Why the Apple Pencil is not overpriced

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One of the most popular accessories for the iPad is Apple's Pencil. It's a great companion, but can be a bit pricey. However, there are alternative active styluses available that cost much less, but do they perform just as well? I asked a Vancouver based artist Audrey Lemond to help me evaluate the options.
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
0:42 Meet the Artist and the Alternatives
2:48 Thanks Zoho CRM!
3:29 Using the Apple Pencil
4:03 What's an Active Stylus and trying the Logitech Crayon
5:00 They don't support Pressure Sensitivity
6:12 Trying the Adonis Note+ and explaining Tilt Sensitivity
8:17 ZAGG Pro Stylus
9:04 The Amazon... one
9:48 Evaluating the Value
11:17 Conclusion

[@localblackman427]

"Expensive doesn't equal overpriced and cheaper doesn't mean better deal" is the most important thing a young adult can learn.

[@waterslug4263]

Also more expensive doesn’t always mean better

[@nishantrajani7372]

@@waterslug4263 the law of diminishing return can catch up but sometimes as a professional you’re willing to pay extra just to get it even a percent better

[@superneenjaa718]

@@nishantrajani7372 even without diminishing returns, more expensive product can be worse for your use case than the cheaper one. For example, A100 will play games worse than GA102 despite being lots more expensive.

[@dxdxdxdxdxd7125]

and go drink some latte at Starbucks and buy a new iPhone 11

[@poundlandspeedwagonrequiem]

@@dxdxdxdxdxd7125 ad hominem much?

[@gurraba9184]

Yeah when I was shopping for stylus, I saw the Logitech crayon for like 85 bucks, and the Apple Pencil (1st gen) on sale for 80. Not a very hard choice, even considering original pricing. Love the videos btw, the style really separates the channel from the rest of LMG. Keep up the good work!

[@macaddress]

That's a good deal!

[@abatall]

Really? It’s 70 dollars

[@gurraba9184]

@@abatall I live in Sweden, where these things tend to cost more. It seems to be available now for a slightly lower price though

[@DoctorX17]

The 1st gen Apple Pencil supports pressure sensitivity, right? The only issue with that one is if you have the iPad Pro or newest Mini with USB C, you need a separate charger for the Pencil...

[@abatall]

@@gurraba9184 oh

[@meowmochimeow]

I've never met an artist or writer who has said the Apple Pencil was overpriced. Somebody who takes art or writing seriously will happily spend a lot more on traditional pens or pencils.

[@Hoju3942]

You get what you pay for when it comes to professional tools! The question is whether a tool needs to be professional for a use case or not.

[@arifwibowo94]

True. A set of traditional coloring pencils for professional like Faber Castell, Prismacolor, or Derwent could even be more expensive than the iPad.

[@trimonmusic]

Very true. It's rare I hear professionals in any field complaining about the price of an item that is commonly used in the field. Of course, there will always be super-high-end items in each field that even professionals or small teams deem out of reach - but a hundred dollar pencil that dramatically improves your ability to do your job (where your yearly salary is often HUNDREDS OF TIMES that pencil's price) is a no brainer.

[@BrysonTheTomato]

Ive never thought about it that way 😮

[@ikuturso7570]

Case with a lot of professional equipment. BUT for average consumer that equipment is generally overpriced be it Apple Pencil or Nvidia Quadro gpu.

[@MR2XY]

Engineering student here: I use the 2nd gen apple pencil with the 2020 ipad air for note taking and calculations... actually one of my favourite features is the preasure sensitivity for changing the thickness of the pencil strokes - i really use that quite a lot for adding smaller annotations

[@donosborn9551]

Also an engineering student with the same setup and I have to say having the pencil with the iPad Air is a big game changer for digital note taking.

[@blakewalker4216]

Another engineering student popping in; the 2nd gen Apple Pencil and the 2018 pro 11 are some of the best purchase decisions I have ever made.

[@edcgadgets-de]

Another engineering student here: I have the 12.9” iPad Pro 2018 with Apple Pencil 2 and use it 1% of my iPad usage. Switched back to writing on paper. I have horrible handwriting, on paper it’s more readable than on the iPad. I use my iPad as laptop replacement for work with the keyboard but the Pencil is never in use anymore…

[@varma101]

It's sooo useful for just writing directly on my Prof's slides! I can just focus on highlighting and writing down the important stuff now, which was a game changer for me. It definitely burned a hole in my wallet but pressure sensitivity and accuracy it has basically made my laptop obsolete.

[@Ryne4S]

college dropout here : I use a dollar store pen for taking notes on paper because I can't afford neither of these

[@enduringtech822]

It appeared to me that Audrey is traditionally trained in illustration and hence she adapted to the other pencils very quickly, proving that it's her talent and not the tools that carrys her work. Well, a good piece of tool is still very nice however.

