Why The EURO Needs 32 Teams

[@FarmerJob33]

Group stage was not boring at all, this whole Euro has been incredible

[@maxischmidt5068]

To be honest, as a German i love the mood the people bring here, but only the first Group Stage Matchday was really good, the 2nd and 3rd were only boring draws, the whole England group was a complete joke and the round of 16 was also not that spectacular. The fans around everything are great but to be honest, after Russia, Post Covid-all over Europe and Qatar even a tournament played in my garden would look like a big party

[@booksandgamesandmemes3126]

@@maxischmidt5068I respect ur opinion, but a random question, why is Iceland ur pfp? 😭😭😭

[@SilverLynel04]

​@@maxischmidt5068Achtelfinale war schon ganz cool 👍🏻

[@yrugah]

3rd matches were pretty much boring

[@Random_clips24650]

Yea Own Goal been on fire 🤣

[@no-push4295]

I have another idea. What about changing up to 28 Teams? 7 groups, the best two in every group advance. That‘ll be 14 Teams. To get to 16, the 2 best of the 7 third placed nations also advance. This would essentially increase the pressure in the last games of the group stage but its Not that Easy to get thrown out with 4 points and a good goal difference. Also, 28 is Not that much and i like the concept of 2 third placed to qualify for the knockouts. Meaning you have a Chance, but you cant be sure and just draw your last game on purpose. What do you think?

[@TheBluverde]

Exactly, if only the first and second placed teams of each group qualify for the knockout stage then some third placed teams with 4, 5 or even 6 points will be eliminated while at the same time second placed teams with only 3 or even 2 points will get trough.

[@Obi_Swagg_Kenobi]

​@@TheBluverdeit's impossible to advance with 2 points/ and there can't be a third placed team with 5 or 6 points. also historically it has only happened once in every tournament that a third placed team has 4 points (1 in 8 groups). and only in 1 or 2 groups every tournament is there a second place with 3 points. that means that the format would work because the 3rd place (4 points) would advance because they are the best of the rest. and this would almost always work because it is almost impossible to get less points in second place than in 3rd (different groups). so only the best teams would advance (even the 3rd place with more points than some teams in groups)

[@asharahmed5238]

Idk man I believe 16 were good enough. Playing directly quarter finals and RO16 being exclusive to world cups only was a great thing.

[@TheBluverde]

@@Obi_Swagg_Kenobi If team A wins against team B, B wins against C and C wins against A and all three of them win against team D then A, B and C will have 6 points. If teams A, B and C draw against each other but win against team D then A, B and C will have 5 points each.

[@melondasher]

​@@Obi_Swagg_Kenobi Hypothetically, Team A wins 1-0 against B, 2-0 against C, and 3-0 against D. The other teams only draw 0-0. That would mean Team A - 9 pts Team B - 2pts - GD -1 Team C - 2pts - GD -2 Team D - 2pts - GD -3 The other one Team A 1 - 0 B Team A 0 - 1 C Team A 1 - 0 D Team B 1 - 0 C Team B 1 - 0 D Team C 1 - 0 D Team A,B,C would all have 6 pts and Team D 0. Is there a rule that I don't know of which would make this not possible? Is my Maths not mathing? Or did you mean "most unlikely" when you said "impossible"? (Please don't answer as if I'm some sort of internet troll, I'm sick of that, I genuinely want to learn this)

[@jarmoliebrand2005]

Anything to increase the chance of San Marino making the euros. 🇸🇲

[@alfiethedinosaur6621]

😂

[@TheKeeeks97]

The pinnacle of boringness was group C: - 5/6 games drawn - on the 3rd matchday, 3/4 teams, including England, parked their bus in front of their goal and playing for a draw because they knew it would be enough to go on On the opposit, you've unlucky Ukraine still going out despite having 4 points because they finished last in their Group. So I totally agree: This format needs to be reformed!

