Why the Force Itself REJECTS Mandalorians - Star Wars Explained

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[@dantherpghero2885]

I can see Sabine developing an ability to sense opponents and anticipate their actions, But I don't think she'll shoot force lightning or do telekinesis. The cup will always win.

[@Tronscrolls]

It's almost impossible for a non force sensitive to wield a lightsaber. She handled the darksaber(an ancient lightsaber used to combat jedi opression) with ease. Only force sensitve mandos can wield the darksaber

[@fedoremelianenko430]

@@Tronscrolls No , anyone who wins it in fight can wield the darksaber.

[@deaddudegaming]

@@Tronscrolls No that's not true the Darksaber is no different then any other lightsaber. Any one can learn how to use a lightsaber. You don't have to be force sensitive to use one. You just have to have the right mind set and training. Think about it Moff Gideon was able to wield the darksaber and he is not force sensitive at all. He just had the right mind set and probably training that allowed him to use it.

[@deaddudegaming]

@@fedoremelianenko430 No thats not true at all not exactly. The legend of the Darksaber is that who ever wins the fight is the owner of the Darksaber and ruler of Mandalorian. It's more of a custome then anything else. Think about Din beat Moff Gideon and took the Darksaber but he couldn't control it once he had it. He had to be trained how to use it. He still struggles with it. So it has nothing to do with who wins the fight that's just a mandalorian custome surrounding the darksaber.

[@OneTrueNobody]

@@Tronscrolls This "you have to be force-sensitive to wield a lightsaber" nonsense is headcanon that has no basis in canon. Anyone can "wield" a lightsaber. All you need to be able to do is turn it on and swing it around. It just wouldn't be on the same level as what a Force-sensitive could do, because it takes Force-sensitivity to know to move your saber before a blaster's trigger is pulled to intercept the shot precisely where it will land; it takes Force-sensitivity to fight on a level higher than what "ordinary" melee weapons training will allow, to exceed the normal training-based reactions your physical body and mind are capable of. Anyone can wield a lightsaber. Only Force-sensitives can stand up to other Force-sensitives in lightsaber combat, however, because a regular person using a lightsaber will always be a notch or two behind on reactions.

[@joshkarren2698]

It is possible that mandalorians cannot use the force because they close the mind and build their skills in other areas. We learn this from KOTOR2 for Kreia and on Telos IV.

[@Jay-qd7ib]

Unfortunately its legends but we all want to believe its canon so yea

[@P9u9r6p2l4e]

So wait, the kotor games aren’t canon? That’s sad, they’re such good stories!

[@joshkarren2698]

They were reintroduced as canon again quite a while ago.@@P9u9r6p2l4e

[@fireplaysyt1913]

​@@P9u9r6p2l4ethey were before 2014 when disney took star wars

[@Phasma6969]

They're canon

[@debbee0867]

I'm still convinced Din Djarin is force sensitive, but he is totally unaware of it, and his own PTSD is holding him back. They have showed it a couple of times in the show that he has heightened senses no normal person would have. As of yet, we know nothing about his family or background. It could also explain his connection to Grogu. We know he isn't a true Mandalorian in the sense of the word, but he could also be a descendant of the Whills (the red robes). Or, just a normal guy 😅 a girl can dream LOL

[@WarlockGamingYT]

Honestly not a bad theory, it lines up perfectly with Sabine's situation in the sense of their creed

[@streetridersss8360]

Din Djarin being force sensitive it's better than sabine! :))

[@realplatinum]

I like this line of thought!

[@tyicocirand6883]

My Cat Can be A Force Sensitive these days *MEOW* 😹

[@wadereynoldsdeadpool5768]

He's not force sensitive but yes you can dream

[@BIGJATPSU]

Yoda had this situation pegged in Empire: LUKE: All right, I'll give it a try. YODA: No! Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. (Luke fails at getting his sunken X-Wing out of the swamp) (Yoda through The Force raises the X-Wing with little difficulty) LUKE I don't... I don't believe it. YODA That is why you fail. Sabine just needs to empty her head of doubt and worry. Will she suddenly become Ashoka level, NO, but she'll be a match for Shin at least.

[@20th_century_Ghost]

I really don't like the constant reconning that Disney is doing to Star Wars; they don't respect the source material, and it's why so many fans have walked away.

[@kegger3152]

It's also a product of diving deeper into the "SW universe" the deeper you go in all these different directions, the more details that have to be fleshed out. The more details you flesh out, the more issues you run into with contradictions in the source material. So now you gotta come up with some sort of explanation to make it all work, hence the retcons. The more we peel back the veil and look at things, the less magical they become.

[@CyAnKS93]

Not sure I agree on this take. For one, Mandalorians are a culture- not a species. So that final point doesn't really fit well. The only reason all the mandalorians we see are human is budget and, well, humans. Plus, their reliance on technology and what they can see isn't necessarily out of the question- Yoda himself says "not this crude matter. You must feel the force around you... the tree, the rock, everywhere". Lifeforms aren't necessarily required (yes midichlorians can influence the force but it isn't really stated that they *generate* the force). Though I would agree that mindset does play a role, though more that mandalorians occupy that in between space- neither in touch enough with the force to obey it like the jedi, nor ego centric enough to command it like the sith. They are subordinate to their tribes, so no ego of the scale required, but are so subservient they don't feel the will.

