Why Swordmaster ISN'T Overpowered - Dungeonborne

I've been seeing a lot of discourse in the patch notes discord and also in my comments as well as a few other dungeonborne videos on youtube. I just wanted to make a video giving my opinion on why if nothing else it's too early to tell if swordmaster is overpowered.

[@QueenOfKelp]

It's a slightly odd video compared to my other Dungeonborne vids, but I felt like talking about class balance - and so this is what I made, lol. My next vid will be more normal

[@GamingDualities]

every class can be strong. some counter others

[@Pedrin2012ify]

Thanks to your videos ive learn a lot. But I dont get the grasp of perfect parry just yet; do I have to look at certain direction or just time it right to hold block buttom

[@greyb5511]

Hi Queen, as a SM main I 100% agree with ur opinions as well. Ppl just wanna complain cuz they were outskilled or outplayed by a class which offers good outplay potential using its kit. Doesn't mean Swordmaster is OP or busted, it just gives the player using the class more outplay potential when used at its maximum potential. 😎💪

[@Vensethos]

The "invisible druid" at 7:26 is actually someone using a mimic potion :D

[@MrMrAnonimer]

The only time I saw a mimic potion in use

[@GKiant]

@@MrMrAnonimer for me it's the second time, once I was just casually looting a body under the stairs and then notices two chests are suspiciously close to each other, and one out of any line so I decided to smack some sht out of this little sucker and still got scared when a dk jumped out of the chest, that was hilarious, love this mechanic even though it's rare :D

[@christopherdemartino858]

i use them some time when i need a break just drink one and wait XD drink some water send a few texts , specially if i have a a super game start like first kill full purple and i just need to extract i usually just take it slow if am farming so the mimic are nice until someone actually try to open the chest XD

[@QueenOfKelp]

And somehow I just never noticed that LOL. if he was just crouching I'm pretty sure I still couldn't have seen him so my point still stands but that's actually funny

[@smolqutas]

@@MrMrAnonimer this one time I knew a guy was in the room bc I saw and heard him. I went in with my shield pot on and everything was dead. I checked each room and every corner and empty. I thought he left so I opened the only exit and all of the ai was still alive so he couldn't have left. I checked the last place I saw him which was under the stairs. He opened every chest apart from one chest. Which was right next to a opened one. I tried to loot it but nothing happened. Hmm weird. I'll try again maybe my game lagged or something. Didn't work again. Wait a minute. I smacked the chest and a pyro came out xD i laughed so hard and imagined what he was like behind his monitor xD

[@dannypak3940]

9:09 the monotonous sarcasm LOLOL you will definitely be one of the more entertaining streamers in this community

[@tims5170]

The option to block spinning sword with shield is not viable. SM just charge attack through the shield. The only right option is just zone it. SM is really strong, but not OP. As cryos at the moments are (and a little bit druids). The only reason I don't like to play SM is this super annoying sword management mechanic. P. S. I'm talking about solos. Not quite aware of 3v3 situation. And yes, I know developers said that it's nearly impossible to balance all classes in 3v3 AND in solos simultaneously. And their priority is 3v3.

[@GamingDualities]

the game just need more content really. abilities, maps...

[@QueenOfKelp]

But you can charge the dash away before the swordmaster can charge their attack at least for the beginning of the move

[@GamingDualities]

@@QueenOfKelp or block yes

[@phazedkilledyou]

​You mean to escape like you did? Yeah you are right since you turn around right when your basically fully charged an avoid a tick or 2 of the deflection. ​@QueenOfKelp

[@phazedkilledyou]

Ngl I been playing cryo over SM as I personally enjoy it more been wanting another lock playstyle similar to DaD and dex int cryo is where I stay

[@antoinegantesmonchau3752]

You starting streaming is a great idea in my opinion, you deserve support you are entertaining and really good !

[@user-ni3yt1rw1x]

It's true, Swordmaster is only OP if you refuse to block.

