Why there's no one inside this Spider-Man suit

CGI superheroes are more common than you think.
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On June 9, 1995, Batman Forever introduced audiences to what was likely the first CGI stunt double.
In a few brief shots, a digital double lept from tall buildings and swung on a grappling hook, and was used to convince viewers that Bruce Wayne was more “super” than the average man. Since then, superheroes and digidoubles have gone hand in hand. Protagonists in superhero films often wear masks or skin-tight bodysuits, which makes them perfect candidates for digital replacement; fabric is way easier to replicate digitally than skin.
Technology has only improved over the years, which means digidoubles are used for so much more than just “super” sequences. Today, digidoubles are used to give filmmakers and artists flexibility. Instead of being locked into what they’re able to shoot during principal photography, they can add and remove shots, completely change characters' costumes, and rewrite the script if they need to - long after filming is over.
The video above breaks down some surprising uses of digidoubles in superhero movies - and shows just how often they appear in modern movies.
Correction: At 6:18, we mistakenly labeled Avengers: Infinity War as Avengers: Endgame.
Further reading:
The Verge: "That massive airport fight in Captain America: Civil War was almost entirely digital" www.theverge.com/2016/5/12/11...
VFX Futures Podcast" Looking back on the digital human breakthroughs in Spider-Man 2 beforesandafters.com/2021/12/...
Rodeo FX: Breaking down the breakdown on Shang-Chi shows how digidoubles get integrated on a recent Marvel film vimeo.com/663434886
Befores and Afters: When you have to craft not 1 Spider-Man but 3 beforesandafters.com/2022/01/...
Imageworks VFX: Spider-Man Homecoming digidouble breakdowns www.imageworks.com/our-craft/...
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[@Vox]

Replacing a fabric or metallic costume is way easier than replicating skin or a human face. Find out why it’s so hard to make CGI skin look real, here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKepoH6hjN6Na7s

[@Valery0p5]

The Hollywood cart3l really likes the money and fame from these 3D animations, who cares about the real artists.

[@moonicadragalin5343]

l Love you wow

[@SpiritSlayer1]

Hi

[@psychopath1017]

Interesting

[@1BrknHrtdRomeo]

I know what's real and what's CG b/c I worked on some of them lol

[@Fuzbo_]

Vox: “I love how Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man waits until the absolute last second to shoot the web” Gwen: 😢

[@sahilkhurana_]

her digidouble died

[@ArchangelExile]

Too soon

[@Darkest_matter]

@@ArchangelExile too soon wym?

[@21minute]

@@ArchangelExile It's been a decade, mate.

[@wanmilyas7665]

@@21minute this vid legit came out yesterday

[@ludoviajante]

Andrew was my favorite spiderman precisely because of the web swinging, say what you want about his movies, but this part was top notch (or should I say "amazing"?)

[@ncuco]

His relationship with gwen could have been a mini series on its own.

[@yang11197]

caramba. o ludo aqui. doido

[@kernel2190]

The clock tower sequence is one of the best and most clever scene I’ve ever seen

[@Fallbr00kwhat]

Best spider man hands down

[@sunnehh]

So sad we didn't see much of his web swinging style in NWH

[@itsironboyjr7182]

Mad respect for the VFX artists especially on the scenes where we don’t notice there are visual effects, like the scene on the scaffolding in Shang Chi. Especially in recent marvel projects though the

[@neerajoshi6593]

*_casually cuts off comm_*

[@gauressi3579]

@@neerajoshi6593 ikr😂😂

[@ethanael_yovan]

i think he is a digidouble that just accidentally got deleted

[@UncleP4pr1k4]

Yeah, who would have thought hulk was just mo-cap

[@SwarumtheForum]

what happened to your

[@talhamasood0000]

2050: Marvel deciding cast after filming whole movie

[@OKieYoSHigHhost]

"Its the Epitome of Spiderman" The single best statement to describe the opening scene of TASM2 and many within it.

[@suzy2005]

Lol youtube made me rate how your comment was so I gave you 5 stars and checked all the boxes. I agree as well

[@OKieYoSHigHhost]

@@suzy2005YT has comment ratings now? Jeeeez thats a whole new level lol - but I appreciate it !

[@charliepea]

If they replace all actors, settings, etc with full digital technology, would it still be considered "live-action"?

