Why Things Melt on Psychedelics (Ft.

[@endodouble6691]

So you’re telling me there‘s still stuff I haven’t seen yet? LETS GOOOOO

[@marcomardano7030]

I have this very distinct memory of a level 4 melting, with a lot of spirals and chaos ensuing in my vision. I then focused on my girlfriend, who was standing stretching. Everything around her was pure chaos, however, she was not, the only thing that was curling was just her curly hair, which were simply enhanced. She was beautiful. She was literally the only thing that made sense in that mess.

[@NlCKELODEON]

this comment made perfect sense there baud.That's what you call true love right there!

[@devvildogg1775]

That’s so beautiful, I can picture perfectly in my mind the visual you described. ☮️

[@aazhie]

That sounds lovely :]

[@gusg2645]

The fact that you collaborated with Loka really brings a smile on my face. You guys are dominating psychedelic KZbin content

[@josikinz]

thanks! me and loka are friends lol, we will definitely be collaborating on a lot more videos!

[@joey_g001]

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[@EasyEvening]

One of the few things I still recall from my first trip on LSD is my ex-partner's cat's fur flowing like a river. It's cool to see that specifically documented here. Then you immediately shift to the next thing that I remembered well from that same trip which was the fibers of their carpet spinning. You do some fantastic work with these videos and you collab with incredibly talented people. I look forward to the next video!

[@LozVegas]

Seen the cat fur and carpet thing many times! 🤩 Spot on mate 👌

[@MrJayArt]

During a mushroom trip I was using a light blue blanket with these dark blue zigzag lines on it and it started moving like water, drifting endlessly like a flowing river and I couldn’t look away for what felt like hours, when I checked the time, it had only been 2 minutes.

[@marvindiagne237]

i love the level 4 drifitng when the ground begins to move in waves like an ocean, and your room becomes a ship and the forest an open sea

[@ninjuhdelic]

These visuals are next level, you know how long ive been trying to find an accurate representation of what it looks like. thank you josie kins for your works. shoutouts to lokavision as well!

[@BartWronsk]

I have a similar theory, additionally focusing on the "where". (Source: Personal, not professional, 20y interest in psychedelics and neurobiology, but combined with 13y professional experience in computer vision, image processing, artificial/digital neural networks, computer art, and having some peer-reviewed publications in those areas). People like to believe that our perception of time (and time effects, such as motion) is a "conscious" process and there are conscious aspects of it (high-level reasoning), a lot of the time perception is much higher frequency, lower level, and unconscious. Some of the "time perception" is placed in the amygdala or related to bodily movement (a well-researched topic for musicians and perception of music!), but here I think for the effects described here, it's all in the visual cortex. Visual cortex early layers like V1-V2 translate "raw" signal from the eye, which is extremely low level, not even like "pixels" but a lot of high-frequency cone activation events and get integrated and differentiated over space and time to detect edges in the image, as well as "temporal edges", basically movement. On activation of 5HT receptors, especially 5HT2, those areas get overstimulated, and they start transmitting and leaking signals between the cells when they should not transmit them, basically integrating signals that overflow from other cells and brain areas (similarly to your loop theory). So we end up a "spatial edge" or "spatial texture" (different adjacent neurons getting a differential signal) leaking to the motion and movement detection and "temporal edge" generation areas. In my theory, this is why those visual effects primarily affect textured areas. A texture from a static image generates a texture over time.

[@nejesis4849]

Super interesting!

[@Creepall]

Hey Bart, I can drift while sober if I look at a point for a minute everything will start moving except for the middle point. That could be because our peripheral vision is shitty and relies way more on the brain's nature to hallucinate everyting to make sense of what it sees, and that could be why I get waves everywhere in my vision except the center even when trying to sober. This would also explain why it happens even more and also in your focus when you add in some drug that helps your brain hallucinate even more than it does when sober. What do you think?

[@Creepall]

If our conscious can make sense of a few well aligned neurons to hallucinate and visualize a memory, then maybe it's just because we process the info from our eyes the same way and our brain hallucinates a scenery based on what it knows and from the eyes, add drugs that make you hallucinate more. Nerves are pretty nicely coated to avoid interferences but I've forgotten my bio books so I can't talk about that, your pov is nice and would explain why we see even less precisely when high, but I'd love to know what you think anout all that since you've done more research :)

[@geraldmerkowitz4360]

Your idea's probably the right one since it explains pretty much everything without making many hypotheses, none of them feeling particularly unreasonable. If the truth isn't there, then it mustn't be far.

