Why The Live Action Winx Is Like... That.

[@chatpuns]

What pisses me off so much about this is that the "darker elements" that they felt they had to add, THEY DIDNT NEED TO. Bloom is literally the last living survivor of HER ENTIRE PLANET, Stella struggles with her parents being divorced THEN has to deal with her Dad remarrying a woman who literally tries to replace her with her own bratty daughter, Aisha/Layla's FIRST STORYLINE is her trying to overcome her intense lonliness as she's shoved into an already established friend group THEN her planet gets attacked by the season 3 bad guy THEN she loses her bf. HALF OF THEM nearly DIE getting their Enchantix. One of which was Tecna, WHO THEY THOUGHT DIED AND THEN DECIDED THAT THEY COULDNT STAY TOGETHER AS THE WINX CLUB BECAUSE TECNA WASNT APART OF IT ANYMORE. Musa struggles with the death of her Mother....LIKE ALL the elements to make it dark was freaking there and they just IGNORED IT because "haha LOL this pretty in pink girl show"

[@madison5857]

thank you!! Winx was already dark for a children’s shows. They could’ve added more modern problems teens/young adults go through like mental illnesses which let’s face it the girls were bound to have after Valtor.

[@kalync.8232]

I hate how their definition of “dark themes” is teen sex, drugs, bullying and love triangles. None of that is dark, its stupid. They added stupid themes to the show.

[@gj4916]

I know! I mean they could have focused more on those elements and mixed it with the fact that Musa in the show is able to feel other people's emotions and how that takes a toll on her especially with all the crap her friends deal with. They could have also kept the bright colors, I mean look at "The good place" "A Series of unfortunate events" "Ms. Fisher's murder Mysteries" ect... pink and sparkles doesn't automatically mean it's for babies. Season's 1-4 have plenty of complex story lines they could focus on. Plus it wouldn't hurt to fix the wardrobe. There is lots of cute and trendy styles that would fit the modern day winx

[@letguelere1102]

@@gj4916 yeah i can't see them as teens with that wardrobe, stella looks like a mom wtf

[@HobieInTheBox]

EXACTLY. Winx was already dark on its own, but oh, just because they're pretty girls, with glittery wings and they're colourful and they don't swear, it's not dark enough? What even kind of logic is that!

[@dianaay6131]

It is funny to me that they believe that women as main demographic is something bad.... Hello Kitty, Disney Princesses and Barbie are one of the best selling franchises. Pokemon has a big female demographic and caters to them with cute designs and such. Lets talk music, Ariana, BTS, Ed Sheeran and Taylor Swift, have huge female demographics and are selling monsters. Let's take a closer look to bts, stores and brands are begging for collabs and partnerships for the amount of clout and buying power they bring to brands. Their way of thinking is outdated and annoying.

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

All those things are also in the, for lack of a better term, 'girl market'. Where as when you have a team of magical humans in some sort of magical conflict, people think more boys and action figures...more Sci-Fi and Fantasy books, then dolls and dress up (I don't agree with this mindset, but Hello Kitty is more decorative then make pretend play and Barbie fits squarely in the doll not Superhero catergory...though she's dressed as a Superhero sometime. I think parents are more to blame then anything. A lot of the time little girls and boys like the same things as kids (Power Rangers for example, most little girls and boys want all the toys-a little boy would not shy away from playing with the pink ranger if he liked the show), but when Mom and Dad go shopping they'll only pick up things in the pink isle for girls and grab those 'action figures' for boys (this distinction is STUPID since on a based level, action figures and dolls are basically the same thing. Mini models of some fictional character). And it's not that the son doesn't want the female members of the Power Rangers (to use my power rangers example) but parents are likely not gonna pick up the Pink Ranger for their son and avoid the Superhero isle altogether for their daughter, even if she watches the show with her brother.

[@seraphywang4638]

@@TheDawnofVanlife It sucks how we have to separate “girl” and “boy” stuff when both can be enjoyed by any gender.

[@hillomunkkiseni]

Bububut-... We have to have men be in the center of everything! Literally everything has to revolve around them because... Because, uhh... That's just how it is?... -Probably all these idiots ignoring all the non-white non-cishet non-men who are very much so potential customers ESPECIALLY because due to lack of recognition and representation they will eat up almost anything that is slightly geared towards them... I hate with a passion the male-centrism present in media, they really need to get with the times

[@dianaay6131]

@@seraphywang4638 my brother loved playing with my dolls when we were younger and even up till like he was 12, we loved watching barbies movies and bratz. We sang together in harmony🤷🏽‍♀️ We played together with my little pet shop, but we also played with his hot wheels and "boy" legos.

[@dianaay6131]

@@hillomunkkiseni literally. Like the whole love triangle or whatever. What for? To make it even more apparent we should fight for boys? That is what defines us? Fuck that. Or another great example is Mulan, they ruined her because a women can only be great in battle if she was born "special". And just because it if of the few movies geared towards us we should be "grateful" for absolute shit.

[@medtle1]

Basically, Fate wouldn't have had so much backlash if it wasn't linked to the Winx Club. It could have been its own thing and just gotten complaints about story writing, budget, and lack of diversity. Instead, it tried to be a "darker" and different version of Winx club so much that no one would know it is related to the Winx club if they didn't mention it, which made its flaws even more pronounced.

[@infinitedreamer9359]

Yeah. You can tell the ONLY reason it was called Winx Club was for the cash grab nostalgia. The directors and writers clearly didn't care to research the source material just looking at the final product.

[@MeLikeToast]

i don't know why people want a movie based off of an original series to be the exact same, i like the differences in these series, if for example you've watched 100 episodes (idk how many there are) of winx club and almost everyone had the same script, same magic, etc, it would in my opinion be boring. if i watched 100 episodes of winx club and all these episodes had the same storyline and magic stuff etc as in winx club, it wouldn't be original, and if it were more like winx club, people would start complaining that "it's literally the same as winx club".

[@semolinalibra]

@@MeLikeToast i watched all 8 seasons and movies and NOTHING is similar. The only thing they kept are the name. How can you call it Winx if nothing about it is Winx. Give me one thing but no they changed every single thing

[@infinitedreamer9359]

@@semolinalibra The only thing I can think of that they kept the same was the basic premise of S1 'in which a girl from Earth discovers that she's a fairy and decides to go a magic school in another world to find herself and makes friends along the way.' But the first part got heavily altered and the last part isn't even true. Also, 1 good point to PGSM? It actually keeps ALL of the main characters as they were and doesn't cut them out and/or replace them with an OC.Seriously,them leaving Techna out when she's one of the MAIN CHARACTERS and replacing Flora with Terra is two of the most baffling decisions they've made. I'm wondering the former was budget related just like the lack of transformations.

