Why The US is Struggling to Return to the Moon

[@OctavianTech]

Apollo 17 was 1972 not 1952

[@riff2072]

Good thing we got that straightened out.

[@beauhaeker804]

Came here to point out the same mistake

[@andrewgrandfield7214]

Rough start to the video

[@TheVillageIdiotUk]

Unless he knows something we don’t 🤔

[@Foodconsumer2137]

@@denverbraughler3948 he probably just misspoke. just because someone said the wrong year doesn't mean they are clueless

[@austinlarson1528]

We must return. Monke was meant for da moon.

[@AngeloXification]

Moon apes unite!

[@ShadowFox10587O]

We will return. Apes together strong.

[@alex-q8-q9]

TO THE MOON! 📈

[@benjamindover4337]

The scientists asked chatGPT how to go to the moon, but it didn't know, so we have to wait for the next version and hope

[@andresmonagas7662]

Moonke

[@ritobs]

China: we are launching our new Lunar prog- US: Alright boys, its time to explore freedom

[@piccalillipit9211]

this was my comment: *Why The US is Struggling to Return to the Moon ?* cos its an ex-empire that is totally given over to making billionaires richer - not achieving things China will likely get there before the US

[@migaloo364]

Hilarious and original. Never heard that one before.

[@radbod82]

@@migaloo364 MERICUHHHHH

[@man-from-2058]

​@@migaloo364woah guys the sarcastic comedy police is here

[@michaeltse321]

Landers have freedom. Free the landers from the CCP - lol

[@SolarWebsite]

Simple: because back then, the US had a reason to go. A stupid, childish reason, but a reason nonetheless. And also back then there was a greater willingness to take risks. People died but the program continued. That same kind of reason is starting to materialise now (China) but the pressure is not really on yet. That may or may not happen, but when it does, a new space race may erupt. Better than a war, or course.

[@linecraftman3907]

they also had a fuckton of money 🤣

[@c1ph3rpunk]

3 decade engineer, a large swath of the interviews I’ve seen with the ones working on these projects aren’t going to get us there, this one included. Broadly, the quality of engineers has really dropped off over the past 30 years.

[@hostedbysimples5416]

You didn't watch the video. It's not because they are unwilling to take risks, it's because technical problems make the landing hard, they need a more reliable navigation system to guide the ship to not crash itself. It's a problem right now with unmanned ships, it's a catastrophy with manned ones. Would you volunteer for a trip which had a 50% chance of you dying?

[@andrewfidel2220]

​@@linecraftman3907 Yup, 2.5% of GDP for a decade, not far off from our current military spending! NASA now gets 0.2% of the federal budget and .001% of GDP and that's for everything they do.

[@CheesyMez]

@@c1ph3rpunk I mean, the hardware is already in testing, we have already sent missions recently, JPL have achieved much more ridiculous feats of engineering (look at the perseverance and curiosity skycranes, or JWST for example. i sincerely doubt the quality of engineers has dropped.

[@TheoneandonlyRAH]

honestly after watching all these videos, i dont really get how we got to the moon in the first place? a review video would be great, less on the tech but more on the probabilities and the risk tolerance. all the ways in which risks were taken which are not acceptable now.

[@JoryBlake]

We didn’t

[@JoryBlake]

Give me a break with this horseshit

[@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28]

Hollywood basement.

[@davidk1308]

That would be good. And would be a point of perspective why it seems going to the Moon is so much harder now despite technology advancing.

[@damiengeorges3344]

250 billion dollars is how. It was seen as a national and cultural priority, not as an experiment, and we used much, much more ressources to get there. Even then, it took multiple preliminary missions; there's a reason why it the first landing was the 11th Apollo mission.

[@Redacted-0x]

+ 1 Thumbs up for Windows XP still being the GOAT at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="858">14:18</a>

[@danolver913]

"NASA's budget is too big" <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="859">14:19</a> they're literally still having to use Windows XP 😂

[@MattyEngland]

$1 = 1 cent for space exploration, 99 cents in the back pockets of politicians and corporations.

