They could at least change the name for Pete’s sake. How the Circle Line came to be: • The Circle Line Slapfight ko-fi.com/jago... / jagohazzard
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@DavidRutten3 жыл бұрын
It should definitely remain "the circle line". The inherent geometric contradiction in its name is too delicious to do away with.
@JamesPetts3 жыл бұрын
I note the appropriateness of your avatar for this comment.
@simonwinter88393 жыл бұрын
David Rutten I note your icon is a spiral. You do your cause no good whatsoever !!
@Alex2Buzz3 жыл бұрын
An infinitely-large circle is indistinguishable from a line, so there's our answer.
@rodrigocastiel94413 жыл бұрын
In non-Euclidian geometry, a line may be a loop, or even a circle!.
@loser7313 жыл бұрын
The new name for circle line:wood lane and city line
@Gordons18883 жыл бұрын
UKIP and the Guardian agreeing on something? Is this some parallel universe
@laszlokaestner57663 жыл бұрын
It was also (and I believe still is) official policy for the Monster Raving Looney Party
@1973Washu3 жыл бұрын
A broken clock is right twice a day ...
@beeble20033 жыл бұрын
What's worse, UKIP being somewhat rational about it (proposing solutions to the problems that caused the line to be de-circled) and _The Guardian_ just hankering for a return to the "good old days" ignoring the things that made them not-so good. Very strange. Very, very strange.
@emporioalnino46703 жыл бұрын
@@beeble2003 freaky friday
@nicktecky553 жыл бұрын
I well remember as a child being instructed to take the Circle Line from King's Cross to Victoria, "that way you won't get lost" and "it won't matter if you use the wrong platform" was the rationale. TBF: the Victoria Line didn't exist, so a change was needed otherwise.
@helios6843 жыл бұрын
Hearing “this is a southbound northern line train” makes my brain error.
@oliverstrubbe3 жыл бұрын
brain.exe not found
@DevalDiamondProductions3 жыл бұрын
*Windows 7 Critical Stop Sound*
@nannerz19943 жыл бұрын
In Chicago there's an intersection of W North Avenue and N Western Avenue. Love it.
@changwanyu42313 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the Northern Line, the Southernmost line in the tube.
@hannahk13063 жыл бұрын
I once had to go north on the northern to change to go south on the northern line (down the other branch)...
@TotoDG3 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: it _was_ supposed to be a circle, but the person who drew the "circle" on the map had dysgraphia.
@stuartmcconnachie3 жыл бұрын
Or had previously been on one of those pub crawl parties.... TFL are a bit short of money at the mo. Perhaps they should reinstate paid for supervised parties?
@jerribee13 жыл бұрын
@@stuartmcconnachie And call it the Party Line.
@highpath47763 жыл бұрын
@@jerribee1 its a brr-brr-brr-busy line.
@kanedaku3 жыл бұрын
Ooh thank you for a new word.
@ryanm.1913 жыл бұрын
If it wasn’t confusing or inaccurate it wouldn’t be British
@Quasihamster3 жыл бұрын
Laughing hard in Germany's definitions what an S-Bahn is and then looking at what's actually being called an S-Bahn :D
@YetAnotherGeorgeth3 жыл бұрын
We don’t do things “easily” or “accurately,” we do things Britishly and if that doesn’t bring a tear to your eye then I don’t know what will!
@silviasanchez6483 жыл бұрын
@@Quasihamster In my experience, U-Bahns suffer the same issue. Every city seems to have its own personal idea of what an U-Bahn is. And some are not sure and just call U-Bahn to anything.
@Quasihamster3 жыл бұрын
@@silviasanchez648 Well they're a bit more consistant. Many systems that are commonly called U-Bahn, are NOT called that by their operators, but Stadtbahn instead. Basically these are upgraded tram networks that have a few grade-separated parts now. But then, some also think Stadtbahn is what S-Bahn stands for... that's not good either.
@irongoatrocky23433 жыл бұрын
Ryan how right you are! The Underground it self is not entirely run below ground!.....nor is the Overground run entirely above ground! go figure!
@mortified7763 жыл бұрын
I am rather disappointed to learn tube parties were once a thing and never got to do one.
