Why The Jump Cut Is Here To Stay

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@Moscato_Moscato
@Moscato_Moscato 7 жыл бұрын
I want every KZbinr to replace jump cuts with star wipes
@colormetwisted
@colormetwisted 7 жыл бұрын
bring on the George Lucas age of youtube editing
@djmips
@djmips 7 жыл бұрын
Why not re-edit some popular VSauce video with star wipes. ;-)
@RyanMcKayOfficial
@RyanMcKayOfficial 7 жыл бұрын
Deebo Molina a
@afrosymphony8207
@afrosymphony8207 7 жыл бұрын
looool not if you aint saul goodman!
@RatelHBadger
@RatelHBadger 7 жыл бұрын
Deebo Molina Homer: And star wipe to the next scene Lisa: Dad, there are other kinds of wipes, you don't have to only use the Star Wipe Homer: Aaaaaand StarWipe and we're done!
@ContraPoints
@ContraPoints 7 жыл бұрын
I came here to have my jump cuts validated and was not disappointed.
@ContraPoints
@ContraPoints 7 жыл бұрын
I should probably start recording every video twice though for the zoom in parts. That part was not validating but you are correct.
@PugOfDoom
@PugOfDoom 7 жыл бұрын
CONTRA I DIDN'T EXPECT TO SEE YOU HERE BUT HEY I LOVE YOU PLEASE STAY AMAZING
@CrudusViscus
@CrudusViscus 7 жыл бұрын
Nataaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
@clarasomethingelse8903
@clarasomethingelse8903 7 жыл бұрын
PugOfDoom Same here HAHAHA Omg.
@GreatGodSajuuk
@GreatGodSajuuk 7 жыл бұрын
I somehow knew I'd find your comment here.
@Tuckerscreator
@Tuckerscreator 7 жыл бұрын
Practical reasons for the jumpcut: A. Budget B. Framing C. Being attacked by ninjas during takes and cutting them all out so the vlog won't just be a series of thrilling fight scenes.
@alex_roivas333
@alex_roivas333 7 жыл бұрын
yeah, thrilling fight scenes are lame! XD
@Lukis687
@Lukis687 7 жыл бұрын
That doesn't negate the positive qualities of the jump cut. It seems to be a style that comes from people on YT making videos solely on their own with a stationary camera for ease of use, that's not inherently bad though and from it has come the popularity of a style which has many good aspects. Necessity is the mother of invention and all that jazz.
@AbsurdAsparagus
@AbsurdAsparagus 7 жыл бұрын
the ability to hide your difficulty with speaking for a long time without making mistakes.
@PogoQmcmi
@PogoQmcmi 6 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the futuristic late 80's TV series Max Headroom. Commercials were reduced to something called "blipverts". It was a method of cramming hundreds of micro-second ads into a 30-second block. The viewer's brain would subliminally absorb the uber-short commercials, but their brain activity would spike through the roof until, in one case, a viewer's head literally (and yes, I mean LITERALLY) exploded. The first episode dealt with the network brass's attempts to cover up the fact that their "innovative" form of advertising (from which of course they were making a mint) managed to splatter someone's brain matter all over the wall. Now here we are, attempting to stimulate already overactive brains for profit. Sometimes science fiction can be eerily telling.
@faolan1686
@faolan1686 6 жыл бұрын
But leave one fight in for the ending.
@TheGreatWar
@TheGreatWar 7 жыл бұрын
We made the conscious choice to not have jump cuts in our main formats to underline the weight of the topic we are discussing. However, in our format "Out Of The Trenches" which is about the interaction with the community and the familiarity, we use jump cuts. (Though that was also a production pragmatic choice in parts because it saves resources in editing and for third party rights).
@FoldingIdeas
@FoldingIdeas 7 жыл бұрын
It was definitely the right choice for The Great War, the formality serves the subject well. You're all doing a fantastic job, by the way. I keep going back to re-watch the episode on service animals and choke up every time.
@TheGreatWar
@TheGreatWar 7 жыл бұрын
It's interesting, that's the episode most people write in that it moves them this much. Glad you like the show, you are doing a good job here too. Keep it up.
@joshuamackey3040
@joshuamackey3040 6 жыл бұрын
@@TheGreatWar I did NOT expect to see the Great War team here!
@ungulatemanalpha
@ungulatemanalpha 7 жыл бұрын
jump cuts: the paragraph break of the visual medium
@AmaranthOriginal
@AmaranthOriginal 7 жыл бұрын
Paragraphs are for people who can't write!
@paxcallow
@paxcallow 7 жыл бұрын
mmmm, i love my novels in one big chunk without breaks, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
@AmaranthOriginal
@AmaranthOriginal 7 жыл бұрын
I was just having fun with the way people tear apart editing techniques by doing it to the given example.
@AcolytesOfHorror
@AcolytesOfHorror 6 жыл бұрын
wow this is actually an amazing comparison
@jjfjeff
@jjfjeff 5 жыл бұрын
Paragraphs incorporate transition. So no not a good anaology
@rensawyer5623
@rensawyer5623 3 жыл бұрын
As someone that used to get made fun of for “talking with their hands” I get weirdly happy seeing him use his hands almost the whole time! I think hand movements while talking give a VISUAL beat to clarify where he wants to emphasize. I think it goes perfectly along with his point of reading lips.