[@thejusticeshow5729]

@@MattyEngland Not even. It's like the 0.01% of a penny.

[@JigilJigil]

You have to keep in mind that both Astrobotic with 130 employees, and Intuitive Machines with 250+ employees, are *small companies,* despite the failure, it's great to see that small private companies are attempting to land on the Moon.

[@IzzyTheEditor]

Private? You mean government funded. Don't get it confused kid this is an overbloated government funded fiasco pure and simple. NASA is a relic that needs to go away because even the crap of private organizations have a far superior safety record and can do things so so much cheaper. And faster.

[@isned2000]

This. The Apollo lunar module was developed by Grumman, an established defense contractor with tends of thousands of employees, not counting any NASA personnel and subcontractors that also assisted. The total inflation adjusted cost for the program was 21.65 billion dollars. In comparison these new landers are being built by absolutely tiny teams on shoestring budgets, and they are being asked to solve some really tricky problems that Grumman didn't have to consider on top.

[@Fernandosampaio_]

Still surprises me that with a simple computer and rádio equipment we landed on the moon in 1960, and I'm 2024 we can't even land a lander module

[@michaelpieters1844]

A simple computer who couldn't even do the numerical computing power we have now but these phonies make us believe they went to the moon. Amerika - Rammstein.

[@Fernandosampaio_]

@michaelpieters1844 yeah I sounds fake but we actually went to the moon.

[@cjay2]

Funny, but the older I get, and I'm old now, the less I believe that the US went to the moon, especially given how they are behaving now. Just saying.

[@garnet4846]

Nobody is flying up to a light in the sky you can see thru.

[@MattyEngland]

​@@michaelpieters1844 The average smartphone has a million tines more computing power than the Apollo computers. In hindsight it was obviously a hoax.

[@smferreiro2610]

Apollo 17... ¡1972! You must be a millennial, that everything before 1990 is ancient history. 😁

[@InitialT-tm-]

I’m sure he knows. But he has a whole team now and someone put a typo in the script and nobody caught it.

[@smferreiro2610]

@@InitialT-tm- I'm also sure he does... but I wasn't spoiling my chance to annoy him! 🙂

[@Golem-9]

TONY STARK WAS ABLE TO BUILD THIS IN A CAVE

[@kirishima638]

With a scraps of box!

[@Chris-ok4zo]

Many KSP players can attest to how difficult it is to land on a foreign celestial object.

[@relafleur5114]

And KSP makes it 1000x easier than it it is irl

[@lord_kerman]

Facts

[@Etrehumain123]

It's very easy to land, but my tank of fuel is empty once Im there. it's just hardcore to send enough fuel to ever come back and get another orbit on Earth to then splash down, even with rendezvous and refuelling on Earth orbit, which is already a challenge in itself

[@cjay2]

Funny, but the older I get, and I'm old now, the less I believe that the US went to the moon, especially given how they are behaving now. Just saying.

[@nikolaideianov5092]

​​@@Etrehumain123now think how hard it would be if everything was 8 times bigger(?) ,this is ksp RP1

[@samuxan]

I don't get why people talk about general and strong AI when this proves we haven't master a narrow AI like the algorithm to land safely there

[@samuelschonenberger]

Because they are completely different things the AI people are talking about are Large Language Models usually that have been trained on a lot of data. The AI needed here is completely different subdomain of Machine Learning called Reimforcement Learning (it's analogous to feedback control) that is making massive strides but isn't there yet + the data the one needs to train a Machine Learning model does not exist or not enough of it exists to get the performance yet probably.

[@Etrehumain123]

Because those thousands of self driven cars out there share their experiences onto one server, one hard drive, therefore when you get in a car, the AI has a combined let's say 1 million hours of driving experience.

[@filipe5722]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="38">0:38</a> It's not IM-2, but IM-1. IM-2 is only going to be launched in January 2025.

