Why Thrawn Believed the New Republic Was WAY Worse Than the Empire - Star Wars Explained

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[@DarkRider117]

Thrawn is the scariest type of “bad guy” one who has the respect and loyalty of those under him, they don’t follow him because he’s afraid but because they love him

[@briancook1724]

Lesson for the New Republic.... you do NOT be so unstable, not unified and think you can stand a chance against Admiral Thrawn.

[@mariusconstantin6057]

The only reason they won is because they turned one of Thrawn's allies against him by revealing that Thrawn was the one who destroyed Rukh's homeworld or sth like that

[@nicholase82]

​@@mariusconstantin6057I guess there is another moral lesson there about not making so many enemies.

[@benfrank9622]

@@mariusconstantin6057 Ahh yes, the old use the emotion trick to kill the bigger threat.

[@mish375]

​@@mariusconstantin6057 It was more about the Empire destroying the homeworld and profiting from the Noghri's desperation.

[@viktor1337w]

​@@mariusconstantin6057cant happen anymore. He died in rebels

[@daniels7907]

Mon Mothma was too sentimental for the Old Republic as it was under Chancellor Valorum. As a part of the political elite, she was insulated from many of the Republic's problems, which were obvious to those outside of the political class. So she built the New Republic to be the same as the Old, which was a bad mistake.

[@ElMaestroGordo]

In a similar way, Luke tried hard to emulate & pay homage to the old Jedi Order with his school. He fell into the same bear-traps as Mon Mothma.

[@daniels7907]

@@ElMaestroGordo - This is why Ahsoka would have made a better grand master than Luke. She had personal experience with the old Jedi Order and how corrupt it was. Luke just had a lot of idealized stories from Obi-Wan and Yoda claiming that the Jedi had been "guardians of truth and justice" when they were really guardians of the Republic's status quo.

[@ElMaestroGordo]

@@daniels7907 To be fair to the good guys, however, you can understand wanting to go back to what you know! What happened to the Jedi Order & fall of the Republic was a tragedy, & you want to patch up that old wound.

[@daniels7907]

@@ElMaestroGordo - If you had cancer, but now it is in remission, you generally don't want the cancer to come back just because it's "what you know". The Old Republic and the Jedi Order were *badly* broken. Palpatine did *not* seize power! It was *given* to him by the Senate enthusiastically. The Jedi proved time and again that they had lost their moral compass and now followed the trends of politics. The problem is that the Empire's actions overshadowed its origins. So even Mon Mothma, who was there, was lulled by the idea of long Senate debates that accomplished nothing because it was comfortable *for her.* But she didn't consider that the galaxy needed an actual *functioning* government and that was what so many systems had joined the CIS looking for, and why others still miss the Empire.

[@UltimateSpider1385]

Like Thrawn, I hate Corruption. And the New Republic unfortunately fits this very well. I understand why the Separatists wanted to bring down the republic because of it's corruption.

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

No, Disney Star Wars fits this very well

[@UltimateSpider1385]

@@Lawrence_Talbot another interesting point.

[@acefalcons4903]

The New Republics is like our leftists gov.

[@benfrank9622]

@@Hat_With_A_Hat_On Dictatorship is good if the leader's actions outweighs its worrying reputation.

[@benfrank9622]

Be in mind that Thrawn knows someone who can fully take advantage of corruption. If he's made canon, Tyber Zann would be a great evil villain. He's like Palpatine, but charming and witty.

[@HolyknightVader999]

This right here is why Palpatine rose to power rather quickly, and why smart guys like Thrawn followed the old man. He was one of the few politicians who was reliable; even though he was a back-stabbing snake, he was effective. He got things done. If you came to Palpatine with whispers of a threat from the edges of space that can grow to be a serious problem, he'd sit there, hear you out, and probably send Anakin/Vader to help you out, or he'd send someone dependable like Yularen, Tarkin, or Thrawn to deal with it. No wonder people are so loyal to him. They lived through times when the galaxy was ruled by ineffective politicians, he was one of the few who actually put his foot down and got things done. There are times when I think the Rebellion could've done better by simply putting Leia on Palpatine's throne instead of getting rid of the Empire altogether. At least they'd be able to skip all the stupid politics and get right into action. Imagine Hera making a petition to Empress Leia and her right-hand Jedi Shogun Luke Skywalker. All she'd need to do is pass off that someone credible like Ahsoka can testify that a threat coming, and she'd get her approval to go look for Ezra and Thrawn.

[@UltimateSpider1385]

Point taken.

[@chiquita683]

TLDR, Men lead?

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@chiquita683 The right men.

[@mariusconstantin6057]

Given out the First Order's rise to power I believe you and yes, I read wookiepedia a little and that's all I know about the destruction of the New Republic

[@HolyknightVader999]

​@@mariusconstantin6057Read the Legends novels about the New Jedi Order and the Thrawn novels. You'll see more of their failures there.

[@theforcedragon3781]

Honestly I’d join Thrawn he sounds like a nice Guy in ways

[@nicholasmarshall8430]

He is not nice, he is a leader and doer. The New Republic is nice and absent, i.e. a failure.

