Why The Beastie Boys Are Not The Greatest Group Of All Time: The Black Panther Theory

[@A-Oh-Trey]

If we're really going to get into this, I don't believe in a "greatest" anything when it comes to art. It's just too subjective, unless you just wanna go off pure accolades, achievements, and numbers. But to me, music is ultimately about enjoyment, and The Beastie Boys, A Tribe Called Quest, Outkast, and Run-D.M.C have all put out tons of music I enjoy. They're all greats in my book. As for who which group is the greatest, I'll let y'all worry about that.

[@dominiquepopinski4675]

Tre' Jones dam you said what i felt on point

[@RobVespa]

Exactly! This... The only things I want to comment on are the accolades - Well, artistically speaking, they hold no worth. The other thing is - Why does this always come down to race? It's sad. What a horrible handicap and limitation.

[@mattb8608]

Tre' Jones couldn't have said it better myself

[@RF-vg5kv]

Absolutely agree!! 👍 i could give two craps about grestest this or greatest that or lists. Its all a stupid waste of time. I just enjoy music.

[@nicholasarnell7571]

Comment of the year

[@troycummings709]

A Tribe Called Quest might have the best album covers of all time

[@KardiFan2000]

Naw.

[@ferdinanndo1737]

Troy Cummings Maybe...

[@bradhoover1236]

Kanye west

[@youngsemitruck4x417]

Fax

[@AndersRDH]

Out of this list I'm gonna go ahead and say Tribe have the 2 best albums in MM and LET. However I feel a certain asian inspired group from the bastard borough is left off. 36 Chambers is imo THE best group album in all of hip-hop, and it's not even close, it's pretty much 10/10 bangers all the way through. Without them I don't think NY Hip-Hop evolves the way it does, no mafioso and no grimy beats, from 36 chambers to Tical to OB4CL to Liquid Swords to return to the 36 chambers to Iron Man to Wu-Tang forever (and yeah considering how RZA is a througline and the heavy colabs on almost every solo album, I'm gonna count it all under one), no other group matches this run, heck it'd be hard to find anyone in all of hip-hop who can match this run. Not to mention Deck is the greatest opener in all of hip-hop, so good 2pac even had to remove him from his track (alright that's debatable, that's what I think happened).

[@bigkroner766]

I think if the beastie boys weren’t white they would still be considered one of the greatest because their music was so different and more eclectic than any other hip hop group at the time, the music and influence transcends their race or success because of it

[@SneepDeg]

Lowgain they basically were the white version of run dmc

[@EmbassyNerdcore]

And then after their 2nd album they did other stuff too and everyone just dismisses it because they only look at L2Ill and PB.

[@NicoOutside]

The rap community fist act like they are a joke. But they got skill and attitude, that's what make BB is unique

[@Disco_Breakin]

@@SneepDeg only on one record and thats because they were both managed by simmons and the two bands/groups/crews were hanging out a lot. The beasties looked up to run dmc and rightly so. The next record, pauls boutique sounds NOTHING like anything that had come before it in 88 and very little since. Then the fact that capitol had paid them a huge advance and didnt want anything to do with them allowed them to build G-Son studio, get back on the instruments and make two of the most eclectic records in rock/rap history (check your head and ill communication).

[@beandipss]

@@SneepDeg if you really believe that you don't know the Beastie Boys past Licensed to Ill.

[@THENBASTORYTELLER]

Ok 100k people watched the Beastie Boys video - not even 2k people comment, and with that only a portion bash you.... I'd say the "silent majority" heard your argument, processed it level headedly, and kept it moving... MOST folks were not misrepresenting the points in your video. just the vocal edge... which should be addressed, but you can't act it was EVERYBODY...

[@jstun2318]

Silent majority like the ones that voted for Trump. It’s facts that if B.B. was not white they probably would’ve been ignored. Black people are the minority so your argument about the comments prove the black panther theory that because of a black super hero movie took this long it shows how we have to see white culture because it’s most of the time not a representation of us. Hip-hop was created by us as a way to talk about our culture so when theres a white rapper most black won’t have the same connection to their music no matter how popular they are. They’re like a white super hero, we are forced by the majority to see that hero if you want to read comics and a lot of times the white rapper gets bigger audience just because he is able to connect with a white person in the same way that a black super hero would connect to black kids.

[@THENBASTORYTELLER]

nah - I knew someone would try to spin this - no we're not talking the Reagan "Silent Majority" just the dynamics of Comments vs likes

[@pennywiserule5]

Gotta back you up NBA, I wasn't surprised that the people who commented had those opinions, but I feel like the actual message of the video reached a lot more people than you would think reading the shitty comments.

[@keydaniels]

"Put that in your hipster pen and vape it!"😂😂😂

[@kenshigo3833]

priceless! xD

[@spotop81]

Kevonte Daniels I lost my coffee when he said that line

[@nrucafeto]

“We were just trying to be ourselves; except for a lot of the time, we were trying to be RUN DMC.” - the King AdRock - during an interview with Sway.

[@PrimeraEspadaStark]

@def creator Actually know, Run-DMC were more trying to do the opposite of the Furious 5 and them, who were overly connected still to the Disco era. Run-DMC separated Hip Hop from the flashy, disco style music that Kurtis and Flash and them were still mainly working off of, Run-DMC brought the boom-bap, minimal breakbeats from the street with hardcore, aggressive rap delivery, unlike anything before them. Caz, and Melle Mel and them were pioneers too, great and all, but RUN-DMC did there own thing

[@zroy9263]

@def creator That might be true, but RUN DMC and JMJ took hip-hop to another level period! The music was called rap before they came out on the scene, and when they were through with it, it was known as HIP-HOP!