[@alphabravo_23]

Well for the longest time, it was a technically a "species". Since to be Mantolorian, you had to have been born of Mandolore, or it's settlements. They are humanoid, but not necessarily human, just similar carbon based beings (because of budget of course lol). The children of the watch stuff only came to be because of the destruction of Mandolore and decimation of their numbers. It's why Bo Katan and her group have an issue with the Children of the Watch and Din Djarin.

[@xyreniaofcthrayn1195]

mandolorians are not even a culture properly but a religion one a species now extinct called mandolorians as @alphabravo_23 states. Though i'm not sure whether they are meaning the first or second planet named mandalore.

[@lucianmccloud7652]

The original mandolorian species were the taung, grey skinned simian species who were ran off by the Zhell. Over time after mandolore the first came to power they took a new planet calling it Mandolore. While conquering many planets they started allowing outsiders into their ranks. After that the taung/mandolorians became known more as a culture than a species. This is also legends lol

[@loganmiles7836]

To the point on midichlorians, I was just thinking and they don’t ever really explain it beyond, “high count = powerful force sensitivity”. What if they are basically a bacteria that feeds on the living force, so someone with a strong innate connection to the living force would have more of the bacteria in their bodies, because they would have more energy to sustain them, sort of like a benign parasite. Just a theory

[@aleksazunjic9672]

Ancient Mandalorians saw Force as an infestation, not a source of life. This goes well with KOTOR 1 and 2 view of the Force, where Mandalorians first appeared.

[@ryangreskoviak4889]

Personally, I think Sabine and Din Jarin are like Obi Wan Kenobi. None of them have the greatest force potential or connection to the force. But through hard work training and discipline, they can easily become great. Obi-Wan became one of the greatest Masters of the Jedi order through hard work and experience. Both of them can be too, but like Asoka said in episode three not every one can handle the commitment.

[@deaddudegaming]

Yes but Obi-Wan still had enough of midichlorian count to actually access the force and use it. Sabine and Din don't have enough of midichlorian count to actually access the force. It's the midichlorians that give a Jedi the ability to access the force but has to be high enough to do so on a low level.

[@daniels7907]

The Mandalorians are taught to look outward, towards their weapons, rather than inward. Thus, it is easy for a Mandalorian to see the Darksaber as simply a weapon with a notable history, and to assume that skill with it is no different than skill with any other weapon. The *spiritual* aspect of using the Force is alien to their mindset. While they know the Force is real, they don't see the connection between it and their weapons, or how the Jedi use it to enhance their combat skills.

[@DarkRider117]

Honestly this whole thing with Sabine is confusing the way I’ve been seeing what they’re doing is saying everyone can use the force like a Jedi as long as they can do the training, I don’t know maybe I’m wrong or dumb but I truly don’t understand what they’re trying to relate about this

[@thalmoragent9344]

I feel that they just prefer to throw hands and use their weapons in a manner in which most Jedi and Sith wouldn't. Sure, some Jedi like the Sentinels have skills that Mandalorians could respect, but the Mandalorian way of life (and their opposition to the Jedi way) means they don't awaken their latent Force abilities in life. Sure, use of the force passively may have happened. Some more famous Mandalorians may be using the force in a manner that isnt offense/active like Jedi and Sith, but it helps them with say, enhanced reflexes or a stronger 6th sense. They just wouldn't see it as being force sensitive, just special or having a great natural talent. (Which ironically, is essentially what Force users are, special, naturally gifted/talented people)

[@prot07ype87]

*Because they don't have enough midi-chlorians.*

[@abbeybevan8225]

Didn't Mace suggest to Yoda in the prequels that they tell the government that their ability to use the force was compromised

[@guymccloud6731]

Good video. Given their shaky history, I look back to when Mando gave the chain mail armor to Grogu and Luke said he had to make a decision. What did Luke feel when Grogu chose the armor?

[@apaladinoflight305]

I believe that there is force sensitivity among Mandalorians, but given their history with jedi, they repress it, In order to not be treated as outcasts; also is not just technology that makes them formidable warriors, they probably have heightened senses and instincts coming from mild force sensitivity among various mandalorians

[@avibhagan]

Um, being force sensitive and being able to wield the force are two separate things . It has been explained that Han Solo was actually force sensitive and that his ability to navigate asteroid fields due to his attunement with the force . Luke and Anakin displayed the same ability to use the force while piloting aircraft and speed pods. Similarly, Mandalorian would display abilities which suggested a heightened connection with the force, but they would be unable to, consciously, wield the force. Sabine's tech ability was only displayed by one other person in Star Wars cannon, and that was Anakin. Anakin built C3PO , before he had any training in the ways of the Jedi. Sabine's insight into electronics and machinery could very well be due to a force connection.

[@Dewydidit]

I don't think the force "dismisses" Mandalorians, but rather they dismiss the force. They HAVE the force or they would be dead, as the force resides in all living things. But they do not believe in it, therefore cannot wield it or tap into it for power. Remember, a "sign" of force sensitivity is "luck", which Sabine has demonstrated a keen aptitude for. She can make jumps, shots, judgement calls, ect. that show her sensitivity to the force. She just cannot trust in an intangible force, therefore, wielding it has eluded her.

