Why Valorant Will Never Beat Counter Strike | ohnePixel Reacts

[@squrebox]

Bro in the video was comparing graphics and OhnePixel was just like “THATS A REALLY NICE AK"

[@mykuronekocantbethiscute]

Lmao😂😂😂

[@Ketillo17]

The main thing I dislike about Valorant is the fact that I can't pick which maps i'm playing. I love that about cs. Also, I feel like movement is much more fluid in csgo than in valorant(I mean when walking/running, i'm not taking abilities into account.) For me the main problem csgo had was that most people had lost a little bit of the will to play it, but with cs2 hype, player count is higher than ever. Both are good games imo, so just play whichever you prefer.

[@TheDeividas3]

the lost of will to play comes from players who have played the game for a lot of years and still didn't managed to get better and when you are the one always carrying and losing it doesn't feel good man. (talking about faceit btw)

[@zihaoli6784]

BRo the biggest thing that make me doesn't like val is whenever we trying take down a site, there is like over 10 diffenent skills cover the whole site like I am playing league of lengends

[@furyboltmine6286]

Valorant community is far more toxic than csgo just take the L already and join the csgo hive mind

[@zihaoli6784]

@@furyboltmine6286 I'll say I played valorant since the beta test and community is getting way more toxic than before even in high elo rank.

[@da-cd3pi]

@@zihaoli6784 play slow, play mid

[@thatjosiahburns]

Valorant is such a good game whenever I'm on the winning team.

[@gooduser111]

sure

[@leolv520]

I just caree about top frag and win

[@absinteta6610]

That's every game

[@runek100]

I just play valorant to frag out. Most of valorant players have dogshit mechanics, so its ez to dominate. Great game after having fat blunt.

[@dazk5317]

I loved valorant in the beggining, was a breath of fresh air. CS was full of cheaters and it was getting boring, but goddamn i've never seen a case of "more is less" in my life than in valorant, every single new map and agent are fucking atrocious and ruining the game its crazy

[@angus5427]

People who think Valo has more tactical depth don't understand the tactics of CS.

[@franzzzz1353]

@@angus5427 Why is that?

[@tenxgs]

I like that they keep the game fresh with new agents and maps unlock cs but literally none of the new maps or agents in the past year have been good

[@HutoCS2]

just like they did with league new champs=ruining game

[@jswitch3005]

​@@angus5427 The complexity comes from the gamesense and high level team play. Valo also has this but we also take in mind alot more shit as the vid said "agents and abilities". I still prefer cs tho ngl but cs is def simpler than valo but its not by any means a simple game.

[@0xZuwu]

Both games must exist, healthy competition breeds innovation and innovation means gamers everywhere eat good 🔥

[@minihalkoja590]

Counter Strike doesn't need "innovation" at the moment. The gameplay has been pretty much the same since the '90s. Simplicity works in it's favor.

[@1nterzept661]

@@minihalkoja590 We've seen that with Team Fortress 2 and look where it got. CS still needs innovation even if it's an old game. Without innovation, we would have been playing 1.6.

[@danielusoltsev9912]

@@minihalkoja590 yea no, if it remained always the same Cs would be dead by now, and the only reason it still alive is because of the cases and trading system. Valorant in terms of gameplay is way better, u can literally do whatever u want because of how many roles there are. And as an Esports fan I really enjoy Pro games since things always change not like cs where everything stays the same, same angle holding and strat

[@rockinryguy7]

I agree, didn’t valve only start working on CS2 because of Valorant?

[@raiiinnych.4439]

Tell that to the TF2 AND ow2 communities 💀

[@snrgel5091]

That video hurts me as a gamer: i have 2.7k hrs in cs and 1.2k in valorant and i love both and valorant is a really good game. riot did a good job of refreshing the cs concept and making it more beginner friendly. I also find, that utility gets way cooler and better the better you get at the game, since you can do so much with it. Hating one game because youve never played it for a extended period of time is stupid

[@Noelle727]

Btw how do you check hours in Val curious

[@ETERNITY34]

This is happen when you became the dog of nostalgia.

[@brycey.]

@@ETERNITY34 what?

[@lukasg4807]

I've only seen valorant from rankdle, but it looks so BS. People just teleport behind you when you're holding an angle, the entire site becomes a green fog like a horror game, people have Hanzo's sonic arrow. It's fun in a fast paced game like Overwatch or TF2 but in a "tactical shooter" it just seems so fucking cancer. Regardless I'm never going to try out Valorant with their chinese kernel level anti-cheat that runs on startup.

[@brycey.]

@@lukasg4807 you cant say shit like that without playing the game, youre making it sound a lot worse than it actually is

[@whoisdyl5486]

Valorant’s biggest hater 😭

[@TurtLKiller]

No me

[@TurtLKiller]

Wait nevermind

[@Nwfmajor]

@@TurtLKiller bro had a identity crisis

[@TurtLKiller]

@Nwf major no, now I hate val more

[@vample9656]

@@TurtLKiller double switch up

[@BreadboiEVA01]

for TF2 the bot thing is a bit confusing because at one point valve did get rid of a majority of the bots by fucking up their cheats but tbh I havent really see a bot in a casual match in TF2 in a while lol every time there is one it usually gets kicked xd (but I still hear people talk about the bots so I dont know if its completely gone or not xd)

[@noz_fx]

No esport has ever "killed" another esport, it's not a thing.