[@dariushenry88]

Beastie Boys may not have been THE greatest groups, but they were influential in the Rap Game. Remember, their album, "Licensed to Ill" is the first Hip-Hop album to go number one, making Hip-Hop more mainstream along with Run-DMC and LL Cool J. And also, they released one of the dopest Hip-Hop albums of all time, "Paul's Boutique". If you never listen to it, I highly recommend it.

[@chopydave]

Pauls boutique is a sampling master piece.. I mentioned in a another comment that the beasties were not lyricists. They used doo doo rhymes.. There true passion was the music and making beats.

[@chrisdwyer1791]

yo, I literally just posted what you said dam near word for word...But didn't see your post until after. Facts, and more facts...

[@maxsmart9116]

soid drone slayer that's not what he's saying at all. Read it again

[@kelvin88keyes]

Totally agree! My 2nd favorite Beasties album next to Licensed!

[@kelvin88keyes]

Depends on who you ask bruh..Im from Texas all day, and as much as i love Ball and MJG, UGK, Geto Boys..we vibed on Tribe, PE, NWA, RUN-DMC and Beasties, etc..

[@ShelJones]

Still no love for De La Soul. They're still actively making music and have never sold out. Didn't Q-Tip recently throw a tantrum because ATCQ didn't get a Grammy nod?

[@hihihi8447]

Sheldon Jones I agree. De La Soul have always stayed consistently good even when they would change their style. And had good humor while also touching on serious topics. Q _Get in the zone of positivity_ Tip rant was something.

[@Benjieboy247]

De la soul are so underrated it's unreal

[@steveneveneven]

Much love to De La Soul- I'm not sure they're "the definitive greatest," but they deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the rest of these groups.

[@pkt976]

Very underrated and crafty lyricist.

[@thatpatguy]

De La might be my all time favourite.. though Run DMC are right up there too.. but yeah.. De La just got overshadowed by Tribe and definitely don't get the recognition they deserve

[@proph8772]

Without Run DMC there's nobody.

[@TheLexiconDevils]

Well there’s a lot of people still .... they’d just be playing disco looking like Rick James

[@donnysander9711]

Wutang would have stil came along...

[@Edwordcomic]

@@donnysander9711 no they wouldn't

[@mannystylz]

Sad to see so many people getting bent out of shape over last week's breakdown. People saying they unsubscribed or demanding a retraction etc LoL. I guess it's today's viewing habits people like watching things they agree with (fox news msnbc) God forbid Murs say something your delicate egos can't handle. The man holding it down every week. Appreciate!

[@chandrastar5939]

Agreed, Manny. Ppl gotta escalate their mental.

[@mannystylz]

Akil E. I didn't agree with the piece either. It still doesn't diminish the good work done by Murs and the team. People were saying they won't fucks with hiphopdx or demanding Google take the vid down etc [paraphrasing]

[@TAVROSH]

Murs is REAL fuck all that fake shit and not saying your opinion! I am glad this man shows some LOVE for the golden age and the 80s!!!

[@samwest1097]

Preach

[@a.m.4049]

true-er words have never been spoken my man

[@976weeble]

The consistent quality of Beastie Boys' work and the fearless experimentation, is what sets them apart. I love RUN DMC, and Sucker Mc's is the best hip hop track ever recorded, but I don't think they maintained the level of quality over the years that Beastie Boys did. I'd argue that they were better Tribe too.

[@2552legoboy]

I thought qtip was a god in sampling I still thonk he is and then I listened to Paul’s boutique and I think it can’t be matched

[@CarlosHernandez-rl2wg]

Yup, Murs nailed it with the RUN DMC reason. As matter of fact, they even used a demo RUN DMC song "Slow and Low" on their first album. However, the Beasties are one of my favorite groups. And not because they are white (Shit, I'm not white!), but because they had a unique style and respected the culture. To discredit them based on race is stupid.

[@TAVROSH]

I assume Murs meant "greatest hip hop group of all time"...

[@micahatkins5286]

Eminem’s first album went quadruple platinum. Being white is the primary reason for his record breaking success. Record execs “tried” to tailor him even more to this “particular demographic”. Beastie Boys were no different. In fact, they slowly moved away from the culture with every album. To dismiss the affects & benefits of race is naive

[@CarlosHernandez-rl2wg]

Micah Atkins Yes, I am aware of marketing and fans focusing on their being white, which can catapult one to stardom (Ex. Vanilla Ice). But, from a non-industry and non-racial perspective I can't discredit unique skill and influence. Easy E was a fan of the Beasties. Kendrick is a fan of Eminem. Do I think the Beasties or Eminem are the end all be all GOATs? No. I would have to give RUN DMC the 1 slot for a group for being the complete image and sound of a B-boy, going on big tours, getting endorsements, and having a worldwide impact culturally/sonically. The Beasties and Eminem are still respected in my book for contributing to the culture regardless of race.

[@zroy9263]

I'm down with BEASTIE BOYS for life because them niggas are funky! But they were punk rockers first! They knew that punk was on it's way out, and were inspired by this amazing art, style, attitude, culture and music that was coming from poor, yet proud and strong black and Latino cats from the streets of NYC. They had to copy this style, and they used the almighty influence of RUN DMC to get into it. Had it not been for the fact that they were WHITE, a lot of their white fans would have never bothered with rap music period!

[@cauav.odossantos9138]

@@micahatkins5286then why didnt House Of Pain or 3rd Bass sell as much as they did

[@kingblakistani7007]

ATCQ in my opinion. Helped push social conscience hip hop and helped with neo soul.

[@rafeekgafoor8084]

Romey Specs87 I love tribe, but for every tribe album De La’s was better. Peoples - Daisy age Low end - de la is dead Midnight- buhloone mind state Beats rhymes - stakes is high Love - a.o.i.

[@aR0ttenBANANA]

+Rafeek Gafoor word

[@KardiFan2000]

Rafeek Gafoor De La Soul Is Dead ain't touching Low End Theory...I agree with the rest though.

