Why we haven't found aliens (pt 1)

This theory has keeping me up at night.
With over 10 billion earth-like planets within the Milky Way, you’d think we would have found some life out there… right!? Well, a scientific theory called the "Great Filter" might explain why. But it has some uncomfortable implications...
#shorts #alien #science

[@nahommerk9493]

"Either we are alone in the universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying." ~Arthur Clarke

[@Mailman910]

Arthur Clarke didn’t say that

[@nahommerk9493]

@@Mailman910 Yes he did.

[@marccox8977]

Aliens 👽 are definitely among us!, have you seen Dennis Rodman?

[@brianwaugaman55]

I wasn't aware this was Arthur C Clark. Thought it was Carl Sagan

[@HD-mp6yy]

​@Curious Lil Puppy One of the most influential Sci-fi writers of the last century.

[@legoverse1412]

I like the idea that because we’re millions of light-years away, aliens looked into their telescopes and saw GIANT DINOSAURS ROAMING EVERYWHERE and said “we’re going to study this one from afar”

[@paulbunyangonewild7596]

Which is hilarious, because that's what they'd see right now due to light having a speed.

[@Nehamaze]

I’ve never thought about that, I now adopt this theory as fact

[@canna-sins]

not to mention humans are stupid crazy and dangerous creatures so why would any civilised alien wanna let themselves be known to men let alone be friends??? i cant think of a single reason...

[@naverilllang]

Now we got tiny dinosaurs flying everywhere

[@acaciahariklia4268]

That’s probably why we can’t find them either let alone them find us

[@CantankerousDave]

Two words: time and distance. Folks just don't get -- really GET, deep down -- how vast space is, how slow the speed of light is in comparison, and time at cosmic scale. Intelligent life probably rises and falls all the time, but the odds of it happening at the same time and for that life to be close enough to detect each other and figure out how to communicate are literally astronomical. It's like what's happening with Betelgeuse. The dimming and flaring we're seeing actually happened 642.5 years ago, but we're only seeing it now because light is so pokey. If the star went nova today, we wouldn't know until 2665. The nature of the space-time continuum itself is the real filter.

[@scottclowe]

Two words in response: grabby aliens. If intelligent life arose and fell often, some of that intelligent life would be grabby and trying to capture all the resources in their light cone. We'd see that expansion happening in distant galaxies. And being grabby expansionists, their civilization would fracture but not fall such that the intelligent civilization collapsed in its entirety. Similar to the Dyson paradox - where are all the galaxies where all the stars were converted into Dyson spheres by K3 civilizations? Since astronomy is well explained by natural phenomena, not intelligent agents, we can conclude that humanity is early.

[@scoutisabelle]

I agree, CantankerousDave. Time and distance, and most people can't comprehend how tremendouslywidespread even just the stars in our own galaxy are. There may be thousands of "local" planets with life as intelligent or moreso than us, but unless they've approached lightspeed travel or created wormholes, we won't know about them.

[@nimeshpoudel8277]

I was going to say same

[@frogg523]

So, basically, we probably won’t be able to ever figure out or get in contact with other planets that have some form of life on them, like, ever? This world will perish without ever finding different forms of life out there? I kind of hate that.

[@pizzawhisker]

​@@scottclowe The output of the Sun converted to heat can melt the Earth in a few hours. Maybe there is more energy in a galaxy than things you could do with it, making it unprofitable or downright pointless to build dyson spheres wherever you go. Also an advanced civilization with all their needs satisfied might not find meaning in unbounded expansion.

[@wednesdayPrepper]

assuming aliens need an earth-like planet is your first mistake

[@MiddayEnglishman]

That one has me wondering as well. What we class as life is actually carbon based biology. However if plants need to be green to convert energy from the sun then surely they'd all be green all over the universe (think it based on star colour, green for orange/yellow). You got me thinking.

[@garrett6064]

It almost certainly does. A cell, the simplest form of life, is like a machine, a very complex machine that works according to the rules of biochemistry. The cell has certain requirements to function like liquid water and oxygen. To have those two things the planet has to meet certain requirements. Habitable zone, correct size, enough water.

[@SannidhiDeshpande]

*THIS* IS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING, the reason we haven't found aliens yet is cause we're not LOOKING in thw right places! There could be aliens living on planets like Venus, but we haven't found them cause we're not looking at *all* planets, we're just assuming they’re gonna be like us

[@mrevilducky]

You only think this because you don't understand real science. You're assuming there might be fire creatures or gaseous creatures in completely inhospitable environments. In reality, the most likely non carbon based life form would be silica, but due to the tenants of biochemistry, they would not be able to perform even the most basic celular replication.

[@cisummusic22]

@@SannidhiDeshpandeyeah bro, you, a nobody KZbin commenter, totally knows why we haven’t found aliens yet. You know we actually do catalogue dozens of non-earthlike exoplanets every year, right? Guess what, we haven’t found life on those either. Stop pretending you know more than anyone about anything, you literally don’t have the first idea of what you’re talking about.

[@ndknight]

I like Calvin and Hobbes' take on it: "The surest proof we have that there is intelligent life out there is that none of it has tried to contact us."

[@user-bj2ex7ow8x]

Lmao love calvin and Hobbes 😍✍️💯

[@PsycheTrance65]

thats another thing that keeps me up at night: what if telling the universe we exist is a big no-no and attracts something other alien civilizations are hiding from 💀💀💀 edit: Today i learned this is called the Dark Forest hypothesis

[@Chadow-ranger]

@@PsycheTrance65the amount of work to get to earth is not worth it to eradicate humanity

[@PsycheTrance65]

@@Chadow-ranger not if the malicious aliens' purpose is literally to find planets to exploit. since everyone else is hiding, itll even be more attractive to go for the dumbasses broadcasting their location to the entire universe

[@jonathanstrand2474]

Emotionally, humans have hardly changed in a million plus years, our Basel brain, our amygdala is our oldest brain, it can overrule our technological intelligence, yes, that would give superior aliens pause, especially if they watched us “test” 70+ atomic weapons!!!😳 Intellectually smart, emotionally stupid, especially in large groups!🙄

[@JasonB808]

Universe is so large that millions of intelligent life forms can exist, but be so far apart that they each believe they are alone in the universe.

[@quantom1827]

God only made life on Earth

[@M_ldyCheese]

​@@quantom1827 Can you prove it?

[@qsuehi]

​@@quantom1827 Source: "trust me bro"

[@quantom1827]

@@qsuehi you do realise life cant come from non life? And that God is the only reasonable answer to why we exist and why the universe exists

[@qsuehi]

@@quantom1827 Prove it

[@FalloutUrMum]

I like to imagine that aliens have enough of their own problems to deal with us right now

[@srproductions8798]

Our real problem that scientists are aware of...is sensing and detecting with time dilation....if we detect a "livable" planet a million light years away...but dont detect any advance life forms...thats because we are looking into a million years of the existence...so we literally can never see them in real time

[@laurasalazar9222]

I’m sore it has a lot to do with our incompetent politicians running this country & the industrial military complex who will use them to wage war than trying to communicate & are to farm smart to want to interact with such immature humans as a race of people led by those who only want to benefit their own pockets or do you believe everything the government tell you ?

[@Guy.mp4.]

I heard one theory that we are just early. Because it is almost impossible for life to develop before now. The reason was that the universe was too hostile and close together. Planets and stars were crashing, and black holes are sucking stuff up. This made it hard for life to have enough time to develop. Some life might have, but they probably destroyed.

[@Guy.mp4.]

After some thought, I have an analogy. Think of life as a batch of cookies. And we are in the first batch. In fact, we may be the first or one of the first cookies to finish baking (or get where we are). we can take this analogy further. As the cookies spend more time in the oven, it expands (or the civilization takes new land in space or something). And sometimes, it joins with another cookie (contacts with another civilization). However, this leads to another theory. The one mentioned in the video called the Great Filter. Even if we don't know what the filter is for us, we do know what it is for cookies. It's putting less sugar and more chocolate chips. This leads to my theory. It is that the human body is simply not meant for interstellar travel. So we were given more chocolate that sugar.

[@soulbreakerthelastmanalive]

You're right and wrong. Think of it like this we have tribes that live like our stone age ancestors today right living on the same planet. While we are in the 21st century with nukes, internet and space rockets. Think of us like the stone age people that is how aliens view us. They see us they know of us they don't deal with us. Why cause we are just basic stone age people but they do study us why simple we are fascinating. But from a far.

[@ponternal]

The most boring explanation would be that planets with life are too far apart and that advancing to the point where they can contact each other is impossible.

[@AltruisticWarrior]

Impossible, for us, for now. Who knows what the future brings.