[@josikinz]

Please go subscribe to www.youtube.com/@LokaVision, who made all of the incredible replications featured in this video! Also, if you like what I do and/or want to join my private discord server, then please consider supporting me on patreon: www.patreon.com/JosieKins/ - Thanks! :)

[@azloii9781]

I love how you connect psychology and neurophysiology its so fascinating

[@waitisthatcobalt]

it is all connected after all

[@triple_gem_shining]

Yet she's not qualified in either

[@MSAPtube]

I remember us noticing that trees looked "alive", like you could see them growing, and telephone poles looked "dead". But then piles of laundry were also "breathing."

[@Tabazan7]

Fantastic and so insightful. I did my first trip in the early 90's in my local country park. Every thing was connected and was string like. I hugged an ancient tree and it moved with me, I knew at that early age we are all connected. At times everything in my field of vision melted away and then replaced by the most vibrant colours filling me with nothing but love and oneness. I had an aura of a purple figure with me at all times. I felt like I've known this figure for aeons. I've recently started Reiki and was informed of a purple aura that is always with me and is my protector. When I was informed it took me straight back to the purple aura during my trips. Thankyou for reading 🙏 Love 💜

[@FunFreakeyy]

Sometimes I have twisting and spinning when I'm tired or after I wake up, especially with ground textures. Sometimes I also had like a zooming effect with clouds in the sky. Great video!

[@mojobalaos5611]

jeez, this visualization is the most accurate i've seen

[@JoshPillault]

The visuals were the best I’ve ever seen, absolutely nailed it

[@bobDotJS]

It's mind-blowing that you found a way to depict subjective qualia that is almost impossible to accurately describe. I'm a software engineer and psychonaut, I understand ML models at a high level, and I still can't believe this exists.

[@dennystamenov5286]

An interesting visual illusion I learned about during a cognition psychology paper was one where the lecturer gave us red-green 3d glasses and had us look at a superimposed green image of a house with a red image of person. Since one eye only allows the green image in (because of the green glass) and one eye the red image (because of the red glass) and the information fully overlapped in space (the superimposition) the perception was that you would only see one image at a time (the red man or the green house) and as you stared at it the other image would fade into perception every few seconds, completely replacing the previous image. The brain shifting between the two images and cycling between them is what I thought of when you proposed your theory at the end of the video although I'm unsure of how to link the two or if they're related, just thought you would find it relevant or interesting, also a very cool thing to try if you've never seen it before.

[@TheTrueNarthumpulous]

The effects in this video literally look exactly the way visual distortion looks when I'm tripping. Best I've seen so far.

[@pricc-om]

look up Symmetric Vision, it's just as good

[@dogdude7485]

@@pricc-omMost of it is symmetric vision’s stuff if I recall right? His stuff is used everywhere I swear. Some give creds some don’t

[@pricc-om]

It does look identical but the uploader credited someone else. He does get shit stolen a lot so maybe the person credited is just a thief. On the other hand, he appears to have been continually losing things, so maybe he's rebranded?

[@josikinz]

@@pricc-om loka and symmetric vision are different people, both of which i'm friends with. There are several different prominent replicators in the psychedelic replication community.

[@pricc-om]

@@josikinz Well of course, with everyone trying to mirror the same concept as accurately as possible there's bound to be some overlap.

[@yallprettysus]

I cant describe how I felt watching this... You touched my heart trough space and time 😊

[@kathe_]

I remember the drifting effect on my vision during my first lsd trip. I was looking at a polaroid of my boyfriend and his face shifting like he was softly shaking his head at me . I also looked at the acne scars on my face as they "pulsed" consecutively. I'd be really interested in a video about tracers, because even years after my trips, i can still see light trails if i pay attention enough. The replications in these videos are always amazing, they even freak me out a little and remind me of my past trips. I wish i wasn't so anxious about psychedelics so i could enjoy and learn about myself like i could before.

[@jamestaterson9545]

Out of anyone you have the best way of visually describing ty.