[@leopardomano]

CS2 about to kill csgo

[@filetmignon9978]

@@leopardomano so itself? cs2 isnt a new game lol, its litearlly just an update to csgo

[@houseking9211]

overwatch killed itself by being shit

[@devlama1230]

Brawl Buster, Monday night combat and Gigantica. I miss them but TF2 deserves the W

[@arkyudetoo9555]

The only thing that can kill an esport game is the game itself. I guess I've been watching too much death of a game series but it makes a lot of sense. Also, overwatch killed itself.

[@TheDan2017]

I like the fact that after 5 rounds you can surrender as a team instead of wasting 45-50 mins with people you just don’t get along with. Sometimes you just don’t click

[@BaconFTW]

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[@logi-operations]

The problem is people don't understand that if they don't want to learn utility and strategy around it that doesn't make the game bad. If i play CSGO and dislike the movment I won't say that CSGO is bad, I'll say that I don't like CSGO. Same with Valorant; I enjoy learning utility and learning strategy so I would obviously say it's a good game, other people who dislike it either have studied the game properly and disliked it (which is a fair opinion) or they haven't studied it and simply say that utility gives unfair advantages. The point is, if you don't like it, YOU don't like it, that doesn't make the game bad. There are people who do like the game and so they study/play it.

[@camerondelandro83]

as someone who peaked at radiant in val and learnt all the agents and even played in the vct quals and tried to amke a team etc, valorant is boring, overstimulating and straight up garbage. over time i can see many many people coming to this conclusion. im someone with over 2000 hours in val and around 8000 in cs so i think i can have a fair opinion on the 2 games. also the valorant community is straight up awful its just a bunch of mentally ill teenagers who wanna fuck each other.

[@chococo1447]

I would rather play apex

[@christopherstein2024]

@@chococo1447 Obviously Minecraft is the superior fps.

[@hyperbounder9249]

@@christopherstein2024 Bro u trippin, stronghold on top in fps genre

[@wallacekgames2266]

I agree with that largely, I do however think there are a lot of flaws in valorant. The economy system is deeply flawed, equal opportunities for each side despite unequal power of attacking and defending, every gun having the same kill reward makes it so pistol round decides the entire half and it's impossible to gain momentum since the jett with an op, is considered to be working equally hard for the kill as you with a stinger. Economically, force buying rarely happens, it's only eco or full buy because there's very little reason to buy mid price guns unless the balance makes them for some reason better than the staple rifles.

[@GH0STvalNOR]

I agree, Valorant and Counter Strike isn't a war in my opinion, its just two awfully similar games that are absolutely amazing in their own ways

[@BaconFTW]

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[@CSmtValValonotcool]

I wonder why

[@StonekingHD]

Bro every shooter is somehow a copy of the first Doom (first shooter)

[@Jason-or4qy]

Every piece of technology is a copy of IMB’s first concept

[@tomasramos3567]

What about the og wolfenstein

[@toiletpaper3487]

bro the earth is just a copy of Kepler-62f

[@Take_this_please]

​@Tomas Ramos wolfenstein only set the table for shooters. Id software took their 3d engine from wolf 3d and made doom 93. Which is superior in every way to wolf 3d. Popularity and design. Same situation as Demons Soul to Dark Souls, or Street Fighter 1 to Street Fighter 2. First game sets the table for design, then next game basically catapults into video game popularity

[@login98]

Somehow you are just a copy of your dad

[@nilboboggins]

a lot of people will say valorant sucks but they’re right

[@mercifull6413]

Your comment isn't making sense, my guy

[@nilboboggins]

@@mercifull6413 makes perfect sense to me

[@thorstenschmidt877]

w take

[@manemisdonmalasnemissalata6324]

Lmao

[@mohammadosman1474]

@@mercifull6413 how doesn't it make sense to you lmao its plain English???????

[@cloke3076]

As a player of both of these games on which I’ve spent a little more than a decade of my life, I can safely say: These both suck but still has their own good things. Play whichever you like more. HL Deathmatch is GOAT

[@TederbyKazuhiko]

based

[@rocket117]

Shout outs hl DM and fuck Y0LA

[@paulapenoREAL]

valorant hasn't even been out for a decade. so unless your a time traveler i'm assuming you smoke crack

[@ryancganim]

You sound like the kind of guy that never buys an ak and choose an mp7 instead. Cs is one of the best videogame we ever made, what you have to say is bullshit. Get good.

[@jswitch3005]

as a player of both games n has grinded and reach high levels/ranks on both games. I personally prefer CSGO, as the video said valo was only fun for like a few months. CS is still a classic even without the friends you made back then. I'd spend more hours chilling in cs than in valo

[@proverbialking3452]

I prefer Valorant to CS but CS has an edge on longevity. Since its mechanics never change or atleast don't change too drastically, you can boot up the game after a year long hiatus, and after shaking off the rusty aim, you can get back into the groove of things. Your pop flashes work the same. The lineups work the same. The movement stays the same. In valorant in that year of hiatus, suddenly your favourite agent has been nerfed to the ground. And a totally new agent has been introduced that everyone insta locks, failing which they deque so they can try insta locking again. Both games are absolute blast. And I don't understand the amount of gatekeeping both sides of the competition do. What's the point?

