Why the anti-vaccination movement is wrong - BBC Newsnight

[@frogg5949]

I’m genuinely scared to scroll down Before you scroll remember curiosity killed the cat.

[@toxictryhard9687]

Me too. You may not see me again. Good luck.

[@littlebat10sparkles3]

Godspeed you magnificent bastard! Right back at you buddy! Wait, you didn't say that!

[@theslav-combineempire2997]

@nikon12x42 OMG FUCK OFF

[@barbatvs8959]

What a vague and therefore meaningless post you got there Mr. Listens to the establishment but not anyone who questions it, AKA Mr. Gullible.

[@enigmatic7164]

@nikon12x42 your precious

[@theshyguitarist4536]

Inner monologue: Don't look at the comments section... Don't look at the comments section... You'll regret it... Goddamit.

[@ParticleJesus]

Don't look at the people who have different opinions to you, it may be too frightening to handle.

[@atyj1]

Thanks for using opinions to argue against facts, after all "You can prove anything with facts" eh?

[@eoinenglish7659]

@@ParticleJesus are these opinions based on medical/scientific evidence backed up by longitudinal studies? If not, no thanks.

[@ParticleJesus]

Eoin English Why on Earth would I need scientific studies to back up the idea that getting random bureaucrats to inject unknown chemicals into your kids is an inherently risky thing? You people are brainless. You're not even aware that deductive and inductive logic exists. You have replaced your cognitive capabilities with the abstracts from peer-reviewed journals.

[@ParticleJesus]

I've a question for you Eoin, how do you even know how to take a shit if you can't back that behaviour up from peer reviewed journals?

[@Nathan-zy2lf]

Don't scroll down. Don't scroll down. Don't scroll down. DAMIT

[@agaveboy]

media in 1 out of 10000 cases...

[@HezekiahCrocker]

+Nathan Hahaha! Seriously, it pisses me off that I have no self-control

[@dansyw]

media dude the 1 in 1000 doses is talking about febrile seizures, not the seizures you think. A febrile seizure is a convulsion in a child caused by a spike in body temperature, often from an infection. They occur in young children with normal development without a history of neurologic symptoms. It can be frightening when your child has a febrile seizure, and the few minutes it lasts can seem like an eternity. Fortunately, they're usually harmless and typically don't indicate a serious health problem. And the 20% of serious complications following measles and polio are better ? I dont think so.

[@mexica104]

damn it! LOL

[@ghostrider2901]

What could be more wrong than a manufacturer immune to any liability from their own products.

[@rstevewarmorycom]

It's BECAUSE of these liars that this is NECESSARY because ANY dumbshit can sue!! !! I say PUBLIC BEATINGS for the LIARS!

[@golotdub]

"If you have to be convinced, encouraged, pressed, lied, bribed, forced, intimidated, ridiculed, accused, harassed, punished and criminalized...If all this is necessary to have your consent, you can be absolutely sure that what is advertised and praised, it's not for your own good"

[@kevinbaskin9489]

Absolutely

[@rstevewarmorycom]

NO! When you're brainwashed by uneducated LIARS, this needs to happen to save your ass!!

[@marigoldx9691]

I have officially lost all faith in humanity

[@stupidtreehugger]

Are you stil alive? Then clearly you and the 56 fellow mistaken people that have given your comment a thumbs up are wrong. State what your problem is and will likely receive wonderful relief.

[@stupidtreehugger]

*possibility of. The enaction of which is up to you.

[@gen6778]

@@stupidtreehugger What are you trying to say?

[@barbatvs8959]

I had no faith in you to begin with, so your lack of faith is negligible. :-)

[@roaringwithexcitement1329]

Shut up

[@oneg9759]

it doesnt matter how many years you study medicin, Karen surfs 30 seconds through Facebook and knows it better

[@niklasvilhelm7247]

Lmao XD

[@justuscycling9341]

Experience of many is worth more then a word from a paid stupidass expert. When you get yourself into stuff - you ll be able to understand medical processes and failures, especially caused by the link to the pharmacy industry. After every vaccination - there is always a nationaly scandal. :-/

[@oneg9759]

@@justuscycling9341 show me ur data

[@justuscycling9341]

@@oneg9759 Look out for: Trace Amount Vaxxed 1 & Vaxxed 2 Gardasil - One more Girl (..DR. CHRIS SHAW ALUMINUM IN THE BODY - ONE MORE GIRL EXCERPTS) TrustWHO (german) documentary YT: Hundreds of Colombian girls hospitalized after vaccinations (same from: India, Japan, Russia, Ukraine, Denmark...al over Africa and off course USA...) btw also interesting to watch Vandana Shiva speaking about the gates foundation..

[@aytj2073]

@@justuscycling9341 see this is a problem called mixing correlation with causation

[@FatUberUddersOfChaos]

This comment section is going to be great.

[@lucyhill7965]

Much better than what Newsnight gave us

[@richardellis8193]

Lucy Hill oh fuck off. You are worse than a disease. You are not bright enough to realise it but thick people like you cause more harm than good.

[@lucyhill7965]

I have reseached this topic in detail for 20 years, I know what I am talking about. Stop believing the mainstream propaganda

[@richardellis8193]

Lucy Hill credible citations needed... you know accredited scientific ones. because there's kind of a lot of peer reviewed and scientificly tested evidence suggesting you are full of shit.

[@itsyourboiguyintheblackhoo5269]

@media holy shit your going to every comment, just for the sake of taking a fat shit on everybody. Shut up

[@softmilk9447]

I just love getting polio and measles 😩😩😩👏👏😍😍😍😍 #antivax

[@glorytoukraine5890]

I hope you're kidding, seriously.

[@glorytoukraine5890]

nvm, r/woosh myself

[@libertyprime1710]

Vaccines didn't stop polio and the measles; sanitation did.

[@seances5331]

Liberty Prime isn’t it odd after everyone stopped vaccinating against measles, before it was eradicated, because of a false study disproven many times, it was on the rise again

[@interestingarchive]

Or would you rather be a MUTANT?

[@bwigfors]

Dear BBC, why don't you set up a debate between the parties instead of running down one track? THAT would be quite interesting. This was just... noise.

[@earthspirit516]

What a bright idea. Has anyone considered this?

[@badfellow622]

Agree.What the hell does "ANTI VACCINATION" mean. If science is so settled, I expected guys like Stanley Plotkins, Paul Offit, Peter Hotez, etc will be excited to crush the other side in a debate. I will not even watch this video as this will just be another one of those one sided documentaries that will just an echoing board of the corrupt CDC or FDA. Key questions that need direct answers: 1. Are childhood vaccines tested against a true placebo safety test? 2. Do you agree with vaccine manufacturers legal immunity 3. Where are the placebo-based studies that shows all vaccines DO NOT CAUSE AUTISM (like what the CDC has been saying and echoed by CNN all the time) Until these are settled, I suggest you give everyone a choice of whether they vaccinate or not.

[@eleethtahgra7182]

@nikon12x42 Dude, are you vaccinated? Care to visit that recent outbreak area and be in contact with measles patient? It should be okay right? It would boost your natural immune system right? Or why dont you go to pakistan where polio is still a threat? Only 0.5% would suffer, right? Dude, prove it. Prove that these viruses are just a joke.

[@theslav-combineempire2997]

@@earthspirit516 they need the BBC( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@ThatGuy-rg5zk]

badfellow622 tell me someone who has been injured by a Vaccine (Not including If They where allergic to it) Like If Vaccines causes autism don’t try to respond with “I think” Tell me with a actual fact that is 100% sure it was a vaccines I will wait

[@Vaeuca]

I'm PhD studnet in physiology. I can't think about a single reason not to get vaccinated

[@S2Tubes]

Including the fact that they have caused deaths?

[@jley1823]

I made sure my homosexual son had all the vaccines going and now he has the AIDS. What do you say to that?

[@wodenravens]

"Have you done your own independent research..." Lol.

[@wodenravens]

It's funny because whenever I hear that what people nearly always mean is: "Have you checked the same sources as me and came to the same opinion as me?" And of course, such people nearly always assume that the doctors themselves, 7 years or so of medical school and all, have not "done their own research." Hence: Lol.

[@auroratranceaudio7465]

+Suzy Says are you telling a PhD student to do his own research???? 😂😂😂😂

[@theplotthickens8042]

DR Andrew Wakefield and DR John Walker Smith we’re both struck off for the same vaccine/autism study. DR John Walker Smith appealed and his licence was reinstated conveniently left out of this video.

[@johnnewbold4622]

Wakefield was correct but, being in the Dark Ages, all people who state truth are persecuted.

[@johnnewbold4622]

@Whizper2me I will whisper this to you: Intravenous Vitamin C in the dose range 500mg-700mg per kilogram kills all viruses. Therefore, vaccinations are just plain evil. As the mother of Poppy Murtagh said, "Vaccinations are given to healthy children. Epilepsy and death are not acceptable side effects."

[@theplotthickens8042]

John Newbold It means they were wrong to strike him off.

[@Darkracek]

@@johnnewbold4622 " Intravenous Vitamin C in the dose range 500mg-700mg per kilogram kills all viruses". Damn. And here you are in KZbin instead of collecting your Nobel Prize.

[@johnnewbold4622]

@@Darkracek In 1951 Dr Klenner treated a partially paralyzed 5 year old girl with intravenous Vitamin C. By the 19th day of treatment there was a complete return of sensory and motor function. Yes, one may well wonder why Dr Klenner was not awarded the Nobel Prize for his work. www.doctoryourself.com/klennerbio.html

[@philipocarroll]

I am not anti-vax but I do understand the breakdown I trust with the medical community. Particularly in the US medical science has been terribly corrupted by corporations. Hence we have the opioid epidemic. Hence we see vast numbers of people on statins totally unnecessarily. Hence we see people bankrupted by corrupt providers and insurers.

[@lucyhill7965]

It's true, the trust is gone, they care more about profits than health

[@richhogg8074]

Who is they? You seem to mistake shoddy business practice with shoddy science.

[@roro-mm7cc]

the distrust inn real medicine is a horrible virus that is spreading fast and is actively damaging to all those who come into contact with it.. these people are not serious thinking humans beings and have no understanding of biomedical science. the opioid thing has actually got worse since pharmaceutical companies have had a crack down and doctors have stopped prescribing as many opioids. This is because people who are hooked now have to turn to street heroin often laced with incredibly dangerous street fentanyl causing tens of thousands to overdose. The clean unadulterated pharmaceutical opioids were much safer by comparison as the dose is known and its therefore way harder to accidentally overdose.

[@cheflinguinivlogs9743]

Lucy Hill do you care about the job you do or the money you make Ya see

[@stayroxy]

and over prescription of antibiotics has caused a resistance epidemic. I have been prescribed antibiotics many times and most times they did not test to see if it was viral or bacterial. I tell them I have a sore throat and boom they prescribe you antibiotics but even I know the doctors are supposed to verify if it is bacterial or viral first . intellectually lazy doctors are everywhere

[@barb0138]

Population control

[@eleethtahgra7182]

@Andrea Mendenhall just wait until polio reintroduce itself. Even if they dont die, nobody would want to bone or get boned by a cripple.

[@eleethtahgra7182]

@Andrea Mendenhall dude, polio dont care for your opinion.

[@johnnylr]

@nikon12x42 What the fuck are you on about?

[@johnnylr]

@nikon12x42 Honestly can't tell if you're thick as pig shit, poorly trolling, or both.

