Why Toji Vs Garou Isn't Close

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Yacine

Yacine

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@YacineScales
@YacineScales Жыл бұрын
Hey guys , sorry for not posting for a long time , this was suggested way too much , i hope you enjoy it , Again Happy New Year , even tho very late , don't forget to join the discord server
@RedLights9000-f3l
@RedLights9000-f3l Жыл бұрын
5:41 Wait what guid book ?
@coldxxsanemi392
@coldxxsanemi392 Жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks for the nice video I loved all your videos man and even subscribed. If you want can you please explain who’d win between tanjiro vs yuji?
@yazzy3177
@yazzy3177 Жыл бұрын
we got the same name
@Nobody-Cool
@Nobody-Cool Жыл бұрын
It's alright man
@Julian.noa21
@Julian.noa21 Жыл бұрын
@yacine can you do sukuna vs orochi
@ELPERRODELMAL
@ELPERRODELMAL Жыл бұрын
Garou is like human mahoraga but on steroids, even if toji camps for a month garou will just get stronger mid fight and stomp him like he did everyone else
@onizukasensei5321
@onizukasensei5321 Жыл бұрын
mahoraga is a bit different
@raqraven
@raqraven Жыл бұрын
Garou became planetary when he reached the full monster form, he shaked the entire world with just a punch. I cant even imagine how would 20F Sukuna even kill the monster form when it's moving in a speed of light while casting martial arts combo
@ya_got_cooked
@ya_got_cooked Жыл бұрын
​@@onizukasensei5321well, mahogara is a curse but potential wise, garou is higher the fact that it took him 1 day to become multi continental with his potential alone. mahogara can adapt to someone like gojo, you also must consider that garou ain't just fighting like a dumb, he can created technique that will ignore the infinity and attack the body just like what he did against saitama, he penetrated his body and tried to attack his organs but he failed because saitama's organs is as durable as his body
@ya_got_cooked
@ya_got_cooked Жыл бұрын
​@@raqravenhe didnt just shook the entire planet, he also bulk the other side of earth.
@onizukasensei5321
@onizukasensei5321 Жыл бұрын
@@ya_got_cooked yes but maohoraga adapts in the sense he can adapt to any phenomenon garou adapts in just his physical stats and combat abilities so in a sense garou adapts in a more straight forward way that he is slowly monsterising and breaking his physical limiter and due to that is becoming more resistant to other hax and is making such a leap in power that quickly plus he is understanding his martial arts more mahoraga is different in the sense he adapts mainly to abilities. For example the infamous scene where he is just walking through sukunas domain expansion
@thedabisme61
@thedabisme61 11 ай бұрын
hydrogen bomb vs coughing restriction
@ThatGalacticGod3812
@ThatGalacticGod3812 7 ай бұрын
More like rock smashing bomb vs coughing restriction
@AlexAblaz3
@AlexAblaz3 5 ай бұрын
heat death of the universe vs three month old infant
@Phishface
@Phishface Ай бұрын
@@AlexAblaz3 the forces of matter and lack of matter constantly pushing each other together and apart vs a sperm cell
@livekazumareaction
@livekazumareaction Жыл бұрын
As the biggest toji glazer ever I say Toji fucking dies and explodes
@Reliccontent
@Reliccontent Жыл бұрын
😂
@mjolnir2139
@mjolnir2139 Жыл бұрын
Real
@thegermanfool8953
@thegermanfool8953 11 ай бұрын
😂
@thegermanfool8953
@thegermanfool8953 11 ай бұрын
😂
@-S4T
@-S4T 11 ай бұрын
nah you aint the biggest just keep in mind that some toji fanboys really put toji against garou
@Snoopdog2034
@Snoopdog2034 Жыл бұрын
In other words, Toji needs weapons or crazy luck to win. But to be fair I don't see why these guys would fight either way other than Toji stupidly going "wtf he's so much stronger than me I have GOT to kill this guy.", It's more likely Garou would ignore Toji or at best ask if Toji is a hero or not (either due to his physical build, occasional non-standard outfit or other reasons), then when Toji says "Nah. I'm not one for heroics." he just goes "Ok I have better things to do."
@brockly7916
@brockly7916 Жыл бұрын
yeah man... I don't understand the hate with Toji! both Toji, Garou, and Saitama is the ABSOLUTE PINNICALE OF HUMANITY half of this weebs don't understand me.. I still choose Toji.. he will go all out regardless if he faces Garou.. 🤌
@filthycasual927
@filthycasual927 Жыл бұрын
Unless toji is offered a boat load of money like ranging from millions theres no way toji is gonna let an opportunity for that much cash go away easily and which we know the Hero association and their investors are pretty stacked so this is just a small loss for them
@customname4680
@customname4680 Жыл бұрын
​@@brockly7916hate with toji??? He's the second most loved anime character this season
@Snoopdog2034
@Snoopdog2034 Жыл бұрын
@@filthycasual927 Yeah that's a good reason for why they'd fight probably the most logical reason actually
@filthycasual927
@filthycasual927 Жыл бұрын
@@Snoopdog2034 Tho the question is will toji accept it if he see's how garou fights maybe scope his out and see what hes capable of while toji will kill anyone for money he knows not to pick fights he cant win since money is useless if your dead and cant use it
@Egg878
@Egg878 Жыл бұрын
The thing about Dagon being an island level just because he was able to create one is simply stupid, it's like saying that Phoenix Man can destroy an entire dimension (understood from fiction) just because of his ability to create his ''spiritual space''
@edwinquintero4020
@edwinquintero4020 Жыл бұрын
Depends how big is the dimension and also Phoenix Man space is purely temporal and not anything physical
@Egg878
@Egg878 Жыл бұрын
@@edwinquintero4020 temporary??? do you know what you say?
@Egg878
@Egg878 Жыл бұрын
@@edwinquintero4020 temporary??? do you know what you say?
@Egg878
@Egg878 Жыл бұрын
@@edwinquintero4020 What Phoenix Man did was transport his consciousness and that of Child Emperor to another "dimension" (or something like that, i don't remember) and taking into account the "form" of it, it would have a different space-time.
@sidthixaychoummanivong5643
@sidthixaychoummanivong5643 Жыл бұрын
Fr, these ppl don't know how to scale, they be saying a character's AP based on who they fought 💀 Say Gojo AP scale to 10, and if Toji beat Gojo once, Toji AP scale to 11 some bullshit like that lmao.