[@sunilrud1245]

This is probably the best explanation

[@aprilmg7072]

Great Filter: Species must overcome its own greed, and not destroy its own habitat.

[@JMill77]

Definitely, we are at a point where we can overcome anything the natural world throws at us, the question is, "can we collectively decide to work together?"

[@cosmicmuffin322]

Absolutely right. And we are letting the rich kill us all.

[@musical_clementine993]

@@captain_context9991and if we can’t properly upkeep our own planet, then we don’t deserve to go to more than one. Plain as that.

[@louiseharpth1267]

It’s not a philosophical filter it’s a biological one

[@isdrakon9802]

I think thats the most agreed upon version of the great filter

[@greyowlaudio]

aliens watched our tiktoks and shorts and decided "nah this ain't it"

[@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394]

They came in 2020, saw who the president was, and his response to the pandemic and said Nah...

[@PhasmoPH0BlA]

@@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394 Why do people always have to bring politics to things?

[@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394]

@@PhasmoPH0BlA What politics? I just brought an example of something that is a lot dumber than what the op did.

[@romainsavioz5466]

​@@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394yep i can imagine the scene trump meeting the aliens

[@hopsmax2827]

@@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394 Saw who the president was? You do realize the US is not the only country in the world right. So Joe Biden is not the leader of the world.

[@floridasavannah]

My favorite Cosmic Horror Story was when they got a signal from an alien species that told us to "be quiet or they'll find you"

[@tamnker8465]

That has got to be the most terrifying message we could ever receive from space. Apart from maybe a simple “Goodbye”

[@floridasavannah]

@tamnker8465 there are two theories on why there has been no contact. 1) we haven't shouted loud enough for other groups to hear us. 2) there is a megacluster sized colonialist civilization that is eradicating all possible contacts and will get us if they have the chance. I just hope we're the Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy type of system where we get destroyed because of a new super highway, nothing malicious and they did give us notice prior to the planetary destruction.

[@I_am_a_man_of_science]

That kind of happens in "The three body problem" by Cixin liu, that was the book that hypothesized Dark forest theory, well.. the second book in the triology is named "The dark forest" too.

[@aqilaiman9739]

Probally,dr stone theory

[@kazzelho]

what story is this btw

[@coreragestudios3430]

Alien1: Are we gonna tell them? Alien2: Hell Nahh, those Mfs are way too evil to know!

[@metalneandertal26]

Grabs a handfull of ocean water: "Nope. No fish here"

[@EmperorBrettavius]

You joke, but unless we're willing to wait immense amounts of time, it's nigh impossible to make any sort of contact with anything outside of the Milky Way with our current understanding of physics. If there aren't any fish in that handful of water, there might as well not be any fish in the whole ocean.

[@johnbollenbacher6715]

Apt analogy

[@MrWeezer55]

Exactly. This is interesting to think about, but I think the biggest reason we haven't 'found' aliens is just that the universe is so freakin' HUGE!

[@stinkwink695]

More like one molecule of water.

[@melanie00ten]

Every time humans have said life couldn't exist somewhere, because we couldn't exist there, when we finally get to that place and are able to test it we find life. Then we're so shocked. It's likely that we just aren't smart enough to recognize life outside of earth. We've probably already encountered it.

[@ElizabethWarrenYeahYeah]

Nah, they've found us and realised we're not good neighbors, so they're swerving us.

[@DayUNight]

Lol

[@billykaelin6358]

To them we are like those pacific tribes or Amazonian tribes that we avoid. Those ufo sightings were the craY explorers that got shot down by arrows, however in this case an arrow was an F-16

[@geraldine8523]

⁠@@billykaelin6358​​⁠​​⁠ that is crazy racist not to mention a terrible comparison . Why do you think those tribes don’t like us?

[@billykaelin6358]

@@geraldine8523 I’m from Peru. I’ve been to the Amazon. I respect the tribes but I also avoid them because I can’t know their intentions and they might retaliate.

[@todd3143]

​@@geraldine8523that comment wasn't racist at all. the commentor didn't even mention the fact that those tribes don't like us, just that we avoid them. no shit. do you think we should contact every human society instead of just leaving some of them be in their own privacy? and they also brought up an example about how an airplane got shot with arrows because it was flying a little low (as in they were visibly seen, not close to the ground) near an indigenous settlement. race's got nothing to do with any of this. why'd you bring it into it?

[@CleoAbram]

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[@pannagasudarshan6639]

Been an OG sub since this Channel’s inception 🥺

[@marccox8977]

Aliens 👽 are definitely among us!, have you seen Dennis Rodman?

[@veritas88n4]

where do you find these wonderful graphics?

[@literailly]

Pin pin?

[@geraldmurphy321]

Style feels a bit disingenuous, sorry if that's not true but that's how I see it

[@matticus7584]

I think it's far simpler than that. Consider the duration of which we've spent actively looking beyond the stars for evidence of other life in comparison to the duration humanity has been alive. Span it into a year, we've been looking for 10 seconds

[@apollo8447]

I like Hank Greens idea that if a species gets advanced enough to know how to explore the stars, they learn its more important to just be happy, and don't.

[@Miszorov]

I don't think some humans will be happy if they can't explore the stars

[@NostalgiaforInfinity]

There's no such thing as "happiness". You either learn to be content, or just keep chasing "happiness".

[@carbunky6098]

​@@NostalgiaforInfinity Contentedness... *is* happiness

[@apollo8447]

@@NostalgiaforInfinity you must have an awful life, I hope you find your happiness one day.

[@tak0kitteh]

​@NostalgiaforInfinity read some Camus, bro. the pursuit of happiness is where happiness should lie. you MUST imagine sisyphus happy!

[@craesh]

The great filter: If the civilization is able to survive without destroying their host planet. Like any other parasite.

[@ameisweirdx]

Yea that checks out, we aint making it bois settle in cause this is it

[@sfdjk]

humans are not the parasite thats eco facist rethoric, capitalism is the problem

[@Cysfer]

​@@ameisweirdxThere's still time to revert the affects. Theoretically.

[@orbismworldbuilding8428]

Thats a possibility Though there are 2 other factors if we're using the "humans are parasites/virus" idea, and that makes it options: 1:coexist nondestructively with host planet 2:completely take over/artificize and control host planet 3:spread to other planets before we can destroy our own So with your thing, there would be 3 different strategies used to survive the great filter.

[@odessav3066]

I really hate the idea that humans are parasites. Regardless of if you believe humanity to be going in the right direction or not, calling the human race parasites is only going to make things worse

[@kaynineteen3356]

"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none have tried to contact us". Calvin and Hobbs.

[@Geojr815]

We are extremely intelligent. We just have a long way to evolve still before we are civilized enough to be accepted into the GALACTIC FEDERATION 💫

[@molybdaen11]

That's a great quote.

[@auramix3507]

Love it! EXCEPT THEY HAVE CONTACTED US! MORE THAN YOU COULD IMAGINE.

[@Donnie_is_cool]

@@auramix3507 ?

[@auramix3507]

@@Donnie_is_cool it's ALL in the Creation stories of every civilisation on Earth. Countless UFO sightings. Countless contacts. Countless Abductions. Eye Witness accounts. And now Disclosure from Governments around the world plus testimony from countless whistleblowers and government employees. The proof is literally EVERYWHERE

[@bobbackward6461]

I believe in the Dark Forest theory. They're there and they know about us, but they're keeping their distance for various reasons.

[@MiddayEnglishman]

When 1 war ends, another starts. Who wants to go on a peace mission to North Korea? What no takers? Why?

[@bobbackward6461]

@@MiddayEnglishman What does that have to do with what I just said?

[@PDXpackrat]

@@bobbackward6461wasn’t hard for me to understand. Earth is the North Korea in this example. What civilization wants to establish contact with ultra-aggressive species that just continually wars with itself, and is a possible threat to you if you make contact. It’s the Dark Forest theory.

[@NotDuncan]

They saw us and out terrified

[@Potatinized]

Can you imagine creating all these weird non-sensical designs for alien, and when we really do meet one, they looked exactly like us?

[@jennerbug27]

Why does this seem creepier?! 😱

[@spidergameryt4557]

I don't think they'd look very far from us

[@yareyaredacat9943]

The real ones know that aliens look like crabs

[@R_J_VLOG_]

You forgot one thing what of alien are non intelligent being and we discovered them, so that means we discover alien animals

[@redrackham6812]

I'm pretty sure we can imagine that, because a lot of people have. Aliens that look human are extremely common in science fiction. Consider Superman, or other alien races from DC comics like the Rannians or the Thanagarians. Or the Kree in Marvel comics. A lot of the aliens in _Star Trek_ look like human beings with forehead ridges or pointed ears. Back in the original series, Klingons looked human enough that a Klingon could pass as human in "The Trouble with Tribbles" (that was before the Klingons got forehead ridges).

