Why Tadayoshi Yamamuro was a legend

[@SaranLee]

He truly was a legend.....And then Super

[@AdviceProviderfame]

Not even really Super. He really had declined even before then, with his best contributions probably having been the Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return OVA.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

True, Gt is where we can first see some of the traits that would plague his later work but I guess Super is where everything became apparent to the general fandom.

[@MaxIronsThird]

@@AdviceProviderfame Yo! Son Goku looks really good, just the coloring that it's a bit off

[@koolaidalan]

@@MaxIronsThird that was the point it looks amazing.

[@fridaynightnicktoons6885]

I wonder if he's senile or just doesn't care anymore. This seems like sabotage

[@AdviceProviderfame]

It's just crazy to me how someone so legendary in the industry, as well as someone who's been a part of the franchise since the beginning, how not only fallen from grace, but also seems to refuse changing or improving in any way possible. At this point, I just want to see something new from Yamamuro. Something different.

[@ens0246]

Has he expressed so explicitly? Otherwise it may be the constraints within the industry that imposes those limits

[@annedrieck7316]

Give him a break, he's already work his ass off for few decades.

[@meridox6460]

@@annedrieck7316 nah dude then he should have fucked off before super atleast it would've been better

[@sidecharacter3193]

@@annedrieck7316 nah if he wants a break then he can take one just like toriyama took one when he was tired of it

[@rory6483]

Imagine drawing the same shit for decades. I’d get bored too, but hey it pays the bills.

[@MostlyMocchi]

Unfortunately, the word in the title is “was”

[@Krill25]

was was is before was was was

[@bloodfinity]

Yeah, was not is

[@mechajay3358]

He was a real Master at shading. It really made the characters three dimensional. Then somewhere after GT he just changed.

[@hellodigitalworld8224]

Alpha Jay 3.0 even during gt but gt was kinda old so u can’t see it like dbs

[@zeezus890]

You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villian...

[@ryanstrumpfler8115]

You make me realize why I fell in love with this series every time you post.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

That's great to hear! Glad you enjoyed it

[@GodSpeedCrow]

I loved dbz gritty art style. The funny thing for me is that I assumed that the art style changed from saga to sage to show the characters aging lol , not cause of different animators 🤣🤣 when I was like 7 or so I thought Akira toriyama drew the anime

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Bro I also thought that Akira Toriyama drew the anime when I first saw it haha glad I wasn't the only one back then

[@JohnSmithsu2006]

That's how I still see it I see round goku as young and sharp goku as old

[@trevinodude]

While I prefer Shintani's style for current Dragon Ball (DBS: Broly was an AMAZING looking movie after all.) Buu arc Yamamuro's style is still the best DB style for me outside of Toriyama's manga. Especially the work Yamamuro did in Fusion Reborn... I honestly think that Fusion Reborn is the best in terms of artstyle and a big part of that was Yamamuro. Too bad his current style seems more... stiff and plastic like... it CAN look good (BoG REALLY proved that) but not always.

[@editorgt8623]

I like how every other title about the animators of Dragonball is "is a legend" and then this one is "Was"

[@j3llo456]

Yamamuro's art is pretty much what I envision when I see Dragonball, what a damn legend

[@MajinVegeto89]

That animation between Goku and Majin Vegeta is probably one of the best looking parts of all DBZ, truly amazing scenes that I can watch over and over.

[@ade1174]

That Goku vs. Majin Vegeta fight is my favorite in DBZ. Such amazing artwork and animation.

[@crtg4672]

DBZ 232 always stood out to me (7:45) as an all time favorite fight from the series. There was just so much more detail in the movement and attacks that felt much more like a real fight then the rest. I wish more of the series has stuff like that but considering the time it likely cost, I can understand why it wasn't more frequent.

[@ethanalvarez81]

As an animation student and fan of dbz I enjoy watching these videos

[@strideytidey8665]

Awesome video man, that Goku vs Vegeta cut has always been my favorite fight of the series so I'm glad you gave so much focus to it!