@Hamzter1234
@Hamzter1234 Жыл бұрын
Garou would eat toji alive bruh
@myusername3689
@myusername3689 Жыл бұрын
Maybe don’t word it like that cuz internet and slangs.
@theboogerbomb
@theboogerbomb Жыл бұрын
​@@myusername3689In case it wasn't clear Garou would absolutely vore the fuck out of Toji
@fckaroundnfindoutt
@fckaroundnfindoutt Жыл бұрын
Garou would blow Toji’s back out
@LMNTRIX45
@LMNTRIX45 Жыл бұрын
Bro I’m saying how is this even a conversation bro blitzes him so badly 😂💀 and one shots
@jvr6809
@jvr6809 Жыл бұрын
Only from the one that fights Orochi
@Scorching238
@Scorching238 Жыл бұрын
If you used Cosmic Garou he could just stand there and Toji would just die from the radiation so I’m glad you only used Spiral Garou and lower. Edit: R.I.P. my notifications may you live well in hell.
@theperfectbeing765
@theperfectbeing765 Жыл бұрын
That literally the only reason it's going to be a fight so I don't know why you glad does it would literally be stupid to use any other
@roukie6857
@roukie6857 Жыл бұрын
​@@theperfectbeing765woah calm down there buddy
@theperfectbeing765
@theperfectbeing765 Жыл бұрын
@@roukie6857 what I'm calm now ain't going to lie me seen that comment make me mad
@CerealExperimentsMizuki
@CerealExperimentsMizuki Жыл бұрын
Honestly Spural Garou is way too much for Toji, when Garou beat TTM I'd type that he's equal with Toji.
@Guy1nthecorner613
@Guy1nthecorner613 Жыл бұрын
@@CerealExperimentsMizukittm garou still smokes toji lol. Toji have zero durability feats, a counter from fwcf probably puts him on death’s door.
@_kenz_o
@_kenz_o Жыл бұрын
toji meat riders rly thought they cooked with this match up request 💀
@HackboyPlays
@HackboyPlays Жыл бұрын
They cooked Toji up instead
@PlutoEsBliss
@PlutoEsBliss Жыл бұрын
guys hi
@lordtouchme77
@lordtouchme77 Жыл бұрын
Toji vs flash/sonic are better match up compared to garou lmao.
@saurabhsinha2310
@saurabhsinha2310 Жыл бұрын
​@@lordtouchme77what wt the fuck flash or sonic will fuck toji up😂😂
@johnrenwelmauro2387
@johnrenwelmauro2387 Жыл бұрын
@@saurabhsinha2310 bro they be coping Toji can only defeat minors. bruh look at dagon he's an infant.
@abugonapugonamugonarug1653
@abugonapugonamugonarug1653 Жыл бұрын
Bruh why do people ask for this? The entirety of OPM as a verse is much stronger than most Anime verses…
@C0mb1nat0p
@C0mb1nat0p Жыл бұрын
OPM is a pretty weak verse. The only powerful achievement for now is Saitama's sneeze which destroyed 1/3 or maybe even 1/2 of Jupiter. But yes, JJK is also weak verse (there aren't even planetary level characters) and it's even weaker than OPM.
@darkmatter9643
@darkmatter9643 Жыл бұрын
@@C0mb1nat0p thats mad cap, cosmic fear garou's gamma ray burst is by far the biggest feat in one punch man, the amount of energy released by that attack approximately equals that of a supernova
@C0mb1nat0p
@C0mb1nat0p Жыл бұрын
@@darkmatter9643 That wasn't a real supernova explode. Garou didn't even destroy a planet with this attack.
@jx8903
@jx8903 Жыл бұрын
​@@C0mb1nat0pYou really forgot the Serious Punch² feat
@C0mb1nat0p
@C0mb1nat0p Жыл бұрын
@@jx8903 It didn't really destroy millions of stars as many people think. It was ehough to destroy photons to create an illusion of black hole in space. If you think this punch really was that strong then why serios punch on Jupiter's moon which was more powerful didn't destroy even solar system? Saitama and Garou weren't holding back as you remember.
@Reesemike
@Reesemike Жыл бұрын
Simple answer is Toji gets blitzed and Dogged on before he can even comprehend what happened
@somedude338
@somedude338 Жыл бұрын
toji wouldn’t even be able to sneak up on garou he can sense killing intent and it’ll be reeking off toji
@tatsujin_seiji
@tatsujin_seiji 9 ай бұрын
That would be from shibuya toji. normal toji just kills for money.
@alpejohnson491
@alpejohnson491 6 ай бұрын
​@@tatsujin_seiji😂 we just saying anything now
@daxi85
@daxi85 Жыл бұрын
This man's voice has a call and smart atmosphere around it
@windygrass9807
@windygrass9807 Жыл бұрын
I think it's just lazy voice, lol.
@Getbacktothatcomment
@Getbacktothatcomment Жыл бұрын
Ik it's as if he's blowing my back out 😫😫😫😫
@yourlocalmoron4832
@yourlocalmoron4832 Жыл бұрын
​@@Getbacktothatcommenthuh
@-S4T
@-S4T 11 ай бұрын
hold on, john pork calling...
@estebanmarco8755
@estebanmarco8755 6 ай бұрын
I love how every time you scale Garou you go over Monster Garou and Awakened Garou and say, we're not going to use him.
@alexproctor524
@alexproctor524 Жыл бұрын
Human Garou folds the verse up until ridiculous hax like infinity
@jx8903
@jx8903 Жыл бұрын
Not really, he has no way to perceive/interact with curses or exorcise them (lack of CE), Mahito can't be harmed unless you can interact with his soul and Sukuna's still there. He still claps Toji though.
@PolishSadboy
@PolishSadboy Жыл бұрын
​@@jx8903mahito domain can solo a lot characters its almost kill
@onizukasensei5321
@onizukasensei5321 Жыл бұрын
nah that is a stretch
@alexproctor524
@alexproctor524 Жыл бұрын
@@jx8903 bro light speed is a casual for S class heroes like genos and he blitzed genos while fatigued and partially monsterized, he legitimately speed blitz the whole verse
@ganeshwaarmahendran4825
@ganeshwaarmahendran4825 Жыл бұрын
​@@jx8903not entirely true since toji has zero curse energy yet still is able to perceive curses using he's five senses I'm sure garou can do the same being able to sense curse spirits before they attack and sure vase form garou sukuna neg diffs but the moment he starts evolving its all going to hell for JJK verse
@Tatale
@Tatale Жыл бұрын
Bro Toji can't even see normal Garou movments.