@JudgeHill3 жыл бұрын
When central London had actual mega clubs, the circle line was a convenient way to get to them and became a bit of a roving party itself
@RebMordechaiReviews3 жыл бұрын
@@JudgeHill I'm really not upset. Back in the 1980s, there were a lot of badly behaved drunks, especially on a Friday afternoon. It really wasn't pleasant to share a carriage with guys guzzling down beer and staggering all over the place. I was once traveling home in the same carriage as a group of women (young secretaries I assumed), who had been swigging wine from a shared bottle, When we reached Stratford, they got up to leave and one of them threw up all over the floor. They staggered out the carriage not leaving me time to get out and change carriages. I had to use the interconnecting doors to get to the next one.
@highpath47763 жыл бұрын
@@RebMordechaiReviews Essex Girls, an undeserved reputation?
@highpath47763 жыл бұрын
If a load of PhD's get on the line is it a tube of smarties?
@jacko1013 жыл бұрын
The toilets were never up to much!
@PlanetoftheDeaf3 жыл бұрын
Overall the change was an improvement, but as someone who at the time regularly travelled from High St Ken to Baker Street, it was really annoying to lose the through trains and have to always change at Edgware Road, especially as Edgware Road is a pretty poor station to interchange at, being cramped and surprisingly cold in winter!
@ianmcclavin3 жыл бұрын
Yes, plus the fact that if you arrive at Edgware Road on a "Circle Line" train (as opposed to a District), then you'd also have to cross over the bridge!
@Quasihamster3 жыл бұрын
"The horizontally mirrored and rotated 90 degrees counter-clockwise six line"
@jerribee13 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's catchy.
@Quasihamster3 жыл бұрын
@@jerribee1 Yeah! I mean you could just call it the six line, but how confusing would that be! Northern Line, Bakerloo Line, District Line... Six Line. People would think it's a bus!
@koipen3 жыл бұрын
...you mean a 9? edit: nvm I'm a doofus
@Quasihamster3 жыл бұрын
@@koipen We could also call it the horizontally mirrored and rotated 270 degrees counter-clockwise nine line, of course!
@SeverityOne3 жыл бұрын
"Counter-clockwise"? We're not having any of that pretend English they speak in the colonies. It's "anti-clockwise".
@ChakatSandwalker3 жыл бұрын
Round, like a circle in a spiral, Like a wheel within a wheel, Never ending or beginning On an ever-spinning reel...
@georgec21263 жыл бұрын
Sting. 'Windmills'. A superb song!
@aliensector3 жыл бұрын
@@georgec2126 Michel Legrand; and yes it is a superb song.
I worked at Edgware Road signal cabin in the early 90's and remember how bad the schedules got. I remember once that there was a one under which caused massive disruption. Most of the Circle lines trains were on the southern part and they were coming in over 2 hours behind schedule with seriously upset drivers. The change, although somewhat confusing to tourists was a much needed one.
@liveevil63863 жыл бұрын
I used to take an extra spin around the whole the circle if I felt like missing registration
@cezarcatalin14063 жыл бұрын
what an absolute madlad
@liveevil63863 жыл бұрын
Cezar Catalin just was being polite. It was a stone cold bunk. Off with the tie and blazer IM SMOKING WEED BABY IM FREEEeAAaaaaAAa
@maryapatterson3 жыл бұрын
😅😂🤣
@shojinryori3 жыл бұрын
How long did it take to do a full round?
@johnm20123 жыл бұрын
@@shojinryori About 45 minutes or so.
@janetdavis17322 жыл бұрын
This explains the memories of my first trip to London in 1996. The Circle Line was a "circle" then. Before we flew home, my son and I got on at High Street Kensington by our hotel and rode all the way around as a sort of farewell. By my next trip the Circle Line had been changed, but I didn't know that. I began to doubt my memories. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
@Mr_Spliffy3 жыл бұрын
Congratulations Jago on 70k. Next stop 100
@hangyeoltarbutton61933 жыл бұрын
Pun appreciated!
@thesalandarian33143 жыл бұрын
Loll nice
@JamesTheBell13 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@jsp72023 жыл бұрын
Whenever I visited London I always jumped on the Circle to get wherever I needed to go. It was great as you could just hop on and go to whichever direction you wanted, if you weren't in a hurry you could go the long way! By the way I can remember when the Hammersmith & City Line was part of the Metropolitan Line, god I feel old.