[@Bear-form]

Simply a good guy

[@KING-tz6lo]

Nope he’s just logical and smart

[@ytafan4068]

You hit upon two things here that I agree with completely. First, what he thought about the leadership of the Rebellion. While he admitted he respected the soldiers and commanders on the Rebellion - the ones who fought in the field - he didn't have that towards Mon Mothma and the others. Yes, she needed advisors. Yes, she needed to take into consideration the various members who made up the Rebellion. But she was unwilling to provide the firm leadership that a galaxy-spanning government needed. Mon Mothma didn't want to take Palpatine's approach to ruling the galaxy. She didn't want to be seen as another Palpatine. Garm Bel Iblis thought she was doing that or was aiming to do that, and that was why he splintered off and built up his forces in preparation for Mon Mothma's declaration of becoming the new Empress. That didn't happen, and he came to understand why she acted the way she did. Unlike Palpatine, she knew that with every decision she made, lives were in the balance. And she was afraid of entrusting those lives to others with the exception of those whom she could trust completely and implicitly. If Thrawn had known this, he might have given Mon Mothma some measure of respect because in a way, the way the two view the people under their respective commands are similar. But she was unwilling or unable to bring the heavy end of the hammer down on those who needed it, and that leads me to the second thing that I agree with you on - Borsk Fey'lya. I'll refer to him as "that Bothan" from here on out. That Bothan even said at one point what was best for him would be what was best for the galaxy. He didn't care if his political opponents refused to play the game his way. It came to a head during the battle for the Katana Fleet, and his views were exposed to the masses. But what did Mon Mothma do? Expel him? Imprison him? No. She let him endure his species period of penance, which frankly was complete idiocy. He refused to change. He continued to play things according to his rules - the rules that most Bothans play by. The only noted exceptions were Rogue Squadron pilot Asyr Sei'lar and Admiral Traest Kre'fey. And when that Bothan became the leader of the New Republic, he allowed corruption to become rampant in the Senate, which practically doomed the New Republic when they fought against the Yuuzhan Vong. He and the others refused to believe Leia's warnings, thinking it was a play for her to regain control of the New Republic. They refused to act when the military warned them. And by the time they acknowledged the threat, the Yuuzhan Vong had made too much of a headway in their conquest to be countered effectively. I found him to be too "Palpatinistic" for my tastes. By that, I mean his methods and motivations mirrored Palpatine's too closely for my comfort. His only saving grace was he wasn't Force-sensitive. If he had, I would have shot him dead before he even gained entry into the Senate chambers. No way would I allow another Palpatine rise to power, regardless of species. His stunt at the Katana fleet showed what he was, but frankly, the fact he pointed his blaster at a pregnant Leia should have sealed his fate. Chewie should have taught that Bothan how Wookies defined the term "disarmed" before Han shot him in the head and the heart. Granted, there might have been some backlash, and Han would have had a very personal motive for doing this, but in the end, it would have spared the New Republic and the galaxy a whole lot of pain and suffering later on.

[@DigiPen92]

I don't think Thrawn actually find out about the New Republic was created since he and Ezra were on a very far away galaxy and he pretty much didn't knew the Empire had lost before Morgan showed up?

[@Feanor6450]

correct, a lot of the stuff in this video is from legends, and therefore has very little direct relevance, however since a lot of legends has been canonised this is still likely very relevant.

[@Deamon93IT]

I wonder whether we'll see Vanto and Faro in Ahsoka, primarily because having Thrawn's pupils in play would make the New Republic look even more of a fool. Then again, Faro was conveniently forgotten in Rebels, because otherwise the series would have taken quite a different turn

[@godKiller.369]

Gilad Pellaeon: "Am I nothing to you?"

[@Deamon93IT]

@@godKiller.369 in canon Palleon captained another ISD, and besides he already made an appearance

[@godKiller.369]

I still want more of that mustache!

[@mish375]

Faro never really impressed me as a character, she was kind of just there. But I'd love to see Eli Vanto and Admiral Ar'alani at some point.

[@TimesFM4532]

Tbf the fact his government and the empire before him Paps collapsed after their deaths shows the ultimate weakness of their systems, one part hold it together unlike a democracy where many pieces can fall and the whole survivors and keeps fighting. If the vong attacked under him and he was killed or serious injured everything would be lost

[@MC-gj8fg]

A failure of logic regarding the characterization of Thrawn is that he's depicted as non-evil and far thinking, yet he supports a totalitarian society which makes no sense within the context of his aforementioned qualities. The trouble with any top heavy society is that while it is highly efficient and effective when run by a strong leader, it becomes a disaster when not run by an uncharacteristically wise hand. If Augustus was immortal perhaps the Roman empire would continue to exist today. Likewise, were Thrawn immortal then rule under his guidance probably would be better than a Republic. Unfortunately he's not and it won't. Sooner rather than later an incompetent ruler will ascend and it will be highly destabilizing. An empire can only weather so much instability before its foundation begins to crumble and it doesn't take much for an external force to easily knock down a once mighty power. Thrawn must know that the inefficiency of a republic is a feature, not a bug. Has the man simply not read his Cicero? Thrawn is too brilliant to suffer from such an obvious blind spot.

