Why Tesla Solar Hasn’t Worked Out The Way Elon Musk Promised

[@ChrisTitusTech]

I looked into solar for my house, had 3 companies out and it is pure snake oil at this point. Not that it doesn't work... but the MASSIVE upcharges and pure greed in the market. It's worse than any used car salesmen that I have ever run into. The loans and fees are crazy and at this point I will do it myself with DIY before going through a company that adds $50k debt to your house for $10k worth of equipment.

[@alexjones7845]

Yep, I plan to install my own system in the next 6 months or so by myself at a cost in materials of less than $8k

[@chitamule9040]

Residential roof top solar makes zero sense and when politicians and the like push for it than I know they have no clue what they are talking about and are just parroting some BS they got told. If you want to do this for your house than I would say do it if cost is not an issue of if you are off grid. Commercial three phase customers are typically on a completely different electrical tariff and there, solar makes sense. The trick is not even to completely replace their supply but to install enough panels so that their demand from the grid is less. If the people want solar for their homes than it's probably makes more sense to push for it to happen as a grid based installation.

[@HarrisonAdAstra]

@@donnykiles9522 so all the products that are on the market involving musk today work so they are automatically a fraud? How does that work? I would call that being daft.

[@alexjones7845]

@@chitamule9040 With tax credits for 2021 and factoring energy prices in CA, a system that offsets most of a home's electric use can break even in 7 or 8 years for the material cost, without the labor. An issue in CA is that politicians are already talking trying to add costs to anything that creates carbon and even charge energy customers on an ability to pay basis. I can't see future electric costs in CA going anywhere but up so such a basic system only becomes more valuable in the future.

[@tigreytigrey8537]

Lol the issue is idiots thinking solar panels are supposed to be affordable. Just like with whole foods, shop there if you can afford it. If you don't like it's because you're not their target demographic that's why you don't understand it lol. I hear the same thing from my broke cousins in the hood about me not cutting my own grass. They call me an idiot because I'm paying someone $50 to cut my grass when I can do it myself. They don't understand that my time is now at a point of being so valuable that I would lose $400 if I took 2 hrs to do it myself. No matter how much I try to explain this they never understand in my circle it's common sense, in theirs I'm clueless. You Can't fit a block head inside of a round hole no matter how much you try and force it.

[@louisaparker]

The best Tesla product, by far, is Tesla stock.

[@aryaaswale7316]

yup

[@turbodewd1]

yes, but that stock is waaay too high....TSLA are valued higher than the next 10 automakers combined...thats absurd.

[@glorious_help]

@@turbodewd1 a bouble,

[@exaucemayunga22]

@@glorious_help it's been a "bubble" for years. I hope you're not on the sideline

[@2011blueman]

@@exaucemayunga22 Knowing when a bubble will pop is virtually impossible. Especially in a cult like the tesla fanboy cult. You're basically trying to predict when irrational people will realize they were wrong. No rational person would be paying the ridiculous valuation that Tesla commands for a very capital intensive business. I'd rather own Ford stock than Tesla stock given the Tesla valuation and I don't really want to own either.

[@addohm]

None of this is false or exaggerated. As a model X owner and a solar owner, I know very very well that Tesla's customer service is their Achilles Heel.

[@TheBooban]

There is no point in providing service for a product that doesn’t work. You want to talk to someone who answers with “we don’t know”, “sorry, we can’t do anything about that.”, “yea, it’s broken, too bad”.

[@milekragulj325]

SW

[@thanasisdakakis4775]

And their quality control

[@g1y3]

@@TheBooban there's no point in explaining things to Tesla fans

[@davidlafleche1142]

That is why green energy must be 100% privately financed. If an enterprising inventor actually believes his idea would work, then he must bear all the risks to produce it. Government subsidies only encourage carelessness. They don't need to care about product quality or customer satisfaction, because they know the Government will always bail them out, even when they don't deserve it.

[@seattlevkk]

So Elon goes after twitter instead of getting his house in order. I installed solar a dew years ago and initially assumed tesla would be it. But talking with installers and doing research made me realize that it was a product that wasnt ready and i went with panasonic. Elon does’nt care - he is in the pr game .

[@java4653]

The funny part here is: Panasonic is Musk's solar supplier.

[@seattlevkk]

@@java4653that does not mean anything - it’s not the technology where Tesla had issues - Tesla was lacking on the service side of things- both install and service after install. They were mostly using 3rd parties and calls to service would go unresponded. Resuppiers were’nt provded equipment after taking orders and were left stranded etc. The reviews were bad too. Hopefully they’ve upped their game since then.

[@patrickcorcoran4828]

@@seattlevkk I used to manage service for a large residential solar fleet. We would constantly get calls from Tesla customers saying it had been months with no response. Unfortunately because Tesla uses a proprietary racking system, no other solar installers can work on their systems. Every other company uses off-the-shelf 3rd party parts so if they go out of business or don't respond a solar customer can call another company for service.

[@SRSOS2]

He went after Twitter on behalf of his fellow billionaires, who saw Twitter as the biggest threat to their profit margins.

[@josephastier7421]

He could have done ANYTHING other than buy Twitter and been better off. I think he actually set a world record for biggest financial mistake in human history.

[@wtfisdat6382]

This is 100% accurate. I have Tesla panels and two powerwalls. Every step of the process was a clusterflock. Planning, permits, install, inspections...all subpar. My system has never produced over 80% of it's rated capacity, even for a moment, on a south-western facing roof in one of the "desert" states. You'll never speak to the same person twice at Tesla. They have no follow up. Their systems grossly underperform and timelines are meaningless to them. The Silicon Valley fake-it-til-you-make-it mantra is their way of life.

[@quantumfineartsandfossils2152]

In public on twitter Elon Musk is the hero of pro domestic terrorist pro abuse pro racism pro misogyny pro child abuse Chinese communist Nick Land @outsideness & musk wants to own the United States to do this he has to over throw the government which would be global suicide for our species he should do business in china not here he is unamarican he comes from Africa .. he does not care about the environment (nfts & other projects he works on fashion he loves they are destroying the planet) or people or art or reality ...he grooms & abuses anyone who has any kind of ideology left right and says whatever anyone wants to hear to manipulate them because his best friends are Nick Land & Nick Szabo & he loves Trump & Julian Assange ... & his friend peter thiel owns palantier and even if would be a great if not good thing for the fbi to get a back door at twitter & serve countless ransomware virtual warrants to all the criminals there it wont solve musks problems with lack of literacy on all these things or the fact that he has a communist wife who admires Phil Spector and Marilyn Manson or anyone who tortures or abuses women

[@MrKhodaverdian]

Not producing above 80% is to be expected. The ideal climate is direct sunlight, low pollution, and cold air... which doesn't really work in the desert where the scortching heat not only regrades the panel over time, but reduces operating efficiency. Kinda like EPA vs real world. You should never except a system to operate at max capacity unless it's some industrial grade stuff. Also you may more might be bottlenecked by the inverter.

[@tinto278]

100% your a Bill Gates bot to say Solar from Tesla is no good.

[@rtoma1974]

@@tinto278 Girl bye. Or rather, Muskrat bye.

[@Nathan-oe8ut]

You deserve it for even believing in this miracle product in the first place

[@therealzigzagler1962]

For those folks who are having issues with the relationship between solar panels and their roof system: Standing seam steel roofing is the best base for solar. Zero protrusions into the roof, the panels clamp to the roof and can easily be moved and replaced when needed independently of the roof itself.

[@warrensteel9954]

Sounds like the way to go for sure. Tesla solar roofing is really best suited for HOAs and places that ban traditional panels.

[@osteopathichomeopathicking6154]

Can't go wrong with steel, makes perfect sense to chose something that is imperviable to UV and almost anything the weather can throw at it.

[@phantomcreamer]

We just had solar installed by Tesla. It was a total nightmare and I experienced about 90% of the same problems. It was very stressful.

[@ruminationstation4200]

I've heard nothing but awful things about their customer service. (I've also read about what a nightmare it is to work there, so I don't blame the individual workers). Seems like the only thing Tesla was good at was PR! They even got a Reddit post about them shut down recently because it was unflattering. This is just getting to outright grift territory, I can't believe they were allowed to rip people off like that! I get so mad seeing musk rip off normal middle and working class people, and he shrugs it off like "welp, that's capitalism" and then makes a joke on Twitter about starting a coup. (Which he's actually done before). The things he's allowed to get away with are so infuriating to me I hope things are at least up and working for you now! I dream about being able to get off the grid this way. It's super cool to see people like you who wanted to take the initiative and expense of solar panels cause they believed in the idea, just to see them get taken advantage of so Musk can focus on what he actually cares about, which is Tesla's stock.

[@EE-ie9gm]

It was? Still is?

[@phantomcreamer]

@@EE-ie9gm The job is done. However, it was easily the worst customer drawn out experience we've ever had with a company.

[@dagnut]

At least your honest , this clown in the video was still willing to say he believes in Tesla after being shafted. It's not anyone fault for buying into the hype but for people to continue to market to others when they know it's junk is insane. The early Tesla cars were the same, littered with issues, early battery failures, electric germlins, running out of battery when the meter still showed power left..terrible interior build quality...but none of this really surfaced because the owners were so pious about them and shouted down anyone who dared to bring it up.