[@nathonso_edits]

The Garfield suit still looks amazing (pun intended) the way the fabric ripples and the animation on those swinging scenes is incredible, the Holland suit just looks so weird like its painted on and not a real fabric.

[@rumblingstation3440]

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[@treznopresto4878]

Don't listen to the guy above (btw sorry, i'm not pointing at the one that made the original comment! Before it was deleted, there's someone self advertising their channel and wishes you a bad luck) Edit: Oh yeah i forgot to comment about the original comment topic, maybe there some kind of material difference on Holland suit that makes it doesn't ripple like the others!

[@idkwhatsagoodusername2007]

I feel like I’m the only person that likes how Hollands og suit looked. Like it didn’t look as realistic but idk I thought it was cool that it looked like it just molded around his body and didn’t wrinkle

[@CptMagnus]

At least the Stark-Version probably isn't made of fabric at all. Lots of Nanotech in there

[@AbiNubli]

I blame the producers. They wanted it to not have wrinkles as wrinkles make it not looking superheroic. But, I disagree with them.

[@titanqueen13]

If so much of the movement and action of these characters are made by VFX artists and animators, they deserved to be paid way more than they currently are.

[@ezio934]

Aren't they atleast motion captured?

[@StatusQuo2179]

Have you any idea how much they are paid currently?

[@emblemofflathpfate9912]

@@StatusQuo2179 way less than the actors who barely even act in these movies, apparently.

[@TheRazter]

@@ezio934 There's still a lot of work and retouches to do after the motion capture is done

[@thatjasonguy4537]

@@ezio934 Some of them, I'd say the minority of them are motion captured. And that's only if the data they get is usable and there's still a tonne of work that has to go into processing that data.

[@opusmaximum]

But seriously, the digidouble of Tom Holland often looks really bad - like painted skin.

[@vladbeaver667]

It’s because fabric doesn’t have any folds like the real cloth

[@AryanSharma-zs8yl]

Skin and bones

[@austinjoseph2881]

Yeah it does. Not sure how Andrew Garfields got it right years before

[@tamukamurapiro6272]

I liked tobeys suit better

[@Rck-vert]

@@tamukamurapiro6272 That's because his spiderman was old school and actually wore his suit more, unlike Holland & Garfield.

[@L3SSTH4NL33T]

It blows my mind that of all the movies on screen at 6:18, Doctor Strange is the one with the fewest VFX shots

[@ninjafruitchilled]

One forgets how much VFX is used for "mundane" stuff nowadays, vs the wild stuff in Dr Strange that obviously had to be VFX ;)

[@krishmangat3224]

The Batman was a breath of fresh air

[@SamGoldenMan]

Everytime i say that vfx artists should be more paid then the actors

[@bimapringgo]

How often do people go see a movie because their favorite vfx artist worked on it?

[@luigitrippitelli2333]

@@bimapringgo i would go watch a movie where the VFX artists of tasm worked on

[@SamGoldenMan]

@@bimapringgo cuz the media don't give them enough credit If u were a vfx artist u would know it hurts

[@giovannip8600]

There's more of them than the actors, many more...

[@bimapringgo]

@@luigitrippitelli2333 Can you name one of them without looking at IMDb?

[@mformarsala974]

Marvel has been increasingly copious in their usage of VFX. They opt to film even mundane scenes in front of a green/blue screen and then add settings in post instead of actually constructing sets and creating props. Why? Art directors, set decorators, and set dressers have unions. VFX artists don't.

[@prongsletaelin]

Yeah that does make a lot of sense, aside from the other reasons

[@garuna5688]

lol if that's the case then why do they bother building any sets at all? Don't look up behind the scenes of the dark knight. You'd be heartbroken when you realize that Nolan also build partial sets of mundane building interiors and had the walls covered in green screen. Guess he wanted that sweet non union money too

[@elinn1405]

@@garuna5688 that's not marvel

[@garuna5688]

@@elinn1405 that's the point lol

[@cruzefx3652]

Exactly! Let the vfx artists rework the same shot 300 times until they are happy, as they can work 24/7

[@kingMadnus]

I could always tell that the Spider-Man scenes were 100% digital

[@idrk3707]

ok bud

[@ReconMalfunction]

@@idrk3707 it isn’t hard

[@fireaza]

Wow, you're such a discerning film buff!