[@Feanor6450]

and that is why I don't want to see Thrawn simply start a new war with the New Republic.

[@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu]

There was a book in Legends where Thrawn had an answer to the problem of getting a worthy successor to go to the top of the system. He had himself cloned ... it just went wrong because Luke and Mara Jade killed the clone in his tank.

[@Dazzle_Novak_]

Basically, in my list of governments in Star Wars New Republic falls behind Thrawn's Empire of the Hand 6. First Order 5. Empire 4. Galactic Republic 3. CIS 2. New Republic 1. Empire of the Hand Empire of the Hand is by no means perfect, but it doesn't fall into the extremes like every other government, and they would be much more efficient, then new republic, who destroyed their own fleet before making sure that they crushed their enemy, while still having crime syndicates ruling over the outer rim. Unfortunately, NR with all of it's incompetency is a mirror to our own democratic countries, unwilling to prepare for a war that other extremist counties plotting for decades.

[@garyfrombrooklyn]

Again, the Simpsons foreshadowed this realization in Sideshow Bob’s courtroom speech. “Your guilty conscience may force you to vote Democratic but deep down you long for a cold hearted Republican” 😆

[@marcelgrabowski5939]

There is difference between totalitarian regime, and authoritarian rule, m'thraw'nuruodo is authoritarian, but not totalitarian. Totalitarian regime is authoritarism taken to extremum, where everything and everyone is serving for the ruling class, and the most massive emphasis is on controling people, meanwhile nation and effectiveness are secondary, authoritarian rule have those priorities switched opposite, with nation and effectiveness above controll, it is still to be said that there is very blur line between the two, and they are often intertwining and dancing between those two sides, and can switch with just one ruler valuing personal power above the state into totalitarian state, from wich it is not likely to turn back and will most likely continue until all come crumbling down. After all democracies are not without reason the most common type of government on the planet, they are much less likely to deevolve into totalitarian state, althought it is not impossible, like we see on example of III Reich.

[@brokenbridge6316]

Corruption if left unchecked long enough will result in chaos.

[@GAJake]