@DJTrainBrain3 жыл бұрын
5:48 "I hope you enjoyed this *well-rounded* episode of Tales from the Tube... " I see what you did there! :-D
@Dave_Sisson3 жыл бұрын
He does something like that at the conclusion of most videos, except on the rare occasions that he can't come up with a cheesy pun.
@stuartmcconnachie3 жыл бұрын
That was so subtle I nearly missed it.... *nearly* 😉
@terezar8803 жыл бұрын
I love those silly puns so much
@dethledr3 жыл бұрын
It's okay if the Circle Line isn't a circle. Piccadilly isn't a circus. Bubble and squeak doesn't have bubbles, nor does it squeak. And the Queen isn't Latifah. We just have to accept these things in our imperfect world.
@jrosenthal71113 жыл бұрын
1:33 We do something similar here in Berlin using our Ringbahn ("ring line"). You try to complete a full round by rolling a dice and riding the train for that amount of stations where you then get out and have one drink in the closest pub. It's quite tricky, and either way you'll end up pretty drunk.
@dianastevenson1313 жыл бұрын
Sounds like good fun!
@ashleyhamman3 жыл бұрын
I think the "circle line" name is pretty well understood abroad as being a feature of London almost as much as the Tube in general. I don't think it needs to be changed, but I do see a sort of bottle shape in it.
@iankemp11313 жыл бұрын
Hmm, an empty bottle lying on its side - not an ideal image of London? That's on the Tube map; it looks rather different in real geography, and explains the otherwise mysterious description "eastbound/westbound"on the Circle/District Line platforms at Paddington (Praed Street, not Bishops Road).
@TheNgandrew3 жыл бұрын
The changes have, to an extent, shortened the legendary 'Circle Line minute', whereby a Circle Line train which was only 1 minute away used to take up to 5 minutes to get to you. Before I get shot down, I do of course understand that it's a measure of distance rather than time, but it used to be so frustrating waiting for a Circle Line train. Another wonderful video by the way. Thanks.
@JagoHazzard3 жыл бұрын
It’s like that line from Star Wars about how “it made the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs.” And now I’m envisioning a remake of Star Wars set on the Underground.
@glynwelshkarelian34893 жыл бұрын
@@JagoHazzard Revenge of the Hammersmith and Sithy?
@marionbloom1218 Жыл бұрын
It's a very interesting concept, similar to the light-year being a measure of distance - the tube-minute as a measure of distance! Marion
@sjoerd56293 жыл бұрын
Excelent episode! When I was in London years ago, when it was still a circle, I traveled a full circle on it. The train was stationary at Aldgate for I think 5-6 minutes. At the time, I was already thinking that must have been to correct potential delays, als the platforms at Aldgate were the only tracks along the route the line did not have to share.
@johnmurrell31753 жыл бұрын
That is correct - High Street Kensington SB & Gloucester Road WB were others. In most lines it is done by having layovers at the terminals. The Victoria line just tries to run to 'the book' with no recovery possible at peak hours. There are some means of correction involving stepping back and cancellations. Keeping to the timetable is not so critical in some was as all the trains go back to the Depot at night. On other lines the trains have to go back to the planned depot to allow the relevant maintenance to be done overnight as different facilities and resources exist at different depots
@BarryAllenMagic3 жыл бұрын
From a youngster, through to commuting as an Adult, whenever travelling on the Underground, if I saw a sign for the Circle Line, the song 'The World is a Circle' (Burt Bacharach 1973) has always sprung instantly to mind. In fact, it did again when I saw the title of this excellent clip! I'm sure that I was dropped on my head when I was a kid. I'd never realised the potential problems of it not having a terminus - although didn't Circle Line trains often wait up for long periods at Aldgate? Superb as always dear chap. 👍
@highpath47763 жыл бұрын
Was Aldgate the driver change over?
@BarryAllenMagic3 жыл бұрын
@@highpath4776 Very possibly - good call! 👍
@MarkWaller23 жыл бұрын
Yes, Circle Line trains did wait at Aldgate - it was the only place on the line where they could have waiting time (to allow for recovery from delays) without blocking trains on one of the other intersecting lines. That's why the driver change-overs happened there too.
@YetAnotherGeorgeth3 жыл бұрын
This circle doesn’t fit, it’s a little square.