[@ilovespeedqb]

val is shit

[@pescator]

what I don't like about valorant is the excessive amount of abilities and the fact that you need a meta "comp" to have a better chance at winning. In cs it's a lot simpler, you just need to know what you're doing. In valorant, I get a random map i didnt choose that I hate, have to play an ass character i dont want to play cause that's what the team comp need and I have to somehow figure out how to maximize the playstyle of the character i didnt even wanna play in the first place. If everyone had to play the same agent or if the agents were a lot similar and there wasnt roles like OW i think i would enjoy it more

[@cybel4820]

Instalock reyna, imagine filling

[@cybel4820]

@@mangarealm242 forgor part bout plant'n'defuse thats the biggest thing that makes those games similar and people argue

[@cybel4820]

Also i just read that comment more carefully and i must say, that you dont need the comp to win, comps can help you win thats for sure, but for that you need a smth called team, you wont have that there unless u have 5stack, real comps come in the play when people know what they doing, i support instalocking, just not duelists fuck duelists and roles actually force you to chose smth in ow from a selection of specific heros and in valo its just the category and the role of the hero and i think it keeps somewhat concistant and makes agents more similar since they fill the role in this specific way

[@sneeki8082]

without the abilities,it isnt valorant anymore

[@houseking9211]

Purely gameplay wise, nothing about visuals or gunplay/movenment, the thing that puts cs above valorant is that the things you work on, lineups, execs, set strats, etc, will always be viable and something you can lean on. In valorant they change the game constantly to the point where something you took time learning becomes obsolete or worthless. With cs the things you work on take longer, but last longer. It's like working on a god pick with mending vs constantly making diamond pickaxes, sure you can do the later easier, but it isn't permanent, and will never feel as good

[@desertchaos3772]

so changing meta is bad and game should stall for at least 10 years?

[@joehicks929]

i actually dont even know what your trying to say here? like what lineups, execs or set strats in valo have becomes obsolete? the only time thats true is with map updates i guess?

[@shuhei9571]

​@Desert Chaos the only thing I hate about league after about 6 years of playing is just how often they drop terrible changes and how slow they are to fix them. same thing transferred over to valorant with the entire chamber meta

[@tidier5743]

​@@desertchaos3772smartest cs player

[@aziimiimax6684]

he forgot the main reason, which is the community and the fact that people grew up with this game

[@lefunghi6151]

The problem is not that there are many characters in Valorant, it is the lack of depth. The abilities do not interact with each other in a meaningful way, unlike the smoke, nade and molotov thing that adds a second layer to the utility. It’s flashy and fun on first sight, but doesn’t have the staying power and intricacy cs has.

[@halo_582]

unfortunately they do interact

[@minihalkoja590]

​@@halo_582Valorant looks like a pool but its depth is that of a puddle. You try to dive in head first, and you won't go far. Counter strike looks like a puddle, but it's as deep as a lake.

[@lefunghi6151]

@@halo_582 which ones and how?

[@Jeregolnumber9]

@@lefunghi6151 tarik also said cs is a good game but you will get bored of it because there are not a lot of stuff you can do in cs, but in valorant you can play a lot of agents with different abilities so you won't get bored of it easily.

[@not.shinex]

@@lefunghi6151its more about combos than interacting

[@fanto860]

Bots are gone from tf2, Valve actually dealt with them

[@crackatouille6457]

No the fuck they aren't

[@gtgpotato8059]

they're not all gone... id say about 10% are left and pretty much all play on 2fort, Harvard and HighTower.

[@veraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

@@gtgpotato8059 genuinley havent seen a bot in a bit but one had a soundboard too seem real so it would say shit in vc with someones voice

[@coelho3942]

as a very active tf2 bots are NOT gone

[@fanto860]

@@coelho3942 As someone who plays daily, yes they are

[@mrjoebsoto]

The biggest problems I hope they are fixing is the hackers, ticks and ranking system. The ranks are so out of place right now, server/hit box latency, and hackers are easily present in a lot of games (unless you deny it). I know that those can be fixed, as well as faster servers. Valorant has 128tick servers, and here valve is making bank off of micro transactions but is acting like the tick problem is fixed with “subticks”. Well, hopefully it lives up to their marketing, cause I really need to hop off of valorant and onto cs again.

[@mihaidumitrescu0419]

micro transactions? sorry valorant is the one who has to pay to get some flashes or smokes lol

[@ТарасГоврас]

valorant doesn’t even have 128 tick, it’s always lower than 128 and its dynamic, it can drop to 100 depending what happens on map

[@granathd]

@@mihaidumitrescu0419 huh

[@mihaidumitrescu0419]

@@granathd you can't have a flash cuz you have to pay for a certain character

[@granathd]

@@mihaidumitrescu0419 pay for what character? You dont have to pay for any character you unlock them by playing the game. And one of the starting characters is a flash character, you can literally play as him in your first game, so stop spreading lies. Hell one of the most used and best smoke characters is also one of the starting characters.

[@PoprostuMati607]

Imagine this guy's reaction when he finds out that cs weapon design has been "stolen" from real life.

[@Caspeaon]

one thing you cant knock is how much they update valorant. We dont know when were going to get EVEN ONE MORE NEW MAP in cs, and valorant has a road map and a consistent release schedule.

[@ododm1]

You know, everyone's bias in this take. I have many hours on both games and I can truly say that Csgo players and Valorant players are their own separate takes on the different gameplay, game mechanics, graphics, movement, and so much more. In cs, more movement is involved and you'd need a sharp eye as there are no player tracers unlike Valorant. In Valorant, there are more ability mechanics which people in counter strike may like or hate. This debate cannot be settled as there are always two sides that will constantly come up with a reason why x is better than y.

