Why the US Needs a Shift in Its China Strategy

Elizabeth Economy, Hargrove Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, discusses the need for the United States to rethink the approach to competition with China and provides insight into how the Chinese people really feel about their leader, Xi Jinping. Elizabeth speaks with Tom Keene and Paul Sweeney on Bloomberg Radio.
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[@mysticalwind4632]

The US needs to get along with the rest of the world. It's really that simple Anything that this lady says is complete nonsense.

[@MRT-co1sd]

Look at who she’s working for. They have their agenda.

[@valetudo1569]

The US has the largest web of allies and partnerships around the world. Your statement is factually incorrect, especially in regards to a video about China - the country who has problems with almost all of its neighbors + more

[@kundixue3]

@@valetudo1569 you need to get out of your bubble

[@308_Negra_Arroyo_Lane]

She is the epitome of the disgusting American.

[@akoyaja1625]

This is another bullshit for this women comment

[@godzillamothra5983]

When the US talked about engagement, it means obey us if you want to live in peace. Sorry, bullying works if you deal with banana republic, not China or Russia.

[@user-zc1xc1yz2j]

best comment

[@beegonee]

Aliens poke their heads...😅😅

[@ssuwandi3240]

And a guaranteed 0.1% interest printer. Who wants to bear 5.25%- more if their inflation is 2% average

[@ruggeddiscipline6026]

The USA bully 😂😂😂😂

[@miralu1279]

What she said is globalization = Americanization = following the orders of the United States.

[@valetudo1569]

If thats what you got, your English comprehension is quite poor

[@danielli9167]

we all tried and all got bullied/robbed.

[@valetudo1569]

@@danielli9167 China is the one who does the bullying and the one who most benefited from the globalization that was spearheaded by the US. They should thank them

[@johnchin1456]

You said "she", that's very presumptuous, now be very, very careful. You may get an 4am visit from the pronoun police

[@valetudo1569]

China is only something because of globalization, which allowed them to sell to the world. They best not bite the hand that fed them

[@308_Negra_Arroyo_Lane]

LMFAO. Engagement = everyone in the world must bow down to America? WTF?

[@Andy-P]

No , Xi expects everyone now to bow to him

[@Jerry-ii2yp]

Which countries in the world wouldn’t like to have its own vision, its own norms, its own value and its own interests? 😂

[@catinbootsnow4267]

Many don't. They just blindly follow what the US politicians tell them to do. Either they are scared of the US' big gun, or they are lured by the US dollar, or, they just believe the narrative from the US.

[@Hierarchy_Of_Power]

Superiority complex.

[@mannyman9359]

S This woman is talking nonsense

[@mgronich948]

Hoover institution is a center pillar of neocons. She and her type is driving force towards conflict described in the Thucydidies trap.

[@Andy-P]

Bonny talk a lot of sense.

[@ChinaCoachLeBlanc]

On the ground in china the people are excited, happy, heavily support the govt...and are all living better every year..

[@user-hb9jq7wb7l]

没错，为此我改了头像，表示支持

[@Andy-P]

Apart from those losing money in the real estate crash, stock market stagnation and are unemployed

[@danielli9167]

US visions for the world: all tried and all were bullied and robbed. The world need something new.

[@prajnasamadhi60]

What's wrong with China wants to have its own vision, and values? It's that a given in international relations?

[@Andy-P]

Democracies don't want to live under autocracies

[@xing288]

If some urban Chinese are unhappy, why is it a business of the US? Let the Chinese deal with it. Why can't the Americans just leave other countries alone? The Chinese do not impose their ideas on us, why must we always crusade against others who may think differently?

[@valetudo1569]

China is obsessed with the US, stop it. It also doesn't take a genius to understand why a country would take in all factors when determining its strategy and position against another country. People on youtube are so mind numbing -_-

[@TD1237]

Exactly. No-one wants the US to continue destroyying their countries. This is why China is a helpful force for multi-polarity and justice.

