Why this is Not W.D Gaster UT/DT Theory

Hello Everyone today I will be discussing my UT/DT theory on why I think that the "Mystery Man" is in fact not W.D Gaster as many people think
(PS obvious potential UT/DT spoilers)
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[@CyborusYT]

The main reason why Entry #17 is believed to be Gaster, is because it is in `room_gaster` in the game files

[@theorycrafter300]

yeah I just looked on the wiki and yeah it is. I thought it was just known as Room 264 but it is known as room_gaster i don't know how I missed this. so thanks for pointing it out. :)

[@miniwhiffy3465]

pal the font it is in is literally wing dings, gaster's font

[@CyborusYT]

@@miniwhiffy3465 other way around, wingdings is gaster's font _because_ it's in this room

[@pedromarques2788]

There's also the type value number which is 666, the same number that is used for the voice's type value in DT intro.

[@cicloneike]

There are two other points to be made that the mystery man IS Gaster that you missed in this video. Firstly, that the River Person tells us to "beware the man who speaks in hands", notice the use of man here that you pointed out to be intentional in the file name. I believe that it's to link these two things. And finally, that the Gaster follower who uses the dissapearing sound tells us he's holding a piece of Gaster, and that piece looks very similar to the mystery man's head. Still a very interesting theory to think about!

[@theorycrafter300]

yeah your totally right about that first part I did kind of forget about the river person. still don't that disproves my theory but it still evidence against it. and I did remember about the "peace of Gaster" but to me it just kind of looks like a weird little face or something IMO, too me it looks more like a tiny egg or something. or closer to something like the memory heads. which would explain the weird shape of it and the face but doesn't look anything like the memory heads battle sprite. that's my mini theory anyway.

[@cicloneike]

@@theorycrafter300 I guess your right. I do have a little theory that kind of lines up mystery man isn't supposed to be Gaster too. Mainly utilizing the lines of shattered across time and space and the holding a piece of him right here. Essentially what if mystery man and redacted weren't Gaster, but pieces of Gaster. Think about it. The head of mystery man looks very similar to the piece from the follower, so his head could have tried to take form and gave itself a new body, while redacted is Gasters og body which gave itself a new head. The Memoryheads could be another piece of Gaster giving itself form, that being his memories themselves. In order for all this to be true though you would have to assume redacted is suppossed to be canon/official, for which there is some evidence for. On of the vynils for Undertale's ost features both mystery man and redacted on its art (though mystery man was later replaced with a save point) which could come into question its canonicity!

[@theorycrafter300]

@@cicloneike yeah that's an interesting theory. that the mystery man and redacted are both a separate part of gaster and it would make since for the hole "shattered into pieces" line. that and the memory head is part of gaster. because unlike most of the enemy's that you fight in the true lab that are made by alphys the memory heads don't seem to be a amalgam of anything, so i think that and the fact there found in the "true lab" that was presumably made by or was w.d gasters lab. so here's my mini theory (that I only thought of like 5 seconds ago) when w.d gaster was "split across space and time" he was split into 3 equal pieces one physical the "mystery man" one mental "the redacted" because they are the only one to speak in wingdings and the Memory, which was turned into the memory heads but not only all of gasters memory's but (basically) everyone's memory of w.d gaster. anyway that's my mini theory, i haven't done any research or anything on this so i would probably have to look into it a bit more but maybe I will do a video on this.

[@cwolf0915]

That follower isn't holding anything that's his hand if you look carefully😊...unless you meant on of the others

[@modmaniamadness713]

But the "Face" Donut's holding is the one speaking.

[@qwertykins76]

It might not be him, or maybe it is, but in any case Toby 100% wants us to THINK it's him.

[@theorycrafter300]

yea I think I mentioned it in the video but I think it was originally intended to be just a red herring but at this point most people consider it 100% cannon whether it is cannon or not.

[@kirbwithuniform151]

thrilled for the chapter 3 predictions!😊

[@MyOpinionIsInvalid]

Fun fact: The sound that place when you interact with mystery man (or the gaster followers) is a highly edited version of the gaster theme melody.

[@maskedmanpkclysm5327]

Aside from that one goner, its the closest thing we could speculate being Gaster and is strongly related to Gaster. Interestingly enough, there are references to the mystery man in deltarune as text that cannot be accessed in game, such as: "is that a cut on your face, or part of your eye?" "the gash weaves down as you cry" "You grasped at nothing" "an emptyness filled your hands". Imo knowing Toby, he might even leave "W.D. Gaster" as this mysterious entity to the very end, not even giving him a concrete form he takes.