[@byakugan641]

This needs to be kept in mind. Both have their charming points. I play both and I love them all.

[@manemisdonmalasnemissalata6324]

Cs is so toxic in game but gives effort ingame (4 vs 5? No problem), while valorant surrenders on a round 1 loss

[@PhatTran-nw9ri]

Have you ever heard the 9-3 curse in Valorant?😂😂 are you even play Valorant? Both game need gives effort thought so no cap.

[@manemisdonmalasnemissalata6324]

@@PhatTran-nw9ri if your gonna play the game play the game, if your gonna believe in bed time story curse just stay playing minecraft, comeback is only possible in csgo the way you put it as if the valorant rio major was not won by it. I guess some of valorant players are fragile people. I played both games dummy ass and my first comment is just reality put into words due to most valorant players quitting just after a round of playing.

[@zanaavn2491]

Skill issue 🎉

[@protectev]

- guy who probably has 1 hour on valorant

[@manemisdonmalasnemissalata6324]

@@protectev -guy who can read minds through comments

[@rttracy]

it is stupid to ever think that in a hero shooter type game that learning about each character’s abilities is bothersome… if you hate abilities then don’t play any hero shooter, that’s the whole basis of those game

[@dexrex1014]

Ong I played valorant at first bc it was much more simpler and the graphics looked “better”. abilities was something new and sounded way better than just what csgo offered….then after a while you really start to hate the abilities the characters get annoying and the dog maps they keep making only makes it worse.

[@kwoltekublai3337]

yeah maps made and refined over what an average of what 10 years minimum for D2 Mirage Train Inferno Cache Nuke Cobble and initially picked out of a large pool of options in the context of community interest in map making vs some random design you can't compare, tbh its night and day.

[@Scopifey]

Tbh csgo feels like I'm doing the same thing over and over again. Valorant feels different each game because of abilities and team comps. Csgo is harder mechanically, but valorant is harder strategically

[@sfbrk5381]

@@Scopifeyhow is valorant strategicall harder? Unless you’ve never surpassed nova, that statement is invalid.

[@youngprestige1738]

@@sfbrk5381 🤓

[@flyzfm5060]

@@sfbrk5381 I have an immortal friend who cant get past Gold due to most golds not having aim in his rank. The main issue isn't strategy, but teamwork and how each game forces the players to work together.

[@nietzfritzchen]

He forgot to mention the community servers in csgo

[@Bllksem]

The reason there are full bot lobbies in tf2 is because they join on each other to take over the lobby. If you stay in one of those almost full bot lobbies for long enough to where almost all the real players have left, they all leave too. It’s not like the bots only rely on mm to join matches at random. A bot joins if it’s not booted as people leave more join until they have enough votes to get a majority and then can’t be booted anymore. You don’t need 80% of the player count to be bots for the game to have such a bad bot problem, you only need maybe 1-2k bots. 70k players, 24 players lobbies, ~3k lobbies if all the lobbies were full, and which generally they are mostly full because people don’t like to play on empty lobbies, 6 players need to vote no to stop a kick vote, 6 bots to a lobby with 2k bots is 300 lobbies that can be held up at once, and once they’re finished with one they just move to another where there is at least 1 empty spot. Bot joins, people leave, more bots join, more leave, lobby pretty much empties, bots leave to find new lobbies. As long as your lobby has 10+ people in it you can kick the as they come in, but when there are more than 2 bots silt becomes difficult. They steal a real players name so on the menu it’s hard to tell which is the bot, and they call vote kicks on real players, and a lot of the time people just brainlessly f1.

[@ansgarmoneyboy]

To be honest learning util in cs is way more time conuming thannleraning the meta in valo

[@slibiditanu]

I love hopping on deathmatches in CS:GO every once in a while to try it out then get greeted by a lobby with not one actual player

[@beanosplays]

For years valve was in no rush to fix major issues in CS:GO, purely because they had no competition to worry about. Valorant's existence forced Valve to address issues and keep the player base happy. I will always like CS more than Valorant, but am also very happy the game exists.

[@gameclipz7668]

Nah some valorant players here shit talked csgo before now they acting like "both games are good, play what ever u want" goofy's

[@Jeregolnumber9]

In this whole comment section, I haven't seen a single valorant community hate cs, only cs Community hate valorant

[@gameclipz7668]

@@Jeregolnumber9 they dont hate cauze they dont have anything to hate. Valorant is a Copy thats it

[@Jeregolnumber9]

@@gameclipz7668 oh cool but why do you guys need to hate valorant? Are you guys the one who created cs? Ofc no so stfu

[@vincenteriksson4062]

@@Jeregolnumber9Been looking for like 15 mins. Found countless dissing on CS.

[@dominik21333]

Csgo meatriding is crazy

[@joaquinlopeztorres1071]

bro said valorant is worse and showed he simply doesn't like it. he was complaining about having to keep up with new agents and learn which ones are better and what not like that's not a crucial aspect of the game and what makes it unique. It's like criticising a horror film for being scary xd

[@risegaming2047]

In my opinion, Valorant doesn't feel like a competitor to CS GO at all. The only thing they share in common is that they're both in the FPS genre and have low TTK. But other than that Valorant deviates too much from some key principles that are the foundation of CS GO. Things like no agents, no/limited aim down sights, heavy focus on utility etc. Add on top of that more superficial factors like skins and graphics, there is practically nothing left to compare.