@Rog54463 жыл бұрын
A square with rounded corners.
@archstanton61023 жыл бұрын
Wonder Stuff?
@ajs413 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's worth pointing out that you can of course still ride a complete journey on the old-fashioned Circle Line route, from Edgware Road to Edgware Road. It's just that you have to change trains at Edgware Road if you want to go round again.
@warmachineuk3 жыл бұрын
The tube line names are treated as unique names, rather than descriptions, and the British love eccentricity, so the name of Circle should be kept as a quirk of the past. And a reminder that change for efficiency must happen and nostalgia shouldn't hold it back.
@pulaski13 жыл бұрын
But "change for efficiency" and "nostalgia shouldn't hold it back" are alien concepts to us Brits. :-/
@chrisstephens66733 жыл бұрын
Its not that we English are eccentric it is that the rest of the world only thinks in straight(boring) lines.
@Taschenschieber3 жыл бұрын
Right, I've been saying for AGES the Bakerloo line needs to be renamed into the Elephant & Wealdstone Line.
@chrisstephens66733 жыл бұрын
@@Taschenschieber Bakerloo always sounds like a brand of laxative bread.
@indiegirl98823 жыл бұрын
@@Taschenschieber That's not going to work because the Bakerloo line is due to be extended !! Bakerloo is still relevant because it connects Baker Street to Waterloo
@terezar8803 жыл бұрын
They should call it the "circle 2.0 but actually more of a rectangle, with the Hammersmith tail extension". I think it has a nice ring to it
@ttaibe3 жыл бұрын
I vote for: And Now Something Completely Different!....
@PeterMountUK3 жыл бұрын
Although the Circle now terminates at Edgware Road once it's gone completely around clockwise & then reverse back, sometimes they do carry on like they used to. A few years ago I was on the Circle going from High St Kensington to St Pancras & I was expecting to change at Edgware but because it was already delayed they continued it on for another loop as a means to catch up.
@optecio2 жыл бұрын
They could have made it “terminate” at Edgware Road and then continue 5-10 minutes afterwards, considering the District doesn’t always go to Edgware Road
@snuffesnuffs77773 жыл бұрын
Brilliant as always! I like Geoff Marshall too, you're absolutely in the same league. You have an academic feel while Geoff seems more of a nerd to me! Equally good, anyway!
@paulcarpenter28003 жыл бұрын
Very interesting documentary. It's wonderful to see the London tube map referenced so much. As a long standing designer myself, Harry Beck is my design hero, and one who should be remembered the world over. I have even made a stylised stained glass window to celebrate his achievements. Best regards, Paul in Lower Boddington.
@pryn.darkstorm3 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile in Singapore our Circle Line was never intended to be a circle, starting near the centre of the city, going 'round the top to the North, then coming back down all the way to the Southern Waterfront. To complete the circle and go back to where you came from you need to change for the purple North East Line. That is until a station collapsed during construction in 2004, leading to an alteration of plans and a knock on effect on the future Downtown Line. The change was small but crucial. From Promenade Station (near the Ferris wheel and the F1 pit building), it would branch off south towards Marina Bay via the Marina Bay Sands hotel (where it would have a proper interchange with the Downtown Line, previously it was going to interchange at that collapsed station then terminate at Promenade). The gap between both sides thus decreased from 6km to just 4km. So plans to close the gap were greenlit and work began a year ago to be completed by 2025. Also the Circle Line was the first line to be built with 3-car trains, which later proved to be disastrous.
@MattMcIrvin2 жыл бұрын
I remember wishing for that completion when I was there--it would have made some trips shorter for me!
@scottread3 жыл бұрын
The joy of the circle line was the simplicity of being able to launch yourself through the narrowing gap in the closing doors, knowing you'd eventually reach your circle line destination. Even the clockwise/counter-clockwise dilemma wasn't an issue if time was on your side.
@rontanser93693 жыл бұрын
That’s almost mind-boggling in fact I think my brain is now going round in a circle LOL
@Davey-Boyd3 жыл бұрын
Brings back memories. I went to some great tube parties on the circle line!
@randomclass46533 жыл бұрын
Congrats on 70k! Nice video by the way!
