Why Were There No Brutes In Halo CE? - Halo Lore

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[@michaelkorenberg1313]

Because the Covenant were…. Elitist….

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

Ba dum tss

[@michaelkorenberg1313]

@@Woodyisasexybeast then by Halo 2 onwards the Covenant became “woke” with their Brute diversity quotas. 🤣

[@Leonard.L.Church]

​@michaelkorenberg1313 and just like the real "woke", they tried to destroy the old species to take control

[@alexdemaj4285]

​@@michaelkorenberg1313 And we all know how it went after that

[@XtreemAlan]

“Elite preferred species”

[@Alfa-uq7qe]

Imagine disliking brutes so much that you rather bring the literal bugs lmao

[@14megasxlr]

Wait but… there weren’t Bugs in Halo 1. The Yan Mae were introduced in Halo 3

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

@14megasxlr They made their first appearance in Halo 2. But they’re right. Drones were part of the fleet of particular justice. They’re in Halo Fireteam Raven, which takes place during CE

[@jordan8086]

@@Woodyisasexybeastthere in reach which I think it’s the same fleet

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

@jordan8086 the fleet of particular justice is present during the fall of Reach but they’re not the ones that brought brutes. Reach was actually attacked by several fleets at the same time, one of which contained them. Specifically, the fleet of valiant prudence.

[@justinchan6594]

@@14megasxlrhalo 2 dude

[@mkauf84]

Because Bungie didn't think about them yet.

[@theviperman1947]

Exactly.

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

No shit. This is a narrative explanation.

[@lordswagman1419]

@@Woodyisasexybeastno actually in lore bungie hadnt come up with them so brutes were nowhere to be found

[@johnny44937]

@@Woodyisasexybeast😂😂😂

[@rm0379]

Eric nylund*

[@amon-crow4414]

*Glasses a planet from space* "We prefer to fight cleanly and honerably"

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

Tbf it's not the elites that give the order to glass the planets. Those are the prophets orders and the elites have no other way but to obey.

[@thegodinme83]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 the elites actually stated they didn’t like glassing planet due to it not being honorable and they also even stated that humans would risk and sacrifice everything and go against orders to save there comrades or civilians and literally asked the prophets why they won’t let humans into the covenant the funny part is atriox knew what the humans were capable of and even let them join the banished due to the very fact humans are strong minded but like all humans we would eventually betray them as that’s just the human nature

[@thegodinme83]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 I mean the elites even stated they don’t like to glass planets due to it not being honorable the elites actually liked the humans so much that they even was willing to get executed just to ask the prophets why don’t wont let the humans join the covenant atriox learn from the covenants mistakes and actually let them join which is why brutes are typically unpredictable and smart it’s just there anger and brutality ways gets in the way of that which is why brutes are more dangerous then elites

[@Deluca-Piano]

Lol😂😂

[@badsporttrolln5658]

“He was essentially a space racist”!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@squishysquank6736]

that line took me out dude lmaooo

[@martinnavarrete5279]

Well wasn't the entire covenant like that?

[@squishysquank6736]

@@martinnavarrete5279 true but its a funny statement

[@badsporttrolln5658]

@@squishysquank6736 it was. I don’t think he was being funny either I think he was being serious about the space racist 🤣

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

@badsporttrolln5658 a bit of both but mostly in jest. I don’t think he’s actually a bigot. Thel is a cool dude (after he murdered a lot of people)

[@BobBob-up8fz]

Because younger Arby had already selected "Prefered species" in his loadout.

[@artemefimov8215]

What?

[@criminal7592]

In MCC you can choose your preferred species: that is, whether you want to play as a Spartan or Elite in multiplayer.

[@randomgameclips404]

Just started making gaming vids and tryna make it come support me got halo clips and other kinds❤

[@TiL_Deimos]

@@criminal7592wait really?????? waaaat

[@alexwintemute6601]

@@TiL_Deimosbruh how u not know dat lol dats been a thing for like 15 years lol

[@fetusdeletus9266]

I mean in the words of that Headhunter: “Alligators (elites) are smart which makes em predictable, on the other hand Apes (brutes) are like an emotionally stunted 12 year old.”

[@uncledoctor6920]

Such a good short

[@alexjackyperson101]

Basically Brutes are harder to deal but elites knows how to surprise attack you

[@jacobweatherford4696]

To be fair brutes also dont like following the orders of elites.