[@iggy5347]

Because we are white

[@evelynn_teoh]

because americans want taiwan's chips. all about chips. not so much about protecting taiwon. just saying to look good

[@JohnSmith-pw3yw]

No matter what the USA wants, if 1.5 billion people wants to better themselves peacefully. No one can stop them. Wake up.

[@Andy-P]

That what Bonny is saying. America and the west have woken up.

[@branbran9129]

😂😂 so called western experts .

[@merrick6484]

Yeah, they‘ve never set foot in China.😂

[@ssuwandi3240]

Trainwrecks indeed.. like these Hoover preacher ever helps build one railway or one airport landing in Africa.. While preaching Equity!!

[@datianlongan5567]

We won't learn if we continue to believe we are better & smarter than others. Instead, we should thank China for the wakeup calls and listen with humility to what they have to say. I would question Economy's insight of Chinese discontentment of their government. According the article "What the West Gets Wrong About China" in the Harvard Business Review, "Many Chinese believe that the country’s recent economic achievements have actually come about because of, not despite, China’s authoritarian form of government."

[@kundixue3]

Agree with your points. We have too many trend followers. Not enough thoughtful trend setters. Sadly people have to realize that they cannot solve the Chinese problem unless they try to understand China. All the introspective talk, thought, books, etc, are not anchored in reality. Stop indexing, reinventing your inner-thoughts. Go check out what China is about.

[@valetudo1569]

I know many Chinese who are quite unhappy with the government

[@YSKWatch]

80% happy, never be 100% in everything everywhere. 100% freedom is not necessary, that's the difference of point of view, because it only create jungle law (the strong control the weak) no matter how it prevented.

[@Western_Decline]

@@valetudo1569most I know are very happy with Chinese government. My American friends seem to hate their useless democracy government.

[@urbestboy]

@@valetudo1569the same in the US

[@amunra5330]

All empires fall-the US is no different

[@ianthesiow3013]

❤😢.. 👉🏻👉🏼👉🏽 America calls it "Liberation" instead of "Invasion". That was what US call it in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and the list goes on... Why the double standard? Confused... Please enlighten. Genuine question... Instances of the United States "liberated" or overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government) China 1949 to early 1960s Albania 1949-53 East Germany 1950s Iran 1953 * Guatemala 1954 * Costa Rica mid-1950s Syria 1956-7 Egypt 1957 Indonesia 1957-8 British Guiana 1953-64 * Iraq 1963 * North Vietnam 1945-73 Cambodia 1955-70 * Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 * Ecuador 1960-63 * Congo 1960 * France 1965 Brazil 1962-64 * Dominican Republic 1963 * Cuba 1959 to present Bolivia 1964 * Indonesia 1965 * Ghana 1966 * Chile 1964-73 * Greece 1967 * Costa Rica 1970-71 Bolivia 1971 * Australia 1973-75 * Angola 1975, 1980s Zaire 1975 Portugal 1974-76 * Jamaica 1976-80 * Seychelles 1979-81 Chad 1981-82 * Grenada 1983 * South Yemen 1982-84 Suriname 1982-84 Fiji 1987 * Libya 1980s Nicaragua 1981-90 * Panama 1989 * Bulgaria 1990 * Albania 1991 * Iraq 1991 Afghanistan 1980s * Somalia 1993 Yugoslavia 1999-2000 * Ecuador 2000 * Afghanistan 2001 * Venezuela 2002 * Iraq 2003 * Haiti 2004 * Somalia 2007 to present Honduras 2009 * Libya 2011 * Syria 2012 Ukraine 2014 * 2014 - 2022 - 9 countries yet to verify. Pakistan 2022 * Haiti 2022 * Israel 2023 Niger 2023

[@ex0duzz]