@gauthiervieira9135
@gauthiervieira9135 11 ай бұрын
Coming back to this, 6years later, in the background of a cooking session is really something. Your points are valid as ever. I'm a bit perplexed at how the general technical requirement of operating a small youtube has sky rocketed in the past years. Everyone is now supposed to have basically pro audio, pro lighting, prosumer cameras handling 10-bit log. People hide their jumpcuts by cutting away to 4K HDR Drone Broll and are expected to grade like pros, youtube has become an entire industry with companies solely working for the companies working the guys who operate some big channels. It's... Something. I don't know if I dislike this in specific, or just the general aspect of youtube nowadays, with an actually pretty high price entry, probably higher than ever.
@gendergoo1312
@gendergoo1312 7 жыл бұрын
I don't mind it at all. I just think I, like probably most, hate it when it's done ad nauseum in quick succession for one or two words at a time. When people stitch together fragments to just form a sentence, we can all agree that's just painfully bad.
@GTV-Japan
@GTV-Japan 7 жыл бұрын
I was a Tv director in 2005 the same year KZbin started. And I swear if a jump cut ever made it on air, you were seriously reprimanded and if you did it again, fired!
@chytstorm
@chytstorm 5 жыл бұрын
I believe a public flogging would sometimes fall in between those events.
@michaelg3074
@michaelg3074 3 жыл бұрын
Same here.
@collin6691
@collin6691 7 жыл бұрын
I'm enjoying the more frequent uploads by folding ideas
@lacroixboix
@lacroixboix 7 жыл бұрын
Collin Horn Yea, I get disappointed when it's just a stream bc these scripted vids are so solid
@marksmod
@marksmod 7 жыл бұрын
peanuts
@fcarvajalbrown
@fcarvajalbrown 7 жыл бұрын
Collin Horn *snaps fingers* yes
@IAmBrownThunderOfficial
@IAmBrownThunderOfficial 7 жыл бұрын
"Frequent"
@hewhoscratchedthechaiselon6757
@hewhoscratchedthechaiselon6757 7 жыл бұрын
My man!
@TheJaredtheJaredlong
@TheJaredtheJaredlong 7 жыл бұрын
Since you bring it, you really do have a noticeably crisp quality to your productions. I've always appreciated that you've strived for the elegance of being simple: not because it's easy, but because it is good. Keep doing what you're doing, you deserve all the success you get.
@firewordsparkler
@firewordsparkler 7 жыл бұрын
The ease of learning jump cuts is part of what makes youtube so accessible to so many creators. Since it's one of the basic style elements of a youtube video and so simple to do, fans feel like they can create their own content because creators appear more DIY. It's one of the reasons why I feel like I can never be a filmmaker, but I decided to make youtube videos in back in high school.
@50Acres
@50Acres 6 жыл бұрын
Love your videos! They have taken my editing game all the way from "horrible" to "horrible but self aware"!
@WyattAugustyniak
@WyattAugustyniak 7 жыл бұрын
The way you light, edit, and color-correct(?) videos is subtly unique and stylish in comparison to other KZbinrs. Can you explain how you established your style of presentation, and perhaps why/if establishing a unique visual style is important?
@DeusAequus
@DeusAequus 7 жыл бұрын
He explained a lot of it in a big twitter thread a while back while he was attending some presentation about good techniques during vidcon. I would look it up but I think a key one is he stands a decent distance away from the wall backdrop. anyways look up his twitter and go back a few weeks.
@WyattAugustyniak
@WyattAugustyniak 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@FoldingIdeas
@FoldingIdeas 7 жыл бұрын
I don't know if I have a great and satisfying answer to that first question because I feel like I'm just barely reaching a point where my style is "established." I've definitely settled a few things vis a vis the overall structure and the means of presentation, but visually things have always been in flux, changing regularly with my own personal interests at the time. For a while it was all cloth backdrops, then it was the flat wall with mixed lighting, and now it's all about playing with grading and LUTs. KZbin, for me, started in part as a way to experiment with style and technique in a way that I can't with my regular paying production work. I'll no doubt be making more and more tweaks as time goes on.
@WyattAugustyniak
@WyattAugustyniak 7 жыл бұрын
Folding Ideas First, thanks for taking the time to respond! I understand what you mean when you say you have yet to fully establish a specific visual style, but I can see the building blocks coming together (though they are difficult to pin down). I think your use of soft colors, the frequency with which you vary your position in the frame (on the "stage" as you describe it in this video), and the crisp, clear visual and audio quality of your videos eases me in (with the soft color palette), keeps me engaged (with the varying positions at which you stand), and lends credibility to your opinions (since the visual and audio quality are clearly a product of experienced filmmaking). Sorry for the run-on sentence. In summary, your videos (to me at least) ride a line between humble (even relatable) amateur videography and highly- prepared "professional" video, reaping the benefits of both. Keep up the great work! Whether you continue to hone in on a single style, or run wild with experimentation (for which, as you said, KZbin is a great testing ground), I will be watching. One last thing... Do you mind sharing the work you do outside of KZbin? Thanks again!
