Why Terminators are better than Eightbound!

[@WynnCharmer]

I find it funny that an army whose whole war cry is "Kill, Maim, Burn!!!" and yet barely any options with flamers.

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Very true

[@wojciechprzewozniak597]

After maiming they will grill the remains

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

@@wojciechprzewozniak597 I miss the burning brand of Skalathrax

[@wojciechprzewozniak597]

@@BlogForTheBloodGod hhh that was actually flavourful, i remember also artifact bolters...that was so cool they should bring back the free (but not op) artifacts to customise your hq

[@kendallsnider3966]

I could be wrong but isn't it more Kharns thing, due to the battle on Salathrax when he burns his own men and their shelters in a rage, getting the name The Betrayer?

[@Drawsbackwards]

A couple math notes. Comparing wounds done per unit is fine, but when you compare WOUNDS DONE PER 100 POINTS. You get much different figures as the units do not cost the same. And by doing it per 100 points you'll level the difference cost of the units

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

I didn't do points costs as they change often enough and I wanted this video to be more about comparing datasheets.

[@Drawsbackwards]

@BlogForTheBloodGod makes sense, keep up the great content, I enjoyed the video

[@bigmoney3241]

This just in: world eaters player discovers the shooting phase.

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Shocking development

[@albertofrankdiaz6664]

the other day i killed a custodes character with oveerwatch of berzerkers XD , to be fair, i do because it have 1 wound left

[@Trazynn]

They're also simply more iconic, GW should create plastic versions of the Forgeworld terminator bezerkers.

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

@@Trazynn hell yeah. 12yo me fucking loved Terminators.... some things never change

[@vishes47]

He's not wrong about the durability. I took 10 terminators in a list to an RTT and Canis Rex with a Knight Castellan took 3 turns to remove that 1 unit.

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

They are impressively tough, especially when you stack on -1 damage

[@JJCarper]

Loving your thoughts with terminators I totally agree! So here's my own army idea I'm looking to test out. Terminator Angron (1955 points) World Eaters Strike Force (2000 points) Berzerker Warband CHARACTERS Angron (435 points) • Warlord • 1x Samni’arius and Spinegrinder World Eaters Master of Executions (135 points) • 1x Axe of dismemberment 1x Bolt pistol • Enhancement: Berzerker Glaive BATTLELINE Jakhals (65 points) • 1x Jakhal Pack Leader • 1x Autopistol 1x Jakhal chainblades • 1x Dishonoured • 1x Dishonoured chainblades • 8x Jakhal • 8x Autopistol 8x Jakhal chainblades Jakhals (65 points) • 1x Jakhal Pack Leader • 1x Autopistol 1x Jakhal chainblades • 1x Dishonoured • 1x Dishonoured chainblades • 8x Jakhal • 8x Autopistol 8x Jakhal chainblades Khorne Berzerkers (180 points) • 1x Khorne Berzerker Champion • 1x Berzerker chainblade 1x Bolt pistol • 9x Khorne Berzerker • 7x Berzerker chainblade 7x Bolt pistol 1x Icon of Khorne 2x Khornate eviscerator 2x Plasma pistol DEDICATED TRANSPORTS World Eaters Rhino (75 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 2x Combi-bolter 1x Havoc launcher OTHER DATASHEETS Eightbound (140 points) • 1x Eightbound Champion • 1x Lacerators • 2x Eightbound • 2x Eightbound eviscerators Eightbound (140 points) • 1x Eightbound Champion • 1x Lacerators • 2x Eightbound • 2x Eightbound eviscerators World Eaters Terminator Squad (360 points) • 1x World Eaters Terminator Champion • 1x Combi-weapon 1x Power fist • 9x World Eaters Terminator • 2x Chainfist 5x Combi-weapon 2x Paired accursed weapons 5x Power fist 2x Reaper autocannon World Eaters Terminator Squad (360 points) • 1x World Eaters Terminator Champion • 1x Combi-weapon 1x Power fist • 9x World Eaters Terminator • 2x Chainfist 5x Combi-weapon 2x Paired accursed weapons 5x Power fist 2x Reaper autocannon

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

@@JJCarper soli list mate, I like it

[@JustMuroto0402]

Okay. As I just starting getting to get into the tabletop and am Set on World Eaters I am happy to see that it was not just my resemblance of a brain thinking that terminators would be nice to have (more so because they are cool) I got my angron ready (also Kharn, Lord Innovatus and Master of Executions) and the battleline units too. Just the more special units were missing. Guess I am happy that terminators have a Spot too Great Video!

