Why we don't need 'male feminists' - Julie Bindel & Michael Conroy | Action Men

[@pasha578]

Lost me at the reference to Paulo Freire. Anyone familiar with Freire's work knows what an utter charlatan he was.

[@hugor1338]

Commentary by a lesbian on relationships between men and women is always going to sound like a blind woman's commentary on her visit to an art gallery.

[@mgtowpia7298]

It amazes me that these people are collapsing the very society that makes it possible for them to exist and are oblivious to the fact.

[@incurableromantic4006]

Exactly. Feminism is a part of a suicidal impulse that has taken over western civilisation.

[@megankwisdom]

loving this new podcast, have been recommending it to people!

[@paulandrew6457]

A lot of problems with young men is lack of decent role models and very often absent or abusive father's its within us all to be aggressive but with the right upbringing and environments we can channel that in positive and constructive ways. All decent men are against violence rape and abuse most men do not rape abuse or hit women. No man I know has raped abused or hit a woman. Porn is a problem with most men however and the internet is fuelling the problem.

[@nikimagelakis9085]

You mean no man you know has admitted to rape. Statistically speaking, if you look at various websites such as : The Order of The White-feather, 1 in 16 men are rapists. So if you know 16 or more men, chances are one of them is. In my sixty years, I have never heard of any man, admitting to being a rapist. So many women are raped but no one is a rapist .

[@stewiemac4017]

The acceptance of single mother households is utterly destructive.

[@MrOnionterror]

"No man I know has raped abused or hit a woman" You have absolutely no way of knowing that.

[@wingnut71]

Don't forget, porn would not exist without the women who do it for their money. They are every bit as guilty. And the internet has only revealed just how many women are happy to commercialise their sex appeal to men. Some of these girls claim to be empowered feminists. Any chance this will be addressed in future discussions on this channel? Don't worry, I won't hold my breath.

[@stewiemac4017]

@@MrOnionterror Many men have a nose for it though. We can spot the insecure, the failures, the weaklings. Also those men you would never leave alone with children or allow near your daughter.

[@muttleyZZZ]

Totally awesome interview 🙏🏻

[@alanrobertson9790]

Much as I'm not a male feminist supporter I think the notion that people own ideas is absurd. People can have what ideas they like and don't need other peoples permission to have them. If there are men who want to describe themselves as feminists well too bad.

[@lancewalker2595]

By "entitlement" what you are referring to is a boy's desire to MATTER, to BE VALUED, to HAVE A PURPOSE; our culture openly preaches about the "obsolescence" of men, we have systemically demoralized entire generations of boys who have been told that their purpose is be NOTHING. As ever, feminism will continue to do nothing but misunderstand, and counter-productively exacerbate, the very problem they claim to address. The world has quite enough of these obsequious neurotics, the solution to this problem is VIRTUE. Fuck feminism, and it's insipid notion that being a good man means denying one's self-interest as a man. You will only persistent in your constant failure so long as you continue to make men and boys an enemy to virtue, what is good is not good merely for the sake of women and girls; boys and men, unless you have forgotten, are the primary subjects of THEIR OWN LIVES, so stop placing the "safety" of women and girls at the center of, and in opposition to, the best interest of men and boys. So I will reiterate: FUCK FEMINISM, I will be a good man because to be a good man is a GOOD THING TO BE FOR MY OWN SAKE.

[@Dave.666.]

This lady definitely doesn't hate men.

[@tom-vx1lp]

loves them shes got 4 in her basement. she does seem lovely though

[@justiceformenboys]

Hopefully you're joking?

[@tom-vx1lp]

its hard to portray over text. yes of course. @@justiceformenboys

[@tom-vx1lp]

i like her i've watched a few more vids soho debate ewas good @@justiceformenboys

[@justiceformenboys]

@@tom-vx1lp Thanks Tom!

[@Emilyb21-dm3bf]

Thanks men of action boys listen to men and porn needs to go its so addictive and bad for both sexes . Addiction of gaming appa like gambling needs shutting down too. Women care about boys and girls but boys listen to men i hope you go into school snd really make a difference. Thank you . We can use our imagination and thats seems to be hard fir alot to do

[@lancewalker2595]

By "entitlement" what you are referring to is a boy's desire to MATTER, to BE VALUED, to HAVE A PURPOSE; our culture openly preaches about the "obsolescence" of men, we have systemically demoralized entire generations of boys who have been told that their purpose is be NOTHING. As ever, feminism will continue to do nothing but misunderstand, and counter-productively exacerbate, the very problem they claim to address. The world has quite enough of these obsequious neurotics, the solution to this problem is VIRTUE. Fuck feminism, and it's insipid notion that being a good man means denying one's self-interest as a man. You will only persistent in your constant failure so long as you continue to make men and boys an enemy to virtue, what is good is not good merely for the sake of women and girls; boys and men, unless you have forgotten, are the primary subjects of THEIR OWN LIVES, so stop placing the "safety" of women and girls at the center of, and in opposition to, the best interest of men and boys. So I will reiterate: FUCK FEMINISM, I will be a good man because to be a good man is a GOOD THING TO BE FOR MY OWN SAKE.