If you look at the polls, cpc has 95.5% approval rating at the national level. 13 year Harvard poll from 2003-2016. Every other western poll has the same numbers and proves this is the mainstream view. Before you go and say "Chinese cannot disapprove", local government only had around 11% or something. Same as us congress numbers. But at national level, it's obvious most Chinese approve of the direction and development and running of the country. Local issues they are more lacking and discontent but those are local issues and not "Chinese want to overthrow the gov because no free speech" or "they hate xi". It's obvious Xi is popular and well supported. No leader who is hated will be leader for long. That's not how China works! Why would cpc keep a hated leader or incompetent one? They wouldn't. It would only hurt themselves and the party and country, and it would be stupid. Chinese aren't stupid else they would not keep rising like they are. Look up latana democracy index poll 2022-2023 etc. China ranks first in democracy index. Most Chinese think they have the right amount of democracy and most Chinese think they are a democracy. Compare with USA, it's or any other country in the world. China comes out first on most democracy index and approval ratings. It's not a secret. She is obviously biased and talking about "under the surface" there is possibly discontent. Lol. In other words she is just making shit up with zero numbers or polls to back up her anti china views. And this is supposed to be some china expert? Please.

[@Andy-P]

China is facing many headwinds and many Chinese see this. What they goingvto do '- vote Xi out

[@X-H-Wu]

If Americans think China is threatening them, why not just decouple and leave China alone and let China go its own way? Why Americans always want to subdue China to maintain its hegemony status? China has the absolute right to grow strong.

[@bobdoe38]

Sounds like repeat of Cold War strategies 😂

[@ruggeddiscipline6026]

The USA is mad 😂😂😂😂

[@ntokozolugogo4762]

Forget about Africa, we don't want colonialism here

[@valetudo1569]

China is the biggest modern colonial power

[@danielli9167]

do not want to be called shxx hole country either.

[@valetudo1569]

China is the modern colonial power. Also, Africa was never mentioned in the video. Stop it, WuMao

[@TD1237]

@@valetudo1569 Firstly, no, it is not. China has been extremely helpful in allowing African countries to become more independent. Secondly, Africa was mentioned in the video. I wonder if you really watched it?

[@valetudo1569]

@@TD1237 China is exploiting them for their resources and UN votes. Bribing their officials for favorable trade deals

[@ntokozolugogo4762]

Do Americans have freedom that you busy preaching to the world

[@mgronich948]

Julian Assange? What about the president of cal-state sonoma who was fired for agreeing with student protesters?

[@haniahannslew4108]

They send national guards to campuses to arrest students for peaceful protest against wars and Jen- ocide.

[@david-bd6td]

US is afraid of china's rise ...😅

[@stevensteven3425]

Read the book of Prof Graham Allison "Thucydides Trap" and it will explain why.

[@Andy-P]

Agreed. Now they are doing something about it.

[@kraz007]

Hoover institute is such a giveaway

[@hyuxion]

Consider the manufacturing output and industrial indices for sectors like steel, concrete, electricity, car manufacturing, and shipping. It's clear from these metrics which nation is the leading global power.

[@user-hb9jq7wb7l]

航空业，我们还要很长路要走，我们在中国共产党领导下，走和平发展互利互惠的政策，

[@Andy-P]

Agreed A leading global power. As Bonny says a threat to the western way of life

[@randall_c_6163]

America has no moral high ground versus China and the world see it. Who would buy up American government debt at a same or large quality as how much China did during 2007-2008? America is facing a government bond bubble that would cost Americas reserve currency status. What did you respect when America is printing more bonds to pay of last year bond interest meaning more bond would need to be printed out next year. There was a critical threshold and America has crossed in the after math of covid. Before they cross it it can be rebalance without a crash and either by reducing goverment spending on benefits or military spending or increase personal or corporate tax however now America can’t do so without cause other problem like hurting American business or house hold spending. The Chinese real estate bubble can be fix it’s a matter of filtering out bad debt which is improving if effort by the CCP to buy up unfinished project then outsourcing it to be completed. The last option America has without cost the American elites anything is to start a war against China and by doing so it would give America an excuse to relinquish there government bond obligation while also confiscating China foreign assets. This is what the American elites mean when they say America would not pay off its debt or that American reserve currency status is because of the large military. They are pointing a gun to get people to buy over valued American government bond, why over value because the asset it self Ie the bond issue them self are so far in the negative.

[@zarkelee]

well said!

[@MichaelYoung-gl8ou]

She thinks Americanization is globalization.