[@JR-kv6ez]

well the gunplay mechanics are almost identical, so there's that.

[@ThatsKami16]

The objective is also one and the same. It's quite obvious that Riot just meshed CS Go together with Overwatch and called it a day.

[@NomTheDom]

@@JR-kv6ez valorant is closer to tarkov than it is to cs

[@JR-kv6ez]

@@NomTheDom lol no

[@athmaid]

​@@JR-kv6ez what are you talking about man, Valorant doesn't even have spray patterns and you can scope with most weapons. That's super different from CS

[@GK-ut9nc]

Valorant has better deal at this moment to be honest: Superior skin value for money, better anti-cheat and 128 tickrate out of the box, no need to learn lineups in order to not throwing games, Koreans and maybe Chineses are grinding this game right now so the skill ceiling will be pushed arguably faster than cs

[@AquaWhiteZ]

Probably idk, although the skins in cs are still superior. idk about the skill ceiling tho, because csgo skill ceiling took 10 years in the making, and it came to the point that once you peek a corner, you get dinked with a fucking pistol 2 times then lose against an eco because of it.

[@GK-ut9nc]

@@AquaWhiteZ a lot of tier 2 players transferred to valorant and quickly replaced already, so there's that

[@ionutnichifor29]

so lowkey conclusion dont play valorant cuz it takes more skill and more time to learn and understand how to actually play the game lol

[@TheD404]

I think it's silly to pit them in a competition were there is only one left at the top. Competition is good and a never ending fight to be better allows them to both become great.

[@Ghost-ns5yu]

I laughed so hard when ohne notices the ak

[@BenjaminBüchler]

This chat is so funny, just hating on Val and Ow, although cs is just boring without characters

[@fasteraa1182]

i have heard a lot of people saying that riot games copied dota even tho league of legends was published in 2009 and dota in 2013 but both games were in the making at the same time they didnt copy at least that

[@josecarlitox1]

Dota was a warcraft 3 mod, riot co-founders were part of the team that develop said mod, then they took the fun parts and remove/add some mechanics to make it more accesible to the public. In the other hand Ice frog did a deal with valve and dota 2 became a thing. At the end of the day, Riot gets something that has a high mechanical or skill complexity and make it more accessible to mainstream consumers, their last IP it's going to be a "dumb" down version of fighting games, and so their MMO will be a WoW clone, whatever they do it will be beneficial to us as consumers, because the competition will need to improve for fear of losing their market share.

[@kirinom-3129]

What are you talking about? Dota 1 was released in 2003 and League of Legends in 2009. LOL is a copy of DOTA1, not DOTA2. In 2013, Valve made dota2, the same way valve made cs2. You saying DOTA2 was released in 2013 so league of legends is not a copy of DOTA, is like saying CS2 was released in 2023, which is why Valorant is not a copy of CS. What you can say is the fact that RIOT did not copy Valve when they made LOL, which is true, because DOTA1 had nothing to do with VALVE at that time. But at the same time, Valve has all the rights of DOTA. So in a way, even though Valve did not own DOTA1 at that time, since they bought the mod, they own all the rights, you can still consider DOTA1 a valve game. But at the end of the day, LOL still copied Dota. Is not an original concept.

[@michikugel9127]

It only took cs 20 years to get Decent tick rate Servers in matchmaking^^

[@DecaDose]

I love both games for them being different. CSGO has a higher skill gap fasho and as long as your good at aim, Valorant is easy until higher ranks when util actually matters. Idk what the video creator is talking about. “You have to learn all these agents” like bruh u have to learn hella line ups on csgo and it depends on tick rate. Both have good and bad but CSGO is harder thats fasho

[@TransparentEclipse]

Definitely not. Depends completely on ur style of gameplay. I am a LE csgo player, have been supreme and even global before for long stretches. I am barely a gold player most of the time in valo, and have only hit plat like twice. I have way better mechanics, gamesense, even utility usage on csgo. Valorant makes everything way harder, and it’s so hard to get teammates who have a single goddamn clue what’s going on

[@DecaDose]

@@TransparentEclipse eh I guess it depends. I hit diamond before ascendant was added and I feel like CSGO is harder in my opinion

[@toiletpaper3487]

@@TransparentEclipse or you are just overwhelmed by the abilities, not being able to process what's going on well enough

[@TransparentEclipse]

@@toiletpaper3487 lmfao no

[@imaginefinding]

​@@TransparentEclipse its the opposite of me then, im really bad at aiming and thats why i got destroyed in cs But in valorant i dont really need to out aim my opponent if they cant see me So most of the time i just win by simply being somewhere i shouldn't be, or just by blinding my opponent

[@atecep]

I don't think that valorant needs to beat cs. They have two different publics

[@maxlgaudi8386]

1:15 u can bring up that same argument for cs and valo xD

[@skullrak5951]

the guy probably has more subs than views cause he probably linked it to other streamers for them to watch, and the viewers went and subbed after the streamer reacted. happens a lot

[@UnknownL4D2]

Valorant: We are better and improved while Counter strike sucks Counter Strike: We have an enconnomy, trading and selling and perfected every mechanic Valve: Our ideas we come up with, are way better any game that copied us

[@jasonofa3633]

I play both, but recently, I've stuck to CSGO. The gunplay just felt much better to me, and you're not getting stunned and flashed all rounds. You can get pop flashed in CSGO, but at least those require skills to oull off. Also Valorant's maps are super dogwater. The only bearable map is Ascent. Every other maps just has bad flow.