[@LegendaryFoundingTitan]

"THE PACK WILL FEAST ON YOU"

[@keegswl5119]

Thel just watched the freiza saga one too many times and was like "you know this guy has a point about those monkeys"

[@acey6991]

"After all, I'm just a monkey right?" Tartar sauce before he blasted thel down a hole

[@0JayDoubleU]

​@@acey6991😂😂 this thread is gold

[@randomgameclips404]

Just started making gaming vids and tryna make it come support me got halo clips and other kinds❤

[@that_one_helljumper]

Bonus for the UNSC marines on halo not having to get their limbs ripped off by brutes

[@nicolae-alexandruluca7853]

Well the elites would do that for you and grunts eat you

[@BeagleBuddy-qf7uw]

Yeah, it was a nice bonus for them until the Flood were released. I'd rather have my arms ripped off and bleed to death than to have an Infection form burrow into me while I'm still alive, unable to fight back as my flesh start to rot quickly.

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

Tbf they suffered a worse fate by being infected and slowly but painfully consumed by the flood. No soldier aside johnson (somehow), abd chief survived the events of the first halo.

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

@mihaimercenarul7467 there were a few others. Chief picked up a pelican with Johnson and a couple other people shortly after the end of CE

[@justyouraveragem4a136]

@@mihaimercenarul7467forgot our boys Chips Dubbo and Sgt. Stacker who also escaped through classified means

[@THExMETAL666]

Brutes were used for heavy ship maintenance and fuel their star ship engines. This is a canon explanation from one of the terminals that involves shipmaster and arbi talking about the brutes place in the covenant before the schism

[@shortnsiper1322]

Even if Bungie hadn't come up with them, I'll just assume they were all in High Charity growing hair after looking in the mirror and realizing how ugly they were after the fall of Reach. (because they probably looked too human and had ugly tattoos) Which is why they didn't appear in CE lol

[@shreksnow1918]

Maybe, you could do a short on that Engineer who fixed Chief’s shields in First Strike that an ONI officer (or marine, I forgot which) shot to prevent that information from getting out. It’s really too bad that the Engineers didn’t appear in the games until ODST. I’m sure you know about how they were originally planned to be included in CE. Truth and Reconciliation would’ve been the perfect mission to introduce them in the bridge area. Then they could’ve been seen in Forerunner structures that are important to the Covenant like what various mods do. Cortana could’ve had some dialogue telling the player not to shoot those things because they’re a non-threat and will just ignore you to do their work.

[@ITSSIRWAN86]

Damnn

[@commanderblargh6300]

The engineers were intended to be able to repair Covenant vehicles for you. They would've been a neat inhostile unit.

[@slyngn7847]

They were right about the Brutes. Tartarus murdered his uncle, Maccabeus, at Harvest.

[@darthrevan5609]

That's part of Brute culture though, Brutes value might and brawn over wit. Tartarus believed his uncle to be weak and in Brute tradition challenged him for the right to lead the pack. It wasn't straight up backstabbing well thought out betrayal, just how they handle the power structure of their hierarchy

[@cynickicksass]

You heard the man. Space racism is good. Thankfully.

[@aabgjbtlfjcb]

He was right to caution himself. Brutes are volatile, most of the time.

[@Chrislmisl]

I love it when lore comes up with in-world explanations for things that were just a game design thing for example!

[@plaguenotprophet7840]

The arbiter himself perused the pillar of autumn, and the arbiter did not trust the jiralhanae.

[@jjanorschke1282]

You missed a golden opportunity to call him a Space-ist

[@boydryther2598]

Thel: the brutes are savages (Planetary wide glassing goes BRRRTTT)

[@katzlover321]

The glassing is to prevent the planet from being able to be used for biomass by the Flood

[@bloodysimile4893]

​@@katzlover321 Abriter was responsible of glassing many human world and killing one billion humans by glassing long before Halo events where the flood was involved.

[@nicolae-alexandruluca7853]

Lets be fair the glassing was a direct order from the prophets

[@nicolae-alexandruluca7853]

​@@katzlover321uhhhhhhhhhh 7 human planets were glassed looooooooong before the covenant learned about the flood

[@bloodysimile4893]

There also another reason why Abriter didn't trust brutes. In the Book Cole Protocol, Abriter ship was backstab by another ship commanded by brutes while investigating the mystery of human Covenant weaponry, the result events nearly got him excuted by Truth and Regert if he had not kill the would be assassin. Any trust he had with the brutes was gone after that.