[@user-yk3bd2ee5q]

@FN-1701AgentGodzillaRangerPrime Ω and that's the joke.

[@samuraisings5105]

I didn't 💀

[@containedhurricane]

It's easier to make a digital-double for a character that wears a skin-tight suit, as compared to unmasked character with a flowy cloth like Doctor Strange

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[@neos9934]

@@rumblingstation3440 bozo

[@shouryaaswal5681]

@@neos9934 don't reply to people like these. They want attention. Just report them

[@Kamirasu]

@@shouryaaswal5681 they get paid if they get replies

[@frankcastle1862]

@@Kamirasu fr?

[@johnnyc937]

That's probably the reason why Marvel's film always looks so CGish...

[@TheSundayShooter]

The manufactured look of soulless productions

[@vectoralphaAI]

@@TheSundayShooter I love it.

[@chelseak3388]

it is

[@XavierLeong]

yeah that's why...

[@Just_a_ghost713]

The call of duty of cinema.

[@zoom3993]

Spiderman - Far from real

[@Sreedath]

🤣🤣🤣

[@QuarioQuario54321]

Christopher Nolan be like: Nearly everything in his trilogy was real

[@cautious8534]

GOAT

[@bait5257]

He isn't that realistic.

[@aviationgod3105]

Oh hi Quario!

[@swaroop7021]

@@bait5257 oh yes he is. And you're going to reply with Interstellar movie aren't you?

[@TEZProd]

True. Tenet’s airplane crash to a building scene was real. Mindblown.

[@JamesRoyceDawson]

I feel like most of the time it’s uncanny and really takes away from the scene. I prefer the iron man suit from the first film because they actually had physical suits for a lot of it.

[@giovannip8600]

Agree

[@wallacesantos0]

I think the first Iron Man suit looks better just because it's more solid, feels heavy and sounds more heavy and mechanical, and not because there is or isn't physical versions of it on the real world.

[@muf1772]

The human brain is really good at picking up what motions are possible in the real world and which ones aren't. A lot of the "superhero" animations look cartoony as a result, to the detriment of suspension of disbelief. It's one of the many things that put me off Marvel films. The Batman was a breath of fresh air in that sense, and it helps that Robert Pattinson is the first "modern" batman to not look completely jacked-- he's actually a believable Bruce Wayne.

[@fadelzaen]

And also because in later films, ironman's body proportion is changed to look more like in comic book (long legs and short torso).

[@starkiller007]

@@EprothStudios Then it's not entirely CG.

[@sandhanitizer15]

I liked the raised webbing on Holland's suit. I wish they stuck with that.

[@rn6312]

I don't. That means it would have been like the other SM films which.. it needed to set itself apart from, even with the costume. Besides, he doesn't have raised webbing in the comics.

[@garuna5688]

No it's been done before. They needed his suit to be different.

[@rumblingstation3440]

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[@Baconchilldophin]

@@rumblingstation3440 dislike=♾️

[@leigmabaols239]

@@rn6312 Tom's spider doesn't even comic accurate, no hate tho.

[@shinsenshogun900]

Huge respect to the studio effects designers and the lawyers! Delivering everything they could to produce cinematic delights.

[@Johnny-kp9bj]

Yes, thank goodness for the lawyers

[@film79]

@@Johnny-kp9bj I assume OP through the lawyers thing in as bait to get replies, and it worked.

[@augustusstark]

and doctors too!

[@VeeRoxy]

Yeah they’re really good lawyers.

[@rumblingstation3440]

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[@jmathew2011]

Loved how the WandaVision transition swipe had Wanda-magic styling as opposed to a straight white line, details... Also, I instantly hit like for the extra effort couch jump at @4:54 😁👍🏽

[@rumblingstation3440]

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[@2totabon]

Not giving the filmmakers the flexibility of a vfx heavy workflow/production-giving the STUDIO the flexibility..

[@garuna5688]

You have no idea how movies are made do you?

[@2totabon]

@@garuna5688 Why don't you show me?

[@2totabon]

@@garuna5688 we've got movies we're doing for technical or artistic posterity, ones we do so we can do the ones we really want to do, ones that we dont get final cut on, ones that youve heard of, ones you havent, ones by Lumet and others by Lynch. It feels fairly hollow going down this avenue because its merely for the prosperity of the buildings already towering over everything...