[@doomguy7488]

It means when a person wears clothes of a opposite sex

[@kellypitts8481]

I dunno. I got like 7 shots when I was a kid. Does that mean I’m gonna die?

[@Zorpinzorper]

That means your parents were sane and didn’t want you to die.

[@nxchz698]

That means you had good parents.

[@jasonlarsen4945]

It means you probably won't.

[@Parasatchitananda]

If vaccinations work then why are people not allowed to choose whether or not to vaccinate? If they work the vaccinated will not get sick. So why be concerned about people who do not vaccinate?

[@thisslightlysweetlife3402]

Meh...Herd immunity

[@Bluman2]

Really stupid argument. Of course people wouldn't get to choose whether or not to vaccinate because since they work, we would want to have everyone do it. We are concerned about the people who do not vaccinate because they are the ones keeping the disease around. If they got vaccinated the disease would be gone for good.

[@Parasatchitananda]

@@Bluman2 Actually I dare say your comment is one of ignorance. If vaccinations work then people who want to be protected may choose to vaccinate and those who do not wish to be vaccinated may take the risk of having an illness. If the vaccinations work then those who vaccinated need not fear becoming ill. In a free world no one should have any invasive medical treatment imposed upon their body for any reason. So I say again, if vaccinations work then those who choose to vaccinate should feel safe and sound without any fear.

[@Parasatchitananda]

And for the part of the argument about "keeping the disease around" that should be no concern for those who want to vaccinate. Not a problem if you are protected

[@Whitewater_and_Wild_Mushrooms]

@@thisslightlysweetlife3402 Herd Immunity is a total myth. Vaccines are unsafe and ineffective. Most cases of polio now are from vaccines. Measles and Polio vaccines both can cause a potentially harmful "vaccine strain" version of the disease. Look it up at the CDC website to confirm. Go to the section on adverse events. Read. Think. Learn! Note that, as in the wild versions, only those with an already compromised immune system are at risk of death or serious harm. I recommend you dig a little deeper and stop buying into the corporate scam that is the modern vaccine industry.

[@emil.jansson]

People don't know anything but they think they know everything.

[@emil.jansson]

media No there is something called being critical meaning you have to evaluate certain information, and I belive in people WHO acctully have an education i.e. a doctor or a scientist and not some person on the internet.

[@emil.jansson]

media, And the risk of not taking vaccines is even bigger listen to your local health professional and read som medial journals.

[@emil.jansson]

media I have injected my two girls and I consider it child abuse not to fell free to not vaccinate yourself but don't let your children in to this madness!

[@calbanar]

@media You bloody moron, there are hundreds of millions if not billions of people vaccinated in the world. They aren't "intoxicated" or at risk. You idiots are the reason some diseases close to eradication are on the rise. Some vaccines can lead to complications with a very small percentage of the population, but that doesn't exempt you from having to do your part in protecting everyone from plagues. Our ancestors would be mad at you for having the opportunity to avoid some of nature's most cruel diseases yet choosing not to take it, and put others' lives in danger by doing choosing so.

[@igloosoftware]

it is called dunning-krugger effect

[@Georgexb]

Anti vaxxers really make me think that Thanos may have had a point.

[@thespiderqueen.4342]

@mediaYou are not normal.

[@Georgexb]

media Hmm. This is pasted directly from the NHS website on the MMR vaccination under the subtitle “side effects”. As you can see, nowhere does it mention seizures. As there are 3 separate vaccines within a single injection, different side effects can occur at different times. The side effects of the MMR vaccine are usually mild. It's important to remember that they're milder than the potential complications of measles, mumps and rubella. Side effects include: developing a mild form of measles that lasts for 2 to 3 days (this is not infectious) developing a mild form of mumps that lasts for a day or two (this is not infectious) In rare cases, a small rash of bruise-like spots may appear a few weeks after the injection. See your GP if you notice this kind of rash, or if you have any concerns about your child's symptoms after having the MMR jab. Find out how the MMR jab is given This NHS leaflet tells you about the common vaccination reactions in babies and young children up to the age of 5 years. Read the answers to other common questions about the MMR vaccine.

[@littlebat10sparkles3]

If they keep it up, they will.

[@grahamkeates1496]

​@@Georgexb Look again here. "Adverse Reactions": www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf convulsions or seizures; ataxia; polyneuritis; polyneuropathy; ocular palsies; paresthesia

[@bradcampbell5766]

@nikon12x42If you take away the intrinsic bias and add up all the "rare" symptoms they warn you about it approaches the over 50% of sample that has recently been found to be adversely affected by the MMR vaccine within 42 days, and in many cases the adverse reactions happen almost immediately making it clear that the vaccine is worse than the virus it is purported to protect you from! kzbin.info/www/bejne/g36aoaacd7SXh8k

[@nats2976]

Public health focusing on hygiene e.g. flushing toilets, washing hand and quarantine of sick people was the main reason health improved. How do I know this fact? Because the welcome Trust say so. This is the issue, science has differing facts

[@Remake5182]

We also know that food should be kept in a safe place, trough away food that rots and brush our teeth. You forgot to mention thoses, but anyway viruse are not the same thing as germs one is more are born then the other, plus what about worms or even cancer they are just as potant so how come we have to inject and open the human body then.

[@sportysbusiness]

If you question vaccines you are labelled anti vax and criticised. QUESTIONING SOMETHING DOES NOT MAKE YOU ANTI, it just means you are questioning. I question vaccine safety because there are ZERO long term safety studies, (no vaccines are tested against a placebo, only other vaccines) so we actually do not know if they are safe or not. Why does that statement make me someone to ridicule and hate? Regardless of whether or not you believe that vaccines are safe and effective, why would you take the word of the people how make billions of dollars profit every year from them?

[@gregstickels5706]

Not only is the internet deeply personalized, the results of medical studies are deeply personalized as well. If the data does not fit the predetermined outcome, the solution is to destroy the data. Ask Dr Thompson at the CDC.

[@gregstickels5706]

@DM584 Obviously, you have been kept in the dark. Dr William Thompson is a senior research scientist at the CDC. Between 2013-2014 he had over 40 telephone conversations over a 10 month period with Dr. Brian Hooker. Dr. Thompson knew Dr. Hooker, also a research scientist, to be someone that was vocal on the subject of his concerns for vaccine safety. During the conversations, Dr. Thompson confessed that he and his coworkers had issued a fraudulent CDC report, regarding safety of the MMR vaccine. He stated that he and his coworkers were ordered by their superiors at the CDC to destroy the study data that did not agree with the predetermined outcome of the study. Dr.Thompson did not destroy the data as ordered and sent the data to Dr. Hooker for his review.The data, that had been eliminated from the report, showed the same findings that Dr Wakefield and Dr John Walker-Smith had observed during their studies, that there was a significant increase in the incidence of autism in children who received the MMR vaccine prior to 36 months vs those who received it after 36 months. This was particularly significant in black male children. What Dr. Thompson was not aware of, was that Dr. Hooker had recorded the conversations. He continue to work, as a research scientist, at the CDC under the protection of Whistleblower laws. Fast forward a couple of years and Dr Julie Gerberding, former director of the CDC, at the time of the Thompson study, is rewarded with a $2.5 million position as CEO of the vaccine division at Merck, maker of the MMR vaccine and flu vaccines for which she had manufactured several false panics during her reign at the CDC, that had helped generate $billions in sales of flu vaccines.

[@moreau3757]

@@gregstickels5706 could you provide a link to fucking any news site/reliable source that isn't a social media or blog? Or is the government "blocking" this damning truths?

[@Remake5182]

Cherry picking is a real thing on the internet.

[@Emisop]

www.healthychildren.org/English/safety-prevention/immunizations/Pages/Vaccine-Studies-Examine-the-Evidence.aspx www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5402432/ www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4024226/

[@PS-qn4oz]

​@@moreau3757 Bill Posey on CDC Whistleblower Dr. William Thompson and the Vaccine Autism Connection (speech given in Congress) kzbin.info/www/bejne/maWvoq17aNitgrM

[@joedwards470]

400 peer reviewed studies giving factual scientific evidence of the harm vaccines can and do cause - Millers Review of Critical Vaccine Studies - Neil Z Miller . I highly recommend educating yourself on the subject.

[@whydoesthishavesreal6696]

400 peer review studies also say no bridge is 100% safe. Oh frick wait the antivaxxers are gonna take the wa-

[@whydoesthishavesreal6696]

@nikon12x42 hi person who seems to hate people who don't agree with their views, I'm innocent. Also it's not sexual abuse. Please check your grammar and don't argue.

[@whydoesthishavesreal6696]

@nikon12x42 CAN I WATCH MY VIDEOS IN PEACE STOP ANGERING ME

[@lightskinche]

@nikon12x42 I know you are trolling but the CDC said they *CAN* cause death in rare cases nothing is 100% safe.

[@lightskinche]

@nikon12x42 yeah the CDC said *CAN* cause death and injury. The vanccine can only do this if you dont read the label so you can see if you are allergic. And if you cant take the vaccine you have to reley on herd immunity. I.E hope that other people take vaccines so that disease doesn't affect you, and im not talking about the flu, im talking about wiped out diseases like polio paralyzing you.

[@david808323]

If vaccines are so safe and effective, why do they keep changing them? And why does the Federal Vaccine Court (USA) keep paying out Billions of dollars in compensation for vaccine injuries?

[@varyolla435]

Around 1985 the world saw the advent of recombinant DNA technology. That new technology radically changed virology and the ability to create new vaccines. Prior to that vaccines were limited to either dead pathogens - which did not work for many viruses - or else attenuated vaccines which worked for some but which in some cases can result in potentially harsh side effects to a small number of sensitive people given that the pathogen is still alive albeit weakened. So from the 1990 onward the development of new vaccines + reformulations of older whole cell vaccines has become possible given new technology. So we have newer and reformulated vaccines - not for any nefarious reasons = but because the technology has improved. It's a simple as that. As to the Vaccine Court. Perhaps it is time to consider what we would have spent in those 30 years had we not employed vaccines and simply allowed millions of people to get sick as used to happen. Those few billion dollars paid out over 30 years is as nothing compared to the estimated trillion+ in healthcare and related costs we would have otherwise had to spend as a result of infectious diseases. Your odds are much-much better with vaccines.

[@amazingbait26]

1. Other things that are effective and have changed and become more effective as a result: - Helmets - Car safety (airbags, seat belts, collision avoidance, crumple zones, etc.) - Computers - Literally anything you see around you since civilization is the result of thousands of years of improvement before any of our time 2. If not for that program, actual vaccine injuries would be drowned out by the Karens and Deborahs reporting every case of autism as a vaccine injury and demanding money (as we see today) resulting in the industry going belly-up and nobody receiving any actual compensation. They are allowed to stay in the program as long as the vaccines can be shown to be safe.

[@amazingbait26]

What data supports your idea? Are you just regurgitating ideas or did you form your views scientifically?

[@amazingbait26]

That is... Not established, you just made that up to make me look bad, which you wouldn't need to do if you had actual data to back yourself up with. Why not do something useful like compare the health outcomes of vaccines to the diseases they prevent? Is that asking too much?