[@martinramos1737]

Missed a great chance to call him “astronomically racist” 😂 but space racist was pretty funny

[@conservative_Redskin]

And they say racism is bad, it help humanity, yah racism

[@GrayedOutJedi]

I remember running the last level of CE on MCC in it's buggy days. Seeing a brute in my kill list post level was bizarre since it's solely flood with a few covenant squads. So i made headcanon that there was a stray brute that got infected, and was in the mess of flood I was carelessly killing off. Something i thought I'd share for fun.

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

Not to burst your bubble but that actually still occurs. The spots where you need to throw grenades to over load the autumns engines are considered brutes in the kill feed

[@GrayedOutJedi]

@@Woodyisasexybeast That's cool to know actually

[@scarecrow_3215]

You didn’t mention how in cole protocol the brutes betrayed thel and his elites

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

Where does that happen in the book? I don’t recall.

[@shreksnow1918]

@Woodyisasexybeast Yes. I can’t remember exactly how it happened, but the Brute ship attacked the Elite one and this allowed Thel and a few other Elites to be captured by humans and Jackals. Don’t quote me on this because I could be getting some details wrong.

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

@shreksnow1918 Roger that. Adds more fuel to what I was saying in the video then. Thanks fellas

[@scarecrow_3215]

@@shreksnow1918 exactly right

[@bloodysimile4893]

​@@shreksnow1918right.

[@alexmason3939]

A lot of words for "they didn't add them yet."

[@mozyman05]

"Cleanly" but uses cloaking devices

[@ToxicBastard]

Despite making up 13% of the Covenant, Brutes do 52% of the schisming.

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

Oh no

[@smoldoggy1005]

brutes are the black people of Halo

[@nagger8216]

@@smoldoggy1005 Thanks for explaining what the obvious joke is, never would have connected those dots if it wasn't for your AI generated comment.

[@H4L0GUY117]

@@nagger8216 hey bro thanks for being a prick

[@Lucycurrie124]

Technically its probably like 1% of the covenant and 100% of the schisming - way worse then americans have it 🥲

[@samuelzuleger5134]

In a word...just one word: Polygons. Either that, or a bunch of lore written after Halo 2.

[@badluck9749]

"What is the most compatanle pokemon? Let me explain"

[@ethangreenhaw128]

No wonder why tartar sauce hated him

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

Nah, tartar sauce is a twat

[@longdongsilver3577]

space racism goes hard

[@HighWireDiver]

Based

[@Deluca-Piano]

"When the prophets learn of this...they eill take your head!" -Tartarus chuckles smugly-"When they learn? They ORDERED me to do it." Arbiter's face shocked, mandibles open.

[@Moose_97]

"Vile disloyal beasts, the prophets were fools to trust them"

[@OakviewForest]

Traditionally the brutes don't leave a raid to pursue a single low priority ship, after the Autumn makes a blind jump, the mission is passed off to a rear admiral who is equipped with a Corvette that can intercept the Autumn's rally point before they arrive. It's a boot mission. Chief got lucky, the whole of CE hinges on the covenant sending only one assault party that had outdated equipment.

[@greengoblin4391]

Bungee isn’t plan that far ahead. Pretty sure halo ce was supposed to be a one and done game until it reached massive success

[@Nedak2003]

When Arbiters fleet got to Reach, we see Brutes attacking New Alexandria. They were under his command.

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

That isn’t his battle group. His is the fleet of particular justice. The one with brutes it’s the fleet of valiant prudence.

[@Nedak2003]

@@Woodyisasexybeast where is this said?

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

Valiant prudence got there first. They’re the ones noble team was dealing with www.halopedia.org/Fleet_of_Valiant_Prudence

[@shreksnow1918]

