Why The PVP Sucks in The Division 2..

[@BeakerBurner]

Expertise system ruined the experience for dark zone and conflict. Until they remove it from there, the "average" player is never catching up.

[@smart_for_a_retard]

expertise hasnt ruined it, status affect has.

[@ColdBwoyy]

Expertise doesn’t really need to be in PvP tbh

[@zero-r5g3d]

division is not for the average player never has been

[@smart_for_a_retard]

@@zero-r5g3d well said bro

[@David-sx2dm]

Expertise 24 here, it helps but it’s not most important thing to me, tactics, strife, managing reload while strifing, avoiding bullets and discharging your mag whiles opponent reloads. Throwing Emp sticky or foam at the right time etc

[@THAKINGNME]

It would amount to the same. No matter what they do. Imagine a dz where exotics drop like candy. Teams of meta build having a**holes will just camp out to ensure no one leaves the dz with anything worth having. Everyone ends up running the same builds again thus back to square one. No matter what they do, people will run what works and the community heavily influences that.

[@EdwinTyler]

I'm sick of DZ. Stopped playing it. Getting ganked by team of high level players who constantly camp extraction zones just so you can't leave with the gear. They don't even take the gear because it's below their level. I don't know what's wrong with these people.

[@valascazielterrazin7272]

The instant Expertise showed up in PvP, it was known it would inevitably cause a problem of "power creep" that caused a myriad of issues. You also have an inherent issue where Special Ammo was taken *out* of the DZ for a *very good reason*, but newer weapons such as St. Elmo break that rule entirely. It homogenized builds too much wherein you have to build to counter it or be subject to immense frustration, leaving very little options for counter play as it's almost essentially the standard AR besides FAMAS. A status on a *gun* where you outright lose your ability to *play the game* should NEVER be in PvP. That's why Mei was so hated in Overwatch. She froze you and you couldn't play. Horrible design. Great for PvE. No place in PvP.

[@ColdBwoyy]

Great points Val 👍🏻👍🏻

[@Sean51745]

Totally agree

[@jediman515]

As a casual pvper I used to pvp once or twice a week until the expertise system was added. I haven't been back since. If they ever disabled that I would start playing again.

[@AxEn_JaXeN]

Thank you putting this video out! The devs hear what you say, they ignore the rest of us. And thank you for touching on the vpn thing. It’s a real issue right now

[@ColdBwoyy]

Thanks for watching 🙏 I felt like it was finally time to make a video. And yes the VPN thing is an issue but I’m afraid there’s not much they can do about it

[@AxEn_JaXeN]

@@ColdBwoyy and its the perfect time to make this video too. I think the Devs have been humbled over the last few updates with all the issues with status/skill damage and update issues. I hope they listen this time. You even illustrated the way they can fix it too which is amazing because you’re not complaining, but rather showing issues and offering ways to fix it from a players perspective. The vpn thing will never go away, you’re right, but I’m thankful you touched on it so people understand how vpn can be cheating to a degree

[@ColdBwoyy]

@@AxEn_JaXeNI’m giving them the blueprint to make PvP better it’s up to them what they do with it

[@joshcam1313]

Expertise is part of the game and is fine, HOWEVER, the cost needs to be reduced. People have to understand this game is an RPG. It's not Call of Duty. If they touch expertise, which they won't, it would basically delete hundreds if not thousands of hours players have played to increase their strength and builds.

[@timmigrant6597]

One thing designers never considered was restricting the scope of gearsets and weapons and skills available to use in the DZ. That reduces the rebalancing equations. Some items should be available on in the DZ, but also should only be usable in the DZ. Rewards should speed up gear/weapon modification of any kind.

[@iDentityUS]

I slowed down “significantly” playing PVP in this game a long time ago… There are so many reason why I agree with this but I’m curious to hear your perspective.

[@iDentityUS]

Okay after watching I agree with everything you said. It’s just that I think to add on to it, armor is an issue. Players can easily achieve too much armor with too much DPS. I think this is what compels players to just run off and put on Glass Cannon. Nobody should be that powerful which is why I loved the concept of TD1 granted it had its problems. But do you remember how certain talents weren’t allowed to be used if you had too much armor, or too many firearms. I mean even before WoNY there was a similar system. The game was restrictive but also allowed for build diversity. Which is why you saw so much more build diversity in TD1. I feel like if the Devs really wanted to they would make PVP great but unfortunately that’s not where the 💰 is, but it could be… great discussion bro 💯

[@ColdBwoyy]

@@iDentityUSthanks for your input brother! I’m sure the community appreciates it 💯

[@Vizr]

24% St Elmo’s should never be a thing but a 24% iron lung is also a presence. Now, there are counters to build but the Elmo’s imo should be re tuned. Now my biggest issue (I’m on console) is the cheaters. When I get two tapped by a 4 blue core running famas from a block away on a Friday night totally kills the experience. There are known clans in the DZ if you are hardcore in the DZ that you will recognize run cheats. I’d rather fight st Elmo’s cheese than get two tapped by spotter king breaker or a billion rpm famas.