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Thanks mate and welcome to the faction!

[@SkinkPriestTylor]

My wife thinks 4 inches makes a massive difference! X8B for the win

[@massey8]

It’s actually 4” 🙈

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Ask her what she would rather, another 4" or another 4 men

[@samcarter401]

Thanks so much for this. Building my first WE 1k Army and was so torn between the two!

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Glad I could help

[@TLouie2]

When I got into WEs (18ish months ago) the Eightbound kits were hard to find in person and expensive as hell online. If you could even find them period. Already had some Chaos Termies so I gave them a try. This was when the standard talking point was (WE Termies = bad.) I've since picked up the Eightbound too, but I always had good results with the Terminators.

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Yeah there was a period there where they were so hard to find. Good thing Terminators do it better anyway hahaha

[@aronsayo5044]

Will I only get the feel of their impact with a 10man squad? Or I can get how they feel even if starting with 5?

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Ya kinda need 10 to get the feel. 5 die too easily

[@raphsanta-santaminiatures978]

How do you field them? On the table? In DS?

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Depends how many you have hahaha. I generally do 3 units of 10, one on the table, two in deep strike. But it varies based on opponent

[@raphsanta-santaminiatures978]

@@BlogForTheBloodGod I'll play 2x6 Exalted 8b and 10 termies. So DS seems better?

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

@raphsanta-santaminiatures978 probably yeah. If you want to talk tactics in more depth check out the patreon and Discord servers

[@ronhughes5894]

Lots of extremely interesting points pushing me even further towards running termies lol. On the one hand, I still think that they are overcosted right now, but they really emphasize some aspects that I have wanted to see more of in my World Eaters such as shooting and more durability. For example, in 9th I always used to run 3 War Dog Brigands. Their ability to clear screens and just hose units of sisters and guardsman and whatnot was massively useful. Plus it forced my opponents to have to actually consider the ramifications of my shooting phase, which makes the game far more difficult for them. Usually, they don't have to think about it at all. They can just leave their shooting units out in the open covering all the firing lanes with great overwatch potential. But with us having the ability to shoot back they have to play a LOT more carefully because of it and have to consider many more possible moves, which is good for us, since they are more likely to make mistakes or just get brain overload. This edition I have been making most of my lists with 3 Forgefiends with 3xEctoplama Cannons. The first time I tried out the autocannon option, and immediately regretted it when shooting pre nerf ArcoFlags, which was a terrible idea lol. The Ectoplasmas work much better. Plus if the enemy is getting to them in CC you made a mistake somewhere or the fight is already going really poorly. FF's are fairly tough, move pretty fast, and their ability to clear horde units or elite infantry like enemy terminators is really useful. 1xFF shooting into a 10 man unit of anything is odds on to be 12 shots (3x(d3+2)), hitting on 3's at Str 10, AP-3 DMG 3. So, vs enemy termies, they hit on 3's wound on 2's force the invuln save, and every fail is a dead termie. Kill even just 4 over the course of a game and you've already covered the FFs points cost. Also, as you mentioned in another video, their guns reroll hits when in Angrons aura, which is crazy, so now out of those 12 shots odds are 10-11 of them will hit. Really makes me wish our Sustained Hits applied to shooting though too, which it absolutely should. Codex wish list (fingers crossed) One example where they would shine would be when Custodes were getting free Fights First on their units that were contesting objectives from their stratagem. We don't want to CC that obviously, so we can just shoot em up instead, or charge them after the FF softens them up, and as long as at least one shot hits, you can force a battleshock test that then makes them unable to even use their stratagems until their next turn, so you can shut it down completely. This opens up a whole new layer of tactical interactivity between us and our opponents, providing a wide array of new options, especially if you know your enemies' stratagems really well. Right now, here are the 3 lists I am planning to test. LIST 1 - 1995 pts Angron Invocatus 3x10 Jakhals 1xForgefiend 3x10 Terminators LIST 2 - 1990 pts Invocatus 3x10 Jakhals 3x10 Terminators 3xForgefiend 2x2 Chaos Spawn LIST 3 1990 pts Angron Invocatus 3x10 Jakhals 2x10 Terminators 3xForgefiend 1x2 Chaos Spawn List 3 is really alluring right now because in MANY of my 10th edition games I have had a serious problem trying to deep strike/rapid ingress units, because I just can't find an area that is open enough. Although you did point out that you can use RI to just come in really close to the enemy on your side of the front lines, so that's a good point.

