Why this WWII WARSHIP makes the perfect SAILING SHIP!

[@FlyingConey]

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[@martinstubbs1274]

Thanks, always enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work

[@FlyingConey]

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[@davidnichols147]

Barbara: what an exceptional episode! Flying Coney has untapped History we all would love to hear about. Possibly Daniel and you could give the viewer's some of Flying Coney's marvelous HISTORY. Thank you so much for sharing and good luck on your haul and huge refit project.

[@FlyingConey]

I think one of the most rewarding things when you own a ship is that you yourself become part of the history. We hope we can sail her for many many years but we also hope that we won't be the last owners and that Flying Coney will be around for many more decades. It's great to be part of something bigger than yourself.

[@christiankastorf4836]

Compare this ship to the German "Kriegsfischkutter", Kfk for short. The idea goes back to the 1920s. Germany's navy was strongly limited under the Treaty of Versailles. The idea was to design a seaworthy type of boat that could act as fleet auxiliary boat, mostly as a "Vorpostenboot", vessels that were off-shore lookouts, which could patrol the coastlines and so on. But they would earn their living in peacetime as fishing boats. Fishermen got subsidies if they ordered one but would have to hand in their vessels on demand by the navy. The typical Kfk had its keel, sternpost and stem made from oak, the ribs were steel and the planking was pine. The greatest number of them , about 1200, were built from 1942 on, some in Sweden as ordinary fishing boats, complete with fishing gear to decive the Swedes. Once in German hands the fishing gear was removed and they were handed over to the navy. After the war many of them were used by the German Minesweeping Administration (German boats and crew under British control) and then by the border police ("Bundesgrenzschutz See") of the Federal Republic. Others would finally become fishing vessels. There are even postwar boats that had oak for their plankings. The distinctive outline of them is a transom stern and a straight stem. The wheel- or deckhouses are quite large. When the interest in traditional ships grew in the 1970s quite a few were converted to gaff rig or schooners.

[@FlyingConey]

Yes, Flying Coney was indeed built as a KFK originally with wooden planks. Built 1941 in Enkhuizen in the Netherlands. The origin is mentioned in the legal documents when she was commissioned as a fishing trawler. The frames of the ship are slightly different from the frames of a steel ship, the distance of the rivets is different and some of the frames show the brand name "Krupp". In the steel boat conversion some changes were made to the bow and the stern to give the boat the look of a logger and to make it a bit faster. We can only guess why they used the steel frames of a KFK to built a steel ship. My theory is that they didn't want to design a new ship and the riveting job could be done be relatively low skilled shipyard workers. No lofting and less heavy steel bending machinery needed. Flying Coney shares this history with the tall ship Avatar who was also built as a wooden KFK and rebuilt as a steel ship.

[@christiankastorf4836]

@@FlyingConey Thank you for that information. The Kfk look a bit "boring" with their staight stems, but they seem to be good sailing vessels though they were not designed to be them. Same thing is true for the fireships of the late 19th century. The Dutch "Noorderlicht" is one of them. When I was a small child it was still serving at the entrance of the fjord. It was replaced by a modern lighthouse and faced an uncertain future. It had become a floating clubhouse for a yachtclub before it was sold to the Netherlands to be fitted out as a schooner.

[@jamespfp]

5:43 -- RE: Sailing Ships, Motor Vessels, and Sea-worthiness; I'm not at all shocked to find out that sea-worthiness wasn't impacted badly by adding an engine, but I am immediately also reminded of a kind of anecdotal proof for this which is why it doesn't surprise me. I often think about the Wolfgang Petersen's "Das Boot" because of the character of the Captain, and one of his significant speeches in that film pertains to the excellence of sailing vessels in terms of their sea handling characteristics, and he directly compares the Type VII uboat with them. The uboat wins not because of its power plant, but because it actively resists being drowned and thus it has the option of avoiding the worst the wind and waves can throw at it by diving and waiting out the storm. The sailboat has the option to heave to.