[@thenerdbeast7375]

I imagine the "great filter" is immortality because lets face it it'd take way too long to travel through space as a mortal creature you'd have to have generations be born and die on a trip in order to accomplish anything not to mention wear and tear on equipment means space ships could just tear apart before reaching most destinations which also rules out robots carrying on the torch for us. So unless some sort of portal shortcut in physics is discovered travel throughout the universe is pretty much impossible.

[@tomfurey9062]

In terms of robots, it's not too far of a stretch to imagine a time where self repairing and replicating robots with an array of narrow ai or a near human level general ai could stop at various points to refuel and repair In terms of humans, not immortality but radical life extension to the point of 200 years isn't something that is too crazy either. The main problem is speed, currently technology would allow our fastest ever spacecraft to get to the nearest star in 7000 years but if we could even reach 10% of light speed it would become 43 years. All 3 of those things could be foreseeable in maybe just a century or two so it's likely not a great filter to not have immortality or close to it.

[@JacobP81]

Right!!! Great point!!!

[@JacobP81]

​@@tomfurey9062 Don't forget time dilation in the calculation of the travel time. Also it could be cyborgs. Humans have already gotten into cybernetics so maybe future generations will be cyborgs. And with advancement of medical and biological technology so they can live for hundreds and hundreds of years.

[@tomfurey9062]

@@JacobP81 I was just thinking of gene editing and manipulation really for life extension as even cybernetic enhancements would require it for longer lives. Getting rid of cancers, dementia diseases and reducing gene replication damage that causes aging

[@Birdlegs14]

Mortality not immortality

[@artypyrec4186]

I like the dark forest theory. You don't know what's in the dark, either you're alone or you're being watched

[@byjercam]

You like it?!? The dark forest theory is the stuff of nightmares. I recommend the Three Body Problem book series. Really puts the terror into perspective.

[@Gentleman...Driver]

@@byjercam But then again: Forrests seem dangerous and scarry at night. But they really arent. That would be a good thing on a galactic scale, I guess?... hopefully?

[@SonOfaSlth]

@@Gentleman...Driverwhat forest do you frequent that isn’t dangerous at night? There’s a reason we dwell in artificial caves.

[@Gentleman...Driver]

@@SonOfaSlth European forrests... last time I was in one I havent seen a Saber-toothed Cat or a Mamooth. Most predators we have dont go near camp fires at night. And even if they do, we humans can protect ourselves quite well. Even with spears or bows or knives.

[@geminievil]

​@@Gentleman...Driver european forests don't represent all forests tho lol forests ARE dangerous and scary at night, even if some of them somehow aren't

[@LalChand-dt3lf]

I like your way of explaining ❤

[@shreydhorajiya4923]

There are three possibilities: We're rare, we're first or we're fucked. -Tim Urban

[@jbear3478]

I wonder if we are first. We're relatively early compared to how old the universe will be. We could have ended up once the universe was trillions of years old, but we didn't. We ended up here, with our own planet already being a third the age of the entire universe.

[@group555_]

We also just suck at detecting aliens because the only way to prove something is aliens is by proving it can not be anything else which is almost if not full impossible with how little we can see and sense that far out.

[@DD-uf2uo]

Three possibilities, I think I know which one it is. 👽 .

[@IONATVS]

tho “we’re rare” and “we’re first” are kinda the same ultimately-because either means getting to our stage of life is absurdly hard (or at least has been, it may or may not be getting easier), so there’s no others that have gotten to the communicating stage within the “light cone” of places we can currently observe. ie whether we’re *actually* first or not, we’re close enough it’s a moot point.

[@IONATVS]

And “we’re fucked” could mean either “we’re likely all gonna die before we see anyone else b/c the Great Filter’s still ahead” or “the aliens are out there, but there’s a reason nobody else was dumb enough to talk to us”. which I’d say are pretty different solutions to the Fermi Paradox, but DO both mean we’re fucked.

[@karenellis5498]

The big assumption is that all life evolves like we do… just because we haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it isn’t out there.

[@OverRule1]

Also we are assuming there will be no more filters after we evolve enough but really the filters will only keep coming and get more complex

[@brandonweeks]

If we evolved from monkeys like the theory of evolution says, then why are there still monkeys?

[@stinkwink695]

The biggest assumption is that life hasn't only made it past the first filter once, we have no idea the odds of passing any of the filters let alone multiple. You need atleast 2 examples of something to begin to calculate the odds of occuring. The odds of life could be one in a billion planets or one in a trillion universes. Our existence tells us exactly zero about whether or not other life exists in the universe.

[@melanie00ten]

Or that any life must resemble us and/or have the same requirements. We make stupid assumptions.

[@roelinkabek9286]

​@melanie00ten yes. We need to let go our requirements for life. On other planets those could ne completely different

[@adarkmessenger8443]

We are the ghetto of the universe. Any Alien with a brain would roll up those windows, make sure those space doors are locked and keep driving. "No honey, we don't stop in this part. " *Little Alien in the back with its face pressed against the glass. *

[@STARBIRD3000]

My personal “fun” theory is that thanks to grabby aliens, they’re already everywhere, but we just haven’t seen them because they’ve designated our planet as a sort of nature preserve so their scientists can naturally study the cultural and technological evolution of a species. Kind of a crackpot theory, I know, but it’s much less terrifying than the alternatives

[@beanbugi]

​@@STARBIRD3000thats kinda comforting in a way if it's true cuz it means the aliens dont want to attack us and just observe us instead

[@lorifintel9784]

​@@STARBIRD3000started theory is what I always call it.

[@janeschwab1682]

*driving through space with the windows down* *gets to earth* roll 'em up

[@CertifiedClapaholic]

That's a pretty random guess based on absolutely nothing but your limited experience. For all we know, we could be the most peaceful form of intelligent life. You truly can't say that we're the ghetto without even having any other reference point to compare us with. Even then, you would need a lot more than just one other reference point. Besides, combat is as necessary for survival as eating and breathing. God, aka the Universe, wouldn't have created us in such a way if it weren't vital.

[@willydomaracki4073]

Thank you. I love watching the shorts you make.

[@alexojideagu]

Saying we've looked for life in our galaxy is like dipping a glass in the ocean and saying well, I looked for a fish in my glass but didn't find any in the ocean.

[@IanM-id8or]

Don't know about you, but having investigated several glasses of water, I am convinced there are no whales ;-)

[@alexojideagu]

@@IanM-id8or Haha damn it! My theory predicted Whales exist 😖

[@VintageVantage79]

And we’re not even close to exhausting the search within the Milky Way…

[@darkforestinc]

fish eggs and whale sperm

[@stevedwyer8333]

More likely, they're already here, a million years ahead of us, and view us as baboons not worth revealing themselves to us.

[@pineapple-xx1vp]

If you were in the hunger games and you knew someone was in a bush near you, but you did not know who they were or their intentions, and you had a vow and arrow, you would likely shoot them before they could shoot you. This translates to intergalactic scale, as it could be every species lives in fear of every other species for lack of knowledge. The reason the universe seems so quiet is because all the loud ones are dead. Edit: it’s called the dark forest theory, thanks replies

[@jcdenton7261]

Dark forest theory

[@casperl6437]

​@@jcdenton7261and the most likely theory

[@axolotlo2]

@@casperl6437or what if we’re one of the first species who have progressed to such a technological level?

[@IDKwhyimhere675]

@@axolotlo2considering how long the universe has been around for i doubt that we’re one of the first

[@RaffleRaffle]

​@@IDKwhyimhere675the universe is actually young, iirc life came to he here as soon as it was possible

[@theksaboi]

The moment we stop killing eachother is the moment when we become advanced civ

[@XaviRonaldo0]

There are near 8 thousand million of us. Killing each other in the relatively small numbers that even WW2 did isn't an issue. Of course we didn't have WoMD until the very end of that war though.

[@spaceman7915]

Yep same biology, different kidology

[@DarthPIagiarism]

yeah shit we're never becoming an advanced civilization

[@SpiritEZ]

Right! Once we as humans stop basing our thoughts from scarcity, survival, selfishness, and fear. That’s when we will become advanced enough for aliens.

[@NOU-iw3gb]

Where is your proof?

[@aggressivelyzoe]

this is why i’ve always been totally fine with us not finding aliens lol. if we find them there’s a greater chance the great filter is ahead of us rather than behind us

[@bexlaw3127]

They probably took one look at us and decided they didn't want to deal with our bullshit.

[@EikottXD]

Or we are basically reality TV to them lol

[@nicholaskarnes1186]

you know what you are right, and i can't blame them lol.

[@nela9994]

"They communicate by flapping meat at each other?" -one of the greatest Fermi Paradox stories ever.