[@etherealrose2139]

@@dagnut "my system sucked and the company sucks but I own the car so I'm going to gargle daddy elons balls anyways." Yeah I LOL at that

[@xrtgameryt8008]

This panel can put out close to 100 watts kzbin.infoUgkxOqI2yqX0XVrhR2BMJciTWrHJpG8FhJyg when positioned in the appropriate southernly direction, tilted to the optimal angle for your latitude/date, and connected to a higher capacity device than a 500. The built in kickstand angle is a fixed at 50 degrees. Up to 20% more power can be output by selecting the actual date and latitude optimal angle.The 500 will only input 3.5A maximum at 18 volts for 63 watts. Some of the excess power from the panel can be fed into a USB battery bank, charged directly from the panel while also charging a 500. This will allow you to harvest as much as 63 + 15 = 78 watts.If this panel is used to charge a larger device, such as the power station, then its full output potential can be realized.

[@pgbollwerk]

I love my Tesla Model 3, and my Tesla Solar, but this piece is 100% accurate. Their customer service for solar needs a LOT of improvement.

[@MM-sf3rl]

I wonder how other solar companies perform. With fewer workers it may just remain with ongoing issues.

[@offwhitemke]

I am sure it does. Same for even Tesla car owners in some areas. I think production has been such a focus that customer service has languished. The company needs to bring in someone who can lead a strong customer service team which operations globally. And they need to get a media relations team in place after disbanding it over a year ago.

[@btrotta]

@@offwhitemke The problem is not the focus on production. The problem is the focus on having the lowest price. That's not a bad thing if you can offer the low price and maintain customer service. But Tesla is hitting those numbers by eliminating customer service. And that is what ultimately will cause them to fail. If enough people start publicly complaining about Tesla's inability to support their product, new customers will be very hard to find - harder even than a Tesla solar advisor when you have a problem.

[@laggreen]

@@MM-sf3rl Other Solar companies can be worse. Industry leader Peterson Dean went bankrupt leaving a ton of residential customers hanging in the middle of incomplete solar projects.

[@pranavid]

@@MM-sf3rl Get an Enphase system. The best part with Enphase is that through its installer base, you directly interact with Enphase. If a contractor goes belly up, Enphase designates another contractor as your primary. Your warranty in case of Enphase is directly with the company.

[@rappytrinidad903]

I’m a solar user. I’m very thankful I spotted early on the deficiencies going with Tesla Solar. I’m so glad I stayed away from them. I have neighbors who signed up with them and had to wait for 8,9,10 months while others got the shocker when they saw so many “adders” later on. Their price blew up to 2x. That’s not good business practice. Buyers Beware. CNBC has warned you

[@Rideeon]

Yeah the big problem is a real roofer isn't interested in being an electrician as well. and the technology isn't ready yet. good idea but just will take some time.

[@haraldkoch4446]

What surprises me is how I can see the problems. I'm generally a pretty simple person. I see those rich guys driving around and I think what' wrong with these people? I guess they are like the Chinese who live to brag.

[@zbeebs]

I totally fell for the hype when these tiles were first announced, but then never got around to calling about it. Procrastination for the win!

[@saininj]

Same. Procrastinators unite. Who knew it would save us money.

[@JohnDoe69986]

Probably a good idea. It’s just in a beta phase. Gen I versions of anything are not that good.

[@icowrich]

They only make economic sense if you need to replace your roof anyway. If you already have a perfectly good roof, it's not really justifiable. At that point, just get panels.

[@ericrathjens8847]

Yes!!😂🤙🏼

[@Thatsme849]

@BIGFOOOOOT tiles look so much better though

[@kelzuya]

"...Elon musk promised" When the answer is buried in the question.

[@huckleberryjam4975]

but but but but Elon Musk invented reusable rockets and blue bird app..

[@dezh81guy93]

@@huckleberryjam4975 loll he didnt even invent tesla nor paypal

[@haywire4686]

@@dezh81guy93 xactly

[@thryce82]

​@@dezh81guy93 probably kinda like how Jobs gets all the credit for Apple but it was Woz that invented the damn thing. Was he imp? Sure. Did the history of electronics revolve around him? Probably not.

[@screenPhiles]

@@dezh81guy93 Methinks Huckleberry Jam was being sarcastic/snarky.

[@FloridaClay]

Sad to see something with such promise so badly handled.

[@HarrisonAdAstra]

This is not true, it just costs way more than expected and twice as much as regular solar so it isn’t very appealing. It wasn’t handled to perfection but what can you do?

[@archigoel]

Badly handled? Compared to what? This is new tech development, you are guaranteed to face issues.

[@MRLONG758]

@@archigoel this is more than just "issues"

[@FloridaClay]

@@archigoel Agreed, with respect to new technology bumps in the road. However my concern was with basic business organization and planning issues; not doing basic things like having your supply and installer and customer support network ducks in a row before going live. Poor customer support can be especially damaging to a business's reputation and can be hard to overcome. All that is particularly odd given Elon's considerable expertise and amazing success in some other areas. It may be that he just had/has too many irons in the fire and solar was the one that got the short end of the stick.

[@FloridaClay]

@@sillystuff6247 Congratulations. However, this has zero to do with your stock portfolio and very little to do with the overall price of Tesla shares. Elon has obviously done many things amazingly well, to his credit. I admire him for that. In this case he just didn't.

[@Revan1606]

“President of the Silicon Valley Tesla owners club” is the cringiest thing I’ve heard in my life

[@petermiller9904]

Tesla owners are cringe period.

[@RhezaPahlevi]

Check their twitter bro. They are crazy.

[@Amidda]

Tesla customer here…after six months and many calls, I still can’t monitor my solar, don’t have a gateway, and will have to give up my warranty if I have tesla expand my system or add a battery…honestly the worst consumer experience I’ve ever had.

[@Batwing2465]

That's unfortunate because I've had nothing but great customer service from Tesla. While there will always be bumps along the road to innovation, I believe this company is the only one making serious strides towards green energy.

[@christinearmington]

🤬🤬🤬💩

[@sepc1]

I have to agree. This is a solar company without any customer service. It works fine unless you have to contact them for any reason whatsoever.

[@devilsatan2973]

@@Batwing2465 There is NO SUCH THING as "green energy"! You still have to drill and dig for the materials to make all the parts! Nothing's for free folks!

[@LiLBitsDK]

wouldn't it be smarter to have a team doing customer support instead of a team to quell the complaints on social media?

[@Warp10000]

But Elon is a "free speech maximalist" .... :))))

[@sawtooth808]

This is ElRon Mu$k we are talking about here

[@jeanquadvandamage9211]

@@Warp10000 If you read the fine print, the only free speech he is interested in is his own.

[@Withnail1969]

Cheaper to silence complaints than fix problems.

[@bm8641]

I see two problems here: 1. making the slates and crafting everytime a customized roof. 2. Planning permissions and the electrical design and permission from the grid. Very difficult to go around these two.

[@johnmcho]

It's gotta just be the first one right? The second reason is not all that different than normal solar I would assume. But the fact that every roof is different and is installed by local contractors is no joke.

[@jaffnaaaththal2619]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGmoaGuehcaroac

[@oxide9717]

Isn't it weird CNBC made this video today Coincidence? I don't think so GM: down 33% VW%: Down 8.2% Stellatis: Down 19% Nissan: Down 10% Subaru: Down 30% Ford: Down 37% TESLA: Up 73%

[@mika274]

@@oxide9717 ya. They do this type of stuff often. Remember two of their previous videos on nuclear fusion. I think a lot of confusion will be solved if CNBC is more transparent on who is sponsoring then for this type of content

[@Independentmusician]

Musk is a phoney,they stole the Tesla name.

[@MrWils25]

When roofers get involved in anything it automatically becomes sketchy.

[@jaffnaaaththal2619]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGmoaGuehcaroac

[@trevorchabot864]

Roof your own house. Tesla is fake.

[@MBarberfan4life]

Lmao

[@MM12684]

I am a roofer, and I approved this message.

[@josephj6521]

@@MM12684 you’re probably one of the better roofers out there. I’ve had 5 roofers come, one being abusive as to why I got up on the roof (I did so out of frustration) and a dozen more not turn up as promised to fix a roof leak. All failed to fix the issue but they have the audacity to tell me I know nothing and they know how to fix the issue. I’m at a loss.

[@daneflanigan]

It’s not just one company, the entire solar industry is plagued by poor customer service. It’s really a shame.

[@veganpotterthevegan]

Most at least get their panels

[@theequalizer2727]

I had good experience with small local installer who had lowest price.

[@jaffnaaaththal2619]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGmoaGuehcaroac

[@veganpotterthevegan]

@@jaffnaaaththal2619 what's that have to do with anything?