[@nzcyclone]

I see a lot of debate about Sabine and if she should be a Jedi. My answer to that is why not? As has been stated in this video and elsewhere anyone can become with the force. As to if you wish to use that ability is up to the individual. If Sabine wishes to train in the force and it looks like so far at least she does. Then why not. Ahsoka at least seems very keen on training her. She may not be the most "gifted" in the force but so far at least she is showing determination and commitment to train and learn.... Is that not a major part at least of what the Jedi is all about? I can understand why quite a few left the order with all its rules. It was destined to fail as it was becoming so restrictive. Becoming restrictive also means you are closing your mind to other possibilities. If the Jedi order had not been so restrictive. Would Palpatine have been so successful, I am not convinced he would have. For example QJN would have sensed him if he had of survived and I am sure he was not the only Jedi who had that ability. But because everything was so stuck in rules. They effectively closed the door and allowed Palpatine to grow. But I digress back to Sabine. Do I think she will be another Ahsoka or Luke, no not at all. But do I think she will learn and become good with some abilities? yes eg force push/pull as an example. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

[@aodhhanswtor7252]

Nice theory. I like it. Everything does seem to make sense and fall into place. It isn't Sabine is weak with the force; metaphorically, her ability to quiet herself to listen to the force has been plugged by Mandalorian teachings.

[@blackwingz55]

You don't need to be taught by somone who knows how to wield the force to be able to or accidently use the force. Ezra was able to peform a force jump in episode one of rebels before he knew what the froce was. And being more intune with technology does not make someone less force sensitive, there have been a few species/ancient civilizations that were that were highly technologically advance bat the same time force sensitive

[@brokenbridge6316]

Mera is the only other Mandalorian to ever become a Jedi that I remember. But certain circumstances went into her upbringing that helped with that.

[@Tint_Guy]

No no no, EVERYONE is force sensitive! You just have to commit to it!

[@CrossoverGeekDA]

What about Jedi Master Dorjander Kace? He fell in love of a Mandalorian girl named Varda and he became a Foundling and then embraced the Way as the leader of the Mandalorian Knights (Jedi who embraced the Mandalorian Way). An that was centuries before Tarre Vizsla

[@jeffreyreed4556]

I honestly think everyone is missing the verbiage used. Aptitude is your ability to use it, not how force sensitive you are. Same in real life, or dnd. Intellect vs wisdom. Knowledge you can learn, and ability to use the knowledge at your disposal. I think she's actually very strong in it, but lacks the capability to unlock her own capabilities. But will . Anyways... yea Aptitude is different from how sensitive to force she is. Just her ability to use it. Also to addon i think even if shes lightly force sensitive it sets up her and grogu perfectly. For us old folks, freak and the mighty. Someone strong physically vs mental and someone mentally unique but physically frail. Both mandalorians. Both force sensitive. One my physical mandalorian, one more force jedi. It really is a perfect balance. And just enough force ro make them a team who can communicate through creeds.

[@PocketBrain]

I think the Mandalorian mindset focuses on the martial arts, and thus their expression of force sensitivity does, as well. The other Jedi-type skills fall by the way, but likely the greatest Mandalorian warriors are force-sensitive in a narrow sense. See: Bo-Katan using the Darksaber. Or any weapon, really, but her very proficient use of it against the scavenger really illustrates that he has a bit more than just skill with the blade. my opinion.

[@Brinelious]

I think because Mandalorians are so cool, and we've learned so much about them, we tend to think of them as protagonists now, but for much of galactic history they were pretty shitty, definitely not the "good guys." Conquering other worlds, driving other species to extinction, just for the sake of it. Because to them glory in battle was the pinnacle, kind of like Trandoshans hunting Wookiees. And there was a ton of civil war between clans, they barely got along with other Mandalorians. They were also long time enemies of the Jedi, often creating new tech and weapons to specifically combat force wielders, mostly Jedi. Because of this there very well could've been many force sensitive Mandalorians that either never knew it, or repressed it, or were outright forbidden from training. Actually becoming a Jedi or even just using the force would be like switching sides to the enemy.

[@tangfors]

Nothing when it comes to numbers in Star Wars makes sense. But have read somewhere that there were only around 4 million Mandalorians living on Mandalor. But there are 1.3 million inhabited planets in the galactic republic. When the Jedi were at their peak, there were around 10,000 of them. That means there wasn't even a Jedi on every hundred planets. But these are also only the planets that are represented in the senate, there are apparently 3.4 billion habitable planets (how many of these are inhabited by intelligent life is not said, but it is probably several of them). There are 1 trillion people living on Coruscant. That a planet with 4 million inhabitants would statistically ever have a Jedi is statistically almost non-existent. But as I said nothing with numbers in Star Wars makes sense. If we play with the idea that Coruscant has about the same police force as on Earth, then there would be a couple of billion police on Coruscant alone, recruiting 5% of a country's population into the military, when the country is at war is really not unusual Coruscant could then recruit 50 billion troops. In these terms, Mandalor becomes far too small a planet population wise to make any difference, the clone arm is so small that it wouldn't even be able to hold even a few quarters on Coruscant, the Jdia as powerful as they are would hardly even make a difference. And as I said that you would even find a force use on a planet with such an extremely small population as Mandalor is totally unlikely.