[@phazedkilledyou]

What do you do as swordmaster when you fight another sm in a 1v1 and you guys refuse to swap to 2h lol

[@SneakingMOUSE]

I was just in a lobby with you just now where this Cyro and you were the last ones in the lobby, "Magnusey" was their name. They won at the end. I was fighting them but had to run away cause I was just a no gear rogue. Lucky seeing you randomly. I think I saw you fighting a DK earlier lol

[@QueenOfKelp]

I dealt 1530 damage to that cryo in the span of 10 seconds and he still had 25% HP left when I died btw lol. That clip's probably going in my next vid

[@reinvented915]

Good info again Queen of Kelp! You've become my go-to for everything Dungeonborne! :) EDIT: I'd watch you stream this for sure

[@Achilla09]

Good detailed video on the subject. The druid nerfs made me feel better about future balance changes. I was very concerned that based off alot of the salt posting they would go way overboard

[@zacharyjackson1829]

i think the devs understand that at this time, the player base is at it's lowest level of skill on average so opinions should be taken very lightly. i still remember people saying a week ago that druid was bad which seemed like an idiotic take. I think SM is a class designed to be a skill check testing players ability to just freaking block or back off when the SM does a long ass sword twirling animation. honestly if anything i'd like to see the devs change the sword inventory design of the class as i dont like keeping half of my inventory dedicated to just freaking swords and that could theoretically buff the class

[@Achilla09]

Yeah i would also like to see them change the sword inventory design as well. Swordmaster was the first class i tried. After loading in wasting my first volley just fucking around with the controls and realizing i had to keep swords on me to use my skills. I got out and created a druid 😂. I guess i get why they did it but its not fun to work around. Yeah im sure over time ppl will start actually blocking and get better at it.

[@scottmartin7096]

I think the most important point made in this video is that the game in general and any changes made need time to mature let the community discover counters and new builds rather than trying to "fix" everything on knee jerk reactions . It seems like the dev's have a much more balanced approach to making changes than some other dungeon extraction games 🙄which is great . Love the vids

[@Alvadar65]

Claiming they arent overpowered because you can counter them with a very specific weapon, where in you basically have to let them do their thing and hope there isnt anyone else to exploit you having to wait feels really shit. Yeah its possible to counter, however only on classes with a shield, and only by doing something that means you just cant play for a while. The method to counter them is not only limited but also a boring counter play. A move can be powerful, however it needs multiple ways to counter said move, and should provide the player being attacked with something fun to do to counter it. If something is powerful, and has a limited very specific way to counter and the person having to counter isnt having fun in the act of countering then I think the move in question needs to be reworked. A move should be fun for the person using it and fun for the person countering it.

[@QueenOfKelp]

Every class can either equip shield or is a zoner who will fight from range anyways. Except for rogue but even then you can petrify and run. There are multiple ways to counter it too, just look at my fight with the cryo

[@Alvadar65]

@@QueenOfKelp Even then though, all the classes having to take a shield as a counter to one class and its one ability, feels like terrible design. It also still doesnt address that the method to defend against it is both awkward and not fun for the person having to counter against it, where as the person using it simply presses a button and walks forward. This is also not considering the fact that if you have to block in such a specific way, if there is anyone else at all in the fight, you are suddenly very exploitable from having to defend against an attack that is very passive in its use from the aggressor. There is an incredible imbalance in design from all angles.

[@QueenOfKelp]

To be fair in the next fest I carried a crossbow specifically to counter pyro, currently I carry stonewalls to avoid exit camps by rogues, I carry a longsword to deal with melee classes, and I first started carrying sword and shield primarily to deal with the new pyromancer. At the end of the day your build should reflect all of the classes you feel present the greatest threat to you

[@intricateice4416]

@@QueenOfKelp But not all classes can do that

[@zhevi1998]

Me and a couple of friends where larping about on fighters just with greens and heirlooms for gear, we jumped a sword master and all whirlwind at the same time... he won by just popping deflection... no blocking, nothing, he killed us all by the time 3 whirlwinds ran out... how can you say that's not op?

[@SunBurnist]

Love your vids, S-rank gameplay with soothing commentary. keep it up

[@viperstar6229]

Can you make a guide on how to farm potions?

[@Boons___1]

Go in with grey gear and/or heirlooms and go castle map. Farm all the little bugs and bats for life essence. If you're lucky you'll get pvp kills too which hopefully has pots as loot.

[@knpwnall]

easily the best youtube for dungeonborne I've found so far, love how knowledgeable you are, learning a lot so thanks :)

[@majesticmisterm7903]

Will you be streaming on youtube or twitch? Love your content! Finally a good recommendation by youtube :)

[@christopherdemartino858]

its just like people just see very good players using a class and they say the class is unbalance but the pick up the same class and can't do the same things so cryo is way more op in comparison same gear the fight is not equal with the same lvl of skill from both players the fight can go either way even if cryo is mage so it should not be as tank as it is but i have never end up a fight against a cryo with more than 50 % hp independantly of how bad they where.