[@pan-os7048]

Excellent video about our problems in TD2/PVP. Hope the devs read that.Greetings from Germany

[@airborne1868]

That's why PVE and PVP should be separate games . There would be no issue with nerfs , watch lvl's , status , aso... . The devs could focus on doing the right thing for each game without having to balance PVE and PVP to make everyone happy but instead pissing everyone off . Have two games , end of story .

[@leolenenko]

Another moment: when I fired from an artillery turret, but they killed me before it landed… where did the grenade go?? Got vanished?? where is the landing

[@AKingsCreation]

Nice video bro! A lot of valuable information!! Seriously GREAT WORK

[@ColdBwoyy]

Thank you 🙏 should’ve done this a year ago lol

[@joaquinchacon5355]

Down with you on the unrewarding side of it. Now, the talents and other damage sources have a counter. Fact of the matter is that pvpers wanna play how they think it should be. I am personally a pve-er that pvps because of the exclusives. But why go in there for checkpoint camping, 2 famas using, firewall kit relying 6 man groups. Mentioning foam how much cheese reliant true pvpers can be. But then get frustrated when being sticky bombed. Yet you laugh and clap at the dude who misses after you melt them with your 1.8, catharsis, unbreakable, adrenaline rush build. The cheese is extreme both ways.

[@henryromain5577]

Whatt unbreakable adrenaline rush is cheesy reminding you that you need to get closer to the enemy to proc adrenaline rush when tell me how is that cheesy compared to a dude letting Ai do everything for you like please you made some good point in the beginning but anyone who think thats a shooter game where you let the Ai do everything for you

[@alphaelite1861]

I think what the divs thought about when creating the dz for both division games is "what can we put for high risk high reward mode for lunch". When they should have thought "what can we put for high risk high reward mode for years of enjoyment". I say that because take someone fully optimized and expertised 24 fighting someone that just put a build together (not fully optimized and expertise 0). It's unfair and extremely unbalanced. Division 1 kind of had new player friendly with dz because world tier but once u reached world tier 5, dz is unfair and unbalanced because u will be facing people who are fully maxed out. This is not even mentioning group vs solo players.

[@sdx3918]

This will sound like a hot take but i think ubi massive makes good balancing decisions its just they are too damn slow at actually changing anything, just look at the trello known issues board, they have the intention of dealing with expertise, status effects and skills but its been sitting in the "investigating" tab for ages and still has lead to nothing. This leads to players just finding the best builds and optimizing the fun out of PvP. People were rejoicing when things like headhunter, shrapnel trap, busy little bee, and shield got nerfed. They have the ability to make good and healthy changes but are way to slow at keeping it up which cripples the experience.

[@Sean51745]

Spot on Coldbwoyy.... They could have had a huge game with these adjustments.

[@intheface27times]

I loved the dz in 2019 when it was easier to understand what an opponent was doing and adapt to the situation. Nowadays I can't tell what I'm doing wrong when I'm pvping if it my playstyle or build is not good

[@nexusgaming8347]

Lets face it , PvP is basically dead on PC in Australia and Asia servers now with only a few snippets of PvP action , people ask as to why has this happened , well lets break this down : 1. Removal of shield meta - this reduced the build diversity immensely to what we have now which is the worst meta since the beginning of Division 2. 2. Introduction of Expertise : You want new people to have a go a PvP but then make a massive skill gap so they cant compete and the level of grind to get to 24 is beyond the reach of many , let alone SHD 1000 grind for a new player in a 5 year old game, PvP needs to be a fair battleground otherwise people loose interest . 3. Introduction and piss poor balance of Status skill builds and St Elmo engine , Both Fire and Elmo are stupidly OP in the DZ and needs a hard nerf into the ground 4. No dedicated team to actually fix the PvP experience and balance it on a Quartey basis and to keep the cheaters and reWASD abusers for Aim Assist on PC out of the game 5. Obviously the 3 small maps everyone hated and the MH system needs a complete overhaul (no more spawn at other side of map to clear and better the loot rewards at MH's above level 50 etc) 6. Fully separate the PvE from the PvP , Div 2 shown they couldn't balance gear between both camps properly , End of Rant

[@smart_for_a_retard]

the 'shield meta' was for noobs and destroyed pvp. pvp is about movement and aim, neither of which you are using wiht a shield. and the shield meta didnt promote buid diversity either, there was one build, with a shield, that was it.