[@Sircraig7963]

G'day Crew, Cool vid guys,was nice to see Flying Coney out on the water motoring ahead. Look forward to seeing the repairs & the vid of Flying Coneys past life . Respect....!

[@FlyingConey]

We can't wait to share the videos of the upcoming shipyard time with you. It will be an exiting step in the restoration project and there will be quite some progress. Coming up next is an interview with the previous owner who converted the ship into a sailing ship back in the 70s.

[@Tscaperock]

I would love to see and hear the history of the Flying Coney! Please share that with us!

[@FlyingConey]

There is a long interview with the previous owner available on Patreon.

[@robdekker2]

Please guys. Do a very thorough thickness inspection on the hull where she has been fitted with concrete. At 12:01 you can see that the concrete is loose and there is some rust behind it. if you guys spring a leak when out on sea you won’t be able to plug it easy because off all the concrete. When she was built it was normal practice to place concrete but now a days we try to stay well away from that. You can replace the concrete by normal ballast if you need to.

[@FlyingConey]

The concrete is firmly attached to the hull and we have an average steel thickness of more than 6mm. Most of the time it's close to 8mm. When we repair the frames we will partly remove the concrete but the thickness measurements are showing us that the steel underneath is in good condition. Replacing the entire concrete wouldn't make sense. The boat was built with this ballast and it's an historic ship and we're restoring and not building new.

[@IrisSchepelmann]

Hi, Before you add masts and sails you should do a Stability or Inclination test and have it analysed by a naval architect. A heavy concrete internally ballasted round bilge boat won't carry much sail to windward compared to an externally lead ballasted hull.You need a high Metacentric height (GM) to go to windward.

[@FlyingConey]

Flying Coney is a traditionally rigged tall ship and she will sail similar to other ships of this category. Slightly faster because of the longer waterline. It's possible to make way to windward but not much. But that's pretty much what you expect from a ship with square sails. One we've finished the hull we will make a stability test and for the rig we will work together with an experienced company. We have room for about 12 tons of external steel ballast. Back in the days she carried more than 300 square meters of canvas and with the improvements we make we might be able to carry even more.

[@chantedefelepe]

Honestly I got to give it to you you have more guts then brains never taught I would see that old rust bucket 🪣 on the water again but you proved me wrong so my 🎩 off to you and Barbra and crew sir well done

[@ChasB2010]

Love the history background. Keep it coming, please.

[@FlyingConey]

You don't have to wait too long. The next video will be about her time as a sailing ship. Thank you for following our journey for already more than two years.

[@stevedunford7632]

Yes please, as much history as you can find.

[@FlyingConey]

The last missing information is her name or identification as a warship. It would be amazing to find out more about her history predating the steel hull.

[@Coyotehello]

Maybe it is just my imagination but every time I see Daniel piloting he seems more confident. And that is good! Side note: Schooners are beautiful. 🙂

[@FlyingConey]

With every hour moving the boat we gain more experience and we adapt to the size of the boat. It's starting to be a lot of fun bit it's still a huge challenge. But the feeling when something goes according to plan is priceless.

[@jeremyallard7015]

Its great to see you guys back.

[@leonardsammut4314]

Lovee these videos. Will you also do a video on how the hull was converted from wood to steel? I work in a big shipyard and it is not something I've ever head of or seen being done.

[@rationalist47]

I noticed the same thing. No wooden vessel was ever converted from wood to steel. That is total nonsense. I am curious about the boat's history. My guess is that a traditional wooden design was revised for steel construction and the young couple are confused, or didn't explain the true story in English. You are very kind, but I am calling BS on that and hope he has the honesty to correct that obviously false statement.

[@RobertLake-mf2qt]

Please keep your boat as BOATH a sailing and trawling vessel. This will give you the most pleasure in your future journeys. I have always thought that a sailing ship should have a figure head on the bow. I do not know what you should have for it, but a nice one would make the ship most unique. Perhaps a surging dolphin would be nice? Anyway, you both are doing a most wonderful job with all that you do. Your future has a red sky at night. All the best to you.