[@rontsang4308]

You need to live in China and get a sense of how happy the people and families are in general. I live there for 6 months starting a new company and I can’t wait to get back. The energy is fantastic and you are looking at this through a dated lens with all the old world view baggage.

[@albertcadgame8314]

SHE IS BEING PAID BY THE US - not looking thru dated lens with old world view.

[@fioniafrankin7429]

this lady is not qualified to be in charge of any economy related institution

[@Andy-P]

Typical CCP comment. If you don't agree with them you are not worthy

[@raymondchin3660]

Restart American Slavery and colonialism. What good have you done?

[@waichui2988]

How about changing to an attitude of accepting China as they are and respect their culture as an equal? How about changing to an attitude of respecting all cultures as equals. How about changing to a position of not printing money and producing more. How about changing the military centric posture of American foreign policy?

[@Andy-P]

Accepting Chinese mercantilist policies .... no thanks. I want a job

[@teatree6228]

Tonya Harding approach

[@HIMANSHU79879]

Usa is brutal colonial country that cant see any other succeed her

[@lang2823]

every country must service for america that what this people think hahaha.

[@gj8550]

1:19 ‘we are at 90% completion and 10% engagement…we got it about right now’. Does anyone really expect her to say anything different?😂😂😂

[@sxz62]

It's easier saying than doing for US to expand US allies. You need to show them the money, they won't listen to you if they get no benefits. Unfortunately US is no longer able to provide much money to them.

[@celine_2084]

nothing comprehensive strategy, just compaining (china is not what us expected) like ex-

[@bobcat6751]

3:52 The real questions is not how we should engaged with China. The real questions is should the US share power with China in the world! China thinks they have more people then you [the US] their economy is as big as you, they should have more say in the world then they currently do and the US is stooping them. The is the nature of the conflict.

[@ssuwandi3240]

Not just that. China as a major EM play would help lead in EM development China has seemed massively switching their focus the past decade. The world seems big enough playground to thrive

[@phillip76]

U.S. don 't want to share power. You just have look at articles from foreign policy think tank. They just want U.S. to stay in power, or to dominate the world.

[@Andy-P]

Agreed. That is what China wants. Means America abandoning her friends and allies to Putin and Xi

[@cleve21ful]

I think at this point, Americans would also like the greater freedom of speech and to protest, but reality is hitting them hard. I think every country is willing to engage, but on an equal basis, not the "international rules" that were set by the USA and Europe to significantly benefit themselves. The only countries that are willing to submit to that is Japan, S. Korea, Philippines, and recently Ukraine.

[@sydca5365]

Losers are focusing on winners, winners are focusing on winning.

[@Andy-P]

America loves winner's

[@albertcadgame8314]

I TOTALLY don't agree with this host, she said Chinese people in China is not happy ?!!! Watch some the CGTN videos, all of them clapped their hands when Xi arrived to meet them. Not only in China that people like Xi, but around the world. Just look at how Serbia, giving a BIG WELCOME to Xi when Xi visit Serbia in May 2024, with a very large crowds welcoming Xi. Honestly have you seen any leaders being welcome from such large crowds like a super-star welcome style ?

[@Andy-P]

Authoritarian governments control the media

[@tedwong7037]

america is more like soviet union in the cold war

[@TD1237]

They are more like what they portray the Soviets as being like - domineeering and coIoniaI in nature. In reality, the Soviets were generally a force for good. That's why African and Asian countries tend to have positive views on them.

[@mahadevdesai4407]

Madam, do you know China aggression on land and sea all over with neighbouring countries? What is point of maintaining relations with China?

[@trails3597]

Hoover institute is Libertarian. ie Republican, business oriented, capitalist.

[@babahanuman83]

Oligarchic antidemocratic warmongering

[@user-me9ku6it1o]

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[@woodensurfer]

After US unpopular shielding of Israel at the UN, how long will it take for obloquy on the US by much of the rest of the world to wear thin before any possibility of the US promoting any ideal? US advocacy on ideals has become quite stale after its thoughtless harboring of Israel.

[@fallplain]

For god damn once, can US mind its own business and fix its own problem before meddling in others? Who the hell are you? Can you worry about the regular Americans who are discontent at home instead those in other countries?