[@trell215pvo7]

Well done my guy the topics in this vid needed to be discussed let’s hope it gets into the right hands. W vid 💯

[@ColdBwoyy]

Thanks Trell 💯

[@mutleymusic]

I agree hazard and explosive talent should be combined but I wouldn't ban glass cannon. The risk of running about the DZ with such a talent is more likely to result in death . Most who complain about status effects and skills seem to run adrenalin rush...unbreakable, cart mask and all blues. Your not forced to run this build ... you would run it even if they were banned as currently its the meta. It's the only way a novice has the chance of taking out a high level player. Since intimidate got nerfed along with shield strength and the new ranking system was introduced the DZ has been who has the best cheats or best ranked meta build.. The blue build plus those running chronus or 3 rd party controllers with high ping are the ones killing the DZ not someone who can be killed with one shot as they run glass cannon.

[@Hook_em1108]

Excellent video. I also think certain gear piece changes would easily affect pvp such as Contractors and Foxes would be weapon specific. They would still give multiplicative damage, but ONLY for eithet the LMG or RIFLE. Changing that 1 thing would drastically effect how people build and force them to look at other ideas.

[@richardstevens3665]

This is the very few agents [Hook em] that i would put in a room with developers for pvp to get his thoughts and opinions as he to has put a lot of time and adjusted to not using the standard builds by creating a formula that works out of the gate. I have fought against him and I always play strategic cause as a solo agent myself like him I always have to be ready. Good luck agents.

[@smart_for_a_retard]

@@richardstevens3665 there will always be a meta, if not foxed and contractors then the next strongest thing and people will cy about that too.

[@KiloAlphaLima626]

I haven’t played Div2 game since Lords of the Fallen came out lol. I agree with you on every single point, those are some good baby steps into making PvP good. We need an instant heal and System Corruption was a good idea, but underperformed tbh. I love that gearset, but man… I do miss playing Div2

[@BAZZERBAZ]

I understand why expertise is not tied to pvp, cheesy players could lock out a server and farm their friends for huge rewards and levels.

[@maximus809]

You have to understand that 90% of players copy everything from KZbinrs. They put up a "best pvp build" video and everyone uses that build and thinks it's the best. They never even tried to make their own build, they just copy. Just like CoD, players use weapons that youtubers use and other weapons they've never tried because youtubers told them it's not a good weapon.

[@theblacksky5645]

5:07 can't fucking believe that this is still a thing lmfao But to be honest this wouldn't fix the problem, just make the expirience less miserable. The worst part is that there is no real counter play in game. You don't fight players, you fight builds Build diversity is shit cuz you only can put like 2 talenets which takes out all the creativity from build creating. Skills, although they are strong as shit they are so clunky as well.

[@TJS.]

The original D1 DZ, Now that was a dark zone. I spent many a time chilling with a group of ten/fifteen players (Most i'd never met before) chatting about builds and just hanging out, As we watched two warriors face off against each other, As one threw a grenade to the side to signal he was ready for battle and waiting for our turn to prove ourselves. There was honour and respect in that DZ (Mostly) and it was huge. I still run the OG division. The good times aren't as plentiful but are still there. Plus PvP mode in Survival is a blast. I like D2 but not it's dark zones.

[@RubenMC83]

For me, pvp should be separated from pve. The builds, weapons and equipment should be different in the dark zone and to make a build you need to get pieces in it and extract them. The extractions, for example, would make much more sense and you would take the dark area more seriously. I am level 5000 and I go to the dark zone to shop around, because I can't get the pieces I need there, I get more experience outside of it, etc.

[@MJ_888_Xo]

thanks for pointing out all this issue . I always say to people that this is not real pvp what you do in Division 2 and they laugh at me.

[@italktrash]

I think they take on glass cannons take was insensible as glass cannons is already balanced. For instance, a glass cannon player is stuck in a one 1v1, the other player could just use cover to their advantage and advance his on the glass cannon. In a more extreme 4v4 scenario the glass cannons’ opponents could just position themselves inside a building in which the glass cannon is vulnerable. glass cannon is meant to balance out pvp by punishing the fleeing play style it forces the enemy to reposition or get aggressive and punishes a player’s lack of situational awareness. it is needed

[@ColdBwoyy]

Glass cannon is a troll talent in PvP. Nobody uses glass cannon to be competitive. They use it to get easy kills and to grief players from range.