[@phamnuwen9442]

This is because solar energy doesn't make economic or practical sense. It only sells because governments are making practical electricity (fossil fuels, nuclear) artificially expensive while it's subsidizing solar. There is almost no other industrial process where harvesting of dilute, intermittent resources is done. Practical energy is produced in concentrated factories that can operate 24/7/365 regardless of weather or season, and then distributed to consumers. The consumer producing his own power makes about as much sense as if everyone would produce their own cars or their own food.

[@Ashakat42]

Because nothing works the way Elon says it'll work. He's the best vaporware salesman of his generation.

[@drwisdom1]

My brother-in-law is a master electrician and used to work for Tesla Solar but a couple years ago there was a firing wave that included him. Recently they contacted him to see if he would come back but he has moved on. One time they didn't have any room in their shop because Tesla filled it to the brim with cars that were to be delivered in the region.

[@quantumfineartsandfossils2152]

In public on twitter Elon Musk is the hero of pro domestic terrorist pro abuse pro racism pro misogyny pro child abuse Chinese communist Nick Land @outsideness & musk wants to own the United States to do this he has to over throw the government which would be global suicide for our species he should do business in china not here he is unamarican he comes from Africa .. he does not care about the environment (nfts & other projects he works on fashion he loves they are destroying the planet) or people or art or reality ...he grooms & abuses anyone who has any kind of ideology left right and says whatever anyone wants to hear to manipulate them because his best friends are Nick Land & Nick Szabo & he loves Trump & Julian Assange ... & his friend peter thiel owns palantier and even if would be a great if not good thing for the fbi to get a back door at twitter & serve countless ransomware virtual warrants to all the criminals there it wont solve musks problems with lack of literacy on all these things or the fact that he has a communist wife who admires Phil Spector and Marilyn Manson or anyone who tortures or abuses women

[@plog1805]

Roaming Home Depot’s to setup consultation appointments for Tesla. 2018.

[@d.p.9567]

Take much to create the theater.

[@steveb0503]

"I'm a con-man, or maybe I'm a god..."

[@georgegeorgiy3516]

I got a standard PV system on my roof. I don't think it's ugly, quite opposive. I love how they create an second roof, which protects from cold and heat. I love the way it's looks, and my friends as well. I don't see any point of tiles, which are so expensive, which means they will Not pay back, and the installation takes forever. Let's don't forget that in 20 years time, all of that will need to be replaced with new ones. From my point of view: solar tiles are pointless! With respect from France.

[@ecospider5]

If a composite roof works in your area you are right the price of solar roof tiles don’t make sense. But if you were already going to pay 3 time the cost of a composite roof so you could have a slate roof. Then the cost of a solar roof makes sense. This is true for very few people. But it is good that they are trying to make this work. For my self I did a composite roof and a SunPower system. Which cost me less than half of what a solar roof would have been.

[@kyriakos098]

Tiles are not more expensive tho... if you're building a new house it only make sense to put those solar tiles. If you have an existing roof sure, might be more expensive. But when building new, you get better insulation, durability and free energy at a lower cost. When the 100% figure out the customer support on this HUGE project, this will be amazing, both financially and energy-wise

[@JayOyster]

I live an area where solar panels would a) be very visible, i.e. northern hemisphere, the south-facing roof is directly pointed toward the street, and b) cause huge objection by my neighbors. I live in a very conservative, southeast U.S. neighborhood. (think, 9 out of 10 are Trump voters.) b) wouldn't matter if it also wasn't the fact that my wife hates the look of panels on roofs. However, I might be able to convince her of solar that looked like a normal roof from a distance.

[@ecospider5]

@Jay Oyster That can definitely be a problem. Washington state has a law that an HOA can not restrict solar on your roof. But when me and a neighbor started talking about it our hoa definitely still tried. It destroyed our hoa and so we voted to disband it. I payed extra to make sure there was no visible conduit and made sure it didn’t break our roof line. We really like the architectural design of our roof. That being said. It definitely looks different with the panels. And we are planning to put panels even on the north side.

[@driverdoug2002]

@@JayOyster Your house would be a perfect case for a new form of tile roof, but I'm sure other competitors would probably try to damage your roof so you would give up. I'll bet, without tampering the tiles would last better than thirty years.

[@JamesEdington]

9/6/22 New Tesla Solar client here - Just had our onsite inspection. The Tesla employee was polite, fast, and efficient. He repeated what we'd already been told from numerous follow-ups that we'd have an anchor installed when he was doing the inspection that would be removed and the hole would be patched. Tesla was the most affordable option and I liked that they now own their manufacturing facilities and don't farm out the labor, so far it has felt pretty streamlined. I had some back and forth with their solar design team to get our offset to as close to 100% as possible (max allowable by NV Energy in our area). I did want to mention that I opted out of battery backups. In Las Vegas, we rarely have blackouts, so the most reasonable backup solution to me would be a natural gas backup generator (which I haven't even decided to do yet). Will follow up on my entire experience, just give it a comment so I know someone's actually reading this to make the follow ups worth my while.

[@wryckingbaul8612]

Just so you know: no one cares. 😁

[@JCMoorer]

Dear solar installers of any kind, If you truly want this industry to succeed, then making sure your customers will speak well of you is key. Even if things are expensive, those that can afford it will speak highly of the experience and the results. You really cannot afford to mess this up-regardless of your stance on the climate.

[@scsmith4604]

The best comment I have read today. This advice goes for any industry/product/service but especially for an industry that is emerging and can elicit emotions from people.

[@UTArch1]

To quote the late Stanley Marcus (yes, that one Neiman-Marcus): "Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten".

[@BrokeProphet]

Musk succeeded, for Musk. Doesn't matter what the customers say, he already cashed the billions in government subsidies. Dude pays less that 100k in federal income tax, and his companies pay ZERO.

[@Kent41A]

One of the main problems with Tesla's approach to solar PV was to make it into roof tiles. Because there are fewer parts and less labor for actual solar PV panels, Tesla actually made solar PV *more* expensive, which is the exact opposite of what needs to happen if rooftop solar is to become the new normal on homes.

[@Professional_Youtube_Commenter]

Yeah, they assumed the ugliness of conventional panels was the reason why people install the rather than the fa t that energy was really cheap then. People don't care about solan panels on. Roofs

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

@@Professional_KZbin_Commenter it is too ugly tbh. I do hope HOAs ban all non harmonious solar roofs

[@evansuarez5432]

Always with Elon. Everything is about appearances rather than practicality

[@jobnieloliva5358]

@Lucas Fernandez all HOA’s are criminal scams and they should be outlawed.

[@blnunya6689]

@@LucasFernandez-fk8se Love the petty tyranny of HOA's.

[@pulsarfever]

I really thank the American People who are bold to speak the Truth

[@Ahoto_papa_bi]

The DNA of America is not to be bullied by anyone. Speak up, even if you will lose. With time it will get better for ppl after you.

[@KenTheMan407]

It sad 😔 this is speaking the truth. I love Tesla , but fanboys are really doing the industry a disservice. It just a tech companies. Apple fanboys was like this until company became the most valuable company in the world and no longer cool to be a Apple fan boy

[@Ahoto_papa_bi]

@@KenTheMan407 you say fanboys like it’s bad thing. Do you know what it takes for a company to create a fan base? Companies without fanboys, there’s a reason don’t. They are not innovative or disruptive. Even try to build a small business in your community and see how difficult it is to build a fan base.

[@KenTheMan407]

@@Ahoto_papa_bi it just a product , that it , not a lifestyle , not a religion , not a culture. It just a company that make some great products.

[@Ahoto_papa_bi]

@@KenTheMan407 you have no idea about business and selling. So yes, from your perspective it’s just a product, you can’t take it with you when you die 😃

[@CharleyTank]

I'm really glad I watched this, we have Tesla vehicles but decided long ago not to purchase the Tesla solar. The price fluctuations every month the design of our roof portions where solar could be installed, the prices kept jumping from $50,000 to $85,000 and up and once the price jumped to $170,000 we gave up on the Tesla system and went with Synergy Solar and have never had any complaints. They came out estimated the cost drew up plans 2 weeks later they showed up to do the install 2 weeks later the project had finished and 0 problems so far.

[@costamarques3900]

My fried has Tesla solar. He is super happy with it.

[@CharleyTank]

@@costamarques3900 yeah, I just found out one of our neighbors has the Tesla solar roof and it's never worked quite right but it does draw in enough power that they are somewhat happy.

[@michoacan55]

@@costamarques3900 your friend got scammed. he just doesnt have enough knowledge on solar so he is satisfied with what he got

[@costamarques3900]

@@michoacan55 maybe, or maybe he is an electric engineer and know more about it than you me and a dozen others who chats here.

[@CharleyTank]

@@costamarques3900 wait you said *fried* I'm an engineer also but when you wait 14 months for someone to acknowledge you have money and want to spend it on a solar package and they can't even send someone to your house to get an estimate, you know something is wrong.

[@jaysekhon8014]

I like how everyone critical of the company asks for anonymity because they know they're gonna get flooded by the Tesla fanboys lmao

[@jaffnaaaththal2619]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGmoaGuehcaroac

[@kenbob1071]

I guess you didn't watch the video. If you did, you would have seen people on camera critical of the company with their names typed below.