There’s mods that add Brutes into CE with mixed results in terms of story and gameplay. SPV2/3, CE Canyon, and SOI’s CE mod are the most notable examples. It’s interesting thinking about what could’ve been if Bungie had the idea for Brutes sooner: I like how in Reach you don’t really see Brutes and Elites fighting in the same groups. That’s a cool way to show the two don’t really get along. Unfortunately, that’s where the good things I have to say about Reach’s Brutes ends. They’re by far the WORST Brutes in the entire series. Instead of learning from their mistakes in 2 and 3/ODST Bungie combined the worst aspects of both and made the Brutes uninteresting enemies. The Reach Elites also stepped on the Brute’s toes by having them be seen using heavy weapons that Heavy Grunts and higher ranking Brutes would normally carry. Say what you will about Infinite (and I agree wholeheartedly there’s a lot to say. If there wasn’t you wouldn’t see numerous videos talking about the game’s shortcomings. For me the biggest one is the fact that they did a bad job explaining the Banished were and how they differ from the Covenant. Also, because their ideology is different we really should’ve had humans in their ranks), but as far as gameplay is concerned it gave us hands down the BEST version of the Brutes. They’re the perfect marriage of their 2 and 3 incarnations. Although, they’d be much better if they had their H2 aggression, could dual wield, and if the base ranks had more health. That’s how the Brutes should be going forwards.

[@TiL_Deimos]

i like to think that the banished are banished covenant soldiers

[@jesterpurdy2528]

Love this little bit of lore!!!!

[@TheJuggtron]

Brett Con strikes again

[@ORLY911]

Last thing Arbiter needed was brutes and elites refusing to get along in a chain of command on the sacred site of halo. Understandably it would look bad on him if covenant squabbled there

[@anthonychase6906]

I always wondered this from a lore perspective but never thought about this, it makes so much sense though. Halo CE was just a small force of covenant led by an Elite, so it's made up of Elites. Then in halo 2, they return to the rest of the covenant, which is when we get to see the brutes, the only faction that isn't directly subservient to the Elites (besides the prophets of course)

[@Songbird7274]

Because planet went boom boom

[@Bonkbork]

A space racist... Arbiter and Frieza gotta meet now.

[@benmartin4303]

2 reasons; 1) Thel Vaddem didn't accept them in his fleet. (expanded lore). 2) Bungie didn't come come up with Brutes at the time of Halo: CE.

[@anthony-s026]

What’s odder is the Master Chief didn’t encounter any Brutes until the book Operation: First Strike which is between CE and 2.

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

Especially when considering brutes were some of the first covenant species that humanity encountered. 2nd only to jackals.

[@mekboy7403]

That got retconned instantly like how The Fall of Reach says they didn't encounter Elites until Reach.

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

@mekboy7403 that was my initial gut reaction too but I can’t think of where that would’ve been changed. I think that stuck

[@Hanzo25389]

Because the boss said fuck them and blew up reach with their file race on it! Wort wort wort

[@Deseretian]

Brutes are literally not just blacks, but could be realistically compared with any southern hemisphere colonial troops that more honor bound European armies would use as schock troops: Zulus, Ghurkas, Moroccans, Congolese, Algerians...

[@danielbob2628]

Plus, the same thing could have happened in reverse- I bet Truth didn't want Thel to command Brutes either, considering that he must have considered Thel an obstacle by then.

[@AlexMakesGames80]

So the real answer for anyone curious is development time and need, brutes don’t fill a gameplay role massively dissimilar to elites and lead were also more in line with halo core gameplay, balancing. Not to mention hello CE flew together in the last six months of production, adding an additional AI enemy unit was out of the question. The game was already leaps and bounds ahead of time in AI

[@BrennanTheContentWhisperer]

They ain’t think of them yet ☝🏻🤓

[@commandercody2980]

Better question: why were there no sentinel enforcers in CE?

[@Robert-fr9wl]

THERE BRUTES IN THE SPV3.3 VERSION OF HALE CE😮

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

Fantastic mod though needless to say, not exactly canon

[@paulkendrick4153]

@@Woodyisasexybeast Why isn’t it canon. The mod is badass

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

@paulkendrick4153 simply because brutes weren’t present and it’s not an official product. So it can’t really be canon

[@TKR-ox9ff]

Or the brutes weren't invented yet during the production of hale ce

[@terrarian9887]

It’s part of why I love CE. I hate mods that bring them in.

[@johnnydavey6266]

I always thought it was because the ships that chased them had limited personnel and were more concerned about catching them then making sure all their DEI boxes were ticked. 😂

[@predatortheme]

I can imagine that from a lore point of view, the brutes were likely busy clearing out reach of any human troops while sending the elites on the easy mission of hunting down some weak survivors... and also to build a heavier presence of brute troops on reach to establish command/power

[@colincampbell3878]

I thought the lore reason was that something as sacred as one of the rings shouldn't be touched by one of the brutes; especially the first one. But Halo 2 proved me wrong.