[@italktrash]

@@ColdBwoyy I use it solo to punish inattentive players pushing, it’s the only way to stop them from advancing if you good enough. I’ve caught solo manhunts with it many times

[@samjkd]

There was a time where masks had 80% HZ protection. Division 1 had best healing mechanics.

[@lou_boogie1pvo866]

Great video I couldn’t agreed with you more bro 🔥🔥🔥

[@ColdBwoyy]

Thanks boogie 💯

[@bboylorettoEight08]

West coast is still somewhat active but if they gonna nerf skill status or skills in general then gotta nerf dps too and also regen builds or tank build it all has to have a good balance

[@ColdBwoyy]

Yes the whole entire game needs balancing as a whole. I just pointed out the outliers otherwise the video would have been an hour long lol

[@OldManShoutsAtClouds]

I understand nerfing status effects, but nerfing tank and DPS? 😂 What do you want builds to be exactly? In your version we came be tanky or do dmg? 😂 This isn't COD, the whole point is creating powerful builds that counter others powerful builds.

[@iamsteezze]

Expertise system is single-handedly the worst thing that makes PvP unbalanced. It should be removed first alongside the skill problem. Expertise system instantly excludes new players because they can’t compete

[@Tombstone416]

well next update its gonna be easier/faster to level up expertise.

[@pe3ke117]

you are speaking from the bottom of my heart 👌👌👍👍👍

[@YouKnoDaVibes]

We need more of these videos !!!!!!

[@darrellwells9850]

If you nerf the expertise you'll kill the pve aspect, cause in pve we hit like bitches compared to the A.I. So a simple fix would be to nerf the expertise in pvp ., but keep it the same in pve. Simple

[@ColdBwoyy]

That’s what I said. Nerf expertise to 15 in PvP.

[@qhozf]

Well done video. I agree with majority of the video but your comment on vpn I have to disagree with. A VPN can improve gaming sessions by decreasing your latency, or ping, with the desired result of a more responsive online play experience. Your IP address will be masked and your ISP will be prevented from throttling your connection. So the ones in other countries on vpn are not the issue but the one that may come over with them directly that are lagging. Overall poor server performance is the real problem imo I have over 13k hours on this game. Over 200k pvp kills. Near 5k watch level.

[@ColdBwoyy]

Thanks for stopping by bro 🙏 appreciate the comment

[@qhozf]

@@ColdBwoyy respect homie

[@leolenenko]

Here is my thoughts: talents need to be removed, exotics should be removed. because how it turns out - I hit the head 3 times with a pistol, and this madman in a catharsis mask runs around with 90% armor 🦆 That's why when asked for “good pvp game” Google will never mention the division 2

[@THEGoDLiKeMIKE]

Spitting facts. Not sure I agree that the changes would fix as much as you think but it'd be nice to see some effort in pvp balance.

[@BlueNitroTiger]

This is a well-documented commentery, I tried winning a single match of skirmish but I can't eliminate a single player since the opponent levels are higher than mine. I'm currently trying to unlock the platinum trophy in this game.

[@dimakalina1971]

My lvl is 10K+ in Div2 and I'm still learning this game. That is why I'm totally disagree with you. Sorry. PvP in DZ's main reward is your Victory (though I personally find myself with 20/20 and many yellow boxes lying on the map). DZ is somewhere between PvE and Conflict. I personally go to a DZ to fight rogues in the "natural" environment that can't be done in "Conflict". The one and the only reason is to kill rogues! I'm DZ's Police 🙂. No rogues - I switch out or go to PvE. About skills and balances and other things. Any build : red, yellow, blue, hybride - can win, depending on the opposite build or situation. So, it is not balanced well? For me it is OK - be better, be smarter and grow up. I can die 100 times and fight 1 vs 3-4 very strong rogues but I'll return back time-after-time and finally will find a way to kill MTFs. Here is my personal reward. In this game it is not speaking only about personal builds or/and skills but tactic and team work. Division 2 is the only game that I constantly return to play almost on the daily basis and DZ is THE main reason why I return back. Good luck and see you in the DZ. SWATty. (XBox platform)

[@Adartaer]

Dude...yesterday I came back to the game after almost a year break with the hope that they had finally done something with PvP and I would be able to play again...

[@biswajitghosh1633]

Problems in darkzone --Cheaters never got banned, easily apply status effect by using weapons, with or without expertise system I think player armor melted very quickly sometimes you can compare kill time division 2 and a battlefield game.