[@MrAndrew941]

These issues are more prevalent in certain demographics, just have to listen to the music and watch the videos, bet it never gets highlighted though.

[@Argeaux2]

I’m sorry but as a person who was a youth worker for thirty years, I can’t believe I still hear this nonsense. I also can’t believe that Julie didn’t challenge this. There is only so much money available to young people. Every dollar put into a programme for young men is a dollar removed from programmes for young women. This idea about teaching boys how to be better people has been banging about since at least the 80s. Probably before that. What results have we seen? Not many, if you are still asking for money for young men’s programmes. I would like to see more money put into providing young women with the tools to protect themselves. Things like personal alarms. Phone numbers they can ring - local police, youth housing, women’s housing, rape crisis numbers, etc. Typical for a man on a feminist podcast to talk about running programs for men, and for that not to be challenged.

[@Argeaux2]

You can tell that neither of these people has played many video games. They have probably only heard of Call of Duty, and Grand Theft Auto. Grand Theft Auto is the only one of those two games that you could say is pornographic, and even then it isn’t really. Children’s games like Animal Crossing aren’t anywhere near pornographic. One of the biggest games at the moment is Breath of the Wild. You might be able to mod porn into that, but the game as it is shipped has no porn at all. There are lots of puzzle games that have no porn. Portal, for example. Tetris has no porn. Unmodded Stardew Valley has no porn. There is a wide variety of games. People who don’t play games seem to think that there are only first person shooter (FPS) games.

[@cyclist68]

The type of woman the will walk out of Starbucks carrying a coffee and cake she paid £10 for and step over a homeless man she thinks is oppressing her 🙄

[@jsmith498]

You misspelled black person.

[@Jenny-es1mw]

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@00Daddy]

Yaaa

[@stewiemac4017]

There have to be caveats. Thank goodness for male strength and violence, in Ukraine, in Israel etc. Good men have to stand up and destroy evil men. Porn, what about all male gay porn, all women lesbian porn. Porn is not bad per se. Men and children, it is men who must set an example for their sons and the sons of all fathers. It is also men, ultimately who protect children. I really hope Julie does a full 2hr interview with Jordan Peterson very soon.

[@carmenmccauley585]

Its women who protect children. Mostly they protect children from men.

[@Th3_Gael]

​@@carmenmccauley585utter rubbish

[@stewiemac4017]

@@Th3_Gael I can't even see what he posted

[@Th3_Gael]

​@@stewiemac4017she says "it's women who protect children. Mostly they protect children from men." To see hidden comments you need to select newest then scroll through to where you were. Typical social media tactic for hiding comments

[@lancewalker2595]

By "entitlement" what you are referring to is a boy's desire to MATTER, to BE VALUED, to HAVE A PURPOSE; our culture openly preaches about the "obsolescence" of men, we have systemically demoralized entire generations of boys who have been told that their purpose is be NOTHING. As ever, feminism will continue to do nothing but misunderstand, and counter-productively exacerbate, the very problem they claim to address. The world has quite enough of these obsequious neurotics, the solution to this problem is VIRTUE. Fuck feminism, and it's insipid notion that being a good man means denying one's self-interest as a man. You will only persistent in your constant failure so long as you continue to make men and boys an enemy to virtue, what is good is not good merely for the sake of women and girls; boys and men, unless you have forgotten, are the primary subjects of THEIR OWN LIVES, so stop placing the "safety" of women and girls at the center of, and in opposition to, the best interest of men and boys. So I will reiterate: FUCK FEMINISM, I will be a good man because to be a good man is a GOOD THING TO BE FOR MY OWN SAKE.

[@nickmogensen]

I wonder why this podcast usually talks about "violence" as one-dimensional. Women's violence is for example less physical but everybody knows that psychological terror can be very harming as well.

[@helenablavatsky9136]

Hey Julie!