[@orlandobritt1460]

I mean in one of the games they show way to boost force power in those with little to none to a low knight level. So I would not be shocked if she got access

[@OneTrueNobody]

Counting Grogu as a Force-sensitive Mandalorian in this case doesn't really hold water in the conversation, since he was a Force-sensitive living in the Jedi Temple long before he was a Mandalorian.

[@timwhite5562]

This whole Jedi training for Sabine is complete bullshit. They totally upended rules and precedent with her character and this "the force resides in an things" justification for teaching her to get Jedi when she has no force abilities. Ahsoka basically said you can used the force even if you can't use the force, all you need to do is click your ruby boots the times and say "there's no way but the Jedi way; there's no way but the Jedi way." Any other interpretationv is really just painting the bullseye around the arrow. I mean Christ, if they could do that then they should have just been using orphans instead of taking kids from their families for the Jedi order. I get the point of this channel: it's about telling the stories and getting into academic principles, not a review show here for criticism. I fully acknowledge that while it's fun to watch some of the more witty channels (justifiably) shit all over the projects that have been coming out, there is a need to channels like this that don't really take sides. It's why i subscribe and enjoy the videos. Sometimes though, i think it affords the writers of Disney era Star Wars more credit than they come close to deserve. Especially when Interpreting plot holes as not really plot holes, but part of some longer story arc. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes a steaming heap of dogs shit is just a pile of dog shit.

[@jaredquinney204]

I really can't believe that the mandalorians are really tight

[@djnavarro3212]

Well luckily now under Bo Katan leadership, Mandalorians and Jedi are now in piece with each other

[@codemaxim3168]

How was Tarre Vizsla closely followed by Grogu when he died about 1000 years before Grogu was even born? Did I miss something?

[@lcb1250]

I just accepted the fact that both his spine and heart were damaged. And with no immediate medical help, he died quickly.

[@tinyduece4177]

Got me feeling froggy cuz just might leap kiccin cacc ceing blue

[@maverick_cw]

IMO - It's not so much that "the Force Itself REJECTS Mandalorians"...and more that it's the Mandalorians that REJECT the Force. Particularly because...Mandalorians are bound by CREED; Not species. To shirk all Mandalorians, the Force would have to shirk ALL species that could/would potentially become Mandalorian. But, not JUST that... Think about the history Mandalorians have with the Jedi. The Mandalorians and the Jedi (nah, the Mandalorians and ALL Force Wielders in general!) are mortal enemies. And, I bet you any amount of any currency, that that animosity was never truly hatred; It was an insane respect as Force-Wielders were usually the only real "threat"/challenge Mandalorians ever faced. And, we all KNOW, Mandalorians love a challenge in combat and harbor incredible respect for any being(s) that can provide that to them. But, I digress. It's my belief that if a Mandalorian parent(s) were to discover in some way that their child(ren), whether blood or foundling, were to display Force Sensitivity, the parent(s) would have dissuaded the young ones from using the Force either by knowingly ignoring both child and powers (which would wrenching for a child being raised in a tight-knit, warrior community) or by actively and most likely very verbally steer the children from using or pursuing the Force. Probably up to and including considering the giving into "the Will of the Force" to be treachery and mutiny. On this logic, if Sabine IS Force Sensitive, it's most likely that any connection to the Force was restricted so completely at such a young age that she herself would have no knowledge of ever having had a connection. Any Mandalorian with any measurable connection to the Force would probably display said connection simply with increased strength, speed and prowess in battle - which Mandalorians would merely attribute to ferocious life-long training. Also, based on this thought line, it makes me wonder deeply just HOW Tarre Viszla went from Mandalorian to Jedi then allowed to return to his home-state. If he was taken by the Jedi at a young age as was Jedi custom, he most likely wouldn't have been raised by them to even know he was Mandalorian. As well as I find it difficult to believe that Tarre's parent(s) would allow him to be taken "by the enemy". Even if somehow the Jedi had peacefully convinced Tarre's parents to let him go with them, the Jedi wouldn't have attachments

[@jacobdrolet4262]

Amazing

[@princeofpokemon2934]

Given just how awful the Mandalorian people were and the countless war crimes they have committed during their entire existence and when they went to war with the republic, it would be unsurprising if that's the reason the force rejects the Mandalorian people. They've done so much bad stuff that the force itself rejects them because of that. But that's just my opinion

[@deanfirnatine7814]

Sounds like a reasonable explanation.

[@And0vk]

I want to see not mastering the Force but having some control or force ability like the psychometry or something

[@mattoly343]

Mandalorians are not a Species they're a Credd, a culture.

[@chromxrobinandcorrinxcamil9031]

Me who gave all my companions force sensitivity in Kotor 2: 🫥

[@yugioht42]

I don’t really think Sabine is actually force sensitive just she’s more aware of it due to her time on the ship with Kanan and Ezra. Her scenes are more akin to basic sword fighting techniques as she cannot actually use the force in any capacity. Ahsoka is likely teaching her how to use a lightsaber as another weapon in case she is unable to use anything else. If Sabine is pushed she often defaults to her mandolorian armor or her guns or whatever tech she has on her. Learning simple sword skills is quite common even in the real world as many Japanese learn a hand to hand combat style but often bolster it with some early Kendo or other weapon skill as a backup just in case.