[@AppalachianTrollgaming]

Thank you for this! I’m a returning 40K player, and still building up my World Eaters army. I’m definitely going to build some terminators now.

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Hell yeah

[@gannynj]

Your dice ad gets me every time man 🤣 Well played sir 👏

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Haha yeah that one was fun to film, so many takes as I kept laughing through it

[@Spartacus--]

This is awesome stuff! As a new WO player, deciding between Exalted and Termies is always difficult. I think I love the aspect that Exalted can knock out big tanks relatively easy for cheaper points than termies. I know the down side of that is the whole one trick pony thought process, where the termies seem to have a few different tricks.

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

They are both fantastic units

[@creolekolbytv]

*reads video title Yes. My red butchers (running regular chaos terminators since no butcher stat sheet) was running through some grey knights

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Haha nice

[@heybleep9898]

when fighting other world eaters does 10 terms math against 6 EEB or will the eightbound wipe the terminators every time? I'm interested to see the math on charge I will have to test

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Let's say both use the -1 damage strategem to make the maths easier. Exalted eightbound use eviscerators so the 5 regular dudes get 6a each, hit on 2+ and wound on 3+ for a total of around 16 wounds. Terminators save 8 meaning 8 damage dealt of which 1.333 are saved for 6.6666 unsaved wounds. Then the Champion fights and does his 6 attacks hitting on 3+, wounding on 2+ rerollable for another 4 wounds, Terminators save two and of three two damage for another 1.66 unsaved wounds giving us a total like 8.66 unsaved wounds, so round up to 9 and call it 3 dead Terminators. Where as Terminators (full strength unit) have 24 power fists, hit on 3+ wound on 3+ for 10.6 wounds, Eightbound save 3.5 so take 7 wounds of which they pass 2.3 fnp for 4.7 unsaved wounds. Then the two chainfists for 8 attacks, hit on 4+ and wound on 3+ for 2.66 wounds, Eightbound save .87 of those then pass like half a FnP taking another 1.2 unsaved wounds. Then the paired accursed with total 12 attacks, hit on 3+ wound on 3+ rerollable for 7.2 wounds, they save 2.3 then another 1.5 with FnP for another 3.2 unsaved wounds. That's roughly 9 unsaved wounds which is also 3 dead Exalted Eightbound So both units likely lose 3 models. But Terminators have 10, Eightbound have 6. Also Terminators have shooting to go in first and next round of combat they will have +1 to hit. Terminators win the mirror match

[@heybleep9898]

@@BlogForTheBloodGod Thank you very much for the wonderful reply. Terminators here I come!

[@kendallsnider3966]

Just out of curiosity, with your damage output on termies vs x8bound. Wouldnt your numbers be a bit off with 5" more movement and a smaller unit wouldnt the eightbound be more likely to get all models in and attack in comparison to a 10 terminator squad that have overall 5" less movement so less likely to get them all in to actually put up the numbers your saying are very similar? Thanks for any input.

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

I did mention the eightbound as having the advantage of being compact making it easier to get everything to fight. But generally it is not much of a problem

[@norbert2960]

The 8b fall back aura is game winning. cool video though

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Not if your opponent is super experienced but fair point it can be Brutal and I left it off my comparison

[@bobbywatson2737]

Ok I'll give it a try, you convinced me : printing a second squad of termis this weekend ; I'm on the twenty'nator train now ^^

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Hahaha let me know when you join us in the luxurious Thirtynator train

[@Schundi1979]

Is a Land Raider a not good choice to transport those beauties to maim/kill zone? Why I do nost see any LR in any lists?