[@tom-vx1lp]

ive decided im not going to become a feminist

[@saiello2061]

I really thought we'd moved on from this 1980's pound shop feminist mindset, addressing the symptoms but not the causes. How much work has Bindel done on female initiated DV? As Bill Burr once observed, there's never an excuse for hitting women, but a DV incident doesn't just fall out of the sky....No attempt at an even handed analysis, just knee jerk accusation and incrimination.

[@vanessac1721]

Bill Burr is comedian and not remotely an expert on DV issues. I think he wouldn't be horrified that you are citing his comedic routine as justification for DV against women. Actually he would think you are a moron with zero critical thinking skills. Because if you think if a man laid his hands on either of his daughters once they were grown up, he would stop and ask the man what his daughter did to deserve it, you are delusional.

[@youtubeyoutube936]

Mae victims app 35% are ignored. Feminist don’t want equality

[@anonymousa-uy1hk]

Yeah, what about the men? Because we all know we must never have a conversation about violence against women without somehow maneuvering the conversation to men and their feelings.

[@saiello2061]

@@anonymousa-uy1hk When has that ever happened...?

[@Jenny-es1mw]

If only the women would just behave themselves 🤡

[@Tad20243]

they praise each other.

[@tom-vx1lp]

whos teaching them to be abusive?

[@tom-vx1lp]

might be you two.

[@ElectronicChateau]

Society

[@tom-vx1lp]

society @@ElectronicChateau

[@lancewalker2595]

By "entitlement" what you are referring to is a boy's desire to MATTER, to BE VALUED, to HAVE A PURPOSE; our culture openly preaches about the "obsolescence" of men, we have systemically demoralized entire generations of boys who have been told that their purpose is be NOTHING. As ever, feminism will continue to do nothing but misunderstand, and counter-productively exacerbate, the very problem they claim to address. The world has quite enough of these obsequious neurotics, the solution to this problem is VIRTUE. Fuck feminism, and it's insipid notion that being a good man means denying one's self-interest as a man. You will only persistent in your constant failure so long as you continue to make men and boys an enemy to virtue, what is good is not good merely for the sake of women and girls; boys and men, unless you have forgotten, are the primary subjects of THEIR OWN LIVES, so stop placing the "safety" of women and girls at the center of, and in opposition to, the best interest of men and boys. So I will reiterate: FUCK FEMINISM, I will be a good man because to be a good man is a GOOD THING TO BE FOR MY OWN SAKE.

[@catherinerobilliard7662]

Bird isn’t that sexist, it comes from the Old English byrd, for maiden; it’s where “bride” comes from. Similarly “hen” in hen parties refers to a unit of beer, and the Geordie term “pet” is short for “petal”. Going “stag” however is from “stagnant” and not quite so nice.

[@catherinerobilliard7662]

@Kee485 it’s English culture, linked to Old English and it’s all very real. I’ll add here that woman comes from wyf but wyf in those days did not mean wife, only woman. You’re welcome.

[@wingnut71]

​@Kee485Says you with absolutely ZERO to offer as backup to her claim.

[@catherinerobilliard7662]

@Kee485 I am she. Care to explain how the etymology of given English vernacular is nonsense?

[@wingnut71]

@Kee485 Whatever. Who knows these days? Women claim to be men, men claim to be women, some claim to be fecking 2 dozen people in one body. It's a shit show. The "her" in my comment referenced the comment above about olde English words. The name is a woman's name, Catherine, so it seems reasonable to assume she is a woman. I was asking you what evidence you can present since you dismissed her claim as nonsense. You got the wrong end of the stick somehow.

[@incurableromantic4006]

@@wingnut71 She's right - "Midwife" means "With woman" in old English. Ask any midwife if you don't believe it. Don't mock people who know more than you.

[@carolinehurley2006]

i'm sorry but "don't stay in the high-crime area" is BAD advice?! come on Julie.

[@lizzie7825]

Justin the Head boy of Canada I mean Prime Minister formed his first cabinet with the memorable 50/50 male female cabinet because it was 2015 lol. He also layered DEI to his cabinet interestingly mainly to the females. So while some experienced female liberals sat on the back benches some of his prime 50/50 DEI females received plum cabinet jobs. One outcome Justin couldn’t care a less about was he gave a new cabinet minister a sink or swim high profile assignment. She was meant to poll, nudge and move Canadians from First Past the Post to proportional Representation. To make a boring story short in ended in a splash of fiasco and it hurt her reputation badly. She looked like a fool. The benefit to Justin was he made a campaign promise to change the voting system and he wasn’t going to expend the political capital to keep it. What did our male feminist do, took the least experienced DEI 50/50 political appointee and throw her to the wolves. Sister power.

