that are far easier and faster. Small example: adjusting note spacing in Finale: Document Options -> Music Spacing -> Spacing widths. Change settings and go back to see if it needs more adjustment. In Dorico you open Page Layout (or leave it open) and make the same kinds of adjustments and see in real time how the spacing changes so that those partially filled bars or pages adjust to the settings. AND you can apply different note spacing settings to different sections of the score. That would take forever with manual spacing in Finale. Or, another far better feature is Playback for proofing. You can have playback with scrolling running at the SAME TIME you are editing behind the cursor. It's like a miracle. The initial learning is a nightmare, but gets easier pretty quickly.

@mrfomiatti5515 2 ай бұрын

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@ElDalai 2 ай бұрын

I wonder if piracy impacted MakeMusic business so badly, that they had to retire.

@dannyfratina3901 2 ай бұрын

Piracy has never once impacted anyone or anything so badly that something had to shut down.

@frmm123 2 ай бұрын

Dorico may be better, but how many people have the actual time to learn this NASA engineered programming, ultra-sophisticated, especially since it rarely makes anyone money. And if a musician is working and trying to practice to be better, and still have life and family, Dorico becomes an expensive icon that sits there on the desktop; seriously, this is NOT user-friendly material. What a waste.

@kennyadvocat 2 ай бұрын

If they closed Finale then nothing is stopping them from closing Dorico in 5 years.

@mixedupfilesmusical4038 2 ай бұрын

That won’t happen. Dorico developers have been in the business 20+ years over at Sibelius. Dorico is gonna be around decades and decades most likely.

@kennyadvocat 2 ай бұрын

@@mixedupfilesmusical4038 People said the same about Finale last year that it wouldn't close. Which has been out since 1988.

@mixedupfilesmusical4038 2 ай бұрын

@@kennyadvocatactually a lot of people saw the writing on the wall with finale. A lot of licensing companies have switched to dorico and are porting all their finale work over to dorico. It’s the safest best in terms of longevity. Considering dorico is about to become the instant industry leader it would have zero impetus to shut down anytime soon. Best practice is to keep all your finale files now as XML in a cloud server which will future proof your work for any changes in programs down the line. I think we’re safe for at least another 20 years with Dorico- finale was on its way out.

@ChonyMilecki 2 ай бұрын

No guarantee, but there's a huge difference. Dorico is run by Steinberg which has a full team of programmers for their DAW, VST and plug in softwares. All they really need to do is maintain the software.

@kennyadvocat 2 ай бұрын

@@ChonyMilecki Finale is an industry standard. All they needed to do was allow people to install the software they already bought.

@argot4086 2 ай бұрын

Why Switch to Dorico? because Make Music threw you to the wolves..Hye Make Music, what do I do will all the GARRITAN sounds I got ($$$$$) can I uso those with DORICO? or I also have to swallow those too?🤬😈😡😠😤

@dorico 2 ай бұрын

Yes you can use your Garritan sounds. Playback templates are available here too: blog.dorico.com/playback-templates/