[@jairanshi6067]

I'm in UK we used to take acid tabs back in the day we used to walk the streets and stuff. Used to take Timothy o Leary's and Marilyn Monroe's. Timothy o Leary u only needed half a trip and be rocking all night. Colors visuals patterns the lot everything was a trip very scary acids not for the faint hearted I don't know about when people say they are good for mental health I don't think they are trips are very dangerous you either love them or hate them and they aren't the things to be taking week in week out. It was great thoe up the beacon with all the lights and walking through a tunnel lol miss the good old days

[@stevenwiece19]

You have such a talent for describing these visual phenomena, thank you again josiekinz! 💜

[@Tomijee]

Very nice video and explained effect really well! Loved cozy vibes and music

[@braindancecollective]

This is one of the most visually stunning video essays I've ever seen! Kudos equally for the script and the visuals, amazing work :)

[@Jakob.Hamburg]

Thank you for the video. You are doing a really good job in describing this psychedelic phenomenon.

[@gabrielharleymusic]

I've been able to self-induce drifting since I was around 10 or 11 years old via meditation (though I didn't realize I was meditating per se at the time). I've also experienced it through THC. I didn't actually realize it had a name until just now.

[@KabochaOu]

Great video! My personal hypothesis is based on what I've read about psychs increasing connectivity but decreasing activity in sensory input centres. I find a lot of visuals that I get are somewhat similar to video artefacting, and others are kind of repeating patterns and stuff, so my thinking is that, like a computer, when our brains get less sensory data, they try to fill in the gaps by adding existing data (which might be how you get stuff like visual mirroring). Sometimes I feel like things look a little cartoonish, like their colours have been flattened, which might be your brain guessing the colour of something based on colours surrounding it. Your brain is a very complex computer and it's plausible to me that it would use similar "algorithms" to interpolate data that our computers do! Interconnectivity between brain centres might also explain why sometimes missing data seems to get filled in with other senses, like feeling like your can see smells or hear spoken language in natural sounds.

[@BeansFreak]

FINALLY someone represents visuals correctly

[@DetoxProxy]

I’ve found that staring or slowing eye movements can certainly intensify most sorts of visuals. Love the content

[@psilopsychic]

This series is fire, can’t wait for the geometry one

[@tomashumano4497]

me tripping and casually finding this video, insane bro, just unfathomably well portrayed

[@madsquid9943]

IDK about anyone else but for me this is never just a visual effect but something I feel in my body as well. for example if I stand between two trees and hold up my arm between them so that i touch both, it seems that the distance between them keeps changing, with my arms growing longer or shorter along with them. if i stand on flat ground, it seems that my legs grow longer and shorter (usually asymmetrically) and the ground under my feet is warping to keep up with my feet.

[@KimblesTheBrave]

I used to almost always get this effect when taking ambien at a regular prescription dose.... At some point it stopped happening though, most likely because I built up a resistance. I was SUPER afraid of psychedelics/hallucinations at the time so I just find it funny that I was already experiencing the same thing to some degree, heh. Great video!

[@josikinz]

interesting that you get this on ambien! It seems like it can happen during a huge variety of altered states of consciousness, even just sleep deprivation will do it sometimes

[@samhaines8228]

​@@josikinzAgreed

[@materialmirage]

I always just figured that all of my visual stimuli consisted of particles, photons, electrons, etc. moving through space at unimaginable speeds. With my brain rendered into hyper awareness from psychedelics, creating the neural pathways to interpret time and space in it's raw form. Solid states are crystalizations of particles that are all in flux with our brain creating the static reality. But I may be wrong.😅

[@ajellyfish6357]

You're right

[@juniper8112]

New Josie post sanity restored 🥹

[@josikinz]

i've gotten my life back in order, so this channel is getting back on track!

[@socalsays]

First time I did LSD I stared at this green tree and the tree would turn white like a blizzard hit it and it'd bloom these giant red roses that would twist and turn geometrically and the tree would turn back green again and it looped over and over again. I also saw puddles everytime I walked on the ground it'd ripple out. I saw trillions of rainbows and diamonds over my visual field, there was a grid of energy like graph paper I saw that lines of color would move in all directions it was phenomenal

[@therandomchannel-cr7ox]

Cool

[@desromic]

I would add another type of visual distortion: parallaxing. Sometimes looking at a texture can cause some parts of the texture to pop out and others to recede as if they are on separate panes of glass spaced apart at different distances. Sometimes one layer is stationary and others are moving, sometimes they are all moving, sometimes in different directions, and sometimes each layer is expressing different patterns and different distortions.