[@abdougunner2560]

Them and the roots 💯💯

[@kelvin88keyes]

its funny you say that because both of those album are my favorite albums from the two groups!

[@VeganofCourse]

I couldn't even look at the comments on the Beastie GOAT vid because I knew all the angry would be in there. I got into RunDMC and Beasties at the same time as a white kid in LA, and then Tribe dropped Scenario and I looked at me friends and we couldn't believe what we were hearing. I think Tribe could have done instrumental albums if they didn't have so many problems with each other and their label, and I think Wutang could have too. But Beastie Boys did it! And their longevity and their broad appeal and their prolific output puts them on top. Not by a lot, but still. And I'll never forget when Busta comes in on the track. Life-changing moment. Best intro to an artist ever. Keep up the great work Murs!

[@Lucas-yc9wb]

Outkast >>>>

[@ilovefarmersonly1430]

EmoElmo ATLians all day, I just went on a road trip with my pops and made it 5 hours without skipping a song...

[@kjk607]

Aren't they a Duo.

[@ilovefarmersonly1430]

Suit Up still a group...run dmc had 1 man make the beats.. that's a duo also

[@kjk607]

yoo It's mel there are 3 known members to Run dmc. 3 = Trio. There are 2 known members to Outkast. 2 = Duo. If hip hop is run by different rules just let me know. I'm just stating facts I learned in school.

[@israeltenorio404]

Hieroglyphics ? Living Legends ?

[@liamshope2838]

HipHopDx, you can't keep avoiding Death Grips

[@bboybrokken]

liam shope i hope he does

[@liamshope2838]

Seriously, I don't understand how a channel that analyzes the landscape of Hip-Hop so much, in such a comprehensive and intelligent way, has yet to talk about Death Grips, the most forward thinking, boundary pushing, and creative act not only in the genre, but the decade, and probably this century so far.

[@allahbless2278]

liam shope I like them but damn you gotta broaden your musical horizon if you think they're the most creative and boundary pushing artists of the decade

[@Dukesucks]

It's because Death Grips *isn't* online

[@xray2316541]

liam shope Did you just hear the Money Store or something?

[@danielalejandro7425]

I'm from América latina, and i have to say it, the beastie boys are my favorites cause they show me that hip hop culture It's from every one, every where, any time. They also show me that rapping could be fun Or just different from violence Or some other stuff. They also do punk, jazz, funk, bossa-nova, rock, etc.

[@nine27]

In no particular order. Outkast, A Tribe Called Quest, Wu Tang Clan.. the 3 best groups ever

[@whitefolks282]

UGK?

[@nine27]

Michael Hunter luv PE but yepp they aint tribe kast or wu

[@PublicDiscourse]

CF. Buck D12? Black hippy?

[@williamlavagna1096]

Except OutKast aren't a group.

[@chalkywhite6597]

Dyke Killer replacement tribe with bone thugs or ugk

[@mememan3799]

Sorry fam but Tribe is by far the best group

[@daveyboy_]

Meme Man Q-Tip collaborated with the Beastie Boys (Get it Together )

[@TAVROSH]

I agree. but if a majority of ppl (most of them white folks) consider Eminem the GOAT, then why shouldn't the Beastie Boys be considered as an important part of the culture for what they did to expand hip hop at their time? I remember they were still celebrated during my school days, them and house of pain. Depends on what your definition of GOAT is, if its about impact or skill or influence or sales.... 50 cent lowkey fucked everything up when he made hip hop be so much about the sales figures SMH

[@controlyourlife346]

Meme Man nahhhh they music corny in my opinion

[@apparentbadvibesponge]

@@TAVROSH (I know it was a year ago but hey) Anyone that thinks Eminem is the GOAT needs their heads checked. I got into him on the first LP without knowing he was white but everything after was a repeat. Him being white actually put me off a little, but mainly because there's only so many times you can remake the same song. Beasties actually took me from rap and r&b and into rock oddly. My love for them runs deep and they expanded my world through their creativity and spirit. I'm not about saying anyone is the greatest but Tribe and Beasties were on the level. They're both the GOAT in their own respective and collaborative ways.

[@duncanwalter3613]

I like the use of Black Panther. This is how I feel about Eminem

[@xlinconnu7242]

Duncan Walter me too

[@williamlavagna1096]

I don't like Eminem because he's white. I listen to his music (or used to) because he's a great rapper.

[@duncanwalter3613]

William Lavagna we're not saying that. The first attraction for us was bc as the vid said he looked and sounded like us. We still listen to him bc of his greatness

[@jacobdorian-vincent5408]

@@duncanwalter3613 i listened to pac jada and n.o.r.e way before i found eminem

[@ids5621]

NWA all the way, on influence alone the NWA family tree is the best in hip hop

[@hemiyachtcharger6538]

[Ids5621-Retro] agreed, but not lyrical

[@jaymacc93]

hemiyacht charger MC Ren and Ice Cube were both lyrical fuck are you talking about.

[@daveyboy_]

NWA sampled the Beastie Boys Harrrrd !

[@jaymacc93]

Davey boy beastie boys jacked run DMC flow so what's your point.

[@daveyboy_]

John A. my point is . this guy said that NWA influenced all kinds of rappers thus should be ahead of tbe Beasties based just on that . Yet they sampled from the same group that he claims are inferior !

[@ariekanibalie]

Tribe as far as setting the bar for what people think of when you say 'hip hop' but you really have to give it up to NWA for all the reasons mentioned, as well as for bringing a sense of humour to their rhymes that subsequent gangsta rappers haven't necessarily taken up.

[@troycummings709]

The pump fake is the greatest move in basketball

[@xannyboofer7029]

Troy Cummings like mike??

[@TheClockblocker]

Troy Cummings irrelevant

[@troycummings709]

Those who know it's relevance appreciate it

[@MursTv]

What about the sky hook?