When Thrawn found out agent Kallus was a spy in canon, he should have told him to tell the rebellion he was planning on a coup from the inside as it was the best way forward for everyone. It would allow the rebels to go into to hiding and the only deaths be Thrawn's imperials and Palpatine's imperials and actual rebel terrorists like saw who would likely refuse to go along with this plan. Once Thrawn takes over the empire he would stop all of the corruption and restore the empire into a republic. Kallus didn't believe him thinking it was a trap until thrawn explained the chiss and how his successes against these lothal rebels would help him get enough power to be promoted and get enough support from other imperials to take over, as a "neccesary evil". Thrawn then calls out kallus for killing an entire race of people. Thrawn says he will be his contact to the rebels but they must frame someone else, Constantine. His plan is to create "false successes" against the rebels to help them go into hiding and thrawn can get promoted. He would then make sure corrupt imperials are part of the "Minimal losses" that would still occur. As an act of good faith thrawn promises once the rebels are "gone" from lothal he would convince the empire to move resources elsewhere. His first plan is to destroy a "Rebel base" that will actually already be abondoned but record an orbital bombardment. Kallus is to tell the rebels to centralize all of their broken transports and ships in one place for him to destroy and record for the empire, however they would need to remotely pilot some ships to make it look good that some were trying to escape, especially a replica of the ghost. Thrawn also uses this to show off his tie-defenders taking out the ghost which fully makes plapatine switch to supporting his project. Which is good since Thrawn is making sure the pilots are loyal to him. As expected saw disagrees with the plan and plans on ambushing thrawn, which actually helps make the recording more believable. Saw is captured and thrawn convinces him that if he agrees to he plan he will let saw help kill vader and palpatine, he agrees and thrawn holo-records burning a dead body pretending it is saw. Saw then leaves to go into hiding with the rest of the rebels. Thrawn gets promoted to admiral of the fleet. Thrawn now comes up with a plan to fill a star destroyer with explosives and crash it into vader's command ship when palpatine and a bunch of high raking military officers are visiting. Thrawn however is not going to be at the meeting as he was put in charge of security for the event, after fufilling his promise thrawn lets saw press remote button that starts the ship ramming towards vader's ship. Thrawn to pretend he is trying to stop it orders all ships to fire on it, however it is too late. Now with palaptine, and all other high ranking officials dead, thrawn takes a tip out of plapatine's book and declares himself emperor. He does a whole thing thanking the Emperor for his ability to end the clone wars and stop the rebels, he then blames the attack on the grysk. An alien race that wants to destroy the galaxy and his people, he then claims they are shapeshifters and blamed the initial assisination attempt on plaplpatine on the jedi, as they feared the jedi to be their greatest threat. He then says with this galaxy secure he can take the fleet and travel outside the galaxy to defeat this threat and protect the borders of the empire. Thrawn also claims that he is reforming the empire back into the republic, stating that palpatine gained power taking the burden of ruling off of the citizens in order to protect them and to destory corruption in the senate, but centralizing that power made him too much of a target. With the galaxy secure now and with palpatine's sacrifice destroying corruption the galaxy is ready for the responsibility of ruling themselves again. He also then creates an "intergalactic alliance" with neutral planets like mandalore (Which didn't defy the emperor because of this plan and was not destroyed) Navarro, ryloth, and the chiss. After this speech Thrawn only serves 4 years as emperor to oversee the transfer of power back to the senate and oversees a the creation of a new military with thrawn's tactics becoming doctrine. Thrawn helps craft a new constitution that allows citizens to be armed in case of invasion, and allows for planets to form their own militaries to supplement the federal military (like the chiss families). He combines the best parts of the chiss with the empire and rebellion creating a "System Patrol" to take over policing and act as a defensive navy, and a defense force consisting of a navy, starfighter corps, special forces, and an small army focusing on training planetary defense forces. Thrawn develops an entire new line of ships based around a carrier and cruiser combo, as well as support ships like missile/torpedo boats, frigates, and interdictors, combining imperial tech with mon calamari shields. Now able to be in the open Obiwan is able to tell luke and leia the truth before luke goes off to join the defense fleet, with their first mission to go get yoda, ezra, sabine, and ahsoka and start rebuilding the order. However the new order has both full time and part time jedi and opens up force church's throughout the galaxy teaching how to become one with the force even after death. Leia and Sabine have very little force sensitivity but they learn how to trust the force. Luke becomes a pilot for the navy and ahsoka steps up to be full time master of the order (like a pastor). Ezra and sabine spread the force to the Mandalorians. Thrawn then focuses the majority of the navy on exploring the unkown regions closest to the chiss to take out the grysk. He has help from the jedi who help him navigate, most notably ezra who is able to connect with purgil, and luke skywalker who becomes his best starfighter pilot, alongside hera syndulla and wedge antilles, and admiral akbar and han solo who lead the 2 other carrier groups supporting thrawn's flagship. The tie defender, x wing, and a-wing designs are brought to the chiss UAG and with input from Luke, han, and wedge the chiss create 2 designs of ships: First the clawcraft, an easy to use superiority starfighter. It had 3 variants a multirole assault varaint, an superiority variant, and a remote piloted interceptor variant. Second is the StealthX a jedi starfighter that required using the force to communicate due to it's stealth abilities. It also had reduced avionics, sensors, and shields, focusing on stealth technology, speed, maneuverability, and firepower. They then begin their preparations for the grysk invasion which eventually comes but the combined intergalactic alliance fleet fends it off and destroys them. With the grysk gone, thrawn returns home and creates his own ruling family marrying thalias with the taken over grysk planets becoming their new home and Thrawn's new name becoming. Patriarch Jedi'raw'nuruodo making his new name Dirawn. Thrawn allows the jedi to build a new temple on the planet and vows to have no part in familiy politics which is why he created a new family name.

[@CeenCrazyOfficial]

Im still wondering what happened to Ezra

[@davidsmith7962]

The New Republic is in disarray

[@jeremyjoyner9700]

Your channel is one of the best out in my opinion!!!🎉

[@TheStupendousWave]

Glad you think so!

[@christopherhanton6611]

I agree 👍 as well

[@Gor85]

New Republic is completely incompetent. Lazy,corrupted,self-surving. They're cowardly,weak. Thrawn's Empire was strong. He loves and appreciates loyality,ideas,fresh approach. This is the right way. I like the video very much. May the Force be with you too :) Have a fantastic day too

[@Galejro]

2:14 That pretty much is a fact based in History, just take a look at the French Revolution, or Revolutions I should say. The people rose up against an incompetent autocracy in a brutal uprising. But once it was defeated, once the dust settled and the King lost his head than those same people unified under 1 banner split into infighting factions as they simply, NEVER HAD A PLAN ON WHAT TO DO NEXT? That lead to infighting of democrats vs royalists vs total madmen who took over and you had the Jackobins who instated an arguably far worse "democratic" autocracy on lvl of ww2 Germany. The story of F Revolution also teaches us how to run an autocratic state. Every tyrant from Roman Emperors, to Chinese Emperors to medieval Kings to Louis 14 and 15 knew that a brutal autocracy must be a combination of a Firm hand and provision. To squeeze people for resources, but not too hard so as not to make them desperate, and still provide for them so as to make it reasonable. That the one on top is a brutal evil selfish tyrant, but one that does in the end make your life better, it's a mentality most of us kinda forgot in today's modern times, hw to live under a tyrant, but one that doesn't make your life a living hell. This in turn was Palpatine's mistake, Empire is indeed "A magnificent Construct", but if your construct focuses too much on squeezing without any lee-way or regular provision than obviously its construct flawed with a disease of rebellion.

[@kingshadow8782]

Mr. Thrawn!