[@justinsm]

Yup. Slovenia who finished 3rd reach KO stage without winning any game. Even though credit for them to struggling Portugal and knocked out by shootout not 90 minutes game

[@stsYT603]

Starkes Profilbild Junge! 🇩🇪🔥

[@aleksipeltosaari3726]

Almost half of the European countries qualifies in the format that is now using, but still Denmark was the only Nordic country in this years tournament. Maybe in 32 teams format will improve Finlands, Norways and Icelands chances to qualify for second time.🇫🇮🦉

[@pturisaksen6044]

I very much enjoy this format. Don’t know what tournament you’ve been watching Fiago if this tournaments group stage was boring apart from group C

[@DavidHernandez-fs8cp]

shut up

[@offical_jamierubberfan]

He means that there is really nothing on the line in a lot of there groups as 3/4 teams will probably qualify

[@Elbichofan]

​@@offical_jamierubberfanbut like if you qualify for the third spot you will face a hard opponent

[@offical_jamierubberfan]

@@Elbichofan not necessarily, I mean Netherlands got 3rd in group d, but got easier opponents than France (2nd) and Austria (1st)

[@Yokah]

3rd matches were almost all boring because most team were just playing for draws

[@rezensionenschreiber47]

Why do they not just reward good performance? My format: 7 groups, first two advance and the best two teams directly qualify for the quarters

[@kryss2056]

so just because someone gets a easy group he will go straight to the quarterfinals?

[@zois2]

Or make it with 24 Teams like yet and the 4 best Teams are in the quarter final or like yet and the place in the groupsstage decides how the knock out games are (in Ro16 play the best Team vs the worst, at ice hockey Olympics no one ist out and instead the group phase isn't boring because all know that they could't chill because then their way to the final will be difficult)

[@Medellinish]

You mean RO16. That would be 16 teams qualifying

[@zois2]

@@Medellinish no I mean that the 4 best group winner are directly in the quarters, the another both group winners plays with the second placed Teams in Playoffs above the restly quaters spots

[@Noa-kn6ve]

Or 28 country with 4 x 7 groups. Top 2 go through and top 2 from 3rd place. Guess that a better mix.

[@Varchitecht]

30 divided by 7?

[@Varchitecht]

Also what if the host and lat winner are top 2

[@ruqzack6313]

@@NRKBRAWL9host and Last Winner auto Last 16 is The Most Boring thing i ever heard

[@Lamebred.]

​@@NRKBRAWL9 It wouldnt be fair competition if they did this. Say Spain win this Euro and then automatically r16 in 2028, they would have that advantage over everyone else. Rest and preperation has to be the same for every nation, or as close as possible to it. Also id imagine winning the competition wouldnt feel as good bypassing the group stage.

[@Gri77ly]

​@@NRKBRAWL9 That's incredibly stupid mate. Ain't nobody gonna get anything gifted to em just because they are the hosts

[@FuchsHund]

Nah, that would mean over half of the federations of UEFA would qualify to the Euros therefore making the qualifiers kinda pointless 🤷‍♂️

[@multoxgaming5756]

I could see them integrating the qualifiers into the Nations League. Then you have a bit more to play for.

[@alphagamer9505]

So the quality of Europe has been on the raise ,its not just the usual Big teams that Make Deep runs

[@sparkz2337]

they could just copy asia and make the euro qualifiers the first stage of the world cup qualifiers kind of

[@basti6643]

get rid of the qualifier man. Make them only between small nations so they fight for some spots while big nations qualify automatically. That way we also get rid of stupid internation breaks

[@hitthurdeaux]

@@basti6643 England failed to qualify in 2008 and Holland in 2016, while Italy barely reached this Euro Cup. Qualifiers are still dangerous for the giants. Removing qualifiers removes a standard of quality for competition.

[@NanobanaKinako]

Asian Cup needs this expansion too.

[@hitthurdeaux]

No, it really doesn’t. You lack understanding in striking a balance between quality and quantity.

[@Ronaldobettersiu]

Maybe Scotland would qualify every time

[@rancidbhoy]

England would still win fuck all.

[@fairphoneuser9009]

@@rancidbhoy And then fuck up!