[@MeLikeToast]

@@infinitedreamer9359 I just read your reply, and i can agree with you. I guess my opinion is just different because i've never watched winx club before, thanks for telling me this. I still enjoyed the series though :P

[@lyannastarkweather]

After watching Fate, it became apparent to me that the creators fundamentally misunderstood what parts of Winx Club made it a success. It is a magical girl show at its core. You can't satisfy a magical girl audience without color, transformations, or friendship. Those are key tenets of the genre. This grimdark aesthetic would have been far more successful in a W.I.T.C.H. It wouldn't be surprising if Disney were to announce something within the next year or so. I'd personally prefer a continuation of the cartoon adapting the later volumes of the comics.

[@youyo2205]

Well they could have pulled a madoka magica and made it colorful at first and make it darker later on but no that would have token if effort

[@MeLikeToast]

I watched it a while ago, i like it, cool series, i look forward to watching season 2, never watched the winx club as i am a 17 year old male but i enjoyed it.

[@chappellroanplsgotomanilaibeg]

@@MeLikeToast awww good thing you like it, but its sad to think your generation got mediocore angsty teenage shows , unlike the diversity before, wherein most are originals and not adaptions,

[@Lopholillie]

I wouldn't even put it under witch, I don't know why it just dosent have the same vibe as either shows.

[@lia.g9796]

even W.I.T.C.H. has transformation sequences, although not as important to the show as it is in Winx Club. Don't they dare touch my W.I.T.C.H. girls, they'll only mess up the casting as well. You saw what they did to Musa and 'Terra'

[@ryanspears9704]

Even the Live Action Scooby Doo was solid in my opinion. It was modern and edgy, but still embraced the cheesy humor of the source material

[@neestovekin8251]

Are you talking about the one with Sarah Michelle Gellar?

[@Aster_Risk]

I really liked the first live action Scooby-Doo in particular.

[@Kyoko1411]

Have to disagree on the Bloom-Sky-Stella love triangle being one of the few good things. Stella literally wanted to get Bloom KILLED (by sending her to a dangerous area) because she TALKED to her EX boyfriend. Whereas in the original Winx, love triangles where never a thing because the story is about friendship and not fighting over some man. Otherwise amazing video and I agree with everything.

[@Aishyo]

Could you tell I was struggling to say something nice 😂

[@anelf3767]

@@Aishyo Yes. Yes we could. 😂

[@crystalfajman3732]

One in the things I loved about the original Winx Club was the relationship between Stella and BRANDON who they took out completely!!

[@Nancydrew301]

I’ll remain convinced that Stella is diaspro in disguise.0~0 😱 she was near (being generous) maniacal about her obsession of sky

[@Eline77R]

@@crystalfajman3732 I still think that they will introduce Brandon in season 2 though

[@casir.7407]

i KNEW batman was the one to blame edit: "it just felt more mature because it wasnt super girly". thats it. youve cracked the code, finally thats what its been under all those claims of maturity. god. why are guys, and media in general, so terrified of girliness???

[@Aishyo]

Because they are weak! And in the words of Robin from the edgy Titans show "fuck batman!" 😂 but really I'm tired can we get some hot pink girliness in here before we start with the subversions

[@jasonle9596]

Please don't disrespect Batman, if anything compare it to that Dark Sabrina show

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

@@jasonle9596 The Dark Sabrina show had a base in how the comics evolved alongside the other Archie properties. And it was probably picked up because of the darker Archie comics that led to Riverdale's creation. So more like blame Riverdale maybe... But not really. Also, the poke at Batman was pretty tongue-in-cheek.

[@jasonle9596]

@@TheDawnofVanlife Gotcha

[@Y2CJ3600]

batman isnt fully to blame. he was to blame for comics and the way certain movies that came out years later but quickly faded.

[@hannahc7950]

They coded bloom red when she was originally coded teal and Aisha was color coded green. You know who was coded with red??? MUSA

[@vitiated1733]

fr right, they literally just took their hair colors

[@chuiga2935]

I liked when Aisha had pink details and magic even she is fairy of waves. Like color coding her blue, what an imagination..

[@heartbeattoya1718]

How you managed to connect batman to winx club to sailor moon and then compare grim dark magical girls with game of thrones. Chef's kiss we have to stan.

[@ninanano]

as a "20-something", their apparent "target audience", i literally have no interest in watching a show about teenagers born in the 2000s. they could made this a nice show about college girls and their sisterhood. like i've BEEN through what you're attempting to show me 🧍🏾‍♀️ i'm getting nothing new from that, and there's many shows that can give me the exact same thing. everything about this felt so rushed, lazy, and there were SO MANY missed opportunities. this should've been a relatively easy show to reboot, netfllix actually had no input in the production and i'm starting to think they should've 🙄 i'm super disappointed as a girl who saw someone who looked like her and her friends on tv for the first time with winx club. and the first b*tches i'm gonna smack are brian young and iginio straffi-- anyways, amazing video, thank you so much for the 30 minutes of content ❤ don't be scared to make long videos! you structure them super well, they're easy to keep up with and they feel a lot shorter than what they actually are, because they're so good that you're not thinking about the time. it's like a class with your favorite teacher. i'll wait patiently for the next one ☝🏾

[@Aishyo]

☺️☺️Thank you for that I felt like I was rambling a bit too much but if you lot enjoy it then expect more.

[@Temari0403]

@@Aishyo no this was amazing. This was my first video from your channel but to the extent that you went, which was above and beyond, to explain the things that lead up to this. And the fact that you gave me a different angle and perspective to to understand this. Like the Batman bit was very insightful. The girls don’t buy toys bit changed my life and I’m angry about it but I’m so happy I know this now. To the comparison to other magical girls ans the sailor moon adaptation. You gave me soooooo much perspective about this issue and I loved every bit of it. All this effort and I say how many likes and views and I’m so mad cause you deserve waaaay more. Either way, I subbed right away. Looking forward to your content 💙

[@billiemeadus9529]

@@Aishyo the worst part is they keep the story the same and took out transformations they would just as many fan they got and the original fan base

[@bravebooks2493]

Hello 2001 baby here and trust me i hated and was super not interested in this type of story line either i was really rooting for a college thing with actual relatable topics

[@Ltandbeyond]

As a ‘20 something’ their ‘target audience’ and a fan of the OG winx club, I literally just went back watching the animated version instead of the live action

[@magicwinxcrow2612]

Aisha/Leyla has such a damn good arc in the original story. I genuinely hate the "token black best friend" trope. I'm a white woman. My best friend from High school is black. If anybody tried to mention that trope around us, we would rip them a new one. Or...I would. My friend is too nice for that.

[@magicwinxcrow2612]

@@Raya-ir4tm she was the only black girl in the school for a while. And it was high school. And I was talking about what I would do to the other people in high school. So, no. I'm not threatening anybody. Have a nice day.

[@morivice6835]

My little pony was popular with men and never got cancelled I remember in the early days of bronies becoming a thing, there were all these think pieces of how cool it was that men were embracing a cartoon that was very girly and was about friendship and feelings. Turns out a good portion of bronies were the worst.