[@garuna5688]

@@2totabon The filmmakers especially the directors are heavily involved in the previs of every shot and they have the final say. You have no idea how movies are made and your unhinged rant proves it lol.

[@2totabon]

@@garuna5688 they do NOT have final say. ESPECIALLY at the budget that these already previsualized comic book films are shot under. you're delusional in that respect. and i thought i was rather hinged.

[@kamalakhan3586]

Yeah it might seem impressive when things are filmed practically, but we can’t forget the time and effort that the vfx designers are putting into the movie

[@kalmanta1824]

The fact that they don’t get the time to perfect their work, it’s a shame. Because I’m sure the new Spiderman movie could look so much better in nearly every way, from lighting, composition, practical/digital work.

[@ecak6124]

@@kalmanta1824 well they work with limited time

[@LzysGraphics]

@@ecak6124 and that's the fault of marvel, big fan, but starting to see a lot of the criticism they get is often valid. How are they gonna film and shoot the entirety of No way home and not have had the suit finalized yet. just seems greedy

[@SadeN_0]

Maybe we should support their unionization efforts. Actors, directors, cinematographers, writers all have their guilds. VFX artists for the most part do not.

[@Hugo-mh1pe]

This really goes to show why these superhero movies feel so unmoored and fabricated. These VFX artists have incredible skill, but when you use it to alter and change almost everything in a scene it just loses its sense of reality and becomes ungrounded. Not every single detail in every single shot needs to be carefully curated to that extent, it just feels redundant and plastic to me.

[@assassin8636]

I think what you're saying here is somewhat is wrong here especially the" it loses the reality and redundant and plastic"

[@tanjimpurno2560]

The VFX artists deserve more limelight than the actors of the superhero movies.

[@Tabootrinket]

I'd say that goes to stunt doubles instead. Ultimately they're the ones who make the movie believable. Because otherwise, you sometimes end up with scenes like the last fight of Black Panther (which was beyond terrible for a movie like this)

[@PierreMcCray]

not at all. I'm a vfx artist and it's tough work but the actors bring personality to the characters. Animators rely on the movement and personal touch of the actors to make the character feel real. Everyone in production is very important but I certainly wouldn't take anything away from actors

[@abhi4154]

@@Tabootrinket not at all i am a vfx artist most of the mocaps are reanimated and exajuirated to make them look more cooler we practically have to redo all the animations even if its mocapped

[@bigphilly08]

Not more than the actors but more for sure

[@DarthOreo94]

Love the quality of Vox's videos! Keep it up!

[@Acupofpassion]

Their videos are ok not great tho

[@rumblingstation3440]

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[@PouLS]

@@Acupofpassion I agree

[@TimberWulfIsHere]

Some videos*

[@yogeshm5972]

Marvel loves to iterate. Subtle way of saying Marvel loves to redo our renders every single time !

[@catarinabarbosa2247]

this

[@khalilahd.]

Wow they could’ve fooled me. Such a cool breakdown

[@ShannonLH1108]

Martin Scorsese referred to superhero movies as "theme parks" and he's not wrong.

[@LostUtopiaFilms]

He’s overgeneralizing like most directors who get asked about superhero movies

[@jdrummerdd]

omg you are so smart, where did you hear that? when it was all anyone was talking about??

[@dannybenhur6123]

Martin Scorsese is worried about regular movies being released in Streaming services and theme park movies are released in theaters/cinema, but think about it would go out, spend on travel by car or anything just to see regular human stuff, when we go cinema, we expect a spectacle.

[@hueypautonoman]

Can we talk about how awesome the name Lon Molnar is? It sounds like the name of a wizard in an RPG.

[@js100serch]

I understand when they have to use digital doubles on scenes when they drop from building or do very dangerous stuff. But for a scene where the character is just standing there or speaking to someone I don't understand why they use a CG character. That makes the movies feel soulless and sterile. You know it is true and you feel it, we just decide to ignore it because of the spectacle and the story, but you know deep inside how shallow these movies sometimes feel.

[@chandramoulisarkar2935]

I love the initial explanation why that scene form TASM 2 is the epitome of spider man. The suit rippling and the swinging action...