[@amazingbait26]

@media Literally the next sentence which you selectively ignored from your own source: _"In fact, MMR-related seizures are less frequent than seizures that occur as a direct result of a measles infection."_ Which actually answers my last question: _"Why not do something useful like compare the health outcomes of vaccines to the diseases they prevent?"_ You would side with the method that is more likely to cause a seizure? Sounds like you're 'involved in promoting the harm of children.' "no seizure is safe, and the NHS also admit that vaccines can and do kill, and so do the cdc here" An extremely rare side effect is death. Every time you drive a car, the chance of death being a side effect is higher than for every vaccine. Other things that kill people: - Vending machines - Champagne corks - Saunas - Escalators Saying "vaccines can kill people" is meaningless when just about anything _can._ To be more than just an annoying voice with too much internet access, you would need to show the risk of death from vaccines is higher than the risk of death from the diseases they prevent, which would actually mean something. Humor me!

[@badassmommy6527]

If vaccines are really safe and effective then the manufacturers of these so very safe vaccines should give up the protection of having no liability for their safe product. After all a safe product would not be a liability that these companies need to be protected from. Vaccines are safe...right?

[@varyolla435]

Ok = riddle me this please: 1 - "who" is responsible for overseeing vaccine production and creating the regulations which govern it? 2 - "who" is the primary customer for vaccines? 3 - "who" creates the vaccine schedules which determine who gets what and when? 4 - "who" upon buying said vaccines then distributes them for administration per the schedule they created? When you answer these 4 queries = you "should" understand why what you posted is actually the wrong question. Have a nice day.

[@anonwa4309]

BadAssMommy you’re a good driver right? you shouldnt have car insurance. you are 35 and healthy? you shouldnt have health insurance. the business have those insurances just in case, just like you have insurance.

[@badassmommy6527]

@@anonwa4309 What are you talking about? Who's talking about insurance? I was talking about vaccines are a non liability product. Meaning that if you get sick or injured by that vaccine you can NOT sue the business that made it because our government gave these businesses immunity from liability. These businesses don't need insurance because when their product injures or kills someone it's not them that pays out. It's the government...

[@alyssamackenzie8978]

“If pharmaceuticals and prescribed medication is really safe and effective then the manufacturers of these so very safe vaccines should give up the protection of having no liability for their safe product. After all a safe product would not be a liability that these companies need to be protected from. Pharmaceutical drugs are safe... right?” If your logic is so correct it should be applied to all medications and drugs that doctors prescribe. I hope you don’t accept any medications in the future because should you have any known and conveyed side-effects then the drug or medication clearly isn’t safe. If I have an allergic reaction to any medication I shall be sure to notify people this medicinal drug isn’t safe at all because my specific reaction should account for all and determine whether a drug that works for the majority is safe or not.

[@badassmommy6527]

@@alyssamackenzie8978 Drug companies have liability. If they knowingly sell a medication that causes injury they can be sued by those injured by their medication. If a vaccine company knowingly sells a vaccine that causes injury they can not be sued by those injured. They have no liability. Liability encourages companies to sell a safe product. And yes I do believe that if you had an allergic reaction to a medication you should at least let your doctor know. Maybe you're not the only one. Maybe you find out that 50% of people that took that medication had a similar allergic reaction to it. Maybe that's why they decide to pull that medication from the market. If no one reported their individual problems how would anyone ever know on a bigger scale if any product was safe? And if it's a known reaction then I believe that each person should be informed and make the decision themselves if they are going to use it or not. So not the same thing at all. Even when the company makes both medication and vaccines they CAN be sued over medication and they can NOT be sued over the vaccines. Why is it wrong to want every company to be liable for any damages that their product causes? Especially when they knowingly put out a inherently dangerous product. That "inherently dangerous product" part was actually a quote from the vaccine companies and the reason they gave to congress of why they wanted all liability stripped from them. Vaccines are an inherently dangerous product and we will not continue the vaccine program unless you protect us by removing all liability from all vaccines, is basically what they said.

[@jaymevogl4338]

Yes because you can trust the BBC who are sponsored by the pharmaceutical industry

[@kd8084]

Stupid idiot bitch. This is why you failed our biology class.

[@ottoweininger8156]

The BBC is primarily funded by a licence paid for by UK householders. The rest of its funding comes from selling its programmes to other media, generally abroad, and the government. It isn't funded by the pharmaceutical industry.

[@kd8084]

​@media Is this why you went to community colledge and still failed? In grade 9 you were boasting on how you were going to medical school. Look who's talking.

[@Remake5182]

Why do you think the pharmaceutical industry sponsores the BBC?

[@Somerandomnobodyonyoutube]

Id rather trust trained professionals then a guy with an opinion

[@QuynhNhu17]

Why don’t msm give air time for doctors to have a debate about their different views with evidence on vaccination and let the public decide?

[@uberhoofenhoussen4186]

BBC is being paid by Gates. Murdoch is being paid by Gates. Guardian newspaper is paid by Gates. Gates bought science and scientists to cover this up : docs.google.com/document/d/1y4Ysa7OPnqMIj-NuNVYJnlHGsvbsyqFam8NaQDSSl8o/mobilebasic Checkout who Stefan Lanka is.

[@haldanandpako2755]

Because they don’t want you to know the truth! m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/qWHEnHpji8SMaZI

[@waltlewis9194]

www.ini-world-report.org/2019/12/30/u-s-government-loses-landmark-lawsuit-over-forced-vaccinations/

[@waltlewis9194]

www.ini-world-report.org/2019/12/30/u-s-government-loses-landmark-lawsuit-over-forced-vaccinations/

[@vacaloca5575]

Because the spirit of Hitler has invaded the minds of most humans.

[@kittyclops]

Why didn’t they include people from the anti-vaccination movement in the conversation to speak for themselves rather than have a panel of pure speculation? It seems that if they had done any research at all they would find that the hesitation, in part, comes from thousands of videos of parents of children not “Russian bots” who have been severely injured by vaccinations.

[@kittyclops]

+DM584 if you understood my comment it was to point out that they were speculating bout antivaxxers rather than allow them into the discussion. So I guess fuck those stupid parents, they are only anecdotal not science. If science refuses to study something then it’s not real right? Right. They only ask that science look into why their children were disabled after the MMR. Brian Deer is not a scientist nor a responsible journalist. His boss was on the board at GlaxoSmithKline the makers of MMR for the U.K. Your confidence in regurgitating this dramatic pile of crap doesn’t help. You can listen to a bunch of those antivaxxer dummy parents at “Hearthiswell” if you care. By the way there is only one person who has their doctorate on that panel (in epidemiology/they do population studies) a nurse and a philosophy professor. No medical doctors or biomedical scientists.

[@darwinhoop7930]

Bcause the truth is NOT on their side. Almost ALL recent non-corporate, peer-reviewed science points up the absurdity--and danger--of the official vaccinationist narrative.

[@kittyclops]

@DM584 I think responsible journalism would to let the “antivaxxers” speak for themselves. Instead these people ( mostly the moderator and philosopher) spoke FOR them.

[@kittyclops]

@DM584 the topic was about Anti -vaxers. How do I know if they portrayed them accurately? It’s easy say say things about someone or a group of people without them their to defend themselves. The philosopher practically resorted to name calling. What if people aren’t “arrogant” or maybe they don’t don’t suffer from “knowitallism” and think they know more than doctors. Maybe they are worried about their kids. Science does admit that children get injured sometimes. It says so on the CDC website. If banter Between the moderator and the philosopher was left out then maybe it would’ve been a more productive program.

[@kittyclops]

@DM584 they didn’t have a physician or scientist on the panel.

[@lunarity7405]

Before vaccines: **Half the European population dies from simple disease** Anti-Vaxx Karen: Well just pretend we didn’t see that

[@Akira_xxxx]

Most vaccines were introduced at a point when the infection was decreasing (dramatically). Fact.

[@mavera-5777]

@@Akira_xxxx Shhh don't say that or the pro-vaxxers will start crying again

[@michaelrose8913]

If I get a prick with a needle near me after 80 years, it will only be over my dead body.

[@oneg9759]

oops the vaccination came too late

[@RJ67.]

What is the reason for not wanting to test vaccines the way we test other medication furthermore what is the reason for complete exoneration of liability against those who create the vaccines these are two very big red flags for me. Not to mention countless nurses registered nurses coming out against vaccines. Even at my town meeting nurses are speaking out. These are not people with anything to gain or anything to lose finacally, they are simply speaking out just trying to inform people. 1 in 36 people getting autism in USA verse 1 + 1000 in countries that don't vaccinate. I mean scientifically speaking. those facts alone are cause for concern & extensive testing. There I go thinking for myself again I know I'm not supposed to do it but I can't help myself. God.bless you all

[@RowsieFox]

RJ Vaccines are the most regulated thing we put into our bodies. In the US. It can take up to 20 YEARS of testing for a vaccine to become available

[@RJ67.]

@@RowsieFox that is absolutely not true

[@RJ67.]

what about the liability

[@jakobhancock106]

@@RowsieFox they don't even use real placebos and they don't take anywhere near that long to get on the market what the fuck are you talking about lol. Look up the gardisil vaccine and then come talk to me.

[@chaimomma9198]

Amen.

[@Re-op5fc]

Just pull up their own vaccine inserts read them and find out for yourself!

[@anonwa4309]

Re i would literally willingly have a seizure every time i get vaccinated if it means i can protect someone from getting sick

[@Re-op5fc]

whatwhen999 if you honestly think by you being vaccinated is going to help someone else then you really really really need help! You will absolutely believe ANYTHING! I seriously feel bad for you and any children that you may have. If they’re so great and so “safe”, why aren’t the vaccine manufacturers reliable for their product? Why aren’t they allowed to be sued?

[@guyguy5842]

@@Re-op5fc vaccines saved a lot of lives and probably yours to and they are safe

[@Re-op5fc]

Abdullateef Alkhurafi lmao I had the measles as did my 7 brothers and sisters, had mumps as did 2 of my other sisters and pertussis twice! I was never vaccinated nor my other 7 brothers and sisters and we’re healthier than any other people in I know in their 50s! So therefore they sure didn’t save my life i credit my awesome immune system for that! Again, effective does NOT mean protective and the vaccine inserts themselves say they’re NOT SAFE as did a vaccine court judge, “vaccines are unavoidably unsafe”! Please look into the research yourself don’t take my word for it! Also ask yourself this question, if vaccine are so safe, why are the manufacturers not liable for any injuries they cause? Why do the heads of the CDC and FDA go to extremely high paying jobs at the pharmaceutical companies when they retire? Just follow the money! Start with Vaclib.com and work your way to peoplespharmacy.com and so on! Purchase the book HPV on trial, Sherri Tenpenny’s book “Say No To Vaccines” and so on! At least do it for your kids YOU OWE THEM THAT!

[@guyguy5842]

@@Re-op5fc yes they are safe then why did it save my life and my entire family's life

[@Capt.DanInJapan]

Let me tell you a story about polio. Advances in medicine had allowed the human race to innoculate themselves and their children with a few drops administered orally. The effort that societies went to in rder to spread the word of this was the stuff of legend. In nations like El Salvador, ceasefires were held in order to allow innoculation teams to move freely. In Bengal, some Calcutta hostesses planned to work with working girls to spread the word. Almost everywhere, polio looked to be on the way out, joining smallpox on the list of extinct diseases. Other groups thought differently. Because the drops have to be administered twice, the second is a booster, it only takes a few uninocculated people to allow the disease to survive and spread. In northern Nigeria, a group of religious figures ruled that the polio vaccine was a conspiracy against the faithful. You can already see the aftermath. People travelling from these areas, whether they knew it or not, spread the disease to nations they visited and the whole problem remains with us today. Another story involves a label on a vial of medication. Some of you may see it doing the rounds on social media. It lists something as being 150mg/L, so 150 milligrams per litre, and some people have used this to say that it is poisonous in that dosage, thinking the vial contains 150mg of this ingredient. On the basis of not being able to read the label, some people are willing to risk their children's health and call themselves good people for doing so. I hold anti-vaxxers in a special kind of contempt. Their ignorance, whether it is inspired by their religious background or a misguided sense of feeling more intelligent than others, leads to the suffering not only of their own family, but of others in society, mainly the very young.