[@VaultArchive72]

2:37 you countered your own point in the same sentence. "Glass Cannon".

[@inkr329]

Nailed it. There’s no reward for DZ play. The low number of players per DZ and 3 separate DZ areas is also an awful idea

[@bboylorettoEight08]

I would say I disagree with you cause why does dps have a glass canon build aren’t being said as too overpowering ? You can a skill build with a 1.7 armor shotgun build with not full crits or damage, if that’s the case dps should also be needed then too then you shouldn’t be able to have max dps plus expertise levels for gun damage then that should be capped too rite ?and also skill damage should not be together with status it’s not the same yo. I see what your saying tho but door campers are still harassing people so if they were they should put turrets at every dope so those door campers can’t ruin other people experience either that’s my opinion. And I’ve been playin dark zone since Div 1 so I been around for a long time and have seen many buffs and nerfs as well as fight guys with zens or titan hacks so there’s a lot to be fixed not just skills.

[@ColdBwoyy]

People door camp because nobody wants to fight and there’s no real objective in the darkzone besides shooting other players. You have to force engagements with people who don’t want to fight and hide behind turrets. If there was events, more exotics and an actual incentive to be in the dark zone, then nobody would waste time door camping.

[@framed_mcrib3412]

truth is veteran know pvp died in this game when redstorm left. their issue is giving pvp and pve differnent talents. St. elmo shouldn't have shock ammo in the dz. reason no build diverisity is because this game we have stupid inspect button to so u can look at other players build another division 1 was better.

[@AgtGhoul]

Well said !! Great video. Hope developers see this.

[@mrmdiab9080]

Agree with skills and status needed balance and overall ttk but there are many big issues that destroy pvp like - determined talent that allow chaining headshot on bodyshot and remain active even after gwt killed in conflict. - melee damage has anormal & hudge damage. Not supposed to be in shooter game

[@Slank32]

Adrenaline Rush was idiotic too…sure, force people to charge at each other in a gun fight, encouraging chicken dancing. Brilliant

[@dappa3ten]

Great content bro. I couldn’t have said it better better myself.

[@MatthiasPowerbomb]

Your recommendations seem very reasonable, and they seem like they would probably make a marked difference to the game.

[@daricanzfinest]

Welcome back CB I see you had a change of heart 🤙🏼 its been a minute

[@daricanzfinest]

You are absolutely right…High risk high rewards

[@l0ck3d]

great ideas!! It'd be interesting. This would save a lot of the PVP.

[@ColdBwoyy]

Thank you for watching 🙏

[@davidhache1267]

I don’t enjoy the pvp games in this game much but I think your suggestions would make it a lot better for the average player. The expertise issue is significant and an easy fix. The lack of diversity in builds is another major issues that bothers me in both pvp and pve. Why have all this gear if it doesn’t matter?

[@ColdBwoyy]

Exactly

[@tevingaming1919]

Omg finally somebody address this statement I’ve been talking about to my buddies about!! You rocks for this man!!!

[@ColdBwoyy]

💪🏼💪🏼

[@40proofbleach81]

Multi grouping and getting put into dz servers as a solo player against 4 man sweat teams. Dz credits should be way more plentiful

[@thisistheway4011]

Let me break this down why pvp sucks 1.there are no roles in pvp you can be tanky and still do damage like you're a glass cannon build side note that shouldn't be a thing all red builds aren't even scary anymore 2.Talents there is no talent requirement anymore once they removed that they killed pvp side note unbreakable, adrenaline rush , shouldn't be in the game it makes talents like unstoppable force looked right pass 3.Skill builds should be a thing but it should only be a healer 4.Glass cannon isn't a problem because you're literally what the talent encompasses glass - cannon easy to kill 5.Expertise system isn't a problem either I have weapons with no lvls on it and I still kill high ranking players in my community 6.Nerfs they nerf and nerf and nerf instead of buffing everything up and that's solely due to pve players trying to pvp stay in your lane you're not forced to come to the dz anymore stay out of it.

[@beelz3buggg]

we need more content creators to see and have a vidoe like this and send this to ubisoft

[@younggod4228]

Look how y’all even farming the door on the game. Nawl leave skills alone. I go outside and get shocked and farmed by four people at the door. So I switch to skills and kill. The worse is when I’m farming and players come jumped me. Then get mad when I switch to skills and fight back.

[@ColdBwoyy]

This is a solid example of why the PvP sucks. Thanks for your input.