[@noobatredstone3001]

Skill*

[@Jesse_Boholst]

its skill art is a skill

[@morosis82]

Good tools can definitely take the monotony out of a piece of work too, even for professionals. A tool that works precisely how you expect it to and lets you concentrate on the work is easily worth it, especially at the range of a hundred bucks I wouldn't even think twice.

[@simplymyself156]

As an artist I can say.... good tools don't "carry" work per say. If you don't know how to properly use the tool or medium you're working with then it will still look bad :/ if anything bad tools or mediums just hinder an artist and make it difficult to see their actual potential. I see your point though. An artist that is able to make due with what they have is also very skilled :)

[@LowYummy]

@@noobatredstone3001 nobody cares dude let people call it a talent

[@Hoju3942]

As a professional artist myself, the Apple Pencil is the only one I would ever even consider. Pressure sensitivity is one of the most important features and anything lacking that makes it a non-starter. But yeah, if you're not doing art in Procreate or CSP or something? I guess just whichever one is most comfortable in your hand for regular writing. If jotting things down is more important then pressure sensitivity itself might be a negative! Having to press down to take notes quickly could be a hassle I would think.

[@WinterCharmVT]

Even for fast handwriting / note taking *nothing* comes close to the Apple Pencil. It's simply the best stylus out there, and the closest one to an actual pen.

[@jackyyo1998]

Get a samsung tablet then the spen is just as good but it come free with the tablet

[@jepulis6674]

@@jackyyo1998 Good tablets from Samsung are overpriced. The base model ipad is still best value product out there even if you have to spend a bit more for the pen.

[@jackyyo1998]

@jep ulis naa samsung tablets are cheaper than the equivalent teir ipad while including the pen

[@jackyyo1998]

@@adamshaheedh what bad about it? With dex it more of a laptop than any ipad. Professional apps are coming along too plus android 12L is gonna be made for tablets

[@ShaakunthK]

I'll never get tired of the ELITE production quality on this channel

[@matheusdv3920]

Linus Media Group content is top notch

[@TinyMiniStealth]

@@matheusdv3920 Mac Address brings it up even another notch. Impressive

[@allenmobley8444]

@@TinyMiniStealth umm ok I guess if you throw an Apple logo in a video the “production quality” is somehow better. The production is amazing but it’s literally like every other Linus Group just a different genre if you will.

[@no-bz9yq]

@@allenmobley8444 I think I heard Linus said it himself that Mac address has higher production quality than traditional LTT videos if you don’t count some of their bigger projects

[@TinyMiniStealth]

@@allenmobley8444 Where have you seen such a news-like interview style with multi angle-camera on other LMG videos? It was like a mini documentary. Maybe the secret shopper series, but that's pretty much it?

[@SarahKchannel]

I am an artist of similar level, just way older. I am a good 20 years on Wacom's, I own every iPad that does pencils too. I cant say the Wacom and iPad pencils compare in any way, other than they paint. But the truth is not just in the pencil. The glass makes a difference too. Wacom has a slightly 'frosted' feel, that adds resistance to the drawing. Plus Wacom has two buttons and eraser on the back - which totally sucks on the Apple pencil for not having either !! Even after 2 odd years now on the iPad Pro and pencil, I will always go back to the Wacom when ever time and location permits ! (I even have on Cintiq 22HD in a flight case to travel)

[@phantom1100]

I know a lot of people actually buy screen protectors with a different finish on them. Maybe that’s something you should look into.

[@xxxlalo666]

a cheap screen protector for the ipad helps, i also miss the buttons on the pen but i miss more the wacom remote, i wish there there something similar for ipad.

[@ComboSlicer]

"You know, I'm something of an artist myself"

[@TheCompyshop]

I have a frosted screen protector on my iPad, you should buy one and try it out! They will get you close to the Wacom feel but you still use the iPad

[@ChristoSays]

When I first got my iPad Pro, the slick glass was a no go. Now I have a screen protector on my iPad that has a textured film, gives the perfect resistance for me. In regards to shortcuts/features, can't help ya there.

[@dedededamanam4919]

Pressure sensitivity is the thing that makes it feel like actually drawing on paper with pens and pencil. You could technically just scan your traditional art instead and get a better result but it’s so convenient to have this mixture of digital and traditional art.

[@icetanker8062]

I own that "Amazon special" pencil from the video, and for what I use it for, that being note taking and maths, it's perfect. The magnetic attachment is actually super useful and I use it all the time, and the lack of pressure sensitivity doesn't bother me because I don't draw practically ever.