[@ixagonczi]

I mean if I were them then I would just hack our phones microphones and cameras and just watch how fing stupid we can be

[@grantmartin5140]

Lol or catch chip and release back into the wild

[@basilharrison3071]

The Dark Forest hypothesis is SOOOOO much more terrifying than the great filter. We could have passed the filter, we could be right on the cusp of it, we could literally be the first consciousness to look outwards. But there’s only one way to find out if yelling out in a dark forest brings our own demise

[@zuterwer1835]

I've heard that one, but the problem is, we've already shouted. There is a big bubble of radiowaves expanding from earth. Radiosignals and TV signals, that are slowly expanding. We even sent out A capsule with information, specifically to attract attention and to inform aliens of our biology. If we wanted to stay silent, it's too late for that. Also: It's kind of the most pessimistic answer. Are we really going to be scared of the possibility of finding other living species that we won't even dare to call out?

[@yamato4271]

Wouldn't the dark forest hypothesis be a filter in of itself? Another obstacle from which we have to consider whether we expand our horizons or hide in the shadows avoiding potential danger. It could very well be the great filter for all we know. The most obvious answer to the great filter would be time. Surpassing the time it would take to overcome the odds in order to grow. Time is a slow and insidious killer, just like overconfidence both of which will be the downfall of civilizations to come.

[@sammcrae8892]

Read : Forge of God, and Anvil of Stars by Greg Bear -- it lays out the dark forest thing really well. WHY is it dark and quiet in the forest? Cuz those who call out -- Hey! Is anybody here!? Don't last long. But of course we have been sending out messages and making a lot of noise -- probably just a matter of time.

[@caber1487]

@@yamato4271you didn’t just make a Darkest Dungeon reference did you

[@yamato4271]

@@caber1487 maaaaaybe

[@MoteItBe3x3]

We’re probably just a reality show to aliens. How will they continue to absolutely screw themselves now ? Find out on the next episode of EaRtH.

[@SquidSqui]

I like the theory that Earth is a prison for us. Our ancestors were dropped here as imprisonment and just left to fend for ourselves.

[@ValidT]

Someones been watching south park

[@aydenshahraki1084]

@@SquidSquisome aot type situation

[@deesid4411]

“Did they really start another war, come on that was season 12 this show is getting BORING”

[@abigailgriffin-wc3fm]

some dystopian comedy show for them

[@daniellarge9784]

The size of the universe, its constant expansion, low density of matter and the speed of light as the maximum velocity of anything, including information.

[@josecamara9517]

Time coupled with distance is the ultimate filter at all scales

[@JorgeM270]

Yeah I would imagine there are advanced civilizations out there, but the universe is so vast that no two alien species can interact with each other

[@QuesoCookies]

Right, it's probably the case that we'll never be able to transfer matter faster than light, so even if we did finally encounter aliens, they'll probably be so far away that any sort of relationship with them would be virtually impossible. Like, what kind of communication could you even accomplish when the response time is several hundred years or more?

[@Safiyyrh]

@@QuesoCookiesDamn you’re really smart. Your comment is deep and insightful

[@fatalityin1]

@@QuesoCookies With our current rocket technology it would only take 1 million years to completely colonize the milky way, albeit it would most likely be just AI and our genetic material. If we were to introduce nuclear weapons in space for a nuclear propulsion engine (we only know about for 50 years), we could reduce it to 200k years. So, no, the problem of the Fermi Paradox still exists. Why has nobody so far colonized the milky way?

[@l3layze]

This makes sense to me too. I've also thought that, given the VAST amount of time the universe has been around, that no two advanced civilizations have existed at the same time.

[@kiyoraka3537]

i like to imagine that our little sector of the galaxy is like one of those neighborhoods you make sure your windows are rolled up and your car is fully locked in lol

[@Gentleman...Driver]

@@ShannonBarber78 But that would be a waste of ressources. Why would someone do that in a galactic measurement? Like, why not kill the violent part in the DNA and make it perfect? If a species has developed interstellar space travel, then they certainly can do manipulate DNA...

[@AngelDeJesus-m3c]

Maybe they have a hundred arms and invested the aerosol deodorant before they invented the wheel(Adams-HHGTT Galaxy)😂

[@Sujay95]

​@@Gentleman...Driverr/wooosh

[@Sujay95]

​@@Gentleman...DriverInterstellar space travel and DNA editing are like perfume and window. Not even remotely related to each other.

[@Gentleman...Driver]

@@Sujay95 His theory was litterally that aliens took "the bad part of DNA" and placed it on our planet. If you could do that, you could also eliminate the "bad part of DNA". And then you wouldnt have to place it on a habitable world. If you still want to store it somewhere, it would have been better to store it on a dead moon or something. In a shelf. And not experimenting with it lightyears from your home, only to forget about it. I assume a species that can do interstellar space travel would be smarter then this.

[@Ellie-jx8jt]

My best guess is that there are still lots of filters ahead of us, like War, climate change, surpassing the speed of light, y’know stuff like that

[@paulharrisonadventuregearm5457]

😅 dude you are behind the science..aliens are visiting earth in droves.

[@weeb3856]

@@paulharrisonadventuregearm5457Let me humbly give you some advice; for the love of all that is holy and supernatural, stop defining your entire personality around the fact that you believe that “aliens” (or whatever term you prefer) have or have been or are currently visiting us, mere apes, here on our little dirt ball. It’s fascinating and certainly not implausible to think and honestly believe that, but you have absolutely no definitive, empirical evidence for that to be the case, so you talking and iterating your point as if it’s “science” and that it has long been proven is not helping your nor the arguments case; rather it’s making people turn against and disbelieve some of the oddities that has happened, that may actually be of some value to the argument that “aliens” exist and are visiting. Please get a better grasp of what serious science actually is. Thank you and keep your curiosity going! 😊

[@nononsensegames]

YTs stupidest comment.

[@Number16BusShelter]

@@paulharrisonadventuregearm5457 Can confirm, a drove off aliens just passed me by last night.

[@totemg763]

@@paulharrisonadventuregearm5457can confirm, I just kissed an alien yesterday 👍

[@Random_Nobody_Official]

Imma guess that the great filter is surviving the damage we have done to the planet...

[@dwagon41]

Seriously, if you were a highly evolved alien species and you discovered a planet where violent primates fight each other for completely petty reasons, you would 'Nope!' the hell out of that solar system as well.

[@DefinitelyNotAFerret]

Really? I’d pull up some popcorn and a telescope and enjoy some entertainment

[@nottheone582]

This is what I think too. They're waiting to see if we can evolve past nuclear war phase

[@Journal2Awakening]

Exactly..we humans are the threat because we are barbarians who kill those who disagree with us… some have evolved but the majority haven’t yet

[@Leekodot15]

Imagine they find one of those violwnt primates on their ship simply because said violent primate is tired of all the violent primates being so violent. You know... like MOST violent primates. And I'm not making fun of anyone here, we are absolutely still a violent species, I'm just saying - no, _begging_ these aliens to take me with them.

[@MrNicePotato]

That’s a pretty human centric view. If I see ants would I care about what they are arguing about or fighting for? We are just ants on a damp rock who have barely left their atmosphere.

[@dmaikibujin]

Personally, I like the analogy that how we are treating alien life in space is like walking into the ocean, scooping up a cup of water and then claiming there are no fish in the ocean... In galactic time we haven't even been looking for a nanosecond and the space we've been looking in is insanely tiny.

[@royalrice5191]

That actually sounds pretty valid, and since we don’t really have the tools to actually tell what life looks like, since we have a sample size of 1; Earth.

[@kawaiidoggo]

@@royalrice5191but what’s more idiotic is that people think aliens can see us. the property of light acts the same way for them as they do with us. when we see exoplanets that can be habitable, we see a planet thousands, even millions, years ago. aliens see earth thousands or even millions or even billions years ago. they may see dinosaurs or formation of earth. i don’t think these great filter theory really hold up when we barely begin to search our universe and basically the scale of our universe makes it almost practically impossible to search in short period of time. it will take ages (sun probably would’ve gone supernova by then) before we are able to get good size of observations with our current technology and understanding of the universe

[@prxncesslea]

extremely well said!

[@falsevacuum4667]

I disagree. We literally can look as far back as a few hundred thousand years after the Big Bang. We have mapped the entire observable universe. We would have detected signs if there were any. It's not just about listening for radio waves.

[@ashtonbrown7608]

Well technically we know more about space than the ocean. Wth is galactic time 💀time works the same everywhere and much more

[@reallymakesyouthink]

I can imagine aliens checking up on us to see how advanced we are. "You guys are still burning coal? We'll check up on you later"

[@WasabiJohn]

Yes! I think the person who first uttered the saying, "common sense isn't that common!" was thinking just that...