[@keegandecker4080]

The moon would make an interesting refueling station but the real money is in the asteroid belt out past mars. First dude to bring one of those babies home gets to retire for a hundred generations

[@cinavik]

Apollo had incredible ambition and backing and that really made the difference. Everyone was on the same goal. Plus, we now have the added goal of doing it without completely expending the launch vehicle like Saturn V

[@Boeing_hitsquad]

Apollo had less ambition than Gemini. Jim Chamberlin 🇨🇦 fixed the failed mercury programme. Then designed and built Gemini - with the capability to fulfill the lunar mission if required, while only ever being a stepping stone to show that Jim and the Avro team could succeed where America failed. Then they did Apollo and Owen Maynard 🇨🇦 working under Jim 🇨🇦 designed the lunar lander with the 2 vehicle concept that Jim would have used with Gemini if the President asked him to make Gemini ready instead. Many in the US didn't believe in the Canadian Digital transistor controls invented for the Avro Arrow, many didn't believe the Gemini programme could be improved upon, many didn't believe they'd have the time or money for Jim and the rest of the Canadians to finish a 2nd spacecraft and unproven lander too.

[@cjay2]

Funny, but the older I get, and I'm old now, the less I believe that the US went to the moon, especially given how they are behaving now. Just saying.

[@sferrin2]

The Surveyor program, in the 60s, landed 5 probes on the moon for a total of $462 million. The program included a total of 12 launches.

[@linecraftman3907]

With 7 of them being landing attempts.5 landed and 2 crashed. The cost is 4 billion today if you adjust for inflation.

[@reno3]

It's not complicated - Bill the engineer

[@Dustycircuit]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="73">1:13</a> You know they are serious about their ESD safety when even the trash bin's are ESD safe.

[@MushookieMan]

You mean the drag chain on the chair?

[@CoolCalmCoop]

I hope we can go to the moon commercially in my lifetime.

[@danielbrowniel]

Best case scenario is like 1 million. I would volunteer to work for free. 6 month mission.. It will be like Antartica, they will want the kind of people that know how to do a lot of different stuff.

[@ZoonCrypticon]

What do you want up there ? Kick dust ?

[@rador3573]

Incoming in the 2030s

[@danielbrowniel]

​@@ZoonCrypticon The average person has no use for being on the moon. Militarily though, the moon is a sort of "high ground". Once you see this you start to understand that it isn't a coincidence the only new rocket engine (the SRB) used with SLS is capable of being used as an ICBM on it's own. A lot of space exploration is just a way to make tools used for war.

[@cjay2]

Funny, but the older I get, and I'm old now, the less I believe that the US went to the moon, especially given how they are behaving now. Just saying.

[@charlie15627]

It would make more sense to have 2 cameras on opposite sides of the lander. With both of them mounted on rotating brackets. That way, the system is much more secure from an unexpected contact disabling the entire lander. It would also get some really awesome moonscape images.

[@aidanpendleton7366]

mm seems fun but usually moving parts makes it easier to get stuck or damaged so without redunancy that might be too big of a risk

[@zeg2651]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="760">12:40</a> If the accelerometers on board show a value close to zero, the lander is still in free fall. If it shows close to g_moon, it has landed

[@fenilkheni9494]

opposite of that. accelerometers messures acceleration, weighing machine messure force.

[@cjay2]

Free-fall means you are crashing to the moon. You need to have acceleration constantly in order to be in control.

[@alisav8394]

Please read again how gravity works.

[@PeterLindstrom-x4w]

"NASA needs to re-learn how to land on the moon.." Uhh, this seems more like a want than a need, tbh.

[@cjay2]

Funny, but the older I get, and I'm old now, the less I believe that the US went to the moon, especially given how they are behaving now. Just saying.

[@Adventurealliancekerala]

The moon is like that ex you keep meaning to visit but never quite manage to-logistics are always tricky!