@Reliccontent
@Reliccontent Жыл бұрын
💀ong
@ImYahuda
@ImYahuda Жыл бұрын
This isn’t a fight, it’s bullying
@biastrafig
@biastrafig Жыл бұрын
3:30 Kenjaku didn't escape the blackhole with speed. He stopped the effects of gravity
@violentwhite0
@violentwhite0 Жыл бұрын
No, Yuki stopped herself.
@uwu.-.5873
@uwu.-.5873 Жыл бұрын
Nah gege stopped the blackhole with shitty writing
@diviction7560
@diviction7560 Жыл бұрын
@@violentwhite0 no she didnt, kenjaku countered her dying move
@thanos141
@thanos141 Жыл бұрын
​@@diviction7560kenjaku himself stated if yukis will and tengens barrier wasn't up everybody would've died, and he never countered the move he used the anti gravity system to save himself from the gravitational pull of the black hole
@Xairs_
@Xairs_ Жыл бұрын
Toji vs garou kid - toji negs Toji vs garou human(against TTmaster) - toji high diff with soul splitting katana Toji vs garou red hair - garou mid diff Any further is just a pure massacre
@veriousshifter2930
@veriousshifter2930 Жыл бұрын
Yup, but why bother putting toji against kid garou man.
@johnrenwelmauro2387
@johnrenwelmauro2387 Жыл бұрын
@@veriousshifter2930 So he stands a chance since human garou can still defeat Toji.
@klaus3724
@klaus3724 Жыл бұрын
Toji wins only against kid Garou, S2 Garou low or mid diffs Toji even with prep time as he can sense other's presence. The video already explains that the only way Toji could win is "luck".
@wisespidey
@wisespidey Жыл бұрын
I'd still say, garou wins in his human form
@miguelito9620
@miguelito9620 Жыл бұрын
bro included kid garou 💀
@donttouchmykokoropls5752
@donttouchmykokoropls5752 Жыл бұрын
Hand to hand combat? Only few in JJK can give Garou a challenge there lmao.
@dimass4031
@dimass4031 Жыл бұрын
In hand to hand human Garou negs everyone in jjk
@JewelxxetPierre
@JewelxxetPierre Жыл бұрын
His martial art literally can bully Sukuna and Gojo together at once hand to hand, few my ass they all get washed.
@donttouchmykokoropls5752
@donttouchmykokoropls5752 Жыл бұрын
@@JewelxxetPierre no need to get so aggressive my guy, if i just threw words like Garou solos JJK universe some JJK enthusiasts would roast my ass rn.
@truceism
@truceism Жыл бұрын
bro theres nobody whos getting CLOSE to garou's level with hand to hand, bros gonna legit eat anyone who tries to even touch him with their fists lol
@Walter-vq3vm
@Walter-vq3vm 11 ай бұрын
​@@donttouchmykokoropls5752 W to u mate for keeping things civil
@aetarz
@aetarz Жыл бұрын
The thing is with most of Toji's fights he doesn't go into fights against strong people without proper prep but it all depends on if he can finish the fight quick otherwise its basically a guaranteed loss.
@moodishere
@moodishere Жыл бұрын
wtf will he prep against garou LMAO
@aetarz
@aetarz Жыл бұрын
@@moodishere it was more of a general statement for all of the match ups Toji gets put up against other people in his world and others. I think Garou is a bit of an unfair one because OPM is meant to be really over the top. These anime comparisons where one has a certain rule like curse energy and one doesn’t it makes the benefits that Toji would have not matter which makes it kinda dumb it’s like with if you put someone up against a logia devil fruit user in One piece who wouldn’t have Haki because they arnt from OP would they even be able to hit the person. Like for example Kizaru against this garou would he even be able to hit Kizaru without Haki? Just makes these comparisons out of the verse a bit pointless
@Arcad1010
@Arcad1010 Жыл бұрын
⁠@@aetarzthe thing is garou is quicker. Even if we equalize stats garou has adaptability and can grow stronger battling opponents. 😅
@Kiozoh
@Kiozoh Жыл бұрын
I'm literally animating this as we speak loool
@Miriam_24434
@Miriam_24434 Жыл бұрын
Lmao as a Toji fangirl you gotta be real that garou litterally wipes the floor with tojis corpse 🤷‍♀️
@InsomniacLmao
@InsomniacLmao 11 ай бұрын
real
@trinkmeinblut
@trinkmeinblut 11 ай бұрын
Thank you man
@masterofalltrades_
@masterofalltrades_ 10 ай бұрын
wow I thought there were only cringe gojo meat girls
@entity.x
@entity.x 8 ай бұрын
Kudos, bro
@KAZ_Editz1
@KAZ_Editz1 8 ай бұрын
Thanks girl
@kodoqbesar4301
@kodoqbesar4301 Жыл бұрын
Imagine a fight between Cosmic Garou and Hogyoku Aizen (no Kyoka Suigetsu). I don't think the fight will end at all lol
@Progen1A
@Progen1A Жыл бұрын
What version of garou
@kodoqbesar4301
@kodoqbesar4301 Жыл бұрын
@@Progen1A Cosmic Garou. I should've made it more clear
@light2829
@light2829 Жыл бұрын
​@@kodoqbesar4301just edit it rn lmao
@myusername3689
@myusername3689 Жыл бұрын
From what I’ve heard, Bleach has crazy hax and galactic scaling. Cosmic Garou may or may not have ways to close the gap in hax depending on whether you think his universal flow is like a universe sized radar where any energy within a universal range is automatically within Cosmic Garou’s ability to copy.
@C0mb1nat0p
@C0mb1nat0p Жыл бұрын
Well Aizen has crazy abilitiy which allow him to erase space and time (I'm talkimg about hado №90) so he would probably one-shot Garou, but if Garou would survive and copy this, when you are right, it would be infinity battle.
@DemolitionLuvrrs
@DemolitionLuvrrs Жыл бұрын
honestly im not even upset abt ppl requesting this fight, i don’t watch jjk anymore(only watched season1) so i’ve been wondering how human garou vs toji would go and now knowing garou wins 9/10 times makes me happy.