[@TyBrooks1997]

Bro that's the reason why Tartarus so willing to put that mark of shame on Arbiter IT MAKES SENSE!!!!!!

[@secretskull21]

“The Brutes will betray us.” “You’re crazy.” *Brutes betray them* “I WAS RIGHT!”

[@Kaliburrrr]

Halo fans making the longest explanation possible to explain why something that didn’t exist yet wasn’t in an older game

[@Randomgui220]

This is lore from the games, no?

[@ahsoka_polo]

Because that's the lore. Come on now, think.

[@Kaliburrrr]

@@Randomgui220 @ahsoka_polo lore made after the fact, like the brutes

[@Randomgui220]

@@Kaliburrrr doesn’t really matter, this happens with tons of games and other forms of media

[@Kaliburrrr]

@@Randomgui220 this is the internet man, leave me something to bitch about 🥲

[@louiswebtser]

“Let me explain”

[@Yokyle4356]

Well maybe because they didn't think about them yet The same thing would ahsoka from Star wars how come she's not in the old Star wars movie or that because they never thought about her before then

[@ManDuderGuy]

I don't know if it's genes or culture or whatever, but yes, Brutes commit a wildly disproportionate rate of violent crimes. Profiling works!

[@clydewill2340]

Iirc brutes and elites generally didnt like each other at all. So fleets were usually led by either one or the other

[@kaiserwilhelmii674]

I always thought there was just the one Covenant ship in the OG Halo and they just weren’t on it. Like I thought the Long Night of Solace was the only one to send troops out.

[@jccarbone6361]

Brutes and Elites had separate units it was a pretty common thing so it’s not surprising that they weren’t there

[@danielefabbro822]

Well accordingly to the lore the Jiralhanae was also fresh joined into the Covenant... Prophets had seen in them the perfect puppets and warriors to substitute the "too much free" Sangheili in the empire so they both seized the moment when Thel 'Vadam failed to secure Halo, to change the guard and acquire power in the Empire. It was a really delicate moment for the Empire and both Prophets and Brutes acted to disrupt the foundations of the Empire itself. The first error was that of targeting humans despite they knew they wasn't heretics. Second was that of destroy the foundation article of the Covenant, or the alliance and the roles of the two species in their new Empire. The very presence of the Jiralhanae during Halo 2 and later works shown that the Empire was falling into doom.

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

Yes, the writ of union was the original agreement. Such great lore

[@danielefabbro822]

@@Woodyisasexybeast indeed. I feel nostalgic of the old Covenant. Despite being the main anthagonists, they had some range of realism, detailed lore, accurate development, from the bigger things till the smaller ones. It's that the point that I blame about the Banished: it's not the same level of worldbuilding. The Banished looks like just an "evil" copy of the old Covenant while they should be something new. I play Stellaris with Halo mods, so I can design my factions as I want. I've made anew two distinct versions of UEG/UNSC, one perfectly designed version of the Covenant empire, one for the Swords of Sangheilos, and two for the "post-Covenant". Of of them is the "Reformed Covenant Empire" led by the Jiralhanae, with the traits and tech of the Covenant... The other one is the "Banished Khanate", also led by the Jiralhanae, but with proper banished AND human technology. Once the immigration treaty kicks in, these Banished are able to deploy human marines other than their own troops. They have mixed tech ships, and are not religious fanatics, but fanatical cooperatives. That mades them looking more close to the official lore, but at the same time also more realistic. I think I'll play another game today. I really love to play this version of Halo. 🤣🤣🤣🫡

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

The banished are a lot better than they were depicted in Infinite. They lost a lot of the nuance because of the destruction of Doisac. Either way, they do have human members and nowadays, even a Spartan. That alone makes them way different than the covenant. Infinite really just didn’t articulate that well. I just hope they don’t shelve them whenever they decide to continue the story…

[@danielefabbro822]

@@Woodyisasexybeast I lost a passage, there was any other game after Infinite?

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

Nah. Plenty of other lore stuff like a few books and a short stories but no games. No announcements of any kind at the recent Xbox showcase either so I don’t imagine there’s anything new on the horizon.

[@joshj7012]

I always assumed that they kept their armies segregated because of the apparent rivalry and tension between the two groups. Remember that they weren’t there helping the arbiter and other elites in the heretic level on halo 2

[@sandwichgaming2002]

Both because the brute were not made yet and story wise it was the elites based ships chasing them

[@Yepsuredid]

No wonder Tartarus hated him so much

[@Soundwave119]

Out of the universe reason was because Brutes were not thought of yet. They weren't introduced until Halo First Strike book. In verse was because Vadaam didn't trust them to stay on task and go crazy.