[@lucyhill7965]

Polio is a disease of poor sanitation, fix that, don't poison with vaccines

[@richardellis8193]

Daniel Kirk precisely. well said.

[@made-line7627]

I'm afraid you need an education in vaccines. I was an RN for 15 years. I am posting on my daughters profile as we have both spent 1000,s of hours over the past 2 and a half years researching the vaccine movement. I spent time working in the Emergency Department and other wards where I GAVE vaccines to people. I couldn't work in the system today as I am no longer ignorant of the dangers of vaccines. The idea that a "false herd", which is what you get when you vaccinate a population for a disease, instead of waiting for the child to get a CHILDHOOD illness IN CHILDHOOD. This is the ONLY way to be 100% positive that the person won't get the disease again. Within every population that is vaccinated you have between 10 and 12% of people who are primary non responders". This means that these people NEVER have an immune response and not only gain no benefit from the vaccine, but they are perfectly able to shed the viruses they were given. EVERY person who has been given a vaccine sheds the viruses they were given for over a week and EVERYONE they interact with has the capacity to catch that viral strain that WOULD NOT have been in the air and on surfaces except for the vaccinated person. There are 2ndry non responders who have an initial dose of immunity, but it doesn't last very long. This is a bigger problem than is known. In NZ a few years ago there was an outbreak of meningococcal disease in vaccinated children, who incidentally cope less well with these diseases due to the poor functioning of their immune systems, and it was discovered that they no longer had any immunity left as the vaccine was so weak. I'll start part 2 next.

[@made-line7627]

Let's talk about polio! We had the Salk and Sabin vaccines which were supposed to eradicate this disease by the 1970's, but even after billions of doses over 6decades we still have it. Did you know that when the vaccine manufacturers wanted to make it appear as though Sabin's vaccine was effective they "rediagnosed" polio so that instead of the diagnosis being 2 paralytic episodes in 72 hours it became 2or more over 28 days. If you search for polio cases you'll find them in the 3rd world and they are caused BY the vaccines. It's called "non poliomyelitis paralytic syndrome and there are 40K children in India who are no longer able to walk because of the vaccine! Look it up!Lastly let's talk about how vaccines are made and what's in them.AAHPS is a proprietary aluminium compound created by Merck for it's killed vaccines. Its put into a large tub filled with formaldehyde to act as a preservative and to open the blood brain barrier , human and animal DNA from chicken embryos' dog kidneys, monkeys and caterpillars depending on what soup you're concocting. Polysorbate 80, also used to keep icecream stabilized and a known carcinogen (ever wonder at the epidemic of childhood cancers?), and the viral particles themselves. This is made in a " closed system* so when the vaccines are packaged there is NO WAY to tell if there is a "therapeutic dose" in that val! A baby may get a massive dose and an adult male a subclinical dose.A study was done by some curious scientists who discovered the vials contained between subclinical doses to those 1000's of times stronger than required! And people wonder why, when we inject 2of the most neurotoxic metals known to man directly into the bloodstream of foetuses and babies, that we have a generation of children who are brain damaged and much sicker than their parents! BTW, we still have iron lungs, except now they are portable and PEEP devices are used in ICU's every day! This is the truth and it's out there.

[@Capt.DanInJapan]

It's trash like this that allows for diseases like polio to remain a killer throughout the world. You prove nothing with your mad ravings but the truth of the problems I have already stated. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[@bhud6302]

What you said about Dr Wakefield was a blatant lie.. no wonder people are losing faith in journalism

[@BABALAGAJIGAPOO]

Exactly!!

[@helix5441]

What’s a lie

[@janesimmons1861]

read the insert for the vaccine;then decide.

[@wfcoaker1398]

jane simmons Probably would be better to read the stories of the the parents who lived through the dyphtheria and polio outbreaks that caused so much suffering before we vaccinated against those diseases Reading a package insert, you’ll read about complications that, though they have a one in a million chance of happening, drug companies put on the insert so that they can say “We warned you” when that one in a million chance happens and there’s a lawsuit they need to avoid. But the parents who watched their kids suffer with the diseases we vaccinate against now, they’re the ones you should talk to. Because they weren’t one in a million occurrences, there were thousands and thousands of them. Significant vaccine related complications are exceedingly rare, the misery those diseases caused, and the worry and fear they generated, were not rare things at all, deaths from dyphtheria, small pox, polio, measles were common. Paralysis from polio, dyphtheria, and measles sequelae were common. Mental retardation, fetal and infant death from congenital rubella were common. All that suffering has been eradicated by vaccines, and people who have never known those horrors think that the minuscule risk from vaccines is something to be scared of, ignoring the huge risk they take by not vaccinating their kids. So, no, don’t read the package insert, talk to the people who lived through those horrors. There’s only a few of them left now, and they’re all old. Soon, there will be no living memories of what those days were like. But, don’t worry, antivaxxers will make sure there will be another generation that will know. We’re just the lucky couple of generations who got to avoid the fear.

[@wfcoaker1398]

media The risks from vaccines are in the level of one in a million. The risks from the diseases we vaccinate against are on the level of one in a few hundred. The child abusers are the ones who would put their children in a one in a thousand risk of dying a miserable death from tetanus, in which the child will suffer one seizure after another, seizures so strong they break his bones, till he finally dies in agony. The real child abusers are the ones who put their children at risk for dyphtheria, a disease which kills you paralyzing your diaphragm, suffocating you.The real child abusers are the ones who will put their children at risk for polio, where they will be lucky to get out of hospital with crutches and leg braces for the rest of their lives, but will be just as likely to end up in an iron lung or in the graveyard. The real child abusers are the ones who would rather run the very real risk of having to hear the soil rattle on their child’s coffin just so they can feel like some valiant free thinkers standing up to The Man. The real child abusers are the ones whose egos are more important to them than the well being of their own children.The real child abusers are the ones who deny and ignore the very real risks of those diseases while blowing out of all proportion the very slim chance of a vaccine related injury. You’re the one doing the distracting, you’re inflating a tiny threat while ignoring a big one.

[@Remake5182]

You seem like you have read it, so tell us what does it say?

[@littlebat10sparkles3]

Apples contain Cyanide, and people eat THOSE! See what your logic looks like when applied to anything else?

[@OfftoShambala]

best advice you can give to new moms rather than try to convince them not to vaccinate... they won't listen and are unlikely to stand up to the doctors and nurses... but, if you encourage them to at least ask that one reasonable question, the response they will get from the dr or nurse, might leave an indelible impression as I have heard that many of them get offended if you ask such a thing or they refuse... then if they ARE actually given the inserts to review for themselves... and the dr or nurse was perfectly respectful the whole time... at least they are given the opportunity to be informed about something... too bad they have to ask about it and feel uncomfortable asking about it... at least, that is what I have seen some young mothers go through... they seem uncomfortable asserting themselves

[@nusratjahan8982]

Wondering how much big pharma paid to do this video . My son was fully vaccinated but didn't have tiders for any of the virus he had vaccines for yeah he also regressed immediately after his shots !!!!!

[@OfftoShambala]

I try to tell people not to assume they even have immunity just because they got the shots. They don't want to believe it.

[@roaringwithexcitement1329]

"Big pharma" didn't pay them, stop using that crap. I've been vaccinated and I'm not "vaccine-injured". 🖕

[@OfftoShambala]

roaring with excitement I can eat shrimp, but I have a friend whose airways close when she eats shrimp... the acip committee recently approved a new hepatitis vaccine even though 14 people died in the trials, but not everyone died so it’s ok ... keep in mind that this presentation is totally lying about the conclusion Wakefield came to and the reason the gmc took his license ... he never fraudulently established a causational link between vaccines and autism... he was dealing with a group of children whose parents contacted him for help and who were claiming their children had contracted horribly painful gastric disease that coincided with autism and complete loss of speech... he and other drs and researchers published a clinical report about how they treated these children and where they went wrong was suggesting that research be done to deny the causational link between these children’s conditions and their vaccinations... but he and his colleagues never claimed there was a causational link ... keep getting your vaccinations... but maybe you should ask yourself why they keep perpetuating this lie about the wakefield ‘study’ published in the lancet... if you are willing to take an hour of your time, you can still read the report they refer to and it is very easy to see that the ‘study’ never concluded a link or established a link at all... the msm and others depend on the fact that most people won’t bother to look and will just believe whatever they are told

[@roaringwithexcitement1329]

I can eat shrimp too, although I have no idea what seafood has anything to do with this.

[@OfftoShambala]

roaring with excitement let me explain... you may think you are fine after taking vaccinations, but not everyone else can ... like you can eat shrimp, but not everyone else can

[@christopheroldfiable]

Here in the studio we have 3 people who agree with Themselves- nice balance bbc

[@thomasgrn3110]

@ryan revolt You clearly don't know how science works. Scientists will NEVER say something is absolutely certain (that would be unscientific). A good scientist will always question everything even widely-accepted concepts (like gravity).

[@christopheroldfiable]

@Lars Haraldsen 1 i never said that vaccines cause autism , and the peer reviewed studies which show vaccines weaken the immune system and loosing their effectiveness has already been done. the entire scientific community is NOT behind vaccines , Merck are being sued by their own scientists for improper testing , data falsification.

[@christopheroldfiable]

@Whizper2me "there is only one right answer in science" said no scientist ever.

[@OffTheRailGaming]

"here in the studio we have 3 people who agree with each other". Lmao

[@myopinion2day]

@ryan revolt Then what do you think erradicated diseases that killed millions just few decades ago? New style of clothing and make up? We haven't invented a pill that kills tetanus, measles and polio, you know? Deaths from measles alone dropped by 90% since the introduction of vaccines. Same goes for other diseses. Hundreds of thousands of kids were paralyzed due to polio before vaccinations. Now the disease is all but erradicated with a handful of cases globally. Did magic genie prevent people from getting those diseases and dying? There is no cure for polio, so how come the cases dropped from close to half a million a year to 30 a year? Oh yes, we invented vaccine and vaccinated people and it worked. Go figue.

[@yingyang1008]

What kind of moron risks ruining their child's life to give it a slim chance of avoiding harmless things like flu and chicken pox? Even measles was seen as a harmless childhood illness until recent times

[@hellofromdavid]

Someone who is informed?

[@hellofromdavid]

Media. Yes, I have information that confirms this.

[@david808323]

natural infection with wild type measles confers longer term protection than live measles vaccine, and vaccine immunity wanes gradually over time. Mothers who had wild type measles may pass antibody protection to the newborns, however, mothers who had the live attenuated measles vaccine can not do so. Their babies are unprotected. “coverage against measles, which in the Czech Republic, over the long term, exceeds 95%…Natural infection provides longer term protection than vaccination. Post vaccination immunity decreases in time. Passive immunity may be compromised in newborns of vaccinated mothers.” If the problem is vaccine failure, then the solution is to design a better vaccine, not to remove the religious and philosophical vaccine exemptions by legislative mandate. Removing vaccine exemptions does not address the issue of primary and secondary vaccine failure which is responsible for recurring outbreaks even in highly vaccinated populations.