@under_cal
@under_cal Жыл бұрын
bro watch s2 peak anime probably my anime of they year
@zedantXiang
@zedantXiang Жыл бұрын
Garou fodderizes even Gojo like bruh...
@chii9028
@chii9028 Жыл бұрын
Fodderizes the whole verse without even going Monster form 💀
@saimaCh-uw2ny
@saimaCh-uw2ny Жыл бұрын
@@chii9028 gojo solos human garou mid-diff but any more and uh yeah the JK verse is gonna be crying
@ErdemtugsC
@ErdemtugsC Жыл бұрын
@@chii9028uhh that sounds too high because of sukuna
@smallw2003
@smallw2003 11 ай бұрын
@@chii9028 Monster Garou > 20F Sukuna > Gojo > Human Garou
@chii9028
@chii9028 11 ай бұрын
@@smallw2003 good
@finlay9616
@finlay9616 Жыл бұрын
Garou would make Toji look like Tank Top Master
@PyroniumZ
@PyroniumZ Жыл бұрын
Tank Top Master actually managed to land a hit
@vivelespatat2670
@vivelespatat2670 11 ай бұрын
Tank Top Master is capable of lifting and throwing buildings as if they were made of papers. Blud alone would stat-check most of the JJK verse.
@finlay9616
@finlay9616 11 ай бұрын
@@PyroniumZ well Tank Top Master would make Toji look like my Landry. Neatly folded up.
@finlay9616
@finlay9616 11 ай бұрын
@@vivelespatat2670 Tank Top Master can throw buildings, and make Megumi's mom throw it back if they met. He'd be calling TTM Dad so quick
@anandasuriamoorthy6497
@anandasuriamoorthy6497 18 күн бұрын
Nah garou will make toji look like mumen rider 😂
@ComPare_
@ComPare_ Жыл бұрын
As much as I liked Toji, but Garou would just dog walks him
@ganeshwaarmahendran4825
@ganeshwaarmahendran4825 Жыл бұрын
Comparing opm and jjk is just unfair😭 like im sure even the top A class in opm are all either high Grade 1 or low special grade on there own.
@Thehivemindinsert
@Thehivemindinsert 10 ай бұрын
JJK caps at mountain but people compare them to multi solar systems
@gohannx95
@gohannx95 Жыл бұрын
So i have a question as to why kenjaku is getting light speed feats…when he used antigrav to counter the black hole…to me it doesn’t really add up.
@uwu.-.5873
@uwu.-.5873 Жыл бұрын
Light speed at taking backshots,just jjk fans being meat riders
@RYANARRADI
@RYANARRADI 10 ай бұрын
Fraudjo
@GuyLogen
@GuyLogen Жыл бұрын
Based on what I've seen from Toji thus far (anime), the Garou that faced Darkshine (before spiral form) would be enough to defeat Toji. Spiral Garou is already too powerful for Toji as at that point he adapted both Bang & Bombs special martial arts techniques and made them his own. Besides, scaling garou is different cause his original martial arts (water stream) is a counter type martial arts that allows him to defeat opponents who are stronger and faster than him (unless they are much much stronger & faster). So even if we sclae Toji to spiral garou level, pre-spiral Garou would still beat him because of his superior martial arts and Mahogara level adaptation and skill mastery.
@altu8590
@altu8590 Жыл бұрын
BREAKING NEWS: 2 homeless men fight, one was discombobulated, police say. But it's funny how he made it (or tried to make it) sound like it could've been close despite the title
@fusionprime241
@fusionprime241 Жыл бұрын
even human garou solos, you shoud've capped him there to make it a little closer
@kylord20001
@kylord20001 10 ай бұрын
its an interesting idea for a fight bc of their similarities even if toji is massively outclassed due to the power levels diff in the verses.
@Rviquiiio
@Rviquiiio Жыл бұрын
Garou using cursed energy is down right scary.💀
@InsomniacLmao
@InsomniacLmao 11 ай бұрын
If Garou learns Hollow Purple it's over
@iseeyouatnight3990
@iseeyouatnight3990 11 ай бұрын
@@InsomniacLmaocrazy thing is that cosmic garou can copy any technique, he copied saitama serious mode so he will definitely copy hollow purple
@InsomniacLmao
@InsomniacLmao 11 ай бұрын
@@iseeyouatnight3990 O_O
@Edorec
@Edorec 11 ай бұрын
He'd copy Hollow Purple, and make it 10000000000x more powerful.@@iseeyouatnight3990
@vivelespatat2670
@vivelespatat2670 11 ай бұрын
​@@InsomniacLmaoHollow Purple would be a garbage move strenght-wise in the OPM verse. Genos incinerating entire blocks while fighting the Mosquito Girl is strong enough to be considered a top tier attack in JJK.
@Emporio_of_Light
@Emporio_of_Light Жыл бұрын
Miwa vs King would be the battle of all time
@leschroder7773
@leschroder7773 11 ай бұрын
King is strong but miwa is another level of power. She alone is the honored one
@boundless7entity
@boundless7entity 10 ай бұрын
@@leschroder7773 kings presence disintegrates miwa's everything
@_frost_667
@_frost_667 8 ай бұрын
Truly a fight
@sahilmomin5461
@sahilmomin5461 Жыл бұрын
Well can't wait my man Garou D GOAT to be back 🫂🙌🏻
@carrier2823
@carrier2823 Жыл бұрын
Toji is really cool and I really like him, but garou is literally written to have plot armor and rise in power to ridiculous levels Edit: i didnt mean to say that garou having plot armor makes him bad or anything its just clear he was necessary for the story :/
@Napoleonic_S
@Napoleonic_S Жыл бұрын
many characters in fictions and myths were written to have plot armor, lol.
@Emiichoco
@Emiichoco Жыл бұрын
Ngl the term plot armor is so misused nowadays
@soilwadtarken
@soilwadtarken Жыл бұрын
garou has no plot armor
@1TimeTre
@1TimeTre Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t say it written to have plot armor.. You mostly misused the word plot armor.