[@Aldiboi77]

Please as a Bosnian let us join!! 😂😂

[@boski777]

16 teams format is the most balanced and entertaining format 👍

[@DacianAstilean-Styles-en8hp]

The group stages were highly entertaining, bar GC

[@hannessahlsten9300]

What about keeping 24 teams and going for 8 groups of three? 2 top teams advance. And that would remove the "most third place teams advance but not all" nonsense.

[@SturmZebra13]

I don't mind 32 teams. The quality will get worse, but we will also have more surprises. And why not have a really big celebration of football all across Europe?

[@justarandomguyonyoutube584]

Why don't we just invite the whole federation then

[@hitthurdeaux]

Because it’s not a celebration. It’s a competition.

[@IzakPregeljKlemencic]

I agree with Fiago these format with 32 team's would be great.

[@baseupp12]

Ehh I guess they can try it but if we get 2 groups where one team dominates every other team by 4+ goals or more lower it back down

[@juschi634]

I hate the current 3rd place rule. In my opinion the strongest teams not making it to the top of the table are the ones with the most points compared to their group‘s first and second placed countries. Ukraine got kicked out with four points whereas Slovenia and Hungary went on with less points. Compared to their group leaders Ukraine is overall the stronger than both teams mentioned before with having managed to get the same amount of points. But a rule acknowledging that might be too complicated to understand or too mathematical for some people even though it would be a simple ratio calculation

[@justinsm]

I mean England are topping the group with 2nd least point behind Romania. Even Austria got more points tied with Germany

[@CCCPRusRus]

Well cause everyone in Group E finished with 4 points and Ukraine went out on goal difference

[@nachocheese1934]

Nah man and then the qualifiers are useless, 16 is the answer only the top teams

[@Edu23u]

In my opinion, the Euro and World Cup must change to the new "Swiss model" UCL format. With just 1 league stage instead of 8 groups, it would be fairer because that would prevent for example Ukraine with 4 points getting knocked out while Slovenia with 3 points going to the knockouts. They could implement 3 league stage matches for each team and no play-offs, just the top 16 going through. Then it's the same format. Probably didn't do the maths right but it's a good idea imo (I'll probably get roasted for this)

[@TheGreatJRW]

Wofür braucht man dann noch eine Quali, wenn sich knapp zwei Drittel des Kontinents für die EM qualifiziert. Das ist absolut sinnlos.

[@pulsaris3423]

Knapp ein Drittel? Seit wann hat die UEFA 90 Mitgliedsverbände? Eher knapp die Hälfte.

[@TheGreatJRW]

@@pulsaris3423 Sorry sollte zwei Drittel heißen

[@gurke2702]

Here's a fun fact for the expansion tournaments in 1960 and 1980 he used the actual teams of those tournaments however for 1996 he also does that except for one. He uses belgium flag instead of german

[@BEKisHERE]

Fiago I'm sending this message early RIP Germany ur run will be forever remembered 🫡

[@ZafeirZ]

As a Norwegian, as long as we keep solbakken, a national league level coach we need this

[@polokan]

Absolutely not. Currently, EURO qualifying consists of 8/10 games depending on the group. Expanding to 32 teams would mean third places would go through, so beating Faroe Islands and Moldova, for example, would be enough to qualify, rendering a very significant portion of the international season cycle completely worthless. I think the current system works fine, but if we must reform it, then I'd propose returning to the 2012 format and reducing the number of teams to 16

[@morganthefork193]

16 teams isn't a realistic change though

[@polokan]

@@morganthefork193 what's unrealistic about it?

[@lulacrips8471]

​@@morganthefork193because of less games, less money, but now its so boring, its killing football

[@Misosam123]

Nah with 32 teams basically every European country will play in the Euros😹👋🏻 a better alternative would be 24 teams with 4 groups of 6, and the first 4 go through for round of 16 or first 2 for quarters.

[@HerrHermannMann854]

Great idea!

[@gronccoravioli]

This would result in way too many games (75 instead of current 51), making the euros longer. Managers & players are already complaining about seasons being too long and packed with too many games.