[@tantzer6113]

Hi Josie. Thank you for your wonderful reflections. I have a different theory, one also based on experience: 1) a duplicate/replica of the surface we look at forms a tiny distance “above” the original surface, not in reality/physically, but in what we see. 2) This overlayed surface moves slowly above the original surface in, say, a circular or figure-8 trajectory. 3) Crucially, what we see is the combination of these two surfaces, and this can generate breathing, flowing, etc. 4) Also crucially, once formed, the duplicate surface/image evolves on its own independently of the original surface; for example, small nearby points of darkness can combine and congeal into a larger dark shape, as if a filter were applied to smooth the surface, making it less sharp, more granular, and more spatially regular/patterned. (Perhaps the second layer could be modeled as a two-dimensional cellular automata constantly acting on itself and thus evolving. For one-dimensional cellular automata, check out Stephen Wolfram’s book, “A New Kind of Science.”) So, the duplicate surface could be thought of a shadowy version of the first that, once formed, gains a life of its own, no longer mirroring the underlying surface. 5) In a more intense experience, the second surface can generate a third surface right above it. The third surface will have the same relationship to the second that the second has to the first. 6) Even more layers could form and be superimposed in this manner, although the gap between successive layers keeps getting smaller.

[@tantzer6113]

I guess what I called a 2D cellular automata could be better described as a “convolutional layer” in multi-layer convolutional artificial neural network.

[@deanlazzaro4111]

Absolutely love this channel. always putting out spectacular videos with great insight and insanely accurate visuals. You have an extremely distinctive voice. You sound like a beautiful alien or some sort of psychedelic entity in the best possible way.

[@dhoffnun]

I've had drifting as part of my vision since I was a child; no psychedelics needed. I think it happens all the time, we just filter it out most of the time.

[@dm204375]

That was a really good demonstration, great job!

[@deadbeats4894]

My best LSD trip I was melting. Shedding all of these layers of wax-me felt amazing. Enough mushrooms on the other hand is like Dmt visions flashing in and out.

[@deejasart7766]

Loka's stuff is bloody amazing

[@ResidentEvil91]

My vision has gone into a pixel or dot vision in dark under influence, also when you view white illuminated colors on walls including graduating shadow you can see the rainbows, unfiltered color, the most raw form of white color. The darker gradient of shadow, the darker rainbow colors you will see. And brighter has more bright colors. Also on higher does of LSD everything looked like AI generated video, much like those common AI someone eating pasta videos etc..

[@GrimShuriken]

I’m a simple man. I see a new josie vid, instantly click 💯

[@culturapopeespiritualidade6566]

Amazing content. I have been learning a lot from your work. Greeting from Brazil

[@aeremthirteen2771]

Something about this type of visual always seemed to lead me towards understanding it as a visual guessing. I can imagine the brain becoming aware of how it becomes visually aware of distinct "things" by guessing at boundaries (because what really is a boundary?). I see it as becoming part of that process where normally theres another lens we use to synthesize a smoother experience. This "becoming part of the process of percieving visual input in real time" would likely also be amplified because LSD seems to amplify most mental happenings, which alone could help explain a lot of the various stimuli. I can imagine there are a few neurobiological networks we dont understand therein yet, but would further imagine they are likely multiple visual input filters, and able to be ordered and re-ordered, not unlike a modular synth in music or something, but more specialized for human existence needs. Somewhat less wordy, but overly precise way of describing this: dynamic visual-perceptual filter hierarchy network. My thinking is stood up in part by experience, some neuro-bio bg, comp. sci. bg, and that specifically, this stuff all resets visually when you move again, mostly*. I.e. it seems that not moving tends to exacerbate, and: less movement -> less visual stimuli deltas (changes) -> less info to use for perception -> less redundancy à la info theory -> more chaos on input -> the drifting you experience now that you can be one with that process of intake, not just be gifted a coherent image so constantly by your subconscious. 😂

[@Wooodfield]

Awesome work guys! This is brilliant

[@LokaVision]

❤

[@MrChamesy]

Very cool video Josie, thank you!