@darkcrii
@darkcrii Жыл бұрын
he did have plot armor, wtf are yall talking about
@gokudoesnotsolo
@gokudoesnotsolo Жыл бұрын
Why is this a debate garou would blow tojis back out.......pause......he would fold em like a omelette 😂
@FireHood1324
@FireHood1324 10 ай бұрын
nice comment but why is your profile Toji 💀💀
@gokudoesnotsolo
@gokudoesnotsolo 10 ай бұрын
@@FireHood1324 cuz toji is a cool character
@noonespecialtbh
@noonespecialtbh Жыл бұрын
no one in jjk is light speed
@Trolololol123
@Trolololol123 Жыл бұрын
Sukuna and Kashimo are at least at light speed, but Toji is barely at Hypersonic speed
@noonespecialtbh
@noonespecialtbh Жыл бұрын
@@Trolololol123 they are not, if you look at the effect on the page when Kashimo is activating his EM waves, there's a clear sound effect, so the activation emits sound. Sukuna is dodging based off of the sound, even that's a bit much for him and he gets punched in the face.
@Arcad1010
@Arcad1010 Жыл бұрын
Exactly none of jjk are light speed.
@Reliccontent
@Reliccontent Жыл бұрын
@@Trolololol123Toji is supersonic+ in terms of reactions movement speed is transonic or hovering around Mach one Garou is relativistic 50-99% in human form before coming up against any class B heroes afterwards in his fight with Saitama he’s just massively faster than light
@Reliccontent
@Reliccontent Жыл бұрын
@@Arcad1010 yeah, I don’t know why so many people try to argue this gojo was painting after running to Shibuya station and only managed to deal with about 1000 transfigured humans in 5 minutes if he had lightspeed, he could’ve covered the distance in fought them all in just 1 second Gege makes it very clear that sorcerers can even die by bullets if you’re lucky enough so no ain’t nobody in JJK lightspeed they might be low end relativistic 1-10%
@jaycienlovelace3123
@jaycienlovelace3123 Жыл бұрын
Garou “ Another A class hero huh”
@Thisisalongnamerightyesitis
@Thisisalongnamerightyesitis 6 ай бұрын
Garou is like s class level
@jaycienlovelace3123
@jaycienlovelace3123 6 ай бұрын
@@Thisisalongnamerightyesitis ok then
@dweemiesdarkmount
@dweemiesdarkmount Жыл бұрын
Here's an idea that I'm very curious about. Peak High Grade Sorcerers (including Toji) vs Sukuna Sukuna vs Muzan Sukuna vs Upper Moon Demons (demon slayers) Sukuna vs the Monster Cadre (opm) Sukuna vs the hero association (excluding Tatsumaki and Blast) Gojo vs Garou (each form) Gojo vs the hero association (1v1 or all together) Gojo vs the monster cadre Meliodas vs peak Asta Ban (Seven Deadly Sins) vs Sukuna Raiden Shogun (Genshin impact) vs Sukuna Captain Yami (Black clover) vs Sukuna Captain Yami vs Muzan Samurai Jack vs Captain Yami Monster Garou vs Mahoraga Akuma vs Sukuna Yujiro Hanma vs Human Garou I dont care who wins. I just love how you explain things.
@uwu.-.5873
@uwu.-.5873 Жыл бұрын
1) Read the manga 2) Sukuna. Muzan can regen from a cell but I'm pretty sure sukuna can adapt his cleave to cleave subatomic or some bs gege pulls. Or they drag out till the sun rises because sukuna speed blitzes and DE to keep muzan from regen fully 3) Sukuna again, if he wins muzan he bodies the upper moons (they're capped below muzan) 4) Monster Cadre. Phoenix man would be enough and he isn't even part of it. And considering how each one of the monster cadre are basically mahoragas level of adaptability, gg bro 5) Sukuna high diff or MA high diff. Maybe atomic samurai/flashy + drive knight have a chance if they work together. Atomic samurai is basically sukuna but less range, more slashing. If sukuna has dismantle then he has a good chance to win. Flashy speed blitz sukuna but might do bad against his DE. Drive knight has the best chance among these few 6) Gojo fodderized up to awakened. Garou probably loses to gojo if gojo 120% + he uses UV straight away. But knowing garous adaptability gojo probably needs hollow purple ontop of that to fully finish him off, which is difficult to do after DE (but we see later that he is able to but limited times) So I'd argue gojo at his absolute max high diffs garou human-monster Garou cosmic no diffs 7) All together? So with saitama and blast? No diff. Blast likely has something against infinity, and the way Saitama works if you read the manga is he will definitely bypass infinity, not even trolling. 1v1 gojo can high diff his way up to drive knight, his main strongpoint is that infinity would be tricky to bypass. And gojos HP is also a strong contender, although I'd argue it is still a very dodgeable technique against OPM characters that move near light speeds (mach 10-15) (we do see that hollow purple moves at mach10~. Ignore the jjk meatriders that say it is ftl because its imaginary of whatever cockshit, during the fight it is obviously shown that HP takes time to reach sukuna, and hanami which is 3F max still manages to escape it (if it's ftl you cantt escape it)) Gojo against tatsumaki would be really interesting. That being said, tatsumaki would win. Low diff, she'll find it hard to bypass infinity but eventually figure out a way. She literally won against a half god being, gojo would be nothing no offense. Also her feats and abilities scale to country-planet level, her AP would be literally too much for gojo to handle, as we can see gojo doesn't have unlimited curse energy, and relies on cycles of RCT to regen his CE and CT. Tatsumaki will basically do what sukuna did, force gojo into having to focus on infinity and not use his red or HP until she bypasses it by figuring out how it works. If he does use HP she can likely stop it because she is just that broken (she can basically make gojos blue but better, and multiple). And once infinity is bypassed it is gg for fraudjo Too tired to do the rest
@HappyHikingWaterfall-ng7rw
@HappyHikingWaterfall-ng7rw 10 ай бұрын
​@uwu.-.5873 genos,bang,flashy flash,atomic and drive knight all neg sukuna....being massively faster than him not letting him even have a chance to use DE
@HappyHikingWaterfall-ng7rw
@HappyHikingWaterfall-ng7rw 10 ай бұрын
​@@uwu.-.5873also monster garou negs the verse..
@thebeyonder8814
@thebeyonder8814 Жыл бұрын
I think the base garou that we see not using water stream rock smashing fist vs golden ball and spring mustachio would be a 50/50. I thought that would be your comparision.