[@gronccoravioli]

@@iemanddiejenietkent-gf8jy Well how would that work? You can't have quarter finals with 12 teams, you need 8 (or 16).

[@iemanddiejenietkent-gf8jy]

@@gronccoravioli oh shit.. didnt thought about that...

[@andreasfranzgass8525]

Groups of 6. That's lot of games

[@tariqomer4678]

Keep the current 24 teams format. Only top of the group qualifies while the top 2 2nd place countries qualify directly tp the quarters. No r16

[@verspin]

At this point let's just make every team from Europe qualify. Can't wait to watch Gibraltar v Lichtenstein

[@banthachannel5132]

austria ruined the bracket and dipped out. LOL

[@gypsymuffinABZ]

I think it is fine the way it is. I thought the group stages were pretty good at this years tournament.

[@eyads7298]

Really good point, totally agree 2nd and 3rd matchday in this Euor was incredibly boring and now I knew why thanks to Fiago!!!

[@multimrwatcher8695]

Or 24 Team, but only the first and second comes to the next round. The best four first places direct to the quarter finals and the other 8 teams play a first KO match to complete it.

[@julianeder4699]

on the contrary having more squads with lower odds of advancing would make things much more interresting as many of them would have nothing to lose. The most boring to watch teams of this tournament were the big nations that are featured almost every time (france, england) while lesser known teams like austria and georgia managed to put out quality displays that kept fans glued to the screen

[@tseditz61]

I've heard that in the EUROS in Italy and Turkiye, there will be 32 teams.

[@N1KI007]

Wikipedia says 24 tho 🤷

[@tseditz61]

@@N1KI007 We'll see

[@gronccoravioli]

Unconventional idea that might fix everything: -> 24 teams, BUT the 4 best 3rd place teams advance based on goal difference, NOT points. Never gonna happen tho, i know.

[@justinsm]

how to determine? u can't let teams with only 1/2 points with -1/2 goal difference advanced but 4 points with -3 goal difference got knocked out. We've seen how England and France park the bus for the whole tournament to reach semi

[@zois2]

Or the 4 best non qualified teams like in the nfl or elf

[@ishwar5936]

My idea is to keep the 24 team 6 group system but have the top 2 3rd places advance and let the other 4 3rd place finishers compete on the 2 off days for the other 2 spots. Would make it more fair for 3rd place finishers who were trown in a group of death. And it would be fun for the fans to watch

[@justinsm]

You know what's unfair? Ukraine with 4 points finished last in their group with -2 goal difference. But Slovenia who only draw their group matches with 3 points advance to ko stages.

[@browhat6935]

Well the rule is 4th place goes out regardless​@justinsm

[@ishwar5936]

@@justinsm I actually also think wins should be worth 2 points. Now it is that if you win 1 and lose 2 you have equal points then if you draw 3

[@vllai5785]

I mean besides Group C this Euro has been really fun to watch, so I don't see why they would change it to 32 teams. But yeah, maybe it could give the smaller nations a better chance to be at the Euros

[@andreasfranzgass8525]

Did you watch the group stage? And we had 24 Teams at 3 World Cups. I always liked it

[@ViveLaRevolution1789]

I think that knockout stages should start on Last 8, not 16. 6 1st places in groups and 2 best 2nd place in groups. There would be a VERY, VERY MUCH competition. (My english is shit)

[@HaHaHaHaaland9]

Tbh in my opinion thats a wonderful idea

[@froggary]

That is not what the group stage was like at all. With the exception of a couple of teams, it was very exciting.

[@haarissiddique9246]

@fiago I 100% agree! You sort if lose that last matchday excitement like it is now. A good example is the recent World Cup with the Spain, Germany, Japan & Costa Rica group where the top 2 were constantly changing!

[@JM91x]

That’s too many games to schedule. Won’t work.

[@alphagamer9505]

70-73 never forget

[@jw550w0r9pw]

World Cup format has the issue of last games not mattering at all quite frequently. So 28 teams would be better. Now instead of the 2 worst 3rd teams out, the 2 best 3rd teams qualify. Something to play for until the end.