[@Samuel.55]

I appreciate that perspective, but if you don’t mind I’d like to ask: Why do you use an iPad for notes and math? I’m just curious as someone who generally uses paper for notes and math. I’ve tried digital notes but I find it a lot harder to organise

[@icetanker8062]

@@Samuel.55 I hated carrying around pencil cases, stationary, notebooks, textbooks with me all the time as it was really heavy in my backpack, and once I got home I didn't really have anywhere to put all this paper, so an iPad was great from that perspective as it was so much lighter. As for organisation, I recommend either goodnotes and or wondernote as both are great, however I prefer goodnotes as it has very easy to use built in folders, so I have a folder for each subject with sub folders for each topic, and there I'd put my notes. I'd also make sure to give it a sensible title so I can just click search and find what I'm looking for, something you can't do with paper. I also find the iPad is far more powerful, I like to keep my textbook I'm using or safari open in slide over, and I just find it more convenient to use then having separate books or devices for each thing

[@Samuel.55]

@@icetanker8062 Cool, I’ll give those a try, thanks!

[@lisalang]

same, i really like it and the price is actually okay

[@karenalejandra3580]

@@Samuel.55 i'd like to answer your question as well. I changed to tablet in my 3rd grade of middle school (9th grade) mostly because we were using lots of pdfs and files and i dont have a printer at home. It was a small tablet we had at home (Samsung Tab S) that i was already using at home. I stuck to that one until finishing high school, when i decided to upgrade myself tor uni. I got the latest samsung one (s7+) and started notetaking digitally. I had always felt guilty using paper because i felt like i wanted to use as little space as possible to reduce my paper waste (i started writing less information to build up more space) so now i can just use infinite paper which is the only thing i cared while studying :)

[@math1937]

As soon as you said that none of the cheaper alternatives had pressure sensitivity, I was shocked. As an illustrator (primarily digital), not having pressure sensitivity is a complete deal-breaker if I want to use it in any professional capacity and I think all the artists I know would feel the same. If you want to have variation in line weight and you don’t want to take forever going in and adding line weight variation in post, pressure sensitivity is essential.

[@RustyWillis-vx8dl]

Engineering Student here I bought myself an iPad Air M1 and the second gen apple pencil recently and that is the best purchase I've ever made. All my notes in one place, being able to draw diagrams easily, texting my notes to friends, adding pictures to my notes, not having 6 notebooks. The iPad is a must for college students who do handwritten notes.

[@roastedalmonds7154]

Got an iPad Air and pencil for Christmas. Been mostly using it for note taking in college and has been great for it. Also started dabbling in digital art since I’ve always wanted to but never had a drawing tablet.

[@go1gamer781]

same

[@arushh42]

same

[@Renovqte]

same

[@isidoooora]

what would you say it's a starting point if you want to do digital art? like just scribbles in procreate or copying pictures?

[@soniccookie655]

@@isidoooora Are you asking what a good way to start drawing is? There’s a lot of videos on it, but pretty much find something you like (animals, leaves, flowers, people) and start drawing them. Look for photos and drawings by other people to get more ideas about how to do it.

[@Ender275]

The Apple Pencil 2 is just so good. I wasn’t even an art student, but I wound up learning how to draw in procreate because of my marine biology class that required us to do 5 drawings of marine life and it had to be anatomically accurate. I aced all 5 and I can’t imagine doing that without the pressure sensitivity.

[@isa-belva]

it's always so pleasant to come across a video about styluses with an artist involved in it! i groan everytime someone reviews a tablet/laptop with a stylus and doesn't even mention the pressure sensitivity or tilt. the majority may not be artists, but it's something quick and simple to demonstrate that would immensely help the artists amongst the viewers. i appreciate this kind of video so much.

[@mujtabaalam5907]

No idea why they didn't include any stylus that had pressure sensitivity while being cheaper than the Apple pencil

[@NuSpirit_]

Honestly even for notes taking I feel like Apple Pencil is better than alternatives. When writing down in notes it just feels more "real". My only gripe is I had to buy gen 1 so there's the cap and cable :/

[@Katzelle3]

The S Pen also has pressure and tilt sensitivity but needs no battery and the tablet also works with all Wacom EMR pens

[@timsasje]

@@Katzelle3 It's an Apple channel. I get your point, but it's irrelevant for most people. My girlfriend tried a Samsung phone, but didn't like it. People who have Apple products get tunnelvision (with exceptions for tech savvy people) For Most users there is no alternative

[@Katzelle3]

@@timsasje The bigger problem is that they all use Procreate and you can guess what they will say when you tell them that they would have to use a different app

[@SionFrench]

@@Katzelle3 the s pen has a battery, but is charged like the new Apple pencil. An interesting question from your point is EMR better than Apple pencil.

[@Katzelle3]

@@SionFrench The battery is used for remote gesture commands and wireless camera snapping NOT for drawing You can prove that by using an old S Pen which does not have a battery at all on a new tablet It will have the same feature set

[@davidr7830]

Thank you for a very useful review. I'm new to drawing on an iPad and think there is some kind wizardry with the Apple Pencil. I love it. I think the format of your review - i.e. an interview with a prfessional user - is great too. It is much more engaging and influential than watching someone just talk about their own experience.