[@carmenmccauley585]

Dreadfully written but excellent point.

[@WooWoo-co4jf]

Quite a few years ago I was in a train and the voice said "Porridge Parkway is the next station" I thought it said that, how odd I thought. The train stopped, I looked at the station signpost 'Horwich Parkway' I can't even claim I had a hearing difficulty

[@RenegadeContext]

There's not enough men like this in the world

[@lancewalker2595]

By "entitlement" what you are referring to is a boy's desire to MATTER, to BE VALUED, to HAVE A PURPOSE; our culture openly preaches about the "obsolescence" of men, we have systemically demoralized entire generations of boys who have been told that their purpose is be NOTHING. As ever, feminism will continue to do nothing but misunderstand, and counter-productively exacerbate, the very problem they claim to address. The world has quite enough of these obsequious neurotics, the solution to this problem is VIRTUE. Fuck feminism, and it's insipid notion that being a good man means denying one's self-interest as a man. You will only persistent in your constant failure so long as you continue to make men and boys an enemy to virtue, what is good is not good merely for the sake of women and girls; boys and men, unless you have forgotten, are the primary subjects of THEIR OWN LIVES, so stop placing the "safety" of women and girls at the center of, and in opposition to, the best interest of men and boys. So I will reiterate: FUCK FEMINISM, I will be a good man because to be a good man is a GOOD THING TO BE FOR MY OWN SAKE.

[@Noallegiance]

Interesting intro. Is that what happens then? Boys get taught to fight and compete which ends up with them battering women? I must have missed that memo.

[@incurableromantic4006]

It's always like this with feminists - they're convinced that the world is a way that it simply isn't.

[@demonvictim]

Simple at a early age the majority of teachers primarily females tell kids to go to the authority figure to fix problems. They dont do anything and the only way the problem is fixed is by standing for yourself. Also kindness is good for maintenance but not good for problem solving.

[@ElectronicChateau]

Great interview, not heard of Michael before but he talks a lot of sense. Good on him for trying to make a difference. Not quite sure why some of the comments are defensive, there's nothing remotely 'man hating' about this chat.

[@Jenny-es1mw]

💯 some people just see the word feminist and lose their minds 🤔

[@spurge83]

@@Jenny-es1mw or peole see how feminists talk about and treat men and draw their own conclusions.

[@Jenny-es1mw]

@@spurge83 How so? What was said that was so bad about men?

[@lancewalker2595]

By "entitlement" what you are referring to is a boy's desire to MATTER, to BE VALUED, to HAVE A PURPOSE; our culture openly preaches about the "obsolescence" of men, we have systemically demoralized entire generations of boys who have been told that their purpose is be NOTHING. As ever, feminism will continue to do nothing but misunderstand, and counter-productively exacerbate, the very problem they claim to address. The world has quite enough of these obsequious neurotics, the solution to this problem is VIRTUE. Fuck feminism, and it's insipid notion that being a good man means denying one's self-interest as a man. You will only persistent in your constant failure so long as you continue to make men and boys an enemy to virtue, what is good is not good merely for the sake of women and girls; boys and men, unless you have forgotten, are the primary subjects of THEIR OWN LIVES, so stop placing the "safety" of women and girls at the center of, and in opposition to, the best interest of men and boys. So I will reiterate: FUCK FEMINISM, I will be a good man because to be a good man is a GOOD THING TO BE FOR MY OWN SAKE.

[@lancewalker2595]

@@Jenny-es1mw The insipid implication that being a good man means denying one's self-interest as a man.

[@tom-vx1lp]

i really like the way both handle this subject with their witty dialogiue. very entertaining.

[@JarlOfSwot]

I always love these shows with Julie, there's always so much to think about afterwards. She has a great way of cutting through it and getting right down to the core.

[@Ann-qe6py]

Exactly, she does not fool around. I have watched all of the KZbin videos by her, and she is great on panel discussions. And I subscribe to her podcasts. I believe that she is correct - we are going through a time of extreme misogyny. Looking forward to the next Action Men series!

[@lancewalker2595]

By "entitlement" what you are referring to is a boy's desire to MATTER, to BE VALUED, to HAVE A PURPOSE; our culture openly preaches about the "obsolescence" of men, we have systemically demoralized entire generations of boys who have been told that their purpose is be NOTHING. As ever, feminism will continue to do nothing but misunderstand, and counter-productively exacerbate, the very problem they claim to address. The world has quite enough of these obsequious neurotics, the solution to this problem is VIRTUE. Fuck feminism, and it's insipid notion that being a good man means denying one's self-interest as a man. You will only persistent in your constant failure so long as you continue to make men and boys an enemy to virtue, what is good is not good merely for the sake of women and girls; boys and men, unless you have forgotten, are the primary subjects of THEIR OWN LIVES, so stop placing the "safety" of women and girls at the center of, and in opposition to, the best interest of men and boys. So I will reiterate: FUCK FEMINISM, I will be a good man because to be a good man is a GOOD THING TO BE FOR MY OWN SAKE.