[@merlinmakinson4724]

Yup I’ve pretty much experienced the whole spectrum lol . I like the idea your proposing . Idk to me I think the visual drifting is kinda like a aspect of all the other things going on in the brain at the same time It all feels so connected with the auditory and other senses which often over lap or switch . Personally I think what we’re seeing is our world on a higher level that is amplified like everything else in the trip . I mean the pupils really open up a lot and I think what’s happening is we are taking in information we normally don’t. I have to say a few months ago I did a long meditation and afterwards everything was breathing just like when we do acid . It lasted about 5 minutes That was mind blowing. I’m looking forward to more episodes here .

[@d4mdcykey]

This was incredibly detailed, well considered, and thorough. This aspect of tripping has always been an endlessly fascinating facet of the experience for me. Very impressive work from both channels.

[@b0soderlund]

Been following your and Andrés Gómez output respectively for a time, and I'm very impressed with this methodic approach to the subject, I wholeheartedly hope you keep it up! Just wanted to share: I've regularly observed 'breathing' even without, and prior to my first experience with any consciousness altering substance. I remember, as a kid I used to hone in on random stuff in my environment and watch intensively for prolonged periods of time. When watching a textured surface, e.g. a rough patch of asphalt, it would start to bulge and contract, as depicted here.

[@markcook3570]

Your efforts earn you a serious hat tip, Great content as always....

[@keyleeisstrange343]

3:38 is the most accurate I’ve ever seen I’ve seen my rug do exactly that before 😂

[@morganlake41632]

Thank you for more insight with traction ...I too wanted to describe and document then deeper understand these things - but unlike you it was just too slippery - they slipped away before I could write them down after coming down. A friend created a song with Drift as the title - he has never done psychedelics but appears to have a visceral understanding of phenomena you present here so clearly. Thank you for researching one of the most mysterious and yet important aspects of human life.

[@jussiniemi9560]

This is great stuff! Ive always been interested in the mathematics behind hallucinations.

[@morgan-i6j]

i have schizoaffective and am capable of experience mild drifting by focusing on objects in a weird way and yeah this theory does make alot of sense

[@waitisthatcobalt]

The feedback loop thing kinda blew my mind lmfao. Definitely agree. The brain trying to keep up and ground itself through all that distortion is a trippy thought. I was also thinking, it's probably also that your brain is seeing all this new information it didn't see before, when it removes the Default Mode Network filter. Seeing this new info, your brain sends it into that loop. Makes a lot of sense, I've had that happen too. Things going back to normal pretty much when you shift your attention to something else. It's kind of like your brain processes a lot of different possibilities as to where you could currently be, and the info that it's being fed. Like every possible position of your hand, when you see tracers, where it was, and you think about where it could go next.

[@ByThePond]

This is actually pretty accurate to my own exp

[@Limitless_Synesthesia]

Nice and in-depth a classic Josie Kins win.

[@seanwechsler1128]

Things melt without psychedelics now for me lol. Too many mushrooms and now nothing sits still

[@ryukobestwaifu3319]

Does it affect your life drastically?

[@Justanobodybro]

thats what happens from using psychdelics too much and too often its called HPPD but usually goes away after few months

[@seanwechsler1128]

@@ryukobestwaifu3319 no, it's just an awareness that nothing is ever still. Your brain tunes it out automatically unless you pay attention to it

[@Legend420go]

That was an amazing video. Thanks for making it for us.

[@GodLandon]

Josie and LOKA are offering a comprehensive Psychedelics 101 course for no charge

[@TrippyVideosGirl]

Loka is the man👌

[@LokaVision]

❤❤

[@JosephKeenanisme]

I stumbled on your stuff a week or so ago and am liking it. You've got a nice set of nomenclature, good way to share what everyone is talking about if they have tripped or not. I've been starting to use it while talking with some friends in the mental health profession. :)

[@iamdanarh]

This is great content. The scientific perspective is well thought out, articulately spoken, and spot on accurate. Your descriptions and the animation closely mirror my own experience. Furthermore, you might be the first person on KZbin that I have heard correctly using the word "hypothesis" rather than the nearly universally misused word "theory". Thanks for that

[@QED_]

Just to make explicit what some people might not already appreciate about these experiences: they are the way we experience the world when we are seeing it objectively. Physical objects are not in fact ontologically separate entities and they don't interact through cause-and-effect (the subjective, reductionist view in which the process of reality is made up of multiple things that interact and act upon one another). Instead, there is just one underlying and unified substrate or field that continually morphs itself, moment to moment, into different states that contain the forms/appearances that we usually understand as objects. They are not in reality different objects, but just differentiations of appearance within that one substrate/field -- just as we ourselves are. I've been searching for such a video demonstration of this understanding -- thanks . . .