[@oxide9717]

@@kenbob1071 ikr I think he meant TeslaChart that guy was a f*cking idiot and Supported Nikola and promoted it to everyone just to bash tesla fast forward to 2021 their CEO is accused of fraud and he has been a laughing stock till date .

[@Warbay57]

Lmao that guy is a Tesla short seller.

[@Alexzw92]

0:51 Did you not watch the video?

[@jaya2304]

In South Australia, got a 10.8kwh solar system + 1 x Tesla Powerall 2 for USD$11k. My AUD$4k/yr electricity costs have dropped to $400/yr. I think Tesla should focus on batteries and leave solar to others.

[@jaybartgis5148]

Why doesn't literally everyone in all of Australia have solar then. Jeez

[@jaybartgis5148]

In the United States, if you have a system larger than 10kwh, the government will literally force you to buy an insurance policy because you are "classified as a tier 2 energy producer" or some bs jibberish whacko logic we have because our energy companies are upset they're losing money

[@jay2aussie]

@@jaybartgis5148 30% of houses do, other 30% is rentals, so that only really happens when a personal home with solar becomes an investment rental, so only 30% don’t and installations are rapidly increasing year on year. Quality/cost used to be dubious and expensive. Was only the last 5-8 years that it became really economical. My Tesla battery now would cost almost as much as my solar/battery combined due to demand/supply and reduction in rebates, so home battery adoption will slow. Solar though is still growing fast. Of the remaining homes, many are too shaded by trees or have complex rooftops making solar difficult. But yeah, most houses owner occupier without shading already have solar, national capacity of 11GW across 3 million homes.

[@לעזאזלעםגוביידן]

Tesla use Panasonic battery lmao

[@robertcruikshank8864]

I live in Australia and have a 5kW solar system installed with a 10kWh Sonnen battery. Cost was just under AU$20k (about US$14.4k). Installed in one day, a month after ordering, and now I pay $49 a month for electricity (I'm in a VPP plan with Sonnen Flat) instead of $250 a month which is what I paid in 2018, the last year before I had solar. So it will take about 8.5 years to pay itself off and each year, so far, we've been very close to carbon neutral.

[@robertcruikshank8864]

@@mmm-mmm I have an EV as well and I run that with solar energy off my roof and the other solar roofs in the suburb (40% of Australian homes have solar) and after 8 months it had offset carbon emissions from manufacturing (see link below). I’m on my second EV now after 4 years. I used to pay $100 a week for fuel in 2018, now it’s free. In fact I charge my EV using an app that tracks available solar energy. So my car is run from the sun only (we’re not as backward as the US on rooftop solar). Also I’m now with an electricity supplier that provides access to the wholesale electricity market and I’ve configured my house battery to take advantage of spikes in supply charge so that my house battery discharges when the demand is extreme and now I get paid to connect to the grid. I can even take advantages of this time when you get paid to use electricity because there is too much supply which happens a lot in summer in Australia due to every third house have PV cells on the roof. So in summer I get paid to charge my car with solar energy simply because the grid frequency needs balancing. Don’t believe all the crap that the oil company’s pump out. They’re just trying to protect the $2.8b a day profits they make. Plenty of money to drive the disinformation in their favour. www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/lifetime-carbon-emissions-electric-vehicles-vs-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/#:~:text=Based%20on%20a%20series%20of,environment%20than%20a%20Toyota%20Corolla. All to charge your car with solar only: chargehq.net/ Ozzy electricity supplier that allows you to make money from connecting to the grid. Https://Amber.com.AU

[@gabedarrett1301]

Just wanted to say that your comprehensive tech journalism doesn't go unappreciated!

[@Troll-qe1st]

This is when Elon should realize that one man show is good for one company and he could not be face and authority of several corporations. Don't be a key man risk.

[@tomaszdykier1573]

I got my panels through Tesla. It's been almost a year and It's been flawless. Since day 1. 36 panels. I make approximate 80kWh daily.

[@joebidenisyourpresidentget2481]

Are they normal solar panels? You would get them for far cheaper if you just removed the name “Tesla.”

[@ZoraPMC]

@@joebidenisyourpresidentget2481 Some customers want the lowest price, go for it. Other customers want the convenience, speed, and/or brand. Those customers are okay with paying extra for such luxuries.

[@darrenphughes]

@@joebidenisyourpresidentget2481 actually my Tesla system was over $20k cheaper than all the other quotes I got from the local guys in my area. Tesla solar is way cheaper per watt than everyone else.

[@gregdavison4458]

@@darrenphughes yeah that should be a red flag… consider ur self lucky cuz many of people have gotten ripped off…

[@jaffnaaaththal2619]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGmoaGuehcaroac

[@Comin_at_U_Live]

Architects need to start designing entire roofs to maximize the collection of photovoltaic energy.

[@SkashTheKitsune]

seems that my comment has been deleted for adding a simple link related

[@SkashTheKitsune]

they do, in Australia we have north south facing windows while minimising east and west, we also do our best to maximise the angle of the roof so that PV can be retrofitted at the correct angle that would give the most power based on the location, I'm surprised the USA has not realised these simple little tweaks that make the home more energy efficient and need much less power to actually run the household. People are thinking that PV panels are going to be the end all method to saving climate change but no, you need to properly design 8 star energy efficient homes designed for the climate that they are housed in THEN think about PV panels without having them as an afterthought

[@billykimber777]

@@SkashTheKitsune I fking hate how youtube doesn't let you post a link one time??? It like they are censoring you before you even post it 🤣🤣🤣

[@laprepper]

@@SkashTheKitsune I'm sure modern architects have figured it out but the problem is homes in America were built 30 40 50 60 70 even 100 years ago like my house, and although the sun was out in those days they weren't thinking so much about photovoltaic cells

[@SkashTheKitsune]

@@laprepper I'm not talking about old houses, I'm talking about those newer homes that seem to be built with inefficient material

[@raha1277]

I work for a large roofing company and Tesla will not respond to Solar City's customers when they have leaks. Sadly a lot of solar companies are the same. Shady business so far.

[@NathanEllery]

When Govt get involved with so many grants and free money, the crooks come running. It distorts the market and messes it up to function properly.

[@Unknown-xv8lj]

CNBC: Why Tesla solar hasn't worked out the way Elon Musk promised Average person: Because we can't afford it

[@josephj6521]

@Duncan Donut Donut in Singapore, you need $100,000 to buy a Toyota Corolla! That’s Singapore. They dislike car ownership and as for solar, Singapore will get their green solar energy from Australia via undersea cables.

[@lucasglowacki4683]

Why won’t they get the people to do extra customer support instead of scouring the internet for negative comments🙄

[@One--Two]

My best guess is that in order to have effective CS(customer support), they'll have to get more people to do it. In order to be effective at CS, you must be absolutely familiar with the situation. With any complex situation, to be absolutely familiar with the situation, you must be deeply involved in the company or design of the company's product. If tesla has been anything so far, they have been non-transparent(they don't want to reveal too much info). The last thing they are interested in doing at this time is hiring a bunch of people to answer phones all day....yet these people would be immensely invested into Tesla--they would know every single detail, from engineering designs to customer profiles; job estimates and technology deficiencies. Tesla doesn't need any more loose ends, therefore more CS is highly doubtful. Simply hiring more goons to answer calls won't please anybody, because goons are low-level and don't have access to the sensitive info that would actually provide people with helpful answers and timelines.

[@edwardleas592]

Cause we are a bunch of trolls

[@appleslover]

Because El*n m*sk is a scam artist

[@user-dr2pg8fk2i]

4-10 people to scour the internet, 50+ highly qualified support techs to answer phones. Pretty easy short term choice.

[@DeathBringer769]

It's easier to talk crap online and go after "haters" and "trolls" rather than hiring and keeping more competent staff on-hand with enough knowledge to do the job properly, lol. Randomly attacking and attempting to discredit negative comments online takes nearly zero knowledge and zero brainpower.

[@adnakiel]

You know… Japan has those solar panel roof tiles and several houses have that type of roofs. It is still expensive but it is already commercial for at least fifteen years ago

[@exaucemayunga22]

Japan is always 15 years ahead in everything

[@KaypangAsli]

@@exaucemayunga22 reliable too

[@MashZ]

@@liam3284 USA is like apple of countries. They "invent" things that some countries already have, take credit for it and jack up the price

[@thesilentone4024]

@@MashZ part of the problem is they dont recycle them to keep the prices up and keep people buying new ones sooner.

[@baizawai]

@@exaucemayunga22 Nah.

[@chrisklugh]

I knew it looked too good to be true, but I wanted to believe because I wanted to. Thanks for bring this up. This is how News should be done!

[@saugatkc1234]

The bald man saying "Please, uncle Elon" is the highlight of this video.