[@psv3dsxl134]

very much agreeed

[@meganobgutzkraka2398]

i do like how you described the difference between the classes. where it's two playstylesi n the end. one being melee focused with ranged support and the other being ranged focused with melee support and then theres priest, who can't do neither right now on his own XD

[@ulysesjoos6628]

Good vids, your healing build looks very fun. Is it still viable?

[@QueenOfKelp]

It's not really viable anymore

[@mediandirt]

Just escaped a game with you in it. watched your video earlier today.

[@dinodudedanny6324]

I haven't played swordmaster, but I think it's fine that it wasn't nerfed now that fighter and death knight got buffed

[@bdsmachine6693]

Only reason why SM not on the top ranking is amount of swords they can carry. No swords = escape Usually u have to use 5-6 swords during one fight. 3-4 fights and u have to escape to the lobby. While druid can hit a random skeleton twice and he is already full loaded to the next fight. Mage have mana on hit trait so he have infinity amount of mana. Dk and cryo needs to kill several mobs to be ready for next fight but its still not a consumable swords. If swords wasnt consumable SM would be top1 with 10.2 kills

[@manusan1014]

Ah yes, slap 50% dr to the highest dps melee class, it will be balanced... And loosing to cryo is not a good example because everyone looses to cryo 😂

[@jellykingace]

i think ppl just don't know how to play their own class because of how Dark and Darker does things. In DaD, someone like a cleric or a wizard could very well still mess up someone like a fighter or barbarian in melee combat, sometimes without even using magic, but in DB the game is basically making you stick to your roles of either being a healer, a tank, or a dps making it to where class counters are better shown and ppl just arent used to it yet.

[@GamingDualities]

That 50% dmg reduction on E ability seems a bit overturned tho. Invetory space can be a problem. I feel overall just need more abilities and maps really

[@icecloak]

This is true

[@trzlik]

happy to hear u gonna start stream!!!

[@carterfn5939]

It shouldn’t have 50% damage reduction that should be something a fighter or something should have.

[@Jovan654321]

Cryo has 100% dmg reduction which also heals him almost to full.

[@shbmd451]

@@Jovan654321 freezes him in place and the heal is barely relevant

[@Jovan654321]

@@shbmd451 Freezing him in place doesn't really mean much if your dots are still ticking on the enemy.

[@carterfn5939]

@@Jovan654321 they can’t move or do damage while it’s happening tho. Way easier to counter just charge a heavy attack lol

[@Jovan654321]

@@carterfn5939 They can absolutely do damage while it's happening. Their Curse still ticks and their storm is still doing dmg while they are frozen.

[@WakizaWayne]

Instead of nerfing classes outright i would like to see more ways of countering classes using potions, for example lets take the thunderclap potion, if you are being slowed by a cryo having one of those pots is almost your only chance of catching them, onstead why not add potions that reduce the effects of slow for a small time period, or even speed potions would be a good alternative to catch speedy players since shrines can be random

[@psv3dsxl134]

Great Content!! and I aggree with Queen on this. Honestly i think its her gameplay that makes it look so easy which also kinda gives people a misconception that SM is strong. I think SM is good, defnitely not strong. I personally play dk the most. I am not afraid of SM, only cryo and maybe a good pyro can give real headeche. After SM done with q and e, they are basically a less version of fighter. If they stick in the fight with you and don't know how to go back and forth. They actually have a disadvantage. Only If you are getting ambushed or third partied by a SM, it can cause a headeche sometimes because they are good at pushing and able to deal high damage in a short time. However in a normal 1v1 situation, you always stand a chance facing a SM unless gameplay kinda fked up. and SM is also kinda special because they need to carry actual swords in order to use skills. This also leads to a more difficult resource management. You have much less space for loot from other players and also you probably have less consumebles. Additionally, when it comes closer to the end game, usually SM have less swords on themslves which also can give them some disadvantages. and they are less confident in fights when they have less swords. I personally think the only class that is truly kinda weak as of now is rougue. Rouge basically feels to me is not a class designed for fight. They clean up some mobs and loot some chest. That's it. If they stab anyone from back, they are pretty much dead unless its a beginner or the other guy fked up really hard.

[@psv3dsxl134]

and i think the easist way to test if a class is overpowered is playing by yourself. After you play SM by yourself and compare with other class again, I hardly think you can remain the same point of view.