[@NT-tn6oo]

Jenny Nicholson's deep dive video on Bronycon did a good job covering this

[@morivice6835]

@@NT-tn6oo might have to check that out. I should probably get around to watching that brony documentary too

[@seraphywang4638]

That went to crap when the brony community started focusing on maintaining a reputation instead of dealing with the problems. It was so great for just a few months and then boom! Pedohiles everywhere

[@morivice6835]

@Rose Midnight they were mocking the original ponies? They better show some respect 😡. This is exactly my point

[@seraphywang4638]

@Rose Midnight Well, even if they dont respect it, they still shouldnt be that childish. You can dislike something and still appreciate what happened because of it. This generation of my little pony was much better than the previous generations but it does not need hate.

[@user-mv8dr5ju4f]

At this point, it's refreshing to see adaptations that aren't afraid of looking a little silly. I find it quite charming to find one that both loves the source material and isn't afraid of looking a little goofy as well.

[@nessyness5447]

And you can still make them more for adults, just think on the scooby doo live actions. They had a lot of things for adulta while keeping the sillyness.

[@Justme-wm8vr]

About there being no cat-fight-y moments in the Bloom/Sky/Stella-love triangle: I disagree. Bloom didn't really do anything , that's true, but Stella was constantly making it clear that she considered Sky "hers". Whenever she witnessed him and Bloom together, she would insert herself into their conversation, often intimately touch Sky in front of Bloom and afterwards throw death glares at her. In the very first episode she sends Bloom away to possibly die in the woods, just because Sky showed interest in her. What also put me off about the whole love triangle was that it's yet another teen-drama that asserts girls cannot possibly be friends right away or be mature about their relationship, they have to be catty and possessive when it comes to romance. I liked that Winx Club didn't feel the need to turn Stella into a stereotypical mean girl who Bloom has to assert dominance over by stealing her boyfriend. But hey, all the '''''''''mature'''''''' shows have love triangles and women hating each other for minuscule reasons, so of course the Winx-reboot had to crowbar that in. /s

[@Aishyo]

Yeah it was subtle things, not a big confrontation innit

[@bennichol1510]

@@Aishyo I just think this is media which is to be consumed then forgotten because of its mediocrity we had a similar case with the Junji ito collection where I think it was more to do with the studio that was producing it but Uzumaki is getting animated and apparently ITO is gonna be more involved so I have reasonably high hopes for it.

[@sansastark4040]

I just want a big pink castle with awesome female friendships that can address things like jealousy but are ultimately are girls supporting girls and wearing cute outfits. Like those outfits from Fate where just hideous. No teenager would wear that.

[@oyinkansolaadebajo9716]

I mean, The She-Ra reboot is ready and waiting for you...

[@sansastark4040]

@@oyinkansolaadebajo9716 that is true! I gotta give it another chance. 🙂

[@oyinkansolaadebajo9716]

@@sansastark4040 Yes!! Do it! Not only is it incredibly camp and girly, but also very deep and well-executed!

[@ahaziahjoshua1397]

I think the "women dont buy merch" has roots in women being housewives stereotype, men work and earn money and pursue their interests women stay home and cook

[@PamsWorld101]

And you're so right about people thinking girlyness means that its immature and childish, thats such a bad mindset, magical girl shows like ojamajo doremi (which I recommend) has silly and funny moments, but its not afraid to strive towards more serious or "darker" topics, it not about whether it has dark stuff in it, its about how its executed

[@Aishyo]

I love doremi those girls are my babies

[@PamsWorld101]

@@Aishyo oh sweet! and same, especially aiko and momo

[@koladarling3872]

I too was disappointed that they didn't have wings or transform. I like your idea for the finale where they all transform into a fairy form. It would unite the girls more and then in season 2 it could be about people trying to break their bond. It's been hate watched enough season 2 is happening 🙄

[@magicwinxcrow2612]

"Girls aren't into comics." Me, a woman who has a captain America tattoo and references the Avengers like I would literally die without referencing the Avengers...you're right. Girls aren't into comics. We're into COMIC BOOK MOVIES. Seriously, tho. I am *livid* about the Winx Club being disrespected like this.

[@Y2CJ3600]

ive been curious for years, as to who does these studies and research. cuz i know lots of females who loves comics and super heroes. i think its the same folks who thinks a woman's place is in the kitchen. some outdated old person.

[@youyo2205]

So basically people in their 80’s how don’t know how to able to the same audience years later, sounds about right

[@hillomunkkiseni]

Honestly, I personally know WAY more non-men than men who are into comic book characters and movies (not necessarily comic books though since we legit don't have any published here, only Donald Duck and a couple mangas)... Like white cishet men, which they still think is their main audience, seem more like a minority in nerd culture to me, but I swear people are just way too obsessed with trying to please the white cishet men they refuse to face the facts that other people exist...

[@magicwinxcrow2612]

@@hillomunkkiseni THIS.

[@legendarybubbles4567]

I know right? Like comics were my whole childhood! I love the whole super hero genre especially. It’s what had inspired me to want to be an animator and/or comic artist.

[@morivice6835]

Could you imagine a Transformers movie without the giant robot fights or a GI Joe movie without explosions but since it's a girly girl property or chick flick we can't have fun self indulgent special effect power fantasy because that's not cool enough, it would look ridiculous. No more ridiculous than all these spandex clad superheroes out now.

[@silentspirit8923]

"Girls don't like comics." I am a girl who read comics, reads manga, and watches cartoons and anime!

[@legendarybubbles4567]

I know right? Like comics were my whole childhood! I love the whole super hero genre especially. It’s what had inspired me to want to be an animator and/or comic artist.

[@many-bees]

I have watched a LOT of Fate reviews but yours is my favourite by far. I'm really glad someone reviewed the show without skipping out on talking about the whole grimdark teen show trend. Its also disappointing how they were SO afraid to step out of Riverdale's blueprint to the point that they didn't even make the logical decision to capitalize off the Y2k fashion trend, which was not only a core part of the series but is also having a huge revival. I guarantee that everything else about the show could have been of the same mediocrity but if they got the fashion right people would have loved it and instagram would have been full of winx inspired lookbooks. But for some reason they literally hired the costume designer from desperate housewives. I guess they cared more about the negative publicity than any kind of originality anyway. Lots of people are saying this show would have been better if the show wasn't attached to the Winx name and while thats probably true, no one would have wanted to watch it because, as you said, there are a million other shows doing exactly what they are doing. They used the og fan's outrage as their main form of marketing, and I mean it definitely paid off for them, seeing as they're trending on netflix, but its such a cheap trick. Anyway, super fantastic video, I'm so glad I found your channel.

[@Aishyo]

Thank you and welcome. Yeah bad publicity is still good publicity the hate watching is what's gonna get it a 2nd second whether it can last longer than that is another thing. I won't be watching this show just gave me an excuse to vent about Grim dark adaptation and the contempt/embarrassment of stereotypically hyper feminine things.

[@desireeloveros1055]

@@Aishyo You referenced the 10th kingdom? No one ever remembers that series!