[@J3xter]

real engeering 🤝 spacecraft always a good match

[@danzstuff]

Ah yes Apollo 17 in 1952

[@J3xter]

Why are they not installing a distance measuring sensor on the bottom of the craft it would reduce the blindness of the last 20m of landing as well as the bouncing problem especially an ILR would work great even in the dust cloud

[@cjay2]

Funny, but the older I get, and I'm old now, the less I believe that the US went to the moon, especially given how they are behaving now. Just saying.

[@henrymach]

You listed a lot of design flaws. The lack of redundancy for instance is a fatal one

[@vidyasagarronanki2076]

Surprising omission of India's ISRO successful missions to the moon, including a rover.

[@GAMEOVER-yy6zj]

That's nowhere near moon landing

[@oliverfalco7060]

I prefer the approach they took on that mars rober... just put it inside a giant inflatable ball and let it roll till it lands, it's just more fun

[@LordReginaldMeowmont]

I don't think the moon has enough gravity to hold it down like Mars does.

[@ConradSpoke]

When your video has a bizarre date mistake 6 seconds in, take it down.

[@cjay2]

Exactly.

[@benjamindover4337]

Have you seen Idiocracy? I mean, before it became a documentary.

[@hydromic2518]

Idiocracy is a movie and to suggest that reality is like it is a bit of a stretch

[@garnet4846]

Space force.

[@IuliusPsicofactum]

Why don't they make a spherical cocoon, with thrusters in any direction, with a mostly homogenously distributed weight and the fuel in the center... and then make the computer try to cancel the acceleration and angular in any direction it feels it coming and once it stops moving it deploys in a way that ends up facing upwards? :p How is that not possible?

[@-Good4Y0u]

Instead of visual, it should be a combination of lidar and visual. Tesla should do lidar and visual too, it's a serious mistake to risk so much on JUST a visual system which can be obscured.

[@wlqpqpqlqmwnhssisjw6055]

if tesla ai won , they would create monopoly , but if lidar , tesla would say "sorry fsd not available" , buy these lidar and we will remotely update the software , or just give away new cars with lidar installed. lidar is stupidly easy

[@fenilkheni9494]

thats how india did it.

[@aidanpendleton7366]

from my limited understanding of lidar, isnt it essentially light bouncing? wont the dust also affect it jsut like the visual systems? if not from all the extra light bouncing off but from sensors getting obscured?

[@edthompson9569]

It isn’t NASA that’s learning. It’s a bunch of lesser scientists and engineers, using unthought of software. They will learn and the learnings will be more permanent.

[@DaveSkylark111]

If only the telemetry data wasn’t “misplaced.” Also, it’s never made sense how their several car batteries were able to keep the lander temp livable for the days they were in the surface.

[@cjay2]

Funny, but the older I get, and I'm old now, the less I believe that the US went to the moon, especially given how they are behaving now. Just saying.

[@MattyEngland]

Not enough LSD and tinfoil at NASA these days.

[@garnet4846]

That gold foil is amazing stuff!

[@HeaanLasai]

The camera knows where it is, because it knows where it isn't.

[@Taskforce1]

just wrote and essay on mobile ONLY FOR KZbin TO NOT SAVE THE PROGRESS OF THE COMMENT cause i scrolled the comments. @KZbin YOUR UI/UX IS DOG SHIT AND DATED 😅

[@mapache-ehcapam]

KZbin: Proceeds to remove comments entirely

[@jamminfreedom2413]

Aliens on the dark side of the moon told Buzz to fuck off lol

[@ElPikminMaster]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="254">4:14</a> Oh hey, it's the Omnitrix logo!

[@jacobnielson7175]

How is it that they have a problem navigating at low altitude but by drone can navigate at low altitude and land itself no problem?

[@RealEngineering]

You're aware drones navigate by GPS satellites right? They also don't arrive at orbital speeds

[@bc-guy852]

ALWAYS great research and production from this channel. Every episode is informative and educational. Continued success Real Engineering. I'm not yet at Nebula - but I will be shortly!