[@hellofromdavid]

They would be informed but would be free to make any decision they choose or do more research

[@hellofromdavid]

I think people should get the best information that is not biased and then be allowed to make their own judgement

[@thisorthat4195]

NO MORE BRACELETS IF YOU HAVE TO GESTURE !!!!!!

[@nosiphiwombewu9225]

Just use your common sense , don't listen to people because of their educational qualification s in this matter , even education has been corrupted by the corrupt America

[@Health1sUreWealth]

Nosiphiwo Mbewu i find it to be true

[@whydoesthishavesreal6696]

Don't listen to people who are qualified. Just use paranoid human instinct! Rad statement bro! How about you go consult a few... non American medical researchers

[@lightskinche]

@nikon12x42 Yeah nothing is 100% safe pal. That's why you ask your doctor if you should take the vaccine based on your health problems. Not that hard to do just a simple "Doc, can I get the vaccine?"

[@roaringwithexcitement1329]

When the f*ck does child abuse have anything to do with vaccines?

[@rf9531]

Nosiphiwo Mbewu, yes, if they take a blood test and say you have diabetes don't trust them, they clearly lie to you. They made that shit up. Honestly,what shit logic you have.

[@janrendek]

No, vaccination is wrong. But you must read something else than marketing to realise it.

[@youtubeyoutube6341]

Ján Rendek troll? Stupid? Misinformed? After this wave of comments I can’t decide.

[@roaringwithexcitement1329]

No they don't you fat idiot. Please explain how vaccinating a child is child abuse.

[@rg5445]

The debate isn’t about science or more accurately, science is one part of a much bigger problem. Vaccine hesitancy swirls around the credibility of the pharmaceutical industry and can society trust the regulators responsible for industry oversight?

[@eleethtahgra7182]

No its not wrong. Its one way to weed out the stupid from our gene pool. That way, we would have less bagage when entering age of space exploration.

[@Whitewater_and_Wild_Mushrooms]

By that reasoning, the Amish in America should have died out. Funny thing, their population has gone from 5,000 in 1920 to over 300,000 now, and they live with less cancer and autism with a very low vaccination rate... Please stop spreading hateful disinformation.

[@eleethtahgra7182]

@@Whitewater_and_Wild_Mushrooms Because everyone else was vaccinated. And they live in isolated area, thus further reducing their chance of being infected. Now, the number of unvaccinated increase, thus the recent outbreak, and if one of them got it, it could end badly for them. Oh, since theres a recent outbreak, why dont you send some guys with measles to the amish communities, it should be fine right?

[@eleethtahgra7182]

@nikon12x42 Dude, you are probably vaccinated, and so does david paton, and so did I...and so did non-antivaxxer of these comment section. And you are fine. We are fine. Therefore, your claim that everyone is allergic is faulty. Dude, even some pro-antivaxxer politicians, who support parents right (or stupidity) to not vaccinated their kid, vaccinate their kids. And they are fine. So...yeah, your claim is stupid.

[@imdaisybelle2]

If vaccines actually did any good, the ones who choose to vaccinate would not have anything to fear from those who don't. As it is, those who do not, have to fear those who do.

[@Luetzow1]

That is nonsense. While not vaccinating, you're placing other people who cannot be vaccinated either due to immune-system defects or other illnesses and also new born babys at risk. To protect these people, 95-98% of the population have to be vaccinated. You are a terrible, uneducated person and willingy place others in harm.

[@nancylanza8961]

Where did you get that information from tv? 'Did you ever go and check what they put in Vaccines? Aborted Fetal Tissue, Simmian Monkey Tissue, Polysorbate 80.; Formaldehyde, Glyphosate, Trimerisol, and not to mention the worse is Aluminum. Do your homework and go check it out on KZbin : The Highwire with Del Bigtree and he will give you the info and the site where he got that info all the reference from HHS, NIH, CDC, FDA and FOIA on and on He is not making this stuff up. All we want is SAFE Vaccines and not with all that poison in them. There is an epidemic out in the public and it's not Measles, Mumps or Chicken pox. It's ignorance of the REAL facts, not what Big Pharma puts out on the tv And no such thing as Herd Immunity it's impossible. Measles vaccines can actually spread measles. Also many of the vaccines out there now only last a few short years and you have to keep getting booster shots every 4 or 5 years to do any good. Big Pharma was only supposed to give out One shot and found out they were not doing what they expected. Every time you get a new vaccines you accumulate more of the Trimerisol which is Mercury (deadly) or Aluminum which is highly deadly when injected as it goes to the brain and causes damage the more you get the more you get ill. Please go and check out Del he is trying to get better vaccines for everyone not this garbage Big Pharma is putting out. And you cannot even sue them if you or your child gets a very bad reaction or even DEATH. Think about that!

[@TheHunabku]

@@Luetzow1 Maybe you need to educate yourself a little more. Herd immunity is only a theory, not researched or proven, The phrase comes from an earlier study by an entomologist who observed that when an infectious disease hit a community, only about 65% of people caught it, the rest were immune. This he termed ''Herd Immunity'' Vaccine makers turned it into ''95% or more must be vaccinated to protect the weak!''. Vaccines also can 'shed' putting those immune compromised people at real risk. If people are immune compromised then isolation is what really protects them. Immune compromised people can be at risk from anyone with an infection of any kind.

[@TheHunabku]

@@nancylanza8961 good answer Nancy.

[@justme1425]

No to vaccination, no to Bill Gates, no to ID2020, no to authoritarian control, yes to human rights and freedom of speech!!!

[@federicozz8708]

Jeez. You are basically WILLING to spread a disease and kill people?

[@justme1425]

@@federicozz8708 no, I am just not brainwashed by mainstream media and have the ability to THINK CRITICALLY. Have you heard about heavy metals in vaccines, did you investigate what impact for example mercury has on body, have you heard about ID2020, have you heard about patent WO2020060606?! Man, open your eyes, WAKE UP before you are transformed into cyborg

[@federicozz8708]

@@justme1425 Heavy metals? Those are MINIMUM. For example in Mercury you assume more by eating it in foods rather than injecting it into your blood with a vaccine. Also I am fully vaccinated and I never felt anything like your "autism" effects you talk about or death effects. Also how is the Media brainwashing us? I know media CAN lie to use but I can CLEARLY tell this is not fake. Basically I'm suggesting you to change your mind but if you won't, it's alright.

[@jeabproductions]

@@justme1425 you know aluminum is heavy metal, so is gold, and sliver, a substance antivaxxers use

[@justme1425]

@@jeabproductions I should have written toxic heavy metals

[@donniecupples6721]

I missed the part that explains why they are wrong. The closest thing I heard was "because they have access to information that could be incorrect". Just click bait i guess :(

[@niamhridge5885]

if you're anti-vax you're fucking stupid.

[@fel24thecat]

Ok boomer

[@Penzig]

That explanation is in there, but its so simple it is hard to miss I'm sure: "They have no evidence for their claims/fear of vaccines". And in a rational world, that should be plenty. The rest of the video talks about how it is still possible for something so far from the truth, to start a movement. They focus on the "decease" rather than the symptom. The symptom is people being anti-vaxxers, the decease is how easy misinformation can spread, ignorance, arrogance, lack of control over information being shared, and how there is no fact check in place to decide what goes viral or not. You need only a video that makes people scared, and you can have an un-truth going more viral than a monumental scientific breakthrough. Probably because people can relate to the premise of the fear, but don't understand the significance of the science breakthrough (which is because of ignorance when it comes to science, and arrogance that you are actually smart enough to have opinions on a subject matter you have no proper knowledge about.)

[@fel24thecat]

Penzig Well said

[@donniecupples6721]

Penzig lol I guess you've never heard of VAERS. Go troll somewhere more recent than a year old post.

[@keithdeutschmann2864]

For those who would like to note a good comment on this debate, watch Dr John Bergman's two recent videos - Measles Part 1 The Outbreak Panic and Measles part 2 - The Stats. You are challenged.

[@earthspirit516]

Bergman is awesome !

[@DrCatdeJong]

A good comment, sure. He's not a doctor, he's a quack and it should be illegal for a chiropractor to call himself a doctor.

[@alondragatae6145]

This is hilarious! Where is real journalism of genuinely reporting both sides, not just one view. Im all for safety in a product, and so far I can't seem to find a safety study that incorporate a large enough sample where it compares all effects (ie. Encephalitis, asthma, learning difficulties in children, allergies etc) of an unvaccinated population and a vaccinated population, to Include all races, ages and sexes. Also why is this the only drug where 1 size fits all? Im not an antivaccine person by any means, it just doesn't make sense to me and i can't get an answer for my genuine concerns. Oh and the other thing that doesnt make sense to me is pregnant women to vaccinate, they can't eat soft cheese or drink wine but can get vaccinated with essentially a toxic substance straight into their veins? I'm pretty sure a safety study will never be done on pregnant women, that would just be wrong, but then how can doctors recommend it? It just doesn't make sense. I hope to find the answers as its concerning that as it stands now it may become mandatory world wide.

[@yingyang1008]

Who the hell trusts the BBC for any kind of news, let alone something as important as your child's health

[@Ofratko1]

No it is good to trust Pintrest and Facebook with your children's health.

[@yingyang1008]

@@hellofromdavid I wouldn't recommend them either - but if it came down to it, I'd rather go there than to the BBC The BBC has an incredible amount of blood on its hands, it's one of the biggest war mongering media/state propaganda enterprises in world history

[@Katarinarabbit]

media holy shit your comment hurts my head

[@emmythegremlin]

Take your anti-killing medicine of choice, and see the comment section by your own risk

[@evanbowl]

Antivaxxers are like “Measles > Autism” or “Let your immune system develop nAtUrAlLy”

[@marielymg]

Evanbowl my son has autism BECAUSE Of the MEASLES VACCINES...

[@timthetomatoman6064]

@@marielymg are you sure about that?

[@slowlygoingsuicidal8992]

The problem is they don't realise that if their kids will get this disease, they will die. That is like saying (I know it's extreame case) Give us cancer so we can naturally fight it off and our immune system will be naturally stronger. Immune system can't beat some diseases and viruses. And essential oils won't help Karen.

[@OvertonWindex]

@@slowlygoingsuicidal8992 "will die" is pretty strong declaration. Have you spoken to any single baby boomer ever? They all had measles.

[@Leo-in1gt]

I love being vaccinated and not dying at age 10 from smallpox.

[@lauralarrett461]

Where do you live? Your chances of getting smallpox is about 0

[@Leo-in1gt]

@@lauralarrett461 The US, plus I'm vaccinated so no chance I'll get infected.

[@OfftoShambala]

@@Leo-in1gt not true... no vaccine is 100% effective

[@chelbert8382]

If you are looking for anti-vaxxers being triggered look at the comments on bill gates interview about vaccines.

[@filfa8420]

@margot giessen if you done your research to the point you are confident to say vaccine is killing immune system of young kids then i have to ask. Why? Does the vaccine broke immune system

[@kindadumb916]

@margot giessen Sir or mam, I am a vaccinated child, who has taken multiple vaccines throughout my life, and guess what? I have never fallen sick to major diseases and only colds have sometimes make me feel sick which gets better in a day or so. So, take your uneducated butt to school and help society

[@williamfisher4663]

That's your experience. There's billions of us out here.

[@christophersuits7582]

"A Measles outbreak" lol

[@knockknockitsamerica6986]

It’s going to be a lot fucking larger if you don’t vaccinate

[@MentalWarrior4GOD11]

Did they die? Measles lasts up two weeks, what’s there recovery? Just curious.