[@gregorgeous98]

This video really spoke to me! As I started university I needed a pen for my iPad (Air, 3rd gen) and just like you two said, I am not an artist and the logitech crayon was therefore very much the best option at the time, at least if you wanted something cheaper and still reliable. The lightning port is a goody on top, so I need only one cable when traveling and I can charche all my devices. Thank you for your fun and informative videos about the apple ecosystem! Keep up the good work! Greetings from germany👋

[@igsey]

Just wanted to leave a comment to say - I really enjoyed the format of this video! Jonathan is an excellent host and even in the short space of time Mac Address has been running, he's improved massively. The "interview with an expert user" format worked perfectly for this, combined with the little technical facts and how-it-works throughout just made this a very interesting and entertaining video. I say this as somebody without a creative bone in my body and no interest in digital painting!

[@SuSa13182]

I just wanted to tell you that I really like the editorial style and the way the videos are set up. Pairinga a pencile and explanation for one function while dooing so feals really exiting and "new" somewhat so keep up the great work. Feels so different than the other LTT chanels, but it really fits the focus of the chanle.

[@Chapter7Certified]

I think this is the best video concept that this channel has done. Was great to have a professional artist on and trying these things. Loved the format.

[@mattheginger]

The production quality of this video is top notch. Great work! 👍

[@Ben-ig3bf]

It comes down to what you use it for, I'm super happy with my 20€ pencil with no pressure sensitivity. I dont draw on my ipad, I have my huion kamvas 24 for that, and for taking notes in class its pretty dang ok, no need for me to spend the extra money. Having wireless charging magnetically would be nice, but it wouldnt be 70€ more nice for me

[@firasrabaia]

like i use the og galaxy note pen (small one) and even that is enough for me, so then why I should get an pencil for ? (supposing it works on my tablet) but then if u r an artist and it's making you money then that's another story...

[@Ben-ig3bf]

@@firasrabaia idk, personally I dont like the feel of the ipad screen even with the paper like as much as my kamvas pro 24, and the screen space is an entirely different thing

[@Katzelle3]

@@firasrabaia The S Pen uses tech by Wacom who has been Samsungs partner for development so you already have the original with that

[@Ballissle]

Mind if I ask what the purpose of taking notes with a pencil is over using a digital keyboard? I find it easier to keep cleaner notes typing them out. And also type faster than physically write. this is something I have always wondered about and whether it is worth giving a go.

[@ying20000818]

@@Ballissle It does depend on the class/subject/degree. Like for me, I study engineering so my classes are full of graphs, diagrams, equations etc. where a keyboard is more or less useless :)

[@nethusky]

The format of this video was so charming and empathetic, even just for a tech review ! I really enjoyed it!

[@FoolOfATuque]

I’ve had the Apple Pencil for a couple months and I’m not a good artist, but it’s fun to draw with and taking notes with it is awesome. I also have a paper like screen protector that feels really good

[@delscoville]

Since I still use an iPad 8, I use old Apple Pencil model, and comparing it with the Wacom Pad I used to use to draw with, it's like night and day. Apple Pencil reacts the tilt which my Wacom Tablet didn't do. If I ever upgrade to an iPad Air or Pro I would definately upgrade the pencil too. Well worth it.

[@valerienagle5204]

I bought the Amazon pencil and it’s honestly pretty great. I have had pretty much no problems with it. Sometimes it stops working for a second but that’s it. No pressure sensitivity but I personally don’t mind as I’m not good at calligraphy and not using it for drawing. Only note taking. And it’s honestly fantastic if u just need it to replace a pen and paper. I’m so glad I found alternatives before buying an Apple Pencil. But to each their own

[@HoldandModify]

This is a great video and glad you made it! One thing I took away instantly was that $30 Amazon one is the smart choice for those on a budget who need a “workhorse” type pencil. You’re not doing critical art work. As you highlighted, more pedestrian pencil tasks. Go with the cheapest since they all are so close.

[@adityakhabiya5348]

Although the storyline for season 5 of Rick and Morty was not that good imo, the animation and bgfx were on point. Nice work Audrey!

[@TheKaleb503]

Amazing video as always! The production value only seems to keep getting better and better and I love the interview style approach this takes vs other LMG channels. One suggestion or question I have is if it's possible for the artist's social media to be credited in the description. I was wanting to check out her work and while I'm willing to take the time to make a Google search others might not.

[@TaimatCR]

May be she doesn't have social media or does not want it to be public, considering she is in the credits of the video at the end, where you can see the Twitter handle for everyone but her

[@U1TR4F0RCE]

It's interesting to watch this as the whole stuff about a good stylus and note taking for engineering classes was what lead me to go for the surface pro 7 and the related windows pencil.

[@12xx12100]

Just in case you didn’t know: you can buy other tips for the Microsoft to match the feel of actual pencils. Like HB, B and H

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

@@12xx12100 And another tip, a matte screen protector does a good job at giving the thing a paper like feel, and sound.