@FoldingIdeas
@FoldingIdeas 7 жыл бұрын
The work I do outside of KZbin falls into four categories: really cool stuff I can't talk about because of NDAs, really cool stuff (like indie films) I talk about all the time on Twitter, really boring corporate stuff that I occasionally post on Twitter, and really boring stuff I can't talk about because of NDAs. For years the bulk of my work off-KZbin has been in that last category. Not only is it stuff I can't share, because it'll be things like vendor training for proprietary technology, but you'd find it absurdly boring. For example one that I can talk about was a 20 minute presentation on the heavy load corridor weight limit and a pilot project to move a three stage, 24 axle load (as opposed to a regular two stage 12 axle load) from Calgary to Fort McMurray which was successful opening the way for future projects examining the structural soundness of the corridor potentially allowing for the total weight limit for the corridor to be raised while leaving the weight-per-tire limit the same. Thrilling, I know.
@starsINSPACE
@starsINSPACE 7 жыл бұрын
I love the term visual punctuation; whenever it is used it just makes me happy. :)
@nuzzbentley1869
@nuzzbentley1869 7 жыл бұрын
tfw Hank Green replies in the comments and ya gotta make a second vid ;)
@vlogbrothers
@vlogbrothers 7 жыл бұрын
If I do it again will he keep making new videos more regularly? Because I love it.
@Drilling4mana
@Drilling4mana 7 жыл бұрын
It's like a lightning rod in here.
@architbagul120
@architbagul120 7 жыл бұрын
Well that happened
@jk7832
@jk7832 7 жыл бұрын
holy cow he did it again
@johndavenport2847
@johndavenport2847 7 жыл бұрын
yes please
@JaySwanson
@JaySwanson 7 жыл бұрын
I LOVE your insight and understanding of filmmaking as a whole. This is my first time commenting on one of your videos, but I really love listening to you go in depth on editing and storytelling in general. I also really enjoy being able to see you more than your robot counterpart (as awesome as it is) - whether that's because of the lip reading or not, it gets your personality across so much better. Thank you for all of the work you put in to your videos.
@AnthonyNelsonPhoto
@AnthonyNelsonPhoto 7 жыл бұрын
As somebody who's been a user of the internet pre-KZbin and using KZbin basically since its inception, I've grown very used to the snappy editing style that the jump cut offers creators. I enjoy the shorter video play time because it forces creators to become creative. As with most creative restrictions I feel like the shorter run length would force creators to make decisions that could improve the quality of their work. This means making sure there is no dead time in the videos or choosing scenes for videos that are more relevant to the overall narrative. also, man, I miss the huge animation presence that KZbin used to have. Everything from stop motion brick films to painstakingly hand drawn animations. Yes, most of the examples you could probably find weren't great, but the creativity of a lot of early KZbin films was so cool.
@Tuckerscreator
@Tuckerscreator 7 жыл бұрын
As someone who used to do a lot of stop-motion (right there in my profile pic), I miss it too. Largely it's because stop-motion and hand drawn animation take a really long time but YT doesn't pay creators as much as it used to per ad. That said, I think there's still a sizable animation niche, via SFM computer animation, but the drawback is that there's rarely original properties filmed through it because nearly all the models are video game character scans.
@louisalectube
@louisalectube 7 жыл бұрын
Theodd1sout and JadenAnimations have blown up in the past year or 2 alone. They're cartooners. Theodd1sout is basically responsible for a mini-explosion of well-meaning copycats.
@jaysea5939
@jaysea5939 7 жыл бұрын
As I understand it, KZbin has started to prioritize longer and more frequent uploads, which cuts out a lot of the animation channels.
@krillissue
@krillissue 6 жыл бұрын
is there another outlet where these animation channels are going to, then?
@boiledelephant
@boiledelephant 6 жыл бұрын
Does that very early 'Lion King' sketch narration count? Because that's still the best thing on youtube.
@fizzyinsanity
@fizzyinsanity 7 жыл бұрын
the opening to this vid is maybe the only time ive heard your canadian accent. its SO strong in those first two lines
@tiawilliams5690
@tiawilliams5690 7 жыл бұрын
I was just wondering if he was Canadian.
@edienandy
@edienandy 4 жыл бұрын
Soary
@EricLS
@EricLS 2 жыл бұрын
You referencing Zefrank et al made me realize why the jump cut never bothered me: I've always known it. Also, I am ADHD and non-sequitur nonsense funny video edits, utilizing democratized non-linear editing programs at the turn of the century was how I grew up, so it's all natural to me. Monologuing to the camera as a one person crew all but demands the jump cut.
@lindasiltakoski4900
@lindasiltakoski4900 7 жыл бұрын
That tonal consistency across the field demonstration jump cuts though. I have no idea how much footage revision it must have taken, but I appreciate the extra effort, and I absolutely love this trend where you make the video itself a demonstration of the principles you're talking about. That's some clever editing and clever scripting right there. Absolutely delightful.
@icedragon769
@icedragon769 7 жыл бұрын
The "manic deliveray of that bit at the end" was extremely evocative of John Green's travel vlogs, good job :) I wonder what Tom Scott thinks of this, he complains about jump cuts all the time.
@RGVZGM
@RGVZGM 7 жыл бұрын
At one point I thought you said "junk cut". I think that would be a good name for the edits in Suicide Squad.