@hypeboi3
@hypeboi3 Жыл бұрын
Theres littery a dude i saw was making a teaser for his up coming garou vs toji animation
@qwerty_death9242
@qwerty_death9242 Жыл бұрын
Toji gone turn into the apple logo again if they fought😂
@alpejohnson491
@alpejohnson491 6 ай бұрын
Bro he's gonna be shredded paper with wins cutting fist
@La-Pata
@La-Pata 7 ай бұрын
hell,we didnt even need a video,garou claps
@JOHNPHILLIPBERTIZBINAMIRA
@JOHNPHILLIPBERTIZBINAMIRA Жыл бұрын
Can you do a video about Toji vs S class heroes
@Reliccontent
@Reliccontent Жыл бұрын
😂no he’s not beating any of them💀
@Cope690
@Cope690 Жыл бұрын
@@Reliccontenteven mumen rider solos (webcomic)
@Maximus-tv7wb
@Maximus-tv7wb 6 ай бұрын
What do you have against the toji💀
@SunHyperion
@SunHyperion 11 ай бұрын
toji is in a vase of ashes now
@richardnixon2587
@richardnixon2587 Жыл бұрын
Warou slams in thr first episode he appears in
@FrogmanhatesQibli
@FrogmanhatesQibli Жыл бұрын
wario isn't that strong
@valstraxfan2000
@valstraxfan2000 Жыл бұрын
@@FrogmanhatesQibli cant wait for some mario fan to just disclose somehow that wario is somehow boundless lol 😭
@Judge_of_hell
@Judge_of_hell 5 ай бұрын
@@FrogmanhatesQibli wario will use his ass to bounce him into space
@Josse404
@Josse404 Жыл бұрын
im mad this is even a conversation, like who really thought toji would have a chance with garu
@Bensylph
@Bensylph Жыл бұрын
Garou would slap the living daylight out of toji
@yazzy3177
@yazzy3177 Жыл бұрын
nah toji faster and stronger
@marcosgaming2095
@marcosgaming2095 Жыл бұрын
Very delusional shit​@@yazzy3177
@FyodorDostoyevsky-kx3si
@FyodorDostoyevsky-kx3si Жыл бұрын
​​​​@@yazzy3177can he deflect full round massively hypersonic+ minigun, while having fever after kicked by saitama and has 2 poison arrow stuck in his back?
@persisted
@persisted Жыл бұрын
@@FyodorDostoyevsky-kx3si massively hypersonic+ minigun*
@FyodorDostoyevsky-kx3si
@FyodorDostoyevsky-kx3si Жыл бұрын
​​@@persistedthank you for your correction
@Gigachadeditzz
@Gigachadeditzz Жыл бұрын
Another Banger keep it up
@llamathecooldude691
@llamathecooldude691 Жыл бұрын
Cosmic Garou: alright let’s fight- Toji: 💀 Cosmic Garou: 😑
@chii9028
@chii9028 Жыл бұрын
Only needs human form to pack Toji up easily
@i_forgor_whar
@i_forgor_whar 10 ай бұрын
"Something's off." ... "Something's off...." ... "No, this is fine." *fucking dies*
@DoctorBones1
@DoctorBones1 10 ай бұрын
literally lmao the cosmic radiation he emits would absolutely kill toji
@MathematicaAdvanced
@MathematicaAdvanced Ай бұрын
Radiation and BAM fr
@seanking4351
@seanking4351 Жыл бұрын
This match is so one sided I never had a thought about this match up. This is like putting up the Punisher against Goku.
@scientist368
@scientist368 Жыл бұрын
Even Human Garou solos JJK.
@smallw2003
@smallw2003 11 ай бұрын
Human Garou has no anti-infinity hax but any other version negs everyone
@scientist368
@scientist368 10 ай бұрын
@@smallw2003 dude Garou is so fast compared to Gojo that Gojo wouldn't even have time to think to use that shet
@smallw2003
@smallw2003 10 ай бұрын
@@scientist368 Infinity is permanent
@scientist368
@scientist368 10 ай бұрын
@@smallw2003 not it's not. He has to use his domain.
@smallw2003
@smallw2003 10 ай бұрын
@@scientist368 If you meant "Infinite Void", then yes he must use a domain expansion. However, "Infinity" is a permanent technique that makes him impossible to hit through conventional means. Human Garou can't get through it so Gojo is effectively Immortal causing a stalemate, although higher forms of garou can kill him
@Cipher_Paul
@Cipher_Paul Жыл бұрын
1:50 those are rubber bullets, they go at about 60 m/s according to Accelerator Academy. So this calc was just done horribly wrong. It shouldn't put Maki above the speed of sound. People just forget that they are rubber bullets and, not only that, the one Maki caught was created from cursed energy by Mai, so it may have been even slower. So Maki catching a bullet isn't inconsistant with any of the “speed of sound” or “mach 3” statements in the manga. Although, Gege did apparently say that her catching the bullet may have been a bit much.
@Cipher_Paul
@Cipher_Paul Жыл бұрын
Also, Sukuna reacted to Kashimo himself, not the electromagnetic wave that he then fired.
@Cipher_Paul
@Cipher_Paul Жыл бұрын
Kenjaku cancelled the black hole with his anti-gravity cursed technique. It was literally explained. Jjk fans really have a low reading comprehension.