[@Edward-nf4nc]

He's not wrong about leading a rebellion and leading a government. I think having the leaders of a rebellion lead a government is the worst form of government. You need new leaders for a new form of leadership. It's why a Constitutional monarchy works so well in comparison to an Absolute monarchy, and why the Rebellion began. Sidious empire was an absolute empire, and the Rebellion sort to end it. The Rebellion was a slow Revolution because it was an absolute agreement, not rule. This is why you need new leaders. The other issue the New Republic faces is that there are too few leaders. Thrawn can see this and I think if the New Republic had to fight Thrawn's Hand Empire it would help them see their weaknesses. They need something or someone to unite them and Thrawn could just be that someone!

[@peterpienczuk2664]

poor thrawn for all his wisdom he forgot the important maxim that the republic is often beaten in battle but seldom in war

[@godKiller.369]

Lawful Neutral indeed.. could that be where on the moral compass we find orange lightsabers too? Order but also ruthlessness when neccecary...

[@brandonfinley7566]

❤🎉 thank you good show you open my eyes on more of thrawn that I need to know about I never knew thrawn thought that way but thank you for the show

[@MorbidGod391]

This video actually puts episode three into perspective. Thrawn is going to be a huge threat and would have been a better villain then Snoke/First Order. I’m glad we are getting this now. I just wonder what the end result will be - or will they say he started the first order? I guess we’ll see!

[@alexandercorbett3095]

You sound like Kevin from the office

[@justinnyawera8804]

I'm absolutely obsessed with thrawn

[@charliedouglas7567]

tbf when u put it like this, thrawn was loyal to his emperor and did as he was bid even if he didn't agree but we will never know that. but from what u said about when thrawn was a leader didn't sound like he did a bad job

[@12bigredd]

because most of them were just empire people in different uniforms so no real thinkers. basically the same as will happen in russia when putin goes lol its amazing how art copies life

[@joeaquilino19]

Bro thrawn is trying to drive off the end of the new extended universe

[@tompearce5418]

At the end of Rise of Skywalker the galaxy has comprehensively rejected both the New Republic and the First Order due to decades of exploitative central government and appears to be on the verge of an interstellar Dark Age, with lots of isolated nation states.

[@alllove5654]

Why did thrawn become my favorite Star Wars character in three videos lol I’m inspired to lead the nation now

[@Larynx_the_Changeling]

I think this flawedness in a Disney-era Star Wars media is actually intentional for once. Ashoka is trying to show how the New Republic has become complacent since winning the Battle of Jakku. All the demilitarization and arrogant commanding officers are meant to show us, the fans, that the New Republic thinks that there is no evil left that can successfully oppose them. We know these flaws are intentionally done by the writers because we all already know what's gonna happen. The Republic's laziness will lead to the rise of the First Order and the NR does little about it, so the Resistance cones in and says "Aight, I've had it up to here with this banthapoodoo, you ain't gonna save the galaxy, Imma dewit myself." And thanks to demilitarization, the "Republic Fleet" can't properly defend the capital, so battered bald scrotum-face Snokey Boi uses Kyber Crystal central, the planet Illum, which he turned into Death Star on steroids, and blows up every planet in the Hosnian System. Way to go New Republic. I do hope that at or near the end of Ashoka, we do see the rise of the First Order.

[@AvatarSampai]

Palpatine wasn't really that bad considering what other Sith Lords did. Yes he did destroy the Jedi, but on the other Hand the Jedi weren't a Force Of Good to the Galaxy. As for the Republic, well you don't need to look Further then Coruscant, Shiny on the Surface but Disgusting under. In a way the Jedi and the Republic were good at Burying their Heads in the Ground and Pretending Everything is well and good. Even back during Kotor, all the Sith had to do is Ignore the Jedi and the Republic and they would have Crumbled Under their own Incompetence, in a way their Actions allowed them to Thrive Way Longer then it was Necessary.

[@TUDGAF]

Because it is

[@nickfeness]

Does anyone else think that thawn looks like elon musk in the thumbnail

[@WHOOOOOOOME]

Honestly, I hate the rebels. I’m for the Empire. The Empire controlled half the galaxy and maintained order. The rebels are trying to do the same thing but fail.

[@DoorTechnicianRick]

Well the Nazi's controlled Europe and maintained order too... Doesn't make them great tho

[@CurriedBat]

When compared to the USA political system, the remnants of the New Republic is a master class on leadership.

[@l337izes]

I never saw Thrawn as evil after. 😅

[@samuelrobles3737]

Day 228 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

[@devo1977s]

Thrawn would be able to wield Mjolnir

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

The new republic has the same problem as the Galactic Empire incomptent burecrats are the same as impieral moffs and generals...