[@HOOTIEHOOT]

For me Expertise is my real problem in this im at 21 but there is no way im maxing everything out its to much time. I'm okay with expertise 15 at max that would be cool.

[@trustyadeezy1558]

Well spoken, you hit all of the key points, maybe this video will catch the Devs attention especially since you displayed a list of talents we use vs the abundant amount of talents and gear we don't use

[@KakashivsKorashi-n7i]

I just tweeted last week for adding DZ resources to all DZ activities. Especially Manhunt ranks completed or denied. Easy fixes don't know why they haven't tried them yet. Even stealing an extraction should give better rewards. Amazing ideas C.B I would add the following having randomized Hunters appearing on extractions along enemies.

[@ColdBwoyy]

I appreciate you watching the video! I don’t think we should have to extract DZ resources. I feel like as soon as we deconstruct an item we should get those resources right away.

[@KakashivsKorashi-n7i]

@@ColdBwoyy you are right when it comes to Landmark, supply drops, manhunt completion, denied, except when it comes to loot that you need to extract as items or DZ resources, this will hype up more PVP activity when extracting.

[@henryromain5577]

Agree with everything you said bro i love this game but the gap between vets and other players wether its casuals or returning and new players is just god awful might as well study division like its a homework for school cause the grind needed to catch up is just completely insane i was 234 when i returned a month ago now iam 824 but that grind was brutal

[@noisetalker]

The division 1 was so enjoyable me my 2 sons and their father played the division 1 non-stop there was the underground dark zone survival and the pvp gamemode in division 1 honestly dark zone and everything was fun at the time i visit it to play it sometimes and for a game all the way back in 2013 it is SO much better than the division 2 and i was trust me very dissapointed with pvp gameplay in the division 2. it breaks my heart,

[@bloedkop5094]

I am just happy to see someone can actually code a 3rd person shooter. Thats good enough for me.

[@ThePhantomPhanto]

Personally, in years playing TD2, it crashed barely twice or trice on my Ps4, and just once lately on my Ps5; and it did in the Dark Zone!! All crashes I'm hearing come from PC players.

[@Bran-Da-Don]

One thing I don't understand is this; If Massive was going to spend 7 years updating and developing new content for Division 2 then why not just invest those resources into the first game from the beginning? Imagine how big Division 1 would be right now with nearly 8 years of updates?

[@Arespr26]

Nice vid. And also agree 100% unfortunately I believe there's nothing they can do in regards of VPN users tho 😪.

[@ColdBwoyy]

Yeah true

[@jhood0474]

Are you kidding me bonk builds one shot snipers with 2 million armor catharsis 2 mill build that hits like a all red one shot pistol builds shock rounds on a 2 mill tardi sitting in back skills are least of concern

[@ColdBwoyy]

I’m aware that there’s a plethora of issues. I’m just trying to build awareness. This video could have been three hours long.

[@jhood0474]

True lol but I think skills easiest counter throw seeker on glass cannon n push

[@ColdBwoyy]

@@jhood0474on paper that sound easy but when you’re dealing with third party rogue police who’s only intention is trolling then it gets frustrating

[@kingofarrything768]

The last time we got a Conflict map was when the game released. Let that sink in.

[@Sh0nuff_00]

What don’t ppl get the dz is dead and will always be nobody be in dz besides the same old ppl who changes they name every damn month and it’s boring

[@ApocalypticGamingYT]

I think the biggest issue with division 2s dz is the size of them compared to 1. Part of the thrill was that risk of getting robbed by another player but now youll be lucky to not get robbed lol.

[@davidjenkins1376]

Ive always ran skill builds status builds and if a team sets up with a hazard healer that gives team mates blue armour. Skills or status wont do hardly any damage. there less players in the dz now useing skills than ive ever seen. You see a lot more players running the elmos assult rifle Than skill builds these days. Personally if skill damage status and explosive damage got nerfed in to the grond i dont think i would go in the dz again.

[@lElitePanda]

Agreed and well said. I also think collector needs a tone down with firewall nades. We just got rid of shrapnel. The chest acts the same way. Swapping builds to keep gear buffs. Elmo needs to change where you can only obtain rounds by shooting players. Not npcs. Been years since asking for better rewards for years. Which has always been not addressed. Lag switching is honestly going to ruin the dz shortly. Has been a real shame. Out of all the updates. The last two have made it very unplayable for me. I don’t have so much problem with expertise. You get what you put in (which many players have declined to put in). However, if you get an item to 15-20 (ex. famas or gear piece). That item should then drop at that expertise level. I make builds where I don’t move pieces around. But, this would also save a considerable amount of time for components which the devs seemingly gave no thought in. Good to see you guys back 👏👏

[@ColdBwoyy]

Appreciate your input Panda 👍🏻

[@lElitePanda]

@@ColdBwoyy awesome video. Definitely need help getting a voice out to at least make some changes. If anything more rewards and easier way to gain shd level without doing pve.