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Ayy glad to hear!

[@MazingerDestro]

These videos are great in showing your evolution. Back then you are borderline incomprehensible. You speak fast, jump from point to point. Good that you slowed down

[@Zander5360]

The way he used to do shading was awsome 😁 simple, stylistic and tangibly shaped

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Totally agree!

[@fatpurp4041]

Everytime when I draw I always refer to the Buu saga character sheets even the Super characters and when I try to draw in Shinatni style it just looks wayyy too close to the Yamamuro's style in the Buu saga

[@xhale671]

Yuya Takahashi's style is the closes we'll ever get to Yamamoru's Buu saga style

[@formeraxe117]

The Buu Saga style was by far the best. I especially like how Vegeta is drawn, because he has that 'stocky' look that is great!

[@jasonone8726]

Shintani's style looks nothing like the Buu saga.

[@purplesky4157]

Shintani is more frieza saga style honestly. Takahashi is buu saga 2.0 and my favorite style thus far, keeping that nostalgic look with updated graphics/art.

[@subtleprelude2400]

One thing old and modern Yamamuro are good at is having priorities on precision and foundation. Despite his artwork and his designs, he will always try to maintain max consistency during his involvement in an episode or a film’s production. That’s what makes him a good artist in his own style. I respect that.

[@JohnnyKReviews]

His episodes are always the ones I go watch all the time and I remember the most.

[@miamitten1123]

Ahhhhhh, that explains the different looking episodes. I always thought it was based on budget reasons, not the talent of different episode directors. I noticed his episode where the ones with the important moments in each saga.

[@JRDNCAT]

My favorite animators from DBZ have to be Kazuya Hisada and Masahiro Shimanuki. Their artwork, while not completely accurate to the character model sheets, was equal if not better than Yamamuro's in my opinion. Their animation was at the top for me because of how dynamic it was. The squash and stretch, the timing of the animation, the way they drew beams, the bulky muscles, the jaws/chins. It all culminated in this raw and violent version of DBZ that defined my childhood. Super kinetic and 3D feeling if you catch my drift. I'd love to see you make a video on them, maybe together since they're so similar. Great job btw, keep it up!

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Thanks for the suggestion I'll add them to the list!

[@ms.antithesis]

great vid!!

[@forgottenrelics1197]

first comment again haha

[@ms.antithesis]

@@forgottenrelics1197 hehe i turhed notifications on XD

[@canondorado7250]

Love your videos dude! Great job!

[@batguy39]

Yamamuro is like a big roller coaster It's just that he hasn't stopped going down ever since :v

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

Amazing, I loved the sharp shading in DBZ! Now I know who I have to thank for creating them!

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Glad you found the video informative!

[@IJC144]

HE'LL ALWAYS BE A LEGEND👌🏾👌🏾 RESPECT🔥💯🔥💯🔥💯🔥💯

[@LowellLucasJr.]

He's just so good! I always love seeing the tense face Expressions and dramatic animation! You could take a simple scene of a guy powering up like Cell or Goku, and really make it shine! His Line work is fantastic as well as the execution!

[@darknostalgia2668]

Great video, I will take a lot of these things to mind when drawing dragon ball characters.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Kickert_]

Your videos are so underrated

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Thanks man! I'm thankful for all support

[@ELIASyIBARRA]

Awesome commentary. You surely did your research. I didn't know that Yamamuro was the guy behind the really good animation over the years of DBZ. Series and movies. Thumbs up.

[@cooldude1669]

Even when I was a kid watching that episode of Goku vs Vegeta I noticed a huge difference in the quality of the animation. Possibly the best cut in all of DBZ, and Yamamuro was responsible for it.

[@thehourglassfan3515]

Great video. Love the fact that you used the instrumental version of “We Gotta Power,” my favorite DBZ song in the bakground. I always noticed the difference of animation in some episodes, why didn’t they keep the great one for all of them?