[@QFerg]

Troy Cummings ok Mal

[@matthewmcneany]

I think the thing to remember about any subculture is that it's always symbiotic, RUN-DMC wouldn't have been as good as they were without the Beastie Boys, Visa Verca. King of Rock itself has huge rock and punk influences that I don't think would have been as prominent if Beastie Boys weren't also doing what they had been doing. Equally RUN-DMC had an iconic sound that the Beastie boys massively borrowed from as stated in the video.

[@mattschumacher4581]

But the Beastie boys did influence the WHOLE rap rock genre. And the whole “what if they were white” argument is an interesting idea, but it really holds no weight when you remember that without the Beastie Boys, hip hop would still only be a black genre. But this was a great vid with mature and humble responses to the irrational vulgarity spewed out in the comments. I would like you guys to tackle the subject of rap-rock next week and dive deep into the relationship between rock&roll and hip hop.

[@EmbassyNerdcore]

To be honest, if the Beasties were black, they would have WAY more respect from hip hop. They might not have sold as much off the top, but people would be talking about Pauls Boutique the way todays kids talk about Kanye and Pharrell - top production and game changing beats and samples. Because they are white, a lot of hip hop dismisses everything they did after License to Ill, and just call them corny.

[@mattschumacher4581]

EmbassyNerdcore yeah good point I think the only rapper whose success and respect revolves around his white skin is eminem. If em wasn’t white, he wouldn’t be in the spotlight, and em’s best music is about his view in the public eye

[@mainsmain]

@@EmbassyNerdcore that's kinda racist

[@MarcP5267]

@@mattschumacher4581 nope. I’m white and listen and watch a lot of other hip hop people talk about Eminem. Out of all the white rap groups and rappers it’s pretty common that black people call him the n word like he’s part of the culture.

[@SotNist]

Bro, it was us who made arguments against your case last time, and you who argued out the gate against the idea of white privilege negating their legacy... now you've completely flip flopped, but not in a paradox reconciliation kinda way. Plus last time you were trying to argue why a posse can't be a group (Wu-Tang), but now you're giving props to duos as best groups.

[@dannyp7791]

OutKast are a duo, not a group

[@jtheproducer5170]

Murs really put's himself out there & takes a lot of heat on behalf of the culture... RESPECT!

[@fuzzydunlop1753]

True, gotta respect that shit.

[@angelganon8213]

That's murs?

[@ethancallahan5066]

Still didn’t mention Wu Tang Clan

[@benkennedy4894]

DatDude23Gaming Murs mentioned them in the previous episode. He isn't considering them a group for this discussion.

[@KO9596]

But they are a group, if not then NWA isn't a group either

[@ethancallahan5066]

How are they not a group though? They literally just had an album last year

[@timb641]

DatDude23Gaming he said he isn't considering them a group because of the magnitude of members in the group and the intricacies of each them. He considering them a crew to omit them from discussion.

[@KorgmasterKlax]

When you have that many members yeah I think you have to look at it like a crew. Plus with all the disputes within them can you call them a successful group, they were a gathering of tons of talent... a crew. Still GOAT

[@RichKohli2]

Let me add my perspective. I was introduced to rap in the mid 80's. I use to pick up WJLB out of Detroit. That was my first introduction to rap. I enjoyed listening to the beats, the poetry, and the different styles. For Christmas, my dad bought me a mix tape of various rap artists such as Curtis Blow, Grand Master Flash and the Furious Five, Run DMC and the Beastie Boys. I played it all the time. But my big introduction was to Run DMC and their collaboration with AeroSmith with Walk This Way. It brought together this new form of music, and rock, which I do like. This was the first rap album I bought and Run DMC, to this day, is my all time favorite group. The second rap album I bought was Licensed to Ill. I was naive to the origins of rap, but I liked it. As I grew up, and listened to more groups and began understanding the origins, my taste were for the groups that rapped about the social injustices of life in America. KRS-1 and Boogie Down Productions and Public Enemy brought the black experience to me and helped me to understand other cultures. But, without groups such as Run DMC and the Beastie Boys opening up that world, I would have still been naive to the life and experiences of so many people. Are the Beastie Boys a GOAT, no, but they were a gateway for curiousity to explore and learn black life and culture, and for some of us, a beginning to understand, learn and become enlightened.

[@forformgamer]

I feel like the continuous mention of black vs white keeps polarizing things. Maybe it's because it's not as prevalent here in the Netherlands as it is in the U.S.... It feels as if both "sides", which I hate to call them, feel the need to keep mentioning it. Man, I wish I could take that polarization away from you all :( As a young adult, being a teenager in the early 2000s, I remember being a hero when I came to school with an Outkast album. Also when I arrived with The Eminem Show. We all had love for black artist and for white artists... Hell, we just loved good artists. I stopped to make lists about who is the best or greatest, because it always ends in arguments. Let's just respect the artists and love the fucking great music they all gave us. Black or white or whatever colour on the spectrum

[@bobtwichew3103]

Yeah the divide here in the US sucks. Racism is basically taught to you over here. I grew up in an awesome area in South Jersey where we as kids wouldn't listen to our parents or any other elders about keeping to one's own race. We All played sports together and all the other things kids do together. All colors,nationalities it didn't matter to us. I'm 51 now and I still have all those same friends of different colors and nationalities. Enjoyed learning about all the different cultures. Seems like racism is getting worse here as I age. Such a shame.

[@flopofshame2582]

Only de la Soul and the beastie boys have had a several decade career and consistently changed their style and made hit records the whole time. No other groups did that. Very few solo artists did that.

[@VZAAGE]

No Snoop, No Em, No 50... How you going to leave out Kendrick though?

[@bo0tybandit]

VZA and no Pac

[@KardiFan2000]

Naw, Digital Underground put on Pac, not NWA or Dre.