[@Unknown1Z1]

We have been saying this for years!!… let’s hope they learn from this mistake and make a better division 3 🤞the dark zone was so epic with div1. This game has always suffered from balancing issues if they fix that it would be a better experience. I’m still hoping for heartland to release. Maybe in 2026 😂😂

[@rippl3r0]

It's not fun getting ran up on by someone with an AR and melted in less than a second. The PVP is only for freaks with god complexes that need to feel powerful.

[@rippl3r0]

Glass cannon is probably the only thing saving MMR players from being irrelevant, you remove that you remove MMR from ALL PVP related content.

[@derrickhobbs5130]

I get at least 20 exotic components a day in the dz… you ain’t getting 20 outside the dz in 3 days

[@chillaxer2903]

The biggest problem with this game is that they implemented new things and do not know how to balance it. They really should have used the division 1 system for the second game. It is now got this weapon got this build or get wrecked. The build diversity in the first game was much better than the second game. Specially in PvP the teammates had so much more impact. As an example two damage dealer striker, predator or hybrid damage set in combination with a tank Defence set and a healer reclaimer or final measure healer. It was mandatory to have builds like this to survive against the dz police. Second game right now Elmo, shock aaaand down. We must run shock resistance. Close combat the new smg. It melts people in seconds…..the thing I want to say is get this specific weapon, make this one build and boom…90% of the people running this build with a little bit of different variation (personal playstyle) It’s sad to see that the skill which was required in the first game is not existing in the second game. The gunplay, build diversity should be the main focus and not the skills or this weapon with this build is required to win the fights in the dz. I’m just sad what this game have become after the first one

[@yukonc4]

As a new player, the dark zone seems very unbalanced. I have different frustrations as a solo player who is unable to farm for the content/items they have locked behind the dark zone. The players who have put the time in to DZ seem almost god-like to a new player just trying to figure things out. It makes the whole experience seem like a waste of time and mostly unapproachable. Also, the current meta o' the week also breaks the balance as well. Maybe this is the way the devs prefer it.

[@jonny1872]

They need a DZ exclusively for lower level players so they don't have to put up with the higher level players. Although you would still have the problem of being 2 tapped by a cronus user!

[@bartosz3837]

Dark zone was and probably will be bad because majority people there are just assholes, just like that, some runs solo and will go rogue or some group and you wont stand a chance, its hard to balance but being rogue isn't punished enough, problem with games like that is not everyone want to go PVP in DZ, but at the same time you miss a portion of game to not go there at all, i dont wanna say DZ should be PVE only but if there are 3 DZ's and one i cyclic changing to being "Invaded" why not add option to one DZ's being PVE? same like invaded one, then you would have "Normal" DZ, Invaded DZ and in these two you could go rogue and "SHD DZ" maybe where you can gather stuff and extract, they could make enemies more tanky or something but there should be some enjoyment in that part of game, Conflict and other PVP modes are ok, but DZ should be reworked so it can be played and enjoy by ANY agents.

[@came_up]

Well said cold hopefully these devs finally realize what they need to do and fix the game

[@arnavrajj3820]

u forgot about conflict and how motor is still an issue and foam too and mostly broken is pop shot build

[@WhoaaDudeee]

It would be sick to only be able to unlock and use certain gear sets that would be the same rng setup as it is now but those gear sets would be exclusive to that mode. I truly believe that is the only possible way to make it unequivocally balanced for every player. And the modes could be dz/conflict and Pve OR dz seperate from conflict and pve, also applied the same to the other two.

[@Beasley253]

As a first time pvp player in D2 I can say while D1 runs a muck with lag switchers,D1 PVP is solely for top tier players. I’m not full shd level yet and I can’t take down hardly any rogue players. This video nails it in every way.I just spent 2 hours in conflict with a fully built skill build and even with a defender drone on over charge,I get three shot downed by an oroboros dps build. The op is nuts.

[@Donnnyyy]

I wish in the DZ you could pick targeted loot, it would get me there more personally.

[@agentcoedie7079]

The question is why was pvp better (not the best but better) in Div1. My thoughts: everything that you do or use feels restrictive.