@Chris-nq9nb3 жыл бұрын
I miss the circle. It was easier to navigate on those late night occasions when one's judgement is impaired! Couldn't they put a siding in to regulate it? I also miss the colour coded cars. Green for district, yellow for circle etc. It made it easier when you got to the platform as the train arrived. Eurgh, I sound so old and grumpy 😂
@AtheistOrphan3 жыл бұрын
Aah, fond memories of the sound (and smell) of the old Circle/District Line ‘R’ stock.
@READYTEDDYBEAR3 жыл бұрын
Only Glasgow knows how to do a "Circle Line" so much so we have 2 of them.
@Derecq3 жыл бұрын
The Clockwork Orange, second oldest underground railway in the world. I used it when I visited Glasgow 2 years ago
@juiceter39813 жыл бұрын
2 circle lines in 1 place? This is britian for you. The scots are just as quirky as the english!
@simonwinter88393 жыл бұрын
READYTEDDYBEAR There's only one.You need to drink some Scotch to see two. Drink a few bottles and the train will have a conversation with you. !!
@READYTEDDYBEAR3 жыл бұрын
Simon Winter No there is the "Outer Circle" that goes "Clockwise" and the "Inner Circle" that goes "Anti-Clockwise".
@roboftherock3 жыл бұрын
@@Derecq Sorry, OM; it's the 3rd oldest after London and Budapest.
@MrGreatplum3 жыл бұрын
Once again, great stuff! Back in the days, I used to work near Baker Street and a pal of mine and I used to go and see how far you can go on the tube in an hour’s lunch break. The answer is, not all the way around the circle line when it was a circle!
@cece_e1937 ай бұрын
You forgot to mention the fact that the Piccadilly Line would get indirectly involved too if there was a delay on the Circle Line since the District and Metropolitan Lines, sharing tracks with the Circle Line, share tracks even with the Piccadilly Line (Respectively at Ealing Common and from Rayners Lane to Uxbridge) and even Chiltern Railways sharing tracks with the Metropolitan Line at Chalfont & Latimer and Amersham, and would even affect the national railways tracks shared with the Bakerloo Line from Queen’s Park to Harrow & Wealdstone, so it would basically create a loop. Anyway, the video was great and I got to know new important things.
@Wertyhappy273 жыл бұрын
Dont live anywhere near London, not even in Europe, and yet I watch these videos
@Lurker19793 жыл бұрын
Congrats on your fastly growing channel.
@hakc97again2 жыл бұрын
This whole line could be a thing of the past sooner than we think. Khan has indicated that an entire tube line could close, no specifications but it's likely going to be this one
@8834 Жыл бұрын
Honestly might be for the better, the district line can replace the segment between Tower Hill and Liverpool Street.
@lawrencelewis81053 жыл бұрын
I recall the London papers calling it a "Lasso" when the change was made.
@barrydysert29743 жыл бұрын
In the receding depths of the twentieth century, '82 it was, the Circle Line was a warm, safe seat to sleep in after a long, cold London night spent sleeplessly at Paddington Station. It was the one line i knew for sure i could fall asleep on and i wouldn't get stranded and or lost. Then and now a warm dreamy haze of faces and places! Wistful that it is no more. 🖖
@dylreesYT3 жыл бұрын
"Well rounded episode" one last pun, love it!
@richardwoods58733 жыл бұрын
When I lived in London it was a Circle; travelled all the way round once
@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne3 жыл бұрын
Jago Hazzard...running circles around all the rest.......
@johnpersonage72203 жыл бұрын
I don't go to that there London much and when I'm there I use the Piccadilly line for my particular missions. One day I had to use the Circle line and it was only by pure chance I happened to be looking at a tube map and listening to an announcement where I needed to change at the next station to continue to my destination. I changed to the train I needed and when I eventually exited the tube system I saw an Underground employee. I said something along the lines of, "That circle line isn't an actual circle. A bit misleading if you ask me." He kind of agreed and did the old shoulder shrug routine.
@KravKernow3 жыл бұрын
I'm another one of the "It looks like a bottle" posse.
@haydenmaines59053 жыл бұрын
I Really appreciate this video! It's been a thought experiment of mine for years to wonder the pros and cons of circular networks versus linear ones, but I'd never considered delays slowing down the whole network. Thank you so much!