[@carltongaston9383]

Pl ease pay attention people. Outkast is and will forever be the GOAT (group) ATLien Every Day All Day

[@jackdamenace13]

I think he’s referring to direct impact! Kung Fu Kenny was influenced but Top Dawg WAS the one who FIRST discovered Kendrick, not Cube, not Dre, and Not Eazy.

[@grizkryptick6369]

There overrated

[@GrimeMinister41]

WU TANG CLAN IS THE BEST

[@kendrickthereault1448]

I’m late af but I want to express that the Beastie Boys are considered one of the best not on the basis of race but that they experimented just like RUN-DMC with infusing Rock with Rap which opened up rap music for many other people, at the time during the 80s rock bands were much bigger than rap music at the time, I am not saying that they weren’t mainstream but when RUN-DMC and Aerosmith collaborated to make a cover of walk this way it opened rap music to a new group of people. Public enemy collaborated with heavy metal band Anthrax to make Bring the noise which was also a big band. Rap and Rock collaborations made new genres of music like RapRock with bands such as P.O.D. Kid Rock... it also influenced punk music as a whole like the offspring, SR-71...

[@tgrjhit7203]

I'm an aspiring southern rapper and Outkast forever ( to me) will be the greatest rap group ever

[@WickedNemesis]

A.J THE KID RAPPER although i agree with Beastie Boys argument, Outkast is UNDERRATED

[@adoptedaiden7382]

A.J THE KID RAPPER organize konfusion washes OutKast

[@adoptedaiden7382]

Pharoahe Monch alone is more lyrical than both big boi and Andre combined.

[@tgrjhit7203]

Adopted Aiden in your opinion also your a fellow Adin I'm an Adin but as you can see I spell it different also how do you know I base my greats on lyrical ability and if I did Outkast would be above, in my opinion Pharoahe Monch

[@anthonymoronez3328]

I feel like they would be recognized whether they were black brown or yellow. They were innovative and were different and no one had their sound. And still dont.

[@tgrjhit7203]

no N.W.A no Kendrick Lamar who is my favorite rapper out right now but Outkast will always be the greatest (to me)

[@linwoodavenue4300]

WU-TANG! It's not even close.

[@dannyfonseca07]

Diallo Williams naw

[@youtubeuniversity9098]

Wu tang was huge for suburbia, but Outkast is and will be known as the greatest. They're still able to sell out crowds and still have interest for future projects.

[@whitefolks282]

Jovon Foster Wu Tang isn't popular in the suburbs what are you talking about. And Outkast is overrated UGK and Three 6 Mafia are way better southern groups

[@TAVROSH]

Jovon Foster hell no Outkast won't do any music together ever, and we can be happy about that

[@MrYS-eo5zw]

The W alone is a symbol known world wide

[@illuminahde]

Murs, my homie... this is a country that has a majority white population. The idea of "white privilege" breaks down when you include any Asian peoples or Arabs or South Americans. The statistics used to claim white Europeans have an advantage in today's society are never per capita nor do they include the groups I mentioned. This idea is scapegoating and it comes from people who seek to profit off creating racism. We are not our grandfather's grandfather. How many generations can we use to excuse our actions?? Don't make everything about color. Especially hip hop.

[@undrachevr]

For me, Bone thugs and harmony with their eternal 1999 album got me listening to rap. I was just a white kid in elementary school who didn't know what the lyrics ment but it sounded good

[@reynutz]

undrachevr well they were saying, a lot about God. Shits garbage looking back

[@justinkillsaquino]

My favorite rap group is Three 6 Mafia (it's funny because Three 6 had beef with Bine Thugs haha). They were just so diverse. You got DJ Paul's southern slang style. Juicy J with his major trap sound. Koopsta Black with his speedy raps. Gangsta Boo with her sassy raps. Lord Infamous for his innovate triple flow.

[@choad1976]

I watched the Beasties video last week and you said it yourself, as far as 27 years in the game, over 20 million units sold. No other group comes close. The longevity, the numbers, the creative boundries they push. The fact that they never compromised for the sake of fame. Shit, coming off of License To Ill the break Pauls Boutique. The opposite of trend. However, they stayed relevant, always divided the cuts between the 3 of them and never compromised, even when it came to dropping the mic to release some straight funk with the help of Money Mark. Now I'm not the biggest B Boys fan but I have to give credit where it's due. Combining the longevity, the number of albums sold, the structure of their sound as well as their philanthropy in Tibet and political awareness. You can't touch them. Hip Hop isn't even my preferred genre but I know what's good. I love and grew up with Tribe Called Quest and De La Soul, even Bone and NWA but the facts don't lie and all the facts point to the Beasties. Who damn well earned their place by paying some heavy dues on the early days. And once again, LL ain't no damn group! lol Well that's my 2 cents. I'm waiting for an episode on the early-eighties alterative rap scene (not nu-metal!!) more like Basehead, De la, TCQ and that whole genre. Would be a treat Love the show Murs, stay true to yourself-

[@solitudeisbliss1234]

The greatest Hip Hop group is A tribe called quest, I tried listening to beastie boys but I just can't get into them

[@jorgetwo4279]

They made a track with cypress hill, look for the remix, it’s pretty damn good.

[@solitudeisbliss1234]

Judah Natzarah ??

[@richchigga41]

Mr xo I tried listening the a tribe called quest and I can't listen to it, it's fucking corny, I don't understand why ppl like them

[@GloriousKev]

idk how you can like hip hop and not like the beastie boys. Do you just not like 80s hip hop or only like eastcoast 90s shit?

[@KardiFan2000]

Rich Chigga Because not everyone likes hip hop that's gangsta or filled with gimmicks, some people want intelligent commentary, and that's what Tribe was...the truth.