[@Markone99]

The editors and FX artists of these movies are just incredible... I didn't think these were THAT edited, let alone almost completely without a guman

[@Markone99]

Ah yes, guman

[@youtuberdddd]

you could just hear the sudden self doubt when he said "a real human couldn't do that"

[@lukesandoval2032]

The fact that you don't really hear people talking about how good the time suits were in Avengers endgame proves how great they were, because people just assumed they were real

[@AkshayBhuj]

How many takes did he take to land on the sofa so perfectly?? 🤔

[@S-CB-SL-Animations]

I'd probably say... _several._ I don't know. 🤔

[@cityuser]

Just one, it was fixed with VFX in post!

[@drccddmm]

He didn't do it. It was his digidouble

[@ReviewGuy01]

two. the first one was because he forgot the line second one everything was perfect p/s: I know him, he's the best spider-man in the spider-man secret society of San Francisco.

[@jessetorres8738]

No Way Home was probably the closest we'll ever get to a live action Spider-Man Vs. Sinister Six movie.

[@Sneaker3719]

Give it 5 more years. Another Spiderman franchise will come out and they'll be sure to do that next time.

[@antoniomv9444]

@@Sneaker3719 Nah, there is three more movies with this spidey.

[@kookybuger]

@@Sneaker3719 I would say 15, the MCU isn't going away anytime to soon plus Sony's Spiderman villain cinematic universe isn't working out so well either

[@piyushshedke9735]

@@Sneaker3719 another mcu trilogy has been confirmed long ago

[@terabhaiultrasexy]

Animators should be paid more than the actors imo

[@aliensoup2420]

You mean to say actors should be paid LESS than animators. It requires several animators to produce a single character in a movie - so they would all have to be paid millions of $ for a single show. Not gonna happen. You don't understand the basics of economics. There is only 1 Tom Holland, but there are thousands of potential animators that could move his digital double around. Tom Holland is scarce, but animators are not.

[@eltocodogo]

@@aliensoup2420 animators should be paid more than the actors.

[@thomasbennett8531]

Great tool that's overused, making performances feel unrelatable instead of human. Check out Elizabeth Olsen's interview on how Infinity War's green screen hindered her performance.

[@stryhuns]

link please?

[@steventurous9000]

@@stryhuns here you go

[@avagelion]

That's why the entire MCU feels like I'm watching a toy commercial

[@mattceccotti]

Hey Edward, Mona and crew. THANK YOU so much for going against the grain of PR sh*itting on digital VFX and instead making a video that gives the right value to the animators' work. Subscribed to the channel and looking forward to more.

[@Knickerson]

I watch this, and I think about Martin Scorsese’s quote. He’s not entirely wrong in his sentiment.

[@aresef]

Movies are movies. Just because they use a lot of effects doesn’t mean audiences are any less connected to the story. And a superhero movie can still be “about something,” like Winter Soldier, Black Panther, Shang-chi.

[@Kryptix]

@@aresef Yeah I agree if it's entertaining then who cares. But these superhero movies are mass produced, yes some a fun to watch, but they don't really carry any symoblic meaning or life lesson that good stories usually bring fourth.

[@giovannip8600]

@@Kryptix hmmm, would've agreed until the last part, marvel movies bring a lot of stories to the table. In fact that's pretty much the only thing they do, and movies are often so much more, camera angles, composition, colours and visuals which marvel movies actually do have albeit CG

[@LostUtopiaFilms]

Watch the behind the scenes of Wolf of Wall Street. Anyone who thinks Scorsese doesn’t use VFX is lying to themselves lol

[@Knickerson]

@@LostUtopiaFilms Scorsese used VFX on “The Irishman” and “Hugo”. Using VFX doesn’t automatically mean a film has no cinematic value. By the same token, not every Scorsese film is a cinematic treasure.

[@ayush7272]

Him: "this is my favourite spiderman scene" Every single Andrew fan: "finally the inner peace" Finally someone said it

[@egafx]

There's no one inside the Spider-Man suit in the comics either.

[@littledudefromacrossthestr5755]

Huh?

[@sdante23]

Ultimate spiderman

[@mr.punisher5100]

no way

[@Kai-the-guy]

Toms suit without the digi double looks so much better than any spider suit in movies except tasm 2

[@jayyzee5708]

That opening shot from tasm2 is still easily the best spidy intro ever.