[@gcastudio]

Dude this was awesome👊🐉

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Thanks dude! Glad you enjoyed it.

[@TheeWandering1]

I'm glad I subbed, I just couldn't put my finger on what made young Yamamuro's art/animation so much more appealing then his current sheets. I look forward to more of this stuff bro!

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Thank you! There will be more like this to come :)

[@Shoyotheninja]

At 1:22 it says episode 13 twice instead of episode 131, probably just a typo. This guy was a legend. Really sad to see one of the best back in the day, be not well regarded these days. Wish he had contributed a little more for super! Anyway man great video, as usual. Would love to see more animator videos from you. Have a great day!!

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Thank you :) And yeah someone else pointed it out, I spent hours going through fixing and looking for mistakes but it seems I missed one still haha.

[@Shoyotheninja]

@@forgottenrelics1197 hey no problem! The rest of the video is great. So it isn't a big deal. Looking forward to more videos from you man. Love your videos!

[@hallu7477]

Thank you for uploading this. Amazing video and perfect explanation and comparison.

[@randaljr.8581]

So many good Z scenes!! You make me want to go back and watch the Super Vegeta vs Imperfect Cell fight. And that Goku vs Vegeta fight in the buu arc was probably the best fight in the series for me.

[@vinceamaro1382]

Everybody talking about Buu Saga Yamamuro but I love his work during the Android/Cell saga.

[@WolfBeastinfinity]

I really miss the Buu Saga art and animations that was the saga that introduced me to the dragon ball universe that I love to this day

[@jasonone8726]

We have Yuya Takahashi for modern Buu artwork.

[@acejumper1681]

As much as Yamamuro may be past his prime, he still is a legendary veteran of the franchise. Even some of his modern work can still be great. The tournament of power had some of his best contributions to Super with Blue Vegeta Evolution, and many episodes he helped storyboard, are some of Super's best. He was the animation supervisor of episode 131, one of the best looking episodes in the franchise.

[@nabeeltarique]

Guess now i know why i loved that specific choreographed fight animation all these years 😍

[@magnumopus8124]

so, this is the man i have to thank for the wonderful artwork i would noticed through out watching DBZ. you would always know he was involved just by the great animation with each episode. it would've been a bit more harder to enjoy it with the others. i also very musch so enjoyed seeing hisada's work as well.

[@flipzzilla4556]

I love your vids keep up the great work. I can tell your very knowledgeable about Dragon Ball cu I'm a hardcore Fan😂😂

[@Steven_M.]

Can’t wait till you do one on Naotoshi Shida and Yuya Takahashi. Great video 👍🏻👍🏻

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Thank you! They will come eventually

[@tyrannotherium7873]

I love the art style

[@KamiAnimeS1]

Love your videos

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Thanks dude!

[@Alllex]

Would you ever consider making a video about Takeo Ide like this? I feel something like that's been long overdue at this point, and he's been a part of the series for as long as Yamamuro.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Haven't heard that name for a while but yes I'll put him on the to do list although there are still several others I would like to discuss first so it might be a while sorry!

[@Alllex]

ForgottenRelics JW No worries! I’m still excited for these videos regardless

[@TheNaturalGamer1]

@@forgottenrelics1197 what if I die by then?

[@Unfazed1888]

I thought it was just so worth it to have to feast my eyes on his gorgeous work right before an Uchiyama episode. Thank you for this:! :D I love watching your videos before having to go back to work on comic/ manga freelancing because they give me inspiration. Ever considered analyzing Studio Cockpit's work?

[@forgottenrelics1197]

That's awesome to hear! I have considered doing a video solely on Keisuke Masunaga rather then the studio :)

[@donkeycheese8098]

His artstyle really worked in classic Dragon Ball but as the style changed he wouldn't catch up, He wont br forgotten

[@mryoyo1234]

Good video I learned a lot from this.