[@Aishyo]

@Desiree Loveros Yes yes! Damn near nobody remembers that show it was Once upon a time before Once upon a time. The whole miniseries is on youtube

[@desireeloveros1055]

@@Aishyo Exactly! I loved ouat in the beginning but when they killed off Neal and had Emma date her baby daddy’s stepdad. It got too complicated and I couldn’t enjoy like before. But the 10th kingdom was such a light hearted series without trying to take itself too seriously. The trolls were hilarious, I loved the sheep contest and to be quite honest Wolf was the perfect man even if he lied and tried to keep Virginia with him and wasted all his winnings on a restaurant and an engagement ring.

[@LisaFevral]

this show could've been so huge, just style it properly, and use the storylines from the original. what's so childish about that storyline of sky and Brendan switching to protect sky from a the**orist attack? what's so childish about the girls NOT fighting over boys? what's so childish about having three separate schools for different types of people, as well as advanced technology being part of the setting? like damn. MAKE IT HYPER FEMININE I think ppl would've been receptive to it rn bc we all want to escape reality. I was so disappointed about what they've done that I also made a long video about this show, restyling and remaking the setting, bc it was all right there.

[@LisaFevral]

it could even be angsty, but the characters NEED to at least be likeable

[@LovesTwilightSaga1]

i agree

[@lyraenza]

What are you doing here ? O_O And you're right some people are like "yeah the plotlines are more mature in fate" but it isn't the case ! The way Tecna earned her Enchantix still make me cry when I watch it. They replaced the whole identity swap with a LOVE-TRIANGLE. Like, what ? The mature plot lines were handled to them on a silver plate ( in fact everything was ) but they felt the need to change everything. I could count the similarities on my fingers. It almost feels like they only asked for the names and powers of the characters before writing this mess.

[@LisaFevral]

@@lyraenza they even messed the powers up too, it's basically just elemental powers (plus "empath" powers🤢)

[@JaiProdz]

You, and chai tii on youtube- two Black girls...had better ideas and points about Winx then the people who worked on this show. Part of it is that they hire older people who still thinks it's the grimdark, edgy CW 2011 TVD, Teen Wolf leather jacket running in the woods era- Sabrina gets away with this bc it's based on a horror comic, and honestly? Was a pretty good show (tho part 3 was terrible!)...GEN Z actually like colorful, y2k (futuristic) things and Winx could've been adapted to fit that perfectly. I'm here for Totally Spies, W.I.T.C.H. or Scooby-Doo having a new, well budgeted adaption that is perfectly made for a Gen Z audience of people under 26. The 2000s films of Scooby, and Josie and The Pussycats did it so well. Winx stumbled...it's sad.

[@isoldelujan]

instead of trying to make media that is “capable” of appealing to boys, let’s instead make it okay for men to enjoy “feminine” media. a live action winx that is true to the source material, and the amazing storyline that came with it, would be *the* way to go to achieve that.

[@kamminae]

Great video! This made me think of the rumor that Naoko might take over writing hunter x hunter for togashi if necessary, and so many people were like “noooo she could never handle the themes in hxh”. Please, sailor moon is RIGHT there put some respect on her work. But it’s classically girly so it’s not taken seriously ofc 😪

[@Aishyo]

Right thank you. Naoko was helping him for a long time too, Togashi gives her credit all the time. More people need to read the Sailor Moon manga.

[@Smile-ni9nc]

@@Aishyo The absolute fools who think Naoko had no influence on HxH!

[@silentspirit8923]

I love the Sailor Moon manga! It was such a good storyline, and had small little mature scene here and there (I mean Death Busters). Naoko did a brilliant mix of girliness and power. (I mean Sailor Moon is a legendary female anime character!)

[@joliewong5730]

My heart is so broken. Young justice was such a big part of my childhood and that interview just showed me that misogyny killed my favourite show.

[@sakunaruful]

Young Justice got another season called outsiders. It’s on HBO Max.

[@saladcaesar7716]

As a magical girl fan, I respect all magical girls from Sally to Madoka. I would hate it if they were all the same. Let each magical girls embrace their own traits.

[@Aishyo]

i agree

[@saladcaesar7716]

@@Aishyo A friend send me this vid and I love it ! Thanks

[@koladarling3872]

That's why tower prep was cancelled????!!!! I'm mad all over again. And yes some love for Sailor Moon live action, I don't care how corny and cheesy it may have been it was fun and sincere and cast like to get together from time to time. Keiko Kitagawa looks like a baby here.

[@ember9361]

oh. my. god. the whole "we gotta sell to BOYS only" corporate talk at 13:30 got me so mad! wtf is that shit?? what else other than pure sexism would that be?? the creators have no issue creating interesting plots, why not let girls enjoy shit???

[@adekanmbioluwapelumi274]

Such good expansion of different interconnected themes.

[@Riddisfavorites]

I thought it was so weird that 3 men in their late twenties-early thirties at my work praised the Fate so much I shocked they watched the same show that I did until I saw the beginning of this video. The showrunners really just left the people who watched Winx as kids demographic in the dust.

[@Starscall]

Right? My supervisor, a Cis dude in his mid-late twenties, talked about how much he loved the show. I, a trans man in my 30s, refuse to watch it because they took a Canon that meant a lot to me when I was younger and turned it into Rubbish.

[@adricsoti3719]

im beyond pissed af to see that Stella became "the mean girl" she was my favorite in the og show,,she was so nice and helpful, hell, she was the one who helped Bloom in the first place How could people ruin these things and expect everyone to like it?

[@dianarubio7585]

I’m a winx fan I wish they could scrap this show and start all over. Like please I’m praying they have to start from scratch. I’m Latina and I was so sad to see flora was gone.

[@Eline77R]

Not sure if you are gonna be happy or sad about this, but a Latina flora is unofficially confirmed for a second season

[@Starfire10982]

If Disney announces live action WITCH, for the love of GOD could they stick with the books. Just the books. Not even the animated series.

[@blackstar-nr5ds]

Witch is a Disney show??

[@chuiga2935]

If they ever do W.i.t.c.h. live action, I really hope they will learn from these videos what went wrong with Winx and avoid those things.

[@maamyy]

I was kinda shook of the memo the man saying that their didn’t like that girls was the bigger fan base and that this was the reason why they canceled it wtf , sounded so Wrong on so maaaany lvls

[@TheDoomBlueShell]

Remember watching the trailer and was like "Oh someone is really trying to appeal to Vampire Diaries demographic..." and now I'm not even surprised to learn that one of the showrunners was part of Vampire Diaries... And like these self-fulfilling prophecies are the worse and many times they themselves force them I remember that I followed many fans of Young Justice and one of the main complaints is that it didn't have enough toys and most toys were made of the cheaper quality and pretty expensive so many fans didn't waste their money on it and them they blamed poor toy sales on the cancelation

[@isabellamusgrove6007]

What annoys me the most is what they did to Stella. Like, in the original show she’s spoiled and fashion obsessed, but she’s also still a really good friend and person! I hate that shows always have the spoiled character be a asshole because it’s waayyy over-done. Stella was a refreshing character that shows that just because your pretty and confident, doesn’t mean your a mean girl. I hated that they just diminished Stella into a stereotypical misunderstood mean girl. 😤

[@desmondgatling7528]

24:01 The fact that in one minute you just rewrote the ending to have a payoff that was actually worthwhile AND included a cliffhanger that could be expanded upon in the sequel just snatched my wig! If only we got a fraction of this in the real show...