[@TheLexiconDevils]

Hip hop had been circulating with “white people” for just as long. A lot of us of a certain age and background came into it via punk rock and hardcore and skateboarding late 70s early 80s. And on the whole they embraced all aspects of it. And to then see it onstage supporting Madonna of all fucking things was quite the WTF moment for a lot of us. In the early 90s skateboarding REALLY switched from punk to hip hop. Style of dress,attitude and video soundtracks.

[@braysthedead9547]

for me Wu tang is the best but i love how all groups gave me hip hop! Beastie Boys to Hieroglyphic are different from each other but its hip hop, i can say every artist or group mentioned in this video are Legends in the hip hop culture.

[@Lifted001]

Its ironic af how ppl try to discredit the beastie boys simply because of their color. Hypocrisy 101

[@jebkush1052]

I don't think they're the greatest but they are my favorite.

[@OmarAngelGarcia]

Beastie Boys still had skills regardless of race. Let us not judge an M.C. Just by the color of his skin but by his skills on the MIC 🎤

[@aidanking7401]

Please do something on big pun and big L

[@BurnXTC]

Been saying Big L forever! Happy someone else is on that.

[@KtotheG]

The Beastie Boys have 5 classic albums: Licensed To Ill Paul's Boutique Check Your Head Ill Communication Hello Nasty Not many groups can boast that kind of ammo. Outkast is the closest. I think they have 4 solid classics: Southernplaya..., ATLiens, Aquemini and Stankonia. Some fans might say Speakerboxxx/The Love Below is a classic, too, but I disagree. If it is, then they would win with 6 classics, because double albums count twice. EPMD is another group that has 4 legitimate classics: Strictly Business, Unfinished Business, Business As Usual and Business Never Personal. I can't think of no other hip hop group that has at least 4 classic albums other than The Beastie Boys, Outkast and EPMD. A Tribe Called Quest might come the closest with People's Instinctive Travels..., Low End Theory, Midnight Marauders, and Beats, Rhymes and Life, but I think the latter is debatable. That's just me. But should classic albums be the only criteria? What about groups who may only have one or two classics, but a whole lot of solid material throughout their career? Groups like The Roots come to mind. I think they only have 2, maybe 3 classics. Do You Want More??!!?? and Illadelph Halflife are definite classics, and Things Fall Apart is a strong maybe. Their post-2000 output is too hit or miss for me. Yet they remained consistently innovative and relative. What about impact? Groups that are strong in that area are Run DMC, Public Enemy, The Beastie Boys, Boogie Down Productions, Wu Tang Clan, Black Moon, Gang Starr, A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, The Roots, Mobb Deep, Das Efx, NWA, Digable Planets, PM Dawn, and Bone Thugs N Harmony. Arguments can be made on how all of those groups have qualitatively impacted hip hop and the artists who followed them. This debate, like everything else when it comes to art, will come down to subjective sensibility, unless we can come up with objective standards that affect all who create hip hop music. Album sales are about as objective as you can get, but true hip hop heads have always rejected that criterion due to the fact that purity and the principles of true hip hop are often compromised for album sales. Q-Tip once spat, "rap is not pop, so if you call it that, then stop." So this debate will continue to linger with no real consensus, I'm afraid.

[@enigmasept927]

Murs gonna get murked for not mentioning EPMD or Treacherous Three 😂😂😂

[@maxsmart9116]

Enigma September he was speaking specifically about most impactful. So many people in the comments don't pay attention to nuance at all.

[@russellgordon9898]

My white ass was there when Blondie and Grandmaster made one of the first rap songs ever. She is white as hell. Why is this black culture ?

[@cristophedowner1172]

Black people been reading comics for years and BP aint anywhere close to any of us first love. You just outdated

[@devantewinston4865]

cristophe downer like I get what he was saying but a lot of the black people who aren't comic fans aren't going to see black panther for the character but the cast since its an all a black cast

[@MursTv]

Ummmmmm I’ve been to at least 20 comic cons. Always black ppl are the least represented. Ive read over 20 different comic books a month for the past 25 years. Black ppl are not really that into comics. Why wasn’t Blade the highest grossing ?

[@ronardjones6762]

@MursTV Most didn't even know that Blade was a comic!

[@thainfamous]

I wonder if the popularity of black panther is due to the name? When you hear Black panther away from the comic book mind-set, you may think of Huey P newton's black panther group.

[@EmbassyNerdcore]

He's talking about brand new kids getting into comics because of the Black Panther movie.

[@deadhippieproductions8661]

I doubt the Beastie Boys would even say they’re the great of all time tbh. They’re pretty humble dudes and have a lot of respect for the culture

[@davill0223]

Yo murs when y'all finna do a segment on bone thugs n harmony tho?

[@facepalmedgodzilla7999]

Their contributions to the game are so underrated that I'd definitely watch a segment covering Bone Thugs

[@reynutz]

But they too religious and preachy. Shits wack

[@davill0223]

BlackFlagAntiFa lol u don't listen to bone which is cool

[@reynutz]

I was raised on bone, they got some tight shit but that religious shit killed them for me. Lost all respect once I got wise to it

[@kenshigo3833]

@jo ra i think you don´t get it, if he doesn´t believe in religion, he doesn´t believe in the devil (or most likely won´t). that´s like telling a vegan do go and eat some tomatoes...he won´t mind...

[@stevelibby6852]

Love Tribe Called Quest, but to say they never sold out and in same breath mention their collaboration with Elton John doesn't make sense to me.

[@dontaemccray4443]

UGK is an addition I’d add to this list they inspired OutKast and The Geto Boys they inspired UGK. All together they created the blueprint for the south. Can’t leave out 2-6 Mafia or 8 Ball & MJG

[@mikedabeast360]

*Three 6 Mafia or 3-6 Mafia

[@TexicanMr]

I think Geto Boys were first, but I agree that it was UGK that inspired the Houston sound and style.

