Why the Natlan Arc Finale Left Fans Disappointed

[@vjbd2757]

For an Archon who's actually human, Mav is currently the least compelling and the least flawed Archon.

[@FarosYT]

That’s what I realized. She’s a human but she was close to perfection which is odd. She barely made any mistakes in this entire arc. It’s hard to believe she’s a human when she barely shows human qualities. Seeing her sister after 500 years, 0 emotion.

[@hurrdurr1888]

@@FarosYT Almost like your typical Mary Sue

[@ajharris2690]

@@FarosYT fr Iike they had furina that shows they couId do it right

[@Stormraider821]

@@FarosYT I remember bringing that topic up a few times whenever I talked about her as one of the reasons why I didn't gribe with her. A common defense people use is that she's supposed to be a war leader. She can't show weakness. Its a time of war, so she must be perfect. There's nothing wrong with the way she's portrayed because of it.

[@jaydengladden8938]

@@Stormraider821but no human is peak perfection, and Mavuika barely got anything wronf

[@CountMonsparkle]

Capitano didn't even appear at all in the quest, just at the very end to be a Deus Ex Machina because Hoyoverse didn't want to kill off their perfect Mary Sue biker character.

[@jonathantio8219]

Ororon and capitano just casually spawn there just to let capitano sacrifice.

[@akarifuyuki9763]

The whole talk in front of Ronova is funny, imo. Maybe because I thought of her as frightening being. She is the Ruler of Death, one of the shade of Heavenly Principle. Yet people spawned one after another and had "chill" discussion.

[@ZeHoovy2595]

Ngl she should have died instead of Capitano, idc that it was a better outcome story wise, it just feels so wrong, capitano is a cool badass character with a pretty good backstory, but Mavuika just feels like a stronk biker girl and i dont even remember anything about her backstory at all.

[@ahnhyungseobhaveyoulearnth8286]

dawei getting more involved definitely was a mistake. i remember people saying him taking over would make genshin less greedy but its gotten worse AND the story quality has dropped too. like, it feels like natlan wasnt supposed to be like this.

[@Blue-Code]

It isn't the first time Hoyoverse used a Deus Ex Machina nor it would not be the last.

[@AvadaKedavra-hr6ys]

What makes this worse is that he’s number 1 of the harbingers. Grand master varka explaining how strong he is made everyone excited. But lo and behold, bro barely had any screen time, he only had one fight and he just dies as an npc unplayable side character😐

[@ziephel-6780]

This same Harbinger is the same guy that everyone else in Snezhnaya apparently respects like Childe, or even Scaramouche. But in reality with how he's turned out now....would they really?

[@bravo6going702]

Well, there was lore behind it, many ppl just didnt know it or payed attention to it, if im not wrong within the 5 hundreds of years capitano lived, his ppl decreased alot, if im not wrong his current power was around 10-18% of his original

[@akarifuyuki9763]

​@@bravo6going702Even with this decreasing strength, Capitano is still the strongest. Varka said Capitano probably could kill ruin guard with only Klee's chalk is after he met him in Shneznaya, means Capitano with 10-15% of his full power is still that strong. Other Harbingers also talked about this current Capitano.

[@bunnytokki_]

The lack of facial expressions is another thing made everything felt flat for me. The part Mavuika finally met up with her sister again with her face and expression still somehow looks confident and expressionless is just diabolical. The dialogue didn't make up for it too, it felt like they're just catching up instead of a touching and dramatic moment.

[@Tempest27]

Lazy devs

[@1.loveArt]

I haven't played it yet but I saw some cutscenes. Even navia arguing with neuvillette had more emotions than wth that was lmao.

[@bunnytokki_]

@1.loveArt even the npc in fontaine during the trials had so much emotion of being shocked, angry, and sadness than whatever Mavuika was doing. It felt like she knew she was gonna win so no need for her to feel sad or even anxious that she's in the final battle, the 'Nah i'd win' meme is fitting for her.

[@1.loveArt]

@bunnytokki_ now I need someone make her into a kit kat while capitano or that dragon is standing.

[@razornad1299]

Strongest human and strongest harbinger…. But the game don’t show anything about how strong he is and what is his power or something 1 fight and he die that all ….

[@ZeHoovy2595]

Greatest waste of a badass character

[@ancalyme]

fr he was only the "strongest" to make Mavuika seem even stronger for beating him without breaking a sweat or impacting ability to throw out deus ex machina after deus ex machina every patch...