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

Unrelated but also reminder to everyone that the Batman show had a black catwoman before the upcoming Robert pattinson Batman movie did. Dunno why but I just love pointing this out to some folks

[@Aster_Risk]

Eartha Kitt is my favorite Catwoman.

[@amitajoshi3209]

I feel so understood by this video.....as OG fan it made me mad Techna was excluded....and almost everything....and loss of transformations. If Power Rangers could be made realistically a DECADE AGO...with budget restrictions...WINX could have been made better.

[@LiiiiiiMa]

god if they dare to touch W.I.T.C.H. with their dirty live action hands its on sight fellas that comic was and still is my whole world and i am terrified of some big corporation messing it up.

[@AbbyGuard]

They already kinda messed it up with the cartoon, ruined the lovely art style and the story.

[@Error403HRD]

Man I love "girly" things, they tend to be more well made because the people who make them aren't doing it for the money, as much anyway.

[@GosterMonster526]

People who laud Madoka as the first and only subversive magical girl anime have not watched much magical girl genre. I remember being absolutely devastated when I was younger by the twist in Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne

[@SuDoesThings]

11:56 "Because boys don't like romance stuff" My 13-year-old brother watching romance anime like his life depends on it: 😀✋ then what am I?

[@Aishyo]

I was being sarcastic, I've been told my sarcastic voice is too much like my regular voice 😅

[@SuDoesThings]

@@Aishyo I actually didn't mean it that way I was rather quoting what you were quoting😅 I knew you were sarcastic when you said that

[@Aishyo]

@@SuDoesThings oops lol

[@ultrastar6142]

I'm still not sure why we don't have a Pretty Cure fighting game.

[@emilyhotton5752]

I think I would’ve like winx fate saga if they didn’t use the word winx

[@Aishyo]

Exactly

[@senpainoticedyou6182]

The show would've been decent. if it wasn't connected to Winx. Winx the cartoon was pretty shallow in terms of story, but the music, transformations, fashion, and the idea it self is what made it ICONIC, them removinig everything that made Winx, you know WINX, was a slap on the fact to anyone who grew up with Winx. The connections you made are outstanding, i would've never thought about those things, Amazing video, always love to hear your takes.

[@infinitedreamer9359]

I don't think it's fair to say that Winx Club was shallow in story or NEVER had darker or mature elements. For example, Stella was dealing with her parents being divorced and Musa was dealing with how the death of a family member affected her relationships with the rest of her family. Sure,it was never focused on too much,but to say they weren't there at all is pretty disingenuous. Essentially,WC was a coming of age story dealing the challenges the characters faced in their years at Alfea and while it's nothing original,it was decently done. At least that's I would say for the first 4 seasons+SotLK movie. After that,they changed their demographic from older kids and tweens to really young kids. If the directors and writers had actually bothered to research the series,they probably could've caught this stuff and take what was already there and just expand on it,while adding in new lore that still makes sense for WC. But no,they just haaad to go the 'let's take something that was bright and colorful and then make it muted,dull,and have blood/gore as a sign that this is more mature when it really isn't!' route It makes the show have no identity of it's own because Riverdale,Sabrina,and countless other shows already did this shit. And no,I think even if the show wasn't called Winx,it still wouldn't be all that great because nearly all of the characters are unlikable and the plot doesn't make sense.

[@Techno-moon]

Shallow? girl bye

[@anelf3767]

Did you complete the whole Winx series? I mean the old one. Not the new shitty ones they make today. And at what age? Did you actually try analyze the meaning behind each ep or did you just watch it 'cause it was fun? I'm not hating, I just wanna know where you got shallow story from.

[@joiceraiana]

I watched the show first as an young teen and now I've been rewatching and dude is so much deeper than I remember. Yes that's a lot of silliness but is also pretty deep, like Stella learning that her comments can seriously hurt her friends and the girls learning to interact with clashing personalities. I'm starting the second season, and I don't think it's shallow at all, maybe you should rewatch too.

[@infinitedreamer9359]

@@joiceraiana Yeah. That's what I said. The more mature/darker elements weren't focused on much and the show could be corny,but they were there. Stella was dealing with the divorce of her parents. And hell,Aisha's whole arc and backstory was her learning how to deal with her crippling fear of loneliness and isolation. And then there's the REAL reason why Sky and Brandon swapped places on S2,which was because Sky was in danger of being kidnapped to be held for ransom.And hell, S4 especially has a ton of this. PGSM(the live action Sailor Moon series) takes the darker or underdeveloped aspects of the 90's anime/manga and used that to tell new stories that changed how you looked at the original work. BUT, the series was still recognizable as SM and kept the same appeal. That's what I was hoping they'd do,not this In Name Only BS.

[@japanesemyth]

I completely forgot what this video was about until the 17 minute mark. I was just vibin and than shocked to my core about what the premise of this video was.

[@BoredBela]

Tower Prep used to be one of my favorite shows. I’m still angry that it was cancelled and the reasoning why is just so insulting and ridiculous.

[@Aishyo]

I never watched it, I found out about it while researching and was not too shocked it was cancelled for being too popular with girls

[@ceylamb]

why didnt they use the original names for the teachers who tf is "Ms. Dowling"

[@Eline77R]

Her first name refers to faragonda: farah dowling. Don’t know why they changed it but I’m sure it’s somewhere? Perhaps too Italian or something but now I’m just freewheeling. Maybe they wanted a more “British” vibe, which seemed to be their thing

[@Stellie3341]

My two favorite anime’s are Magic Knight Rayearth & Princess Tutu so your part on magical girl subversion made my day. Agree 100% with everything you said

[@coffeewithextrasuga1017]

Honestly when I watched fate: Winx saga I felt as if I'm watching W.I.T.C.H instead, they looked like witches more than FARRIES .