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

Personally I just think the surfaces are really expensive for what they offer. If you need an all in one it makes sense. But you can't really do real work on them, can't game really either unless you shell out for their highest specced model. One is usually better off just getting a real pc and a budget tablet, something like the s6 lite works perfect for notes and can cost ~300.

[@U1TR4F0RCE]

@@Daniel-dj7fh I have a desktop PC and had been expecting to basically just take notes on the Surface and found that given the diagrams and the way the notes were done in Uni that the XPS 13 that I got in 2016 and actually had a decent amount of horsepower wasn't a good fit. I believe that the XPS I have is one of the higher spec models just used but didn't end up using it much and now mostly use it as just a screen for extra stuff while doing work.

[@tunglamduong3000]

I have the exact same Amazon pencil and I can recommend it if you just want something to take notes or markup documents or just need an active stylus for daily use. It's pretty much the exact same dimension and have very similar weight and feel to the real Pencil 2, and the magnetic attachment to the iPad make it super convenient to carry around in combination with a magnetic case. Although I really do miss the wireless charging capability, its a sacrifice I can justify to keep a full 100 dollar bill for other accessories like an USB C hub and a 3.5mm audio dongle.

[@dakotab.7244]

I had the Adonit Note+ for a few months, but ended up breaking it as every time I unplugged it from charging it started ripping out the innards! ended up just getting the Apple Pencil 2 and definitely prefer it - it's substantially slimmer and doesn't have the same point of failure.

[@TinyMiniStealth]

Great job, really good production quality and content! Interview style should be done more often at LMG

[@karasekjh]

I really wish she had her own KZbin channel. Her way of speaking and expressing herself is very pleasant. Soothing.

[@tritiumgaming4554]

I use the $30 pen for tutoring in University for Computer Science. It does what it has to do, has a charge that lasts, and is really only limited by the device it's working with. Phones, tablets, Mac or Android, it does what it needs to do. Props for adding that in your video!

[@MangoTalksTech]

This was a really unique video on the topic of Apple Pencils!

[@ChiefYoshi]

I use the Apple Pencil for drawing and note taking. It’s amazing, but I’m glad I got it for free because “Apple tax” makes it way more expensive than it should be

[@johnf4300]

Maybe the 2nd Mac Address video I watched and I really like the format. It’s like a review with interviews and just super chill with your narration. Way different energy that LTT but by no means in a bad way. The ambiance of the music really pulls it all together too!

[@SebiKoerner]

The ginger energy is strong with those two! Love it!!

[@javiazar]

Nothing beats an actual Wacom tablet that's separated from the display. I wanna keep my back straight if I have to work all day in photoshop. Leaning forward to see what I'm doing is suboptimal.

[@bengreeley5681]

You can use iPad as tablet

[@javiazar]

@@bengreeley5681 No, you can't use it as a dedicated input device.

[@soniccookie655]

@@javiazar There are actually apps that allow you to plug the iPad into your computer and use it as a drawing tablet and second monitor, as well as stands that make it not comfortable to use. However I agree that the best is still a Wacom tablet, though I use an iPad for the sheer portability.

[@davidhaha8523]

@@javiazar you do know that apps like Duet is a thing... right? Do your research

[@sesialuko]

as someone who uses my iPad to take notes, the Apple Pencil is a HUGE enhancement for note taking. The magnetism of the Apple Pencil makes you less likely to lose it and the Apple Pencil is just generally super super smooth and easy to write with. It’s 100% worth it in my opinion

[@vaishnaviprajapati2120]

Audrey seems like such a lovely person! So calm and charming!

[@lucaswietzemamenkhorst7027]

I must say I really appreciate the work that got into the making of this video. Very well done 👏🏻

[@DrJohn123]

The title should rather read: "Why the overpriced Apple pencil is the only option for professional artists" (with the simple answer: Because it is the only one supporting pressure sensitivity in Procreate)

[@eduardoantohe5172]

What I find the most interesting is that this is all based on the gen 1 Apple pencil. The second gen Apple pencil is better in every way, so I can't imagine how much of a difference it makes

[@vShiny]

This video had such a calming energy to it I really enjoyed watching it

[@ospreyluvr1690]

This video got me thinking, it'd be awesome to have a video series that looks at how people use their iPad. Like for example, I'd be interested in learning more about productivity workflows with my iPad Pro, but I feel like a lot of resources out there are basically ads for apps or don't really talk about how they're used.

[@DrAjASK]

Yeah, I just sharpened my free IKEA pencil from 2014, must say that pressure sensitivity is brilliant!