@thekaiseraiden3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video as always
@baptisedindirtysprite35933 жыл бұрын
Video hasn’t even been posted for a whole minute, so you haven’t even watched it yet lmaoo wtf
@TotoDG3 жыл бұрын
@@baptisedindirtysprite3593. He doesn't need to; it's still a brilliant video.
@thekaiseraiden3 жыл бұрын
@@baptisedindirtysprite3593 as Soviet Onion correctly acknowledged: no matter what Jago posts, it will always be a brilliant video and surprise surprise; This video was brilliant!
@kierany93 жыл бұрын
I lived in London until the mid-2000's and I thought you were just being weird an pedantic about why it's not a perfect circle with the title up until 0:45. Can't believe that they actually de-circled the circle and I hadn't heard about it, I had to google it to see how it actually worked now. And yes, Edgware Road definitely looks like a pain in the backside to figure out.
@asdaneedsfunds3 жыл бұрын
Drivers finishing a loop at Edgware Road would strategically take a "relief break" (read: toilet), which necessitated a minimum amount of time before returning to the cab. This meant that they would not be able to return to their train in time, and it would be taken on by another driver, giving the first driver a very long break, often suspiciously close to the end of their shift. The 2009 change now means that a driver can pick up a service to Hammersmith - which rarely seems to be required any more.
@nezbrun8723 жыл бұрын
For many years I've lived and worked at approximately diametrically opposite ends of the Circle line. For many years, one of my "get of jail free" cards was to simply to travel in the opposite direction. The Circle line is particularly affected by signal failures and other delays once rush hour has got under way and it can take some time for it to recover. After it was no longer a circle, meaning changing at Edgware Road, that option became far less encouraging: it's permanently overcrowded there with passengers changing trains. So in short, I'm not a fan of non circular Circle line, although experience has taught me exactly where to be on the platform to get a seat 99%+ of the time: hint - go to the end of the train, noting that the Circle line has one fewer carriages than the District and Met lines. However there is one big benefit to the Circle line, (as well as the District and Met): air con!
@EonityLuna3 жыл бұрын
And people here in Singapore were complaining that our own Circle Line wasn't a real circle, but had a gap and forked into two branches at one end... There's an extension under construction that will close that gap; when complete our Circle Line will form a full circle, but with a branch still in the area where it passes through our CBD.
@dianastevenson1313 жыл бұрын
I remember homeless people sleeping on the Circle Line when it was a circle. Never came across a party unfortunately. Now I'm old I can't use escalators due to a vertigo problem so I love the Circle Line as I can get to so many stations on it - Victoria, Paddington, Euston, Kings Cross St Pancras, Liverpool Street, Cannon Street, Blackfriars, and Embankment for Charing Cross. And no escalators needed. It's perfect - I use it a lot!!
@baptisedindirtysprite35933 жыл бұрын
The circle what
@terezar8803 жыл бұрын
The what circle line
@hectorthorverton49203 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your quality ramblings. Another advantage of the present set-up is that it's far better for train crews; enabling drivers to maintain concentration is, shall we say, important. As to the name, those of us who know the tube know how it works, the maps are explicit enough, and we don't want to make life too easy for visitors, do we? Earls Court to Baker Street? Changing at Edgware Road is a small price to pay.
@electragaming41403 жыл бұрын
The concept of running the Circle Line through to Hammersmith wasn’t new to 2009, either. LU ran it to Hammersmith (in what was nicknamed the “Panhandle”) during Notting Hill Carnival weekends for years before that.
@highpath47763 жыл бұрын
And on other engineering works, . Does it go back to a circle if Hammersmith section is closed for engineering? I think operationally the early and late circles were run to Hammersmith Too, though some went to Edgware road to terminate for the night.
@officialmcdeath3 жыл бұрын
@@highpath4776 reversion to original circle has indeed happened on several occasions \m/
@annstewart47313 жыл бұрын
There is a circle line here in Scotland on the trains but!!!! Scotrail run it from Edinburgh Waverley over the bridge and on to Glenrothes via Kirkcaldy, then it changes headcode and runs back to Waverley via Dunfermline. So it does not show in the timetable as a circle which it is not or a through service from one side to the other. Furthermore if the train has a first class compartment you can use it with a standard class ticket! As anther comment read, it would not be Britain without the silliness.