[@FlyingConey]

We do want to keep the wheelhouse and our reliable engine. But we won't trawl big nets anymore. Her fishing times are long gone. A figure head might be an interesting thing to have. Of course it needs to be a flying bunny (coney) 😉🐇

[@norwynclark2766]

So good to see you back with your boat.

[@simonhjc]

How utterly marvelous!

[@FlyingConey]

Lovely comment! Thank you!

[@mothmagic1]

A nice looking vessel with a colourful history. Would be great to know what she got up to in her past life.

[@bigunone]

Sailing around the harbor looking for a mooring space, looks a lot like driving around the mall looking for a parking space close in, you always end up out in the boonies. History is always interesting

[@FlyingConey]

Quite similar yes! Luckily there was still a place available otherwise we would've needed to go alongside to one of those charter vessels and usually they leave very early in the morning.

[@Tscaperock]

Flying Coney needs a crew of young people that want to get experience on how to run and maintain such a ship!

[@FlyingConey]

Flying Coney already took part in 5 tall ship races sailing with lots of young people aboard. Barbara and I always enjoyed teaching kids how to sail and this aspect is a big reason why we want to have a traditional rigged sailing ship. Of course we do want to bring her back to the tall ship races as well!

[@bellethomas1]

would love to see and hear the history of the Flying Coney

[@FlyingConey]

You don''t have to wait long. Next video will be about her time as a sailing ship and we might manage to publish it next Friday.

[@bellethomas1]

@@FlyingConey Thank you can't wait

[@kevinmartin3859]

well done she sails well yes i would to learn more her

[@j.hoppli4657]

So she was built as a KFK, Kriegsfischkutter. I really love this ships!😊😊😊❤

[@FlyingConey]

Yes! Since she was the first one that was converted into a steel ship her bow was altered a little bit and that made us think she was probably built as a logger. But her KFK hull with the altered sharper bow makes her almost ideal for a sailing ship conversion. She will be even a little bit faster than the other sailing KFKs.

[@j.hoppli4657]

@@FlyingConey I owned one in the early 2000, located in Bremerhaven /Fischereihafen. Thor was lying there for free, probably this is a chance for You? I don`t know if this is a today

[@nigelmorgan3449]

A fantastic ship

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you! We do our best to bring her back to former glory.

[@marcellebaudry5786]

bravo

[@billdenton530]

I will be waiting for the next video after this.

[@FlyingConey]

We hope it will be online next Friday.

[@johnnyangel1977]

Wat is hij mooi geworden de flying coney,lekker varen en genieten groetjes

[@FlyingConey]

Dank je wel!

[@user-ex8lo7jd8v]

Its good to see you realize its a real pig to dock ( and potentially dangerous as a very heavy boat), get a bow thruster or youll always have to put up with crew and look bad docking Bet you it rolls bad without stabalizers

[@chrisrottmann]

How do you convert a wood hull to steel ?

[@FlyingConey]

She always had steel frames. So converting is fairly easy, you take off the wooden planks an rivet steel plates to the steel frames.

[@lardo666]

​@@FlyingConey You will also need a decent set of sheet metal rolls to curve the steel plates to fit at each location (It's possible this was done at red heat - but mild steel rolls nicely) Rolls that can handle several mm steel thickness at a metre or two wide are pretty large and heavy machines. ​ @FlyingConey - what's the hull plate thickness?

[@uschifleischmann6089]

I love the history, thank you for the video

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you very much. It's indeed a very interesting history!

[@austin12ascot]

Will you add another mast and more sails?

[@FlyingConey]

We need to add a complete new rig. The current mast is only for stabilizing the boat and prohibit rolling. We want to add two steel masts, square sails on the forward one with at least 4 yards, staysails in between the masts and a huge gaff sail on the aft mast. She will be a schooner brig (modern brigantine) again.

[@austin12ascot]

@@FlyingConey Sounds fantastic.