[@Feanor6450]

I want to see Thrawn join the good guys, I do not want to see him continue working for the bad guys because then he has to lose which will be devastating to me, I want to see him join the New Republic and help it against the yuuzhan vong or some other extra galactic threat, something which may be being set up with the other galaxy thing, I don't want to see him simply on a revenge driven military crusade because that is a big part of what he isn't and the reason he is so popular amongst fans, if he just returns as an angry revenge driven commander replacing the empire it will (in my opinion) completely ruin his character, I want to finally see Thrawn unshackled from the problem of having to lose due to being on the bad guys side, and sadly this puts him on the side of the New Republic.

[@Feanor6450]

also bear in mind, Thrawn abhors civilian casualties, trying to avoid them whenever possible, so the story of the death stars and then operation cinder will not sit well with him, it is hard to imagine him feeling much love or kinship with the imperial remnants given what the empire has done since he was pulled into hyperspace, overall I think he should instead take the view that with the emperor dead his oath of loyalty has died with him and he should go back to the Chiss ascendancy, possibly setting up the empire of the hand or equivalent, before leading the Hand's forces against the yuuzhan vong at the side of the New Republic. Remember, Thrawn joined the empire for the primary purpose of defending HIS people, not everyone, even if he sees the New Republic as a failure it is hard to imagine him deciding that it is his duty to destroy it, killing millions of people in the process, in order to reinstate a dictatorship with himself at the top.

[@brittanyjtaylor2638]

unfortunatly dave wont see it this way.... only zahn does...

[@brittanyjtaylor2638]

@@Feanor6450 *grysk not vong

[@brittanyjtaylor2638]

Grysk in cannon

[@Feanor6450]

@@brittanyjtaylor2638 yeah but the vong would be cooler to see on the big screen.

[@theforcedragon3781]

Hello there

[@djnavarro3212]

You know just once. I want the Republic to take a threat seriously. Because both Republics have been really sloppy of taking threats seriously. Except for the Old Republic

[@tython055]

Two, technically. The Old Republic is not the same as the Galactic Republic. And unlike the GR, the OR actually got shit done when the Sith were a huge threat on the Galaxy and the Jedi weren't always the political lapdogs that led to their eventual downfall by the end of the Clone Wars.

[@djnavarro3212]

Oh yeah. Thank you for correcting me

[@MikefromTexas1]

I think you meant Idiocy, not Idiocracy.😂

[@Haradama1]

I thought Fey’lya’s name was pronounced “fai lja”, or failure with a break in it

[@mish375]

Fay-lee-ah is how it should be pronounced. The "y" should take on an "ee" sound like at the end of the word happy.

[@daveonwheeler7412]

New Republic is not old republic

[@sergeikshiminskiy6546]

Call what you want but I think thrawn is right when it comes to the new republic

[@Sageofthenation]

Well, according to Disney's rendition of the New Republic, it was run by a bunch of emotional, blue haired feminists. So he's right.

[@DarthNox66]

First

[@glamourweaver]

Ok the “Thrawn is not evil” argument is nonsense. He’s effective, he’s intelligent, he isn’t sadistic for it’s own sake, but he is absolutely a ruthless oppressor of innocent people if it effectively serves his ends. He’s evil, and always has been since the original Zahn novels. He is not your good fascist woobee. He’s just SMARTER than the Sith. That’s all.

[@brittanyjtaylor2638]

someone hasn't read the new books....

[@G_Signer]

why you so political?

[@LaneTheBrane]

Who cares, this ISN'T Star Wars

[@DoorTechnicianRick]

It is, now cope

[@12bigredd]

Thrawn was such a divk his own people cast him out. for the record I don't like his type lol but excellent vidoe

[@imgonnastealyourgirl]

People here saying they would rather live under Thrawn than the okd Republic need to check out some of the things Thrawn has done. Republic wasnt fantastic, but Thrawn is made out to be an honourable man by fanboys. He isnt. Just because he is not as wasteful with life as Sidious or Vader doesnt mean he was a good man.

[@eazye8828]

Thrawn is lowkey is becoming one my favorite characters. What I like most is that he does all this without the force but with strategy

[@dauntless764]

Yeah he's great but he'll get killed off in this show by Disney :(. I lowkey want Ahsoka and all the protagonists to lose and Thrawn to succeed hahaha

[@mish375]

@@dauntless764 Thrawn did succeed. He won at the end of Ahsoka Season 1 using limited resources after 10 years in exile. For those who haven't read the books: Thrawn is extremely resourceful. He's been in exile before this at one point. And when he was on a planet with almost no resources, he still went full alien Rambo and took out an insane number of Imperial Troopers with little no tech. So Thrawn being back now with the Imperial Fleet at his disposal? The New Republic needs to be very afraid at this point.

[@RoyCyberPunk]

Thrawn has always been more of an antihero and pragmatic Totalitarian than any of his counterparts had he succeeded he would have been the Star Wars galaxy version of the Roman philosopher emperor but the problem with that is that whoever succeeded him wouldn't be as competent necessarily and that's all it takes for everything to fall apart again.

[@nektariosh3470]

Thrawn is a good leader. I would prefer to live under Thrawn than the republic.

[@Peacemaker2024-A9T]

Do you really believe Thrawn will treat and take care of the people galaxy better than Palpatine or the New Republic did?