[@madguruJ]

Thank fuck for that

[@TinaJuko]

We are so of an age confirmed by your laugh at strip lighting in the living room. So much that is said is my early days growing up in the 70s and 80s in the North East

[@doncholio4108]

Pretty sure the fixer was right and you smart for listening to her

[@ldevon2318]

Great!

[@cestmoi4532]

Thank you for this conversation! ❤

[@tallard666]

Truly brilliant series!

[@marleyofficialmedia]

I love Julie Bindel ❤ 🎉

[@Skankhunt42-sv1ir]

Can we have a podcast discussing why so many babies andchildren are murdered by women, please. Hardly a week goes by that a poor child in the UK isn't killed by her/his mother

[@treesart6914]

What a good idea to do these interviews. I'm looking forward to the next one.

[@TracySunshineStott]

Me too 😊

[@Ann-qe6py]

A very creative idea. And, for those who incorrectly call her a man-hater this series should prove you wrong.

[@juliaogara8794]

Excellent conversation.

[@stacyliddell5038]

Love the content. But male violence is certainly not problem number one. A small number of highly violent men cause almost all the issues. It is not all men. It is a tiny fraction of men that do the damage. Really don't like these blanket statements.

[@vanessac1721]

Well, its a tough one because in terms of percentage of population, you're right and I can sympathise with good men who feel unfairly lumped with that minority. But, if you look at the gross numbers eg in uk for year ending March 2023, 1.4 million women were victims of DV. Since I doubt many of them involved the same perpetrators, that means a little under 1.4 million men committed DV. I think as a society, we can agree that is far too many. So, the non violent men do simply need to step up and be part of the solution of at least reducing the numbers of offenders. Just like women need to recognize there are a bunch of bad apples in the female community too doing incredibly evil things to men eg false rape claims, false parental claims etc. We all need to hold each other accountable. Its very unhelpful to stick your fingers in your ears saying "well, I don't beat women". Good for you but too many men do. And thats just a fact.

[@hooligan9794]

​@@vanessac1721Can't quite understand what you are trying to say. Are you, by dint of being female, in some way responsible for false rape accusations?

[@anonymousa-uy1hk]

@@vanessac1721 FYI, these so called “false rape” claims are extremely rare. If anything, the problem is that women tend to under report their sexual assault. And, as a sexual assault survivor myself, I tend to believe the women. Many of the so called false claims you mentioned could simply be women society refused to believe because they didn’t fit the image of what a rape victim is supposed to look like. And you, also, mustn’t ignore the fact that in a “he said, she said” situation, a man’s word always carries more weight. We already have enough misogynistic men spreading these lies, we don’t need women doing any leg work for them

[@hooligan9794]

@anonymousa-uy1hk I assume you know all this by using your magical powers. This is just raw sexism. Women are wonderful people who lack any of the human faults that those evil men have. Men, on the other hand, well, they're probably all guilty anyway, evil as they are.

[@Jenny-es1mw]

You just made the exact same point in your comment 😂

[@justiceformenboys]

It's nothing short of shameful that The Spectator should give a platform to Julie Bindel, one of the most men-hating radical feminists of her generation (and that's a high bar). But then The Spectator has commissioned 50+ articles from the woman, and refused to permit us to pay for a full-page ad relating truths about domestic violence which have been known to researchers, and published, for DECADES. I've left a lengthy response to this matter on Ms Bindel's Substack. It includes hyperlinks to ONS data showing that women are almost twice as likely to be abused by female partners than by male partners, and the most violent couples are lesbian couples. Hmm, why does Ms Bindel never write about female violence? Why does The Spectator never give a platform to people who could tell the truth about domestic violence? Mike Buchanan JUSTICE FOR MEN & BOYS

[@Th3_Gael]

Needs srwiiys up voting. Keep going

[@QwentyJ]

​@@Th3_GaelNo it needs laughing at

[@justiceformenboys]

@@QwentyJ I thought that, which is why I created the "Laughing at Feminists" website.

[@00Daddy]

Yes just disgraceful

[@Larkarran]

Another wonderful talk. I'm loving these, can't wait for the next one.