[@angus5427]

Unlucky I'm breach and just shot my wrist through a wall to blind you. Thanks to RNG sprays, you can't prefire at all. gg go next😂.

[@telegrxm]

bro picked the worst map and said its the only bearable map

[@ThatsKami16]

​@@telegrxmit's not the worst map. That's just plainly wrong. Fracture or Pearl are easily more shit than Ascent. I would probably say Split is the best map though.

[@telegrxm]

@@ThatsKami16 SPLIT TOO ohhh my god what is up with valorant players and hating maps that require good aim?? first breeze and now fracture and pearl

[@jacksonscott7697]

As of today tf2 is mostly free of bots and the player count on steam charts is quite accurate. tf2 actually hit one of the highest concurrent players in its history this past june

[@juliank117]

" this is, this is the veason vye valorant will never do it" Aware

[@necromantic77]

don't know about learning all agents, it isn't that hard

[@conorjglennon]

It isnt really required either. You learn the fundamentals of them all and then have 1 or 2 you understand more indepth.

[@thorstenschmidt877]

if you wanna understand agents, go play dota

[@PhatTran-nw9ri]

​@@thorstenschmidt877 play LoL because it's easier to learn. Dota is too hardcore thought

[@noz_fx]

Val has the knowledge burden of learning agents (which more of will be added forever) AND knowing utility setup and maps. In CS, it's only utility setup and maps, albeit there is more utility knowledge to learn in CS.

[@toiletpaper3487]

@@noz_fx as conorjglennon said, you dont need to "learn every agent", you just need to know what the abilities do and thats all you need to know, you are most likely gonna have 2-3 agents that you play in valorant, with the occasion of them all being picked, where you have to fill in the role that is necessary for the team, where you atleast know what to do with the agent. you dont necessarily have to go in depth on every agent, just stick to 2-3 agents and you are all set

[@athmaid]

Valorant is like a mix of Overwatch and CS, but neither part feels satisfying

[@soupman163]

CSGO players hate Valorant but Valorant players don’t hate CSGO :(

[@momonoski4398]

Because most valorant players arent old enough to know what csgo is in the first place

[@rguess]

Riot games should’ve learned from overwatch that valve games cannot be upstaged.

[@zeexk]

Tbh i think the hate valo gets from csgo doesnt come from the fact that its a copy, its because of the na pros all switching there and shit talking cs

[@houseking9211]

then going back and saying valorant is shit, or becoming streamers? na never had a noteable scene in csgo, and never will

[@si-jd9oq]

@@houseking9211 nah, cs2 will be big in na

[@user-nq5wb1cz5e]

What I hate about Valorant is so many smurfs in ranked. I have not found the same in csgo.

[@aryank.s3174]

i have around 1000hr in valorant and iam happy to announce that i have lost my last 3 brain cells!

[@tomino5201]

i am 1000 hr in cs and i amrussian hacker now :D

[@m0nk3yscr4tch]

Funny how people are convinced of this despite it missing some even bigger points and reasons. Like dependency and strategy of riot games, the natural force of cs, the lack of atmosphere and esport Support of valo besides everything related to attracting casuals etc. etc.

[@jamilgonzaga7081]

I'm a Filipino but when I saw that Neon intro/trailer, I've never felt anything that should be patriotic or hyped upon learning her ethnicity. I wonder why

[@NomTheDom]

because if you feel patriotic seeing a video game character you should be hung

[@athmaid]

They were pinoy baiting or what?

[@seb7271]

This video must have been made by the least biased CSGO player

[@muzy8768]

Damn, sorry I didnt realize CSgo invented the AK and the butterfly knife 😂😂😂 "Literally stolen"

[@SGitsXsepa_OGyt12]

Tf2 will never die

[@paradox_rl8399]

I play both games but I do play val more I would admit. I agree that having many agents is whack and I would say that thing that sucks the most is having to fill for your team which I do often. But I rather full than learn 5 million line ups just to play cs. Having to learn line ups is what makes the game annoying to play but that’s just me

[@anshjaiswal7220]

I literally started looking for lineups after playing for like 1000 hours, before that I just enjoyed the game.

[@tufftim1HD]

Until you realize how simple it is to learn line ups in a private server. And that for the little time it takes to learn a smoke it will help not only you but your team as well. Plus you don't need to learn line ups until you get to higher ranks and people start playing more seriously

[@michikugel9127]

​@@tufftim1HD yea and then you play faceit and have to re-learn the 128 tick lineups

[@NomTheDom]

@@michikugel9127 basically all default lineups are the same on 64 and 128

[@abhisheksathe123]

Wait for CS2 and see how big part of valorant leaves the game for CS2

[@leuviah3340]

I am pretty sure right now valorant is more popular worldwide than csgo, on google charts

[@RogueCross2710]

I know lots of ppl meme on run n gun in cs but its like multiple times worse in valorant at least most cases pf what looks like run n gun in cs is just a perfectly timed strafe tap but in valorant you can just fill strafe run hs ppl from half way across the map with decent consistency

[@skycycle3395]

Bro you definitely cannot wtf😅

[@okzz2]

valorant does a good job at making me feel like csgo is outdated but yeah the reality is that csgo has the world already.

[@JuicyCharon]

Valorant just has more about it. The difference is every game feels different because of the change in agents. CSGO just cannot provide that.