[@gen6778]

@Andrea Mendenhall SO VACCINATE OR FUCK UP HUMANITY is a more accurate version of knock knock it's America's statement.

[@ch33les99]

I mean it is happening

[@Whitewater_and_Wild_Mushrooms]

@@knockknockitsamerica6986 You are missing the big picture. Measles is not a dangerous disease. MMR can cause autism. If it can't why does the US government pay millions to families of the victims. Research Hanna Poling.

[@plutoreturns9630]

0:31 a group of unvaccinated people all queing close together what a great idea!

[@amelajay]

"why the anti-vaccination movement is wrong..." wait. hold the telly, BBC. we need a story, actually, on why vaccines are safe and effective. that means we won't have a story at all, darn it.

[@youtubeyoutube6341]

jamela carnes hum... it’s self evident? The disappearance of measles and polio in countries?

[@hannahscott6604]

KZbin KZbin “correlation doesn’t equal causation but when it fits my narrative it does!” LMFAO IDIOT

[@kathrynsmith3417]

Its now June '2019 - Due to parents not vaccinating their children, adults not getting vaccinated there are disease epidemics happening high numbers than the 1960s. Increase in Measles, Mumps in NY & other states, now in Los Angeles, Calif - epidemic of Typhoid Fever, TB & Hepatitis. As parents, adults refuse vaccines their will be increase in spreading of diseases we thought we'd defeated back during 1950s - 1960s.

[@varyolla435]

Correct. Thus far >90% infected in the current measles epidemic has been among the unvaccinated. In the Eastern US = primarily among Hassidic Jewish communities who refuse to vaccinate claiming religious reasons. In the West we see outbreaks among unvaccinated groups within communities. Unvaccinated tend to live in clusters whereby friends convince friends and neighbors not to vaccinate resulting in reservoirs of potential vectors. Moral of the story: public health is not a religious freedom or personal choice issue as people do not live in a vacuum. Once upon a time in the age before antibiotics lepers were driven from communities because of their potential infectability towards others. It is time to stop trying to hide behind God or some pseudo-scientific twaddle someone read on social media - platforms which are today rife with disinformation trolls/bots and a myriad of alternative Universe nonsense by the way. Have a nice day.

[@varyolla435]

Note Kathryn the ubiquitous anti-vaxxer troll such as inevitably chimes in to videos such as this. They serve as a reminder of the logical and intellectual dead end of the anti-vaccination ideological worldview. C'est La Vie. Anti-vaxxers are losing ground in the wake of the current measles epidemic which demonstrates quite admirably the utter failure of their beliefs. People are moving away from their pseudo-scientific claims now that the real impact of the movement plays out in real time for all to see. Have a nice day.

[@yingyang1008]

Who cares about measles, it's totally harmless - traditionally you wouldn't even tell the doctor if your kid had it

[@kathrynsmith3417]

@@yingyang1008 You don't care what happens to babies & children infected with Measles. I had the measles as a child, before vaccines were available. Its horrible, causes disabilities that can last a life time.

[@kathrynsmith3417]

@nikon12x42 You don't care what happens to babies, children, who haven't been vaccinated, becoming infected, suffering horrible diseases, could cause life long disabilities. "Child Abusers" are those persons who don't care about kids, only how to use them for their own political purposes like the Anti-Vaxxers group.

[@pumqkinpiez]

I’m a proud anti vax mom and I take care 5 beautiful children Edit:4 Second Edit:3 Third Edit:1

[@calebmedina2768]

This took me a while to get lol

[@gterschluse]

I'll take increasing numbers of outbreaks and cases of diseases not seen in decades in anti Vax hotspots for 1000.

[@formerfundienowfree4235]

I'll take vaccine waning for $2000. *crickets*

[@OfftoShambala]

You do know about the 1986 Childhood Vaccine Injury Act right? If not you should look into it and consider what it did and consider that the number of recommended vaccines is about five or six times what it was prior to 1986 when the manufacturers were actually responsible for the safety of these products. How do you really know they work anyways? You don’t and you have no way of knowing.

[@gterschluse]

@lelwut lololol lololololol

[@spooky6832]

Not tested for safty, that's why! - US National Library of Medicine: "Currently, ethylmercury (EtHg) and adjuvant-Al are the dominating interventional exposures encountered by fetuses, newborns, and infants due to immunization with Thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs). Despite their long use as active agents of medicines and fungicides, the safety levels of these substances have never been determined, either for animals or for adult humans-much less for fetuses, ..."

[@roaringwithexcitement1329]

Please simplify what you just said.

[@roaringwithexcitement1329]

@nikon12x42 < a discusting person who would rather let children get sick with a diseases that melts them alive and watch them scream and cry on their beds as their flesh soaks into the mattress as you laugh at their pleas for help instead of of giving them the doggon vaccine. Yes, you need to stop using this "vaccinating is child abuse" bullshit and actually try to argue.

[@waltlewis9194]

www.ini-world-report.org/2019/12/30/u-s-government-loses-landmark-lawsuit-over-forced-vaccinations/

[@toni4729]

All you need is good food and to keep clean. The things they didn't have during the time of the plague. That's why they died then. The people that did feed themselves and could keep clean then did manage to survive. If they hadn't everyone would have died.

[@miko8732]

I don't think you even understand what the plague is.

[@toni4729]

@@miko8732 And you were there, were you? Filth causes desease to travel more than anything. That and total ignorance.

[@miko8732]

@@toni4729 actually the black plague was caused by fleas which carried the disease and it spread by contact and through the air, not filth, it would be hard to contain the disease even nowadays, you are clearly uneducated in the medical field, you are the ignorant one and you edited your reply but couldn't even fix a small spelling error, trust people that are educated and not conspiracy theorists like you.

[@miko8732]

@media once again, I have read the side effects, they are extremely unlikely to happen, vaccines aren't a health risk and they are proven safe and effective, I'm still waiting on a study from you, you can't send one because vaccines are safe, you clearly don't understand how vaccines work, get a real education, your PhD from Google university doesn't count.

[@miko8732]

@media once again, they are extremely unlikely to happen, can you send me a scholarly peer reviewed study that apparently proves your stupid child murdering point or not? Vaccines are proven safe and effective, you used the NHS website as your source, so so can I, and if you trust the NHS which you clearly do then you would know that vaccines are safe and effective.

[@Jayanky]

-I'm gonna say the N-Word- I’m no longer going to say the N-Word

[@midgitpower1187]

why

[@Jayanky]

If you dare reply again, I shall speak its deadly power.

[@korogiri]

@@Jayanky I, the great platypus, dont care, as long as you have an n-word pass.

[@ichheieelsenorandorayashi4824]

NIGGA

[@barbatvs8959]

Noodles the Nigerian Never Knew.

[@dannysbookauthority7280]

Question everything.

[@geraldodelrivero8982]

Yes question everything, but accept proven facts that has evidence to support it

[@ren2871]

Thats exactly what scientists do and that leads them to make revolutionary discoveries such as vaccines. You're confusing "question everything" with "distrust authority"

[@JoaquinCampana1998]

"The next time someone said to you that vaccines cause autism, instead of asking them are they anti-vaxxers, ask them if they're anti-autistic." - Scott Michael Robertson

[@VodJa753]

i'll ask them if they're pro disease then

[@prabhadhawale1008]

@@VodJa753 I will ask them the same.

[@ronhenderson594]

We did not vaccinate my son, except for two, and autism was not a factor in our decision. I have however seen evidence of a link, kids who were fine before and never the same after vaccination. You decide for your child like we did and ignore what anyone says, especially strangers on youtube.

[@nancylanza8961]

Thomas Thwaites if KZbin is not a Primary Source of material for vaccine safety, why in Heavens Name are you on here then? I found out the information I needed to seek out the truth about Vaccines on KZbin and went on CDC, FDS, NIH and many other Government websites and found the info related to unsafe vaccines. What and where is your info coming from the TV?

[@frze5645]

Re 'many other government websites' - if you think 'government web sites' are going to give you a comprehensive debate about vaccines - you are kidding yourself. It is maverick web sites that will discover the truth... that is how it works. Dissenters uncover the truth - compliants are always problem.

[@DamienMearns]

So all the pro-Vax movement need to do is publish the full safety trials of all the vaccines individually and as schedule as a whole - These studies have not been done and should have been done ... before releasing them never mind forcing vaccinations - Do the Science

[@DamienMearns]

Address this reason: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1544592/Vaccine-officials-knew-about-MMR-risks.html?fbclid=IwAR1KpgUBKrrz6akujKQQ_cwx2qXPCSXBgKgjF7fyW877rBpCgvJOhYThzbA

[@DamienMearns]

Dr Andrew Wakefield challenges Brian Deer to an open public debate: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZmbqp2Lpt-bhNU

[@strawman80]

Here is the news...this is what we want you to believe....

[@bitny4916]

Science vs "I want to be special"

[@blu3_fish869]

Why do the goverment have to liy

[@strawman80]

@@bitny4916 Theoretical science v I like to be non guinea pig

[@wilsontexas]

You have to look into the issue for yourself and decide for yourself. The bbc has an agenda.

[@bitny4916]

U could kill weak ppl.

[@bbb111-jr9ny]

What is their agenda then? Do you think the BBC is being paid by vaccine companies? Do you have any evidence to indicate they have an agenda beyond pointing out people being ignorant and risking other children's health?

[@wilsontexas]

Your assumption that ignorant people question vaccines is incorrect. The higher the income and education the more questions and concerns people have about the vaccine schedule.

[@aquari_2344]

@@wilsontexas just because theyre rich doesnt mean theyre not fucking morons. If you honestly believe vaccines are damaging in anyway, you don't understand science. educate yourself.

[@JoeForrestart]

I love how there was no actual science presented by any of them.

[@Remake5182]

What can you present for us to make your case?

[@kimberresford]

Show us the science....... where is it, the only science is showing that they do indeed cause spectacular damage to our children

[@theviewer6889]

Just Google 'scholarly papers on vacvination'. Hundreds of papers.

[@kimberresford]

Your not listening are you @@theviewer6889

[@theviewer6889]

@@kimberresford Have you looked? Can you provide any evidence for your claim? I'm fine giving evidence, I just want to see you do it first considering "the only science is showing that they do indeed cause spectacular damage" so it should be easy for you to show your evidence.

[@theviewer6889]

@media And here I was thinking I was a real person. Honestly, you can't back up your own bullshit so resort to name calling and ignoring the opposition.

[@theviewer6889]

@media Also what do you mean harassing? If asking for evidence is harassing I'd hate to see what calling someone a child abuser is. Oh wait.

[@Ottstop]

I believe vaccines help you, try to change my mind. (Please include CREDIBLE sources if you include them!) (Sources make you look more credible, so please try to name some even if you cant link it.)

[@Ottstop]

@media what does it cause?

[@Ottstop]

@media ooooh fits confused me, sorry about that. I'll look right into that

[@Ottstop]

@jeff sweet I don't know, but where has polio been for the past 60 years?

[@t-2750]

Ottstop Polio is very rare in countries that have clean water and toilets. The Oral polio vaccine was live and it was actually giving people polio. Polio is contracted through oral-fecal route. Basically you get infected faeces in your mouth.