[@asatsuki9250]

i mean if the aliens were smart enough to actually observe us, they would understand the concept of light years and adjust their assumptions accordingly. like "oh if we're seeing them with coal now, and we are X light years away, then right now they must be at this stage of civilization."

[@SabziKooKoo]

Can you imagine if earth was like the universes last uncontacted tribe. Everyone else has advanced technologies and they’re just like ahh don’t bother those primitive beings 😅

[@jfurl5900]

You think that burning coal would be the turn off ? Not all the wars and other disagreements ? Why would they come here to only be another point of difference amongst the tribes and religions.

[@XChara01]

@@asatsuki9250true

[@_evelynjoy_]

I LOVE THE GREAT FILTER THEORY. I was first introduced to it through the context of consciousness. Then I heard about it with the idea of aliens. Another theory I like, is that because we are an expanding universe, it is simply impossible for us to have reached other solar systems, especially in limited time we have actually had space travel. It would take multiple life times of space travel to reach other life baring planets, and within that, the distance these planets exist from us is constantly getting further and further away. You could apply the great filter theory to this as well though. Whose to say higher speed travel or teleportation isn’t a filter?

[@QQ-nd3qq]

I believe every solar system that evolves life also possesses its own Oort Cloud. The Oort Cloud will periodically bombard the evolving planet, so any life forms there are on a time table and must evolve quickly enough to deal with this situation, or be destroyed.

[@joshbras9400]

The Great Filter: Don't blow yourselves up before learning efficient space travel.

[@adventurefaps9571]

Or completely render your planet uninhabitable.

[@joshbras9400]

@@adventurefaps9571 Meh potato potato

[@ryans3442]

We are on the verge of failing that one big time

[@kevinwoodrobotics]

😂

[@MatthewMilligan-v7n]

Have link in my profile playlist that may help disclosure

[@turtle4llama]

My preferred solution to Fermi's paradox is Space Big

[@Synthwave89]

This is the most likely truth, most "advanced" civilizations like ours can't traverse the monster that is cosmic space. But the counter is that a civilization more advanced than us should theoretically be able to bypass that limitation at some point through things like wormholes or such, so maybe they either don't exist or they don't want to or care to contact us.

[@gunitgrover4365]

doesnt work due to a simple yet fun reason , time very very very long , about 2 billion years big , consideringwe've managed to land a person onto a stellar body within 20 years of discovering the atom's structure . A species similar to ours would have invented near light speed travel by now

[@deedressler6295]

Still Big Very Big

[@davidwatkins8016]

Species have a finite lifespan.

[@paulharrisonadventuregearm5457]

Not that big ... aliens are already visiting

[@britbongtankie]

Any aliens who are capable of interstellar travel are so advanced that they don't consider us important enough to contact

[@louisj2256]

Being advanced doesn't mean you'd lose interest in 'lesser' species. After all, we are still very interested in studying and understanding all species less 'advanced' than we are.

[@Gladius-NL]

@@louisj2256exactly this, just think about how we would also be thrilled to find even a single celled organism. Or even just some basic amino acids.

[@cazrealist1]

Why would an alien race spoil their fun and make themselves known when they can just watch the idiocracy play out

[@MathPatath]

We are just a Truman show to them

[@Willy_Warmer]

@@louisj2256 that’s assuming they are similar to us. You’re so close minded

[@adrianjameSASbury]

The escape velocity of a habitable planet is often overlooked. If Gravity is too great, then getting into Space just isn't possible.

[@karlmarx828]

“Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.” -Bill Watterson

[@Journal2Awakening]

Huh? Just ignore all the contact stories why don’t ya

[@aetho]

Karl Marx? How ya doing?

[@karlmarx828]

@@aetho Fine, except for Stalin who keeps making fanfiction of my work!

[@aetho]

@@karlmarx828 ugh.. very rude from him.

[@karlmarx828]

@@Journal2Awakening Yes I am going to ignore all of them

[@SeanGarrett-y8x]

I like the reason given in one of the Star Trek episodes with the traveller where he is asked, why have you never visited us before in the past. His answer was you simply weren’t interesting enough LOL

[@tiffanyh629]

Ah, that reminds me of this timeless tweet/post/internet thing: "Stop sending messages, they'll find us."

[@gaetanodepaola2ndchannel179]

I mean at this point, if they exist, they definitely already discovered us, we leave behind such a big and loud footprint in so many ways (radio signals, light waves, etc.)

[@Skana]

​@gaetanodepaola2ndchannel179 Actually our light is negligible and radio signals eventually blend into background noise at a far enough distance. Plus any signal we make can only travel at the speed of light. Aliens looking for us would have an easier time looking for signs of life in earths atmospheric gasses thousands of years ago and accidentally stumbling upon us when they get here.

[@slothman7731]

I believe it was a joke but became creepypasta. Nice read iirc

[@AiceQream]

True some theory suggests that aliens that already have advanced technology might be able to sense our signal but are refusing to cooperate due to our inferiority 😂 ​@@gaetanodepaola2ndchannel179

[@DustinBones69]

I think it was from Bob's Burgers. 🍔

[@jsldj]

"They're not interested in Earth. Too primitive." Deana Troi

[@TheShimmy12]

You have to keep in mind, it's not necessarily one filter. "The great filter" can reference a system of many filters. While we may pass the next filter, that still leaves room for more things we need to get past. We can never know until we pass them all

[@pdunwin]

Her graphic literally shows multiple filters. And you're right that there might always be more. There have plausibly been enough intelligent species out there, though, that it's not super plausible that several of them haven't gotten past all of ours and several of the next ones, millions of years before us. So, as Fermi said, where are they?

[@Rabbinicphilosophyforthewin]

By the same token, we’ll have our answer as soon as doomsday arrives. Every time I turn on the news, I’m more certain it’s nearly here.

[@RandomRothbardian]

Or maybe the universe was inhospitable until 100MYA

[@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep]

Really doesn't matter because it's all nonsense. Life can't will itself into existence or "evolve." Mindless unguided process can't create information far less the information replicator. It's all nonsense. Product of a mind requires a mind, God. If God wanted to create life across the galaxy and universe we'd already see it. Universe was not designed in such a way as we can clearly see. It was clearly fine tuned for just this planet we are on and is hostile everywhere else.

[@jamesleon4883]

or its most likely that the universe is so vast and life so rare that you won't find anything at present technological level. we have only had technology to detect stuff in space for under a hundred years. Why would we expect to see aliens?

[@All90sKidsNeedTherapy]

They’re just hiding from us. We’re not at their level yet 😂

[@mykstreja8648]

They don't have to hide. We haven't achieved the technology to see them yet. When we develop the technology to view Pluto in real time, we might be close enough to catch them in the act.

[@rorydaines3176]

i'm addicted to this channel.

[@thierrykaslan2756]

I too love science

[@ChadFranzen]

I lean toward the fact that everything in the Universe is VERY spread out, and humans have been around for such a small amount of time compared to the rest of the Universe, that we just haven't run into another species that happens to be able to communicate with us, while also being alive during the infinitesimally small window of time that humans have been around. There's also the possibility that they exist in a plane that we're not aware of, or speak a language we're unable to detect, etc.

[@bompingdatwomper]

The story in dead space is really existentially horrifying. It basically about how our whole species is a series of species that develop and gets farmed for food in this galaxy. The species of galactic apex predators just wait until our civilization gets big enough and then dines on our civilizations

[@bn6128]

Effort/reward ratio of humans is pretty piss poor. According to your idea, wouldn't they pick a dinosaur or a whale? The effort to kill and available meat for consumption is much better with the above mentioned or even a cow. Humans would fight back with nuclear weapons and have hardly any meat.

[@bompingdatwomper]

@@bn6128 no it's not an individual species or a single planet. They have some technology or understanding of biology that turns flesh into monsters. The more biomass = bigger monsters. Eventually an entire planet's biomass gets converted into a giant flesh monster. This is how they reproduce. It's not like they arrive and declare war. It starts out as a simple infection, that turns into an epidemic, and then quickly into a pandemic. Imagine what a sperm cell does to an egg, that's dead space.

[@bitchcraftwitch351]

@@bn6128maybe not for food but maybe we are being “farmed” for inspiration for new ideas of technology and innovation or new forms of art or philosophy. Maybe we are a research project for ideas 🤷🏻

[@bn6128]

@@bitchcraftwitch351 if they're capable of interstellar travel and seeking inspiration from us for art, philosophy, ideas, etc. It'll be like humans looking to ants for all those..... Sorry, your thoughts just wouldn't stack up.