[@spaceghostass909]

im playing both games and enjoy them very much, but there is one thing i see everytime when im playing cs go. everyone is smh scared of valorant or hate it on some stupid reason. ppl shouldnt forget that it was valorant who pushed valve to put more updates and to start care about the community bc everyone started to switch to them, only bc they didnt have done anything in two years

[@gsilvy4k570]

I mean Valve didnt do anything for so long when Valorant was released. The majority of people including Valve knew there was zero threat of Valorant actually killing csgo.

[@gsilvy4k570]

@@mangarealm242 CSGO and Valorant are 2 very different games with only the same premise. CSGO has its demographic/audience and Valorant has its own. Neither game can kill each other, and I'm sorry but thinking that either of them can, is pure ignorance. Games like Rainbow six siege also have agents(operators) and have added more maps than CS has in the past years, yet that game isnt doing very well compared to how it used to be. Obviously there are other reasons for Siege's decline, but my point still stands. People don't talk about GTA 5 much anymore, yet it's still one of the most popular games after all these years, CS is the same. CS 2 has renewed an insane amount of people's interest in CSGO, it's not a small change like how you seem to think it is. It's an entire overhaul of a dated engine which can now improve every aspect of the game. Overwatch 2 is a pure disaster, and I can one hundred percent guarantee that CS 2 won't become that dumpster fire. I also failed to mention your point about skins. Valorant does not have an entire skin based player economy that CSGO has. You cannot sell or trade Valorant skins. As for adding more agents, not everyone likes an agent/operator game style. A lot of people don't enjoy being locked to a "class", which we can see from R6. If you have more valid arguments, then of course I'll take them into account. But there's nothing that indicates that Valorant can "kill" CSGO. many developers have tried to kill/takeover the Call of duty franchise, yet COD still remains at the top(how COD is going to do in the near future is a different conversation for different reasons).

[@lolLol-zh1wp]

Comp

[@_volticapex_]

I love watching ohne but I play valorant way more then I play csgo and it hurts me to see how ignorant and bias some people are 😢 why can’t people just enjoy what they enjoy 😢

[@mistermadmike488]

“valorant sucks because i dont wanna learn util”

[@Arcticcountry]

Learn util? Util in valorant is baby util compared to util in csgo, its not hard to learn at all and takes very little skill to use well compared to nades in cs. This comes from someone with over 1000 hrs in both games.

[@jayd0n-_-]

​​@@Arcticcountry i dont get why people say they dont want to learn the meta and stuff in valorant when csgo util is harder to learn. There are meta util spots like smokes and flashes in csgo as well but these stubborn ass kids cant lear how to use a sova dart in valorant lmao.

[@mistermadmike488]

@@Arcticcountry i agree, idk why the dude who made the video was saying it was so over complicated

[@DennysTheRestaurant]

the only time valorant is worth playing is when you get top frag, if you lost, then you just wasted half an hour of your live for nothing, and you also cant leave, because then your teammates will report you for that and you can get banned for it (Which is so stupid imo)

[@ETERNITY34]

As a hard valo player yes that is so true.

[@DigitalTheAlchemist]

I will say, for Val player hating on cs, theres 100 cs players hating on val

[@arkan3524]

I will never understand how some people can hate on a game without even playing it

[@BGI_guy]

I don't think I have to believe in Fascism to hate it, same logic

[@AmonAndersson]

try using the brain

[@sachi2935]

@@BGI_guy LMFAO WHAT ITS A VIDEO GAME

[@Ok-mb6hu]

@@BGI_guy average cs andy take 💀

[@tayne0525]

@@Ok-mb6huclassic valorant enjoyer

[@paulapenoREAL]

Ohne admits gambling addiction, 30k gone.

[@angus5427]

Dont think valo would ever make me stop playing CS but if valorant didnt have RNG sprays then id at least play it regularly.

[@Adam23165]

funny how its always other companies copying valve's stuff, not the other way around.

[@me1ody505]

When the only reason cs is alive is because of gambling and loot boxes💀 I love both games but damn when those EU gambling laws come through(it’ll probably happen at some point), cs might get fucked

[@spimpsmacker6422]

"It's just skins bro." I mean yeah: ignore the multimillion dollar tournaments, the community content, the fact that the internet went crazy over a game engine port, or the consistently growing player rates; and sure you would be right.

[@toiletpaper3487]

@@spimpsmacker6422 the fact that people spent countless of thousands of dollars on gambling for a virtual item is fucking insane. instead of spending $5k on a weapon skin, you can just be patient and hope that the skin you want appeard in the shop and then buy it for maybe 50$. its a much more sane and less deranging take on the skin department

[@risegaming2047]

EU isn't even the largest skins customer, it's China. As for the pro scene, there's plenty of funding from other sources NOT based in EU.

[@jayd0n-_-]

​@@spimpsmacker6422 yeah but a big part of the community only stays for literal gambling

[@spimpsmacker6422]

@@jayd0n-_- Sure, but that doesn't suddenly invalidate the significance of the game itself.

[@ETERNITY34]

I cant understand why Csgo and Valo cant be like minecraft and terraria.

[@steve_jobs6]

I swapped from valorant to Csgo less than a week ago after i saw CS2 gameplay, having never played a game of CS in my life. I peaked imm2 and realized that i hated playing the game. Trust me when i say valorant will be the death of itself in the future, they are dumping out too much shit content imo.

[@shuhei9571]

the riot way of throwing shit at the wall and seeing if it works

[@YuriUnlucky]

The exact issues i have with Rainbow Six Siege. So many agents synergies and clashes i have to keep track and it just makes me want to blow my brains out.