[@AlphaProto]

Nice overview, but I was expecting you to talk about how his style had changed from Z to Super.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Thanks! However I wanted to solely focus on his positives of his work for this video and if I talked about that time period I would have to bring up a lot of negatives of how it decreased and I have also discussed those issues in a previous video. Although perhaps one day I could make a video solely about how his style changed as that sounds like a good topic :)

[@koraxz8664]

Awesome vid! I really miss his old work, I personally think Buu Saga was his best

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Thank you :) Glad you enjoyed it

[@koraxz8664]

ForgottenRelics JW No problem! :)

[@zeedozeedo350]

yuya takahashi ,Tadayoshi Yamamuro and Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru are the best and great video i really like it

[@datPalomo]

ssj2 goku vs Majin Vegeta has to be one of the best fights in dbz purely from an animation standpoint, the coreography is amazing, every single movement is so fluid and detailed at the same time, and that take on the general artstyle is honestly beautiful.

[@timc.2317]

Why did I just find this channel!!!???

[@BRsPedro]

Just a quick note 3:09 Tenshinhan on the left is actually corrected by Uchiyama, not Ebisawa. Great vid, Yamamuro is a legend and his work on Dragon Ball will be forever appreciated but personally i prefer Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru and Masaki Satou over him, in both art quality and key animation terms. I would love to see what modern Dragon Ball would look like if Nakatsuru was still the character designer, since he clearly evolved into better things and has great modern work while Yamamuro... doesn't.

[@fruitfarmfactory]

Who oversees The Radditz to End Of Freiza/SSJ Goku arc? Always liked that rustic look, plus it was more consistent throughout or was it Tadayoshi Yamamuro copying Akria's art-style during that time in the manga?

[@nickrawls08]

Says "Episode 13" twice under DB Super at 1:22 , just checking if that's a typo or not

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Oops that's annoying, I actually had to cancel the upload of this video originally because I realized there were several typos as I was watching through it, seems like I still missed one haha.

[@Sage-2002]

This Chanel is high quality

[@Talon102-db7nk]

I really loved the artwork in the buu saga. It felt really round and 3 dimensional as well as having very fluid movement. Especially loved majin vegeta. His expressions just seemed so alive and all the scenes he was in seemed so clean. I'd say my personal ranking for story and artwork in dbz would be Namek/Frieza: Story (the artwork was absolutely amazing when it came out and it still is believe me. I'm not saying it was bad, just compared to the later sagas it was ever so slightly behind) Android/Cell: Story + Artwork (a nice in between in both categories) Buu saga: Artwork (the story aspect became sort of aimless right up until the end)

[@yeah-xd5qi]

God, the art in the Goku vs Majin Vegeta fight was next level

[@dlbutters7164]

Please make one on Yuya Takahashi someday!

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Ayy awesome suggestion don't know why I didn't think of him before

[@jasonone8726]

ForgottenRelics JW Yes please.

[@SlantCarson]

imho he was dbz's best objective animator overall and managed to set the benchmark for excellence in everything the anime stood for in the 90s

[@Cloudx0x]

My favorite dragon ball animator has to be Ryo Onishi. You should do a video on him. Yuki Hayashi also.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Thanks for the suggestions!

[@annedrieck7316]

He is still a legend in my eyes.

[@ZZtheDark]

6:54,nice! 7:50,I really wish he did more key animating tbh.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Oh how I wish!

[@ZZtheDark]

@@forgottenrelics1197 Oh how everyone of us wished. AnimeAjay made a video 2 years ago about DB Super Supervisors and yeah,had Toei care about the animation,they shoulda let some scenes be handled by Yamamuro in the key animating department since..well,his designs now didn't work. Good thing we got Shintani for character designs now.

[@JuanRamirez-kf8pk]

Hey there, when Araki hirohiko art review?