@chrisinnes21283 жыл бұрын
Yeah my local railway line the Fife circle line
@rayfisher3921 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget the Cathcart Circle.
@m20newell3 жыл бұрын
I do kind of miss a circle line train arriving at Edgware Road, becoming a Hammersmith & City line service and then changing back to a circle
@physiocrat71433 жыл бұрын
If you are coming from Paddington on the District Line you now have to change at Edgeware Road. In the days of steam they had to turn the engines to even out the wear.
@enclosingthefield3 жыл бұрын
I left London in 2016 and didn't use the tube much in the latter years, but better late than never, I now know why it became so irritating never being able to get on a proper Circle train that would run non-stop around east and west as they did in my youth.
@KissTheGreat3 жыл бұрын
I still miss when zone 1 was just the area inside the bottle
@seanbonella Жыл бұрын
i think most 'lines' need renaming, especially this one...great job Jago
@nxea1702013 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic video. Your voice is so clear, you'd be a great book narrator.
@JagoHazzard3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@alzeNL3 жыл бұрын
What i like about the circle line is that it doesnt go through croydon, so its safe.
@bruce84433 жыл бұрын
I don't care whether or not it's a circle. It should be whatever it needs to be. But I think whatever route is most like the old circle should keep the name of circle, to be a benefit to regular riders who already know that name. Keeping or improving public understanding and usability will help TFL keep everything going. When you go to cities in the world with poor or no public transportation, you see what a treasure it is to have such an extensive tube system that so many people know how to use every day. It's an inspiration for the rest of the world, even though it does have some "opportunities for improvement" as they say.
@captainufo45873 жыл бұрын
My city has a circle line, but it's a tram rather than rail/metro. It indeed has two termini, but they are in-line, so to speak. Big, off road four tracks loops, where tram A arrives, waits there for up to ten minutes. If tram A is on time, there's usually a tram B already waiting on a parallel track, that usually departs a minute or so after. If you have to go past those "termini", you can both remain on your tram and wait, or rush for the other one. Same thing for the counterclockwise route.
@angrypacifist57823 жыл бұрын
I used to refer to the Circle Line as the Circle And Line between 2009 and 2011. Still think it works quite well if a bit long winded. Would love to hear more about the plans to expand the Circle Line into multiple routes both north and south of the river, didn't quite understand but I sounds really interesting
@konstkaras3 жыл бұрын
Yes, short intervals encourage evading junction, and I wonder why London has so many; for example, Northern line could be divided in two independent lines, just making some passengers to transfer at Camden Town or Kennington instead of waiting for specific train. (Moscow Metro had no junctions in 1938-1984 and 1995-2005, and just two now)
@rickyzuc3 жыл бұрын
I preferred the line pre-2009 when it ran as a 'circle' - I liked that it also have the Hammersmith & City line it's own originality this way.
@robertweissman48503 жыл бұрын
A witty and wise contribution (what I expect of you, Jago). Perhaps the Circle Line should now carry the name Circuitous Line. From someone so pleased to have escaped the over-busy great metropolis.
@wickiezulu Жыл бұрын
There were two attempts for the route to reach Barnes from Hammersmith, one early on during its history and another by Cecil Parkinson who proposed an extension of the real-life Hammersmith & City Line southwards from Hammersmith to Barnes and Roehampton.
@AG7-MTM Жыл бұрын
One day I hope the subsurface lines can be de-interlined. The Circle stays absolutely the same, but the met stops at Baker st (several trains already do), Dist. Stops at High st Ken (or is doubled up to Edgeware as Geoff Marshall explains in "secrets of the District line", and H&C replaces Upminster services either running with the circle if needed, or (admittedly a little controversial) joining the two Aldgate stations with a pedestrian link like Bank & Monument
@jeremypnet2 жыл бұрын
One small advantage of the new arrangement is that my Paddington dilemma is sorted: If I want to go clockwise I use the station at the West end shared with the H&C and if I want to go anticlockwise I use the East end station shared with the District.
@Rusty_Gold853 жыл бұрын
All this reminds me of the Telco i worked for giving staff the new brief on product runouts 6 months after they started being sent to customers . The train system seems to run despite anyone really in control . The frontline operation staff knowing more than upper level management
@stadt-undstraenbahntv43213 жыл бұрын
THE question of all questions...