[@iggysixx]

I've used a Wacom (Intuos 3, bought back when intuos was the professional line) for years and years. The pressure sensitivity is the main thing that's so appealing. But the accuracy - (does it draw EXACTLY where your pen is, and does it register very light touches) - was also SO much better than any other drawing tablets on the market.. (On cheaper tablets, the cursor sometimes jumped around, causing a glitch in your stroke, or selecting the wrong thing on screen) I really, really want to finally try the Apple Pencil.. Need to somehow upgrade to an iPad that supports the 1st gen version. I'll take all the inconveniences (lightning to charge, etc) gladly, if it means I can actually draw on my iPad (and not just in select apps) And I agree that even 130$ is not much, especially for professionals. Specialized calligraphy pens can cost half of that, and are not as versatile. I found it's worth it to have quality tools. (be it drawing implements, or actual tools) The amount of extra joy you get, and less frustration, less time lost, less time correcting... (Even actual graphite pencils.. It's worth it to spend a little more to get quality. It makes a difference in the results, and you spend less time screaming at inanimate objects ;))

[@DDHDTV]

The video style on this channel just hits different. Interviewing a real pro using the product. Loving it

[@garynagle3093]

Great practical video. Appreciated her honest answers

[@Magicmushroomboi]

I’m a student and the reason I chose to go for the Apple Pencil is simply because it integrates better with the iPad, the thing about apple is they design products to work which each other while other apple accessory companies design the product to work for another product, just the nature support within the os for an Apple Pencil was worth it as I knew I would be getting the most out of what this type of product could do. If you go for the base iPad Air I’m sure Apple Pencil price will seem a bit steep however as a student I felt that the cellular model is so much more compelling as it would mean I don’t have to look for wifi in dozens of different campus buildings and could sit down anywhere I want and still be able to access everything I needed, and given that this model with taxes runs at just over $1000 here in Canada the extra $200 spent on the Apple Pencil wasn’t too big of a jump and when I’m already spending over a thousand dollars on something I might as well get the best I could around that price range.

[@herm43506]

Having had worked for Apple, where I was immersed in their culture, style, /everything , for over two years, I really do love the style you have with MacAddress. It stands out well from everything else at LMG in a great way. But it’s still got that LMG feel. In regards to this video, and the Apple Pencil, I use both varieties on work iPads and my personal iPad. I’ve tried two out of the four alternatives you featured, and I still love the original. I do very little drawing, but when I do grab the pencil, it’s great to have it work the way Apple intended. At least, I hope that’s how they intended them to work. Also, been loving the content and the hosting work Jonathan.

[@SimisearOfficial]

How was your time at Apple if you are free to talk about it?

[@ervca06]

This is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen on styli. Amazing

[@kareemellebany3559]

I have to keep praising the style and videography of this channel. Love it.

[@jorismak]

Just to say something .... There are Wacom tablets that include a screen small enough to have them in your lap and/or flat on a table ? I remember using one years ago and thinking it felt really great. The resistance from the tip on the screen surface really felt like a sort pencil on paper.

[@piplup10203854]

I love my apple pencil and I do use it everyday, I wasn't enthusiastic about the price but I can say after using it for over 8 months now every single day it's very very nice and that pressure sensitivity makes a huge difference. I write very very lightly and I like having that be picked up and all those varying line thicknesses make a huge difference for me.

[@robichag]

I am an engineering student and do all my work on my ipad (except a few proprietary applications i need to run on my laptop). Pressure sensitivity is very important. makes the entire process feel more natural. i wouldn’t want to lose that.

[@Lebon19]

This video really felt like I was watching a TV show on a specialized channel. The whole thing felt so serene and professional.

[@lemonbrothers3462]

This was very nice. I liked the mention on how some of the alternatives also offer pressure sensitivity on supported apps but I feel like it should be more emphasized: the apple pencil is great but the reason the other ones are so far behind is because apple wants it so!

[@DavidStruveDesigns]

Yeah my thoughts exactly. Of course the Apple Pencil is the best, it was designed and developed from the ground-up to be used with the iPad and vice-versa. And not a single Pencil alternative has ALL of the features of their Apple counterpart because that would make their product a) essentially a clone of the Pencil that Apple doesn't get 100% of the money for and b) potentially even better than the Pencil, and Apple certainly can't be having that!! But they're not alone in this - Wacom is the same with their Wacom styluses, as are most companies that have their own ecosystems where 3rd party products/content are concerned - it's rare that they get to compete on a truly even playing field and even rarer for the 3rd party to produce a definitively better product. And often when they do, they end up getting bought out by that main company pretty quickly any way. Such is the world of modern business, where competition is great - but only if they're producing a lower quality/feature product than you!

[@thomasp001]

I'm a non-artist who studies Electrical Engineering & Japanese (Dual Degree). I use an Apple Pencil 2 W/ a 2020 iPad air, and although pressure sensitivity doesn't do that much for more when doing engineering work, with me often disabling it, it makes all the difference when handwriting in Japanese, and for that reason worth the extra cost imo.

[@sjf21]

I'm just about to finish up a degree in ECE and now thinking about an iPad Air, so this perspective is really nice! Thank you!