[@ryanantheworld9328]

Where you at

[@QueenOfKelp]

Video 2morro

[@AstridCeleste96]

I do feel like there is actual outplay potential to fighting swordmasters, whereas the other egregious classes don't have that feel to them, which makes me think SM is much more aligned to balance. Ideally, maybe something small could be appropriate, but really they should be a powerful class if they have their inventory full of swords. I could see a nerf to Thunderclap when thrown by staff classes and the swords being easier to block without a shield being completely reasonable changes while leaving the power of deflection in the game. Cryo and Druid are absurd though lmao

[@Alexmagno7]

Ms queen how should I counter DK with dual sword? Feels like a spamfest and I cannot dash away using shield Thanks!

[@QueenOfKelp]

Honestly I haven't figured it out myself just yet. Try to camp out the dk as long as you can and only engage in melee if you have deflection ready, and then just get really, really good at parrying it. I haven't died to dk specifically yet, but the fights are always super close so I really can't give good advice on it yet.

[@jerocasell6068]

the only really OP class is the cryo, for most classes is imposible to reach and kills you with the cryopoison, sword master is pretty skill matchup, if you are better and use corners to block swords and run when he has the sword spinning you make him a normal warrior without 1400 hp

[@QueenOfKelp]

true but a lot of people seem to disagree so I figured I would make a vid about it

[@josejorge2170]

cryo + life on hit ? a curse aply hits ? only class thats busted is cryo

[@Specs4TV]

I average 1100 hp on sm

[@skyel.4510]

I mean it wouldnt make sense to remove the mages current abilities. At the end of the day they are soft capped on str and dex because their secondary stats are not meant to be stacked for those stats. I do agree though that sword master is not OP. It is super easy to block those swords as long as the individual knows they're coming. Castle is a good map for sword master because of how open. However Sinners End is quite the opposite. Because of the way the ability works it is far to easy for someone to just walk behind a wall. I think the projectile speed needs to be faster personally.

[@skyel.4510]

Just to clarify. No arguments here. Just my opinion.

[@ryanantheworld9328]

We met again i throigh 4 swords to see if your low didnt have deflection tho so i ran to all the way bottom

[@KimMilo-j8q]

mami when are u streaming

[@RiskyRuuk]

cryo is a bit too strong.. but what can they do to nerf it ? less ticks of damage ?

[@moistcasanova2855]

After playing a sm for a few runs i came to realise my complaints against sm was just skill issues on my behalf hah

[@Geonomic]

SM isnt OP and i agree with that, Love your content btw

[@antoinegantesmonchau3752]

Forgive my english, it’s not my native language. I agree with everything you said ! « Saying you should nerf a class just because it’s unwinnable sometimes for the other side doesnt really makes sense » but then you have to admit it’s the same when you sometimes lose to a cryo 😅

[@tunarulesatca]

Pretty much agreed with everything said. Honestly the only issue I have is swords turning 90 degrees around pillars and corners. Maybe the targeting range is too far? Definitely a buggy ability to be on the receiving end of at times and I'm sure it will be fixed. SM needs a better system for their swords so badly, or even just make short swords a 2x1. Everytime I think the lobby is dead I loot up, and end up in a fight with 4 swords. No other class has to deal with this poor level of QOL. Also can we start a post about nerfing Queen Kelp? Not much counterplay and the nonchalant commentary is degrading when you're on the receiving end.

[@choppachino]

You know what? I’m tired playing as swordmaster for the fact that you need to bring tons of swords just to be able to use your basic skills. They really need to rework SM cause swordmaster is the only class that is not fun to playthrough the whole dungeons like how would you stomped the game then proceed to red portal or shadow portal cause you just can’t do that

[@Longtimer49]

the only thing that seems a little overtuned about SM is the 50% damage reduction on E, but its cool if everyone has something that's a little busted, as long as its not cryo levels of busted where you're literally a god

[@GamingDualities]

not close range

[@GamingDualities]

game needs more abilities

[@coldcut_terkeysandwich9950]

Why do you use sword & shield instead of Mace & shield?

[@grovsmed4347]

its a swordmaster?