[@bethanybrookes8479]

funny that batman and robin was hated, yet its my favourite batman movie, and the one my dad and mum have seen the most times... and as for madoka, i liked it. it was short, but it didnt need to be long, and honestly, i think the best thing was the asthetic for the witch's labrynths, with the weird, experimental animation and art, mixing horror and fairy tale, which set it apart from other magical girl subversions, making it stand out. it was good, but the attention it gain lead to an oversaturation of grimdark magical girls, not all of which were that good. and i still prefer precure, which, like winx, has bright colours, pretty outfits, themes of friendship and growing as people, tense situations, heartfelt, emotional moments and a good story that non fans often overlook due to the bright, sparkly, girly surface. and that guy saying girls dont buy toys? not true. tho some of us are a little nervous about doing so due to stigma created by people like him. i can think of pleanty of times when i have looked into male clothing sections and seen the t-shirts of stuff i enjoy, then go into the girls section and its all glitter, good vibes, unicorns and disney. i only recently picked up the confidence to actually go and buy the t-shirts from the male section. and its the same with toys. i have looked at countless figurines and thought "i want that, but i'm a girl and girls aren't supposed to like that." then my brother would buy them and i'd play with them more than him. its not about not wanting them, its about desisions to market exclusively to boys, to create an image that only boys can like thais stuff, to put the toys in separate aisles depending on weather its marketed to girls and boys. if you put the action figures next to the barbies, showed girls playin with them in tv adverts aswell as boys, then more girls would buy them. i know its different now, but that wasnt the case when i actually wanted that sort of thing, instead of the manga and lego minifigs i collect now. and i went to see the dora movie in cinema and really enjoyed it, as a girl the same age as dora is supposed to be in the film and who watched the cartoon (albeit only occasionally at friend's houses, it wasn't on any of the channels i had access to at home before i grew out of it) as a 3-6 year old. it was bright and colourful, used tropes from the cartoons, but made them into good jokes, with one of my favourite lines actually being the "can /you/ say extreme neurotoxicity?" joke, and the confusion her parents showed whenever she turned to the camera. all the callbacks to the original cartoons, whilst making it more realistic to match the medium, jokes for both the kids and the parents, along with an interesting story that was reletively high action but still easy enough and tame enough for the younger audience, characters who i could get invested in and actually care about their relationships, and it was a team of 5 with even less time than fate had. sure, its adapting something completely different from winx, but i see it as proof that 1) an older actress can look like a 16 year old if you dress them correctly, 2) you can become invested in characters and their relationships with less than an hour if you do it correctly and 3) you dont have to be grimdark to be a good live action adaption of a cartoon.

[@StarPrincessTally]

I've been binging Winx Fate Saga analysis and enjoying them all. Yours was hexcellent AND I'M SO GLAD you brought up Princess Tutu. Madoka was good but it was 100% orginal ground breaking like people seem to enjoy claiming. It's also a wonderful example of how you can combine Dark & Glittery. Dealing with mature themes and also fun. (but tbf I am incredibly biases cause I love that show beyond words)

[@mk-yt8og]

for the love of god, I pray that NOBODY touches the W.I.T.C.H comics... those are one of the best pieces of media I have ever consumed to this day. the story arcs were so compelling and mostly always adressed a bigger issue without being preachy or boring. The characters were so well written every single time, making them think and act like ACTUAL teenagers and having problems most if not all teens could relate to. The magic was never the focal point and I believe that is what makes them stand out and so good. When I think about how I took all my 25+ books and threw them in the garbage I want to cry... Stupid 14-year-old me. If anyone knows if and where I can buy them again, let me know

[@gabriellelala5383]

About Tower Prep, I constantly fought my brain on this because for the longest time as a teen, I thought I made the show up, but I was also insistent that it existed, so to see it talked about settles it for me. I never knew why they cancelled it, but ig because it was bringing in the girls. Ironically, the show they replaced it with, Level Up, was also something I watched when I saw it. That's the stupid thing about this, I literally don't care if the show is a "boy show" if I become attached to it, I _WILL_ watch it no matter what. Ben 10, Generator Rex, Thundercats 2011, Sym-Bionic Titan, fuck yes I watched them, as well as watching Winx Club, Steven Universe, Magical DoReMi, My Little Pony, and Bratz. It did _not_ matter to me, really it didn't. I find it funny they mentioned Young Justice because when I saw that in this video, I was thinking "Well maybe you shouldn't have made all the characters hot!" I was really a simp for all the guys on The Team when I first watched it, but I also super love action and fight scenes. Besides, I will never not love Robin, it can't just be me that always had a crush on him in whatever cartoon he was in. I'm sure there were also a lot of other girls that watched the show purely for the action and story, too. MARKETING?! GIRLS DON'T BUY TOYS?! Shit, put _anything_ on a purse or backpack and I will want it, I love collecting those. I look at Hot Topic every month and see backpacks for shows/media I don't even watch and I'm like "I kinda _need_ that, though". Also, I love figures, just make figures, put it on jewelry, earrings, bracelets, all that. Like he said, just put a character on an umbrella. BTS, the world famous group, has a line of characters with Line Friends, and they have merch of everything under the sun. All they needed to do was do that, these characters are cute and have sold out so many items, literally any product you could think of. They just don't know how to sell, CN's really trash with that. They killed Gen Rex, Sym-Bionic Titan and Thundercats 2011, just because they couldn't sell the toys for them, despite the fact that they were pretty popular. Gen Rex got the better end of the stick, it at least had an ending, despite CN knocking it off the air during the second season. I had only faint memories of _one_ episode of S3 and the rest was practically new to me (except for the very ending, which I had seen when they were airing it on CN at 6 IN THE MORNING in like 2013). Not to mention it came on *right* after Ben 10, and the basic structure of the shows were similar (though they were very different too), "Teenage boy fights [blank] but also is/can turn into it as well, and is pretty much the world's protector." (Also includes The Secret Saturdays. And actually even Steven Universe now that I think about it, though SU isn't action heavy with a boy market). All in all, as someone else here said, Fate could've just not been Winx and then it wouldn't have been dragged as hard, but because they told us "This is a WINX show for all the WINX fans who liked WINX CLUB!" it hurts x10 worse that it's like this. Life is already depressing, I wanna see glitter and fashion and the power of friendship, damn it! It's obvious they just used the name thinking they could lure us in, which ig _kinda_ worked because I saw a lot of fans saying they were going to "See what it's like" when it dropped, so idk. But seriously, they could've called it something else. If I hadn't seen that was Winx, if someone showed me a trailer, no dialogue, I wouldn't think that's Winx at all.

[@Nulmyra]

Apparently the actress who plays Terra was supposed to be flora but, they the backlash and quickly changed it or something. Idk it's just a rumor I've heard.

[@morivice6835]

She was the og casting call was for Flora they changed it to avoid backlash but its still whitewashing because they replaced a woc

[@sweetpixiesmile]

Love your thoughtful and insightful takedown/breakdown. I was never a WInx fan (was in a different place at the time) but I was interested. Boys v Girl is so stupid when it comes to media. JUST BE GOOD (and have decent PR) and the audience will show up.

[@magicwinxcrow2612]

They should have named Be A Trix Wot The Fuk.

[@natnuss98]

It just hits diffrent when you said "It just felt more mature because it was less girly" that hit hard.

[@heartbeattoya1718]

Why am I just noticing that the author of the hypothetical book series Faerie Chronicles is called Ima Fakename 🤣🤣

[@fairlysam1238]

If power rangers managed to have a transformation sequence I don't know what was holding them up

[@AbbyGuard]

Subbed, because you gave me a heart attack with the W.I.T.C.H. question. The poor girls already suffered through 1 bad adaption... just the flashbacks of Blunk....