[@razornad1299]

@@ancalyme she just marry sue

[@backpackpepelon3867]

Bro become fodder just to show how strong mav is in the end

[@razornad1299]

@@backpackpepelon3867 she's marry sue in the game can do anything without any consequences... Even her gameplay can do anything other char can

[@Moomoo0410]

Mavuika not having one moment of BEING VULNERABLE AND HELPLESS is one of the aspect i find lacking in her throughout the archon quest, she always triumphs at the end with ease...

[@ZeHoovy2595]

Aka the "strongest" character done wrong

[@ziephel-6780]

Mavuika is just another Rey

[@GabsGee]

Mary sue archon

[@ultragaming1650]

Remember the Pyro Gnosis is still out there and there's speculation that Columbina will get the Pyro Gnosis which is kinda exciting if that's going to happen and what's scary is Columbina is very dangerous. Maybe Columbina will defeat Mavuika it's going to be her very first defeat this will show her that's she's not a mary sue or a character who is very strong that's she's unstoppable.

[@ZeHoovy2595]

@ Well if that's the case then its kinda too fricking late

[@maddogc_games]

Inuzuma felt more of Country of war than Natlan. In Inuzuma story we saw more conflict between armies than in Natlan.

[@Stormraider821]

It's kind of funny, that at the start, I remember some people were saying the opposite, and bashing Inazuma, claiming that Natlan is how you do a proper war story. I never thought that it would somehow circle back in this manner.

[@amari7782]

@@Stormraider821really depends on what you’re looking for, because Natlan does do it right because it also hshow cases the after math and its effects on the people but it’s just handled very poorly

[@Frailchip]

@@amari7782 I laughed when I saw them showcase how many deaths there were through a fricking ingame leaderboard kills stats. that took me out of it and it felt so lazy like im aware they show the effects after but they literally coulda just not shown the statistics.

[@amari7782]

@ wait they actually did that

[@Frailchip]

@@amari7782 they unfortunately did. you can search natlan death count, and I was fr like "oh wow so serious!"

[@Bakagii]

to people saying it makes sense for a motor cycle since we have robots, flying ships, and google, keep in mind kaenria is the MOST technologically advanced nation and is now considered ANCIENT LOST TECH so not anyone can remake them. The flying ship in fontaine speaks for itself, fontaine is a technologically advanced nation that's been built up to be full of enginers years before we even got the place. As for the akasha google, that shit is literally powered by the archon and is made by the first who's alrd gone, plus sumeru is a land full of scholars so ofc they'd be technologically advanced. We have NOT gotten any prior build up to natlan other than it's the nation of war, no sniplets of natlan NPC's nor any teasers of what the nation might be Other than there's dragons and there's war going on. So when you get there and suddenly everyone has a fcking mount before other technologically advanced nations, it just feels undeserved and out of place. The only explanation given is that fcking xilonen made things which is just shallow asf.

[@mr.edelweiss]

And the only thing we all knew about Natlan is the trailer long ago that a character is wearing a somewhat primitive outfit, natlan is called the nation of war and a place where dragons mostly live... Then reality hits, we got a pokemon rip off world with an overall story of my little pony equestria 💀

[@Creeperific]

Playable characters don't feel like they belong to natlan. Think of it as Mr beast team as the playable characters in Africa and the locals there as the NPCs.

[@sushi3620]

It also doesn't help that it's only the playable cast we mostly see with these advanced tech. The technology in other regions isn't limited to the cast which is why everything feels so abrasive in natlan. We have engineers in fontaine and scholars in sumeru coupled with the fact that gods of sumeru represent knowledge so the advanced tech makes sense (plus the fact that it's presented in a fantastical enough sense for it not to seem weird)

[@DT-yw4ob]

Wait until you read Mavuika's character stories and teapot dialogues if you think what we were shown was Mary Sue energy. She's also apparently so good at puzzles that she stopped sharing her findings because researchers (PEOPLE WHO DEDICATE THEIR LIFE TO THIS STUFF) from the Akademya were using it to write papers. Smh who wrote her 😂

[@martk647]

Peaked at Fontaine and now falling a steep fall😂.