[@engrapadoras]

I just want to point out how thanks to this channel I've been more open to consider Apple products. Thanks for the good work

[@pinkuho2419]

Amazing video quality. You make it look like a professional documentary and make me want to keep watching.

[@xxxlalo666]

been using my ipad pro to draw for about a year, the pen pressure took me a while to get use too compared to my cintiq pro pen, the apple pencil pressure sensitive feels like old wacoms pens (talking intuos 4 era) i can't give a opinion of tilt as i deactivate it in both as is annoying to me.

[@aashish_aryal]

Considering Samsung gives S Pen for free with their Tabs, Apple Pencil is definitely overpriced.

[@EpicGamer-no3yj]

I like this format of Mac Address. It's nice to have kind of a more in depth episode on experiences with real creators!

[@eliezeralvesmartins]

The best ever video!!!thank you bro!!

[@mitchellkirkham844]

Respectfully, as a medical student the pressure sensitivity of the Apple Pencil is a huge asset to my note taking. It is very sensitive to the point that I can have a lot of granular control over what I am annotating and diagramming. I am also an engineer and I can say the same for my experience in that field. I’ve used both the first and second generation pencils and they are equally as great in that regard. Plus the inductive charging of the second generation pencil is super super convenient. You don’t ever have to think about battery which for me is a huge deal.

[@glorb4568]

My dad got a cheap apple pencil from the black friday deals and I have been using it since. Before then, I had two different 13-14$ styluses that I would use to draw, but they were HORRENDUS because they wouldn't have palm rejection, let alone pressure sensitivity. Other than that, the biggest reason to buy the apple pencil for me is the fact that it just snaps into my ipad's case, and does not need to be separately charged. This takes out A LOT of stress of remembering to charge such a non -essential item, as well as solving to storage problem. I would recommend an apple pencil for that reason alone.

[@Ballissle]

That is the newer Apple pencil right? I hate that my 1st gen apple pencil has to be charged either with a cable in the back or having it stick out horribly out the bottom of the iPad where it could be easily broken if bent.

[@glorb4568]

Yes I don’t know how the 1st gen Apple Pencil even got out of the design phase :/

[@simarjeetsingh4633]

This channel is so relateable to lmg whilst being un related 😄 great work

[@Sakuyushi]

I simply love Mac Address. They always bring new insights. Keep up the good work!!!

[@JohnMarshall-NI]

I would like Apple to update the firmware of the pencil 2.0 so that it did not continually suck the battery from the iPad Pro. The pencil will suck the ipad to dry in a matter of days. It's unnecessary. Let the pencil get to 50% before it starts sapping the iPad battery.

[@superneenjaa718]

As an engineering student, I bought the cheapest one available. I don't care about tilt or whatever. 130 for a pencil is ludicrous for me. I can buy 3 full priced books or add extra 16 GB of extra RAM in my PC with that, which I can definitely use.

[@carlbenzlozano8929]

First time I watched from Mac Address and I can say I enjoy the quality videography and the interview part. Feels like a TV show. I am a casual Apple Pencil user and I mostly use it for notes but I’m planning to learn Procreate for fun or maybe for another skill I can use to earn money from.

[@Bruntygenius]

It was interesting watching you draw left handed, I am left handed and recognise the "awkward" angle that you use to avoid smudging the ink, I have something similar. Of course this isn't needed on the iPad but its just ingrained in how to draw/write

[@johnhoo6707]

Engineer here. I happen to have the Apple Pencil as my main stylus on the iPad Pro, but I have owned other stylus/tablet combos before, including Wacoms. My feeling on this is that most engineers aren’t going to sweat the price difference between these styluses. I will probably never notice the difference between the styluses, but hey the official Pencil has all the bells and whistles for not a whole lot more. A non-professional artist might sweat it though.

[@truthseeker6804]

anyone getting an ipad pro, this isnt expensive for them. its just overpriced, thats the issue. and unless youre an artist its hard to justify for something just to write notes.

[@justsomeguy5103]

Which use cases do styluses have in engineering?

[@TalesOfWar]

@@truthseeker6804 How is it overpriced when it's not that much more than the alternatives, but has full support for all the extra things like system wide pressure sensitivity and is more accurate with less latency?

[@localblackman427]

@@justsomeguy5103 forgive me if I sound prude but do you know what an engineer does? Even as a software engineer we draw things all the time. Workflows, APIs, rubber ducks, etc. My brother in law thats an electrical engineer draws out incredible diagrams and schemas that later get redrawn in different programs for blue prints and things. A good stylus is key, but software support is just as important as the hardware provided. And not all apps are created equal

[@truthseeker6804]