[@danielpindell1267]

I have been watching some of your videos recently and I personally thank you for your hard work. Your videos are informative, educational and gives insights of the world of Hip-Hop that some didn't know exist. Keep it up 👍👍

[@3232-l2k]

Public enemy

[@H2O_Atlanta]

I like the fact that this conversation is being held about all of these groups, in this time. Hip-hop is the only music genre that tries to forget or ignore its predecessors’ contributions. Whether it’s due to Rap’s battle/I’m-the-best foundation or not, we’re all still connected as students of the game. #Respect

[@xMXWLx]

I already knew beastie boys were the greatest lol

[@mr.harambe2658]

Hell no. They are a joke

[@ericfiliatrault4156]

Great PR man! I wait for these every single week, keep up the great work!

[@nsnbc6093]

I feel like the white privilege argument doesnt apply to the beastie boys. Nobody wanted to see white rappers but they did it anyway. Im not saying theyre the best rap group but its pointless to argue why someone isnt the best. Everyone loves the beastie boys who cares if wu tang is cooler. you didnt mention the wu btw

[@rockwild737]

Shhh people don't like the truth 😉

[@GemAlexanderTV]

Murs you the man and I always look forward to seeing you on the break down. thank you for being a influence and a teacher to me in this Hip Hop game, salute and respect can't wait for the next episode

[@benjaminjosephholmes1062]

Why not cypress hill there the greatest group to me and stoners?

[@soitgoes290]

Who did they influence?

[@benjaminjosephholmes1062]

Albert Camus that's what we have Murs for

[@TAVROSH]

HELL YEAH nobody talks about them EVER yet they get mad love all over the world... but hip hop doesnt fuck with them it seems

[@forgetfulfunctor1]

Welp, user name not only checks out, but makes grammatical sense

[@forgetfulfunctor1]

Im on Cocaine aside from the big singles, I only know them from that sample that Redman used

[@sirreoser5668]

@7:15 I think it's a good argument, I'd argue the general public appreciates art for being art. But I'd defiantly argue they got advertised more for being white, thinking of rap hysteria late 80's/90s with pre notioned thoughts of rap=gangs I could see them being more sponsor "friendly" in 1900's corporate America

[@jeffreyreardon7487]

I'm one of them whiteboys that fell in love with hip-hop culture

[@sylvesterbestertester1013]

I don't know about Beasties being the goat, but they are right up there. They'll no doubt always be an important link in the chain. With hip hop, I have to give Run DMC that title. There's no group that did more for hip hop on all fronts than they did. I don't think there's any one group that not only single handedly brought hip hop to mainstream, but also brought a musical legitimacy to it. Before them, many saw hip hop as some expanded poetry or something. The majority rejected hip hop as a form of music until Run DMC being themselves changed people's perception of the art and began to see it as musical. The Beasties simply took what they did and applied the cement to what was built. Run DMC will always take to title of best and most important hip hop group. But you might say with the combination of them and the Beasties, there would be no turning back. Hip hop was now on the map for good.

[@danialbirjandi8595]

Wu-tang clan the greatest group of all time

[@DaFishmonger]

I don't understand why people acting like beastie boys being white helped them in any way. If anything it made them harder to get into the hip hop community to due many listeners assuming they couldn't rap because they where white.

[@danielcurda3633]

"Put that in your hipster pen and vape it." NICE!

[@prizm2807]

Get Boys, UGK, Bone Thugs, Beastie Boys, N.W.A, Outkast, ATCQ > everyone else

[@KRomeo-of1ph]

This video was so great! Everyone of these groups gave so much to what we call hip hop today and though personal opinions may differ on who’s on the top of the list it should be said that we are in this together. If one is winning we all winning. 💯 🙌 And you best believe I AM DOWN WITH THE KING!

[@FrankBoothPBR]

Love the Beastie Boys, if we're talking groups they're probably in my top 3. I gotta put OutKast over them just my opinion. I think NWA goes #1 I mean Dr Dre, Ice Cube and Eazy E between the 3 of them that's a huge influence to this day. Don't get me wrong the Beastie Boys sold the shit outta records, kept their signature sound while constantly experimenting with new styles but all art is subjective just depends who you ask. I think Andre 3000 is the best individual rapper. Who disagrees?

[@Adam4954-]

Lol the beastie boys made hip hop mainstream! No beastie boys no recognition for anyone!

[@EmbassyNerdcore]

Why is it wrong to thank the Beasties for breaking barriers and bringing the gift of hip hop culture to white people?

[@ChiefMac]

Bone Thugs and Harmony

[@Pandah-89]

Never. Too unstable.

[@benjaminterry4966]

Im guessing that Wu-Tang has been left out of this video as the groups success is overshadowed by the success of the individual artists. My two cents: the Beastie boys > RUN DMC, why? RUN DMC and the Beastie Boys both emerged from the genesis of mainstream hip hop and the beastie boys were originally a skinny boys carbon copy of RUN DMC however the ability to go away and re-invent their delivery makes the beastie boys superior over the span of their career. The lyricisism of the beasties definatly evolved even if their flow didnt change much. Intergalactic took the Beastie Boys to another dimension. A Tribe Called Quest is undeniably the best Hip Hop "group". I feel its more accurate to define Wu-Tang as a label

[@joetwinz]

Great discussion as always Murs. By the way ATCQ are my favourite group ✌🏽

[@joshuaharte9619]

Another great upload, keep up the good work bro 👊🏻

[@alefgiovane5178]

I waited the whole video for Wu-Tang

[@nickbedell7677]

The Beastie Boys are my personal favorite hip hop group. As a kid from suburban NJ, they introduced me to the true greats of hip hop, some of which you mentioned in this video. You also left some out. There's just so much good music. It's hard to nail down a "best ever", when we are all different ages and come from different places. In ten years, some people might even put Migos in that conversation, if they continue their success. If you were around for the birth of hip hop, you might name Melle Mel, or if you're Kool Moe D pick yourself, as the best rapper ever. So many greats out there, it's best to go back and enjoy it all on a good pair of headphones. I always enjoy this show. Keep it up. Digging the new tunes as well.