[@Gundam4]

That better be all that is

[@Mandalorian.Legacy]

Everyone in star wars is force sensitive

[@pop-culturecinephile8144]

What about Revan?

[@StrikeFreedomSlifer]

What about Revan well she's not a descendant thank goodness

[@pop-culturecinephile8144]

@@StrikeFreedomSlifer, he’s a Mandalorian, why didn’t the Force reject him?

[@darthstoned]

Have you forgotten that the Original Mandalorians where not human, but of another species.

[@silverpc4611]

Why was there not any force sensitive children on Mandalor? Like the younglings or Ashoka.

[@ClanLykos005]

We need a Tarre Vizsla tv show

[@joshuahenderson3444]

Sabine is just too rebellious to be a Jedi plus she has sum “weird” attachment to Ezra and it wouldn’t make sense for her to just wield the force right away w/ out years of training, there shouldn’t be no need to make her force sensitive she’s already a cool character as a mandalorian

[@requiem_1117]

Makes sense? sensitivity seems to be genetic. Would make sense that a race that tends to stay secluded and has values that differ from jedi/ sith. Outside high midichlorian count genes would obvi not be integrated to their society.

[@Odinfang]

Kind of makes you wonder why Visla’s tribe didn’t learn from the force through him. If he’d just explained his understanding of the force as a mando to his people, outside of showing the dark saber, they wouldn’t be so lost when it comes to matters of the force.

[@catbucket8566]

Id imagine it would be like showing a modern light bulb to a 15th century European peasant. No matter how mu h you explain how it works and how to do it, it’s still going to look scary to people who haven’t really ever known of it

[@Odinfang]

@@catbucket8566 I mean that comparison makes sense with force push and force alchemy, but nothing like force speed or strength augmentation, the more physical uses of the force that can be quantified to a degree. They could explain to fellow mandos what they felt before moving that fast or holding more weight than normal.

[@Eric-xs7ks]

They all are force sensitive, but they’re Mandolarians not Jedi

[@silenthill4]

The living waters attack midochlorians

[@TheRevan1337]

It doesn't. Mandalorians reject the Force.

[@oliverforrest4488]

Such awesome potential that will happen in Ahsoka.

[@JackSutterEtc]

😂😂😂😂

[@jaymontecalvo6315]

Publicity power governs our universe

[@zombiebullshark3834]

Weren't the mandalorians part of the republic? So wouldn't their children be subject to the medacorian test and be found early like everyone else in the republic?

[@shaunhaas4784]

No they were not part of the republic

[@NoidoDev]

Ahsoka and it's characters are not worth talking about. There will be a rift in the canon sooner or later. Most of Disney Star Wars will not be part of the new one.

[@mkb4560]

Um because the mandolorian don't have the ability to use the force like 90% of the universe

[@sammorgan9054]

This video made me mad cause u totally left out mandalore grogu

[@birdosrus]

kreia was correct

[@KippinCollars]

She'd be cool if she was just a "barely Jedi".

[@surfntrucks]

I'm ready for the next episode of Ahsoka. It's the only show worth watching right now in my opinion.

[@user-ed6pt4pe4n]

4 seasons of rebels. Plenty of battles and training and not a single time has she shown any ability to use the force at all. What disney is doing in ahsoka doesn't make sense and goes against everything we have learned from star wars since the beginning. Being able to use the force like a jedi/sith will not happen if u train really really hard. It doesn't work like that. Yes the force is in all people BUT the ability to use it consistently at will and effectively, is not in all people. U would think that Dave filoni and his people would understand this but as usual, the people making star wars today have no idea what star wars is actually about. Go make something else if u r unwilling to follow the lore and history of what came before u...

[@derekfreeman1942]

Did you just say Grogu? Grogu is not a real Mandalorian. Mandalorians actually use to be their own Race not everyone was Mandalorian like they are in these stupid shows.

[@mr.boomguy]

Personally, I would be fine with Sabine never being force sensitive at all, just with years of training and discipline, she can gain traits that resemble that of a force sensitive

[@philmorton4590]

Absolutely not, you are either force sensitive or your not, there is no try!

[@blakec8549]

Jedi training is more about conditioning your mind than it is about practicing space magic. A Jedi is a knight that lives by a code. Telekinesis isn't necessary.

[@snakeman830]

This is my view. There's more to being a jedi than just raw talent in the force, and I think that's the path Filoni is trying to take with the show. Sabine may not ever use the force to move things around, but I do think she will be open to the principles of the light side.

[@viscourtroy]

Not strong in objects control at the first start but in the deep sense, I think...

[@dpt17]

Interesting ideas here. Thinking back to IV, it was Obi-Wan saying to Luke "Reach out with your feelings" that awakened Luke. Similarly, in Kotor II, you can train your companions as Jedi but only if you help them let go of their burdens and open their minds.

[@hpgildwel]

It comes down to this: - Jedi surrender to the force in order to join its will - Mandalorians don't surrender to anything.