[@SamvedIyer]

@@Peacemaker2024-A9T How far he succeeds will always be moot, but that he would strive to do so better than the others is beyond doubt. Certainly better than Palpatine, who cared for none but himself, and better than the sluggish New Republic.

[@nektariosh3470]

@dreamwalker2865 Absolutely. THRAWN is the very epitome of a statesman. He isn't brutal unnecessarily and he is quite the intellectual. A Renaissance man as it were.

[@mish375]

@@Peacemaker2024-A9T Technically in the EU, it became apparent that Thrawn's version of the Empire was far better than Palpatine's fascism. Thrawn overturned the laws that were against non-humans from being promoted. Thrawn had people promoted based on merit, not race. Because, while Thrawn was the exception, his promotion was controversial in the Empire as he was a Chiss. His Empire of the Hand was more efficient than Palpatine's though. I'm not saying it was perfect, or that I support authoritarian systems (I don't), but if you're comparing Thrawn's Empire of the Hand to Palpatine's Empire, Thrawn was a much more effective and fair leader.

[@YokozunaNumber1]

Pride comes before a fall, and that's why the New Republic, like the Jedi leading up to Order 66, became as incompetent as they are.

[@marshalllatta2073]

I don't why but I want the new republic to fall

[@mariusconstantin6057]

It falls

[@HolyknightVader999]

Just read the NJO novels or watch TFA. You'll get your wish.

[@xDvsking666x]

Glory to the Empire of The Hand! Imagine a game where you play as a trooper that's engaged in fighting pirates and helping the worlds that eventually align with Thrawn.

[@The_Lucent_Archangel]

Filoni's take on Thrawn is very much watered down. I have very little faith in him not simply being overthrown and killed by girl power, and none of what happens in any of these shows truly matters. It's all subtext and pretense for the awful sequel trilogy and whatever contrived nonsense they do with Rey instead of just letting that narrative dead-end be forgotten as it should.

[@lisboah]

The problem is not with Filoni, but with the modern culture that forces writers to make female main characters nigh unbeatable and far wiser than the rest. If they don't do that, the feminists will go on a rampage. If Disney!Thrawn was as much of a threat as Legends!Thrawn was, the New Republic would have fallen in a matter of weeks. Keep it in mind that, in Legends, Thrawn was only defeated because his bodyguard killed him because Leia was Vader's daughter, who was a near godlike being in his society.

[@mish375]

Given that Thrawn escaped the planet after 10 years in exile with little resources against 3 Jedi (one of whom stranded him there in the first place), I'd hardly call that watered down. It shows just how dangerous he really is. Non-book readers have no clue how crazy this is going to get with Thrawn being back and I'm here for it.

[@stevenjohnson6962]

I love that they used Kaz's dad for that senator. Love that call back to the resistance animated series. Xiono fills that role extremely well.

[@andrewmaderer1989]

Ah yes. That show we all don’t consider canon lol.

[@tython055]

​@@andrewmaderer1989Good thing he died along with the rest of a pathetic excuse of a New Republic. They are so much like their Galactic Republic predecessor. 😂

[@richv1893]

Thrawn's analysis may be correct about the new republic now. What is not taken into account is that the old republic must have had its own problems early on, just like the new republic has now. Thrawn's vision is different, but that doesn't make it better than Siddious it's the same message, just a different tactic. The end goal is the same.

[@NetraAmorosi]

The Old Republic while more stable the new one, it was corrupt with many self serving senators, the outer colonies often neglected or poorly assisted. It's a miracle that it lasted as long as it did frankly.

[@troller8680]

Issue is, Old republic was formed right from the ground, it had grown in stages and had time to adapt, while New Republic is a continuation of the Galactic Empire and Old Republic. And it gets plagued by the same issues as its predecessors. So no, Trawn analysis would be correct overall. Galaxy needed something new, not the repetition of old.

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

Thrawn is correct

[@InfiniteNaos]

You’d think the New Republic would learn from the Republic and Empire mistakes, but nope they do not….

[@The_Desert_Tiger]

You need to remember that the people running the New Republic were from the upper classes of the people running the Republic so they never saw any of the real bad from either the Republic or the Empire.

[@adamwebb8114]

That neutral respect from Thrawn sounds familiar... maybe similar to having balance in the force eh 😊

[@christopherhanton6611]

"To Defeat an Enemy, You Must Know Them. Not Simply Their Battle Tactics, But Their History, Philosophy, Art. "I'm Not Accepting Surrenders At This Time. I Want You to Know Failure, Utter Defeat, And That It Is I Who Delivers It Crashing Down Upon You i study the art of war to perfect it THRAWN

[@hurafloyd]

I’ve watched Rebels quite a few times and on 1:56 of this video just noticed that piece of art looks like the Guernica from Picasso.

[@EcoNationalSyndicalist]

I have to agree with Thrawn. That’s why he should’ve been emperor, he’s earned it.

[@andrewdilbeck9842]

The New Republic can learn a thing or two from Thrawn's hand of The empire.