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Land Raiders can only hold 5 Terminators unfortunately, and units of 10 are definitely the way to go

[@Patrick_Edwards]

Why would you want to build the Chainfists with the Autocannon? Wouldn't you want the Superior Autocannon to be with the more versatile Powerfist?

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

I prefer it with the chainfists but there is nothing wrong with putting it on a powerfist lad. My way makes it a little simpler as you have 3 loadouts 2 twin accursed 2 chainfist autocannon 6 power fist combi weapon Your way would be 2 twin accursed 2 powerfist autocannon 4 powerfist combi weapon 2 chainfist combi weapon Which just makes it a tiny bit messier

[@Patrick_Edwards]

@BlogForTheBloodGod Okay that makes sense. I just prefer it my way cause if I fight someone with no vehicles I know which models to remove first without sacrificing my Autocannons.

[@hansyolo8277]

I just pulled 30 of them out of the primordial ooze and am interested to see how they do. 30 might be too many, maybe 20, and some exalted 8 bound would be better, but I want to give it a shot

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Keen to hear how it goes mate

[@tjwhalen4307]

I’ve been running 30 space wolf terminators since the beginning of October with only a few minor list tweaks after the new points. It’s a very fun, but challenging list to play. I have come across a few matchups though that makes it feel like your math is waaay off. There are things out there that absolutely CAN pick up a 10 man Brick of terminators on 1 go. I got overconfident once against a unit of Ork Nobz with claws. Also roughest matchup was against tau triple crisis suits. That one removed a block every battle round and made a very short game.

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

I'm not saying it cannot be done, it absolutely can, that's why I run three units of 10 hahahahahah

[@puglife5966]

Great video. I love terminators that model style is what got me into the hobby, but I do like the eightbound sculpts. Blood for the blood god.

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Make sure you check out my new World Eaters Terminators sculpts

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6PXon9mabGrftEsi=_Odp19yTtTY3EyMc released today

[@vishes47]

You should test those against Shuriken Cannon. 22:00

[@benw2375]

good point about the dev shooting on terms, managed to get 9 wounds off a ctan with two units shooting and some grenades during the RRO - ctan had to go upstairs to repair the next round lol

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Hahaha yeah some time that shooting pops off

[@Andrew.Downing]

Can you take two autocannons? I'm only seeing one available.

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

One per 5 models

[@vishes47]

The best chain fists come from the chaos lord in terminator armor

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Very true

[@noprobllama9747]

Nice review, particularly on the point that terminators are a beta attack unit after absorbing damage. Resonated well with the terminator armour known otherwise as tactical dreadnought armour.

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

It plays on the tabletop exactly how I picture it in lore

[@AB-ke2lw]

In future videos could you just have the Neoprene objective marker/join discord/subscribe banner on the bottom of the video remain in place, as opposed to popping up and down. I cant concentrate on what you are saying.

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Haha reasonable feedback. I was playing around with ideas on how to make it interesting, may have gone too far lol

[@AB-ke2lw]

@@BlogForTheBloodGod (joke) you need some subway surfer running on the side

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

I'm hoping honest to God that Red Butchers are released. It's a crime that the other chaos legions have them but WE don't have theirs.

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Yeah I'm in two minds. If we get them and they lose their guns I'll be sad. As it removes one of the key differences between Terminators and Eightbound

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

@@BlogForTheBloodGod True. But, they can still take ranged weapons in HH so I assume the same _should_ be true, just that you can swap out weapons on one of five (as well as the sergeant) to be twin melee.

[@bukharajones]

I enjoyed this. Good work.