[@SneakingMOUSE]

Here's my take. The meta is definitely not defined very well at the moment. SM is very strong, but I wouldn't say over-powered because there is some counter play. I do think however that SM is the 2nd best class in solos if not the best in the right hands. SM is significantly more tanky than Fighter and DK with the 50% damage reduction sword spin. With just a one on one engagement, this damage reduction is pretty huge for SM, letting them survive a great deal of damage. And, if you so happen to surprise someone with 4 swords in the face, that's a ranged rogue backstab right before you start the engagement. But, I don't have a real issue with the Q on SM, I think it's balanced and has easy counter play for classes with shields.

[@KepDeep]

It was a lil overpowered at the start when people were all new. Now it is not, its a hard class to play vs an experienced player.

[@meeqway]

SM is not OP, but it's not in balance either. Neither are Cryo and Druid (though we'll see, probably the edits aren't finalized yet). But yes, Krio does stand out the strongest right now, especially in solo content.

[@MakerTHC]

i used to think SM was overpowered but now I switched from a rogue to a fighter and now I win against the SM often. I win against most classes id say, pyro and cryos seem to give me the most trouble.

[@captainsavage4766]

I agree, swordmaster isnt overpowered but is meta because people know how to use him while people odnbt know how to go against it

[@archonwut1624]

When i first starting playing i for sure felt SM was wayyy too OP, but honestly the more i play both SM and Fighter the more i feel Fighter is just stronger when comparing them. I don't think I've ever died to a SM, DK, or Rogue literally EVER in solos as a Fighter even when both of us are in full purples. Battle Cry, Charge and Blocking really does counter everything the SM, DK or Rogue does, even with the 50% dmg reduction on the SM ive never lost a trading fight due to Battle Cry being able to be used mid swing and IMMEDIATELY apply a snare, a shield, 30% phy dmg reduction, 30% increased dmg and 30% life steal. The only reason why i feel like people are getting butthurt/upset with SM is because the class is designed to really punish players for making bad mistakes. So naturally i think a lot of people are going to find it toxic or annoying because if you make a critical mistake and try to reset/run away/kite/buy time/etc you are doomed if the SM is being piloted by a good player--which is why rogues get EXTREMELY upset with SM. SM is for sure strong but not OP, Cyro however is 100% overpowered.

[@JakesGemz]

80% of people saying SM is OP has never used block.. stop the 4 swords the champ does nothing for another 30 seconds lol

[@gts2550]

I'm a simple man, I play fighter. Sometimes I die to swordmasters, sometimes I don't. Don't feel the "Swordmaster OP" thing. Because there are ways to deal with them, and you have already pointed them out :D. When I die to them, it's always a skill issue, or 4 psionic blades from stealth. That thing should break stealth, would be my only gripe.

[@QueenOfKelp]

I believe you can see the psionic blades when they're charged in stealth, but I still agree that attacking at all should break stealth.

[@gts2550]

​@@QueenOfKelp In theory yes, in practice, not always :/ I don't know, just making them glow harder or smth would make such instances feel a little fairer, if the stealth isn't being broken. The stealth critical bonus is no joke.

[@icecloak]

Wait 7:40 since when was I rank one it was my first time SM. I Agree Cryo and Druid are stronger but SM is still overtuned. Rogue and brief needs buff. Coming from player with way 2 many hours on the game. Good video tho :)

[@raisyassine9578]

i saw someone gets os with the 4 blades throw so if this is not op idk what it is, even if you can block them, dealing like 1400 damage with the right gear and the full throw is ridiculous

[@arbelle4429]

yeah have to agree people just don't know how to RMB

[@arthurdarkean8392]

hello queen, could you give me an explanation...or even make a video i sure would watch it...about how the weapons work? like...the best weapons to fight the classes

[@Seila_otsugya]

ima still cry when my rogue die to that

[@roli_cannoli]

Just because there are "counters" doesnt mean its balanced. SM is blatantly op and every other high level player would agree. Cope all you want but it certainly get nerfed

[@Peterbyte]

I understand where alot of the frustrations around the class come from and as a Fighter main, its frustrating to say the least that SM gets a better autonomous WW that is also awkward to block. I don't use whirlwind and even then it really feels stacked in the SM favour in a 1v1. They're faster, do more damage, have more damage reduction than I could reasonably ever build. I'm not saying i want to nuke the ability in the ground though. Just tune down the damage reduction they get from 50% to 30% (inline with the fighters own ability) and i'll be happy. btw keep up the good work!

