Why "The Big 3" Will Never Work

[@joecroft4274]

I guess the confusion with the big 3 statement was always that people assumed it was given to One Piece, Naruto and Bleach because they sold the most but the actual purpose for the big 3 grouping was because the significance of their success and what it meant for the industry. I love JJK and I think theres immense amount of talented authors in WSJ with fantastic stories right now but even if JJK and Demon Slayer surpass Naruto and Bleach in Volume Sales the significance of those sales couldn't compare because the company wasn't on it's last legs when they were being published.

[@streetrpgreverb9076]

There is one more big three that is just as concrete as anime and that's gaming. Playstation, Xbox and Nintendo are not going anywhere as long as gaming still exists.

[@LoatheSome]

Actually thats fully fair I didn't even think about that

[@twelfthknight]

Eh, you might've said Nintendo and Sega if this were the 90's. I wouldn't put that much faith in any given business' longevity in this market.

[@rickanapaz]

@@twelfthknight for the past 20 years or so these 3 have been consistently the best so they had a pretty good longevity

[@ALBERGALARGA_]

@@twelfthknight maybe, but that was in the 90's, nowdays videogames are the biggest industry in the world, and all google, amazon, valve, and even tencent, have tried to get in the console market, none have really managed. So as long as consoles are a thing these three will be the only big 3 of gaming

[@brassbeast8582]

wouldnt be so sure about nintendo at this point but yeah to the other two

[@supervideomaker9136]

I think another thing about the big three is that it is super time relevant phrase. Back in the 2000’s, anime wasn’t as widely available, so the big three were the shows everyone knew and was able to watch(since they were the easiest to access). But now, anime is so widely available. You can watch whatever you want. Plus we have so much more to watch instead of only having a limited amount of series.

[@LoatheSome]

Exactly, the big three is something thats really never gonna happen again

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@LoatheSome Damn right

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Exactly!

[@brendoncameron8757]

I fully agree 👍. This was a thing from another era .

[@andrepayne4349]

Between about 2004 and 2010, everything else paled in comparison to Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece. Hence, "The Big 3". Nobody was looking to specifically pick 3 back then. It just ended up being 3.

[@yuko4845]

we all know the big 3 are : boku no pico , highschool dxd and Redo of Healer

[@TouHakuTensei]

Absolute culture A man of cinema as well

[@iamalive8783]

Gay cp, Peak fiction and mid ass revenge plot? Got it

[@TouHakuTensei]

@@iamalive8783 its a joke bro, chill

[@spaghettiking7312]

Don't forget School Days.

[@MSCModernSonicChannel]

Nah its boku no pico, euphoria, and redo of healer

[@supercoolmaniajon265]

3 is the most powerful number. Just ask Battle Network, Persona and Jojo. 3rd dimension. 3rd planet away from the sun. Triangles and pyramids. Stuff like that. Top. Middle. Bottom. The laws of existence dictate that 3 is essential.

[@LoatheSome]

God damn thats a good point, great way to look at it!

[@MainEventDul]

Death comes in 3s.

[@asparagoosagus5954]

Fun fact, in thrash metal it was the "big 4". Metallica, megadeth, slayer, and anthrax. its not always a big "3"

[@LoatheSome]

Oh shit I actually didn't know that! It was trying to find outlier examples but I couldn't, thanks!

[@dmajorray6154]

I'm surprises they never called them the 4 horsemen. It'd be cool and fitting for the genre

[@DuskMindAbyss]

*mentions Drake, shows epsteins picture* BRUH 😂😂😂😂

[@Sorex_Tkt]

Its only big me

[@NeonVice1983]

maybe on your planet

[@Sorex_Tkt]

@@NeonVice1983 Yeah it's pretty lonely out here

[@alphadestroyer3028]

I can think of a few other "big groups", like the 5 most popular animals to see on safaris are called the big 5 and Marvel and DC are called the big 2 of the comics industry.