[@SaltyLovee]

What bothered me the most about the Natlan archon quest is the need of an ancient name for the Traveler. Correct me if I got the memo wrong, but the sole reason we had to forge an ancient name is to protect the Traveler from dying in the final battle (using the Ode of Resurrection.) Except in the fight against Gosoythoth, there was never any tension or suspection the Traveler would actually die in the cutscenes. It would make it so much more compelling if Traveler fell at some point, and Mavuika would visibly struggle to guard them while also fending off the boss' relentless attacks (and y'know, maybe use her motorbike DURING the battle.) And when the Traveler revives, it fulfills the purpose of the ancient name THAT WE SPENT A MAJORITY OF THE ENTIRE NATLAN STORY PREPARING FOR. Also it irks me that the climax was just another 'power of friendship' move, which I guess is fine because Natlan is all about unity, but man, it just does not hit hard when nowhere in the fight were Mavuika and Traveler seriously on the verge of failing and needing outside help. The fact that the final battle and Ronova/Capitano scenes were shorter than the beginning filler and sloggish celebrations is just...bruh. OH AND ANOTHER THING! The Lord of Eroded Primal Fire was a barely explained boss iirc (which sucks cuz it's my favorite weekly boss sequence so far). All I understood is that the Abyss mimicked the Pyro Dragon Sovereign, which is such a cool concept, and yet in the story, it felt like it was treated as a mere obstacle that most players will easily defeat within ten minutes. Plus, I didn't even know that the boss was mimicking the voices of the previous pyro archons until I found that out from youtube comments. Natlan was rushed in the best parts and dragged in the worst with only a FEW exceptions. Goddamn Hoyo 😭

[@himeoftwili]

Natlan was honestly what made me nearly quit the game after trying to defend this game and its story for so long.. 6.x is going to be a thin thread for me. You're not even allowed to criticise anything about 5.x it without being considered a hater, or in "favouritism" of another game. Unfortunately, I noticed this mentality prevalent back when Kingdom Hearts III released. Played and loved that series from day one, but the long awaited KH3 was horrendous. Any criticism was met with "you're wrong", "it's perfect", "you just hate it because it's popular." We are even more so in an era where fandoms are so stubborn they're willing to allow the quality of their games/products to decline by being blinded with rose coloured glasses. Natlan felt terrible all around: punishing players for saving primos, punishing exploration for not choosing characters. No, the saurians are not the same quality. Many players have grown tired of the yap fest the story has become. Either be active in your story telling, or commit to the Dark Souls route. Stop dancing in between for unnecessary dialogue, rushed plotlines, and backburning characters. People need to understand, criticism, and pushback is something devs and companies NEED for improvements. I still love Genshin and have played it for years, but I wont lie that games like Wuthering Waves being amazing competition didn't bring some QoL improvements. YEARS later. It's just not enough. Mihoyo was sitting atop a monopoly far too long. Gachas are predatory by nature, and the new banners really show it. The terribly rushed region, retconned lore (comic), "power of friendship" AQ, region locked exploration behin premium characters, etc are problems the playerbase needs to address. They might gloss over it now, but it will worsen, and players will be taken further advantage of down the line. Especially if you're a dedicated player. You deserve better.

[@ziephel-6780]

The problem is, gacha system is the antithesis of story-telling, character growth and meaningful arcs don't feed revenue and banners. Even Wuthering Waves struggles with this as well, I suspect. But I think Kuro is more redeemable than Mihoyo because at least they are trying to listen to feedback.

[@yourpokefriend7740]

after natlans dog shit night soul mechanism i shift to wuthering waves and got carlotta in 10 pulls😂😅

[@ZeHoovy2595]

It felt so weightless, like there was nothing on the line even after the 5.1 or whatever version that was when the abyss invaded natlan, i think that was 10 times better because you felt that something is actually going on, you saw with your own eyes death count going up and monster count going up and everything going out of control, though the end of that quest was meh too, mavuika popped a cool buff or someshit and we won and das about it

[@twistedfate9475]

I’m not the type of person who plays the game solely for the story. I also enjoy the characters and gameplay. The main reason I’m still playing Genshin Impact to this day is because I’ve invested so much time and effort into the game, and my goal to collect all the Archons still keeps me going. However, every time I try to progress and collect Primogems, they always lock it behind endless yapping. It’s even worse when the quest involves characters I don’t like. Nowadays, the gameplay in Genshin Impact feels like nothing more than a right-click simulator. To make matters worse, they’ve started giving time-limited bonus rewards to force players into completing the story during the patch. Sure, HoYo finally increased the total free Primogems per patch, but they’ve tied those Primogems to FOMO, making players feel obligated to do quests. It’s really starting to become unbearable at this point.

[@josefmadrid960]

that is legit the sunken cost fallacy you seek to stick to something that u don't have fun in because u invested so much time in it, it is better to leave and spend ur time other place u enjoy, ur paying with ur time remember, either hope u stay safe

[@Hoyo_Finally_Rerunning_PJC]

("It’s even worse when the quest involves characters I don’t like") You mean random npc 90% of the time.