[@wilson2583]

is there a reason to spend all his resources to study the moon? its just stone over there

[@Steven-vo4ee]

The thumbnail illustrates my concern with Blue Origin and SpaceX landers.

[@Karachsingstrue]

We'll get there again.

[@RePeteAndMe]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="654">10:54</a> just like beer can bumpers!

[@tapuout101]

I think the more supplies they can send to Mars before they go increases their survival chance.

[@owenrichmond1696]

100 meter resolution on the lunar mapper? great video that just stuck out to me, wouldnt that not be enough to map out any boulder smaller then 100m? or you mean like 100m area its taking images of?

[@linecraftman3907]

there are three cameras, two narrow angle with a spatial resolution of 0.5 meters (1.6 ft) per pixel over a swath that is 5 kilometers (3.1 mi) wide and the wide angle camera provides 100 meters (328 ft) per pixel images over a swath 100 km wide

[@MattyEngland]

So potato cam

[@JoeyP946]

I love this channel

[@LegoPictures2]

Why not use a sky Crane landing system, to avoid kicking up dust?

[@benmcreynolds8581]

I wish they could be able to utilize and work with insta360 in order to improve their camera situation a ton.. they could still pair the footage with that image learning tech but it could really improve their restrictions they are currently stuck with

[@rador3573]

Monke to Moon

[@norwd]

Easy, Apollo had pilots, today we have to make do with computers, and as a developer I would take the pilot every time 😂

[@2KOOLURATOOLGaming]

Sorry but that's just stupid. Autopilots and Flight Control systems are literally the only thing stopping most fighter pilots from immediately losing control and crashing. Manned rockets are never piloted by actual astronauts, they are always guided by computers because they are thousands of times more accurate and don't make the same mistakes. You are wrong to trust a pilot over a machine.

[@richjageman3976]

Would weight cells in the landing feet be able to tell if all of the feet are landed? We use weight cells for many things at work, including landing/docking.

[@kalebbruwer]

It's weird that the west is behind on Lunar Relays if SpaceX can probably build a constellation of several modified Starlinks in a matter of months if asked. They just need to throw 2 or 3 long-range receivers into the mix and add GPS-broadcasting to the satellites as well. Then you have so many problems solved in one go

[@970357ers]

From a medical perspective, wouldn’t the already small study group of 12 mean any return would require lifetime study to ensure no lasting ill-effects from their journey?

[@joshb8302]

A big factor is we were willing to risk lives back then. NASA is extremely risk averse now.

[@cjay2]

Funny, but the older I get, and I'm old now, the less I believe that the US went to the moon, especially given how they are behaving now. Just saying.

[@FSimsquad]

its becasue the first time we did it, it was by hand. over the moon. not with AI

[@o.5command]

Can we stick wheels on the legs?

[@linecraftman3907]

yes thats called a rover

[@gthakur17]

First time is always difficult

[@cjay2]

Funny, but the older I get, and I'm old now, the less I believe that the US went to the moon, especially given how they are behaving now. Just saying.

[@koppadasao]

Solution: build wide, not high

[@elmurcis1]

Nobody really wants to be 13th person on Moon. Here. Solved. Rest is just technical details and willingness from crowd =))

[@mosquitodaselva7319]

why won't the probe use radar or lidar or any other navigation systems for the landing? like for 3D scanning of the surface (pardon me if what I mentioned doesn't cover the functions I said, they're just for example)

[@prottentogo]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="835">13:55</a> no keyboards?

[@russell3380]

Practice makes perfect, 53 years is probably to soon.

[@fishrowe420]

Blue Ghost... is this a PAC MAN reference?

[@RealEngineering]

No, Blue Ghost is a species of firefly

[@5daboz]

Because that time there were actual people onboard instead of NASA-type self-driving space Tesla?

[@MattyEngland]

In the same way that Santa is going to come down your chimney in a months time 😂 Don't forget to leave a carrot for Rudolph 👍

[@Ilyaskhan-d9c]

Thanks Tiger for new vadio from Pakistan.