[@LoatheSome]

Huh I didn't know people used that specification for those, thats cool asf

[@blissfulrain]

I think "the big 3" often is time relevant in a lot of industries/communities. Kpop had a "big 3" era where 3 major companies (SM, JYP, and YG) were foundational, had guaranteed successful groups, and set the trends for the industry basically. I think the problem is people don't understand the time relevance after the era has passed. When a 4th major company came onto the scene fans had a hard time explaining why "the big 4" wouldn't work. The era and therefore the context had changed. I think the same happens to generations. Like generations are decided by events/characteristics but you'll always find people who want to make it about a set amount of time instead.

[@tnuhenaj3752]

I think in linguistics the number 3 has a special effect. Like tripling/rule of threes is a literary technique in speech writing and stuff. You repeat things thrice for effect or when you list things you keep it to groups of 3. I don’t know why but I’m sure there’s a reason somebody can explain. It is after all, the magic number. I can explain 5 and 10. Humans evolved to have 5 fingers and toes per limb and 10 fingers and toes in total. Our counting system was made base 10 for this reason. That’s why there’s the focus on 5 and 10.

[@LoatheSome]

Yeah thats a great point I didnt even touch on. And I didn't know thank you!

[@LoatheSome]

Man my fav part of coming back to videos is seeing the automatic chapters 😭this shit is so funny I don't think I ever wanna do my own chapters LOL

[@taczpat5610]

6:53 there is big 4 of thrash metal

[@kbdj790]

The big 3 of tennis, Federer, Nadal, and djokovic

[@selfhandling27]

Big three in seinen manga= Vagabond Berserk Vinland saga Big three in dark shonen manga / Dark trio= Chainsaw man Jujutsu kaisen Hell paradise

[@zandensterner3918]

I never thought of it as quality, just popularity/recognizability

[@Cringe.-]

Bleach one piece and naruto so goated it created a whole ass grouping convention

[@le_normi3045]

To answer the question in the description No

[@LoatheSome]

Lying smh

[@dankstank110]

I don't think the term is used anywhere else tho and the only reason why its big in the rap/hip hop scene and anime scene is due to the overlapping of both fanbases and also due to rap/hiphop fanbase having the tendency to latch on to any popular idea and capitalize on it

[@LoatheSome]

Ig I just see it a lot online. Like I showed in the Burback video whenever there is three of something a lot of people will just say "The Big 3"

[@jaden149]

the big 3 will never be a thing again it made like back in the 2000s the reason for the big 3 is cus they were the most know popular as well as the most easy to access anime at the time like if you got into anime in the 2000 there is a good chance its was one of the big 3 that got you in and if not you probably where watching at least one of them

[@lucaswallo8127]

The big four is pretty common, especially in music. Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax and Slayer for thrash metal, and Nirvana, Soundgarden, Alice In Chains and Pearl Jam for grunge.

[@profortnitemilk69]

Bleach, Naruto and One Piece are called the big three because they came out at around the same time and had the most manga sales of that time

[@bradrobertson4995]

Spoilers: The earth-shattering reveal is that people seem to like the number three.

[@LoatheSome]

There ya go lol, pretty good way to summarize it

[@corin7533]

Finally someone gives Bleach the spotlight when talking about Big 3, Bleach 8s the most underrated and maybe the best one in the Big 3

[@LoatheSome]

YUP, Bleach is by far my fav in it lol

[@NeonVice1983]

@@LoatheSome Bleach (imo) is my fav of the big 3

[@NeonVice1983]

@@corin7533 facts!

[@Carbontheshifter]

Wasn't it the four pillars before the big three?