​@@TalesOfWarjust to clarify, i'm not saying this isnt worth it, its worth it for the artist who wants to draw on their ipad. pressure sensitivity is mainly for artist. now i say, overpriced because for $130 there are complete budget screen tablets for that price. this is just a pencil. i bought my wacom tablet for my laptop less than the cost of this pencil and that was a tablet and pen (non screen tablet). although im an artist and can afford this, i cant justify spending more than i spent on my wacom also because i dont use my ipad pro for art, mainly for youtube and content consumption. if i used my ipad pro for art i'd consider getting one. so again, its worth it for artist who want to draw on their ipad. for others who want to write not worth it. other things i dont use on my ipad pro is the keyboard or screen protector, again because i use my ipad pro just for content consumption not art. i occasionally use a case. i think find what works for you. might i be interested in drawing on the ipad pro? not really, because when im on the ipad usually im lounging and just watching movies. when im doing art, i try to be "serious" be on computer start and finish. because i do art for work. i've passed the stages of doing art for fun. for fun its movies and youtube for me. hehe. well, thats probably the real reason. lol. so if you wanna do art on the ipad, go for it. easy choice there.

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

I was expecting this literally to be a wood & graphite pencil for drawing on paper and I was horrified by the cost.

[@Dominus_Potatus]

I bought the $30 stylus because i need it to taking notes and remote teaching. It serves me well.

[@nokstabln]

production quality for this video is top! noice!!

[@truthseeker6804]

im an artist but cant justify 130 on an apple pencil, maybe because i use my ipad pro for content consumption not art. art i do on my wacom. i'd go for the 30 bucks pencil. just for fun. ive really not considered drawing on the ipad, mainly because when im using it, i see it as a content consumption device.

[@Dannyman390]

It’s really cool how this channel has managed to in my opinion outperform other Apple focused channels that seem to have stagnated waiting for new products. Mac Address has something different that really works!

[@yairweinberg1647]

I am honestly impressed by this channel. The content and way of presenting it and generally the feel of the videos are so wildly different than the rest of the LMG channels...

[@davidvenus5040]

Really really cool video format!

[@th0mahawk]

The whole reason I ended up selling my surface pro and getting an ipad pro was because the stylus was so slow to respond when doing large quick strokes. Even with full support for desktop photoshop on the surface, it just wasn't worth the struggle.

[@SnapquesterMage]

The S-Pen that came with my Samsung Tab S6 for free two years ago is excellent. And I significantly prefer it to the iPad Pro 2018 + Apple Pencil I have to use for work as a teacher.

[@srikrishna7926]

Your production values are very rich, I really appreciate that!

[@Casmael01]

Wow excellent production quality nice one lads

[@ardemus]

Now, *why* is the Apple pencil the only one with pressure sensitivity? Is that because Apple pulled off something impressive, or did they just decide to give themselves an advantage and lock that feature to their first party products?

[@yuikol14]

It's probably the latter because he said in the video that one pencil has pressure sensitivity that works in other apps

[@robinrai4973]

I suspect some apple-ing going on, other platforms like wacom have native pressure with third party pens and what not

[@elcapitan008]

It is actually extremely overpriced because it is functionally disposable. Check around Apple support forums and you will find that if you leave it dormant for any notable length of time the battery goes into a state loop where it cannot be properly charged. Pair this with the way its constructed and these are quickly becoming landfill fillers.

[@soniccookie655]

Good point. This is one of the biggest flaws of the Apple Pencil.

[@Travisharger]

Wish they mentioned the ability to charge magnetically on the side of the iPad. Huge advantage that is worth it for me. That one sticks to the side but did it charge as well?

[@rajanbhateja6844]

The quality of this channel keeps getting better

[@Photo0021]

I think it's only overpriced because Samsung has offered the SPen on their Galaxy Tabs for free, and they're as great as the Apple Pencil in my usage. Otherwise, the Apple Pencil is the best of the best on the iPad side.

[@a.8874]

Wow, she's cute and seems to have a great personality. You're a lucky dude whoever you are 😉👍

[@Juanfernandoz]

This its the kind of woman that a los of people love but they are so few these times...

[@a.8874]

@@Juanfernandoz Sadly, that's very very true 😕

[@j.peralta7669]

I really loved your video thank you so much, that information it's extremely valuable to me

[@Okami-Chann]

Love the channel keep up the great work!

[@petrospintilie1919]

apple fans coping

[@Anagusame]

Nah, how the fuck do you release a new video the day before my Apple Pencil repair?

[@macaddress]

You're getting your Pencil repaired?!

[@FlyingPigChannel]

These things can get repaired?

[@knate44]

As someone looking to get into field sciences like Geology, Ecology, and Archeology, the apple pencil (particularly the apple pencil 2) is hard to beat for the convenience of the magnetic snap and not having to deal with extra cables. Now that the mini supports Apple pencil 2, it is a very attractive lightweight set up for the maximum portability without compromising power. I do not need the full canvas size for simple field sketches, but still having access to those capabilities in the field is wonderful... Probably, field courses have been on delay during last year, so I'll update you on it later lol.

[@chocdraws]

YES PRESSURE SENSITIVITY IS VERY ESSENTIAL. especially after I started using some brushes that can change its shape with pressure.