[@snowflak6173]

thats why after getting mavuika and citlali, i decided to retired from Genshin... we gave them chances to fix and make it good in natlan. instead its so minimum and changes feel lackluster plus it took them 4 years... well they are good honestly, but its just unbearable atleast for me.

[@snowflak6173]

at this time genshin feel like chore then actual game the FOMO its just too much...

[@ZeHoovy2595]

Sisyphus incarnate

[@mic0w0]

ever since 5.0 i already had a feeling that Natlan AQ will disappoint me. I went in expecting a nation of war, and the very first quest we got we had to babysit a freakin literal child through a tournament to fight the abyss. and she was so annoying all the time, like what is this saturday morning cartoon storyline.

[@stevenys234]

You really play the story? It's a war with abyss, many casualty in the end

[@mic0w0]

@ you really read my comment? I said 5.0

[@ziephel-6780]

@@stevenys234 "NPC" casualties that will be forgotten after leaving the region.

[@ziephel-6780]

A mid story is a forgettable story. That's the reality. There is no middle or in-between when storytelling is involved, its either memorable or it isn't, and I don't see Natlan lasting for very long after Snezhnaya

[@Sillyuaywhoaa]

dude, i hate how the fans defending this colorful goddamn setting of Natlan. It's a Nation of WAR. Not Nation of Games, not Nation of Graffiti, not Nation of Colors. Why is this shit of a Nation look like Disneyland? Where're the damages caused by constant wars? It looks like nothing even happened. And for a Region of PYRO, first thing you see is Geo. Also, in Teyvat's Timeline Teaser, The fire color in Iansan's art looks MUCH better than the main color of fire we have now.

[@ziephel-6780]

Not the Nation of Edginess either. People like to make fun of angsty characters, but there's a difference between angsty and edgy. Natlan is anything but angst.

[@Creeperific]

About the war arc: traveler in the lore is able to use teleport waypoints at free will, so why didnt they use them in the first place? Story didnt even mention about the teleport waypoints being unable to use while the abyss was invading. Traveling in a hot air balloon is stupid

[@ancalyme]

And Chasca, Mavuika and Citlali can all fly, they could have dealt with every single one of those nodes while we were sightseeing on a hot air balloon Chasca especially can just airbomb them all.

[@leongwaikit6658]

My only criticism is that Capitano should have fought along side with the traveller and Mavuika on the final boss.

[@jonathantio8219]

For real, the entire capitino sacrifice is just plot point to replace mavuika death and that it.

[@BiBiren]

Its funny when the art they used in their launcher app in this patch has Capitano joining the fight against Gosythoth (squint and you'll notice) I've learned not to trust trailers (ever since watching the Marvel's Infinity War) but HOLY SHT that art is so misleading asf😂

[@banex_x8374]

One thing I don’t understand when it comes to these genshinshills. Why do they choose to watch videos of people criticizing the game if theyre only going to respond with hate? They can choose to simply not watch the video and continue on with their life but it’s like they’re obsessed with people who don’t like the game and they want to force everybody to love the story. Calling anybody a “hater” because their opinion is different from yours is an immature way to handle disagreements. Really shows how childish genshin community is

[@ziephel-6780]

*gasps* how dare this hater point out the obvious truth, the shills are gonna hunt you now 😂

[@vengeancewillbemine2104]

coz they got nothing to do in their life except defending their multi billion dollar company

[@stevenys234]

I won't take wuwa glazer opinion seriously, just looks at this channel videos, typical wuwashill, wuwa players just bunch of hoyo haters,even their criticism is valid, their intention is malicious, they want genshin die and not improving, I won't consider that as criticism, it's assault to all genshin players

[@ziephel-6780]

@@stevenys234 Intent is nothing without action to give it purpose.

[@banex_x8374]

@@stevenys234 “even if their criticism is valid” your comment should’ve ended right there. You admitting that his critiques are valid why tf are you still mad? Typical genshinshill y’all just mad cause y’all want everybody to glaze genshin and if they don’t glaze the game they’re a wuwa shill that’s why genshin is dying. Being called a wuwa shill is a badge of honor at this point because I would rather shill for a game that’s actually worth it vs shilling for a game that’s a waste of time

[@alreadyd1d]

Traveler was wearing crown during the celebration, but it disappeared right after, so no, it isn't a permanent customisation option, like Rover's carnival mask.