[@anime_world6684]

Opinion is subjective that’s why we can only get anywhere with majority rule, if a larger number of people like one piece over a large number of people liking dragon ball that means one piece is more likable than dragon ball not that dragon ball is bad

[@A_Towne]

You forgot the big 3 of seinen manga berserk, Vagabond, & Vinland Saga

[@SuperSky9]

Dragon Ball Z, Bleach and One Piece are the Big 3 of the 2000s because they inspired future anime. NARUTO IS NOT IN THE BIG 3 because Its most iconic factor is Fillers and backstories, to a point even the final villain uses its most powerful attack and gives YOU 50+ episodes of filler! Hunter X Hunter is a good anime but NOT in the Big 3 because its an anime about side characters and their side quests and it inspired JJK an anime that is just side quests and side characters and but the twist being its protagonist's most powerful ability is his plot armor and is either going to turn into Sakuna OR cliffhanger (nuff said) and every other character in JJK is only introduced for the fight scenes and then killed before you even learn their names. Yuki is the Kurapika with more screen time.

[@ebi395]

Say what u like but it won't change the original Big 3 i.e Naruto,One piece and Bleach.

[@SuperSky9]

@@ebi395 See, this why you people are called Narutards.

[@SuperSky9]

@@ebi395 No, Projections please.

[@dink6423]

With that being said, what is the current big 3? 🤔

[@LoatheSome]

Me, me and uhhh me 😃

[@ndu-sx3ns]

bleach, naruto, one piece

[@kwasibrew8072]

To be fair on the rap example, the big three of Kendrick, Cole and Drake is also very time specific. Rap wasn’t in jeopardy the same way Shonen jump was in the late 2000’s/early 2010’s, but those three were far and away the biggest runaway successes. They’d all released fairly popular mixtapes less than a year apart by 2010 (Overly Dedicated, Friday Night Lights, So Far Gone), and by 2017/2018 could consistently dominate the charts (DAMN, KOD, Scorpion). While I’m team Kendrick any day, I think this beef (and the influx of new hip-hop fans) has seriously skewed how these artists are skewed. Like in your examples for the “new big three”, people have tried replacing J. Cole with someone like Future or a rapper they think is better like Tyler, when he’s consistently outsold both and done it without any features on an album. Drake is obviously the runaway artist in terms of pure numbers, but so is One Piece when compared to the other big three, and that doesn’t completely invalidate the other’s success. And one more thing, because this is getting lengthy. While removing any of the three isn’t gonna make the rap game collapse, all three are influential enough for the genre to take a serious hit if they never existed. While all three can do numbers, Drake has kept rap in the mainstream rear view for over a decade; rap wouldn’t be nearly as widely reached, for better or worse, without him. Without Kenny and Cole, political/conscious rap falls outside the mainstream for a decade and there respective record labels (TDE/Dreamville, some of the most important in modern rap) aren’t nearly as big or just don’t exist. So while they don’t strictly correlate to the anime big three, they are far and away the best combination of numbers and influence in the rap game (thoguh you could argue for Future/Nicki making it a big five if you really wanted to)

[@BaeBunni]

Kinda glad the video talks about it's not about them being the best but how the big 3 essentially revitalized the industry because i'll be honest really disliked bleach, not at first but really dropped off me in a way one piece didn't but I'll always respect that it was a big component to why anime and manga is still a world wide form of entertainment.

[@Mr_SaDdd]

Why??

[@nou2097]

Respectfully, Bleach is goated

[@Resonantscythe]

Yep, I was reading it as it came out, and the dropoff was real. I straight up quit it for over a year and came back to finish it when it was in its final bit. Didn't feel any better reading it without the wait. Genuinely feel people who think bleach is some excellent thing these days just haven't read enough actually good manga.

[@viggecokarlittecola4655]

@@Resonantscythe Same would go for Naruto? i dont know about One piece

[@LoatheSome]

Ya know what thats fair, I talk about subjectivity a lot in this vid so Im glad you're giving your opinion!

[@nameless.thelivingdock5711]

How about the dark trilogy JJK, Chainsaw man and Hells paradise. Sure they're not saving Shonan but they're changing the the industry.