[@RyanCoomer]

at a buffet, i personally sneak corndogs into the buffet so others can enjoy them. I hide 6 corndogs in my jacket pockets. it then, is a joy for me to see other patrons of the establishment eat my corndogs thinking they were part of buffet

[@Diggzist]

Don't forget that a huge part of it is that VFX teams aren't unionzed where practical effects teams are so big studios save money by exploiting non unionized labor :)

[@Thesilverninja]

Aside from the "replacd" with VFX. This was an excellent, top-tier video. Enjoyable watch! Thank you for producing it.

[@rumblingstation3440]

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[@dhruv9744]

This is why Nolan likes to do it practically wherever possible. He hates shooting the entire movie on a Greenscreen. And practical shots always have more of a punch to them.

[@Odia_bhaina]

Dark knight trilogy is so much better visually than the batman

[@avengedxp4702]

@@Odia_bhaina the batman had a better gotham

[@Odia_bhaina]

@@avengedxp4702 can barely see anything in so much darkness. Also the theater was terrible.

[@antoniomv9444]

@@Odia_bhaina Maybe you should check an eye doctor so it can give you night googles

[@pawaratharva6371]

@@Odia_bhaina go to Better theatre I must say.

[@wlot28]

Digidoubles might fool the general audience but they often look far less textured and real than a practical costume, spider-man in the MCU is the worst example of this by far

[@dipanjanghosal1662]

Egg-xactly

[@aroux15]

Maybe we should se the VFX artists start appearing on red carpets. They are the real stars.

[@ypob2007]

These people should be getting as much as actors, I don’t know if that’s the case (probably not) but it sure needs to be, specially when they are constantly practically remaking entire shots weeks before the movie’s release

[@cactuscooler4003]

This video is the pinnacle of laziness on the part of directors/producers of superhero movies. They get to set with a half-baked vision of how they want the scene to play out, and then completely change their minds and make the VFX artists recreate and replace everything when the director changes their mind. In the early days of VFX, directors had to be incredibly cautious about how and what VFX they were going to use, and planned out frame by frame exactly what to capture on set. Now every superhero movie is 95% green screen shots, and it really shows. That's why Jurassic Park holds up way better than the new Jurassic World movies. It's no surprise as to why Marvel movies cost $100 million dollars to make. Paying for a dozen VFX studios and thousands and thousands of VFX artists to do the work directors are too lazy to do themselves costs a lot of money.

[@prayashshrestha]

A lot of talks about "vision" lately. All directors have some sort of creative vision. Without it none of the vfx shots would play out as planned. Vfx artist needs something to work on the dont create tandom stuff out of thin air to make a movie. Its seems as if you havent watched the video properly enough when there was multiple mentions of directors using vfx shots to recreate the exact scene as they want even at the end stage of production. And its not just about money. Compare the budget of Captain America Civil war and Batman v superman both at 250 mil. But one has 4 times the success than the other one.

[@HandintheBoxInc]

Agreed, its a shame

[@PaulOliveiiira]

And I hope they keep doing this exact way. Cheers!

[@cactuscooler4003]

@@prayashshrestha They redesigned Spider-Man's costume after they finished filming. That's the epitome of poor planning and of not having a clear vision.

[@YaBoiDoi]

@@PaulOliveiiira please tell me you're joking. I don't wanna believe someone is this brain dead.

[@DanTheMan-rr3yg]

Everything is a lie!! But dang is it so impressive. Could've fooled me.

[@Dralexus]

Vox on point as always, keep the top notch quality up !

[@nonamepresent881]

I've always gotten why they do it so much, but they still should have gone more practical in no way home.

[@AshishGupta-gq9vk]

So Real heroes are our Animators! Hat's off!

[@JustWasted3HoursHere]

I can imagine at some point in the not so distant future, a Marvel actor's involvement in a Marvel movie will be to have their bodies scanned in 3D and their voices recorded and everything else will be done later on by the VFX guys using that info. That way, these actors can actually be doing other projects while their digidouble is working on the Marvel movie.

[@Nobook139]

"We will fix it in post."

[@HarBosSar]

*What is the one thing Spiderman can't eat?* Uncle Bens rice.

[@mohamedfaizan9844]

At this rate, they won’t even need actors in the future

[@eif6051]

technically they already don't, but they always will, because the star power helps sell the movies

[@mohamedfaizan9844]

@@eif6051 perhaps, but already a “star” is not what he or she was 10 years ago. Post social media and post streaming, stars have become so accessible that they just don’t have that degree of mystery or unattainability anymore. They’ve just become ordinary people now - famous maybe to some extent, but still ordinary. 20 years later, and with this digi double thing, who knows.