[@ancalyme]

Fate is already the name of a gigantic franchise, they couldn't even be original with the name.

[@RoseArcanum]

6 minutes into the video and I completely forgot this was a Winx video lol

[@tedcharleceus9753]

What's the point of having a shield if people can just leave

[@ladytopaz6358]

Ikr?! Magix (I think that’s it’s original name) wasn’t even connected to Earth. Bloom and Stella in like the first episode had to go through this magic postcard thing to get to Magix.

[@onlymeganeliza]

What made Winx so amazing was the amazing fashion, bright colors, diversity, and the strong bond the girls had. You could tell that these characters genuinely cared for and about each other. These young ladies were smart, gorgeous, kind hearted, and became heroes of their world not because they were born into it, but because they CHOSE to take a stand and protect their world. Seeing women step into heroic roles while maintaining their femininity was unheard of, especially for younger women. The Winx weren’t overly sexualized, and each of them looked like real people in our world.

[@sarahtelles1931]

Finally, someone who also appreciates the Josie and the Pussycats movie for what it is

[@rheathecreative5612]

This will be a little long but things need to be said: I got recommended your channel mainly due to AMY LEE. I saw you comment on her channel about butterfly clips and I fully agree on that haha. This is my first video of yours I am watching and I adore your personality so much. Now about this whole Winx deal. I feel like I have to ask this question: Why is EVERY show targeted towards teenagers dark and moody as fuck? We want, nay NEED colors here. Speaking of color, outfits. This looks so fucking dull. The setting for this show is dull as well. Okay moving on. I COULD NOT deal with white-washing here. The reason we felt attached to these characters was because of their diversity and their connection to each other. Hollywood has a history of racism and only casting white actors and actresses who are cast with portraying EVERY RACE OTHER THAN THEIR OWN. The fact there is no Asian representation is a crime. Also getting rid of Techna. Does the subject of science not exist?! Replacing one actress with one that is yes plus sized, but is also white. All adults here are apathetic pieces of trash. It's no wonder why the kids are like this.

[@TheCardboardStarship]

Seriously, they had to know that people would be upset about the white-washing. They either didn't care or thought that any publicity is good publicity.

[@anjelee932]

literally the show would’ve been fine if it wasn’t marketed under winx LIKE THERES NO SIMILARITIES APART FROM THE NAMES😭😭 but nostalgia marketing🤪🤪

[@fantasticplanet2002]

I was binging your stuff yesterday! now I've been blessed with brand new content! this has to be one of my favourite video essays ever. I live the way you interwove different themes and instances of the dark reimagining

[@Aishyo]

☺️😘

[@extratao50]

You mentioned princess tutu you made me super happy love it 😭😭

[@tedra3493]

That was such a good anime and my friends won't watch it because of the title

[@dc7981]

Princess tutu was the OG madoka

[@mushroomshrub]

This is the first of your videos I've seen, and I hit subscribe the moment you started talking about Precure lol. Nodoka and Rabirin's conversation in the latest HealPre episode was way more mature than anything Fate and its faux edgy adultness could hope to manage.

[@cherrybepsi]

yessss, gonna go get a coffee and settle in 😌☕

[@anelf3767]

As an OG Winx fan, I already expected trash when I heard they purposefully changed Terra to Flora's cousin because they heard that people were upset that a yt woman replaced our favorite Latina. I tried watching the show a few nights ago with as open a mind as possible. It started off pretty well until the part where "Bloom" in ep. 1 sneaked out to "learn" her powers despite various warnings and almost killed Aisha. Not even a proper apology afterwards. I was further appalled when she told the story of almost killing her parents. I'm naturally introverted. I'd be upset if my parents tried to force me to open up too. Upset enough to indirectly almost get them killed? No. Or when she asks questions/explains situations to others in hopes of getting an answer then when she gets the answer, if she doesn't agree with it which is 9/10, she overreacts and creates unnecessary drama. After getting through half of ep. 2, I had to leave. The color choice that seems more witch-y, Bloom's poorly written character and unnecessary drama which, the time dedicated to starting that, could be used to show much more important, impactful mature themes and Aisha being the only POC and redeemable character. They all brought me mental pain to watch. Shocked me when I heard Netflix was making a S2 because of how well it did in the states. No surprise since, from my knowledge of previous shows, most Americans have shitty taste.

[@Eline77R]

Actually, the last episode is quite good. I agree where you are coming from and all other comments/critique, but watching the last episode kinda makes me believe that there is hope for this series after all (if they take note of all these comments and make a LOT of changes). Do recommend you sitting it out since it is only six episodes

[@anelf3767]

@@Eline77R Funny, I was actually telling myself that I might return. I heard they miraculously become bffs in the last ep and that might just leave hope for s2 being a bit more accurate. I'll give it another shot sometime tonight!

[@Eline77R]

@@anelf3767 I agree that things feel overly rushed in all episodes and especially the last one, but in my opinion, they do get better... not to say that the problems are gone because they are def not and they still need to fix the storyline for Aisha because there just isn’t one now, but overall, I think you’ll like the last episode more than the first ones.

[@emmaa4899]

great video! really engaging!

[@vanityplates5155]

Ok but your idea with the transformation change would have been so cool!!! Like have the power to "defeat " the burned ones be when you work together and not alone. (Cause it could tie back to why the other older specialist and fairies couldn't "defeat" them back in the war.) Also, that could tie into one of elements of the oringal show too.

[@therhythmictale5574]

Normalize blaming everything on Batman

[@ma.2089]

Ehh, I’d say that Bloom was also a SUPER DUPER SPECIAL CHOSEN ONE in the cartoons too. Special powers, special princess, special destiny. She took over the show more and more, I remember being shocked that in s4 she was the main singer of the band they made when Musa was literally THE music girl the entire series. Most storylines in the series revolved around her. So whatever this terrible show did to make Bloom super special, it wasn’t anything crazy when the original series was the same.

[@natnuss98]

true but you can ignore the bloom stuff until season 3 because it makes sense for her to look for her parents. but with season 4 it became so overbearing.

[@ma.2089]

@@natnuss98 yeah, I didn’t mind until season 4. While the first 3 season’s plot was almost directly tied into her past, powers, etc. the movie ends up wrapping up that plot line. Then season 4 comes, the focus should be on Roxy and there should be focus on Bloom as she was raised on earth, it’s like they forgot the established stuff from previous seasons and forced her into the main role when she didn’t need it. I stopped watching after s4, after they killed of Layla/Aisha’s bf, one of the only competent guys on the show. I know there was another movie, probably all about Bloom again, and I know they sorta forgot about Roxy when s5 came. Idk what happened next but Bloom was ALWAYS the focus and special one.