[@Andy-P]

America has friends and allies who are threatened by Xi and Putin.

[@AIPretendingToBeHuman]

Without listening to the interview, I can almost guess what she's going to say based on the fact she's from the Hoover Institute. Same place as Michael McFaul, former US Ambassador to Russia.

[@jameswong07]

USA should mind her internal mess , instead of messing China .

[@qigao7339]

Was there a strategy? Hard to tell, if any American Politician are accountable for what they say or write... there won't be any politician in the States.

[@milosnestorovic1594]

It is thing Interests and Agreement complete..

[@ex0duzz]

Her name is Elizabeth ECONOMY? LOL

[@Crom21]

American vision ?? Or American dominance !!

[@TheFlagUnit]

Dominance 🎉

[@PonuSarsar]

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[@PriyaPriya-be5wj]

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[@hawkychg3930]

Precisely this kind of thinking gets us into the war

[@Andy-P]

Indeed war not surrender

[@hawkychg3930]

@@Andy-P hey Rambo, why don't you and your kids go to the front line and fight it all.

[@Andy-P]

@@hawkychg3930 Will they be facing yours?

[@hawkychg3930]

@@Andy-P nope and I think you are either a fraud patriot or being brainwashed by the big government and media to continue military excursions. I don't need my hard earned tax dollar go fund the military industry complex just to benefit a few.

[@hawkychg3930]

@@Andy-P I fought for red, white, and blue. You, on the other hand, are either a fraud patriot or oblivious that being brainwashed by big government military complex. I rather fight the big corporations and big government for my hard earned tax than continue to subsidize the life style of rich corrupt politicians

[@lokedcm]

The fear is the damage is marked . The stigma is too damaging for a return to cordial relationships!

[@alvinseah5423]

Elizabeth. Economy with the truth.

[@kevinlin4895]

Err no.. the US is at 10% engagement (on a few small ticket items like climate change), 30% on competition (on few areas where the US is still competitive), and 60% on CONTAINMENT.. ie: cold war

[@Andy-P]

China is 99% confrontation with the west. Does not accept anything they say Xi is right on everything.....

[@JCSY1]

Done well??? ...😂😂😂 Great success in making more people and countries to run away from them instead. Maybe can trick 3 yrs kids.

[@DanBurgaud]

Sanctions, Tariffs, Strategy is doing great for China. What is there to shift?

[@Andy-P]

Then why does China complain so bitterly?

[@sb_ayar]

Will Revux outpace XRP in the next pump? Looks promising!

[@ianLord77]

You silly, silly hen! When will you finally realize that there is nothing exceptional about us, we are just another country and unless and until we start respecting the interests of others and stop trying to bully everyone that is different or does not thinks like we do or does not do what we want them to do, this country will continue going down.

[@Andy-P]

America should surrender to China?

[@Issavibe3]

How is china modernizing poor countries is a threat to US interests 😂

[@albertcadgame8314]

the fear of China leading the world. But China has no intention of that, China only want to trade and build a shared future for the world community.

[@georgelim3651]

This economist is talking nonsense. She said Chinese pay a lot of emphasis on freedom or speech and assembly. In fact, the Chinese are more interested in filing up their stomachs and having a roof on their heads and a job. They don’t want the kind of divisive politics that exist in the USA. They remember the days when the warlords f different provinces were fighting a civil war against the Kuomintang party of Chiang Kai Shek. I wonder whether this lady really know anything about China or has lived in China to really understand what is going on.

[@Laker123abc]

Can she take an IQ TEST? Let us know the result. thank you

[@willgates8383]

What’s even sadder, is that so many Americans agree with what she says 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Andy-P]

​@@willgates8383Not just Americans but many westerners. China will have to fight that war and win to get her way

[@youarebeingtrolled6954]

US had 30 years of supremacy and did jack squat with global south except starting wars, now they want to engage😂

[@roddiechan]

imperial exceptionalism on full display

[@roddiechan]

hard to get rid of its spots being a leopard🤣All these think tanks are paid actors for the US

[@YoungOneYT]

China has the right to defend itself

[@MangarajuKandagori]

Reallocating to BTC and Revux, with some BNB and ADA.