[@sopekaunutoa8210]

@@mohamedfaizan9844 They've always been ordinary people....

[@mohamedfaizan9844]

@@sopekaunutoa8210 well yes, in theory. But we’re kidding ourselves if we say that stars do not have phenomenal cultural power over people. Still continues today, but not as much as it was.

[@joseluis5055]

@@mohamedfaizan9844 "when everyone's super...no one will be"

[@RavenFilms]

I have to ask, how many takes did it take to get your couch jump scene right? (You did is great 👍)

[@TheOnlyQuestellar]

the dc flash taking notes

[@danielsdimension7828]

Tom's digidouble looks more like a naked red man

[@gpaderx6105]

6:19 I couldn't believe at first that Dr strange hast the least VFX shots than any other MCU movie on that group, which is the movie with the Best VFX of all MCU (also Shang-CHi), well I think there's scenes that are recorded on real-world set that doesn't need VFX, like when Dr Strange performing an operation in a hospital, like that.

[@shre6619]

He doesnt wear a spidey suit or iron man/thor armor

[@shigekax]

Having little to no cg characters skew that number greatly

[@gpaderx6105]

@@shre6619 but you're aware his cloak of levitation is CG, right?

[@turtle4llama]

They got real cars to wreck, so that helped.

[@gpaderx6105]

@@turtle4llama yes

[@lasarith2]

I’m actually surprised by the Toby Maguire one (the fire 🔥 jump )

[@akmaldanial67]

*Tobey Maguire

[@lasarith2]

@@akmaldanial67 Ty.

[@dukes1993724]

**Bully Maguire

[@KyleReaume]

I really think the vfx for the spidey suit have gone backwards. The seamless wrinkle-free look in the MCU makes it look much cheaper and hard to believe.

[@davidwaybright2346]

That jump onto the couch was actually really impressive

[@cactuscooler4003]

Marvel's new motto, "Who needs a director when you have VFX?"

[@tanaykumar1043]

Sony's*

[@tylerking4158]

I don't think The Batman movie has any, and it's one of the best superhero films of all time

[@avagelion]

They have VFX as well, but the difference is...you can't tell

[@LostUtopiaFilms]

They didn’t really flood a city or have Pattinson fly through the city on a wing suit

[@tylerking4158]

I should rephrase, what I meant to say that The Batman is not mainly VFX, obviously the flying scene and flooding aren't real, but majority of the film is shot on location, actual costume designs, all of which ironically cost less than any marvel movie

[@youtubeuserandchef471]

@@tylerking4158 which is amazing

[@frogambassador]

him crashing into the street after gliding off the building was a very blatant digidouble, the animation was a bit wonky there

[@WutWo]

This digi-double stuff looks AMAZING, but is it really okay? Like 96% of shots having some sort digital thing feels like a LOT of the movie.

[@AstinelPGR]

You really gotta show your Spidey mug huh.

[@thomaschristopherwhite9043]

There's a reason why movie superheroes look super and cosplayers, even when people spend more than what movie studios would spend on a costume, still looks kinda wonky.

[@benheuser2267]

Awesome... now talk about how the thousands of artists who bring 96% of these scenes to life are mistreated, non-unionized, underpaid, and worked to the brink of death.

[@parepticon7043]

I don’t work in the vfx industry, but I’d like to, do you mind telling me if there are some interviews that talk about this ?

[@ecak6124]

@@parepticon7043 well you can find alot on youtube if u search the dark side of vfx artist

[@aliensoup2420]

Maybe in the last 10 years that may be partially true for some artists in less developed countries. When I worked for a major studio in the U.S. they tried to Unionize us and we voted it down by 80%. My time there were the best working days of my life. Lots of perks, freedom, made tons of money, and was able to retire early. Maybe I was lucky and got in and out at the right time.

[@SadeN_0]

Amen

[@stevethepocket]

@@aliensoup2420 The _studio_ tried to unionize you and _you_ turned it down? What exactly did you think the downside would be? That's like voting against giving you the right to vote.

[@BrosephtheAsian]

Even though it’s covered in post. Having the actors and stunt doubles still where a suit is a great reference for the VFX artist to use to make the digital double.