[@anfieldroadlayoutintheloft5204]

great vlogs on cxhannel thanks lee

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you for watching!

[@gregkarkowsky967]

Is rag time music popular in Austria? It's cute in your shows.

[@wyrdlg]

Interesting Vid! Where did you start by the way?

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you! The journey was from Lemmer to Urk. Roughly 18 nautical miles.

[@TomCrasemann]

what is the timeline for this project ? just to get this ship to a point where you could even add a sailing rig to it must be totally cost prohibitive. Not to be totally negative , but how can anyone finance this project ,especially with 36 k subscribers . this channel needs more substance than these filler episodes

[@Brian-bp5pe]

How does one convert a wooden hull to a metal hull? Wouldn't it be better to just set out from the start and build a metal-hulled ship?

[@FlyingConey]

Well it is a metal-hulled ship now and it was built using steel frames from the beginning. We're talking about the years after World War Two so there was a shortage on materials. Knowledge about riveting a steel ship was still around so using the metal structure of a wooden-hulled-ship is a relatively easy process.

[@OdinYYC]

Will a keel need to be added?

[@pmnfernando]

no, but depending on the span and layout of the interior refit, some interior ballast may or may not be needed to make the final product as balanced as possible, enhancing the sailing capability

[@FlyingConey]

Flying Coney is built as a long keeled S spant boat with internal blast only. We probably don't need additional ballast since we are slightly on the heavy side. If we find after designing the rig and after making a rolling test that there isn't enough ballast it's possible to bolt on large heavy steel bars to the keel this would roughly add 10 tons of additional ballast.

[@MicBruise]

Digging the bluegrass music. My mistake, it is old time music

[@Ppbxvii]

Warship video please!

[@ArtifexBarbarus]

Have you considered a sideline selling pies? There might be a market for “Barbara’s Rhabarber Barge” :-)

[@Schaneification]

I am a American that lives in Wien the 10th District :=)

[@tonywilson8383]

How far behind are you in your videos please. Thank you.

[@peterredman235]

Yes your ship has a history of sailing, but is the hull now in a sound enough condition to return her to sailing.?

[@FlyingConey]

Hi Peter, yes the hull is in excellent condition and it makes a sound foundation for a sailing ship conversion. We still need to repair about 20 frames mostly in the former cargo hold and we do want to lay a new deck.

[@Bmwjoergen]

👍👍👍

[@karibakid]

Sailing YABA Wont take any notice of your suggestion ,A disaster wanting to happen .The yard laughing all the way to the bank ,Still many awaiting who support them financially to hear the final cost .

[@voornaam3191]

Waai doe joe hef det Zjurmaan akzent in joor Ingleesh? Aaah, Duts! Joe aar Dudge! Det is it. Joe aar ferry Dudge. Luik!

[@FlyingConey]

Nah, Austrian! That one without the kangaroos. So just think about our accent that Terminator is restoring a big boat. She'll be back!

[@Vis4vinny]

I wonder. Does the name Flying Coney refer to the rabbit or the small grouper?

[@FlyingConey]

It's the rabbit. Because you never say rabbit on a boat so coney it was. The boat was built by the company De Haas meaning rabbit. Also we had rabbits for over a decade.

[@JamesBreaux-s2d]

Barbara, you have lost weight. Hello Ya'll. When will yall put sails on the ship 🚢. Hello from Orangefield Texas

[@DanBeech-ht7sw]

That's a fairly personal remark

[@paulheitkemper1559]

in English, the G in brigantine is pronounced wie "gross" oder "gut."

[@FlyingConey]

Thanks for clearing this up. Brigantine is slightly incorrect anyway because a true Brigantine has square topsails on both masts. We want to rig her as a Schooner Brig with square sails only on the forward mast.

[@paulheitkemper1559]

@@FlyingConey alles gut. Your English is (as I'm sure you're aware) otherwise perfectly good. Certainly better than my deutsch, which at this point has been reduced to the level of a very small child. 😆 In America the terminology is even more different (not surprising). We would call that a topsail schooner. I'm fine with either term, and I would want you to use the European term, even when talking to Americans.