[@ThatsKami16]

Six Siege isn't really that complicated.

[@YuriUnlucky]

@@ThatsKami16 opinions

[@gsilvy4k570]

@@YuriUnlucky I would agree with Kami though. The operators in Siege are not that complex, sure they add new ones all the time, but generally its linear enough for anyone to understand. Siege is complicated for completely different reasons other than operators.

[@MerrStudio]

6:38 yeah let's woohoo for gambling lmao

[@StrongFreeLovin]

3:20 You could think that but no, it doesn't feel fresh, rather tiring. I was playing LoL for 8 years and quit, because they changed the game so many times it became irritating.

[@litensnubbe9516]

riot never did any pr for league of legends unless you count the promotional stuff they did for their world cup. and this was targeted at the people already playing league. It was not untill the newer games like their mobile game and legends of runterra they started doing commercials.

[@greyfire64]

As a TF2 player who is making a small shift into CS Him saying TF2 is dead hurts my soul for anyone who cares even by the time the video was uploaded Tf2 was never dead Saying TF2 was dead because of Cheaters is like saying Counter Strike is dead because of Cheaters TF2's bots at their maxiume terror made up about 10k players max Thanks to that broney cheater getting arrested TF2s bots have basically died down now and i'd say we probably old have 1k bots now TF2 cheaters make up about 3-7k max right now The reason why tf2 bot ciris was a problem was because the bots were programmed to go in groups of 3-4 on each team making it impossible for the bots to vote kick (it also didn't help that they were mic spamming ear rape and more) The TF2 bot crisis is basically gone now and while the player count right now is "lower" it is usually around the 80-90k range Thats arguably due to CS2 (since both I and all my Tf2 steam friends have been playing the fuck out of CSGO) and also School starting for people But the TF2 Economy is strong and the Playerbase is still strong Also TF2 has community servers and as long as community servers is a thing this game will never die in the traditional way (aka being shut down for good)

[@sandalchewer22]

The idea is there, but it was executed very poorly

[@datwee7576]

Btw, anyone who thinks Valorant will kill CS is a common narative anyone holds are just CSGO fans who want to reafirm their game is better. Also those same people gotta stop acting like CS2 is the next age of gaming, its just a graphics update and a COD loading screen

[@NomTheDom]

it is a common narrative people hold, what are you talking about? it was quite LITERALLY marketed as such

[@datwee7576]

@@NomTheDom the riot devs were not walking around saying “this will kill csgo”

[@aironiz]

Tbh if people like Valorant or Csgo more they cant say that the game is better than the other because you just enjoy it more, other people enjoy that game and you hate them for it like I personally love both of these and I am not a hater I love both of these games

[@mothamor]

literally rent free

[@mykuronekocantbethiscute]

If only Ranked match is available for F2P player the game can be match up with same level of skills.

[@nguyenhoanganhtuan7051]

We used to have it ! It just bring a bunch of cheater in

[@mondo-]

Summary for yall, "Valorant is bad because I don't wanna take the time to learn the game"

[@it_is6954]

cs:go let’s you pick the maps you want and allows you to buy a skin that you like via community market or cases, with valorant the game just does it for you, and half the time they give you shitty maps and shitty skins

[@toiletpaper3487]

the valorant store is basically just a case but you have the chance to buy the skin directly and not lose a shit ton of money on it, just by having patience

[@KevinCloudQAQ]

Well, ca and valoranr actually feel kinda different , valorant is like non tachtical r6 to me. And the only problem I have with ca is hackers, and in addition I do feel there are no new players in cs, everyone knows how to play even in silvers.

[@athmaid]

Are we playing the same game? I've downranked to GN3 and people there oftentimes don't even know where to plant

[@kristofferaribal7514]

Valorant is a MOBA shooter like Overwatch sprinkled with a tactical FPS element. The problem with that is Valorant's predefined role. CSGO doesn't have one but the teams and the community makes one and you don't have to be stuck on that role if you don't want to. You don't want to be the entry fragger on the team? Go ahead no one is stopping you. Want to be the AWPer even though there's 3 of you who buys the AWP, go ahead no one is stopping you. Everyone has a choice. With that said, let's not forget how you can't pick maps on Valorant. That's just plain stupid. I'm not surprised if Valorant goes the destiny 2 PVP route. They think that the gunplay is good so they're going to introduce new OP agents and they'll go back to the trappings of a traditional MOBA.

[@Tyretes]

tf2, the game that valve want to stop developing but somehow people keeping it alive. with a very small number of employees, they'd need to handle and focus their manpower on other projects. tf2's spaghetti code even makes it harder to develop and make update with. they would need to make the game from scratch again and better with source 2 engine so they could develop it easier. they could've also do the same thing as they did with cs2; that is to make a new tf2 game while also keeping the gameplay 1:1. though since valve is cooking other new games beside cs2, i speculate the development for tf2 is quite possibly small since they're using their manpower for their other projects.

[@Fynth_]

Valorant is already bigger then CS if you look at the streams and fun wile playing

[@ecoooooooooo]

csgo 1m active player, val 500k active but ok

[@andy_aqui]

Why do CS players insist on this fight for the best fps? it's just 2 different games

[@Mrsendmetad]

I don't understand how Valorent even got popular in the first place. Its a copy of 2 games core mechanics ane gameplay, its a shame something like this even gets accepted