[@swartilodhilodhi4893]

Get in on Revux now, or you’ll regret it later!

[@user-yt7dq2kl2t]

Talking about legitimacy of Chinese government is just senseless. This is not a question that should be asked by you Americans.

[@Andy-P]

They have given up on that

[@sweesboey7177]

I don't know who this lady is, but please, please leave Southeast Asia alone. We really don't want more "engagement" from the USA. Look what happened to US "engagement" with Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine.

[@Andy-P]

Ukraine is fighting for their very existence against China best friend Russia The rest of Europe fears Russia They have nukes vast major of Europe has not.

[@zolamadda5980]

What a clueless group of people.

[@troyano-vision]

Economic Development (Desarrollo Economico)

[@user-vj4ry3pk7e]

The world does not want to become new caledonia2.0

[@Jamie-nt3eh]

why should any country adopt America view of world?

[@Andy-P]

Shared values and goals. Something they don't share with China

[@dfad654]

US really want to be like china❤️ ok, i know❤️

[@jaytan915]

What a disaster

[@Leoq-zk6wt]

Elizabeth, you really do not know anything about China, really, I mean, Chinese people do complain, a lot, but thats just because complaining gets them some result, they are not against their government, especially when their lives are improving (long term improving I'm talking about here, not in 3-5 years terms, more like 10, 20 years). Can you imagin when I was a child, how poor we were, and how much better our lives have became? If you think some Chinese want to overturn their government, think there are 100,000 times more people want to keep the government and let it contiue doing its jobs.

[@Andy-P]

Can the CCP continue to deliver improvements with all the headwinds. Europe is now doing what China does and protect their industry China relies on exports to rich countries. China threatens her best customers

[@Leoq-zk6wt]

@@Andy-P please, think with your head. unless China is stupid, it will not threaten its best customers. So I guess you and many of those people who are against China think China IS stuipid. then, it make sense.

[@Andy-P]

@@Leoq-zk6wt China's best customer is America and it threatens them. I do not think China is stupid. On the contary. The issue is China needs to change it's economic model to stimulate more domestic demand. This would help the Chines people, help the Chinese economy and not involve so much exporting so not upset America and other western nations. But the potential political cost of this change seems to high a price for the CCP

[@Leoq-zk6wt]

@@Andy-P thank you for your reply. CPC (ccp according to you) is learning, adapting, and many times makiing mistakes along the way. I don't think CPC would get this far by doing all things wrong, or even half the things wrong.

[@Andy-P]

@@Leoq-zk6wt There are not doing all things wrong. Some important things I think they are getting wrong. The economic policy being one. Because the CCP ideology rejects “Western” consumerism.

[@yunshenghe932]

Too late.

[@AartiSaini-my3qy]

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[@johnsmith-mp4pr]

lots of china bots in the chat :) we see you

[@youarebeingtrolled6954]

Ni hao byatch

[@FattymcstattyMcormick-pv6pj]

Oy vey

[@spartanares4345]

I love all the 50 cent army comments lol - that’s a sign of a secure regime

[@Western_Decline]

i love that American think tanks only have pro-American opinions totally detached from global opinion. Very secure.

[@spartanares4345]

@@Western_Decline Coming from the moron who names himself "Western_Decline" - very unbiased and secure for sure.

[@huas5350]

When Americans can't accept or convince others around the world of opposing views, giving commenters a CCP or 50 Cent status makes them feel like they're winning again 😅

[@spartanares4345]

@@Western_Decline When someone names their username as "Western_Decline", it shows their level of breath taking insecurities - please don't breed.

[@spartanares4345]

@@huas5350 I'm sorry, how many friends do you have in the Indo Pacific? Didn't think so. There's a 100% probability that your mother gave birth to you at a truck stop. Run along now little 50 cent boy.

[@NoOne-to6do]

This lady is a warmonger.

[@HIMANSHU79879]

Usa is brutal colonial country that cant see any other succeed her