[@pocahontas330]

Wow! Such a good job at making this ❤

[@LagMasterSam]

I'm convinced the feedback loop you're talking is true. I recently took a whole lot of something, and my thoughts kept cycling and dividing, cycling and dividing over and over again. It was like I was experiencing the existence of a fractal with my own thoughts and awareness. What I mean by dividing is just that one thought would be associated with other thoughts. I would think thought A, then I would think the associated thoughts of B and C. Then thought B would cause thoughts D and E by association, and C would cause thoughts F and G. This would go on and on except that the cycle would also start over again while another cycle was still going. There were overlapping patterns of the same "thought fractals" constantly cycling in my head. On top of this, I was aware of what was going on, aware of the thoughts being directly associated with each other, aware of my awareness, aware of it being fractal-like. So the same thing happened with all those kind of thoughts too at the same time. It was overwhelming, confusing, and terrifying. It felt like my existence was zooming out and dividing until I wasn't sure I existed or that anything was real. That being said, it helped me learn to "let go" better. I would keep stopping this process by taking a deep breath in and out and saying, "let it go, even flow". Then for a brief moment all of the madness stopped and I was just me again in a totally calm, self-empowered state. Then it would start over again. I don't know how many times this happened. Dozens? Hundreds? I'm not sure. But it now helps me let go of normal sober states of mind. It helps me do the uncomfortable things that I avoided before, and to at least try to do them properly. I feel the discomfort and doubt about what I should do, and instead of running away from it, I take a deep breath and say, "let it go, even flow", and I'm able to do it. I also find myself doing that when judging people. Instead of letting the judgement take over my mind, I take a deep breath and say, "let it go, even flow". The weird things is, I now feel like the normal sober states of mind that are holding me back are in some ways more terrifying and difficult than that "bad trip" I experienced. But, I think that's because I'm actually trying to overcome them now instead of pretending they don't exist.

[@geoterra9478]

this was nuts to watch thanks for the cool vid!

[@nejesis4849]

I like the explanation with the internal feedback loop. I don't know much about neural pathways and how changes in the interaction activity can show. But psychedelic visuals, especially those discussed here have always reminded me of the afterimages that remain in the visual field for some time after looking at a high contrast image or a bright light source. In normal state those just remain for some time and then vanish. Under influence of a psychedelic however, it seems to me that the afterimages themselves produce new afterimages that are slightly off, which leads to an endless stream of increasingly morphed representations of the original visual imprint. For me, this somehow fits to the observation of a reset when refocusing on another visual stimulus. There is definitely some feedback going on, I would say. Very interesting! :)

[@lostdog2024]

I’m incredibly thankful for the beautiful experiences I’ve had with LSD and mushrooms. Between the ages of 17-20 I tried LSD twice and a few different doses of shrooms. All of the experiences were different and positive overall, but it really did alter my perception of everything man. Everything about myself, the world and other people. Truly a beautiful thing to feel.

[@Itsallgoodtogo]

Watching this while under the influence is truly a journey :D

[@Schlingelkind]

Beautiful Video. Each and every time a treat!! Thank you. :)

[@findtheothers]

Great video! Loka Vision is indeed world class. It's exciting to live in a time where we might start uncovering these mysteries. I like your hypothesis too. Just some wild speculation but what if it had to do with the quantum? Like we're seeing the possibility of a "solid" object existing starting to morph into other potential states.

[@EllyCatfox]

I meditate a lot and get level 1 or 2 drifting on a fairly regular basis. once in awhile i smoke a little weed and ive also had some near death experiences that activated some gifts like this for me.

[@devvildogg1775]

Great video, I agree with your hypothesis of how/why the visual field changes based on subjective experience as well. Looking forward to the video on geometry! Those are my favorite visuals.