@threebirdsinatrenchcoat
@threebirdsinatrenchcoat 3 жыл бұрын
Alternative suggestion: junk cuts are quick and useless uses of jump cuts, to the point where the sentences are being cropped and the whole thing becomes an eyesore
@Alkimodon
@Alkimodon 7 жыл бұрын
I may not always be aware of all the cinematic tricks you do but I do appreciate the extra effort.
@Fionor01
@Fionor01 7 жыл бұрын
As news video editor I kind of have to hate jump-cuts. In my job it's major mistake - unless it's used to deliver special message (and usually that's something we try to avoid outside stand-ups), bust when I'm watching vlogs (of any kind) it doesn't boother me. I recognize its value for narrative purposes and fully understand need of it in spite of delivering video faster (as you said in previous video), So, basically, thank you for doing this. As a professional in specific branch of video editing I'm always happy to learn something new from outside of my reach.
@amieridley1150
@amieridley1150 2 жыл бұрын
A massive thank you for the amount of time you must have spent balancing the audio on this!
@TheVGC
@TheVGC 7 жыл бұрын
Also film with a 4K camera and edited in a 1080p sequence so you can zoom in and out without losing any frame quality.
@jamiepandaman
@jamiepandaman 6 жыл бұрын
I am someone who works in regional theatre, so I come to these kinds of channels because the content about the meaning/message/etc. of films relates to my work, and the content about the format of film still interests me, even if it is not strictly in my field. I watched your other two videos as you recommended, and I think out of ignorance I would've previously said jump cut refer to any straight cut, as you define them in the "Basic Cuts" video. Any way, I enjoy your stuff! Keep up the good work!
@hamonteiro
@hamonteiro 7 жыл бұрын
Listening to people talk about their passions is my favorite thing. I have little interest on editing and what not, but I can't stop binging on you. You're a great talker.
@claytongrange2137
@claytongrange2137 7 жыл бұрын
You're not jump-cutting mid-sentence enough, LOL
@emctwoo
@emctwoo Жыл бұрын
I appreciate how moving around the frame shows how finely tuned the lighting is.
@chicoarraes
@chicoarraes 7 жыл бұрын
in the future its all gonna be jump cuts on vertical videos all the time.. and by future I mean next tuesday.
@nishanoire
@nishanoire 6 жыл бұрын
I actually heard a defense of vertical video once....I won't repeat it here.
@JesseFred
@JesseFred 5 ай бұрын
Oh boy, you guys. HAVE I GOT NEWS FOR YOU!
@fuzzytheduck
@fuzzytheduck 3 жыл бұрын
I had no concept that jump cuts were some thing to be avoided before this video, or rather that they were viewed as such.
@ClarkKentsRockandRollRevue
@ClarkKentsRockandRollRevue 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for validating my style at the end of your video. It means a lot that someone who espouses the merits of the jump cut will simultaneously advocated the single camera/continuous shot technique which is common to my reviews/interviews/music videos and live gig treatments. Rock on dude x
@turtle4llama
@turtle4llama 5 жыл бұрын
Jump cuts are commas. Nothing flashy, but a powerhouse of visual grammar.
@mozata6838
@mozata6838 7 жыл бұрын
Jesus christ those outdoor jump cuts were good
@CookieCryptid
@CookieCryptid 7 жыл бұрын
And adding what he just said about filming at least twice to change things... Realizing how much effort and time it took to make this video, it amazes me.
@ottolaakso1944
@ottolaakso1944 7 жыл бұрын
Mozata Folding Ideas fans are apparently the most easily impressed people on Earth
@k14pc
@k14pc 7 жыл бұрын
Barbara Arce I like Folding Ideas, but this line of thinking makes me think that a lot of people just don't know how long the process is for many videos. Videos like the ones made by Kaptain Kristian for instance or even something like Game Theory take literally 100+ hours to produce.
@mozata6838
@mozata6838 7 жыл бұрын
That's very true, but there's several different aspects of video making that require different kinds of work and the time you put into those aspects varies wildly. Stuff like Game Theory or any analysis channel rely]ies on extensive research which is where the bulk of that time goes. There's simple concepts like Dude Perfect that takes forever to make because the thing they're doing is just really difficult. Folding Ideas is probably less efficient than it could be, but since most of the videos have to do with the quality of filmmaking, it makes since that he would go the extra mile to make the actual video quality as superb as it can be. At the end of the day, it's just what the focus of the video/channel is and how good they are at their craft.
@CookieCryptid
@CookieCryptid 7 жыл бұрын
I think most people get that it takes time to make a video, and that it varies a lot between the type of video as well. But that was not the point of my comment in particular, what I find interesting here is what others have said: that one, while consuming videos, barely notices these jumpcuts, and as I watched this video in particular, the more jumpcuts and comments he made, the more aware of the time and planning I became, and the more interesting this seemingly (from the outside) simple tool became more complex. And, in my opinion, this made it a very clear example for what the video itself was about.