[@abelponce8297]

he really ment Daddy musk 😂

[@MrChrist741]

You should look at the face of his wife when he said that 😂

[@tomm7354]

Mindless fanboys will literally buy anything just to please Elon Musk

[@User-ju3zg]

@@MrChrist741 she cringed so hard

[@CristianHernandez-jb2sl]

@@User-ju3zg she immediately looked down in shame lol

[@philborer877]

Good report. I work in the industry and have found that So many delays are caused by a cacophony of municipalities and utilities requiring so many different types of installs, or permit and inspection requirements. Until the utilities and municipalities of all the states get together and homogenize the system there will always be long delays for the installation process of solar. It would be nice if you could do an in-depth report on that. Also, It is almost impossible to find and keep electricians and laborers in this field. That is a huge logistics for companies to hurdle.

[@tigreytigrey8537]

Lol you do know they have no ACTUAL interest in reporting anything that HELPS elon musk or the industry right? They're not trying to ACTUALLY assist in helping the planet. They just want to leverage your everyday run of the mill average IQ human who thinks they are smarter than they acually are and play to their most common instinct to complain.

[@adamanderson3042]

@@tigreytigrey8537 No truer words have been posted in the comments of CNBC videos.

[@bluetoad2668]

@@tigreytigrey8537 you are spot on, bashing Tesla is what they do. The cars are doing so well now that it's embarrassing to keep on about them so they turn to the home solar. No mention of the megapacks etc.

[@BlakeTedKord]

Which is why we need humanoid robots as well as AI to take over industries that need more people for society to develop faster as well as make it convenient for people to get services and overthrow the municipalities and utility companies cuz they’ve both become a monopoly and useless and careless and get in the way of progress…or is it just the shortage of electricians that can’t get to every site and are backed up and take forever to approve things when really…it should all be done within 1 hour (the checking part) and remotely approve everything instantaneously…and homongenize the electric grid policies and stuff…

[@MI-df8fr]

None of Elon’s company are making money , that’s not strange to you

[@ThomasTheTankEngine22]

That dude saying "please uncle Elon" is the cringiest thing I've seen in my life. I don't understand the god like position this man has when he consistently over promises his products and almost always delivers with some sort of catch

[@mrdotomuch488]

He's a badass. But yes some people just be weird

[@ThomasTheTankEngine22]

@@mrdotomuch488 yeah constantly over promising and under delivering is so badass. Punishing anybody who has any criticism of you is so badass. Removing features people paid for is so badass.

[@dopessongs3635]

At least he didn't say daddy Elon

[@mrdotomuch488]

@@ThomasTheTankEngine22 i have tesla shares its pretty bad ass

[@subzeroarctics1299]

How is he a badass? Even from a charismatic sense, he’s one of the most awkward people I’ve ever seen. I guess the only way he’s a badass is his ability to steal from dumb people sold on his lies.

[@drxym]

I'm *shocked* to learn that Tesla overpromises and under delivers. And Elon Musk was always such a trustworthy guy.

[@RussInGA]

Interesting timing on releasing this story. really

[@jaystarr6571]

Why does everyone keep saying that here? Did I miss something? Is the sun about to explode?

[@jaffnaaaththal2619]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGmoaGuehcaroac

[@richdobbs6595]

One thing that I didn't realize was that photovoltaic panels really don't deal well with partial shading. So roof top solar and tall trees providing cooling shade are not compatible. You need to pick one or the other. What if you pick solar and your neighbor picks tall trees?

[@KurtGuy]

Split banks or micro inverters solve this as long as your neighbours aren't creating a rainforest.

[@TheStarBlack]

Yeh that should be kinda obvious

[@mdjey2]

I would choose trees. Better for environment.

[@justinmanley8131]

You could poison your neighbors' trees or take a chainsaw to them. Just a suggestion...

[@klobiforpresident2254]

@@justinmanley8131 We only need the branches gone so high-throw chainsaw juggling should do it.

[@michaelb9940]

NEVER be an early adopter of ANY technology. Be it by Tesla, Apple, Google, Amazon, or any other reputable company. You'll end up becoming the test subject to learn from.

[@etx007blue2]

Apple is not a new technology.

[@3089280288]

Solar isn't new

[@henryhawke]

@@etx007blue2 they do add new tech to their phones tho

[@etx007blue2]

@@henryhawke The notch ?

[@henryhawke]

@@etx007blue2 😂

[@ReyMartinez1980]

I have Tesla panels and power wall. Completely satisfied. Haven't paid an electric bill for over a year. One of the best investments ever

[@etran211]

I have Tesla solar panels and can confirm this video is mostly accurate. Tesla customer service was mostly really bad but I was able to get one advisor that was helpful.

[@quantumfineartsandfossils2152]

In public on twitter Elon Musk is the hero of pro domestic terrorist pro abuse pro racism pro misogyny pro child abuse Chinese communist Nick Land @outsideness & musk wants to own the United States to do this he has to over throw the government which would be global suicide for our species he should do business in china not here he is unamarican he comes from Africa .. he does not care about the environment (nfts & other projects he works on fashion he loves they are destroying the planet) or people or art or reality ...he grooms & abuses anyone who has any kind of ideology left right and says whatever anyone wants to hear to manipulate them because his best friends are Nick Land & Nick Szabo & he loves Trump & Julian Assange ... & his friend peter thiel owns palantier and even if would be a great if not good thing for the fbi to get a back door at twitter & serve countless ransomware virtual warrants to all the criminals there it wont solve musks problems with lack of literacy on all these things or the fact that he has a communist wife who admires Phil Spector and Marilyn Manson or anyone who tortures or abuses women

[@curiouslymavismade]

This is Nepotism at it's core. If it wasn't his cousin's business, he would have scrutinized this company's marketability before putting in one cent.

[@1flash3571]

He was on the board of his cousin's business. WTH are you talking about? He KNEW exactly what was going on and knew what he wanted to do with the company. Elon even invested initial CASH to get them started too. You don't even know what you are talking about.

[@curiouslymavismade]

@@1flash3571 THAT'S MY POINT, smart guy!!!!! He was lax in his oversight BECAUSE it was his cousin's business.

[@1flash3571]

@@curiouslymavismade So, you know what was going on in their business??????? Wow...you must have some sort of clairvoyant to know what was going on with Elon and Solar City?????

[@TheBooban]

@@1flash3571 your comments make no sense. Just shut up.

[@Josephptmk]

Wtf idiot.It is the opposite.Elon saved his cousin's company.And elon is still facing charges for saving his cousin's business.

[@QueenetBowie]

I know several people who have solar, most are happy with the exception of anyone who has Tesla solar

[@318197]

Great work on the audio balance between the music and voices CNBC.

[@GMSpkilla]

Lol when I had my solar roof installed they literally just showed up started tearing the roof off without even ringing the doorbell or calling before hand. They had also tore off the roof of the barn which I wasn't in The contract and I had just gotten done a few months ago. So I got the barn done for free I guess Getting in contact with customer service was pretty bad even after I got my direct line to my project manager. You know customer service is bad when the tesla electrician that came to install my power wall had to wait an hour on hold calling tesla ... Though my roof only costs 23k for 5.5kw system and threw Ina ",free barn roof and powewall"

[@peter.g6]

This is so hilarious dude.

[@MBarberfan4life]

Lolol

[@li5up6]

Hey at least you got an error in your favor

[@someonespotatohmm9513]

But the price. Did a 6Kw standard system myself and it only cost 8K. It was without battery but still.

[@brendanmccormack8374]

@@honesty_-no9he That’s because your governments aren’t run by petroleum companies

[@jonny-b4954]

14:10 Poor people, they're going to have SO MANY issues with that roof how that was done.

[@Cenlalowell]

Yep that was terrible

[@dudleyhaines9826]

Repairing a roof leak becomes a nightmare. Roofers won't touch solar. The solar people have to come out and remove the installation and re install after the roofers are done. How much $$$$ is that? And a scheduling nightmare.

[@sakakaka4064]

Okay, but how much money do you save up by having a solar roof?

[@dudleyhaines9826]

@@herrtichy the problem is the expense. How much so you think it will cost to remove and replace a solar installation, and fix the roof. Its a deal killer.

[@kevinmeador3503]

@@dudleyhaines9826 Removing a few panels isn't really that big a deal but before you buy solar panels it is always recommended to get your roof inspected! Most solar Panels are warrantied for 10 - 20 years and can last for much longer of course. A cheap roof lasts for at least 20 years and solar panels actually help protect your shingles.

[@lothean2099]

The fact that I still see ads on KZbin promoting tesla solar. I wanted to look into tesla sola, but now, I think ill research other solar companies and check the better business burea and consumer reports on them. Loved this video. Tesla, get your act together.

[@saxonderohan9723]

As someone who has been invested in solar, but cares deeply about aesthetics, I was very excited about the Tesla solar roof when it was first unveiled. The rollout has been extremely long and painful. I love the idea, but the execution has been sorely lacking.