[@Tat011]

I feel like you’re doing more mental gymnastics to prove he's not Gaster than other people do to prove he is. The fact that the most Gaster number gives you an entity that looks exactly like what you'd expect him to look like is good enough reason to believe it's him for me. Also there’s no reason to think the 66 is a red herring, you just do cuz it’s inconvenient to your theory. If you wanna look at an actual Gaster red herring look at Deltarune's egg man, he vanishes like gaster but doesn't make the Gaster vanishing sound, he has a Gaster sounding theme that doesn't actually have Gaster's theme and he's referred to as "man" rather than "him" which are similar but not the same. He also has the general "cut content you’re not supposed to see" vive that Gaster has, but that doesn't prove anything. Now compare that to Mysteryman, who has the 6 association, the Gaster follower vanishing sound, the skeleton appearance, and the "only shows up with certain fun value" motif.

[@theorycrafter300]

yeah the part about the 66 connection is very true while it is odd that the Mystery man is connected to room number 66 that I cant really explain away. but I think the fun value and the vanishing sound I think is a connection to gaster but not linking directly to them. so I just explained it as a possible red herring though it could be something else entirely(though I 100% agree this is one of the weaker parts of my theory). Also the point about the Deltarune egg man possibly being a red herring is really interesting i really haven't thought of it I will have to look into that further. I might make a video about it after I finish the one I'm working on now.

[@spareaccount5734]

I never understood people thinking mystery man or redacted were 100% definitely gaster. I was instead always under the impression it was another "piece" or "chunk" of him like the one held by that one follower. Just makes sense to me given the context of him being torn across time and space and time and able to appear in shreds and pieces.

[@retexcrafted]

the word man actually has a huge amount of connection to gaster himself. i would also like to bring up the room you find mystery man in which is a room in-between 2 segments of the map which is a lot like the egg man. besides the egg man and mystery man both have man in the name plus the person who visited jevil and who called spamton is for sure gaster is called a strange man. the mystery man could have had 64 as the fun value but it is the very speific number of double 6 and i dont think anyone is arguing mystery man is 100% gaster, as we know gaster has been separated into many pieces. i think redacted is actully also part of gaster as well becuase toby has made parts of the game exclusive to the code like the traped person in deltarune. additionally the dissaperrence sound effect is had to have origanated somewhere i believe gaster does make this sound and theat the followers learned it from them.

[@user-file-x-life]

‏‪7:44‬‏ actually The follower one holding a head says that this is GASTER'SS HEAD And it looks a little bit close to MysteryMan

[@thepaperunicorn09]

I actually agree with you here , we probably either haven't seen him yet or will never see him

[@Flynnisthename]

I think it’s important to note that the Gaster follower that makes the Gaster noise ™ is holding a piece of Gaster, and Clam Girl is referencing deltarune which I don’t think I need to explain how that’s EXTREMELY GASTER RELATED. It’s possible you have to be directly related to him, maybe holding a piece of him or something, to make that noise

[@GameJam230]

5:22 The sound file that plays at the bunker south of town can be sped up by exactly 666% to sound identical to the phone "garbage noise" sound, which is also the sound from Entry 17. That's my only knowledge of Gaster and 6/666 being linked in DR

[@marseafish]

5:20 gasters stats are not in the deltarune code, just wanted to let you know!

[@cwolf0915]

2:52 actually that one you said didnt quite look simular...really does if you gray out the colored version. Especially the sprite with the open mouth.

[@MythHead]

Finally someone said it

[@samueldoucette6538]

I think what distinguishes the mystery man from the other gaster followers is the fact that he is hidden behind 2 fun events, rather than just one. This makes him much rarer to meet and has you walk down a hallway that doesn't usually exist (similar to the areas in deltarune), making him fit the 'scattered across time and space' thing fit better Also the naming convention is different. I would be more inclined to believe that the mystery man was a gaster follower if he was called 'gaster follower 4' or something but mystery man seems to be deliberate, human or not. This goes along with the fact that the mystery man has no normal sprite, unlike the other gaster followers who have regular monster equivalents. Now none of this means that the mystery man necessarily is or is not wd gaster but I don't think we can write him off either. Ultimately, though, I agree with you. Toby definitely seems to be drawing attention to this strange character and I wouldn't be surprised if this is the same 'man' that hides behind trees and hands out eggs in deltarune.