[@butterbuns4849]

its crazy they had abunch of wildlife ideas and not one was a brute or prototype

[@cvi4057]

Me looking at my Krogan ally Its okay buddy Tbh you can fix both the elites and the brutes and be a universal powerhouse by delegating the others to their more purposed roles instead of relegating them to be just cannon fodder. Dominate the elites which the Spartans already have, help the Brutes fix their gene problem, which Cortana couldve totally done pre logic plague, youd need someone like Astarte in 40k lore or one of the cannon fodder races in Halo lore. Completely unrelated Cortana is the hardest to fix because of the logic plague honestly, but could actually do it easy just like the others.

[@alexpontecorvi3092]

I like arbiter even more now

[@reganmcnary9864]

Thel was more surgical. Having hammers in his tool bag would be a liability

[@Bingor809]

Finally someone adds the ‘ee suffix to his name.

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

To be fair, he no longer is “Vadamee”, so I get why people don’t

[@ethanmitchell7479]

It’s about being a commander If the person under you can’t follow orders and more Importantly doesn’t respect you enough to do so you just remove him entirely that’s what he did Brutes were literally known for going Berserk and just ripping through enemy’s and destroying everything even eating slain foes in the field there supposed to be soldiers not savages

[@Blue-Gold_Crusader]

I'd argue that it's not ao much racism so much as not wanting conscripts or pirates as a part of your primary fighting force; if they were dishonorable or otherwise untrustworthy outside of a warzone, there's really no reason to expect them to be any less so amidst the chaos.

[@Wolverine215]

Arbiter is 🗿

[@ImrightYourewrong-gs4pz]

Is what

[@FoggyPigeon]

Brutes were added to the Halo series due to a design competition that was run years ago in XBOX magazine. The magazine would publish various designs that had been sent in each week with a picture and short description of what the alien they had designed was like. The winner of the competition got their alien design added to the Halo games. I had the addition when the brute design was submitted, might still have it laying around somewhere. Seeing what a huge part of the lore they are now, the person who designed it should be very proud of themselves.

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

Would love to see that. Might be worth something these days

[@FoggyPigeon]

@@Woodyisasexybeast If it is still around, it has been in my loft for 20 odd years, so I can't imagine it's in great condition 😄, but I should take a look for it. We cleared a load of stuff out not too long ago, so it may well have been thrown away. I vaguely remember the design and the description said something along the lines of them being a rival faction to the elites within the covenant with a history of hating each other. We all saw that played out 😄.

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

@FoggyPigeon still a neat piece of history, either way

[@johnmcconnell7052]

The ironic part is the best way for bungie to do this was literally writing them in to the side

[@zombiehunter501]

I think there were some brutes on alpha halo but you didn't see them in the game. in the novel I think chief encounters one that nearly killed him. the reason I heard is that the brutes were put in charge of holding quarantine line of the flood but were rapidly wiped out. but I'm not sure if that canon or even real lore. as I bearly remembered this.

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

The brute fight you’re thinking of is from First Strike which takes place after CE on a Covenant megastructure called The Unyielding Hierophant.

[@zombiehunter501]

@@Woodyisasexybeast Right, thank you.

[@yoltsbp]

i think its actually because they werent even thought of yet in the halo universe.

[@DoctorProph3t]

They didn’t exist yet. Mystery explained.

[@MrOmerDalor]

Space speciesist would be more accurate.

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

Either word works.

[@dosexqi6070]

Oh come on. Like we can all put together why they went, the prophets sent zero brutes to the first ring or anything on that road, but let’s be real bungie didn’t even think about them

[@MattWaller04]

No, he's just observing patterns...

[@m33tballa]

Nah. Chief didn't even encounter brutes until first strike in operation hierophant,

[@jeremyboren1732]

He wasn't wrong either

[@ATP2555ify]

They weren't conceived yet.

[@Evilanious]

I'm guessing for the same reason Keys calls Cortana "the ship-board AI" about whom protocol is written. And for the same reason the monitor calls the master chief a reclaimer and later a forerunner. And for the same reasons the nameless black sergeant who does the commercial for the game definitely died with all the others as we see him hugging an elite standing on the ring as the Pillar of Autumn explodes a few hundred meters away. For that reason the brutes as well as the drones and prophets decided to also dip on the chase of the Pillar of Autumn.