[@RowsieFox]

jeff sweet you can tell that this dude doesn’t understand basic logic. You don’t need to do a study on harmful levels of the stuff in vaccines. It’s a number. X amount in X amount of body mass for something to become toxic. Vaccines fall way below that number. That’s it

[@HowardARoark]

KYV - Know Your Vaccinator. Must be photographed holding up card with signed declaration. There is no time limit for damages claims.

[@haldanandpako2755]

Here’s mine www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/shirtless-senior-man-gesturing-showing-body-123433957

[@silverbullet2008bb]

You cannot claim damages from the vaccine companies if you become ill (or even die) as a result. The govt has made this the law and it is explained on the govt website.

[@silverbullet2008bb]

I recommend watching this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJXdXoama7-Fhrs

[@HowardARoark]

The person injecting the vaccine is committing an offence of assault under common law, which may be exacerbated to GBH or murder. There is no difference in law as to how an assault is performed, whether it be via striking or via poisoning, in law it is the effect of the action that defines it. Evidence of place, date, time, and identification of assailant, and name, batch, and serial number of poison must be collected, and the assailant must be notified in advance that the vaccination is being treated as a crime scene, and that they will be prosecuted under full force of the law.

[@silverbullet2008bb]

@@HowardARoark Sounds good in theory but I doubt our corrupt law courts would uphold such a prosecution.

[@thelostafrikaan8918]

propoganda

[@sirhellhound3074]

Yes, I love children dying from polio, Dont you?

[@Galatians.3.26-29]

@@sirhellhound3074 Vaccines contain viruses and are capable of causing outbreaks.

[@sirhellhound3074]

@@Galatians.3.26-29 Got any evidence of that, because as far as i'm aware, vaccines only contain dead viruses or viruses which cause no harm

[@amandao.7705]

Logical fallacies and false reasearch on your part

[@Whitewater_and_Wild_Mushrooms]

@@sirhellhound3074 Do some research. The viruses are "weakened" and can be shed to others and cause disease. Viruses are always mutating and changing.

[@prestonwilliams8421]

How can anyone watch the vaxxed movies and still believe in vaccines!?

[@prestonwilliams8421]

@Minamino Shaqiri Origi The best trio Man, no energy to enlighten you..the truth is learned, not told. Watch the movie 'vaxxed', and it's follow up, and then get back to me.

[@prestonwilliams8421]

@Minamino Shaqiri Origi The best trio Man, one day, when you have actually done the research you will understand...later, please

[@prestonwilliams8421]

@Minamino Shaqiri Origi The best trio knock yourself out...jam your veins with whatever you want....this is going nowhere...post with someone else please....all the best to you....

[@prestonwilliams8421]

@Minamino Shaqiri Origi The best trio now you are being a dick...fuck off, you sick fuck.

[@kindadumb916]

@@prestonwilliams8421 apparently trying to educate people about proper medicine and help them makes you...a dick? Wow and I thought I was dumb,I was having a rough day today thanks for cheering me up.

[@anthonysoto3776]

I'm not smarter then a doctor! I'm just open minded is all i guess i suffer from knowitallism.

[@darwinhoop7930]

That said, it's EASY to be smarter than a doctor when it comes to vaccines. Most receive ZERO training and an enormous binder filled with completely fraudulent statements about vaccine efficacy and safety from the CDC. American physicians are selected for extreme obedience, not the exercise of principled objection to official narratives. To their credit, MOST physicians will quietly admit they know less than a well-researched parent. Pediatricians are paid to lie about it and have shadowy figures from public health looking over their shoulders (and lucrative incentives for racking up big vaccination numbers from insurers). And YES, their Mercedes IS more important to them than protecting the neurological integrity of your child. There are exceptions, but they are fewer and farther between than most imagine.

[@anthonysoto3776]

Well god gave you a immune system for a reason your body fixes itself and so long as you eat and live healthy you should be fine. My biggest problem is They don’t take your blood and test what the vaccine will do to you If anything they Just shoot you up and hope for the best I can’t do that. If my son couldn’t talk or walk cause of the side affect it’s shit like that I need to know.

[@anthonysoto3776]

@DM584 There's no such blood test. Nor is there any proof that vaccines do any of the things you're suggesting. --- then maybe there needs to be that kind of blood test and your saying the side effects have not hurt a single person? cause there's plenty of proof for that. farther more there have been kids that after there shot become allergic to peanut butter, soy have seizures cant talk have to re-learn walking etc. That's the biggest load of nonsense I've heard in a long time. If you broke a bone would you go to an orthopedic surgeon or just say "well, no biggie, my body fixes itself so I don't have to worry about this displaced fracture"? well all i can say is the doctor places the bone in the correct position after a xray puts you in a cast gives you a bottle of pulls you should avoid unless you absolutely need it cause addiction is real and let the body heal in a nut shell pretty much self healing cause its not like they hold your hand the hole way when you brake a leg.

[@darwinhoop7930]

Feel free to poison yourself with your own ignorance, but don't ask others who know better to do as you have done. @DM584

[@darwinhoop7930]

I'm sorry you found what I had to say so threatening. You've had yourself--perhaps even your child--injected without having done your homework. I understand. You also struggle so with logic. You'd do better by putting down the crackpipe for a moment to actually READ the peer-reviewed science that has been published over the last 15 years. It won't help you with the cognitive dissonance over poisoning yourself or loved ones, but it might keep you from seeking to impose your tragically ignorant opinion and misguided will on others. In the mean time, I pity those who depend upon your irrational, propaganda-addled counsel. @DM584

[@red70506]

The hysteria is utter foolishness.

[@tizianoleggio3002]

And here we are

[@Fireflyintheskies]

Who is the researcher here? Grossman begins this video with the smallpox outbreak in England. I would suggest that you start your research with the "Leicester Method" which dates back to 1885. This town in England suffered huge death because of the smallpox vaccine. The mayor and it's people decided to stop vaccinating and instead relied on quarantine of smallpox patients and thorough disinfection of their homes. The English government were not pleased with this and more or less told the people of Leicester that a huge epidemic would ensue. This of course did not happen. A committee was set up in Leicester by its people and all smallpox cases were reported - people were promptly reporting cases and quarantined and their homes disinfected. Sanitation and plumbing were the main focus of improvement and better nutrition followed. Smallpox deaths in Leicester immediately started to drop and 30 years later the town had more or less eradicated small pox. Although some people did come down with smallpox the numbers were low but they never suffered any further epidemics. Refs: J.W. Hodge, MD "How Smallpox was banished from Leicester". Twentieth Century Magazine, Vol 3, no. 16 January 1911, p. 340. Leicester and Its Immunity from Smallpox, The Lancet, 5 June 1886, p. 1091 J.T. Biggs, Leicester: Sanitation Versus Vaccination, 1912, p. 507. These are just a few references - BBC are reporting false history on this particular subject. I would suggest people do their own research. I found a book by Dr. Suzanne Humphries "Dissolving Illusions" - the history of vaccination. It is deeply researched and quotes references from actual medical journals and medical writings of the time. I chose to discuss smallpox because the people pushing vaccines seem to use this particular disease and its eradication as their golden success which is completely untrue. People need to take responsibility for their own health and the health of their children and do their own RESEARCH. They can then make their own decision confidently whether that is to vaccinate or not.

[@Fireflyintheskies]

@media You're welcome. The information is out there.

[@ILovePancakes24]

This wouldn't work in our modern world. It might work in a small town, but not in a real place. It'll spread diseases like fire. Idiots running away while being infected will spread it to clean areas

[@rachaela6207]

They didn't have a large number of deaths because of the smallpox vaccine. There were deaths from smallpox. And at the time vaccination levels were only 85%. They also never stopped vaccinating, it only stopped being compulsory. And after the epidemic in question, the number of vaccinated children increased. Sanitation and plumbing became a focus because they were in such a poor state and the city was suffering from high numbers of other diseases as well including typhus and diphtheria. Leicester and smallpox: the Leicester method www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1082657/pdf/medhist00094-0079.pdf LEICESTER AND THE ANTI-VACCINATION MOVEMENT www.le.ac.uk/lahs/downloads/1967-68/1967-68%20(43)%2035-44%20Ross.pdf Why Dr Suzanne Humphries, an anti-vaccine activist, is lying to you about measles medium.com/@visualvaccines/why-dr-suzanne-humphries-an-anti-vaccine-activist-is-lying-to-you-about-measles-ce446d0a7e0f

[@rachaela6207]

@media Can't attack my arguments so you attack me. Sweet use of ad hominem fallacy

[@rachaela6207]

@media did you even read my comment or the links I provided? I just pointed out the errors I saw in the first statement.

[@aaronbarlow4376]

Yes the 4 billion given out by the vaccine courts for vaccine injuries should not be concerning at all.

[@Remake5182]

Dont go down I speak from expireance

[@pliz4410]

but you dont speak frm tha truth or proprly eether

[@Remake5182]

@@pliz4410 I do, so dont go down in th comment section.

[@samthong3305]

Lmaoooo these anti Vaccine idiots in the comments are so hilarious to read

[@jonasb2047]

Goddamn why did it have to be the BBC to make this

[@littletraveller5428]

BBC like government are so caring about us and our kids. Thank you

[@rabbitcreative]

@@SchizoidCajetanian Who watches the watchers? I do.

[@lawrenceroper]

The BBC had over 250,000 complaints last year, most centered around lack of impartiality and outright dishonesty, especially dishonesty by omission. Think about that, take all the time you need.

[@shamrock141]

I'd rather trust them than conspiracy theorists

[@lawrenceroper]

Trust nobody, question everything.

[@shamrock141]

@@lawrenceroper I don't have the time to study medicine for seven years I'd rather trust my doctor I don't have the time to study flying for three years I'd rather trust the pilot I don't have the time to study animals for years I'd ratehr trust my vet Your arguement is ridiculous. Being open minded and questioning information is healthy and advisable but that's not the same as going against what every doctor will tell you especially since you aren't medically qualified

[@shamrock141]

@media I would love to see your sources on that claim

[@ashleylaw]

All media are controlled. They hate humans. They want the Agenda 21 pushed through. Measles....kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3XFYY2JaNt1b8k

[@freevbuks9270]

The comments are a goldmine

[@freevbuks9270]

@nikon12x42 are you a troll

[@freevbuks9270]

@nikon12x42 I'm 12

[@freevbuks9270]

@nikon12x42 so what is the death rate of vaccination

[@frens_till_the_end]

b f . umntutunnu4 Bro, are all these peoples arguments pedo and child abuser?

[@frens_till_the_end]

nikon12x42 Um... disagreeing with your comments and joking around is creepy and sexual?

[@MrChicoCanada]

Wrong because it's bad for business and political "donations".

[@ap2729]

#dothestudy

[@knockknockitsamerica6986]

#Wealreadydidthefuckingstudy

[@anonwa4309]

Knock Knock It’s America #wealreadydidthousandsofstudies

[@doomguy7488]

@nikon12x42 your wrong about that true people can die from vaccines but it is very low the only people who are affected by it are the people who are allergic to that certain vaccine and its rarly fatal.so far i think its better than dying from measles in 1980 2.6 million people were killed by measles,

[@roaringwithexcitement1329]

Anything can kill you. Name one thing and there is a way it can kill you.

[@roaringwithexcitement1329]

You are also typing nonsense. You arnt even trying to justify your bullsh*t.

[@Whitewater_and_Wild_Mushrooms]

MMR use on the decline? People are waking up!

[@notamusedreally8957]

nikon12x42 And? Does it change anything wether they look like that or not?