@irene7802
@irene7802 7 жыл бұрын
I really hope this weekly scripted video continues because I get so excited when a new video is uploaded
@SpeedyXGunz
@SpeedyXGunz 7 жыл бұрын
Three weeks ago, looked up "cruft" on 'VidMe or Why Platforms Aren't Your Friends' and learned a new word. Today, pauses video at 5:12 and looks up "pedagogical." Pats self on back when spells it correctly the first time, by typing it out phonetically. Learns another new word, then unpauses the video.
@YourMajesty143
@YourMajesty143 4 жыл бұрын
Andragogical is better suited as it means "teaching/learning for adults" as compared to pedagogical which is aimed at children.
@joshuacaulfield
@joshuacaulfield Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. Great explanations for a lay but interested viewer. Also thank you for the double effort and a high quality channel.
@saika2887
@saika2887 7 жыл бұрын
See, the clickbait title would've really got me on this one.
@BeastOfTheEast07
@BeastOfTheEast07 7 жыл бұрын
Really blown away by this one. Professorial and fun. All I could ever hope for from this site.
@BelieveInUrself93
@BelieveInUrself93 7 жыл бұрын
I just want to say I think your process is absolutely worth it and valued by us. Also, fantastic video as always.
@sallygreggers1018
@sallygreggers1018 7 жыл бұрын
Only recently got into your channel, the more I watch the more I love your videos. Hope you keep up the good work and jump cuts are in a weird way an important stylistic part of KZbin even if a KZbinr doesn't think twice using one.
@woulg
@woulg 4 жыл бұрын
Idk why but your type of perfectionism strikes me as having a uniquely Calgarian flavor... I can imagine you sitting at the roasterie or beano working on one of your scripts and that gives this extra layer to your videos that makes me like them even more than I already do. Thanks for another great video :)
@theanxiouslegume9280
@theanxiouslegume9280 3 жыл бұрын
I can't see anyone sitting in the roasterie for that long tbh. Not enough room, too much noise
@woulg
@woulg 3 жыл бұрын
@@theanxiouslegume9280 back in the day there were some people that pretty much lived there. Did you ever meet that guy that made those insane sketchbooks with each page cut out in a different way to make crazy relief drawings? Pretty sure he did a lot of work on those there. There were quite a few other characters like that
@theanxiouslegume9280
@theanxiouslegume9280 3 жыл бұрын
​@@woulg No, I haven't. I've heard of a few regulars, but I got the impression that with the addition of all the newer cafes and restaurants in the area with better seating and a wider menu, the Roasterie had become more of an express place. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice place, but the acoustics in there are a bit off for working on stuff, imo. I guess a lot of Uni students find Higher Ground to be a comfy spot to work on stuff despite the lighting and arguably worse acoustics, but they do have a larger menu
@woulg
@woulg 3 жыл бұрын
@@theanxiouslegume9280 yeah it's not really a "good" cafe hahah, it just has (had maybe?) a special vibe. Idk if I would say it's "nice" either actually haha, but it was definitely a special spot for me and many others growing up. I was back in Calgary recently and it didn't quite seem the same tho. But yeah I meant my initial comment more about the vibe than the practicality but I take your point
@theanxiouslegume9280
@theanxiouslegume9280 3 жыл бұрын
@@woulg It's been awhile since I'd been there, but as a black coffee drinker, I definitely appreciated the care they put into roasting (I heard they used to burn the beans though?). So I'm not knocking the coffee. I don't know ow recently you were in Calgary, but Covid or even the season could've affected the vibe. My partner says he seems more like a central library/Luke's kind of guy, I have no comment lol
@bagandtag4391
@bagandtag4391 7 жыл бұрын
I don't even notice cuts in youtube videos unless it's pointed to me. I don't understand how can people be annoyed by a jumpcut >_>
@agost92
@agost92 7 жыл бұрын
it is annoying, especially when it's almost a cut for every word like in some of those
@eugenecallahan1698
@eugenecallahan1698 5 жыл бұрын
Ok, but I’ve watched about 500 videos using jump cuts, and this is the very first one I’ve seen use them intelligently!
@DJMaster7q
@DJMaster7q 7 жыл бұрын
another in depth and logical video. this is one of my favorite channels on youtube
@Dave-K-Notts
@Dave-K-Notts 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I became aware of you via Den of Geek website and I’ve been enjoying going through the videos since. so I thought I just say what a nice, informative and fun channel this is and thanks :)
@conferencereport
@conferencereport 7 жыл бұрын
Your comments about using the screen as a stage put me in mind of John Jesuran's 'Chang in a Void Moon' project from the 1980's (revised in 2014). He reversed the stage/screen polarity, adopting techniques from film-making; close-ups, split-screen etc. for use in the staging and choreography of this live work. Also, thanks for this series. Really informative.
@matthewmcneany
@matthewmcneany 7 жыл бұрын
I find this fascinating and as a teacher I'm often thinking about how much of this I can transfer into classroom teaching. I need to go away and think about where I stand in my room for delivering different types content to students how they pick up on different visual cues and indeed if different groups of students can process different visual cues. I'm finding your videos on narrative and structure really useful in this regard. I guess if I had a question it would be how much of the audience interpretation of visual cues like these are learnt behaviour that I can't expect children to follow and how much of it is intuitive?
@StepBackHistory
@StepBackHistory 7 жыл бұрын
This is a really good video to watch as I make my first foray into live filmed footage.