[@johnwatts8346]

but i like the shining, its one of the best films ever made, coz its so real.

[@Emilyb21-dm3bf]

Also family therapy should be in school alot have no relationships with parents that are healthy and there no affordable therapy. You have a mum who work 2 jobs to survive she negkects her kid is tired cant cope and he just gets angrier snd angrier because no one is talking to him and its toxic .

[@Emilyb21-dm3bf]

Alot of kids these days are very neglected and violence amongst young boys emotional boys not having an out let and they take it out on each other. Its not just sbsant dads its over stressed financially mums who abuse their kids non of these parents are emotionally loving their kids there no outlet for deetress one kid i knew lived in a toilet in the park . Plenty of mums are over burdened and truly horrid to their kids men are usually absent.

[@lancewalker2595]

By "entitlement" what you are referring to is a boy's desire to MATTER, to BE VALUED, to HAVE A PURPOSE; our culture openly preaches about the "obsolescence" of men, we have systemically demoralized entire generations of boys who have been told that their purpose is be NOTHING. As ever, feminism will continue to do nothing but misunderstand, and counter-productively exacerbate, the very problem they claim to address. The world has quite enough of these obsequious neurotics, the solution to this problem is VIRTUE. Fuck feminism, and it's insipid notion that being a good man means denying one's self-interest as a man. You will only persistent in your constant failure so long as you continue to make men and boys an enemy to virtue, what is good is not good merely for the sake of women and girls; boys and men, unless you have forgotten, are the primary subjects of THEIR OWN LIVES, so stop placing the "safety" of women and girls at the center of, and in opposition to, the best interest of men and boys. So I will reiterate: FUCK FEMINISM, I will be a good man because to be a good man is a GOOD THING TO BE FOR MY OWN SAKE.

[@curiositycloset2359]

Dont really need feminism either, lets be honest.

[@hansiesma16]

Speak for yourself

[@guff9567]

​@hansiesma16 look closely. Those feminists are males

[@curiositycloset2359]

@@hansiesma16 I will thanks. But, after 60 odd years of destroying society. Do you think you might look in the mirror just once.

[@S3NTRY]

​@@hansiesma16what has feminism done for you lately. It's an ideology limping along on apathy.

[@hansiesma16]

@@S3NTRY if you think there’s no need for feminism I’ve never heard of the Utopia you live in. A new continent! How thrilling.

[@will121]

What utter nonsense. Didn't get past the introduction. All men bad FFS

[@ElectronicChateau]

If you didn't get past the introduction then how do you know that was all that was said?

[@Th3_Gael]

​@@ElectronicChateauI have watched it, it's all unsubstantiated old tropes and the op is right. Men bad, men bad, men bad, that's all there was

[@Larkarran]

@@Th3_Gaelyou know we can just... watch the video and see you're 100% wrong right?

[@laurenjones2909]

Men like you are so fragile your like babies 😅 women talking about women being harmed by men it's not hating on every single man grow up!

[@caoimhec7697]

Women in the domestic sphere are not the “overwhelming victims” of violence, they are often the initiators of violence, often the perpetrators of violence, both against children and men. It is estimated that only one in twenty men report the abuse they suffer at the hands of women. Perhaps a public discussion on female violence is also required.

[@mmc1086]

Idiotic comment. Men are absolutely the most common perpetrators of violence against women, children and OTHER MEN. We are talking well over 90% of domestic abuse is perpetrated by men against women. Your comment is lies.

[@Emilyb21-dm3bf]

Yes I agree but there isn't a movement supporting female violence. I would say that mothers abuse kids more emotionally but also physically. They contribute to low self esteem and violence and also hatred to women. It is ignored and should not be. The only difference is fatal as in death is usually women who die. Universally women are the victims of violence that ends in death. Laws are not supporting rape victims and porn is full of rape trafficed women girl n kids. There isn't anything supporting female violence it's just not taken as seriously as it should be tho I would say mothers who are single parents are over burdened and often neglect because of having to work two jobs but I've seen alot stop looking after their kids emotionally. But we have many institution supporting holding up male violence rape from men to women or businesses money of the sex trade.