[@birb7353]

@@bn6128 I'm not convinced their idea is probable, either. But we have taken inspiration from ants to progress science. Ants are training artificial intelligence, advancing robotics, and revealing new adaptive materials. Even human philosophy has experienced immense growth as we've reflected on the lives of less complex life. We have always looked to animals and how they live to inspire how we should live. It's not absurd to think a civilization with the resources and curiosity to develop and maintain an "interstellar highway" would expend some of their resources to experiment on other planets. Again, I don't believe that's likely, but I wouldn't write off someone who'd consider it.

[@Some_Dude16]

I think aliens have found us and decided that they would prefer to go elsewhere

[@username172]

They found reddit and twitter threads and said "nah, lets bounce"

[@Some_Dude16]

@@username172 fr

[@lunalgaleo1991]

Honestly, can you blame them? 😂

[@sirdurtle9519]

We've sent out a lot of messages to other solar systems and planets. One day, we receive a response: "Be quiet, they'll find you"

[@poncoolride]

I think its going to be more along the lines of "go F#$& yourselves, and quit making so much noise "

[@jaxionmaxomus4315]

@@poncoolridecomplete with a baby crying in the back 😂😂😂

[@louishermann7676]

I respect the reference. Then one angry Chinese lady sends back a message, "Thats the point, these people suck. Humanity is irredeemable. Invade us. Thus the Trisolaran invasion began.

[@Phasma6969]

that's scary lol

[@shaggystoner5235]

Shit not the Dark Forrest Theory! 💀

[@don63]

Zephram Cochrane has to create his warp drive signature to get the Vulcans attention.

[@EvilZ2009]

I remember a discussion where a scientist basically said that we have explored the equivalent of a glass of water in an entire ocean and so for the time being all we have to look upon is that glass of water to determine if life exist outside of our solar system...

[@DaveMiller2]

She told that to Neil DeGrasse Tyson. It was the only time I ever saw the guy at a loss for words.

[@HoneyTone-TheSearchContinues]

We haven’t really explored. Voyager 1 has been heading away from Earth for 43 years and counting. It is just now getting to edge of our solar system.

[@McCarthyJohn100]

​@HoneyTone-TheSearchContinues and getting through the kuiper belt and the oort cloud. It's expected to take 300 years to reach the edge of the oort cloud and 300,000 years to traverse it. Hopefully, we have better technology before then if humans still exist.

[@LilMordan]

The great filter is ourselves and if we are able to cooperate together and unite when things get hard or if we will destroy ourselves.

[@valkyrie_592]

​@@ShannonBarber78not necessarily. Depends on how we continue to build upon that principle

[@samirSch]

@@ShannonBarber78 The more likely filters is that Klaus Schwab and his WEF friends will have 90% of us exterminated and the surviving 10% enslaved eating bugs while they do the most perverse and terrible things to children in the new Epst31n Island.

[@Dennis4official]

The great filter for a species is to be aware that the point of living is not to expand, grow and sacrifice… It is to simply live life with the point of feeling happy and complete which Humans will most likely never do as we are too focused on gaining power and control.

[@Lusyphel]

The thing is, even if 85% of the galaxy were under a galactic empire, if the solar system was untouched, there is high chances that they didn't even spotted it. The entire system. There is enough room in the galaxy for them to past next to us without noticing a thing.

[@ARCAD3BLOOD]

We live in a big void. One of the largest, if not the largest one. Even if there would be some scary galactic empire, getting to us is already a challenge.

[@Lynn-rv4ty]

i like to imagine that they know about us and keep tabs on us kinda like a hamster in a cage or something lol

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

Or, animals living on a nature preserve?

[@jvar_DC09]

I have a similar thinking. Like Star Trek’s no-contact rule

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

@@jvar_DC09 " a hamster in a cage" implies that they care about our well being. If we are more like a pack of rabbits, deer, voles or even a hornet nest that live in the forest beyond their back yard, they may be fairly indifferent to us, Or even consider us to be an unpleasantness that is just not worthy of being dealt with. At least not at the present. But, I repeat my opinion that they are probably entirely different than us, to the point that we would not compete for the same resources (such as inhabitable planets to colonize), and if we did encounter each other, we would not interact very much. Am I wrong? Maybe. 🤷🏼‍♂️ I say the _facts are_ we don't have any way of knowing, at this time in our history.

[@nopers369]

Imagine if the 'big bang' wasn't the start of the universe, but it was rather the event that sterilized our local version of the universe.

[@Akshay_PJO]

Yeah I forget what the theory is called (maybe the Big Bounce theory), but it says that "THE" Big Bang was simply "a" Big Bang. The universe continuously expands until a certain point, then it collapses under it's own infinite gravity, forms an infinitely massive black hole, opens into a white hole, then restarts the entire process with a new big bang. Though I do think this theory has been denounced by some new research.

[@chaosh7040]

As spirits I believe we were all around for the Big Bang... & I don't believe it was the 1st one we were around for (or even the biggest)... Oh look...another Big Bang... whose birthday are we celebrating this time?

[@voightkampffchamp]

Sterilized? What does that mean?

[@nopers369]

@@voightkampffchamp void of life

[@PinsinceYT]

the great filter is like a achievement board that you gotta do to progress, everythings a game bruh 🙏🙏😭😭😭

[@JCWren]

We're all living in a simulation. We'll find the aliens when whatever's running the simulation loads the Alien Life expansion pack.

[@tonysteel4339]

In the next world update

[@liviwaslost]

Bruh

[@JustAnotherSeeker]

Those who preordered get early access.

[@eileenconway2966]

This is a giant game of The Sims and our creators have removed the hypothetical pool ladder

[@BooksRebound]

By that logic, the people running the sim would be the aliens. Unless we passed some threshold where they eventually saw us as real people too

[@ericnelson4540]

If that keeps you up at night, don't look into "The Dark Forest"

[@RandomGuy41511]

its not scary at all tbh

[@DoctorMobius]

Imagine how humans would behave if we suddenly discovered a new resource-rich continent with a relatively primitive local species

[@prxncesslea]

this the realest comment tho. i have a feeling theyd act exactly like that. unless the aliens are extremely emotionally intelligent and decide to show mercy and spare us. but then again maybe emotion is special to humans. what if some aliens arent even capable of feeling emotions?

[@LandkreuzerPRatte-ov1rc]

​@@prxncessleaAs a professional stellaris player, I can confirm that they don't care and they're going to orbital bombard us and send skyscraper sized mechs

[@mmuleserage550]

Remember Africa? Oh wait...

[@MarcBernard-ej8sl]

Yup. That is absolutely fascinating. I often ponder these types of things. The abyss they represent is irresistible and profoundly calls to the little boy in me.

[@spacecase0]

when I saw the icon for the video I was pretty sure you were going to say we found them already but we decided to call them dinosaurs so we ignored the fact that they were pretty much alien

[@CleoAbram]

hahah it won't let me change any thumbs on shorts!

[@CantankerousDave]

Cephalopods, with their distributed brains, are way more alien than dinosaurs.

[@TLguitar]

​@@CleoAbramI remember it was possible to change a short's thumbnail through the desktop browser version of KZbin Studio, although I've just checked and it now says "For now, you can’t change the thumbnail on your Short". Perhaps that's a new "defeature" for some reason as I found this recent answer on Google's website: "Another top feature request is beginning to roll out! Creators on Android: During video creation, you can choose a frame from your Short to be used as the thumbnail for your video *To try this out:* *Record or import a video with the Shorts camera then navigate to the final upload screen *Tap the pencil icon that is overlaid over the thumbnail of your video *Scrub along your video’s timeline to pick a thumbnail then hit ‘Done’ *Upload your Short! Note: It’s not currently possible to change the thumbnail after your Short has been uploaded, but we look forward to bringing this feature to you in the future"

[@JustAnotherSeeker]

@@CantankerousDave Imagine if they actually cared for their offspring and passed down their knowledge. Now that’s a scary thought.

[@zimzimph]

​@@TLguitarbut the video is already out, so how's it a defeature? Your source explains the current situation. Able to pick one before uploading, not after

[@Glory2Arstotzka]

I like the idea that the three body problem presents: that there's life everywhere, but they're all quiet because of how easy destruction is. Even if you do manage to come into contact with another civilization, your peace is held together by an unsteady mutually assured destruction, so the best option is to avoid contact or neuter yourself as to not be a target.

[@BjerkeRobin]

Interesting. I just started listening to this book today, having never heard of it before... and within 6 hours I come across a comment on youtube referencing it 😅 Observational bias is weird, man 👍

[@jefflebowski3784]

Yep, the dark forest. It makes exquisite sense.