@ImJonnay
@ImJonnay 7 жыл бұрын
I really dug this one. You do the "KZbin style" justice. I especially enjoyed the juxtaposition between the discussion of aesthetics against a pragmatic background, and the discussion of pragmatics against an aesthetic background. Deffo gonna rewatch this'un. Also, squee! Ze Frank reference.
@SilverDragonJay
@SilverDragonJay 2 жыл бұрын
I think the biggest problem with jump cuts is those cases where there's approximately 30 within a single minute of run time, not because the subject is moving or changing their location, but because they seemingly couldn't speak for a minute straight without making dozens of mistakes that needed to be edited out. I've seen some pretty egregious examples where the jump cut is used seemingly as a crutch because the speaker both didn't bother to think about what they wanted to say and didn't want to give the audience an authentic viewing experience. If you're making a video unscripted, with the intent of speaking off the top of your head or just rambling and seeing where your thoughts lead, cool, I like videos like that sometimes, there's no need to cut things out (unless you end up collecting your thoughts in silence for five minutes). Meanwhile, If you're doing a scripted video and you are making mistakes all over the place, maybe you should rehearse before actually recording, instead of splicing together all the 'successful' takes into a coherent video. Maybe you're somewhere in the middle, it's not scripted but you have talking points you want to hit. Cool, whatever works, but you should have some idea of what you want to speak about and should be able to avoid large tangents and tolerate small mistakes. And I'm not talking about channels that target younger audiences who might be using jump cuts to keep the video feeling energetic. That's valid, kids like a lot of activity and motion. I'm talking about videos where someone is sitting on their couch talking into the camera vlog style and is constantly jump cutting. That gets on my nerves like you wouldn't believe. I will admit, as someone who spends a lot of time on youtube, I do enjoy the use of jump cuts as presented here and in similar videos. They feel intentional, and thought out, and add to the video instead of detracting from it.
@RobertMilesAI
@RobertMilesAI 6 жыл бұрын
I think the big reason multi-camera isn't practical for KZbin type content isn't the cost or the extra hardware so much as... you're staring right into the lens. If you're editing and you notice some problem that you want to hide with a cut, what are you going to do, cut to the second camera's shot of you delivering dialogue off into space? To cut to another camera you have to turn and look at that other camera, and you can only do that if you know the cut is coming, so you lose a lot of the practical reasons to cut.
@MrRed8top
@MrRed8top 2 жыл бұрын
I've wanted this explanation for so long, thank you so much
@johnclavis
@johnclavis 7 жыл бұрын
thank you for giving me so much to think about. I am slowly and painfully figuring out the details of a video series I want to do and you help me a lot.
@SavageBubblegum
@SavageBubblegum 7 жыл бұрын
His final statement is delivered like a threat, I like it.
@EnglishMartialArts
@EnglishMartialArts 5 жыл бұрын
Genuinely love this video, thanks for making it!
@morgansearle3912
@morgansearle3912 5 жыл бұрын
The enunciation feels natural in the studio, but in the close-up vlog style, the clear mouth movements were stunningly Vsauce Michael.
@SeantommyE
@SeantommyE 7 жыл бұрын
Stage left would be frame right!!!! AAAAAHHH
@CuriousInsanity413
@CuriousInsanity413 2 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why people wouldn't like jump cuts, I think they fit what most of the youtubers I watch are doing very well. I never really thought about it it or actively noticed it until I saw it mentioned as something people complain about sometimes. The point about it making the setting a stage rather than just a frame hit me as in that way of something that's always been known without realising it haha
@_BigRed_
@_BigRed_ 7 жыл бұрын
I don't mind jump cuts when watching VLogs. It actually somehow makes them more watchable for me.
@mozata6838
@mozata6838 7 жыл бұрын
It ups the pace to better fit a video format. In a podcast or a real-life conversation we tend to be okay with longer pauses or digressions or mistakes etc. but for a video with a singular message it's better to just cut all the fat and get to the point. You could spin it to sound like that's just catering to people with short attention spans but it still makes for a tighter, more re-watchable video.
@aachhu1112
@aachhu1112 7 жыл бұрын
Mozata Succinctly making a point is never lazy; it's a learned skill that seperates good writers from great ones.
@TrevorVonRyan
@TrevorVonRyan 7 жыл бұрын
YES. Somewhat weekly videos please. Watching now.
@pinecone1113
@pinecone1113 7 жыл бұрын
This is a very smart analysis of something that I've never really thought about before. Good job!
@mitchellapple9184
@mitchellapple9184 7 жыл бұрын
Keep up the terrific work. Love the channel.
@thewolfin
@thewolfin 5 жыл бұрын
You can explain why as much as you want, but I will never agree.
@withmygoodeyeclosed
@withmygoodeyeclosed 5 жыл бұрын
It drives me crazy, it's cool on occasion but some people do a cut after every freaking sentence.