[@rabalac]

4:55 okay bro we get it you practiced lol

[@battleframestudios8989]

You notice how sam raimi spiderman was only digital when there was action? Compare that to tom holland spiderman where he was digital even when just standing there. Even so a lot of sam raimi spiderman's action was an actual stunt man in a suit. Sam Raimi loves practical stuff.

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

The job of film acting is really going to be taken over by machines soon.

[@nicholasdranfile9312]

Its high time you guys start uploading videos in 4k now

[@lucksterize]

I thought I’m the only one who appreciates that intro for the TASM 2. Small details really does make a difference.

[@sshetty623]

This is what sets DC apart from Marvel. The weight given to reality

[@sightfield1132]

pay these artists more, they're the real 'actor' on this new artform

[@boltfalconturf6641]

More content like this please! It's interesting a breathe of fresh air!

[@mikechris2012g]

that VFX supervisor honestly looks like he's fed up with Marvel & Disney

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

2:09 Totally unexpected.

[@akmaldanial67]

It's because Chris Evans wore boots that looked like feet so he could run comfortably while looking like he's barefooted.

[@thesadisticsith8534]

Wow. This is the first video I've seen from Vox that isn't related to politics or real world things. I like it! Would love to see more videos like this :)

[@Tustin2121]

They do non-political videos fairly often. Like the one about video game doors, or the one about the ghost photograph con. KZbin just doesn’t like to show them to you because they’re not going to make you angry, and angry keeps you on the site longer and drives up engagement.

[@SB-od9sl]

You haven't been paying attention.

[@thesadisticsith8534]

@@Tustin2121 Ah okay! I’m not an active viewer of Vox’s channel. Mainly I get political videos recommended to me. It’s cool to know that they’ve done other stuff; I’ll be sure to check it out!

[@thesadisticsith8534]

@@SB-od9sl You could say that lol. I’ve mainly gotten their political videos recommended to me.

[@Poever]

Remember when people were shot on camera in costume? If earlier superhero movies from the 90s and early 2000s had this technology more developed, they would have used it too

[@KillerTacos54]

Makes you respect the Raimi Spider-Man films even more

[@FinancialShinanigan]

You mean no one was actually swinging around the air?? Mind blown

[@AnymMusic]

3:34 also the digi suit is often just better because everything can be more than just skin tight. look at the digital collarbone. that's pretty much vaccuum sealed level of skin tight. why is skin tight good? cause people can see the muscles, they can see every little move but that isn't really possible irl without it becoming just cumbersome

[@kaitlyn__L]

Yeah, you need it to be two-sizes too small and EXTREMELY elasticated to cling anywhere near that much, and it’s still not quite to the same level. And that causes back pain for actors so that’s another reason not to do it.

[@KyriToe]

Digidoubles will be the future where they just borrow actor face Imagine how advanced graphics be by then

[@CagedKombat]

still enjoying the amazing spiderman 2 swinging scene's. Digidouble or not. Great job from the creators

[@destro5451]

It's sad that Disney with so much money and technology still not able to give justice to spiderman swinging like TASM movies.

[@2totabon]

Well since their empire was primarily built on animation, what did you expect?

[@TheRishijoesanu]

It's still made by Sony.

[@2totabon]

@@TheRishijoesanu what’s what made?

[@TheRishijoesanu]

@@2totabon The movie.

[@destro5451]

@@TheRishijoesanu Read the agreement. What I have heard that Sony invests around 75% and marvel the rest but the creative control is entirely with marvel.

[@denzowarmbad5486]

So we actually watching cartoons??

[@onlyvibhor]

Nice layouts, good graphic design work!

[@TheHarrish18]

Meanwhile, Christopher Nolan crashes a 747 into a building for shooting......

[@mjfermalino224]

I figured that out before. Ive seen cosplayers wearing customes and they seem bulky and big in their suits. While on the movies superheroes in their are still in equal proportion physically.

[@OmniKoneko]

same, they do it for video games too like "Detroit Become Human" but it was fun learning even more about

[@Dimaz42]

perhaps it depends on the suit wearer too, coz if he has a lean & thin body type, he could wear a more proportionate costume.. although the head part would still look bulky 😬

[@AceChampElite]

You figured out movies are not real? All by yourself? 👏🏻