[@notamusedreally8957]

nikon12x42 so you avoided the question so you didn’t have to admit that you’re transphobic and a terrible person. Good to know so when you falsely accuse me of being a child abuser, I can correctly call you transphobic!

[@notamusedreally8957]

nikon12x42 < Homophobic and transphobic.

[@notamusedreally8957]

nikon12x42 You’re being deceptive by not telling the whole truth about how rare serious side effects are. If anything, you’re the liar.

[@notamusedreally8957]

nikon12x42 Proof please.

[@kellypitts8481]

Lol. So, disagreeing with the government is a conspiracy theory now.

[@jonasdj11]

Believing that absolute top experts in the field (and the government) are withholding or minimizing information to decieve you, yes that's believing in conspiracy. Because with the information available in today's science, the only rational conclusion is pro vax all the way, there's no doubt. And thinking that you know better with no proper education is just stupidity. It's either of those 2 cases with antivaxxers.

[@tamarpeer261]

No. This is democracy. *Blaming the goverment at doing stuff that won't help them in any way* is a conspircy.

[@jonasdj11]

@media What is your point?

[@jonasdj11]

@media Yeah I saw that, what's your point?

[@igloosoftware]

It is more a corruption theory than a conspiracy.

[@mickmadden7772]

Dr. Walter Hadwen explained during an address in 1896: “Now this man Jenner had never passed a medical examination in his life. He belonged to the good old times when George III was King - (laughter) - when medical examinations were not compulsory. Jenner looked upon the whole thing as a superfluity, and he hung up ‘Surgeon, apothecary’ over his door without any of the qualifications that warranted the assumption. It was not until twenty years after he was in practice that he thought it advisable to get a few letters after his name. Consequently he then communicated with a Scotch University and obtained the degree of Doctor of Medicine for the sum of £15 and nothing more. (Laughter.) It is true that a little while before, he had obtained a Fellowship of the Royal Society, but his latest biographer and apologist, Dr. Norman Moore, had to confess that it was obtained by little less than a fraud. It was obtained by writing a most extraordinary paper about a fabulous cuckoo, for the most part composed of arrant absurdities and imaginative freaks such as no ornithologist of the present day would pay the slightest heed to. A few years after this, rather dissatisfied with the only medical qualification he had obtained, Jenner communicated with the University of Oxford and asked them to grant him their honorary degree of M.D., and after a good many fruitless attempts he got it. Then he sent to the Royal College of Physicians in London to get their diploma, and even presented his Oxford degree as an argument in his favor. But they considered he had had quite enough on the cheap already, and told him distinctly that until he passed the usual examinations they were not going to give him any more.” So, after about 20 years of practicing his special brand of “medicine”, Jenner (the professional fake artist) realized he might benefit from some extra letters after his name, and thus it was that in 1790, Jenner simply bought a medical degree for £15. This is the man who helped create what is now a multi-billion dollar medical empire - a person who was not only a complete fraud and confidence man, but evidently a pathological liar

[@dylanfields3858]

I love these videos they really bring up the problems and the facts about what happens when these viruses are free to spread

[@jimjamson9534]

@Truthsetsyou4ree Firstly it is spelt tuberculosis, secondly tb is caused by a bacterium not a virus. Thirdly the recent tb pandemic seemed to pass me by, I must have been asleep that day. I agree wholeheartedly with your name here- the truth really will set you free! 😉

[@jimjamson9534]

@Truthsetsyou4ree It helps if you know first the difference between bacteria viruses, by the way where was this deadliest ever tubeurceuiloidoidalosous outbreak you so confidently speak of 2 years ago. Was it worse than the ones in the 1800's? There is no need to be rude or swear by the way. It takes a bit of humility to learn from someone who has studied infectious diseases I know, at least be grateful that you learnt something.

[@jimjamson9534]

@Truthsetsyou4ree Do you think I ate an idiot? Wow where did cannibalism come into this? 😃😄😅

[@jimjamson9534]

@Truthsetsyou4ree so why did you write 'ate' ?

[@jimjamson9534]

@Truthsetsyou4ree Oh now I see the light!.. Germs and viruses don't exist. What a waste of time my life has been. I think I must be have been suffering from the Dunning Kruger effect all along. Thanks so much for setting me free.

[@paulhall4178]

If you build up a straw-man that you can easily disprove is always the media's way of discrediting a point of view.

[@shammendraeshwar433]

they are going to bring back the dark ages for us.

[@ciarapotter6424]

Dark ages were cause by lack of clean water and such. Most of these diseases were rare before the vaccines were ever introduced. But by all means just believe everything your told without actually looking into it yourself.

[@anetab2917]

medieval people lived in utter filth together with their animals and their excrements. they were notoriously malnutritioned and deficient in sunlight and vitamins. take your shots and go live in medieval london. see how long you can hang in there.

[@arelfarrington9943]

My only questions are these. Are vaccines perfect and infallible? Are there ways to pre screen people to find out if they are not going to get injured by a vaccine? Has the ever been studies that use unvaccinated vs vaccinated people to see if the unvaccinated were more unhealthy? And finally is it impossible for vaccinated people to contact the very disease that they are vaccinated against?

[@viluvaboy]

@Whizper2me I appreciate your well thought out response. I can agree with many things you've said. In many cases though drugs that have passed these safety tests have come back after some time on the market and suddenly there are commercials "if you or a loved one has been injured by..." Although it may not be as clear cut as Vaccines=Autism what about matters such as brain inflammation which can then lead to neurological issues which may indeed include autism. Vaccines Are not miracle drugs. They have proven to be beneficial but there are flaws that need to be addressed and people who chose not to vaccinate aren't just (if they are doing their due dilligence) sitting there waiting to catch a disease. Most are eating very well, keeping good hygiene, and using more natural means to keep the body healthy. With modern medicine I don't think that if we all suddenly stop getting certain vaccines that we would have a cataclysmic crash of humanity.

[@enigmatic7164]

When I find out the school bully isn't vaccinated:*VIOLENT SNEEZE*

[@barbatvs8959]

The school itself is a bully forcing you to do things you don't need against your will, mixing a few necessary things with a load of crap, stealing a chunk of your life.

[@roaringwithexcitement1329]

Shut up. Forcing a child to suffer from whooping cough, mumps, polio, etc is abuse, Did your parents vaccinate you? If they did, did you suffer any "vaccine-related" issues? Because I didn't.

[@barbatvs8959]

@@roaringwithexcitement1329 Most of mankind did not use vaccines, but to you every one of our ancestors was "forced to suffer from whooping cough, mumps, polio" etcetera. History proves you wrong. I got vaccinated late, and my immune system was strong enough to not be overwhelmed by the barrage of shit in vaccines. I have a retarded cousin who was not so fortunate.

[@roaringwithexcitement1329]

Unless you can prove that the vaccines damaged your cousin, you can shut up. And no, I ment that it's child abuse to force babies to suffer from those diseases. I'm glad I was vaccinated, change my mind

[@haldanandpako2755]

@roaring with excitement vaccination didn’t damage her cousin, incest did.

[@1comatose]

*_STOP SCROLLING BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE_*

[@vulpes9842]

There too far gone by this point

[@RowsieFox]

Yeah

[@randommemesweekly4417]

thanks for saving me

[@simple22travel11]

VAXXED watch it now :)

[@draxk306]

thanks but no

[@thisslightlysweetlife3402]

Willfully blind much?

[@draxk306]

@Aaron Stubbs nah man, its just that anti vax people are retarded lol

[@lucaslane9943]

It’s crazy how people can just deny obvious scientific facts for their own ideas. Reminds me of creationists...

[@DavidMartinez-wt7fg]

"Scientific facts"? Are you sure about that? Do you not realize just how corrupt the government is? Do you not know they control the media and what we, the public, are allowed to know? To put a label on people who are only fighting for their HUMAN RIGHTS, is what ignorant people do when they can't agree to disagree. We are not against YOU taking the vaccine, if that's what YOU want. We simply don't believe in it, and don not believe that we are being told the truth. Covid is a lie. Period. And THE ONLY people who are going along with the media and the ALWAYS LYING politicians, then you go ahead and be the sheep they want you to be. And when you all start dropping dead in massive numbers, they'll say they were all unvaccinated people to continue covering up their lie. The rich are getting richer during a lockdown/"pandemic," and no one sees that?! Wake the fuck up. Governments and politicians have lied about countless things for decades, if not centuries, but all of a sudden they're telling the truth? And those scientists you see on tv and in the news telling you to be afraid and to get vaccinated?...they've been hand picked and PAID OFF to spew their lies. And all you sheep just listen and follow along with the bullshit. This war will not be won by you. It will be won by those of us who are actually fighting for human rights. And our rights include freedom of choice. Remember that when you're told you have to get vaccinated every six months, because that's exactly what will happen. The vaccine is a cover for the banks and politicians and elite who want to control everyone on this planet.

[@arthurmorgan1960]

I really don't get anti vaccers... i got vaccinated many times... and im perfectly healthy...

[@jeffreykaufmann2867]

Norway Vaccinates 96 percent of their children yet only 54/10 000 kids are Autistic. In the U.S it's 222/10 000.

[@doubletap1145]

@@jeffreykaufmann2867 autism is naturally occurring at birth for some people. Not by vaccines

[@jeffreykaufmann2867]

@@doubletap1145 I know but some parents claim that up to 12 months old their child was behaving normally and then two weeks after taking the MMR VACCINE their behaviour was completely different and were diagnosed with Autism.

[@Ihate-ox9hh]

@@jeffreykaufmann2867 because children get diagnosed at around the same time mmr vaccine is given at about 12 months, so just a coincidence

[@jeffreykaufmann2867]

@@Ihate-ox9hh Is it possible for a baby to behave normally for the 1st 15 months of its life and then at 16 months behave like an Autistic child?

[@jaymevogl4338]

It makes me ill how they fraudulently discredit the brilliant and selfless Andy Wakefield who risked his profession and life by actually telling the truth

[@ottoweininger8156]

That's not what's going to make you ill...

[@rorythorns1597]

@media also if you're allergic to the vaccine then just check and tell your doctor you dimwitted twat. I'd rather have a few seizures (which are very rare) then get measles which has worse outcomes

[@OfftoShambala]

Yes, but they keep lying because most people won’t fact check and so many people keep lying. Wakefield only suggested studies be done to deny a causational link... that was his sin... suggesting that studies be done... then they claim studies have been done that disprove a causational link... which is another lie... but people don’t ask questions and blindly believe.

[@OfftoShambala]

Aaron Stubbs it’s human nature, they’ve been indoctrinated, they conform, they are subject to authority, by their nature... they believe pharma products are healthcare... plenty will break free, but the majority won’t ... it’s necessary to be like this for social order... understanding our socio-psycho nature may help those of us who wish to get them to see what they are agreeing to... you might be interested in reviewing the Asche line experiments and the milgram experiments ... I think understanding the implications of the Stanford prison experiments are pretty telling as well... but the fact of the matter is that you can present clear evidence of something to most indictrinated people and until there’s a boot in their ball (yuri bezmenov, ussr defector) they won’t believe it... the vast majority of those who oppose vaccines or want vaccine reform are people who were indoctrinated, following the recommendations, and ended up being the ‘rare’ recipient of the boot in their balls... hindsight is always 20/20 after it’s too late.

[@Jasho-Beam]

Would the BBC ever lie to you, come on? Just keep quiet and take the jab, you know it makes money, I mean sense!

[@jameskulevich8907]

(January 19, 2022.) Hahahaha! Boi, were you wrong!!! Hahahaha!!