[@FlyingConey]

@@paulheitkemper1559 Our drawing of the finished ship shows indeed a tops'l schooner rig. The most obvious difference is that a Tops'l Schooner flies a gaff sail in between the masts and a Schooner Brig flies staysails. The later also has usually 4 or 5 yards while the Tops'l Schooner has 2 or 3. There are more differentiations but some of them are outdated. Practically speaking the main propulsion of a Schooner Brig are the square sails on the forward masts while the Tops'l Schooner is basically a Schooner with additional square topsails. Think of it as an ancient spinnaker. If you have both rig types next to each other the difference is quite obvious especially when it comes to the huge amount of running rigging that is needed for a Schooner Brig. The aft mast of a true Brigantine looks similar to the forward mast of a Tops'l Schooner. It took me some time to get all of this straight.

[@natesquestyouknowthatsrigh8269]

😊

[@Mutant_11]

How much ballast did you add after removing the interior?

[@FlyingConey]

We're just floating a bit higher.

[@robertcarkeek8391]

❤

[@humnpwr]

A therapist, thought this was a nautical channel

[@dangeroustoman]

Don't they go together. 😂😂😂

[@schuttrostig5729]

I see a lot of sharp edges and hard sharp edges as well as a totally cluttered deck and a lot of equipment unnecessary for sailing... for me that looks pretty far from perfekt. specially the hard edges will give a lot of small injuris to the crew. not really what i would think is fun to sail on.

[@FlyingConey]

Don't jump to conclusions. Two years ago Tally Ho didn't even had a deck. A lot can change in two years. We will remove the existing steel deck and the wooden one below and lay a new one. A lot of the superstructures will be removed and also aft deck and wheelhouse will be lowered. The hull is perfect for a sailing ship conversion and also the engine is good for this purpose but that's about it. Still a long way to go but it can be done and most of the time we know what we're doing.

[@schuttrostig5729]

@@FlyingConey i dont see what Tally Ho has to do with it, but agree: if you make a new deck (or redesign the current one) that could be a game changer, the hull itself and the space below deck totally have potential.

[@FlyingConey]

I used Tally Ho just as an example how much can change in a few years. Although it isn't really necessary we try to lower the center of gravity as much as possible. Currently Flying Coney has a 3 inch wooden deck underneath the steel deck surrounded with concrete filled gutters. Now is the time to make changes and improve the boat. Changing the deck will be way harder once the interior is in place. It's a bit harder to explain a conversion project here on KZbin but the plan is to make a good looking and fast sailing ship.

[@tnllifeunedited9165]

🤠👍

[@sergueiothonucci1638]

😃😃😃

[@RobertPeniston]

Ditch the music!

[@edwardhanat6145]

cant wait to see masks and sail layout

[@DaleRaby]

too many commercials...

[@FlyingConey]

We publish the episodes earlier and without commercials on Patreon and we always place less adds than YT recommends.

[@francescopoggi3467]

How many more of these filler episodes??😢😢😢

[@bazra19]

Please remove unnecessary music from the vlog. Those who wish to have music can put their radio on, playing the music they like.

[@FlyingConey]

Please name one successful channel in the sailing or boat refitting niche that doesn't use music.

[@danieldonaldson8634]

this is really bothering me: how exactly does Barbara see me again, every time? And why is she so happy to see me? Sometimes, I've been having a bad day, and she says this: I don't really understand why someone would be happy to see me when I'm feeling terrible. I've started taping over my camera and turning off my phone, and only watching on a Mac mini than has no camera: Still, she sees me every time. This is clearly an invasion Into my privacy: are any other viewers also getting this message, or is it only me? If you are getting this, or a similar message, I think you should tell us in the comments below. Really not sure which would be worse, everyone, or just me. And Daniel never says it: so is he just keeping quiet, or is Barbara holding out on him? Or what is going on, actually?