[@arturohuizar8558]

Fighters use plate

[@Peterbyte]

@@arturohuizar8558 indeed they do, while the SM enjoys the benefits of being even more durable in leather

[@Jikuyega1337]

Nice grill gamer subbed

[@pyda3d757]

fact that you can use melee weapons + have range attack with higher dmg then crosbows without need of reload animation is same like 3 weapon slots + nice slow effects and 50% dmg reduction with aoe dmg... this is really more then half of the other class can do ...but still ..you got some point .)

[@choppachino]

Bruh, that 50% damage reduction is the only defensive option swordmaster has and they need to reach the stamina req. Playing SM you have to bring thousands of swords just to be able to use their skills and the worst part you can’t get them back, SM is the only class that has to do PVP kill everyone just to be able to loot something. I main fighter and of all the classes that i fought swordmaster was never a problem, you can just bait them to do E skill then kite and once it’s done they’re totally dead. Having to deal with cryomancer and druid though is a hell of a chore time wasting piece of shit classes that needs some rework but people were just “hey, cryomancer is so fun”

[@douge_gpo]

U can block the 4 sword like you can with crossbow, and if you make a build for crossbow it does around 400+) and u can run away from the aoe, as shown in the video. cyro Ignores block and it slows. Rouge stone and run. All classes is “broken”. Melee vs melee at the end is just skill and parry. Mage fighting is just…..

[@Zwei22]

​@@choppachinoI mean you say this but... What does rogue have as a defensive option? Stealth? That anyone can see because it's not actually stealth and only makes you transparent? Rogue is more melee then SM, yet SM matches rogues speed, does 3x its damage, has perm invis, has a 5 second CD slow, 50% damage reduction, more HP, and to top it all off, an 80% HP nuke for most classes. Why is it good at everything? Yet rogue sits in dirt tier with the only viable playstyle being get purple gear and perform hit and one, or backstab someone who is low HP. Your argument for the 50% damg reduction really makes no sense given how strong it is in every other category.

[@bugyGD]

​@@Zwei22 have you actually played rogue with a xbow and 93 dex? 'cause it's really not dirt tier and the defensive option is being able to stall and run out of (almost) every bad fight

[@choppachino]

@@Zwei22 Rogues play dex and they're faster when stealth. You don't play face to face because obviously Rogues are not designed for that. Dex passive enables you to keep invis everytime you kill mobs, they're one of the fastest killing-mob class (backstab). You can bring crossbow and rogues have petrify?? duh. Also you can petrify with your crossbow then throw incendiary flask and keep kiting?? And your argument for "3X damage, more HP, 80% HP Nuke blablabla" does not make any sense lmao every class have different playstyle. If you're going head to head just don't use Rogue lol.

[@bj_cat103]

as SM main since playtests, the class is op at the moment and I can see why you would think it's not Just don't use sword and shield, swap it for dual blades, use them to dps check/chase down casters, dagger and longsword users and use longsword for sword and shield users, longsword dash easily prevents the counterplay you show for sword and shield, the person in your video decided to just throw swords for some reason, which isn't the play there the play would be to either instantly charge a heavy when see them blocking or react with a flask+dash right after the dash I also do not agree that classes should not have equal opportunities at winning, it turns the solo mode into a slot machine, they should either balance or remove it

[@zacharyjackson1829]

i think what they meant with the "classes shouldnt have equal footing" statement was that if you are a squishy caster or a rogue then in a fight where things are up close and personal then SM should never lose if skill and gear are comparable, which i agree with. i dont think a rogue player should ever beat a fighter or DK in a fair melee fight either nor would i expect a death knight to have a chance against a pyromancer with height advantage and a long distance with little cover.

[@QueenOfKelp]

In the video my friend specifically charged a longsword heavy attack but because of the deflection startup animation my s&s charges quicker and I was able to dash away, then he threw swords as I retreated. He did mess up a bit because he's a noob but as a whole I think the strategy is valid for avoiding the first like 4 seconds of deflection at least if your opponent charges a heavy attack.

[@bj_cat103]

@@zacharyjackson1829 then they should rework spawns so that such situations are not forced onto players Also as sm, I don't quite feel these disadvantages, I can play range poke and drain people of resources or can run them down as I choose, not feeling particularly weak in any of those cases, which I see as very problematic

[@zacharyjackson1829]

@bj_cat103 no spawns "force" that situation. Yes there are bad spawns but you learn which they are and you book your ass to high ground pretty quick. Take the SW forest spawns in Castle. You can immediately rush the fence entrance to stairs to get up top fast. Let's say you also spawns in that death ravine, you can just rush that res stone ledge and either go along the top of ravine or push through that tunnel

[@bj_cat103]

@@zacharyjackson1829 there are a few spawns where a person can be jumped in a few first seconds of the match, like right away It doesn't matter that you can start moving somewhere because you can get engaged right away and if it's sm, druid or rogue doing that for example, casters will be forced to take the fight due to move speed difference

[@Menlei]

The 50% damage reduction is totally OP. Also, elf itself is OP.