@bromous1446
@bromous1446 Жыл бұрын
Human garou slams toji. I think he should stick to fighting students, when the adults come out, Toji don’t want the smoke😂😂😂
@UniqueEdit2
@UniqueEdit2 2 ай бұрын
This video literally still in high quality while me in 360p
@uwantdamoney1643
@uwantdamoney1643 Жыл бұрын
Naobito DOES NOT scale to Kashimo, Naobito was only the second fastest alive, while kashimo is arguably one of the fastest ever
@chii9028
@chii9028 Жыл бұрын
Literally the Lightning God
@beaneyguy3815
@beaneyguy3815 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, kashimo lasted like 2 chapters though before he got put on a T-shirt
@alluvialfork4119
@alluvialfork4119 10 ай бұрын
What type of match up is this, TOJI IS COOKED 💀🙏
@RethzelDWave
@RethzelDWave Жыл бұрын
I liked Garou way before I started watch JJK, but now after watching JJK I like toji more but it doesn't change the fact that Garou negs tye entire verse (Cosmic Garou to bypass Infinity)
@saveme24646
@saveme24646 Жыл бұрын
Bro you need to make a video about Gojo vs Garou. I just read some couple of people replies in another video arguing about it. It's getting out of hand. 💀💀
@idklulw7085
@idklulw7085 10 ай бұрын
It aint even funny how one sided Garou vs Toji would be. Opm verse itself is just broken 💀
@VegitoandZamasu
@VegitoandZamasu 7 ай бұрын
I don’t even think Toji can even beat human Garou
@silvertongue.242_99
@silvertongue.242_99 Жыл бұрын
People seriously think toji slaps jotaro when he just doesn't
@cheemsburger3184
@cheemsburger3184 Жыл бұрын
It can go both ways but im betting on toji slightly more
@Reliccontent
@Reliccontent Жыл бұрын
Star platinum Acts instinctively Toji doesn’t have the speed to keep up with anything close to star platinum and additionally, Jotoro can just stop time💀 Jotaro wins easily
@C0mb1nat0p
@C0mb1nat0p Жыл бұрын
Star Platinum can attack at the speed of light (it was said in Stone Ocean). He would make millions of punches in 5 seconds of time-stop. Even if Toji and human Garou would fight against Jotaro together he would easily win
@cheemsburger3184
@cheemsburger3184 Жыл бұрын
@@C0mb1nat0p um no
@C0mb1nat0p
@C0mb1nat0p Жыл бұрын
@@cheemsburger3184 um yes one time-stop and two donuts
@memelord7643
@memelord7643 9 ай бұрын
Next video idea and its an intresting one why yujiro vs toji isnt close and no joke this is an actuall discused match up
@Maximus-tv7wb
@Maximus-tv7wb 6 ай бұрын
Didn't yujiro stop an earthquake with a punch? If so toji gets slammed
@memelord7643
@memelord7643 6 ай бұрын
@@Maximus-tv7wb yeah he did
@Maximus-tv7wb
@Maximus-tv7wb 6 ай бұрын
@@memelord7643 well then yeah it ain't much of a fight in my opinion
@memelord7643
@memelord7643 6 ай бұрын
Tbh yeah ive also tried saying that but of course the toji stans said the hevanly restriction and his cursed techniqes im like i guess that could be a factor
@Maximus-tv7wb
@Maximus-tv7wb 6 ай бұрын
@@memelord7643 bro isn't there light speed feats in Baki?
@PC2Niloticus
@PC2Niloticus Жыл бұрын
Garou is like a human mahoraga but on steroids, even if toji camps garou will just get stronger mid fight and just beat the shit out of him like he does to everyone
@nothimfrfr1
@nothimfrfr1 11 ай бұрын
I think toji would do some flashy stuff but end up getting headshotted by a rock
@SamBurce69
@SamBurce69 Жыл бұрын
Even human garou can deafeat him, because pre training Saitama can😅
@Fala_Valentine
@Fala_Valentine 5 ай бұрын
Idk y ppl are comparing Mahoraga to Monster/cosmic Garou, Adaptation is only as useful by the time you a given, it doesn't matter if you're adaptions to fights are on god level if your opponent just one shots you which the ability to adapt becomes irrelevant in a fight between the 2 (Basically Adaptation vs Power).
@MaterialManPlayz
@MaterialManPlayz Жыл бұрын
who suggested this
@SoothingMusic883
@SoothingMusic883 Жыл бұрын
a 1 braincell amoeba
@adamant2239
@adamant2239 9 ай бұрын
@@SoothingMusic883 a.k.a jjk powerscalers
@Notkryo
@Notkryo 9 ай бұрын
​@@adamant2239Fraudji Bumshiguro fans*
@Walter-vq3vm
@Walter-vq3vm 11 ай бұрын
Lots of OPM characters have hax and potential but lack power while in the jjk it's rare to find hax and potential characters but they make it up with their strength and power
@ZaneCold
@ZaneCold 11 ай бұрын
You forgot something my friend. Toji gets a 5000% increase in strength against teenagers
@kanviniyam
@kanviniyam Жыл бұрын
Even if garou gets stabbed in the back and the second garou moves it's over for toji
@Logicalreasoner99
@Logicalreasoner99 Жыл бұрын
Why don’t you do sukuna va human garou next?
@Cope690
@Cope690 Жыл бұрын
I’ll do you one better , monster garou vs sukuna
@chii9028
@chii9028 Жыл бұрын
@@Cope690 Low-end Red Hair Garou could toy with 100% Heian Era Sukuna 💀
@RYANARRADI
@RYANARRADI 10 ай бұрын
@@chii9028na😊
@myusername3689
@myusername3689 10 ай бұрын
@@RYANARRADIHeian Sukuna barely has any FTL feats and red hair Garou is out here dodging Orochi who blitzed a light dodging Awakened Cockroach.
@RYANARRADI
@RYANARRADI 10 ай бұрын
@@myusername3689 fr Jjk fans tweaking
@elineroebersfan
@elineroebersfan Жыл бұрын
I legit thought that was Gojo and not Garou in the thumbnail lol
@Rap-Slinger
@Rap-Slinger Жыл бұрын
I knew Garou would win because toji is nowhere near light speed but he's still my favorite character
@archflamingo9156
@archflamingo9156 Жыл бұрын
bro you need to do more cross verse battles your voice fits so well can you do zoro vs genos next
@snivydream
@snivydream Жыл бұрын
My brother in Christ, Geno's could blast a country
@C0mb1nat0p
@C0mb1nat0p Жыл бұрын
Zoro is many times faster, but Genos can destroy a mountain with a single punch and easily blow up a huge island with a single blast. I think Genos is stronger just because of his destructive capacity which is much higher than 99% of One Piece characters have.
@archflamingo9156
@archflamingo9156 Жыл бұрын
@@snivydream zoro can tank large country attacks that’s nothing
@archflamingo9156
@archflamingo9156 Жыл бұрын
@@C0mb1nat0p zoro sliced a mountain level character in the beginning of post ts
@stovejeebs1162
@stovejeebs1162 Жыл бұрын
@@C0mb1nat0p how is zoro faster? Doesn't boros move at like almost light speed aint no way that zoro is faster
@Slimfahire
@Slimfahire Жыл бұрын
I think garou got lucky with metal bat at the end of their fight so it’s never been confirmed which would win
@mayonessa.
@mayonessa. Жыл бұрын
The author confirmed that Garou would've died had Metal Bat landed that hit. Garou himself states that Metal Bat screwed his chance right there.