@palpytine
@palpytine 6 жыл бұрын
As a stage, it's fine. But when you get the likes of Peter McKinnon sat in the s'ame chair movi'ng just a couple of pi'xels to the side every so ofte'n it's the audiovisual eq'uivalent of sprinkling rand'om apostrophes in a written se'ntence - and actively harms comprehensibility for no gain on the part of the viewer
@nikkvideos
@nikkvideos 5 жыл бұрын
What bugs me is not that the cut exists, but that the space between the sentences is removed It's like there is no full stop anywhere Which means there is less time to assimilate the previous sentice, before the next sentice is thrust upon us Some channels are worse that others, and it gets too intense after a while This maximising of imformation and trying to keep peoples attention is not limited to video jumpcuts, you can see it in music, films, and other places It's ok for a 3 minute blast, but longer and more contemplative experiences are much harder.
@alex_roivas333
@alex_roivas333 7 жыл бұрын
i agree about the jump cut being good when used as punctuation. but sometimes when it's used for jokes, it reminds of a laugh track, or a rimshot, or something that is telling you "this was a joke, this is funny, laugh please"
@standincub
@standincub 7 жыл бұрын
So basically youtube style jump cuts were born from the 10 minute limit which caused content creators to remove as much dead space as possible so they could fit all their content in the time allowed. The viewers became used to this and now it is common place and for many viewers the preferred format despite the fact there is no time limit on videos now. That is super interesting! Not all jump cuts are created equal IMO. When it is a conscious choice by the editor to add a jump cut to emphasize a point of some kind it can add a lot to the video. But when there are jump cuts added in for no other reason than to add them in...it gets more annoying than anything else. The annoying jump cuts DO add a sense of momentum and energy. The monologue moves faster because the pauses are gone and the slight adjustments in position add a TINY bit of interest. But like any thing else, use them in moderation. When overused they are just distracting and make the monologue feel unnatural. A Logan Paul video was in my recommended list the other day so I checked it out and dear god, talk about distracting. The jump cuts drove me nuts. On top of the jump cuts there was an insane amount of zooming in and out. It's all so unnecessary seeing as that guy already talks incredibly fast and is really high energy. I couldn't get through his video.
@moxeman
@moxeman 4 жыл бұрын
I made software to automate jump cuts and love the way you write. If you checkout TimeBolt.io pls let me know. I'll subscribe and love to connect!
@CamilaSmid
@CamilaSmid 7 жыл бұрын
I learn a lot from your videos, sir! Thank you for uploading such a great material, it makes me wanna improve my channel every day.
@Brosefish1019
@Brosefish1019 7 жыл бұрын
I recommend getting a 4K camera! If you export a 1080p video, you can zoom in up to 4x without losing quality! That would reduce your record time!
@FoldingIdeas
@FoldingIdeas 7 жыл бұрын
This gets into some technical esoterica, but a re-framed shot is always* going to be incongruous with non-reframed footage because the sampling ratio will change, which impacts apparent clarity, even if you never go past a 1:1 sample rate. *there's limitations to this depending on how far above delivery resolution your recording resolution is. For example, shooting at 8k and delivering in 1080, you're starting at a 16:1 sample rate and can probably go in by half or more because even a 8:1 sample rate is so far above the delivery resolution that it'll look the same, especially after compression. There's other factors that come into play, as well. Most accessible 4k cameras blow. Like, they're straight up awful. The good 4k cameras, however, put a huge strain on the production pipeline by dramatically increasing the data demands. I'm already chewing through hard drives, shooting 4k at the quality I do is going to run close to 150-200 GB per video.
@whatever3554
@whatever3554 7 жыл бұрын
I wish I could do Ze Frank style videos, because I feel like it left an empty spot in youtube that needs to be filled.
@YourMajesty143
@YourMajesty143 4 жыл бұрын
Well no worries, he's back now 😊
@colinr0380
@colinr0380 6 жыл бұрын
I'm a big fan of the slow dissolve and fading of imagery in scene changes myself. There is a whole different meaning to the use of that over normal editing or jump cuts that seems to have been abandoned in cinema in recent decades, perhaps with the use of digital editing?
@Uriel238
@Uriel238 5 жыл бұрын
I always thought the jump cut was a pragmatic way of editing out goofs and tangents, which is fine if it creates a shorter, more evenly-edited piece. That a jump cut has artistic merit is sauce.
@Ringringcodyphone2020
@Ringringcodyphone2020 7 жыл бұрын
It's not a shame you don't get more views. Your videos are amazing
@noblebearaw
@noblebearaw 7 жыл бұрын
I guess I'm curious if the jumpcut is an effective tool, where is that tool best applied? Is it somehting best relegated to volgs or could other video types or even platforms benefit from it's use?
@unluckycloverfield4316
@unluckycloverfield4316 7 жыл бұрын
I recommend looking for videos on the french new wave and how they used jump cuts
@timetuner
@timetuner 7 жыл бұрын
Off the top of my head I'd say that video essays like this make best use of it and vlogs get the most economy out of it. I figure news digest type videos run the most risk of overusing it to the point of becoming frantic.
@Blabla130
@Blabla130 5 жыл бұрын
7:10 I was expecting a prompt to join Skill Share but then was like "wait this video is from 2017"
@rs-flamingo
@rs-flamingo 7 жыл бұрын
Oh wow the comparison to the stage was great! It makes so much sense.
@Victor.-.E
@Victor.-.E 2 жыл бұрын
Lindybeige don't need no stinking jump cuts! He makes wonderful one take content, sometimes over an hour long, about historical events and the like. But I suspect he's madman...