[@n0nst0p4g2]

I'm understanding that SM is your favourite class. BUT. You should understand that mobile class with low cd ranged attacks and damage power given by leather armor should not have damage reduction 50% of ANY damage.

[@shibadoge5960]

Damn this video is some next level SM cope, I tell you that as playing SM only we really are overpowered. You can't compare to specific scenarios, this is a loot extraction game. It's about risk vs reward, whether you want to play more passively or whether you want to farm and make noise. Overall we are overpowered and need balancing, and my take on balance would be to nerf the E damage reduction to 30%, we already get decent PDR from our kit, adding 50% damage reduction on top for 8 seconds is absurd. You're going to tell me, "but you can block the E", yeah guess what I get to also charge attack in the meanwhile. You're coping super hard and making it biased. We need balance and it'll come, don't worry.

[@bryanplumer8494]

It’s not cope. Shield block is not perfect, but you won’t get shredded if your caught within melee range and are able to make space. Space and shield completely negate SM. If you make space, you wait out the 50%DR And then they are just an extremely weak melee. Not to mention their resource takes up inventory space. SM has a very limited resource and is very hard to replenish mid raid, unlike other classes. If a fight carries on too long or you are involved in multiple fights, your resources are whittled away until you’re useless.

[@ВалентинЛагутин-и2т]

ye, some ppl are crazy enough to say that SM is higher on the list than Cryo and Druid...ridiculous

[@Kibblenator]

stats dont care about your feelings

[@ВалентинЛагутин-и2т]

@@Kibblenator wtf is that supposed to mean?

[@Kibblenator]

@@ВалентинЛагутин-и2т SM IS higher on the list lmao, kills and extraction stats are what matter not the tears of content creators and commentors

[@ВалентинЛагутин-и2т]

@@Kibblenator Cryo and SM stats are very close and druid has higher extraction rate than SM, my point is SM is not "THE OP CLASS" its just one of the best classes, which is the subject of discussion for this video

[@Sina-og7gx]

nerf incoming 😂😂😂

[@세블리S2]

SM is over over over power

[@rammune7260]

Based take

[@theluminary7340]

Yea man, there is so much counter play to sm. Like how petrify doesn't stop sm E, or how his 1 shotting ranged BS is lockon 🙄🙄 if u think sm isn't op I genuinely don't know what world your living in, but its not reality. It not too early to tell, just look at how his kit functions. Ive seen a full purple geared tanky fighter get 100-0's by a single sm Q before we even knew he was there, then sm popped E and thunderclapped me and I tried to petry him and run but guess what yo, his E kills me while he petrified. If thats not fair and balanced idk what is tbh. Lets also not forget he just takes 50% less damage for fukin free

[@GamingDualities]

Thunderclap is what is broken

[@theluminary7340]

@Dualities SM and thunderclap is broken.

[@AnnonHa]

if they Think SM is OP they haven't seen a cryomancer, that class takes no skill, the Frostbite Curse is literally a perma slow because of the low cd and the shield from using the Ice Armor and with it's passive unlocked like when you get hit you get a shield that also slows you.

[@skullreda2762]

the 50 % dmg reductions is overpower

[@TURK69KURD]

So is fighter and dk dmg reduction

[@guixanyr]

Q is op in my opinion. its a fireball damage on a melee focus character. Compared to all other melees no one has that strong of a ranged ability. Dk precise pull and rogue got the dagger throw. Those barley do any damage plus their hit boxs need way more precision to pull off. Considering mage's fight with staves most the fight and switch maybe for a slow. you are almost guaranteed to get free range damage on them. Then in 3v3 the E can win the fight with sword n shield equipped cause you can tank all the enemies damage.