[@Aernath]

Such a great catch to emphasize the point of artistic influence and how Sabine is an artist with a free spirit. Great video, all agreed.

[@ChristianThePagan]

If narrow-minded dogma made you blind to the force most of the Jedi order should have been blind to the force.

[@agresticumbra]

Perhaps they were partially blinded.

[@TheProswagonist]

The thing with Jedi was that at least children could learn they were force sensitive before actually becoming jedi and being exposed to their dogma. And even if their practices were dogmatic, it was in a way MEANT to unlock one's sensitivity to the force, while mandalorian dogma goes against that.

[@Gigawood]

He addressed this 4 min in

[@ChristianThePagan]

@@GigawoodHe tried to rationalise this contradiction 4 min in.

[@danielhaire6677]

I think it's not the Force that rejects the Mandalorians, but the Jedi. Between the lack of detachments espoused in the Jedi Code created by Odan Urr, and the history of conflicts between the two groups, I think the majority of Jedi don't think much of Mando'ade and refuse to train them properly, if at all.

[@shaunhaas4784]

And why would they want to for thousands of the mandalorians were basically sith without powers only wanting to conquer and rule

[@XgoodbyeX]

​​@@shaunhaas4784sort of not all mandolorians wanted war but it was a constant power struggle since the strongest always ruled over the weak it didn't help that mandolor didn't choose a side in the clone war which made them a target

[@Nemo-Nihil]

​@@XgoodbyeX Mandalore remaining neutral was solely on Satine. In Legends at least (and I still think this would hold true in New Canon), many Mandalorians sided with the CIS and actually fought for the CIS as hired guns. Kal Skirata even admits that if he didn't have the Nulls (and the GAR's complete inability to control them without Skirata) he would have sided with the CIS.

[@JohnJo-qn7wq]

​@@Nemo-NihilCIS was that?

[@scoobydoo5917]

Grogu was a Jedi first then he chose to become a Mandalorian himself where Sabine Wren is a Mandalorian first so this to me means that thou Ashoka's training her senses will be heightened to b able to react say quicker than other Mandalorian warriors .. Ashoka first asked Sabine to b more aware of her surroundings and not b quick to respond another words focus on the moment and ❤ your perspective on this subject mate..

[@starfleethastanks]

Let's get to the real question, how will Ahsoka react when she learns that Thrawn has been hiding out and posing as the Barber on the Enterprise D?

[@Sharmel80]

Lol

[@jmgerraughty]

I think this point of Sabine not being very force sensitive has the potential to be good, because most of SW has been stories of only-the-most-powerful, only-the-greatest force users. I'd personally like to see Sabine find her own way to overcome Hati/Skoll, and show us that you can be a hero in this universe without having special parents, or the highest power level.

[@UnifiedEntity]

We got that with Han, Clones like Rex, Chewy, Leia, the rebels who actively fought and held back the Empire, the little forest fuckers even (i dont mean that out of spite) , and even droids like R2D2.

[@deanfirnatine7814]

Become one of the greatest swordsmen in the galaxy with that light saber

[@Xyma-YT]

"power level" ?!! This ain't Dragon ball Z...

[@jmgerraughty]

@@Xyma-YT you’re gonna tell me that midichlorian count isn’t just another term for power level?

[@jmgerraughty]

@@UnifiedEntity that’s a good point

[@wickdaline8668]

They're really foreshadowing Sabine's force sensitivity whether we like it or not, aren't they?

[@Gundam4]

Sadly it looks that way

[@Allmenshouldrespectallwomen]

Quit crying about it. Your purposely trying to ruin the show for others. It’s not the show runners fault

[@ThirdEye-47]

the true issue with the show is kathleens influence on it and dave filonis submissiveness, ezra should be here helping sabine train, we need the whole ghost crew not just chopper and the girls, this video explained very logically why most mandos wouldnt even know if they are force sensitive. i think without kathleens iinfluence we couldve easily seen sabine training like how she is anyway. honestly it seemed weird to me at first but it is true to georges definition of what it means to be force sensitive.

[@Allmenshouldrespectallwomen]

@@ThirdEye-47 I was waiting for this misogynist comment. You are so hateful. Just because they are not all white guys does not mean the show us bad. You must hate your mother by the way you talk

[@Allmenshouldrespectallwomen]

@@ThirdEye-47 Ezra does not need to help her train that’s very insulting to the sisterhood her and Ashoka are building

[@joesalyers]

It did show in the Jedi in the prequels when Windu says to Yoda that they need to inform the Senate that their ability to use the force has diminished. Their ability to sense the danger within Palpatine was so diminished that Palpatine could walk around the Jedi Temple and NOT 1 Jedi could feel he was a Sith!!

[@richardpage5812]

If that's the case how come Tenabris was so powerful when he was narrow minded thinking that the Force is about science?

[@JetsBauer]

I hate it that she is possibly force sensitive

[@Fuzzmo147]

She won’t be……. Much, but I’m loving how she’s the polar opposite of master Rey 👌🏼

[@Ennuigo423]

They are also literally opposite in terms of attachment. Jedi: Practices a mindset of “non-attachment”. They take younglings FROM their families so they don’t develop attachments that will compromise their training. Mandalorian: Stresses the importance of attachment to your community. They take IN foundlings who have lost their families so that they can still build strong attachments to their clan.