[@LoatheSome]

Its certainly a good trilogy but I wouldn't put them anywhere near "The Big 3" cause you could take them out and the industry really wouldn't change all that much, I would ne a lot sadder without CSM tho 😭

[@Ryuu28_voidgames]

its going down now at the beggining goes hard

[@codeblueopinions2908]

You’re way off on the rap take. Mainly because you’re young and on top of that, white. It’s more so a cultural thing that was started within the core audience of these artists before they got as big as they are. They were considered the big 3 when around 2014 because they were the 3 biggest artists in the genre with both lyrical ability and mainstream appeal. They outsold everyone by far while still maintaining the lyrical integrity in their raps. Drake lost that integrity with time and just started biting from other new trends to popularize them for a summer it two then go on to the next. They are undoubtedly the big 3 for a good reason.

[@ALBERGALARGA_]

The big 10 is too long? yeah sure, tell that to any kid from the 2000/2010's back in my day we had like 18 favourite shows at the same time, and they only lasted for like 6 months until something new got popular. I can probably give a list of more than 13 "cartoons" from the top of my head at any moment and if I do memory that grows to 30+

[@Saf-pb5cm]

6:10 Monster is in my top 3 also

[@LoatheSome]

Real asf

[@smartcurry]

I definitely disagree with the whole there’s not a big 3 in rap j cole, Kendrick n drake are considered the big 3 due to their lyricism, consistent popularity even after they take long breaks n longevity however rap is a competition so there can only be one considered the absolute best rapper of an era outta all 3 of em and that’s what the beef settled whose number 1 outta these 3 juggernauts and yes they did revive the industry bcuz rappers were all talking bout the same stuff n sounded the same with similar sounding beats n hip hop’s popularity was slowly declining in the mainstream over the years Kendrick even says in one of his diss tracks drake wanted him on first person shooter as well but Kendrick declined cuz they had issues to settle

[@silvertongue.242_99]

The big 3 when it comes to other stuff like players, music like to just say the best. But yes the big 3 won't happen again where the circumstances that allowed the shounen jump big 3 with manga, anime and popularity during a certain period of time.

[@Samuel-p17]

We have the big 4 in Consulting And why once had the 6 major Hollywood Studios, but then Disney bought Fox

[@LoatheSome]

Huh Im getting a lot of big 4 examples, I never thought I'd hear of so many this is kinda cool

[@Da_B]

Drake in the thumbnail is crazy 😭😭

[@LoatheSome]

I'm glad you liked it LOL

[@lucaswallo8127]

Also Federer, Nadal and Djokovic for tennis :)

[@rueme4228]

Did this video just cut off at the end?

[@krauub]

hunter x hunter deserves big 3 title more than bleach

[@xylathoth]

Different era

[@josephobi3486]

Build a time machine and fix it yourself 🙏🙏

[@CodyL33OX]

Facts, people didn’t see the vision back then

[@spaghettiking7312]

There's only one big three.

[@spsmlsk]

whats the background song

[@spsmlsk]

found it. its it's going down now from persona 3

[@LoatheSome]

Good! Sorry I was out of town and just saw the message lol

[@randomdudewatching]

man screw the big three its just big me, ninja bum, your best work is a light pack, ninja prince out lived mike jack

[@Beef_S5]

I agree

[@acubewitha2dhat]

The small wee

[@irfan-6506]

we replacing db with bleach now?

[@andychua2766]

No dragon ball was before the big three era and are much bigger than those 3

[@dankstank110]

Db was never in the big 3 but it's end was what caused the power vacuum for the big 3 to make way. Any person that says db is big 3 was either not present during that era or doesn't know better dragon ball in it's entirety sort of transcends this big 3 terminology as it predates all of them and had more influence than them

[@irfan-6506]

@@dankstank110 i mean anime wise, i remember people keep calling it the big 3 and it was naruto, op, and db. or sometimes 4 and it include bleach.

[@Sorex_Tkt]

@@irfan-6506 That is just incorrect and people wanting to include db into the trio for some dumb reason.

[@LoatheSome]

Like I said in the vid, dragon ball was part of the golden era. It was the main inspiration for the mangakas who made the stories in "The Big 3" so DB as a whole is in a higher tier