[@CarFreeSegnitz]

The dark forest is a paranoid dead-end. Sure, by the dark forest we shouldn’t attempt to contact others. But sufficiently advanced civilizations should be able to detect us. For 2 billion years our atmosphere has given away that there’s life here. By the dark forest theory anyone within a thousand lightyears should have sterilized the Earth any time in the last 2 billion years. Dark forest would necessitate that humanity cease any further technological development lest we make ourselves even more conspicuous. If we were to build a Dyson swarm we’d become blazingly obvious. We might get away with expanding ourselves to subsurface colonies on other celestial bodies. Or we vastly increase our cadence. Build overwhelming defensive and offensive capabilities as quickly as possible. Under-estimated primates to galactic dominance in a mere century or two. And take a page from our own example and nuke the snot out of every warm tidal pool we happen across.

[@NoCantsAllowed]

I haven't had the opportunity with the series yet. So, perhaps my question is premature or conjectural. Still, I don't understand why the author has, seemingly, hijacked the phrase to represent something (based upon my limited, preliminary understanding: the interaction of dissimilar, "intelligent-"beings across the existential, physical boundarlies of space) so different to its well-defined and purposeful-origination; yet, within a similar field of study/interest (the confounded-interactions of three distinct masses in space and the effects they impart on one another's orbital motion/positioning by way of their inherent gravitational and momentus/inertial influence. The "problem" being... that, as the limits of our biological meat-processors dictates, the relevent "if/then" factors become so astronomically [pun, intended] numerous that our capabilities to predict that motion/those positions becomes swiftly impossible... without the use of quantum-computing, I assume.) The synopsis, of which, being... one is concerned with physics and the other... philosophical-fiction...??? ...I suppose...??? ...but both concern themselves with space and statistical-unpredictability...??? ...I suppose...??? All I'm saying is, the popularity of the novel is forcing the consideration of, when the subject arises in daily conversation, as it does, potentially having to explain/(ask), "to which, of the two, one is referring.(?)" Further, even as the subject is so often encountered, requiring referential clarification, almost daily... it would seem... I do realize that I will, likely, NEVER spend SO much time with that instance of clarification, throughout the course of my lifetime, as I have in presenting the complication for all who read this to ponder, here; however, mine is a life dedicated to sacrifice for the betterment of all mankind and my father created me with the intent that I fulfill such a selfless purpose.

[@tempestolsen9440]

Well, now I've got a new cosmic anxiety to go with the sun exploding

[@MrZenmancer]

I guess you shouldn't Google "gamma ray bursts." And the effects that they can have on the planet and that they move at the speed of the light, so you would never know they're coming.

[@lilacdaven]

Don't forget the new toxic pressure under the western hemisphere's tectonic plates (forgot which one) that is significantly overdue for erupting, potentially hitting the Yellowstone supervolcano's chambers and causing a global disaster within the next 100 year. This is due to the new pressure rigs set up that have started to "push" onto the tectonic plates. If I remember right, one small push is all it takes to piss of Yellowstone and earthquakes in general. Help me petition to stop the rigs. Nobody is talking about them and their consequences :/

[@SerunaXI]

@@MrZenmancer While the Sun growing old and eventually going Red is an inevitable thing, the odds of us getting swept by a direct path is pretty low. Square-Cube law and all that. Not to say the Sun itself couldn't get frisky and fry our electronic infrastructure one random day.

[@skyrimdovah420]

Well heres another to add.. either space is infinite or it isnt... if it is infinite since the further you are out in space the faster you're seperating that means that there will be a point where no matter what we do we would have to travel significantly faster than the speed of light to be able to catch up to other habitable planets since the speed of light is what determines the "observable" universe we can conclude that it would be impossible to find alien life at that point. The other option us that space is limited. Meaning that eventually every cosmic body will collide at the perimeter of the universe causing reformation of everything in the universe. Then momentum would carry everything back to the center where everything would collide at one point breaking everything apart once more. This 2nd thing, although terrifying would actually add another layer to the big bang theory. Because instead of everything starting at once, everything is in a perpetual loop of destruction and rebirth. Infinit space would statistically mean there would have to be an infinite number of livable planets (albeit a smaller infinity) with an infinite number of aliens. While limited space doesnt rule out the possibilty of aliens, it does mean that everything that exists will be remade into something new and that this event could happen at literally any moment and we would never know since we would be traveling faster than the speed of light before we got there.. those millions or billions of years it actually took to reach the edge would take all of a millisecond on earth at that point and we would all just cease to exist at once to rebirth new worlds equally ignorant to the nature of things

[@MrZenmancer]

@SerunaXI Tell that to everyone that has an aneurysm.

[@Luizanimado]

Nah, the more simple and realistic explanation, is that it takes time to life to develop, and many places probably didn't have that time, earth has 4.5 bilions years, but complex life started much later, and honestly, it would be pretty easy for a few stuff to happened that would end that life, the fact that we are here is in a way, pretty impressive. Intelligent life is probably rare considering how hostile the universe is.

[@nicholascrow8133]

1. They are that advanced that they don't notice us or even care, think ants on the side of a highway, we be the ants 2. They know of us and that's why they are keeping clear...

[@deepfreeze1001]

For (1), we have an entire scientific field dedicated to the study of ants, and hundreds of thousand of humans spend their entire lives studying and interacting ants. If there is an intelligent alien species out there more advanced than us that has noticed us, they more than likely have more scientists studying us than there are even humans on all of Earth.

[@nicholascrow8133]

@@deepfreeze1001 It was more an analogy of interstellar travel going past our humble little planet. They would be so far advanced beyond us that there would be little worth in studying us. We study ants as they are part of our planet, our ecosystem... Tbh I lifted the ant analogy from Michio Kaku... It's also plausable that if we were being studied, that they would be doing so in a way that is pure observation so as not to disrupt us, which they would have the means of doing so in a way that we wouldn't even know about it. Let's face it, if there are such advanced civilisations, then we are not that special to warrant much investigation. Unless the great filter is an advanced civilisation monitoring potential rivals, which would also make sense that they are observing via covert means.

[@deepfreeze1001]

@@nicholascrow8133 Hundreds of thousands of humans spend their lives studying rocks. **Rocks**. There’s no such thing as “too advanced to study.” We also study rocks that aren’t from our planet. In point of fact, things that are **not** from “our ecosystem” tend to be more interesting to the average person than things which are from “our ecosystem.” If there are advanced civilizations out there then they are either studying us or haven’t discovered us yet. The fact that you think there isn’t anything on Earth to “warrant investigation” only proves that you are not a scientist. And even if you are right, you still need to grasp the scale of a potential advanced civilization. A Kardashev Type II civilization would have so many members that less than 1% of the population would still be tens or hundreds of billions of people. So even if less than 1% of such a civilization cared enough about Earth to put any effort into studying us, there would be more aliens studying humans than there even are humans.

[@nicholascrow8133]

@@deepfreeze1001 we study rocks here to further our understanding of our planer, we study rocks from space to further understand what other planets are made of, look for life or look towards exploring space ourselves. A type 2 or 3 civilisation (which essentially are the only levels which we feasibly could detect) would have already gained such knowledge before they came across our planet. Sheer odds point towards a very slim likelihood of them finding and selecting our planet for study anyways, space is large and mostly empty after all. You're forgetting the point of virtually all exploration, to find resources, a type 2 or above civilisation has very little need for resources of a planet. For building materials it would be much easier to find an uninhabited planet anyways. You are correct, I am not an astrophysicist, but I also highly doubt that you are either...

[@deepfreeze1001]

@@nicholascrow8133 Please explain in detail how it’s possible for anyone to gain knowledge about something *before* they discover and study that thing.

[@masser1a77]

If this interests you, you should definitely read “the three body problem” by cixin liu. It is my favorite book that tries to solve the Fermi Paradox in form of a Novel about our first in counter with aliens

[@silentrefrain]

netflix has a series coming soon based on the book!

[@masser1a77]

@@TimeTheory2099 no it really isn’t. I’m ge German infantry in search of new content to invade

[@masser1a77]

@@silentrefrain I love you😍😍 thanks for letting me know

[@nduduzoblose4355]

Brav, I LOVE The Three Body Problem It's to this day the best scifi book I've ever read, surpassing even Children of Time

[@ceceliaz]

Yes!! Dark Forest is really interesting. I don't know what's more scary, that hypothesis or the idea that we're rapidly approaching the great filter. The filter being "Evolution of any species is predicated on a degree of selfishness, so how can any species outgrow this selfishness so as to not engage in internecine activities and collapse?" Humanity's answer is alarming.

[@Teckno72]

Or, they are watching us like we’re in a zoo. Waiting for us to do something worthy of First Contact in a public way…

[@emmelsmusic79]

Great filter. They all figured out how to get into the next dimension. They are waiting for us on the other side cheering us on.

[@nighthawk8028]

Interstellar type shi

[@anabellabobcatz8142]

The great filter is when our own ego catches up with us

[@phonetheory7056]

IE: Nukes.