[@jagreddog]

Ive been a sub since way back when.By far this is the best video that explains in detail whats wrong in PVP.This aint D1.But i think -and i dont PVP -it is a lost cause.D2 PVP they aint going to fix it.The team is smaller,they have moved on,5 Years and this will be what we have.Sad..

[@ColdBwoyy]

Appreciate your sticking around the channel 💯

[@framed_mcrib3412]

let me get this right. want expertise either maxed at 15 in dz or removed lol. Some the players that did the grind should be punished because other bots don't want to do the grind. That is damn joke.

[@ColdBwoyy]

You need to look at the big picture and not so one dimensional. Yes, I grinded too I’m expertise 18 but I would give it up in a heart beat to have more players to fight. The dark zone is dead. You fight the same players everyday. The game needs to be more accessible. You don’t need expertise to be a good player.

[@framed_mcrib3412]

@@ColdBwoyy u need look at it they will never do it. old saying u have to pve to pvp. Called people need higher expertise go farm it and stop crying. People who really grinded are expertise 24. Problem u are only looking at from one side they do that the players that grinded will problably leave dz because their hard work is for nothing.

[@bryangolf6084]

Hopefully they can take that to D3 and make it good again. When D2 came out a lot of players from D1 never came over because of D2 dark zones. Good video. Makes sense but it’s probably too late. 👍

[@ferrenberg]

Although I agree with all of your points, we must consider that this is mostly a pve game and there aren't that many people on the DZ and conflict. Many pve bugs and unbalances exist forever and haven't been fixed, don't expect anything for pvp. As for the talents in the end of the video, out of the 25 weak pvp gear talentd, I'd say only Vanguard and Headhunter are used on pve. Bad talents are a constant everywhere in the game

[@covathetech]

Dps players don't use GC IN PVP. you die faster than you can kill. Expo Resistance and Health rolls should have been removed years ago.

[@cheshields7666]

Solid Video!

[@Tacti_Kal]

Another is the movement. I heard some say the movement has been toned down from TD1 so people cant strafe & you have to utilize cover a lot more. But in reality no ones uses cover like that lol. People still strafe & face tank during engagement. Your character just seems so stiff on screen

[@ImposterCookie331]

I can agree that build diversity in pvp are sorta limited. For example assault turret and striker drone are very weak. Unlike PvE, tank in PvP is non existent. Like there's really no tanks, for example say I am up against 2 players at same time. Amount of survivability I have on build will not save me at all, I'm like dead as fast as no blues.

[@ColdBwoyy]

We need stronger and more diverse talents

[@davidponder1654]

3m dps and I couldn’t kill someone that was rogue not even paying attention til i broke half their armor. What the actual fuck is this game?!

[@Sharpy-fy3oo]

I absolutely loved pvp in division 1. After everything, that was my end game. Pvp in division 2 feels like an after thought, and having 3 separate dark zones was also, in my opinion a bad idea. I don't do pvp in division 2 now, dark zone or conflict. Certain builds become a priority over other build then that becomes the meta and everyone ends up running the exact same copy and paste builds. Division 2 pvp lacks diversity when it comes to pvp builds, which is one of the things that I liked The ability to create a diverse unique builds, unfortunately, you don't get that now. Not to mention the whole Internet connection side, I've had it before, where I'm shooting a player and my hits don't register and I get melted, players using controller mods like coronas with scripts is another thing that makes pvp a very bad experience, and as you have also stated, there is no reward or benefits to running the dark zone that you can't get from outside the DZ. I used to love running the dz in division 2 back in the day, but now in 2024 its just not worth it. Moving forward, massive entertainment need to address this and give a huge overhaul for pvp in division 2 or learn and implement things ready for division 3

[@DJPyro7600o]

You should probebly go back to COD or apex if you think one state should counter 1/3rd of the game. If i make a skill build and invest into skills. They should be able to kill you as you can invest almost nothing for Hazpro and still do good weapon damage. How do you complain build diversity is an issue but want to counter 1/3rd of the builds with ONE stat?

[@ColdBwoyy]

Thanks for your opinion

[@0n1r0t]

I got a great idea. Just delete PVP. Problem solved.

[@OdJackBurton]

Excellent critical analysis of the situation. It would be a great thing to make PVP more balanced and usable by all players. It would be great I think, that a fantastic reward for the best PVP players would be to have them play as hunters or rouge agents in other PVE players' games.

[@AGxAG]

Like Sniper Elite 5,where another platter can drop into your game. Div2 could have had that kind of thing where the player becomes a rogue and drops into the players game and fight with them at a hardpoint or something