[@hitthurdeaux]

This is incorrect. Most group stages’ final days feature 2, sometimes even 3 teams fighting for 2nd place. In the very tight ones, 3-4 teams can still advance.

[@subiewrx-86]

This is exactly always comes to my mind, we need more nations to participate, these nations have a massive a supporters such as greece, and we miss some stars to play in this tournament such as norway with haaland etc.

[@JudTheDudytube]

Bro fiago did you only watch englands group because this group stage was sick

[@semsettininarabas2632]

Can you talk about merih demirals punishment because he made a hand sign that means wolf(how bellingham got no punishment with his acts)

[@junglebogged32]

My words you are so right

[@Dinoo1234]

The vibes this tournament has been incredible

[@ramiromen6595]

No WC and Euros should be REDUCED in size. Enough place for mediocrity as it is. 16 teams once more or bust

[@osm7r_]

With the WC expanding to 48 teams, I think it’s only natural that the EUROs expand to 32.

[@zois2]

Another Idea:4 groups a 6 Teams the both best teams go to the quaterfinals or like yet the both best teams are in the Ro16 and the third and both best forth placed playing in playoffs for the four empty Ro16 places

[@Ender-bp2cn]

I don't think the group stage has been boring but i totally agree they should have 32 teams in the euros and also 48 teams in the world cup it would just be better that way

[@MCK620]

Keep 6 groups of 4 - first 2 to advance. Then, make 4 groups of 3 - first 2 to advance. Then quarter finals and further

[@kimjancok]

Fiago kinda tripping with this one

[@gregor017]

Just waiting for Euros where after qualifiers only 1 country gets eliminated

[@echarts3710]

I think it should (and will) be considered if number of member assocations in UEFA increases from 55. If they adopt in current structure, then they should shrink the qualifiers, since playing so many matches for a tournament with 60% qualification rate does not make sense.

[@stearonchristian4756]

I think it would be better to have more competition in the Euros so 32 is better

[@Jack-pl2he]

the qualifiers will be useless then

[@jiggo4127]

Yea, who wouldn’t want to watch a possible statpadding session between Portugal and san marino in the euros 😅

[@vidisg14]

Euros should be about the best countries competiting. We have 55 members, and 32 qualifying would be bad because of it. Also no offense to them, but teams like Montenegro, Luxembourg could lower the quality of the tournament

[@aashisha2316]

Better idea is keep it at 24 and just make it 8 groups of 3

[@Owl-cs6kn]

yup. with more spots availableeven the qualifiers would get more heated, which is even better for UEFA. Plus, those extra 8 teams could be anyone, even Luxembourg and Kazakhstan as we already saw could directly qualify.

[@etiennedeleage6804]

Mbappe honestly could’ve broken that record He would’ve been half way to breaking Peles record had fifa not given Pessi so many free penalties. Now thanks to that we may very well never see a player win 4 world cups in our lifetimes

[@giannispats]

All these 0-0 and 1-1 are boring for some,but at this level rarely a team does a mistake so i just acknowledge it as peak football

[@sebastianhostynski]

Jeśli nie byłoby Ligi Narodów, to git

[@theworstpart]

If anything having more nations would make the euros more exciting, with more chances for possible upsets and underdogs.

[@basti6643]

Just make 32 teams and get rid once and for all of those mid-season international breaks that are incredibly boring and only make the players get injured

[@Mopile_420]

I agree 100%. I was talking about this for some time.

[@JMKrech]

Well said 👏🏼

[@ZlatanGoat1981]

Now Ukraine got grupped with 4 points

[@Nichollaa]

More teams should be able to play, it doesn't make it unwatchable, in fact those "low-quality" teams actually play better than the favourites, Georgia, Austria, Romania and the examples.

[@krichenboi]

Well that also means that teams like kazakhstan, israel and Luxembourg will be able to participate Also armenia, north macedonia and more

[@yanamed6477]

Ukraine placing fourth in their group with 4 points begs to differ...