[@Flam-uz5if]

Everyone's been asking for a simple customization like that since Kazari's quest can't believe they still haven't implemented that om

[@ZeHoovy2595]

At this point i think Wuwa devs are just trolling lol

[@Echoarisa]

actually you can use the carnival mask its literally on your backpack in the quest items and you can use it permanently

[@alreadyd1d]

@@Echoarisa re-read my comment again. I literally said that.

[@sanriokuu6557]

It's not even how "modern" it is, if that's the extent to Natlans problems it wouldn't be as horrible- its the fact that it's almost like genshin cant decide what they want. We have Mavuika on a motorcycle and Chasca on a flying gun- every character has these cool exploration mechanics but.. when you do the fight the war in the archon quest.. you ride a slow ass hot air balloon? You don't see the people of Natlan fighting with that same technology? It all feels so out of place because it's implemented SO poorly and it shows they just don't care about Natlan other than selling the characters. The worst part? This isn't the end of it, if the ARCHON quest was this bad and out of place and filled with filler imagine how the actual story filler quests will be.

[@ajharris2690]

fr whats worse is neither sumeru or fontaine had this when they wouId have better reasons for said weapons

[@liacross1184]

Right. Honestly, it feels like they had original plans that were darker and had more depth in terms of story. I remember reading the lore from the pyro ascention crystal material and feeling excited for a war-torn nation with an archon that embodies war. And don't get me started on the disappointment that was Capitano's character.

[@melvinalexanderzenojr.2998]

Mav is basically this game's Escanor from the Seven Deadly Sins, but without the appeal, PRIDE and personality that makes her memorable based on the comments im seeing so far. She has a ruler vibe of being "Human" with great powers of the Sun/Solar energy that makes you question if she is really human or the PINNACLE OF MANKIND (Couldn't help but put in that reference). I cant stress how many parallels this girl has to Escanor, especially the reference of her Archon traits near to Escanor's hidden Angel power. I wonder WHO DECIDED to inspire this character? Who decided that!? Lol!

[@zhongliswallet6241]

Mauvika feels like she has main-character syndrom and that made her annoying, they make her seem too Strong for the fact that she's still just a mortal, yeah she ascended and has archon powers but idk if she should have been able to beat up Capitano that easily and then still go on saying "I wasn't even using full power 🙄" and she never got injured once! I get that they try to make her look cool and powerful but they kinda made her look unrealistic for the mère mortal she still is. Also (for example) she has a stubborn and overconfident personality till the point if there wasn't anyone else saving the day she would have failed, yet they try to glamorize that character flaw. Every other archon has a character flaw yet she's picture perfect and then give her a sad backstory to make her more relatable. It's lazy...yet lore-heavy and compelling Characters like Capitano get killed off? Capitano has been done so DIRTY

[@bravo6going702]

funny how capitano only had around 18% of his prime powers left and mauvika was just garbage, we literally saw it in their fight

[@ziephel-6780]

I swear if Mavuika gets as popular as Raiden Shogun just because she's a waifu... Ah, who cares. The popularity ratings on her will be a way to show how many brain-dead people there are.

[@Ferrari03]

@@ziephel-6780 the writing for Mavuika is so ass, I don’t even wanna have her as a waifu. Plus, she has the most uninteresting designs out of all the archon we met so far

[@ShogunResu]

HSR had a playable character die and that was Misha but you can still play as him.

[@AvadaKedavra-hr6ys]

Misha had close to 0 screen time. They kill off characters we barely know and have close to 0 interactions with. It’s a joke

[@shonenhikada9254]

Misha doesnt exist. Hes a dream character.

[@bravo6going702]

same with gallgaher and tingyun

[@ZeHoovy2595]

@@bravo6going702 dont count tingyun she got dug up out of the ground to be re-sold making her initial death meaningless as if it had any in a first place

[@ancalyme]

​@@AvadaKedavra-hr6ysSo did Kinich and Xilonen, they could have killed them

[@zuul81]

I could play genshin again if only they gave us the skip button because I still think genshin environment are pretty and worth exploring. But all that yapping feels like torture.😢

[@godzillaronispizzapalace6323]

It was so ass bruh how is fontaine better in every way I could possibly think of

[@RueRyuzaki_]

fontaine was peak

[@Aryan-qv5qk]

Fontaine was only a 7/10 on replay

[@Hoyo_Finally_Rerunning_PJC]

Sumeru = New element Fontaine = Diving Natlan = Paywall mechanic

[@amari7782]

@@Aryan-qv5qkto be fair most of the archon quests make little sense on repeat

[@ajharris2690]

@@Hoyo_Finally_Rerunning_PJC fr these unit's get buffed in this region compared to geting another type of map and a new gapIay mechancit it's just to good

[@p4ntom87]

wuwa 2.0: absolute cinema natlan: absolute ass

[@Duhgel]

Daw your profile picture is taking me out

[@onelasada1707]

Kachina should be in the trailer instead of Iansan. Honestly, Kachina is my favorite character in Natlan.