[@jsl151850b]

That barrier is receding. Ego too fast.

[@Nishye501]

Or global warming

[@KendrickMegaFan]

Global warming and capitalism

[@anabellabobcatz8142]

@@Nishye501 warming, war, over population. It's all the same thing. All ego

[@iLikeDucks_]

Kurtzgesagt viewers be feelin like the smartest people in the world rn

[@ornithowlogist]

i need youtube to recommend me more channels like this.

[@dalelawrence85]

I don’t find it surprising at all. When you really consider the true magnitude of the cosmos and the time it would take to physically travel any meaningful distance at speeds that make any sense you realize that hundreds of civilizations could develop and expire in the time required. I think there very well might be life and even civilizations out there are I don’t think they will ever cross paths.

[@bradheath4200]

Aliens have noted our handiwork on how we treat folks who are different and thought better of hanging out for a drink...

[@navavelu151]

The great filter was originally suppose to be a response to the Fermi paradox but its such a broad idea that it could be interpreted in literally any way. Which makes it more of a philosophical argument then a theoretical one.

[@crazygamer6982]

I mean, one filter we haven't gone through yet is to not wipe ourselves out.

[@Ed19601]

Aka "the great filter"

[@shiinondogewalker2809]

@@Ed19601 naah I bet the great filter is for multicellular life or before

[@Ed19601]

@@shiinondogewalker2809 well. That is gonna wipe us out

[@shiinondogewalker2809]

@@Ed19601 we're already past that point though

[@Ed19601]

@@shiinondogewalker2809 i am afraid so

[@harr_m]

you should create an entire documentary on these space facts

[@Maj9183]

It’s not a filter. There’s just an insurmountable space between us and them.

[@NickWestgate]

Distance isn't a problem given enough time. The question then becomes why haven't we encountered a von Neumann probe yet? (Or perhaps one is monitoring us.)

[@devbali-q6f]

@@NickWestgate it is a "problem given enough time" since the distances are just too large for any species like us to want to go interstellar. If it takes 30,000 years to go to a planet that maybe could have life or lifelike conditions seems and is stupid and no species like us would do it.

[@NickWestgate]

@@devbali-q6f You're missing the point. Von Neumann probes should already be here. She'll probably cover it in a video soon. These concepts are decades old.

[@robertlee4809]

Duh....that's the filter...

[@orlock20]

That is true. Elements are constant so there is no secret fuel source. Mathematically we can use a very expensive fuel source that can double the speed of current rocket fuel which is liquid oxygen. Still it would take to long to physically travel to another solar system. When it comes to radio waves, Earth has only began to search for radio waves in space for the past 50 years or so. That's still an issue for three reasons. One is the aliens have to care about making radio waves, the aliens have to be in the same technological frame to be using radio waves and thirds space radiation degrades radio waves so the longer the radio wave travels, the greater the chance that the radio waves are destroyed.

[@AshR24]

To them we are like the universe's equivalent of intentionally visiting Alabama.

[@CruelSummer222]

Lmao

[@AprilReigns18]

Flyover solar system 😢

[@yogeshbl9848]

That filter is probably the speed of light and nothing can go faster. Easily explains why we can’t encounter alien life

[@therealspeedwagon1451]

Or there are multiple filters. For me the filter is the presence of eukaryotic life. The endosymbiotic act of one cell eating another cell and that cell becoming the mitochondrion has only ever happened ONCE. Just one time in the entire 4 billion year history of the earth. With odds that small, it’s no wonder we haven’t found any other life. If we are to ever move past this planet, we should seed other planets with advanced eukaryotic protozoans to give them a head start and let evolution do the rest.

[@vinceoleyar9411]

Pssssh...speed of light😂

[@Reece-3601]

great idea

[@fusion_42]

The speed of light isn't really a problem if you're smart enough

[@Rose_Harmonic]

A filter is some kind of existential threat. On the other hand the speed of light is very important to what I think is the most likely reason we don't see other intelligent life, and that is because the further away we look, the further back in time we are looking. If it's possible to travel close to the speed of light then there will only be a minuscule moment in geologic time that we would be able to see aliens. Beyond that moment, they would just simply be here instead of us.

[@ganymede3141]

The great filter: the speed of light. Which makes all information we observe in the Universe outdsted by seconds, minutes, or millions of years depending on distance.

[@Arek_R.]

The final filter is the war, whether you annihilate yourself over the differences, we dodged it twice.

[@nighthawk8028]

About to fail the third time around tho

[@IanM-id8or]

War is the thing most likely to advance our tech. Please give the human race credit for our ability to innovate. We will find far better ways than mere war to annihilate ourselves

[@mikehoman7351]

We haven't passed the great filter - we are not heading for the great filter - we are in it right now

[@annnee6818]

Yeah

[@a.t.o.mworkshop6409]

we have passed some of the big ones : 1 - Having ressources needed for a industrial era - imagine if the human developped during the creatacean era. No petrol. 2 - Not destroyed ourselves with the discovery of the nuclear bomb. We are not totally out of this one, but clearly better than it was. The next big one is the IA... Cause this can blow out of proportion really really quick... Boston dynamics already has robots having better moving capacities than human on batteries... Combine that with a top IA, and you have something already better than 30% of humanity... IA is a huge filter to pass.

[@hector4913]

@@a.t.o.mworkshop6409 what's IA ?

[@EricOngerth]

Absolutely. We had one shot at using fossil fuels to develop beyond where we are now and we already blew it by turning most of the fossil energy into excess population while neglecting renewable and sustainable development and equality/justice. As a result we are already well into the early states of civilization collapse. This will probably not drive us to extinction but it WILL leave a far smaller human population living at a far lower level of technology -- more or less permanently, like for millions of years to come. The cheap and easily accessible fuels that would have gotten us through this if we had had more sense, or had developed along lines more social and less individualistic and greedy/short-sighted, is already spent and there's no replacement. The attempt to transition to sustainable energy sources is laudable and will feel better than simply giving up, but it's already doomed by resource shortage relative to population.

[@Iwmafooy]

We're definitely headed for it. There should be no doubt that we're not passed it yet. With the advent of technology and the increasing accessibility to these technologies i would imagine it's still in front of us

[@nickeni3050]

Yep we're heading for it and are probably not gonna make it.. why? We've been advancing in technology rapidly all this time but are sluggishly advancing socially, mentally, emotionally etc.

[@GlorifiedGremlin]

"Definitely" "there should be no doubt" followed by "I would imagine" 😂

[@DrSlipperyFist]

It took 4 billion years, and millions of cosmic events happening in sequence, for us to get to this point. The existence of the moon, presence of Jupiter, and literally millions of other factors got us here. We had a stable climate for a billion years in a row, dinosaurs got conveniently wiped out at the exact right moment for tiny rats (mamals) to evolve into monkeys and then us. It takes a human baby about 10 years to approach anything considered useful. No other animal could ever invest that much into raising children. Theres just so many things. More things than the number of planets or stars in the known universe,.that had to go juuuuuuust right. There's almost certainly some small organisms out there, maybe some fish. But to get to spacefaring, ultra intelligent beings might just be very very very very rare. Also, the universe is expected to exist for 10^100 years. We are currently living in year 10^9. So we could very well be the first of our kind in the universe. This is currently the .0000000000001% of the beginning of time.

[@JassCodes]

Meanwhile Aliens: 🌏 This blue planet is in habitable zone. This could possibly be our new home 🥲

[@The_Viscount]

One of my favorite quotes on the subject is a joke from Michio Kaku: "Aliens may have already come to this planet, and, finding no signs of intelligent life, moved on."

[@upperlipproductions6326]

"The Prejudices People Feel About Each Other Disappear When They Get To Know Each Other." Captain Kirk, James T.

[@souviksarkar.7219]

Yeah when we and the aliens will get to know each other, our prejudices about each other will disappear.

[@360decrees2]

Will familiarity breed contempt?

[@upperlipproductions6326]

If life were predictable it would cease to be life, and be without flavor. - ---- Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime. ' ..... "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you." -Mark Twain.

[@dirtluverluveruvdirt7009]

“Yes upperlipproductions6326, or OR……they end up double fist punching each other”

[@johnbauman4005]

*Except when they are confirmed.

[@PicassosCat]

Personally I wouldn't deal with us if I was an alien civilisation. Let em figure it out

[@jackb348]

That’s pretty much how they feel for the most part.

[@williamlee6099]

some of us had to go through the filter of condoms to be born

[@castleanthrax1833]

Ahhh. That explains it. The internet if full of people who have inherited their genes from people who struggled with the effective use of "the condom." It's evolution "intelligence" in reverse. Usually it's an advantage (intellectually or physically) that enables you to reproduce more, but in this case, it's a deficiency.