[@ms.antithesis]

Never, for no man can truely understand the beautey of araki *audible pretension*

[@insertcd]

I 2nd this!

[@mathieul4303]

I honestly don't like his art

[@insertcd]

@@mathieul4303 okay

[@mathieul4303]

@@insertcd Thanks for respecting my opinion

[@markodenyschambicolque2150]

Regraba este video y insertale las ultimas canciones que estas poniendo . Te quedaría épico !

[@iva00005]

The animation where vegeta puts his arm on cells chest so he doesn't fall made me moist

[@Krill25]

when you make the video 10:01 mins but still get no ads.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

ad block still on lol? And side note you can actually get ads on videos under 10 minutes haha

[@lxfj2128]

What the helll happened in super what a fall from grace

[@buster3041]

What grace?

[@jasonone8726]

Since DBZ Kai.

[@vainqueurmukenyi3123]

could you make a video describing the animation process in Dragon Ball.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

I have considered it although there is a great article on kazenshuu www.kanzenshuu.com/animation-production/process/ which goes much more in-depth then I ever could in a video! Although perhaps I still might do something similar one day :)

[@vainqueurmukenyi3123]

@@forgottenrelics1197 thanks but everytime I read their animation guides I'm always left confused😂😂😭

[@forgottenrelics1197]

@@vainqueurmukenyi3123 haha yeah it is easy to get lost, I definitely had to re-read alot

[@crvptrvp]

Majin Vegeta truly was his peak.

[@BlastCoolBlastKonGaming]

I remeber playing dragon ball raging blast 2 and i seen some quotes and they had his art work in their of some dragon ball z characters standing and turning around and aside And also was he the cutscene animator for dragon ball z ultimate tenkaichi

[@ProfessorDubs]

Wow, so all the episodes i loved re-watching as a child were all done by yammamuro. No wonder

[@AristoSwizzy]

He was the Yuya Takahashi of his time,I dont understand why he changed his style to the plastic stiff and "meh" style, and he knows that the fans dont like his modern style but he insist to keep it,why ?!

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Good way to put it, but a lot of the plastic colours in his work seem to be a trend seen through a lot of anime especially in the 2000's so I won't blame him entirely for that but why his style hasn't developed over the past decades is possibly due to working on the same thing and not branching out. But who knows for certain.

[@AristoSwizzy]

@@forgottenrelics1197 well I agree with you in that point,all modern animes are done with that plastic colors looking,but atleast the animation is fluide and dynamic,even his animation.became so slow and weak,that's why the ssg form and ssjblue form seem's to be so weak and not a big deal at all,you cannot notice any difference or any development in the power of the characters,and he should just keep'd his old work,he was a legend and he didn't need any change in his style ( sorry if my English is bad)

[@mohamedkhider6998]

@@AristoSwizzy yuya Takahashi is the yamamuro of this time🐐🐐🤣❤️

[@xenogen372]

@@AristoSwizzy Not every modern anime has a plastic style. Some modern ones have less of a plastic look, like Hellsing Ultimate, JoJo part 4 and 5, Demon Slayer, and Boruto

[@iiirdvii840]

@@xenogen372 boruto huh... I guess dull doesnt equate plastic...

[@daehanoberes4757]

I really want his old artwork back..🙁

[@sorubro2193]

"WAS" being the keyword here

[@AdviceProviderfame]

I feel like Naoki Tate would be a great topic of discussion. He's gotten quite a lot of flack in recent years as well, but I think it's mostly unwarranted. Also, I feel like you'd be able to point out more of the work he's done back on Z more than any research I could really put into it. He just deserves more respect

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Oh for sure! I've brought him up briefly in the past and have been quite fond of his work in super however when doing the research for the Sato video and this one I came across a lot of his work from Z and didn't realize how well he could hold his own back then as well. I was tossing up whether to do him, Nakatsuru or Hisashi Eguchi next on this series so he is one that will come sooner than some of the other suggestions.