[@justiceformenboys]

@@mmc1086 You clearly understand nothing about domestic violence. Statements like "well over 90% of domestic abuse is perpetrated by men against women" are feminist lies / propaganda with no basis in reality, and have been debunked countless times over DECADES. Check out the Partner Abuse State of Knowledge Project (2013), the largest ever review of the literature on the issue. They reported that 58% of domestic violence in heterosexual couples is bi-directional, 42% uni-directional. In the latter case the perpetrator is TWICE as likely to be the woman as the man. ONS statistics have long told us (a) women are much more likely to be abused by female partners than male partners, and (b) Violence is most commonly found in lesbian couples. Mothers are far more likely to injure and even kill their children. You clearly need educating on such issues. A good place to start would be William Collins's "The Empathy Gap: Male Disadvantages and the Mechanisms of Their Neglect". The ebook sells for under £5.00 on Amazon and elsewhere. You're welcome, have a nice day. Mike Buchanan JUSTICE FOR MEN & BOYS

[@Jenny-es1mw]

How many men have been murdered by their partners? Or by women in general ?

[@caoimhec7697]

@@Jenny-es1mw Here in Ireland it is reported that 4 women die per year, on average, due to domestic violence. 4 women in a population of approximately 2,400,000 women. If we were looking at the issue from the perspective of fatalities it would be a non issue. On average 25 men die per year in Ireland due to workplace accidents. We hear very little on the news about that issue. Domestic abuse includes emotional and financial manipulation, stalking, verbal abuse, as well as non fatal physical abuse. Women are also abusers and this is something the media ignore persistently.

[@TheSpoovy]

"Men who actually get up off their backsides and contribute to the work that feminists are doing". Tells a lot about Ms Bindel. Passive aggressive from the outset, clearly implying that men *should* be actively supporting feminists. I wonder how she would respond to a similar line cajoling women to "get off their backsides" and help men through the current crisis of suicide, depression and a dozen other crises my sex faces. I think I know the answer though, this woman has never found a subject she doesn't have a double standard on.

[@annarboriter]

Bindel says it, or rather she compels her guest to say it, that she doesn't hate men, which is true. She basically has so much contempt for men that she cannot even bother to hate us

[@Jenny-es1mw]

I don't know about you, but in my world, it is pretty much 99% of the time women seeking help for men in these instances and women picking up the pieces after 🤔

[@annarboriter]

@@Jenny-es1mw Yes, it's called confirmation bias and anecdotal data points

[@TheSpoovy]

"Women picking up the pieces" are they? I've heard this line before and it would be funny if it wasn't so revolting. It's the same one used during covid, men being more likely to die, yet women still somehow more "impacted". Or about the Ukraine war, where men are conscripted and killed en mass, yet we're told women are the real victims, as they are left to "pick up the pieces. It's disgusting.

[@annarboriter]

@@TheSpoovy It's an example of 'emotional labor' which only they see a need for and they cannot stop from doing even as they complain about not adequately being compensated for doing it all so "selflessly"

[@lomotil3370]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🤔 *Michael Conroy, founder of Men at Work, engages in a dialogue with Julie Bindel about addressing male violence and macho culture.* 01:27 📣 *Conroy emphasizes the urgency of discussing male violence, considering it a significant global issue experienced by both men and women.* 02:25 🗣️ *Describing his work, Conroy focuses on training professionals to have non-accusatory conversations with boys about resilience to negative cultural influences, including porn and gaming.* 05:37 💬 *Conroy navigates the complexities of addressing entitlement issues in boys and the potential impact on their future behavior, connecting it to discussions about incel culture.* 17:10 🔄 *Conroy advocates for supporting feminism that challenges individuals, discourages empty posturing, and emphasizes action, expressing skepticism towards political parties and urging genuine engagement with the cause.* 23:44 🏫 *Reports highlight issues like unwanted sexual encounters in schools, but lack structural outcomes and resources for intervention.* 25:22 🚸 *Men at Work, a training company, addresses the need for structural and programmatic approaches in helping boys navigate life safely.* 26:31 🌍 *The speaker emphasizes the global presence of men doing similar work and dispels stereotypes about feminists being humorless or controlling.* 27:24 🧑‍🏫 *Men at Work is a training company for anyone working with boys, focusing on positive messages and developing a compass for life.* 28:22 👚 *Wearing feminist labels or symbols is seen as less important than doing the work itself, emphasizing action over outward representation.* 29:44 🔄 *Acknowledging mistakes, learning, and allowing room for growth is essential, contrasting the current cancel culture on social media.* 30:51 🔄 *Challenging others in a way that allows for continued dialogue and growth is crucial for progress in the men's movement.* 31:46 🌍 *Researching the harms of the sex trade in South Africa, the speaker reflects on a personal experience, highlighting the importance of learning from mistakes.* 33:07 😄 *A lighthearted approach to feminism, including making jokes, is acknowledged as a way to maintain a more relaxed and approachable stance.* 34:13 🌐 *Despite differences, there's optimism about boys growing into well-rounded men, emphasizing a positive outlook for the future.* Made with HARPA AI

[@tom-vx1lp]

wow

[@kernowpolski]

Good work Julie - you have become one of my new heroes and these new interviews expand your armoury. You are calling out the new disguises of misogyny.