[@Lanwarder]

Since Mandalorian aren't an actual "race" and hasn't been for a long time, one would assume that it's a matter of Mandalorian culture and what we know already points in that direction. Whether it's Kanan talking about training Sabine, or Ahsoka training Sabine, they seem to mention that her Mandalorian character traits make it extremely difficult for her to find the necessary peace and balance to connect with the force. If Grogu had been raised like Sabine for the first 50 years of his life, we probably wouldn't think that he is as powerful as he is.

[@kegger3152]

This take doesn't take into account dark side users at all, who definitely don't find peace and balance but can still connect to the force.

[@Lanwarder]

@@kegger3152 Peace no, balance? I'd say yes. They master the force, they accept and use their pain and anger. Think about how Snoke talks to Kylo about how unbalanced he is ever since he killed Han Solo. I'm not saying that being balanced means being equally dark and light side and I don't think that it is what it means for Jedi nor for Sith. As far as other force users are concerned we don't really know too much about them (in canon) at this point.

[@gerardocovarrubias-b5x]

Mandalorian it’s not a race it’s a creed that’s why Grogu will be the next Jedi/Mandalorian like Tare vizla put more powerful

[@Gundam4]

At least that would make sense,

[@gerardocovarrubias-b5x]

@@Gundam4 makes sense is the truth

[@Gundam4]

​@@gerardocovarrubias-b5x correct me if I'm wrong wasn't Grogu technically adopted and he's strong with the force

[@gerardocovarrubias-b5x]

@@Gundam4 listen we all know that yoda and yaddel are the parents of grogu that’s a fact

[@hugoq4335]

@@Gundam4 Yeah it would not count for Grogu since he's already a Jedi by birth, it would be a difficult task for a Mandalorian by birth like Sabine to become a Jedi which makes for good character development in the show hopefully they don't mess that up by making it easy for Sabine really quick.

[@AzAlexzZ]

Good points in the video but this title question is a bad question on a fundamental level The force is literally what makes stuff alive in the Star Wars universe, How the fk can it reject anyone????? Ahsoka literally said that everyone HAS the force inside them (she didn't say this but we know the Yuuzhan Vong are an exception), it's just that not everyone can USE the force the way Force-sensitive people can

[@JackSutterEtc]

🎯

[@connorputnam]

So what you're saying is that since the force flows through ALL living things, only a select few can ever be taught its ways, much less fully aware of its connection to themselves and being fully open of the concept of the force itself or even having an aptitude for the force in general. This is why not everyone in Star Wars can exactly use the force, right? Cause for one to connect with the force, they have to be aware of its existence and properties that come from both light and dark, ashla and bugan, in order to utilize its abilities. Ever since I was introduced to the topic of how kanan was training sabine on how to connect with the force and the darksaber despite being non force sensitive, it's been making me wonder why that was the case for a long time. But I'm glad I now understand how the force can really manifest in the people of Star Wars, not just through aptitude alone but through mindsets and overall awareness of the force itself. And I have you to thank for that.

[@Mystic_Gaming0128]

This makes me think of dbz and how goku and vegeta are prodigys and being around whis and training with him they absorbed the god ki from being around literal gods ......do u thibk that sabine and din jarin have this ability to absorb the force from being around force beings it could be a trait only from mandlorians only

[@brianegendorf2023]

I feel like Mandaloreans and Vulkans have the same issue. The Vulkans try to stifle their emotions..but I believe this is an over correction. They have really hot tempers that they have trouble controlling. Logic just became a focus point to drown out their tempers. But they equated that as their emotions. I think Mandalorean blood also runs similarly. They are extremely hot tempered, and anything that isn't what they want it be right now, tends to frustrate them and piss them off. And as such, they have a hard time focusing on spirituality and thus "The Force".

[@DeathScepter]

The Vulcans from star trek developed a culture of self control and logic because much like humans and klingons of old. they were hyper violent assholes that would make excellent Sith Marauders and they almost self destruct because of their out of control nature. So they have to keep themselves in check at all times.

[@seanmorgan2356]

I am one with The Force and The Force is with me.

[@granatmof]

The Mandalorians are a culture, not a species. The original species in legends died out millenia ago. The depiction of Mandalorians as yet a different human culture undermines one of the coolest concepts in Star Wars: Culture beyond species. The Force doesn't reject Mandalorians, the Mandalorians reject the Force. They see the skills of the Jedi and consider them tricks unbefitting "true warriors". That's also how they react to other warrior cultures like the Echani who are among the best melee fighting in the galaxy, because Mandalorians are brutal losers. Few Mandalorians open themselves up to learning to use the Force, because it really requires a bit of surrender. Besides the weilder of the Dark Saber, off the top of my head in Legends I can only think of one Mandalorian who demonstrated Force Sensitivity: Demagol, the Zeltron scientific advisor to Mandalore the Ultimate. His force powers have a short lifetime however and are instrumental to his death.