@petefletcher4513 жыл бұрын
Definitely need more lines with the origin of the names from Shapes.
@MrFlashpoint19783 жыл бұрын
Jago, you magnificent bastard.
@jnoir873 жыл бұрын
I got caught out recently when joining the circle line after leaving a GWR train at Paddington. There are two circle line stations at Paddington and if you walk to the closest one to the concourse and take a train heading east, you’ll make it one stop before having to jump off at Edgware Rd. Frustrating, I would imagine, for passengers from Heathrow who may never have set foot in London before!
@BlaiddLlwyd3 жыл бұрын
"It's a bit of a bodysnatcher." Love it!
@logwhitley3 жыл бұрын
Having a non-circulating circular line is a bit like having a piece of bread stuck to the top of your mouth, irritating but you'll get over it.
@karlosh9286 Жыл бұрын
The "circle" is now the @ line ! I remember the "old" circle line well. It would often stop for AGES at Edgware Road. The current @ configuration makes sense to me .
@62smarty3 жыл бұрын
I often used the Circle line from 1978 to 1987. I always loved to use it. As a Swiss traveler I sometimes missed the right exit 😂. The inner circle was always clockwise, the outer counter clock wise.... at least for me 😂😂😂 Thanks for your videos!
@russellb12123 жыл бұрын
Well rounded, class, the logic for changing makes total sense, very interesting
@cris_2613 жыл бұрын
Love these looks at the history, and idiosyncrasies, of the London Underground. Quite the complex story, that fits nicely with the stories of other nation's elevated and underground transit systems.
@faithlesshound56213 жыл бұрын
So UKIP wanted to restore the "circular" aspect of the Circle Line. That was part of their project to go back to some lost paradise in the 1950's. One candidate even wanted British Railways to repaint their carriages maroon and cream. They didn't go as far as reinstating steam locomotives, unfortunately: that would have meant reopening the coal mines and steel mills, i.e. reversing Thatcherism.
@blondon10503 жыл бұрын
02:37 “no biggie” try telling that to a driver who was expecting 15 minutes turnaround time but now has only 10 or 5. As someone who’s worked drivers before they will tell you it’s a big problem! Great video as always.
@cigibso3 жыл бұрын
It should be called the Q line, for a circle with a little tail through it.
@juiceter39813 жыл бұрын
Q from star trek? Wont he be pleased!
@glynwelshkarelian34893 жыл бұрын
But it can't be Q, it doesn't go through Bond Street!
@brianartillery3 жыл бұрын
I always thought that it looked rather bottle shaped, myself. It's almost as if it was deliberately done so, as perhaps, an 'aide memoir', so the person concerned could look at the map, and think: "Must get another bottle of Buckfast.° °Other 'fighting wines', although not made by monks in a small sleepy town in Devon, are available.
@raphaelnikolaus04863 жыл бұрын
I beg to differ on the Northern line: when looking on Google Maps with the Transport overlay, the Northern doesn't go that much further South than the District line, so it's not that apparent that it is the line that goes the furthest South. Also, in itself it indeed goes further North than South. But you are correct in saying it is not the most Northerly one.
@PsychicLord3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps you might consider an episode looking at the plans to split the Northern line into two.... which is a possibility when the Battersea extension opens.
@JamesTheBell13 жыл бұрын
I thought that it could probably do with some rebranding, and Spiral Line sounds fun to me. But it will probably remain the Circle. Really interesting as to why they terminated the old operational pattern.
@michaeldonahoo4612 жыл бұрын
Frank Pick strikes me as the type of fellow that called a spade a spade! "An article in the Guardian that did not offer any solutions." That could describe every article in the Guardian this century!
@iankemp11313 жыл бұрын
In the early days of the new Circle there were considerable teething troubles; I remember seeing trains queueing up for several minutes to try to get into Hammersmith, and learning as a result to get off at Goldhawk Road and walk - actually quicker! I assume these have long since been sorted.
@iainwalker87013 жыл бұрын
Good channel and very interesting history despite the facts I live in Peterhead and haven't been in London since I was 10 year's old which was 25 years ago.
@ESmith-ik8vu3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of The Naming of Parts, by Henry Reed, 1942.
@DaveDVideoMaker3 жыл бұрын
The Circle line used to be an actual circle, but trains were extended down to Hammersmith in 2009.