[@dudeonyoutube]

Too bad she ignores misandry.

[@gwangi64]

@@dudeonyoutube She's an enthusiastic proponent of that.

[@dudeonyoutube]

@@gwangi64 Aren't all feminists?

[@vickystopp6302]

Great interview Julie, look forward to seeing more 😁

[@manusha1349]

Exactly 💯! While us women appreciate support from all groups, we DON'T need "male feminists". We need strong, healthy, traditionally masculine men!

[@Emilyb21-dm3bf]

We need alot more family therapy in schools too and mental health help. Alot stems from break down of a relationship between child and parent. Mental health has no affordable therapy and offers very little at the moment

[@NearlySane101]

I'd suggest that 'traditionally masculine' carries a lot of things that women, and indeed men, don't want.

[@Emilyb21-dm3bf]

@@NearlySane101 I agree but that's why we all have to talk about it and find out the common problems of both sexes because children and single mums are both suffering from the economic shit show the most. If we can't change how the economy runs or laws against off shore accounts and giant corporations influencing corruption In parliament, we can atleàst try to build stronger communities and stronger relationships not bent on religious patriarchal power but education and respect each other contribution in the family supporting family to thrive which means less financial stress and more available therapy and getting rid of toxic porn and degrading women with these podcast that also hate older women . Marriage doesn't always last but alot are ending because of financial stress and lack of time for family and romance between husband and wife. I know alot of men political movement want Christianity back but I think religion and traditional marriage made most women esp deeply unhappy and I'm not up for enslaving an entire sex so men can be empowered most of the sexism comes from Abrahamic beliefs

[@manusha1349]

@hughmeechan8041 my dad and all the men in my family are traditionally masculine men. They're the kindest, most generous, caring individuals you'll ever meet. They live for their families. Can't think of a single thing wrong with that.

[@NearlySane101]

@@manusha1349 I'm sure your male relatives are lovely people. That isn't an argument that ideas of traditional masculinity don't cause problems for women and men.

[@hansiesma16]

Very good chat. I didn’t know Julie has been working on it for so long. These guys are unsung heroes. Just quietly getting on with this essential work.

[@lancewalker2595]

By "entitlement" what you are referring to is a boy's desire to MATTER, to BE VALUED, to HAVE A PURPOSE; our culture openly preaches about the "obsolescence" of men, we have systemically demoralized entire generations of boys who have been told that their purpose is be NOTHING. As ever, feminism will continue to do nothing but misunderstand, and counter-productively exacerbate, the very problem they claim to address. The world has quite enough of these obsequious neurotics, the solution to this problem is VIRTUE. Fuck feminism, and it's insipid notion that being a good man means denying one's self-interest as a man. You will only persistent in your constant failure so long as you continue to make men and boys an enemy to virtue, what is good is not good merely for the sake of women and girls; boys and men, unless you have forgotten, are the primary subjects of THEIR OWN LIVES, so stop placing the "safety" of women and girls at the center of, and in opposition to, the best interest of men and boys. So I will reiterate: FUCK FEMINISM, I will be a good man because to be a good man is a GOOD THING TO BE FOR MY OWN SAKE.

[@radicalcartoons2766]

Michael is the British Jackson Katz. Both have been on the chat circuit for many years. What results has their activism had, in the UK or US? They deserve to be household names, but they're not.

[@spurge83]

The men who are violent to women are not going to listen to people like Katz. The people who listen to male feminist grifters are the people who don't need to be told. You're literally saying "if we told people not to murder, there would be no murder".

[@WesternMalaise]

Can’t help thinking that the onset of ‘Feminism’ was the beginning of a domino effect of radical cultural changes which have eventually culminated in us losing our own country.

[@Jenny-es1mw]

🙄

[@Th3_Gael]

Bingo

[@peterbee88]

That bloke needs a shave. Needs to get a grip and smarten hisself up a bit.

[@SonoTom]

every living thing has had to compete to reproduce, even to survive. if you're truly concerned about the cost of machoism and other aspects of male competition, then you would necessarily commit serious effort to eliminating detriment to the natural success of individual males, generally.

[@DianInHerOrb]

It’s always a red flag when someone uses Darwinian selection to excuse bad behaviour