[@nikolasikora1952]

That singing element in trailer are so weird. I don't know but they cringed me so bad.

[@leonakalionking]

To be honest, i think the devs should've focused more on hyping up the traveller's weapon change from Dull Blade to Prototype Rancour, cuz that's the real shii 🔥🗡️

[@GabsGee]

What happened to the vulnerable immortal beings? Mavuika is too perfect. She is literally a Mary sue. We’ve seen Venti almost cry n thinking of his dead friend whom he took the form of. How about Zhongli and being tired and wanting a peaceful life? And his credit card debt-…. I mean his need to start over? Or Raiden who was so hurt about losing her sister she kept the whole nation under her grasp as he own weird way of protecting it. Or Nahida who just wanted to be seen by her people. Who just wanted a friend and showed us her vulnerable side when Rukkatevatta died right in front of her. Or Furina who went literally insane playing the part of Hydro archon for 500 years. Dying inside because she couldn’t tell anyone. We actually see her go mad. Mavuika is just a Mary sue straight from deviant art. Mildly impressive design, well rendered, shitty writing. Do better, Hoyo. You gave us archons who seemed like people cursed with immortality. Why give us Mary sue mommmys now?

[@s981318]

I think the storywriter should apologize to the animator.

[@ixirion]

Natlan is nation of Hawai - everybody drinks, dances drives motorcycles, gushes cute animals, everything is colorful and cheerful, all the heroes are children 12-18 y old etc there is no war or danger or anything. its jsut boring and made for 10 y old but they will not suffer the mindless yapping in Mavuika quest Paymon was truly insuferbale and the quest was a joke.

[@EChere]

It’s hard to enjoy the story when some or most en characters aren’t even voiced

[@gamerhero9559]

The power of friendship is not that bad for stories as long it has a meaningful impact.

[@veingaming262]

Inazuma was flawed but peak genshin

[@ziephel-6780]

At least Inazuma showed grimness, at least Raiden Shogun had human flaws even if Mihoyo tried to brush them off. Natlan is anything but grim, and Mavuika is supposed to be an imperfect human having the responsibilities of an Archon like Furina. And yet Mavuika shows no display with the struggles of leadership. Instead we got neither of those, and the Abyss was what we were fighting in Natlan, not the Fatui. The Abyss is supposed to be taken seriously since it has ties to Khaenri'ah.. it's like we started playing a different game.

[@BlackCat-iw1kp]

"With the power of friendship" ahh story.

[@AlhaithamsWifu69]

For me, I loved the story but I respect your opinion, it wasn't perfect, there were some flawed things but it wasn't horrible

[@olivierkbidi4570]

Can be better

[@jacksonwww5]

The power of friendship just work in Kingdom Hearts

[@meddlecat]

I totally understand the critique for the trailers but ngl some of them have been the most fun yet. The trailers have gotten stale overtime so I think it’s totally fine to innovate.

[@cynicalmandate]

for me it's not simply that Natlan felt too modern, it just felt ridculous. Absurdist. Abrupt. And cliche. Your very generic, cliche, stand against evil trope featuring Captain Marvel as...Mavuika. Ironically, where I started not liking her bike, I LOVE her exploration...if only a bit underwhelming in that it doesn't last long. But I will never like her charge-attack gameplay. I wish they could just give me an alternate animation for it or something...

[@dianfor3400]

Game is so garbage it’s not even funny. Nation of war and not a single playable character died. The stakes aren’t high enough, it feels like a Disney game. Power of friendship so cringe. Show don’t tell!!!! Natlan was a disappointment.

[@novaboy1174]

I don't play Genshin anymore but man this is just chapter 4 in ZZZ isn't it? The motorbike, the after party, the vibes. I guess that's how i see it 😂

[@wifi961]

Yes, Genshin Natlan was just a commercial for ZZZ.

[@BiBiren]

​​@@wifi961i did say about this before, no one believed me😂 Even ZZZ had their own Mary Sue. I'm talking about Miyabi ofc

[@bravo6going702]

Dude i know genshills are literally unlimited content. But pwease gimme the ash echos video, i started this game cause of you, you cant leave me hanging like this

[@TheGarageFreak]

And here I thought I wouldn't see that Darling in the Franxx-type of Power of Friendshayt. Turns out I was wrong.