[@godmode_on8205]

Meanwhile Ukraine not qualifying with 4 points: 😮

[@antonbonetti5567]

I am from Finland and it is rare that smbd talks about us

[@Boredoutofmywits]

Spain's matches weren't boring. They played to win.

[@skojuzija]

I disagree with 32 teams bcs that would decrease the quality of the tournament and also it would be too easy to qualify. People need to realise that qualifiers are also important part of every championship

[@flokl6667]

San Marino vs Lithuania in Group sage, great idea you hühnchen

[@zohzu]

I had to check if this is n old short or new one because this euros groups was so nice. The real downer are watching France and England.

[@Demon_Derek]

The Euros could get expanded to 32 but somehow the Republic of Ireland would find a way not to qualify 😭

[@ItsJelly007]

Should be 16 teams

[@ugonna1878]

As an African, I feel the same for the afcon

[@ryanpearce875]

Eufa could also invite two teams from different continents, Mexico and Australia for example. Perhaps Iran and Morocco. Maybe even the USA and Egypt. It would spice things up

[@mdtanimislam8907]

32 teams for a continental tournament does not really sounds good

[@thomasanimationetco]

Unpopular opinion: What if we take the 6*4 group stage and rotate 90 degree That would make a 4*6 group stage Only the 2 first of each group advance to the ¼finals

[@Uncheckedgamingtroop]

Norway would still find a way somehow to not qualify

[@cukincharts2225]

I agree, the group stage was incredibly boring and low quality

[@hitthurdeaux]

16 teams was perfect. 24 has diluted the quality, and 32 would be overkill.

[@bigbowss9817]

It would fix the group stage issue sure, but with half the federation qualified, it makes the qualification stage pointless. 16 teams was perfect imo, UEFA didnt need to meddle with either the Euros or UCL format, its pure greed once again...

[@asharahmed5238]

"Time to pass the bus".😂😂😂

[@MissKorea-oy9ip]

If you do this I feel like you need guest nations from outside Europe, just like they did in Copa America. Almost every European country would qualify for Euro and there would be no stakes in qualifying. Maybe add just one country from each conference to make things spicy?

[@HatterTobias]

Keep it at 24, but make it so that only the winner of each group gets to knockouts, with 2 other teams These other 2 teams will be from the 2nd placed teams AND the 2 best 3rd placed teams. These 8 teams would then play in another group stage, where the winner of each group go to the QFs 4 more matches from the normal format , MUCH more jeopardy (Teams would absolutely try to get 1st, since the first and second group stage are the same phase, so there's no breaks between both the first and second group stages) and guaranteeing only elite teams go to knockouts

[@9kaart]

Bro jinxed Ukraine!

[@MakhanSingh-tg2od]

St.pauli ❤❤❤❤Die beste Mannschaft aus Hamburg

[@StefanoSalSindacco94]

Wie viele Deutsche Meisterschaften hat St. Pauli gewonnen? NULL! War es St. Pauli, der 1983 die Champions League gewann? NEIN, es war der Hamburger SV! DIE WIRKLICH GRÖSSTE MANNSCHAFT IN HAMBURG!

[@circle1552]

Might be a very, very unpopular opinion, but I think the Euros should have stayed a 16 team tournament. I just feel the Euros was more exciting with 16. It's the same with the World Cup. I feel 48 is too much and 32 was fine. It's like the saying 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[@nathanb286]

But it is like a 128 team world cup with the ratio. Too many teams qualify making qualifying pointless, and then diluting the quality as teams play so many matches. The best format for the Euros is the 16 team format

[@IssolandtiscaÉmpérādt]

As a sweden fan i want it

[@rellrylio5567]

Why do people care about the qualifiers more than the act tournament?! 😅 YES 32 teams like WC is naturally a better format. They can shorten the qualifying process or tie the qualifying process more to the nations league to make THAT competition hold more weight. It would mean LESS international games in non big tournaments which isn’t a bad thing 💯

[@mrakat_27]

And with that, giving Haaland a taste of the Eurocup also sounds cool, with Norway surely qualifying