@knailstheman
@knailstheman 5 жыл бұрын
Because its good
@cottage-core_
@cottage-core_ 5 жыл бұрын
I havent finished the video yet but while I think that jump cuts tend to make a video more engaging they have also destroyed my attention span
@UkuleleNinjaMan12
@UkuleleNinjaMan12 7 жыл бұрын
Always love watching your videos!
@cursinsquirl
@cursinsquirl 7 жыл бұрын
Entire cut for a "Maybe *shrug*" A+
@littlekolb
@littlekolb 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for speaking into this. I can't believe it took me this long to find your video especially since I'm a long time subscriber. I'm an editor and this is something we talk about a lot. Jump Cuts have been, for a long time, considered a failed attempted to piece together a cohesive story. A failure to hide the actual process of stitching together film. However, the biggest flaw with film making and editing is that we really only have teaching in regards to feature film making. To learn editing theory you have to study editing theory in regards to feature films but what about editing a corporate promo video? Does montage theory have a place there? Yes and no but in regards to jump cuts, they will almost never have a place in a feature film except in rare occasions. They will always have a place in editing where stylistic choice is a major factor. i.e music videos and youtube videos. Everyone needs to understand that a Jump Cut is the same as every cut - There is a reason for making it. If you don't understand the psychological reasoning behind your edit decision a jump cut just becomes lazy editing. I love how you pointed out the use of frame and stage, such an eye opener for me. Keep making videos!
@zentouro
@zentouro 7 жыл бұрын
i'm very much on team jump cut - both pragmatically/aesthetically on my own channel but also integrating it into the more traditional work I do. I'm not entirely sure of the psychology here, but it is interesting to me how different the jump cut feels both during the actual edit /and/ in viewing the final product for a 'KZbin' jump cut versus in a TV spot, short film, or some corporate work.
@eazolan
@eazolan 7 жыл бұрын
The new haircut really works for you man!
@maocharlisme
@maocharlisme 7 жыл бұрын
I like the jumpcuts in the semantic way you use them! To amphasize and break up and organise your story into different chapters, paragraphs and clauses so to speak. What I also like about you jumpcut is that, you know: you don't cut out *every single comma and period* to create one long everlasting ADHD-sentense! 'xP
@maocharlisme
@maocharlisme 7 жыл бұрын
"it can create an aside by literally... moving aside" very well put!
@maocharlisme
@maocharlisme 7 жыл бұрын
And the comparisons with theatre you make wherein you compare a set frame with a stage are really dead on point to! Coming from a guy who's been in amateur theatre for years and years! =)
@clarcktumazar
@clarcktumazar Жыл бұрын
5 years later! Jump cat has been long gone sikeee its still HERE!
@Aleph_Null_Audio
@Aleph_Null_Audio 7 жыл бұрын
The "Ask A Ninja" series is basically an ode to jump cuts.
@veteratorvulpes1116
@veteratorvulpes1116 5 жыл бұрын
6:21 I really, no joke, subconsciously thought I'd autoplayed onto a vlogbrothers video for a sec
@DavidBaruffi
@DavidBaruffi 7 жыл бұрын
I thought you were gonna talk about it's use in films and television shows like "Traffic". But this was informative and fascinating too.
@connym.262
@connym.262 7 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I know you need to make jumpcuts ever so often, but if some youtubers make several cuts in a single sentence, that's just annoying. Like having a dozend cuts in a fighting scene: you wanna concentrate one what's being said/done, but you can't cause they always move and have these blocks of words smashed together. Like man, just make a goddamn script before you turn on the camera. That being said, I really like you videos and the last part of this one was really cute :)
@ferociousbiscuit
@ferociousbiscuit 5 жыл бұрын
So coincidentally I was watching another one of your videos and I noticed that every time you cut to a close up it looked like you scratched your next. It was at that point I realized you film everything twice.
@dodo59444
@dodo59444 7 жыл бұрын
This guy is like Michael from Vsauce but instead of science, he does film and art in general
@aku343
@aku343 7 жыл бұрын
I'm curious about something. Would it be possible to have a second camera filming the closeup simultaneously with the primary camera? And if so, have you ever done the math on how many videos you would need to make for that camera to pay for itself, given whatever you consider your hourly worth to be?
@FoldingIdeas
@FoldingIdeas 7 жыл бұрын
It is possible, it's not an awful plan. You would actually want to make the close up camera the primary, and have the wide be slightly off set, b/c the longer lens is going to be more sensitive to differences in eyeline (meaning it'll be more noticeable that you're not looking properly into the lens, but slightly to the side). It would only save me about an hour per video, so in absolute terms it would take a few dozen videos to "pay for itself" (using the value math I just did back-solving for what I make per hour off KZbin).
@Beardman29
@Beardman29 6 жыл бұрын
...or people have short attention spans and jump cuts hack the brain to make it refocus.
@gregstiles
@gregstiles 5 жыл бұрын
love your videos, you must be canadian because I heard you say "keener" in the henry vid.
@marcosdheleno
@marcosdheleno 7 жыл бұрын
"its still take skill and thought to do cheap and fast well", and thats the main thing many people doesnt get.
@billyb6001
@billyb6001 2 жыл бұрын
I like the jump cut. The green Brothers got me onto it
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