[@ryokyko]

Floplan

[@Gheniel_]

Land

[@mr.edelweiss]

​@@Gheniel_NOTlan

[@Gheniel_]

@@mr.edelweiss FlopLand did NotLand this landing🙏🏼😭 (That a joke, I dont think natlan is the worse of genshin but definitely fumbled).

[@mr.edelweiss]

​@@Gheniel_i still 100% find Inazuma as the worse region in genshin Monstadt is Basic Liyue is Mid Inazuma is STRAIGHT garbage Sumeru is okay... but tedious Fontaine is PEAK!! but ignore the 3rd act Batlan is a drop trvth nvk3 disappointing

[@bravo6going702]

Nutland

[@hirods9889]

there is one thing i hate with genshin... humans are always perfect and gods are flawed. And mavuika is the pinacle of that... The only human archon and the girl is literally perfect. No flaws, no doubt, no mistake, everything she does turn out good. (that animated short was ass, i'm sorry but it didn't work on me) Usually it's the traveler that inspire the Archons (to some extend at least) But mavuika is so perfect that she's the one who inspired the traveler.... Do everything alone in that case... And that ancient name BS... they harassed us since 5.0 with that shitty ancient name. and it turn out we didn't even use it....

[@dauntlessguts12_20]

Quit GI early in the Arlecchino banner after about 4 years of on and off play (previously took a break between 2.7 and came back on Navias banner) simply because I foresaw Wuwa grabbing all the time I used to spend on Genshin. Fontaine was great except for the terrible prison arc (I don't know how you make a prison arc bad but Hoyo did it) A part of why I stayed for so long was hype for characters like Varka but at this point I fully expect Varka to show up looking like the average Adventurers guild old man npc.

[@thegoldexperience8340]

To think devs still insists that skip button is unnecessary..............also this video can also apply the treatment of ifrit familia in hsr penacony arc imo.

[@nandog2597]

The Captain and his story carried this arc and after all that hype we can’t summon for him 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@ZetaMoolah]

Something I noticed, only EU/NA players seem split on Natlan. Most other languages seem happy. Interesting.

[@backpackpepelon3867]

NA and EU crowd hate Mary sue far more than other part of the world. Its clear sentiments based on Ring of powers, captain marvels and latest Star wars where's perfect characters is sold as main attraction. Asian especially, love these perfect human trope, you can see this in many isekai where's MC like jingwoo for example, just flawless and act cool all the time. In reddit or X, NA crowd always have group that loudly bashed solo leveling writing, but in Asia, its praised high most of the time.

[@zeydehemuiris5221]

Im a anime gacha player, and I agree with this guy, genshin is one of my favorite gacha game, my only issue in gacha games in story js that dialogue mostly are long, story would be better if dialogue are shorter, I also don't wanna skip because it might skip an important part, but I won't mind a skip button, when I make a new account, I just wanna skip the story I already know, and skip button is really good for players just wanna play the game and don't care about the story

[@nathanielmorey2800]

Inazuma was worse overall but it has so many iconic scenes I love to revisit from time to time, natlan doesn’t have any of that

[@JeffreySmiles_]

I started Genshin in the beginning of 2023 and only lasted for a year before I realized the story has potential, but the devs are lazy. The game has potential for improvement, but the devs are lazy. The end game could be the best of all gachas, but the devs are lazy. The character models have so much potential but it seemed by Natlan that they started becoming lazy with their designs that 5stars are bordering on looking like 4stars. And on top of that, the story could be so much better if you got fucking rid of Paimon. And then Wuwa came out and never looked back. 🤙

[@starkiller1289]

Can someone explain to me why would the god/arbitor whatever of death ever accept an immortal as a sacrifice? Why would they allow someone who displaced themselves in time and agreed to die once they did their thing to just pawn off their end of the bargain to another? Would it have been accepted if someone way on deaths door anyway? It doesn't really make sense.

[@Bergamont45]

The shift from folks looking forward to Natlan and turning on it almost completely is something else. I dont think 2025 will be a good year for the Genshin devs, and well they brought it on themselves.

[@zefferss]

As much of a banger as 2.0 WuWa has been, if anybody wants to play a game with good story, try Infinity Nikki out. It has no bloat, no stupid unnecessary dialogue, no bs sidequests to waste your time. The story is well thought out, connected and streamlined. It moves along so smoothly, I couldn't help but wanting to see what was gonna happen next, and couldn't put it down. That's damn good story telling.

[@akarifuyuki9763]

I have bad experience with previous Nikki. But maybe I will give it a chance.