@AndrewsMobs
@AndrewsMobs Жыл бұрын
If Garou wasn't distracted he would win
@blurr_727
@blurr_727 10 ай бұрын
i like how u try to use versions of the characters to make the fight as even possible rather than just saying that garou would shitstomp the whole verse
@d_rpyz
@d_rpyz Жыл бұрын
garou solos the verse
@aljunaidbaunto3808
@aljunaidbaunto3808 Жыл бұрын
This is not even a debate
@asurabehemoth2467
@asurabehemoth2467 Жыл бұрын
Jjk has a good story? Whaaaaaat? The action is good, the story is mid.
@Shiniri-Kiwi
@Shiniri-Kiwi Ай бұрын
Better than demon slayer imo
@Poopy_EDITZ
@Poopy_EDITZ Жыл бұрын
so pretty much we are debating garous weakest form vs tojis strongest form? 💀💀
@venomshot2815
@venomshot2815 Жыл бұрын
Even with prep time and luck, garou's persistence would clap toji. He got slashed by the bladehands and was fine
@RedLights9000-f3l
@RedLights9000-f3l Жыл бұрын
Garou was going to die if metal bat sister didn't stop her brother in other words garou can't sense people if Toji had prep time and tried a sneak attack with the soul cutting sword he would kill garou
@venomshot2815
@venomshot2815 Жыл бұрын
@@RedLights9000-f3l that was pumped up metal bat, and garou did react, just not fast enough. It comes down to luck if garou would trust his 6th sense or not
@RedLights9000-f3l
@RedLights9000-f3l Жыл бұрын
@@venomshot2815 "did react just not fast enough" literally means he was going to get hit because he didn't react fast enough and not just metal bat 1-Tank top Master also punched him off guard 2- Orochi also captured him off guard 3- he was caught off guard by golden ball with a slingshot 4- blast send him to another dimension off guard
@venomshot2815
@venomshot2815 Жыл бұрын
@@RedLights9000-f3l he got much stronger since the TTM fight, and in that fight he didn't even try to dodge at the beginning. it's revealed he couldn't react to golden ball because his eyes didn't adjust to the darkness as later he literally reacted to 20 golden balls bouncing all over. Orochi is FTL so it doesn't apply. Blast is MFTL+ so that doesn't apply either
@vectorrondon5852
@vectorrondon5852 Жыл бұрын
@@venomshot2815who’s to say OPM characters even HAVE souls?
@fireandpower7815
@fireandpower7815 4 ай бұрын
Did the subscribe button get a rainbow effect for anyone else when he said “subscribe”? 0:34
@thorsndergaardjespersen6897
@thorsndergaardjespersen6897 7 ай бұрын
Bro really just went ''with prep time''
@mastersupernova29
@mastersupernova29 6 күн бұрын
The way community works, Toji would just challenge Garou as a training sequence for Garou benefit. He has a son Garou’s age. Toji does Jujutsu and Garou does Taijutsu. Coincidence?
@Deelcoba
@Deelcoba 6 ай бұрын
Bro this isn’t a fight no more man😭😭🙏🙏
@velannadar5581
@velannadar5581 Жыл бұрын
Bro please make upper moons vs eren yeager founder( this is one of the debatable topic )
@raeeljarrar4767
@raeeljarrar4767 11 ай бұрын
To be honest they would make great freinds if they were to meet eachother
@BaldHeaven
@BaldHeaven 11 ай бұрын
0:29 to 0:31 was damn cool 🗿🔥
@DreamNeverFound
@DreamNeverFound 11 ай бұрын
yea matching!
@zeoxyc.
@zeoxyc. 11 ай бұрын
speed o sonic vs toji next please
@rickastleymg
@rickastleymg 2 ай бұрын
Garou is not even needed... Tatsumaki ALMOST solo the JJK vers3 (Sukuna might win against Tatsumaki)
@evronian1129
@evronian1129 Жыл бұрын
What about Garou vs the whole verse? Like, what if he hero hunter everyone?
@carcarus_plays57
@carcarus_plays57 Жыл бұрын
Also adding on to the AP for garou, you said that tank top master could throw buildings but you also cant forget that fubuki used her power to heighten Tank Top Masters strength, endurance etc etc. Don't take my word for it but that's how i remember the manga to be.
@carcarus_plays57
@carcarus_plays57 Жыл бұрын
Adding on to that as well, the only reason hammerheads disciple took down that building was because of a suit that hammerhead stole from a government testing facility. It wasn't actually raw strength
@z-ero
@z-ero 11 ай бұрын
No she didn't. TankTop assumed she buffed him but she herself was confused and said she didn't even do a thing, that was TankTop master's pure raw strength.
@carcarus_plays57
@carcarus_plays57 11 ай бұрын
@@z-ero Ohh mb. I tried going back into the chapters to find it to be more accurate but theres so many i just gave up. Thats why i said dont take my word for it but thanks👍
@Mentaliced
@Mentaliced 3 ай бұрын
14:27 If we are talking about human form only, Garou fought there as a half-monster (a.k.a spiral garou). For me, Toji could easily defeat Human Garou due to his strength.
@jesuspernia8031
@jesuspernia8031 8 ай бұрын
To make this fair you’re gonna have to cap this at human Garou only
@tienluong9648
@tienluong9648 Жыл бұрын
9th attempt of spamming request for Genos vs Schwi(NGNL) I’m really feeling the despair crawling inside me...
@Reliccontent
@Reliccontent Жыл бұрын
Bro what 💀 that’s unfair if we’re talking about Swhici she’s multi continental, has portal manipulation, matter manifestation, advance calculations, and generally just scales above Genos I’m not gonna sit here, and say Genos is Fodder but she would win between the two stories no game no life is my favorite. Actually, it is my favorite anime entertainment wise and considering all the feats we get from swhici it’s safe to assume that Genos doesn’t really stand a chance against a motivated Swhici that was able to contest Jabril in fact you could even argue that she was holding back it specifically, because she was instructed not to kill
@tienluong9648
@tienluong9648 Жыл бұрын
@@Reliccontent ok, I'm still spamming it tho
@Reliccontent
@Reliccontent Жыл бұрын
5:19 yeah, that’s very stupid see they’re painting on a canvas it does not mean that it actually exist also, the biggest domain is Sukuna’s is as far as we know and it’s only 400 m in diameter which is a quarter of a mile and not big enough to classify as an island. Dagon’s domain should be considerably smaller than this as he scales below sukuna who uses a binding Vow that allows people to escape, but increases its effective range.
@PyroniumZ
@PyroniumZ Жыл бұрын
Domains at the size of islands but Kenjaku commented that guns should be used against sorcerers. Isnt that funny
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