[@bluebutton7263]

THANK YOU for talking about PGSM! I recently introduced a good friend of mine to PGSM and we finished our together-apart-watching of PGSM a few weeks ago just before Fate was released. Both of us grew up on Winx Club, both of us deeply love and enjoy the magical girl genre and we talked so much about the teaser and trailer of Fate and both of us were so sad that this show obviously wouldn't stay faithful to the sourcematerial. PGSM would have been an amazing role model for a live action adaptation of Winx. All the clues and instructions on how to approach it and make it more mature without losing any of its charme or humour were there but heeey - why should we get creative and try to figure out how to stay true to the original when we can just copy the dark, gritty, edgy formula for the 100th time? It is very nice to see someone else appreciating PGSM for what it is. And I totally agree that we as a society need to stop treating "girly stuff" as less mature than "boys' stuff". I will defend my magical girls and cheezy romcoms anytime. Thank you for this amazing video! :)

[@Pooky1991]

I never watched Young Justice because I wasn't watching much TV at the time, but I remember hearing about the reason for why that show was canceled and it infuriated me. And these companies wonder why many animators and viewers were flocking to streaming services or online platforms to make creative shows and animations. Executive meddling killed alot of good properties.

[@drawnseeker]

I love W.I.T.C.H and grew up with the 4kids dub of Winx and I loved them both. I wish the live action version of Winx wasn't so souless. I hope W.I.T.C.H. get's a fun adaption.

[@icecreamhero2375]

9:44 Subversion is great but you don't have to hate the old stuff.

[@YoshuaYoshoka]

Exactly

[@myjoy9088]

Fate was sad. Not really bad it was ok it wasn't good either just sad. Why they gotta do us like that?

[@mirre3704]

Marked industries: * Gets so angry that girls dont buy toys that they cancel shows* Also marked industries: *Dosnt give the girls time to buy anything cause soon as they see girls in audience they cry.* yes i talking to you teen titans :(

[@not_them]

Ok, but I LOVE that you mentioned Pushing Daisies. I loved that show

[@MaskedFox-ln4vc]

It was frustrating to hear that some of my beloved cartoons might have been canceled because they had more female watchers than male;;;; It truly puts things into perspective.... By the way, wonderful analysis ♥ Truth be told I wouldn't mind griddy and dark W.I.T.C.H adaptation, because comics were pretty dark and had some serious topics.

[@si-bells6036]

I hated the romance in the show like Stella had Brandon. They were so cute. Sky liked bloom from the beginning, and seeing their relationship blossom was amazing. I don’t like that they changed Flora’s name... they named her Terra but Terra later said that she had a aunt named flora... what was the point of chasing her name!!!! And bloom hurting her parents?! That’s sooo cap. She loved them so much that whenever they would get involved in fairy business she would feel bad. I can’t believe they did that. And where is kiko?!??? Where is her companion and friend. I’m crying. Ahhh and the trixs.... I miss them bro. Bloom was never ‘special’ in the animated series and that was great she was a princess but so was half the squad. And the friendship killed me Stella and Bloom are the best friends of the show. They loved each other a lot!!! I hate that the show did that to Stella sure she was bratty sometimes in the AS but she was never that mean when bloom was asking her things she loved explaining things to bloom. I could go on forever....

[@nao.mive99]

When I was a kid and I discovered that Winx were an Italian creation (I am Italian) I was so so proud. I remember that my uncle who used to live in Slovakia at the time, brought me a Winx blanket as a present and I was shocked and pleased to discover they were also known outside of Italy. However I think it will come as no surprise that I am so very disappointed by this Netflix adaptation that has nothing to do with Winx apart from the name. There was so much potential and it was wasted.

[@Clearbluejay]

Wow, I wasn't expecting such a thorough analysis! It is super sad that they dont think girls will buy action figures. Growing up in the 80s/early 90s I could never find female action figures (i think because the middle aged men were buying them) all they have to do to sell girls more action figures is to add, "hair play" just make the hair brushable instead of molded plastic. Anyway lots of great points. I think there is potential for the show to improve, I believe they will listen to us, (the fans) and if not we can always hope for the next attempt -like I'm still hoping for an Xmen with neon spandex. 💖

[@TheDeadCobraTheDeadCobra]

When it comes to Winx Club i never watched to many seasons but i watched when i was young and i liked it, i did not became a fan but liked it I do not trust the 8th season best to watch 1-5 season and 6-7 at your own chose but ignore 8th season This gridy fake edgy remake is a load of crap they should not have chosen to make it a Winx series but something its own it would not have needed to be this bad

[@stephaniessilva3966]

Wasn't expecting for my all time favourite tv show Pushing Daisies to be mentioned in a Fate: the Winx Saga review!

[@DaalMakhani]

I hated Bloom. Of course, other characters were unlikable but Bloom gave me a lot Feyre from ACOTAR vibes if you know what I mean.

[@Eline77R]

To be fair, if I remember correctly from my childhood, a lot of people hated bloom too when the original first season came out ... that’s the thing when one of them is more special and all the other characters were less important. That is only critique that I don’t agree with, simply because it has just always been this way. It was just less prevalent in the later seasons. The thing making me mad in this version (Fate) is the Aisha trope and multiple other stereotypes, but actually not how bloom is portrayed. I mean, she could have been more understanding and caring to others and perhaps slightly less onedimensional, but I believe all the characterdevelopments are really somethings for later seasons, as this felt really rushed.

[@DaalMakhani]

@@Eline77R I understand what you're saying but I was comparing her to Feyre from ACOTAR which is a book. Their characters were similar and Feyre is one of the worst written characters ever. People who have read the books may know what I'm trying to say.

[@Eline77R]

@@DaalMakhani Oh right sorry, I haven't read it myself but I know the critique on the books since some of my friends love/hate it.

[@DaalMakhani]

@@Eline77R yeah live action bloom is just unnecessarily mean.

[@aperson9576]

Tbh the biggest insult is them being all "Boys can be fairies now and girls can be specialists" like the show never said they couldn't? Literally one of the professors in the first season literally has control over a magical virtual reality machine and he was a guy. Hell they have literal dude angels in the show that can do magic and warlocks. The only things that were all girls were the pixies.

[@BeesAreNeat.]

how do you not have more subscribers? The quality of your videos is increadible, and your videos are so fun to watch!

[@jadespades4237]

Winx I was actually ok with them murdering because ever since they changed Darcy's voice actress it wasn't the same. W.I.T.C.H. has a special spot in my inner tween heart. I really hope they don't

[@britneymorgan9462]

My mind was blown when you mentioned Tower Prep. I loved that show growing up. Learning the reason why the show was canceled was heartbreaking. They need to bring the show back

[@LillyxTopaz]

Shooot, W.I.T.C.H. was already pretty dark and gritty in the books/comics

[@jayisabluebird]

thank u for talking about magical girls omg. I was actually introduced to the genre through madoka magica (I had brushes with sailor moon and cardcaptor sakura bc my best friend was heavy into them, but I never consumed them myself.) I recently got into precure though and oh my god. I love it. i'm now diving headfirst into all the girl magical girl shit and I'm loving it. I wish I could've gotten into it when i was younger, I would've loved it

[@Aishyo]

That's great you should check out Eryn Cerise channel she does a series about this history of magical girls so informative introduced me to some retro series that I never heard of.