[@starkiller1289]

I thought infinity Nikki was a glorified dress up gatcha, might play it if there's actually a story.

[@NerdPanic]

Everything about Natlan sucks. The region is not a war torn region. The characters design is bad at best, with lore breaking gimmicks. The power creep is crazy. Natlan broke Genshin for me :(

[@Efgand0894]

Finished the AQ and decide to take a break, maybe a long one, cause Natlan has been the worst nation so far; I enjoyed exploring sumeru and fontaine but natlan feels bad on porpuse and not even the free kachina saves it

[@Bigman85534]

Disagree with with the waves not having filler, but it’s not as horrendous as Genshin I still believe Will wave as filler, but it’s not to a point where it’s annoying

[@FarosYT]

Wuthering waves filler is tolerable because they have the skip button. Meanwhile genshin you’re forced to digest the filler that’s what makes it worse. You don’t have a choice you have to go through the unnecessary dialogue😂

[@ZeHoovy2595]

Kuro devs making Hoyo genshin devs look silly

[@zeydehemuiris5221]

Honestly, criticism like this are good for games to better, only if genshin devs listen, its crazy how difference zzz and HSR devs are, I would say im more interested on HSR story of all the gacha games I played its annoying the dialogue are long and its makes me sad, if it was an open world and not turn base, would've been the perfect game, every planet is open world would've been so cool

[@nashwolf1731]

Natlan Arc is dissapointing ? I actually like the fact that the Traveler did most of the work post 5.2 and 5.3 onwards and being treated as a hero for their efforts.

[@leburger5160]

Bro, the final arc was literally 3 hours of yapping and 5 minutes of fighting. It bored me half to death. I ended up throwing kingdom of heaven up on my other monitor and barely paid attention to the game. It was such a drag. Literally nothing interesting happened...

[@Tempest27]

Yep just quited didn't even try finish the archon quest hated natlan

[@Kurara-bc7qb]

But i see this complain in english player only, while the mainland, japan, and korean players are enjoying natlan so much, so i assume its just subjective things for people to enjoy a fantasy game, so its like haters being haters and enjoyer just enjoy the game.

[@yumap4126]

what do you expect from this channel bro lol

[@Kurara-bc7qb]

​@@yumap4126 well idk man 😂 it just popped up in my algorithm and I'm kinda curious what others think about the game.

[@miyukihikawa18]

Hot take, but I don't think the playable characters needs to die for order for the story to be good or better, but my main problem with is where are the physical injurys from the characters? Like where are the bruises, cuts, and stuff? The last time I remember a character from Genshin getting physical injured was a NPC from Inazuma and Xiao during a event from the Chasm, if you're going to have characters in a story fight (ESPECIALLY DURING A EFFING WAR) then showing characters getting injured is a must imo. Like HSR and ZZZ shows the characters getting injured with no problems, so what's Genshin's excuse? 🙃

[@FarosYT]

be careful, the genshinshills will come after you. "How dare you have an opinion"

[@zerooskil7161]

Nah natlan is fine i enjoyed this more than fontain

[@herbertcoxe3601]

More play time does mean more money… the storytelling is so trashy people will buy the characters outright then leave.

[@kuvrut7747]

AQ Natlan is ass. Ochkanatlan is awesome. Characters are ass

[@xulek4755]

I thought it was lit, felt like an arc of dbz lol. Took me back

[@astro9444]

Thank you, I think people thought it was gonna be this deep story with mystery and crazy reveals when it was really a celebration of Humanity and Determination. Fontaine and Sumaru were not like that and I think people are judging based on previous stories and not actually what Natlan is

[@wifi961]

Lol nope.

[@arthurgeier2545]

yap yap yap

[@linkart1910]

Bro this is game for normies not Game of throne

[@Redrepper]

This mindset is why the game will continue to suck. “The game is meant for normies not Game of thrones” so characters dying is only exclusive to game of thrones? Keep in mind this is the “nation of war” and this is the best they can do smh. Of course y’all still defend this horrible story, nothing new

[@ZeHoovy2595]

You are a part of the problem that Genshin today has

[@bes12000]

I loved the story, people are lame if they don't.

[@luisespinoza3877]

Ok guy, keep telling yourself that😂

[@Bubblexmc22]

I played it and it wasn't that good it was mediocre at best

[@kokocknut]

it sucks

[@AvadaKedavra-hr6ys]

Don’t fall for the rage bait comment guys, it’s pretty obvious this guy is trolling just for attention.

[@yuuji8642]

I loved it too, but you know people have different opinions