[@elliotyourarobot]

This is what happens when you have anarchists or no political thinking or a real ideology for a rebellion.

[@jamietaaffe7040]

Trawn is the Anti-Hero.

[@mish375]

I'd argue he's in his own category. Anti-heros usually don't care about saving others, but Thrawn does given the Yuuzhan Vong/Grysk Threat to the entire galaxy. So he's able to set aside his morality to get the job done, but for him it's all about saving lives in the long run.

[@chrisstarlitvagabond1496]

It's interesting how Thrawn's philosophy focuses on the flaws of republican government without giving equal consideration to the flaws of authoritarian rule. Dictators need to remain open to new information and ideas, but concentrating that much power in one person makes an awfully juicy target for all the skillful manipulators in the galaxy. Even on a national level, it's incredibly easy to become paranoid or overconfident and thus become disconnected from the populace you intended to protect. The history of authoritarian rule is littered with revolts and revolutions. And even when a ruler is skilled at that tightrope walk, their inevitable death can lead to collapse or decline. Succession disputes have fractured nations. Even if succession is clear and undisputed, history is full of selfish tyrants and ineffective kings.

[@mish375]

I think the beauty of Zahn's writing is that he has his characters act within their cultural contexts. The Chiss Ascendancy was an oligarchy of families in a caste system with authoritarian threads. So it makes sense that the Chiss as a whole would see the authoritarian Empire as a lesser evil to destruction. It also explains how they would see the old and new Republics as corrupt and mismanaged. Thrawn's viewpoint is that efficiency trumps infighting, even if said system is authoritarian.

[@chrisstarlitvagabond1496]

@@mish375That's fair, we tend to be blind to the flaws of the systems we're accustomed to.

[@mish375]

@@chrisstarlitvagabond1496 Exactly. While Thrawn had arguments over tactics with the Chiss leaders, it makes sense for him to still favour a more authoritarian system because that's what he knows. Decades of military service - as any military branch, in this case Naval - would add to this as militaries are authoritarian by design/necessity. Thrawn is willing to overlook or allow certain things simply because completing the mission/survival is paramount. The Chiss are constantly at war with the Grysk/Yuuzhan Vong, so it does make sense that they would excuse certain crimes to get the job done. As for your last comment about leaders dying: in the old EU, Thrawn had arranged it so that even if he died, his Empire of the Hand could still be run by his subordinates. I think it might have been naturally absorbed by the Ascendancy over time. But it was never taken by the New Republic. Shows how far ahead Thrawn was at planning.

[@cacophonic7]

Why’d they have to make a Thrawn an an Elon look-alike?

[@DoorTechnicianRick]

He ain't... His actor looks nothing like Musk

[@NagaSadow44]

stupendous when are you showing your face 😂

[@ColdHighway7]

Thrawn is the type of guy who would declared war on the various criminal syndicates in the galaxy not only because what they're doing is wrong but knows that would gain him much more willing supporters.

[@leoroemer6085]

So disappointing to see the New Republic go down in flames.

[@Johnstone-gg3bw]

Thrawn in the books was everything you say. With 'Rebels' Thrawn, they cut corners and portrayed him as a psychopath.

[@ghostface4404]

we need Sabine to recreate the Mandalorians as the new galactic power.

[@Studmuf-Rockin]

Yup, Thrawn is my favorite!

[@murderfaery5715]

Admiral Thrawn = Elon Musk lol

[@blooddiamond9448]

I’m on thrawns team

[@ianskiver6246]

borsk was a great foil

[@SHARKVADERS]

...NNNNNNOOOOOOO

[@spacenomad7359]

I'm just gonna say it; Ahsoka is my sequel trilogy now

[@brokenbridge6316]

Yeah I can't help by think that Thrawn has a point too.

[@EthanKironus8067]

6:14 - Giving me serious Paul von Oberstein vibes here...

[@CurriedBat]

The fact that the actress playing Morgan Elsbeth has the same name as my grandmother, and whose father was trained by Bruce Lee, who then trained her... is enough for me to be full in. Ahsoka's going to have to dispatch some of these folks with lightsabers, because her big baddie is going to be hard enough without one.

[@borgeoisie]

I'd stand with Thrawn 100% although I'm a separatist myself I respect his ideals and if The CIS is out of the question Thrawn ruled imperial govt is the best system

[@Emergencyphone-p8w]

Was the new republic any worse than the old republic? Is there any reason to think the new republic was more corrupt or less able to care for its citizens? That might make an interesting video.

[@mkb4560]

Thrawn would have been a great leader of the new Republic but he was fighting for the wrong side

[@TeeHeeCult]

I'm just gonna say it I would vote for Thrawn

[@MrLAVAKIVAKA7]

That's what they get, Trump shall rise again lol

[@captainbuddyfantastic4181]

Thrawn sounds like Putin.

[@spcmegreg]

Moral of the story: Thrawn should have won.😅

[@hanlee0318]

쓰론이 용산 숨어 있었다는 설정인가? ㅋㅋㅋㅋ ㅋㅋㅋㅋ