[@quantumfineartsandfossils2152]

In public on twitter Elon Musk is the hero of pro domestic terrorist pro abuse pro racism pro misogyny pro child abuse Chinese communist Nick Land @outsideness & musk wants to own the United States to do this he has to over throw the government which would be global suicide for our species he should do business in china not here he is unamarican he comes from Africa .. he does not care about the environment (nfts & other projects he works on fashion he loves they are destroying the planet) or people or art or reality ...he grooms & abuses anyone who has any kind of ideology left right and says whatever anyone wants to hear to manipulate them because his best friends are Nick Land & Nick Szabo & he loves Trump & Julian Assange ... & his friend peter thiel owns palantier and even if would be a great if not good thing for the fbi to get a back door at twitter & serve countless ransomware virtual warrants to all the criminals there it wont solve musks problems with lack of literacy on all these things or the fact that he has a communist wife who admires Phil Spector and Marilyn Manson or anyone who tortures or abuses women

[@nasis18]

It does look cool.

[@encinobalboa]

If it worked as promised, the free market would quickly gravitate towards them. Something is wrong with the tech or the economics of solar.

[@cme98]

Yeah its called fraud.

[@UdumbaraMusic]

Like every other product Musk pushes it's an unfeasible lie made to drive up stock prices or manipulate the market in some way. It's beyond a joke at this point.

[@doubleclutchonline5811]

I had solar installed last November. I couldn't do Tesla panels on my home because they don't install on flat roof homes in the northeast. So I with with Suncity panels and the Tesla power wall to capture the excess energy. Overall, I couldn't be happier. Some months I pay less than $20, and my August and September electric bills which are usually around $1200 was only $350 this year. And the power wall has kept the house lit during the 10 brief outages in the past year.

[@prasadt772]

I do have to point out that most of the delay is from state utilities regarding inspection, permits and their ridiculous approval process

[@eyelikescifi]

Indeed. My grandfather waited 6 months in NJ for the state to come and inspect the system he had installed. It took only a couple weeks to install and hook up the system.

[@Brandon_letsgo]

Nope. Elon Musk is a con man.

[@Danish_Khan1021]

@@Brandon_letsgo no he's not. It's just that he isn't perfect, and he makes many mistakes. Solar Roof has been greatly mishandled, but it still has potential to be everything Elon promised it would be. It's a case of easier said than done. An example of a con man would be Trevor Milton. Elon is no Trevor Milton.

[@asandax6]

Why is solar being regulated and inspected. Isn't it your own house you're putting it on so any problems are your own and not the Governments.

[@prasadt772]

@@Brandon_letsgo Look man, for whatever reason you hate that guy, I can't do anything about it. Best way to deal with the person you hate is to avoid them.

[@CaraMarie13]

It's insane that those people are paying that much for solar panels. My aunt installed solar panels in her home and it only cost $5k (which is still insane in my book) and they have never had issues with it. We need to stop turning things like electric cars and solar energy into status symbols.

[@LordSaliss]

$5k for what, like a 2.4kw system with 6 panels? lol

[@bigthunder7002]

$5k? Lmao.

[@ph-vf5hx]

But does she have an mobile app with a futuristic interface? Why does it feel like tesla customers ALWAYS have more money than sense?

[@CaraMarie13]

@@LordSaliss there are incentives programs in NYC that pay substantial per KW and my uncle works in construction with experience in electrical wiring and plumbing so he was also able to coordinate the labor. Obviously, he had all the ingredients to make the switch but thats not the case for most people in this country since not all states and cities are willing to make the investment.

[@SSGoatanks]

Toyota's 2023 Prius offers an optional $610 solar panel roof feature for passive charging while the car is parked outside so why couldn't Tesla Models do something similar?

[@sphaera3809]

The vision is great, but without proper execution it is just hype.

[@kamisatoayaka9039]

320?.. woah .. thats expensive.. the f ... im glad my Goverment hold and took over water, electric and other necessities.. plus control the price

[@erikson024]

It is worse... It is fraud.... Overpromising while knowing well that you can't deliver something is a scam

[@ShimaParty]

@@erikson024 its crazy all these comments ,believe it's possible what he's saying. IT didnt happen NOT BECAUSE Elon didnt care, IT didnt happen becasue the way it's presented it's currently IMPOSSIBLE.

[@garikj766]

Totally agree. A name + hype

[@christianh2581]

I never understood the solar roof concept anyway. Every where in the world a lot of people install ordinary solar panels on there roof and it just works. To say that solar will only take of when it will look like ordinary shingles ... does not make sense to me.

[@mauriceclemens3286]

Tesla roof is obscenely expensive. I have a solar city roof and needed to have it removed from my roof to replace the shingles. It took 6 months to get through to Tesla to remove them,Tesla was difficult to deal with,and put me off for months. I did eventually get my roof replaced,but Tesla made the experience miserable.

[@boaz2578]

What do you mean by miserable?

[@doughesson]

Sounds like they don't want competition to ease life for you when you need roof repairs.

[@WhiteWolfos]

That's about the normal time, maybe longer by 1-2 months average but you gotta remember pandemic is still going and SC is technically understaffed too

[@Deontjie]

But I saw a video of a man who bought such a roof and he was happy with the price and performance.

[@OmmerSyssel]

Why didn't you change the roof before mounting solar? Shouldn't be that difficult to estimate the state of a simple roof

[@paulf3353]

Tesla shouldn't be going into installation part. They should sell batteries, inverter, but not installing solar. This is a huge responsibility.

[@scottmichaels1764]

They bought Solar City, at one time the largest residential PV installer in the US.

[@JustMe-on3xs]

Maybe they are using the brand name to get some people who may not have been interested in solar to become interested. It sounds like a headache to deal with tesla solar. If someone had enough space to where they could have panels installed that weren't on the roof it is probably more scalable for the mass market.

[@lifeisgood339]

you don't know dude you just dont know

[@jingjing8560]

Its obvious he was and is trying to put all the hypes together under tesla, look at the stock price thats what he wanted

[@atenas80525]

Thanks for being honest and not sweeping the problems under the rug for the "cool kid"

[@thetrainhopper8992]

The wife of the guy calling Elon his uncle, the cringe.

[@alexandersparks1634]

😂fckn hilarious

[@jaffnaaaththal2619]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGmoaGuehcaroac

[@volvo09]

These people.... Omg...

[@GNOBNX]

@@alexandersparks1634 💯🤣

[@GNOBNX]

@@volvo09 Coolaid consumers…🤣

[@davidmaddon554]

The poor customer service is unacceptable, the delay was do to all the engineering teams moved to the Model 3 efforts.

[@gregdavison4458]

Good companies don’t just move people somewhere and not replace them. I know you get that but no justification for poor operations…

[@davidmaddon554]

@@gregdavison4458 who do they replace them with? Tesla buying them out saved their jobs, Tesla and SpaceX. 😂

[@davidmaddon554]

@@gregdavison4458 good and evil bwahahahaha there is no such thing.

[@davidmaddon554]

@@gregdavison4458 and the profits from the Model 3 are now funding the solar efforts. So 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

[@davidmaddon554]

@@gregdavison4458 would you have rather had them all the former solar city employees and the Tesla employees laid off and all the investor including the employees lose everything? Because those were the tie choices.

[@RoIIingStoned]

Someone needs to step forward and make solar panel installation more streamlined and stable. They would make so much freaking money

[@phoebeaurum7113]

@Zack Smith China would make them cheap but not stable.

[@gordonadams5891]

Try selling your house with Tesla solar panels. You need an attorney just for that aspect

[@mattgoff3352]

I don’t have solar tiles, but got panels and batteries last year. Process for me was great. My only complaint was i couldn’t fit as many panels as i wanted to on my roof. Tesla subcontracted the work, and i had a very positive experience with Northwest solar and electric in seattle. Love the app, and have had several people order solar from tesla based on my experiences.

[@jaffnaaaththal2619]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGmoaGuehcaroac

[@timberwolfe1645]

Shame. I bet they got screwed because of your recommendations.

[@dooder126]

So you mean to say, Tesla hired a firm with competency in engineering and installing solar arrays, and the process proceeded to go smoothly? Wow. Super impressive!

[@xiaoka]

@@dooder126 they use local contractors. That’s not a surprise.

[@GoatDirt]

@@xiaoka Thats how it works. They don't fly people from California to all spots in the world to do installs dude, grow the F up and learn how the world works. I bet you think your food was also not locally grown and sourced? How about your water source? 🤦🏽

[@mobayguy]

1st Rule of Customer Satisfaction: UNDER-promise and OVER-deliver And you can't sell Freedom that gives the customer no control

[@andreo]

I will be going solar soon. Perhaps in the next 3-4 years. However, I think I'm going to go the DIY route. It's not hard. The equipment prices are falling and the systems are becoming more integrated and easier to work with. Going this route today I'm looking at about 4k-6k in cost and it will take me a bit more installation time vs having a crew install it.

[@quantumfineartsandfossils2152]

In public on twitter Elon Musk is the hero of pro domestic terrorist pro abuse pro racism pro misogyny pro child abuse Chinese communist Nick Land @outsideness & musk wants to own the United States to do this he has to over throw the government which would be global suicide for our species he should do business in china not here he is unamarican he comes from Africa .. he does not care about the environment (nfts & other projects he works on fashion he loves they are destroying the planet) or people or art or reality ...he grooms & abuses anyone who has any kind of ideology left right and says whatever anyone wants to hear to manipulate them because his best friends are Nick Land & Nick Szabo & he loves Trump & Julian Assange ... & his friend peter thiel owns palantier and even if would be a great if not good thing for the fbi to get a back door at twitter & serve countless ransomware virtual warrants to all the criminals there it wont solve musks problems with lack of literacy on all these things or the fact that he has a communist wife who admires Phil Spector and Marilyn Manson or anyone who tortures or abuses women

[@Dylan-yf5tj]

You void the panel warranty if not installed professionally.