[@AdviceProviderfame]

@@forgottenrelics1197 I'm really glad to hear it. I can't wait for that Nakatsuru video now that you've mentioned it. I'm a fan of his work as well. Even some of his modern takes on Dragon Ball are actually quite nice.

[@ruggie.74]

Let me just say this. We are pretty lucky that Shida, at the very least, didn't change his style or lose his ability to draw incredible art and animate well. SO many of the original staff have fallen from grace (I blade One Piece, mostly), but Shida never lost his touch. We are VERY lucky for that -- just to be able to have small snippets of his work in modern Dragon Ball is so fortunate. And thank the Gods for blessing us with people like Yuya Takahashi to carry the legacy of people like Yamamuro.

[@black2785]

Legendary movie 13 poster will be his best piece or at least top 3

[@sumdood8563]

I feel that if Yamamuro were given a second chance, he could possibly have time to refine his digital style and make something that actually looked good.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Yamamuro like many animators in the industry still draw on paper so these issues aren't really to do with adapting to working digitally. Also, you can see his style regressing in the late 90's/early 2000s so this is a problem that unfortunately extends much further back than Super.

[@sumdood8563]

@@forgottenrelics1197 But he did imply that he would at least do things differently if he would return to DBS. A boy can dream.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@greencarpet4639]

If dbs returns I hope they hire shintani. Because his shading gives a bit of OG dragon ball vibe

[@scoob7306]

great video will you be doing a part 2 about how his style evolved?

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Yeah I have considered doing something like that although it will be separate to this series :)

[@scoob7306]

@@forgottenrelics1197 Sounds cool! do what you gotta do pal

[@sprtsfanatic1]

God, imagine if Super had this level of quality and attention to detail. It would be untouchable

[@Ealais76]

He’s the reason super doesn’t look good to be fair

[@sydneyowusu3750]

​@@Ealais76it's not just him, Yukihiro Kitano = trash

[@sivakumarr5354]

💀

[@NONE.Dragon]

Either retire a legend or work long enough to see yourself decline.

[@zekken8227]

Yamamuro did some great things in Z

[@theposer]

He was the original king at dragon ball z in terms of art and animation

[@MarioMario-xl2tj]

The best!!

[@KamiAnimeS1]

Yup he was an amazing legend but his work went down now I’m not saying the animation is bad i’m just thinking you don’t have enough time to make the animation good it’s just not up to par with his old work

[@xhale671]

Imo the best animator of Z was the one who animated Goku vs Cell (good part), Cell vs Gohan Kamehameha battle and many more great scenes of Buu saga

[@Kyojuro_arts]

And also dbs broly was also amazing and dbz series was also amazing

[@kip4993]

And then came Super and Toei sayed ¨what is quality animations¨.

[@jasonone8726]

His work went downhill way before Super.

[@t.b.g.animation6185]

Hes a legend in key and inbetweening ive learned a lot from him iam an animator too but beginner i did posted my dbz side story please if you want to support me

[@Maximus4587]

Ever thought about taking a look at Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru's _Dragon Ball_ work?

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Yep I plan to do either him or Tate next for this series!

[@SuperSaiyanMaster2024]

Dragon Ball is my favorite Manga.

[@victorarmandosalgadosepulv4366]

DBZ Freezer's resurrection was really good make art.

[@panicoestatico9260]

Yamamuro was just only the supervisor of ep13. PD: Good vídeo anyways.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Thanks! But that's actually a typo in the video where I repeated 13 twice in the credits, he was also animation supervisor on episode 131 source-www.kanzenshuu.com/animation-production/database/#super-131

[@VladyDaddy7Z]

9:30 I would appreciate to know some artists who can produce the Dragon Ball art, not about a spin-offs. DB/Z/GT is almost completely forgotten by artists today.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

What about Fenyo, Draftsman79, chry_insi_art and chanampart

[@Ealais76]

GT is also a spin off