[@pbomb79]

if you need a 50% DR ability to fight a ranged class then the ranged classes are out of tune. Cyro is the strongest character in the game rn so its a funny comparison to show you almost losing (after the cyro made plenty of mistakes too). No class should be hitting for 400-500 dmg on a point and click ability unless there is a CONSISTENT way to counterplay (dmg numbers cyro, pyro, Sm can all do with non optimized high tier kits). SM swords arent consistent as you noted in blocking with anything but a shield. On the deflection skill being avoidable by dashing out you have NOT tried Dsword dash chasing from what I have seen in your videos. It can break shields faster than they can dash AND if they do dash out it chases instantly with double light attack. Plus turning your back on a SM to charge out is going to result in two sword hit for 200dmg minimum. SM is just a toxic class. While full sword inventory its toxic for enemies when you can force 50-80% of HP in one ability and then thru swords being exhausted it becomes toxic to the SM player who becomes a useless class. The class should be shifted away from toxic gameplay (landmine; op dmg numbers that can almost one shot; inventory resource mgmt) and more towards correctly dancing in and out of melee combat while throwing swords to punish obvious mistakes and openings.

[@PlayerONeSVK]

50% reduction is too much and low cooldown on swords too. So SwordMaster is OP class

[@BeccaTKawaii]

Honestly, I use to believe SM was over powered, but I would rather fight a SM than a Druid or a dumb Cryo. Cryo is so overturned with its life on hit that I've watched one guy wipe entire lobbies. Especially if they get FAery of the Lake bonus, they can have infinite shield on top of the life on hit. As it currently stands, the game is rather unplayable. I love the sword fight rock paper scissors and I believe it should be a melee focused game, but it isn't going to be. Casters are here to stay, and unfortunately I'm not sure I'm going to wait around for supposed patches.

[@ilyakusenco8151]

SM is objectively not OP. Just run away from E, block Q, and then proceed fighting a worse fighter lol. SM is OP only if you try to steamroll him, if you know a tactic, it's just a worse fighter. On the other hand, Cryo is literally unkillable, takes no skill, unparriable and always has escape plan. THAT'S what OP means. And i'd still rework SM resources honestly, swords management is just awful, it would be so great if SM resource was mana, and not actual invetory items that would run out after 2 or 3 fights, and then you're, again, a bad version of a fighter.

[@intricateice4416]

50% damage reduction + auto tracking 400+ ranged damage ability... A good SM will beat any other melee 9/10. I know you LOVE SM so you'll defend it to the end. But reality is it's pop skills and use W key... Atleast like DK and fighter can have about an equal fight. It's not even close vs a rogue who actually wants to fight and trade. Rogue option is... petrify/block/run. So rogues have to miss out on fun and pvp just because SM is unbalanced... I want rogue to be good but SM is the #1 suspect keeping it down in the dirt. I can handle a DK. I can handle a fighter. And I mean stay and fight. Here's a challenge for you. Play rogue and fight a SM(a decent one and not your friend). See how often you come out on top.

[@Avo4929]

Mega cope

[@MKP2W]

Your justification for struggling vs cryo is kind of silly. "I dont want to use my ability because a druid is nearby". Like, yeah, id imagine a death knight would struggle vs a cryo too if they didnt use grip. Infact i think if most classes held an ability theyd struggle in alot of situations 😂

[@QueenOfKelp]

My point was that the ability is necessary to win the fight

[@MKP2W]

@@QueenOfKelp I don't necessarily think thats true for Cryo specifically. For melee you need that ability to level the playing field of your lower hp pool vs Death Knight and Fighter, but with pyro and cryo alot of things can happen. You can open the fight with 4 swords and instantly make that fight in your favor for one. You also have the sword and shield available to you as a SM, which is the best melee weapon to chase down kiting classes because its a faster charge (I know mace goes farther but overall it takes too long to charge for the distance) and like I said, you can throw swords. Thats a HUGE advantage. Death Knight and Fighter have less useful abilities for chasing down classes like cryomancer, so if your argument is that SM struggles vs those classes then the others have it even worse. The most important thing in solos is getting the jump on someone else, or else not whiffing your thunderclap flask. Those are way more important than having your e ability. Im going to be honest. I think people are missing the real issue with SM. I think that at high levels, with the huge hp pools of Death Knight and especially Fighter, if someone using those classes even remotely knows how to deal with your e, then that SM has an extreme disadvantage. We're talking like a 400 hp difference at that point when your E is gone, thats enough for those two classes to misplay a couple times (Like getting parried) and still win vs SM on an even ground.

[@mymusicchannel1990]

100

[@vitoat123]

idk 4 sword Q to 10% hp isnt overpowered!