[@patrickcorcoran4828]

I would recommend getting pricing for the install as well as the kits because I have seen companies sell the DIY kits for more than the price of a full install and claim you are saving money. You also need to line up an electrician ahead of time if you need to do a line-tie at the electrical panel or meter.

[@josephastier7421]

@@patrickcorcoran4828 The connection of anything to the power grid is only done by the power company. You are the electrician on a DIY job at your own house. All you need is a permit and completed inspections and they will do it for you.

[@josephastier7421]

@@Dylan-yf5tj False. No panel manufacturer would limit their market with such a restriction.

[@davidrosa9901]

I been in solar sales for 7 years now I’m Houston Texas. So many homeowners getting screwed by Tesla.

[@That-Guy_]

My Tesla solar panels and powerwalls got me through the 44hr Houston blackout ☀️⚡🏡

[@gnashsang]

Over 10K for just the storage batteries. That’s not including solar panels, or connecting to the power grid, or the installation fees.

[@IL_Bgentyl]

They won’t let you get the batteries without the solar anymore either. I was going to buy 3 to power my home during peak times to offset the coast.

[@matttzzz2]

@@IL_Bgentyl wait what? Wtf? What if i just want the batteries? We're forced to get their solar panels as well? What if we already have solar from a different company? Imagine if they want you to remove the competitor's solar panels to install their own...ooof

[@IL_Bgentyl]

@@matttzzz2 maybe, I was looking about 3 mo ago just for batteries and it said they were a package deal. I found some other brands.

[@theedspage]

Sounds like a rip off.

[@That-Guy_]

My Tesla solar panels and powerwalls got me through the 44hr Houston blackout ☀️⚡🏡

[@brianpretzel9253]

For what it probably cost you..I will pass..Solar should be a no brainer, 100K for a roof is not only ridiculous, its not accessible for 95% of the population...

[@That-Guy_]

@@brianpretzel9253 11.34kw solar panels 2 powerwalls $41k

[@brianpretzel9253]

@@That-Guy_ Thats about 17 years of power bills @200 a month at a typical power company.. I bet those panels or powerwalls dont last that long.. Im not a hater @That Guy.. Just saying it doesn't make financial sense to install solar at this pace.. Best of luck to you sir..

[@Dave-wh6sb]

@@That-Guy_ Still not worth that kind of money.

[@That-Guy_]

@@brianpretzel9253 Solar panels have a 25yr warranty The batteries have a 10yr I live in Houston so i have to worry about hurricanes and winter storms cutting power to the area. The batteries were expensive but worth the piece of mind and I didn't have any pipes burst like a lot of other in my area because my house was always warm this past February. If i only got the panels it would be a 9yr ROI.

[@xxxblanco]

dude's roof looks like it's about to cave in due to poor maintenance but has a solar installation CLOWN SHOW

[@Shiusen]

As much as I admire Elon Musk, I have to admit he's a really good used car salesman as much as he is an engineer.

[@janeblogs324]

But he's not an engineer. He's designed and patented nothing under musk so far. He literally is Edison. He buys other companies with patents like Tesla, then uses clout to get investors to make the company profitable

[@903lew]

@@janeblogs324 That’s a really apt comparison, thank you for that.

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

@@janeblogs324 Do you know english?

[@dkyoandblade]

@@janeblogs324 an engineer isnt an inventor

[@ruminationstation4200]

@@dkyoandblade he has never held anything that could even generously be called an engineering role within Tesla. He's primarily a business man with an undergrad in physics (which even that is so wildly different from engineering. Engineering courses are way more devoted to taking academic theory into real world applied settings than physics course work is. Like my friends who majored in physics were learning about the ins and outs of why an equation worked, my class was handed the equation said "it works, just trust that it works. Now here's what we can *do* with that equation") For someone with an undergrad in physics and holds a management position in the company to run around acting as if he is an engineer is honestly disrespectful. (Which is not surprising honestly, based on some of the things I've heard or read about the way he actually treats the non-adminsitrative/executive staff.)

[@coorbin]

I am an actual SolarGlass Roof 3 customer (probably the only one, or nearly so, in this comment section) and it mostly works as advertised. I have two PowerWalls also. It works well, generates about half of my household electricity usage, and hasn’t leaked or had any problem in 18 months.

[@saradahouseware4024]

1. Service (Install the system, make it operational, period) - and don't promise unless they can deliver it. 2. Customer complaints should be addressed ASAP because they are paying huge amounts of cash. 3. Repeat.

[@LP-MeAndMyShadow]

Tesla needs to quit fighting customers. Instead, treat the homeowners as test engineers. Tesla needs to embrace these volunteers who are feeding Tesla tons of free hands-on data and information. The issues are not customer complaints. They are consequences of real-time, live testing of solar infrastructure.

[@stldweller]

All of a sudden you know how to run a multibillion dollars corporation….

[@LP-MeAndMyShadow]

@@stldweller MAKING A REASONABLE SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM OUTWEIGHS BELITTLING.

[@VincentHuijts]

I don't get the BS about scalable, it literally gets custom installed per house (like a roof).

[@MrBassbump]

Most house roofs don’t have enough sq ft to satisfy the houses needs for photovoltaics currently.

[@vintageexcellence]

Scalability has to do with manufacturing the product in the volume needed in the price that is reasonable. Elon always claims his stuff is 10x cheaper - he is lying. They can’t make a roof that is cheaper or even the same price as a new roof + new solar.

[@borischan5252]

Elon is a master BSer. What do you expect. Sheeps eat them up

[@MM12684]

I am a roofer. There’s a reason that there are no national roofing companies... I knew this was DOA

[@Sphere723]

@@MM12684 Yeah, construction is notoriously resistant to the sort of productivity increases seen in manufacturing. It requires a lot of skill, a lot of local knowledge, a lot of experience and a lot of coordination. I'm a contractor and would never use a designer or sub-contractor that wasn't local even if it were cheaper. Building things out in the real world is very different than in a factory.

[@paulf3353]

"Prototypes are easy, mass production is hard" - that part didn't age well in terms of Tesla Solar

[@nicholasthon973]

It is proving the point. It’s aging quite well.

[@lindajoy2845]

NEVER FALL IN LOVE WITH A STOCK, NEVER FALL IN LOVE A CEO BECAUSE THEY NEITHER KNOW YOU OR CARE ABOUT YOUR PORTFOLIO - INVESTING SHOULD BE UNEMOTIONAL.

[@jacksonrogger6228]

Hello, I'm new to Biticon trade and I've been making huge losses but recently i see a lot of people earning from it. Please can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?

[@smithrogger4851]

All you need now is a professional trader else you will continue making losses.

[@Elite7178]

When

[@rattoh]

Never listen to msbnc news for financial advice

[@TheStarBlack]

Especially when they lie through their teeth

[@brunsomarrr]

21:20 Oh, solar is going to be widespread. It's just not going to be Elon Musk who makes it happen 😂

[@crhu319]

I have a 20 year old rolled up flexible solar shingle. It generates about 18W at 9V. It laps like conventional shingle. I don't see why many small tiles would be superior to a few rolls paid out horizontally.

[@chaoyoong9987]

ideas are perfect on paper...its when commercializing that get into hiccups. Evidently this is exactly why thinking about a concept may never be commercially viable. Success is when an idea transitioned commercially and making money. If continued support from Elon maybe just maybe Solar City may come up with a working product

[@Ahoto_papa_bi]

thats why Rivian is a scam. They only have model/concept cars but can never commercialize it.

[@truantray]

@@Ahoto_papa_bi You can buy Rivians right now. Can you buy a Cybertruck? Musk has failed on all his businesses. While Stans have inflated Tesla stock, the only way the company made money was from carbon credit sales to other auto companies who no longer need to buy them. Then there is Hyperloop, the Boring Project, the Tesla Semi, ...send Elon more money.

[@Ahoto_papa_bi]

@@truantray so you want to compare Rivian to cyber truck but not model s, model 3, model x? You picking and choosing what makes your argument work? 😂😂😂 you are pathetic.

[@chaoyoong9987]

@@truantray we do need pioneers who failed as well as succeeded. Long time ago Jetsons the cartoon series had flying cars n driverless cars - the latter is here now. then we had star trek series where wireless communication devices and hologram deck -all coming true...it is okay to fail initially but to succeed in the end

[@Cthulhu4President]

"Success is when an idea transitioned commercially and making money." That's an incredibly narrow view of success being that even a good idea with good execution can fail because someone with more money didn't want you to succeed. Corruption like that is a core principle in American business.