[@ThanosSiozos]

Mystery Man maybe he is Gaster because the gaster blasters appearance looks like Mystery Man but Mystery Man could be a monster used for experience and after gaster used it he shealded it there sans has the gaster blaster only because he made them with his team and the reason why mystery man could be gaster is that he was in the team with clam girl because when you trigger her and then go at sans labatory the picture that you see says that you remember someone because in the picture is clam girl and the machine in sans labatory says it may never be used again

[@sahilhossain8204]

Hmm yes lore of W.D Gaster

[@mariotheundying]

Honestly i still think mystery man is gaster, like the follower who has a piece of Gaster makes the same sound of disappearing, AND that sound, i heard, is actually gasters theme, but its sped up AND reversed, idk about clam girl tho, might disprove this, but I feel like mystery man is still gaster, a piece of gaster, the other gaster guy that speaks with wind dings, that people say THAT is gaster, is also a piece of gaster, remember, theres Gaster is not whole, hes broken into pieces and is across time and space, he could be anywhere and not just in 1 place at a time Also correct me if im wrong but the gaster followers file names say they are their followers, but mystery man doesn't Maybe we'll learn more about gaster, or another gaster, in deltarune, since he appears at the start and we know its him, listen to his theme and read thw track's name, "another him", one of the gaster sprites or the theme (dont remember) names him as "him", i dont think Toby would make 2 characters that are named "him" for secrecy Edit: oh also the bunker in deltarune plays Entry Number 17, sped up i think, to 666%

[@mariotheundying]

Also why do I think the unused gaster (the one who talks in wingdings) is in the files? Toby knows people search the files for stuff, could just be a secret, tho this is much of a stretch like the stretch of "for testing" is, like, he made a whole sprite, could've reused stuff or just test it with the followers Maybe that room and sprite are an unused version of Mystery man's room even

[@magikenn]

What about the Gaster tarot card?

[@theorycrafter300]

The tarot cards are pretty interesting! while the original creator was a fan not toby fox themselves that created them but toby liked them so much he basically made them official though ones like Gaster card and a few other ones had to be touched up or completely removed all together in the case of the Gaster one.

[@MythHead]

It's convincing but toby fox has said merch isn't canon and it was also removed

[@UnoriginalJokester]

I think the main reason people believe Mystery Man is Gaster is because Mystery Man doesn't really serve much other purpose in the game. He's just... there. If he weren't Gaster, what other purpose would he serve other than to just be another spooky thing? Mystery Man being Gaster makes the most sense, because it gives him a reason to exist in the game. And I feel like you can't really make the argument that Mystery Man serves as Deltarune foreshadowing either, since we know absolutely nothing about him other than the fact that he's Gaster-related. If he were to show up in Deltarune and not be Gaster, he would be nothing more than just something for us to point at and go "Hey, I know what that is!" I feel like the only thing that explains Mystery Man in a satisfying way is for him to be Gaster. Or, at the very least, an important piece of the original Gaster. One final thing: the reason he's named "Mystery Man" is fairly simple; Toby Fox didn't want to name him "Gaster," which would be a much more transparent thing for him to do than other Gaster-related stuff.

[@Quazex]

I misread the title as "why there is no gaster" and that's a video I'd honestly love to see. I hate that little freak and how people love to insert him into the lore.

[@maskedmanpkclysm5327]

Well... he very much exists! Actually having very deep and important connections to Deltarune. Dunno what to tell you but he's strongly related to one of the literal first teasers of Deltarune and the lore behind the secret bosses, many things including "darkness". That's why he's a very familiar face to turn to in theories. Wouldn't disagree that he's a little freak though. He doesn't do anything TOO crazy or important in undertale

[@Quazex]

@@maskedmanpkclysm5327 shush you scoundrel I will never be a gaster believer

[@maskedmanpkclysm5327]

@@Quazex thats like being an UT/DR atheist 😔/j

[@CompactStar]

I mean he definitely exists (at least in Undertale)...the gaster followers literally talk about it, and there's gaster's theme in the sound test. But he still might not be important to the lore.

[@heat-seekingattackfrisbeem5878]

I don't think him just part of him like bro got no legs so some suff is gone

[@user-file-x-life]

W.D Gaster is Uboa Jkofc

[@sahilhossain8204]

Lore of Why this Not W.D Gaster UT/DT Theory momentum 100

[@miniwhiffy3465]

pal, are you finding any reason to be different?

[@Hyperborean_Skibidi]

This theory is one of the weirdest, same with the ones who believe redacted is gaster. Redacted, which is unimplemented and literally scrapepd from the game. People find any reason to be different