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Thanks mate :)

[@livingghost7975]

Depending on how I do the math after 5 turns with statistically in a vacuum average saves and damage the terminators could do around 50 damage the eight bound 36 and 49 for the exalted I’m rounding things down for simplicity so you are right and this could

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

@@livingghost7975 especially when you factor in the +1 to hit and Wound as the Terminators take casualties

[@brokenarrow369]

Damnit Dean those are good points but i dont want to buy 2 termi bricks when they maybe coming out with a legion specific sprue...as i reach for my wallet slowly anyways...lol

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Hahahah yeah I held off buying berzerkers for like 7 years as there was always rumours of a new kit

[@Reminenz]

Is #thirtynators nongron or angron nowadays?

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

I prefer nongron

[@trevormcguire6984]

I can't wait to get my joytoy berserkers and Lord Invocatus! Lol just had to get that off my chest. Great comparison btw

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Bahaha I love this comment

[@bukharajones]

I think that if as many people ran the thirty terminators lists as run the eightbound list, they'd probably have as many top finishes. What I do find interesting is that even when they have had some top finishes, including one GT win so far, most hard core world eater comp players still find reasons to dislike terminators when, ultimately, they're clearly a different playstyle, and pretty clearly the best nongron variant available, but if you're template of world eaters is playing them as unit killing missiles that get picked up, you'll find reasons not to play the thirty terminator list... results be damned. I recall people saying, "Well, if people know what they're doing, they'll hand it fine" - but in many ways, that's any 40k match up if an experienced player has an all comers list and they're a good match up. I think that thirty terminators would do better into the custodes lists we're seeing, if only because they would be more likely to survive the warden clap back unlike eightbound... and have more attacks than the wardens themselves, depending on how things went. A 2+,4++,6+++ is pretty obnoxious on it's own, no question.

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

I 100% agree. I think a lot of top players don't want to succeed with this list as then they would have to admit they were wrong when they trashed Terminators in the past. So they just double down on the comparable Eightbound which are similar enough in durability and damage.

[@julese7790]

You convinced me !

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Haha nice :)

[@zerzes]

The chart is gold.

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

I wonder which other units would be worth comparing

[@zerzes]

@BlogForTheBloodGod would like to see Forgefiend vs Hellbrute for shoot/melee comparison.

[@nathanvanhelvoort468]

Yeah going to give them a try with destructor predators being around exalted just arent cutting it and in most of my games just getting wiped pretty easily still using eightbound for the reroll wounds though

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

There is something to be said for the durability of tanks too

[@nathanvanhelvoort468]

@BlogForTheBloodGod yeah the autocannon is really good at getting rid of 3w units

[@lordofmaanevej]

thank you, that was great info. use even 20 terminators in my list. and i love them 🥳💀💀

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Glad ya liked it mate

[@kawasakinin]

Awesome

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Thanks mate :)

[@jonmattison3939]

Great content as usual; but that bouncing ad-footer for 54 minutes, please make it stop...

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Bahahahaha feedback recieved

[@jonmattison3939]

On the reread, that sounded more harsh than I intended it, big smiles on my end. It's definitely a important to promote your things, but perhaps that level of frequency and animation and percentage of the screen that it takes over is a little much. Keep up the good work. Back on topic, I found that I actually own 30 chaos terminators from my 5th edition days, when I had both a Word Bearers and "Black Templars" collections. But you know, too many armies and not enough time, I'm not ready to commit to 2000 points of WE 30nators, but I do think about it a lot. (Trying to stay focused on combat patrol and spearhead, investing Wide)

[@tikhonoldwood3800]

Where are my Red Butchers, Games Workshop?!? *drowns manager in toilet water*

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Wait till you see what I'm cooking up

[@shogert2370]

This CONSTANT pop up of ads is EXTREMELY annoying and distracting

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Yeah that has been noted and removed from future videos. Worth a shot lol

[@SirPhatniss]

Eightbound were, and still are, such a let down. Not only are their models butt ugly, but they have no flavor to them. They just feel very dry. Its a damn shame they are 30 points less than a 5 man of termies :c

[@unbornpants9334]

Great video as per usual! I'm curious, do you preference the +2" movement blessing over advance and charge for the Terminator lists so you can still shoot? Edit: Looks like you covered it here, my bad - kzbin.info/www/bejne/g37JoXaPa9R0oJY

[@BlogForTheBloodGod]

Haha yeah often the +2 move is much better