[@MrMegaMetroid]

the cole protocol was never written for cortana, it was never even written for AI, it was specifically, since before halo 1 even released, about any and all digital and physical data on a ship, space station or planet. if the covenant arrives, everything needs to be destroyed. 343 guilty spark hal always from halo ce onwards talked about chief as forerunner. In bungies halo, humans WHERE forerunners, thats what the entire human covenant war is about. Thats why 343 thinks the chief already did all this with him, thats why he assumes the chief already knows everything, THATS why he calls him reclaimer at all times, even in halo 3. because forerunners ARE reclaimers. Johnson you're spot on. all that being said, lore reason and real life reason are 2 seperate things, and he is not wrong when he talks about the lore reason. The same way ppl are not wrong for saying the lore reason Johnson is still alive, is because hes got a disease from plasma grenade exposure that messes with his nerves, and escaped this way in a pelican with a small crew. (also the legendary cutscene was non canon in the first place, it was a joke, same as the thirsty grunts not being canon, or the grunt birthday skull)

[@lonewonderer7657]

I'd gladly dawn the title of "space racist"

[@Saaahdood]

Because there were no brutes

[@spartanklutz4421]

Arbiter proved racism is good sometimes.

[@tacit_cx7916]

Because the ring forces were led by the inquisitor and were his troops without

[@TetoKasane4]

The arbiter doesn’t like brutes

[@CrazyDutchguys]

He was a space racist. He did genuinely try to make humanity go extinct. But he was right about the Brutes, so it cancels out

[@likeabigboiii6324]

Brutes weren't invented yet. Thats why theyre not there. Every lore reason is a retcon.

[@zanghproductions2559]

While this is a very cool and neat theory imo, canonically brutes were on Alpha Halo as told by Thel Vadam to the Prophet of Truth in the Halo 2 Collector's Edition manual: "To Prophet of Truth Most high and honored Prophet: It is with the greatest shame that I lay myself before the judgment of the Council. I expect and will accept no mercy. My failure in this matter is absolute; I embrace my responsibility and await my punishment. The disgrace and blasphemy at Halo was an abomination caused by my incompetence and failure of judgment. Although the tales and rumors of the Demon have basis in fact, much of this talk is Unggoy superstition and exaggeration. Certainly the Demon, a Human, activated a catastrophic engine- failure sequence on the crashed Human vessel, but it was allowed to do so because of failures in security measures and tactics for which I bear full responsibility. I have no good news to relay, but the Human action was suicidal, either by accident or design. I believe none of them escaped the catastrophe. As ever, Jiralhanae accounts of the conflict are unreliable and their accounts of this Human's abilities and actions are absurd. No Human is capable of the things they gossip and chatter about. I suspect panic and excuse, as well as confusion caused by the spread of the parasite. The Human in question is certainly unusual, although not the creature it has been described as. It stands taller than most, is faster and more aggressive, but still irrevocably a Human animal, worthy of neither fear nor respect. It is merely an exception that proves the rule. As always, Humans remain beneath our contempt. Their failure at Reach compounds their defeat. We sense that their defenses are failing rapidly. I have gathered information on the Human's armor, abilities, and weapons, which follows this report. Perhaps more worrisome is the discovery and subsequent conflict with the parasite on Halo. This monstrosity festered, rotted, and waited on the Holy World, and although we cannot be sure, the Humans may have released it from its shackles. I do not presume to know the unknowable, but I suspect that the Forerunners meant this filth to stay imprisoned forever. The sacred grace of Halo was polluted before it was destroyed. I await my punishment with faith and honor. --Supreme Commander, Fleet of Particular Justice"

[@Woodyisasexybeast]

While this is a great pull and contains information I’ve never seen, I’m not sure it’s definitive evidence that brutes were actually present IN his fleet. Every other source contradicts this. CE, The Flood, and Fireteam Raven. I’m not sure whether to pin this or not. I’d like some clarification from 343.

[@zanghproductions2559]

@Woodyisasexybeast I agree. It also doesn't help with the evidence considering that the Flood was mostly based on Dietz' playthrough of CE, part of why at the library (might have been a different level) he has a shotgun instead of the usual MA5B, showing that he was playing on Easy difficulty as that's the only one in which you spawn with the shotgun on certain missions