[@robertmarmaduke9721]

Used to work at director level for a large commercial property owner, these solar snake oil salesmen would come in and tell us how we could get a steady revenue stream by reverse metering, and it wouldn't cost us a thing, if we let them drill 1,000 holes in the roof of our government leased buildings. So I asked for the evaluations, you know, solar illumination during the day, month and year, panel efficiency, conversion and metering losses, utility buy-back rates and tax rebates, and ... nothing. They're just tax rebate scam artists. Sign here. And here. And here. But the warranty is just one year, and property insurance wont cover the roof leak, or circuit shorts or flaming panel repairs! Good luck trying to resell the property without huge loss. We did our own scientific research and found for PacNW only July and August would produce a little net-metering income. Think of all the retired elderly these scam artists are stealing $30,000 to $40,000 from, while destroying their home value!

[@Z71Ranger]

So pleased I found this video... You just saved me $42,000.00 I have decided to not sign the contract with Tesla...

[@cdcurry1203]

I have watched many videos about Tesla solar and power walls and in each one the primary problem was tech support for the customer from Tesla. It seems that many run into problems during the install process, their electricians are not use to the product or they have to hire a specialist to install the roof tile. Anyways the costs add up and the process can be frustrating but I think it will get easier over time.

[@drwisdom1]

Actually, the problem is the technology not the people.

[@radoddd7539]

Soon or late will work out. Tesla did, SpaceX did and solars will.

[@Uuber2Jupiter]

Ex tesla energy employee. 80% of their customer support is temps. Thats the BIGGEST reason the service is so poor. I'd spend 3 hours being trained on utility contracts. Only to be put in a different department the next day. No one ever new what we were doing it was so uncomfortable talking to customers because we didn't have a single answer for them. They wouldn't even let me come to the office to give them the computer equipment back. They just reported it stolen the day after laying me off. They called a few weeks later to work since I still had a laptop. Took 2 days for tech support to take the "stolen lock" off the laptop. Layed me off again a month later. It was a wild ride..

[@subzeroarctics1299]

It’s the same thing with the cars too. Why worry about service and repair when someone could just buy a new car? Sustainability!

[@vaibhavagarwal3060]

@@subzeroarctics1299 not really. Tesla mobile service is pretty good

[@JackMaverik]

Tesla solar customer here. Took 2 years to get everything right and multiple calls/emails. But ultimately the price was right and I'm generally happy with the product. The rest of the solar industry is a scam with the way they sell the product. They wont tell you the cost without seeing your electric bill and seeing how much that can pad the profit. Tesla 4kw system was 9,000 before tax incentives Next cheapest quote was 17,000. Like that price gulf made the customer service issues kind of worth it (but only just barely)

[@mikicerise6250]

Pssh. Man, that sounds like the premium experience I could get by randomly finding a bricklayer for a few hundred euros. 🤣

[@cozzihoffmaann]

If you live in Australia. It’s fair to say things did work out. Hence why the Australien government is heavily investing in this company

[@franciscoshi1968]

I live in Australia and have solar. In here not installing solar is crazy. Solar generally will pay for it self in 3yrs. There are lots of dodgy installers here but nothing as bad as what is being described here. Also the cost over there is ridiculous. I once checked the cost of the parts to compare to the cost of getting a system installed and in Australia the subsidies roughly cover the cost of the labour. In here you can get an 8kw system for about $6k.

[@KeithBab]

I'd really love to see an investigation into why solar is so expensive in the US. Almost everything else is dirt cheap in the US compared to Australia, but when it comes to solar, the US seems ridiculously overpriced.

[@janeblogs324]

@Harry Groundwater it's easy to sell, but new current tarrifs are like 4c per 100 you create. We have the OG 60c tarrif. But if we sell our house the new owner loses the 60 and becomes 4c.

[@ronblack7870]

@@KeithBab much of it is labor cost and many delays due to govt workers " working" from home. causes many delays in approvals.

[@KeithBab]

@@ronblack7870 Delays are annoying, but not really costly. US labor costs are low, you have a much lower minimum wage than Australia. Where does the money actually go?

[@pyrotvfun]

As a previous employee of Tesla solar, yes the parts are foreign, and just before the pandemic lockdowns we were having supply chain issues because of the parts coming from China. And when I was working there they didn't even scale up fully to a mass production level fully.

[@Madame702]

You know that a lot of people have been buying solar panels in Texas and Tesla power walls as well. I hear demand is really strong.

[@hunterelmore1746]

I like the green screened background when that mizuho guy is talking.

[@xristintern5421]

lmfaoo his penthouse view

[@JuanLopez-rs2oz]

The guy said we love you uncle Elon 🤣🤣 and his wife was so ashamed

[@dyluxekicks]

Tesla runs their panels in series... meaning the panels operate like a string of Christmas lights... if panel #1 is performing at 50% the rest in the system also perform at 50%... (almost fell for the pretty marketing of Tesla when buying solar, but all the customer service issues with project managers mentioned in this video are accurate I had the same issues when working through the Tesla Solar process)

[@niklas6519]

Bascially every solar company installs panels like that. They chain up multiple. But not the whole roof. And as long as they are tilted in the same direction this works.

[@shaymcquaid]

@@niklas6519 He is talking series vs. parallel. Panels in groups of parallel AND series won't be ALL crippled if some of the panels are shaded.

[@onlybananas4653]

@@shaymcquaid one panel cover won’t cripple the whole system tho.

[@quantumfineartsandfossils2152]

In public on twitter Elon Musk is the hero of pro domestic terrorist pro abuse pro racism pro misogyny pro child abuse Chinese communist Nick Land @outsideness & musk wants to own the United States to do this he has to over throw the government which would be global suicide for our species he should do business in china not here he is unamarican he comes from Africa .. he does not care about the environment (nfts & other projects he works on fashion he loves they are destroying the planet) or people or art or reality ...he grooms & abuses anyone who has any kind of ideology left right and says whatever anyone wants to hear to manipulate them because his best friends are Nick Land & Nick Szabo & he loves Trump & Julian Assange ... & his friend peter thiel owns palantier and even if would be a great if not good thing for the fbi to get a back door at twitter & serve countless ransomware virtual warrants to all the criminals there it wont solve musks problems with lack of literacy on all these things or the fact that he has a communist wife who admires Phil Spector and Marilyn Manson or anyone who tortures or abuses women

[@disciprine]

Recently had Tesla solar installed. This is absolutely true. I'm so glad this video has gone out and hope Tesla gets it's crap together. My install is still waiting finish but they magically disappear once they had my money.

[@PaulHo]

Damn, the roof costs as much as the car!

[@aerosoapbreeze264]

100K - I almost spit my coffee ffs

[@BatsiraiMusuka]

To me SolarCity is way more important than Tesla to get right. I am rooting for it to come to proper fruition. Love from Zimbabwe 🇿🇼

[@mk1st]

Roofing is a specialty trade. It's no surprise a full roof install of panels with all the custom pieces needed would be much more difficult and time consuming than a regular roof alone. Hype and salesmanship does not negate this fact.

[@notsure5876]

Good point. Roofing WAS a specialty trade. I was a roofer most of my life and I stopped bc the entire world is overrun by idiots. I did slate and copper roofing and nowadays it’s extinct bc the people demand junk and the roofers got good at supplying junk and no longer have the skills. There is literally no demand for quality roofing and the modern roofers have no real skill. Modern products do not require skills to install. It’s all been lost. That’s just the roofing end. All of construction is this way and add that to the fact that solar does not work long term. The money you invest is more than you will ever recover. The whole thing is a bust. The man is just selling stupid ideas to a dumbed down herd so he can acquire the energy he needs to get to space. Funny enough he’s selling us our destruction to get there. It’s a huge move and I don’t blame him at all. It’s genius. It’s the best chance we got at a new start without billions of idiots at the helm.

[@dildoshwagins2222]

I’m in Louisiana everyone pretty much with a blue tarp on their roof I’m sure these things won’t fly off like the average cheap leaky shingles

[@clitisswood7330]

Obvious but idiots who can't handle a hammer or a screw driver can't understand that and are easy prey for these snake oil doctors !

[@jarjarbinks6018]

It’s also important to know that Tesla isn’t the only player in the Solar Panel market. I got solar panels installed for investment purposes around 4-5 years ago before Tesla panels were a thing and am on track to break even due to the residual payments I’ve received from the electrical grid in return for my house supplying them with energy. The life cycle of my panels will probably only be up to 30 years at the most which is one of the only downsides to this industry at the moment since the return on investment reaches a plateau once the solar panels have finished their life cycle. Once the industry figures out how to extend the life cycle of these panels or even possibly reuse them more people will be interested in investing

[@IvanAkinfiev]

I'm sure that panels will be way more efficient in 25 years from now

[@adik4919]

Plus efficiency of panel decreasing each year proportional. Also keep in mind expenses on roof/panel cleaning for maximum capacity. So it’s better to wait for next transformation of this product.

[@jaffnaaaththal2619]

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[@dannydaw59]

That's what scares me out of solar: They're improving too quickly.

[@LiLBitsDK]

@@dannydaw59 lol not THAT quickly, but they do get cheaper to make, but their performance are slowly increasing