[@bes1desme]

Ayooo, let's gooooo

[@socalsays]

Shrooms make me yawn alot then everything melts even more lol. But I feel like psychedelics take the filter off so we can see energy. Maybe it'd be sensory overload if the filter wasn't there

[@fakepodcast2053]

Amazing visuals on this video

[@WarriorOfJustice7]

I love this video. The visual demonstration is on the point. Please make a video about closed eye visuals.

[@Syirus2020]

PRETTY SPOT ON!

[@ddron11]

Left the page - vision still melting from watching this video... thanks for the flashbacks)

[@billprice6458]

Really good and fairly accurate. I'm more in to the time and size variables of a trip. But everyone is different. Good video for sure.

[@rubilia7567]

Thank you for all your work. It is very intriguing to hypothesize causes of the psychedelic effects through neuroscience

[@completlynormal]

I think you're very right about the feedback-loop and in a few months I'll write something similar about complex serotonin-driven hallucinations such as pareidolia.

[@Drew-od4dh]

It can also occur when you're sober. I've done this probably countless times as a kid. Different textures move in a different way, and some textures are easier to achieve this effect with than others

[@Sutterjack]

Excellent analysis again. I like how you can present a very subjective experience in the larger frame of consistent, common reported experiences. You have a good objective style without being overly clinical. Great hypothesis at the end - seems to make sense with the interconnectedness of psychedelics on our brain and mechanism of visual perception.

[@101wormwood]

pretty spot on. You can train it as well. I would spin a metal spiral disk and it would leave that imprint so strongly that Id see it repeated. After spending maybe 30 min or an hour it would very strongly impact the rest of the visuals for hours. Happens totally sober tbf, When on heroic doses it can be overwhelming... but what was strangest to me was the way other animals seemed to see the distortions. Its when I first started questioning if maybe these animals are always in a state similar to this, and maybe infant humans as well.

[@MrMashikumokosis]

i go in to the deepest of meditation with few breathings i see full movies at closed eyes, i see objects twirling, closeup zooms and colors enhanced often without any psychedelics and i do talk with dead people sometimes since i was a child, however i have never ever saw those colorful geometrical patterns even under 6g shrooms. i see them sometimes but for a fraction of a millisec but they immediately transform in images and keep morphing, but as images like a movie not as a pattern, they immediately become stuff i can interact with or i very very often see internal anatomical parts and organs of my body or someone else if i touch him, but i never seen those cool patterns.

[@QuadrielAnderson]

former psychonaught here. The breathing and melting are fucking spot on! Amazing to see sober...

[@last_lost_lamenter]

What a well done video! Thoroughly enjoyed it. I think your hypothesis must take our perception of time when on Psychedelics into consideration. But you just earned a sub, buddy!

[@keithlevinson5015]

My hypothesis is that the default mode network creates a still image as we view things. In the absence of that network the brain struggles with the extra data produces by the heightened neuronal activity. Light doesn't Bounce off objects as neatly as we perceive it. This becomes obvious whenever there are temperature or density differences in the air. Air bends light much like water.

[@christianschuelke_one]

This is so good and accurate

[@aspidoscelis]

For me, it's been apparent that there are multiple layers of visual processing, and drifting is the result of decoupling between layers. Things in the visual field both are and are not drifting. Objects are not really being seen in a single location in the visual field but in two locations, one location following the 'normal' rules of vision, the other wandering around a bit relative to that 'normal' location. The drifting layer is more attention-grabbing, so it's easy to just notice and focus on that, and miss the other things going on. Sometimes I get a related effect if I close my eyes for a bit, then open them-if feels like I can watch the visual field assemble itself. This also produces the feeling of there being multiple layers of visual processing that occur in a particular order. It wouldn't surprise me if there's variation between individuals in how much of these processes is potentially available to conscious awareness. My suspicion is that I'm more aware of the 'lower' (closer to raw sensory data) layers than usual. It's hard to nail anything down, though.

[@habylandblah960]

I have this slightly when I’m sober, when I focus on a single point for a few seconds

[@jellyfisch4238]

If you're dehydrated you will also experience drifting

[@lorissantarsiero5849]

Well i definitely had something happening on a high dose of cannabis yesterday. It felt like everything around me was breathing and bouncing in shape and size

[@lkdomi1]

Jose great explanation!