[@tamarkad5874]

I really love that Sabine finally allowed herself to open to the Force. I think she may find that she does better in highly emotional settings, whether they be during battle or just when shes feeling anxious. Ahsoka will be able, over time, to help her gain some control over her sensitivity. I dont think she will ever have the control of someone like Luke.

[@jonathancharron7360]

With enough training and focus she can.

[@ponyman13]

I think it is likely that mandalorians are on the opposite end of the spectrum from jedi. Jedi put faith, and intuition in a greater power. A jedi must surrender their own ego and feel the force. Mandalorians are complete masters of their senses. Mandalorians are constantly focused and using their own senses and instinct. A Mandalorian to surrender control of their own senses works against their training

[@markuhler2664]

This is an outstanding exclamation of the history of the Mandalores but also ties into what Kenobi had said in the first movie before Lucas had really established the rules of the universe. Not sure if this is canon but you came up with some great reasoning.

[@tycane8779]

Leah noticed it in Empire Strikes Back when she sensed Luke was in trouble on Bespin

[@MrShinoTheBugman]

I keep seeing people say obi was weak in the force in the comments. Where are you getting that from? yeah he wasn't Yoda or Anakin level in terms of raw power, but he was by no means just some dude. Qui gon called him gifted and wise. and I'm fairly certain many jedi said he was strong in the force. there's a far cry from him to someone who has little to no sensitivity to the force like sabine or han for example. (at least in my opinion. )

[@scoobydoo5917]

Qiu Gon found him at a Jedi farm he was 19 at the time I think 🤔 it's in a comic book (star wars) of course which one I can't remember thou? Google it and find out....

[@Moqqot]

No reason and no evidence. Mandalorians are trained warriors which makes me wonder why Sabine has no real muscles showing. The quotes in Ashoka regarding Jedi are placed by someone who has no real knowledge about how one has powers or not. Such a bad choice in order to change the truth.

[@JackSutterEtc]

🎯 I thought she looked like a ten-year-old boy the whole time they were doing that training scene 😂👌

[@josermaiz]

Well grogu is the next tar vizla

[@JeffDeanTheDeanZone]

There were other Mandalorian Jedi after Tarre Vizla. If this were not true he could not be called "the first Mandalorian Jedi" over and over again, he would be called "the only Mandalorian Jedi." Just because they have never introduced any other Mandalorian Jedi into the story line doesn't mean there were not. This is sophistry. There's been plenty of Mandalorians who were force users. I think you're forgetting about Jango Fett completely.

[@alexbraswell2955]

I think they are opening a door full of trouble if they give Sabine force powers… sure we’ve seen several who had no idea of their abilities until properly guided but even then they say they knew there was something special. I would feel better about Din Djarin having force abilities bc we don’t know his parents at all so that could make sense. There’s only been one Jedi/Mandalorian in history so if they give Sabine powers then fans are gonna start begging for every character to have them

[@jamesbrigham1299]

When we rid ourselves of the Disney Stars Wars nonsense(canon). It always goes by to the midichlorians.The Darth Plagueis novelization explains all of this and explains why not just anyone can use the Force. It is the concentration of these symbiotic organisms that allow a being to use the Force. And still, you must be trained to access them fully. The Force resides in all things. If a Mandalorian did possess enough, it would be used to augment their combat abilities. Similar to Dez (Darth Bane) when he was with the Gloom walkers. Making Sabine Force-sensitive now would just be a plot device, when she showed no abilities of this in Rebels.

[@herooflight7931]

Indeed

[@nathansstuff1547]

You're calling it Disney Star Wars nonsense when it's following what George Lucas has said on the force.

[@draconianemanations2785]

@@nathansstuff1547 no, it's NOT. 😜

[@nathansstuff1547]

@@draconianemanations2785 Literally something he talked about in 1981. Kasdan: The Force was available to anyone who could hook into it? Lucas: Yes, everybody can do it. Kasdan: Not just the Jedi? Lucas: It’s just the Jedi who take the time to do it. Marquand: They use it as a technique. Lucas: Like yoga. If you want to take the time to do it, you can do it; but the ones that really want to do it are the ones who are into that kind of thing. Also like karate.

[@draconianemanations2785]

@@nathansstuff1547 😂 right, just ignore the several decades of established *lore that came after he said that. You do realize George was the one who came up with midiclorians, right...? 😜

[@benpezzot8805]

Mira could be a jedi from kotor 2

[@Jesse12489]

It's already been explained that anybody strong in the force has the higher chance to be a force weirder. Why put the effort into people who are not strong in the force? The force is in in everybody but some are stronger than others. Yes a person not strong the horse could possibly welded through a lot of training but again why would the Jedi Order put effort into one not so strong?

[@chrisdavey8471]

The force doesn’t reject mandalorians. Some races have a higher affinity to the force, but the mandalorians aren’t a race they are more of a culture/religion. Use grogu for example, he had and used the force and then later on became a mandalorian

[@huathai8204]

Why the fans reject Star Woke and Woke Disney co.😅

[@killsmaster54cz]

I would agree with you and you could explain these reasons beautifully in the old republic era, for myself I think that it is simply the way it should be, that if there are Sith and Jedi, I also think that the Mandalorians should be the third faction that has it all to balance so that one faction does not outgrow the power itself as the Sith have done many times. as I say, the old republic era could explain this beautifully.