[@robronco]

too much focus on DEI instead of innovation...

[@AliMohamed-ox1bz]

Interesting.....

[@TiffanyShepherd-kjs7521]

The video is great, do you think there might be a video on the artimis program?

[@linecraftman3907]

kinda not much to report for now, everything is still in planning/development phase

[@TiffanyShepherd-kjs7521]

@@linecraftman3907yeah I guess the program is in its infancy

[@3nertia]

Because there are over 2000 billionaires on this planet hoarding more wealth *each* than any reasonable person could spend in *ten* lifetimes and not paying their fair share of taxes under capitalism to pay for such things ... Besides, we should at least get healthcare sorted before we care about going back to space lmfao

[@mattgreen6726]

Because we’ve never been.

[@FransJCMartins]

Here’s my thoughts: Mankind always attempts to improve, basically, in everything we do. Bigger, better, faster in everything. Technology has improved logarithmically, we carry more computing power in our pockets than was around in the 60-70’s. Yet… we “landed” on the moon then and could never repeat that. Why? Because we never went there in the first place? Or went there but never landed? If mankind is all about improving, why are there no colonies on the moon? Or prisons for those really, really bad people? Maybe the improving is still getting there and we are bound to land on the moon for the first time in the not so distant future…

[@hydromic2518]

The problem with this logic is the idea that mankind always attempts to improve. War is the most common case, it is costly, destroys infrastructure and human life and gains very little yet we do it all the time. Nvm greed, hatred, ignorance, fear and things done out of spite. The reason why NASA never went back to the moon after the Apollo program is more complex

[@linecraftman3907]

because we spent a crapton of money back then and we couldnt keep spending it this is trying to do the same but for way less money and actually build a base on the moon

[@michaelpieters1844]

@@linecraftman3907 Either you have the technology to do it or not. And it seems usa does not have the technology to do a moon landing.

[@cjay2]

Funny, but the older I get, and I'm old now, the less I believe that the US went to the moon, especially given how they are behaving now. Just saying.

[@cjay2]

@@michaelpieters1844 Seems that way to me, given how they are behaving now.

[@Prifly70]

Welp, there’s no blank check due to geopolitics this time around, yet. I was lucky to be raised by an L.E.M. engineer, so my view is a bit skewed towards “ My dad did it, why can’t you guys?” point of view. But really it’s money and public willingness. And money.

[@bluesquadron593]

One camera pointing down... No camera backup.... How heavy is to put a low res camera as backup. Feels like they are doing it for the money and not for success.

[@cjay2]

Feels like they're doing it for the first time. Funny, but the older I get, and I'm old now, the less I believe that the US went to the moon, especially given how they are behaving now. Just saying.

[@Itsuki220]

There is the real reason of their struggle: they are still figuring what is a kilometer.

[@yourdadoc7565]

The moon in my room.😢

[@kopazwashere]

this is what you get when you throw away NTRs in trash 60 years ago and only rediscover it, and cant even figure out ISRU using sabatier reaction. shrug.

[@cjay2]

Funny, but the older I get, and I'm old now, the less I believe that the US went to the moon, especially given how they are behaving now. Just saying.

[@KrunoslavStifter]

Because NASA can't find the bathroom.

[@PianoZecora]

Would not one or two missions carry enought cubesats to provide lunar GPS? (Omiting dark side for start?)

[@physicals]

The U.S. needs to hire a whole new space program, NASA isn’t what it was anymore

[@_afw_]

Wernher von Braun is dead. They would never have made it without him the first time.

[@asksearchknock]

Because we put Elmo in charge and he proved to be incompetent -

[@manuel.camelo]

Because the Martians live on the Moon already. Wake up.

[@ChaseWatkins.]

Because it was done with thousands of people with high efforts from all over the country which was backed by the people. People with a strong work ethic trying to be the Soviet Union. It was a greater generation.