[@MrKing8050]

While maybe White previlage helped Eminems rise, he's association with Dre was also a huge factor

[@skulley6361]

it sure was some of that whyte previlage

[@jaystew1249]

Can't deny his talent playing a part too

[@trisnyce]

Dr Dre just helped with Eminem credibility with black people

[@grievuspwn4g3]

Fuck no. White america abandoned him with every other white person left in downtown Detroit. Hard to argue white privilege growing up in a black neighbourhood without assuming he was some kind of overlord.

[@reynutz]

MrKing8050 You can't even spell properly,so your opinion is void. White privilege? Are you kidding? He grew up in a ghetto ass trailer park, and ghetto has no color

[@spetsnazrs9102]

no group has the energy and mystic of the beastie boys, yes they are one of the greatest bands of all time not only in hip hop as in music, beastie boys is the best group

[@chrisdwyer1791]

I guess y'all forgot about the groundbreaking group outta Hollis Queens who influenced ALL these groups...RUN DMC AND JAYMASTER JAY (RIP).

[@maxsmart9116]

Chris Dwyer He literally covered them in this video dude smh

[@PYSTOLWHIP-The-Insane-Raider]

Yeah no doubt. I got Run DMC, Outcast, Tribe, Wu Tang, and Bone in the top 5. Beasties are in my top 10, as are 36..

[@d.s.9692]

You know what man I really like how you put it. Thanks for your insights. It's good to see someone actually bringing some context to the timeline of rap. Too many people like to pretend like it exists by itself, like out in space somewhere. That's impossible though, no one would be rapping or listening to rap without keeping in mind what else is happening. It's good to put it together with what other stuff happens in culture.

[@WunderLogik]

Public Enemy, X- Clan, Wutang, Cypress Hill.....

[@danielalbert2691]

Meh. I'm white (pretty much). Run DMC don't move me like the Beastie Boys do. In the end, that's what it's all about. Does the music move you. And that really is subjective.

[@benjaminjosephholmes1062]

Can you please do a best collective like wutang or odd future.

[@method10201]

Oddly enough, you says RIP to Phife dog and Easy E but you don’t say RIP to Yauch when announcing each groups members. And the inconsistencies between this and your last video are so incredibly apparent, you can tell this was done to save face amongst the community.

[@method10201]

And I bought your Murs 316 CD off a guy pitching then at a gas station in LA when they were fresh off the press.

[@rustyshackleford185]

Tribe all day

[@rueben3213]

Beastie Boys ARE great! They are MORE hip hop than 90% of rappers today. They deserve respect! But, they are not the greatest. But still, there's no need to downplay them because of their skin tone. Many people in the comment section don't even know what real hip hop is because they grew up after the fact, and would prefer lil pump over legends anyway. I rate them in the top 10. (wu, kast, p.e., atcq, epmd, nwa, etc, being above.

[@staciary1751]

I can agree RUN DMC is the greatest xo

[@flogalvez82]

I appreciate and agree with your first video on why the Beastie Boys are the greatest rap group of all time. Their consistency, longevity, ability to adapt in the face of an ever changing Hip Hop/Rap world and their efforts to maintain and spread their affection, adoration and love for Old School Hip Hop is outstanding. Their loyalty to Hip Hop and to each other is amazing. Run-DMC whom they of course owe an invaluable debt to, are way way way high on the plateau of every group that came after them. They are on a class by themselves as is the founders who came before them. Run-DMC are untouchable in my book beyond any ranking whatsoever. I feel if one is going to rank, start with everyone else after them. Yes, there are more complex and interesting groups like the ones you mention in this. However, I am still sticking with your excellent and exceptional argument for why The Beastie Boys are the greatest rap group of all time. I’d also recommend watching the Beastie’s live on stage documentary available to stream on Apple TV, where the surviving members Adrock and Mike D give for the most part, a frank, honest and entertaining assessment of their history.

[@AT-AT-AT-AT]

so it is a race thing, then. sad..

[@unarmedstrike1487]

My first exposure to rap was rage against the machine then wutang to Eminem to beastie boys, gotta love it all man, beasties are in my top 5 but low on that list 1.wutang 2.outkast 3.bone thugs 4.nwa 5.beasties But you've just gotta love it all, keep the content coming I love it you've introduced me to alot of rap

[@Matt_Underwood]

The Beastie Boys are far from the best crew ever

[@jordanmadriz123]

Matt Underwood but thankfully for the bestie boys hip hop went mainstream and let hip hop hit the charts.

[@boonbrazy338]

Chef Jordan beastie boys did not make hiphop mainstream wtf, hip hop was mainstream before, beastie boys just made a bigger white audience for hiphop.

[@javierleija523]

In his last video he specifically said he didn't think they were the best, and he didn't think they were a crew. He said the best crew was wu Tang and that Beastie boys were the "greatest group" (not best, not crew)

[@FirstNameLastName-ig2im]

bongo Well who made it mainstream then?

[@reynutz]

Why can't niggaz ever read or listen to the disclaimer?? He says in the beginning what he means by greatest

[@johnw00t]

I'm not into rap that much to judge who's the greatest rap group. I like the Beasties and The Fugees a lot cause they hit me just in the right time. But rather who's the greatest and stuff, I find it way more important that groups like these managed to bring people together. I have some great memories of us being kids and listening to "The Score" where skin colors didn't matter at all and I wish it wouldn't be some naive privileged fantasy now of how things should be but they're still not.

[@yassinali8733]

Am I the only one who thought Murs's voice sounded auto-tuned?

[@LoganLS0]

For me: 1. Bone Thugz 2. Tribe Called Quest 3. Wu Tang Clan 4. Naughty by Nature 5. Outkast