[@TheNeonRabbit]

All it takes is enough money

[@goodson77784]

Feels like the first time. Feels like the very first time.

[@cjay2]

Exactly.

[@randomlife1943]

Green screen. That's how you do it

[@captainkite]

After seeing this I think It's time to take a step back and ask the tough question. Did we really land on moon?

[@garnet4846]

No.

[@cjay2]

Funny, but the older I get, and I'm old now, the less I believe that the US went to the moon, especially given how they are behaving now. Just saying.

[@oxcart4172]

My god. People still think that they didn't really go? In the 60s it would've been easier to go, rather than fake it!

[@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28]

Keep drinking that kool-aid 😂

[@oxcart4172]

@@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28 I'm old enough to remember it. And the Russians tracked at least Apollo 11 all the way to the moon and back! Don't u think that they would've mentioned it if they suspected any fakery? And let's not forget the 400,000+ people who worked to make it happen.

[@cjay2]

Not correct. Just saying.

[@logic-ally]

This are private companies attempting to land! Misleading!

[@tommyboi0]

Because we 'forgot how to go' because the 'files were destroyed'. You have to be smoking crack if that makes sense to you. Especially when looking at the amount of waste spending in the government, the idea that they wouldnt pay for more memory and needed to make space is insane.

[@nicholaslarson3778]

Decades of better technology should make it easier. If the new technology somehow doesn't work, then just do it the old way. We wouldn't seriously lose the details of humanities' greatest scientific achievement...

[@MattyEngland]

Don't forget NASA also claims they chucked the original footage in a cupboard, and then someone taped over it in the 1970s 😂😂😂

[@n3m37h]

What a janky landing conformation system. Why not use proximity sensors in the feet?

[@MattyEngland]

That would make far too much sense 😉

[@AradijePresveti]

If you want to return somewhere you had to go there in the first place

[@Boeing_hitsquad]

You're pathetic

[@MattyEngland]

Exactly. If the Americans did it in 1969, the Chinese would have been there 20 years ago. In hindsight it was a lie, and with every passing year it becomes more and more obvious.

[@cjay2]

Funny, but the older I get, and I'm old now, the less I believe that the US went to the moon, especially given how they are behaving now. Just saying.

[@andrewbeehler579]

And we were.

[@reylove33]

They never went in the first place. Your credibility continues to decline.

[@cjay2]

Funny, but the older I get, and I'm old now, the less I believe that the US went to the moon, especially given how they are behaving now. Just saying.

[@thenegociater3387]

Today, American manufacturing lacks quality in many fields. Its not due to cheap materials or bad design, but the lack of urgency and attention to detail. Assembly especially, is just a 9-5 job and workers are some of the most expensive in the world. American labor is expensive, but relatively poorly motivated. The craftsman is dead.

[@bradenmchenry995]

American manufacturing does stuff no other nation can do. The entire United States defense industry is in a league of its own.

[@bulend81]

Don’t invent excuses. USA has partners , European countries, Japan, Korea. They can provide it if possible

[@rnr4204]

⁠@@bradenmchenry995look at what the US spends on the defense industry compared to everyone else. If other countries spent as much as we do, we’d be left in the dust.

[@Nationalist8850]

US lost what it was meant to be US that's it Some people got together to make a country, everything went good They destroyed many other nations Went to moon Became superpower, But now riddled by growing extremism and complacency about work US is destroying itself due to its own people are responsible for it

[@bradenmchenry995]

@@rnr4204what you just said contradicts any point you ever had. “American manufacturing sucks”… only if they don’t spend money. The United States leads the world on propulsion, medicine, software, sensor technology and countless other segments. No other country on earth can compete with US engineering and manufacturing

[@SyNcLife]

Could China sell bandwith of their far-sided satellite to NASA to communicate with their landers?

[@kitzuni0]

Because americans are more interesting in theocracy and believing in fictional sky people, rather than focusing on relevant technologies and future development