Why Would We Choose Final Fusion?

[@noragreen109]

2:17 Do you have the website to the ISSD article I want to read what they have!

[@TheEntropySystem]

www.isst-d.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/GUIDELINES_REVISED2011.pdf The quote I read is on pg 133

[@t-e-c-system]

I hadn't realized this was available outside of pay-for-view. Thank you so much for sharing this!

[@noragreen109]

@@TheEntropySystem tysm for this!

[@autiejedi5857]

We were over 50 before discovering we were a system, so no desire to fuse. We've managed together this long that we don't feel it's necessary. We're quite happy working on functional multiplicity.

[@pardalote]

I am 54, and only started to suspect multiplicity a few years back. I have no idea what final fusion would feel like. Quiet, I guess. Maybe lonely. At my age, I don't imagine I will ever aim for it. What I'd like is some more cooperation and an end to the infernal arguments! So yes, functional multiplicity sounds good, very good.

[@InfraSonixEntertainment]

Together with us, our therapist has decided not to work on fusion. So it was a 1 to 1 decision. How treatment SHOULD be done.

[@KitahKat]

I'm a singlet, but professionally indicating it is narcissistic to not want to be less individually yourself is such a wild take! If someone told me Jeff and I would be happier if I just became part of Jeff, neither of us loosing ourself, just becoming someone new, stronger, and healthier, but I would never me individually me again, I would tell them to take a running leap. This is not a discussion I have stakes in, but I feel there is not a wrong choice, though it is a personal one that each system should decide on together without judgment or coercion, after careful open consideration and discussion. Also the choice doesn't need to be concrete; you can choose functional multiplicity now and reevaluate in a year to see if opinion changes.

[@SoulSystem-ff6jo]

From someone in a system, thank you sincerely for understanding! That analogy about fusing with another singlet is exactly what some people in our system wanted to tell our ex-therapist but never ended up doing. I remember reading the “narcissistic investment” line and being so outraged that a professional would see alters not wanting to fuse as narcissistic. It shows how much professionals’ biases can impact patients’ real lives.

[@SoTenshi]

I can't really speak for anyone else in the system but I like it. I feel like someone always has my back, because if I can't handle a situation someone else can. The amnesia part isn't always a barrel of laughs but sometimes you just gotta deal with things.

[@andreeuzsystem5940]

@SoTenishi, your words match my experience exactly. The amnesia really sucks, but do nice to have backup available

[@bucketfan4life]

the amnesia part is ANNOYING honestly. one example is finding a basket of clean, unfolded towels at the end of the hallway, standing there for a full minute to process it and then saying, “what’s that doing there…?” i had to fold them and put them away. one of many examples lol

[@notme-oy8fv]

I agree so much with you, as a system, if I can't handle a situation someone will always come and help me. They would/will protect me from things they think might be harmful and they help make decisions

[@MultiplicityAndMe]

Thank you for such a lovely and informative video you guys! 🥺🙏 you have the best way of explaining things! Also hats off for Gianu system! I really love that analogy! We appreciate you all so much 🩷 so lovely to see you post!

[@TheEntropySystem]

Thank you so much! I hope you are doing as well as it seems like you are in your videos. ❤️❤️❤️

[@matthewpool6508]

I'm so glad you're still making videos; they have been very helpful for me over the years.

[@BriCourt]

We have a few headmates who feel threatened and terrified of the idea of fusion, so we firmly stand in the healthy plurality camp. Great video!

[@Soshula]

As an OSDD system with some very happily differentiated but closely bonded front-buddy pairings, we would much rather continue to face the challenges of learning to achieve and live with functional multiplicity. Recently four of us had the best day ever together on a sort of "double-date" that never could have happened without those four remaining differentiated. We love the diversity of interaction and feeling like a group of friends unto ourselves. It's also nice to be able to take breaks from fronting and still have someone or a couple someones to step in and take care of day to day stuff like our job or house work if one or more of us gets burned out. We can sort of intentionally become blurry temporarily if we want/need to, and we feel like final fusion would just end up feeling like being stuck permanently blurry and we would hate that.

[@RAYNAwinter]

Our therapist is not working towards fusion. She is working towards functionality, and it is going so much better. Started off having a job was impossible, getting daily tasks done was a 10% chance, but now that has all improved. 🎉

[@TheEntropySystem]

I’m so happy to hear about how far you’ve come on your healing journey! -Wyn

[@slauthordraws3363]

i follow both you and multiplicityandme and it's neat that there are channels demonstrating both treatment outcomes

[@TheEntropySystem]

She seems to be doing so well post-fission. I’m very happy for her -Wyn

[@Melodysys.]

we're polyfragmented and have almost no desire to fuse at all, obviously the fragments and shells will eventually fuse into more stable headmates but we love our system and we dont always get along but... we love us.

[@binarystar11235]

The timing of this video just clicks for us. Tomorrow we plan to have our first fusion of a very dear and loved alter into me (host). It is her wish. We are sad, but also happy for her because she finally gets her wish. I don't know what the outcome of healing will be for us. We'll find out along the way I guess. One step at a time.

[@ilexdiapason]

good luck to you!

[@zenhydrasystem]

100% functional multiplicity for us please. We've worked too hard on being a team that enjoys life together to be any other way at this point. We help one another and feel like any one of us dealing with it all alone would be a very overwhelmed person. Great video Kim Kim, thank you for all you and the Entropy system do.

[@ZijnShayatanica]

That bit about the narcissistic investment in one's alters or having DID is a hard thing to read for most people... But I think there are some cases in which it is legitimate. I think MultiplicityAndMe talked about one of her barriers to unification being that she got invested in the separateness of her alters as a defense mechanism to handle trauma. Just because it's narcissistic, it doesn't mean it's morally wrong, if that makes sense? I have narcissistic tendencies [though one of my alters carries that more than the rest of me] & the fierce gripping onto autonomy is a very difficult impulse to overcome. Everyone has a few narcissistic tendencies rooting around in us... But I agree that, at least for people whose level of egocentricity is low, it feels like an unfair accusation. And the language around narcissism in general is usually unfair - wanting to be yourself/yourselves doesn't automatically equate to pathological self-centeredness. Anyway, thank you for this video!! I recently stumbled into the potential of OSDD [like, the past 3 months] & I'm having trouble parsing things out. You guys explain things very well. 💕

[@kristinschaoticlife]

This was so beautifully explained. This is what I’m finding. As far as I can tell each of my parts are so happy to fuse now that many are realizing they aren’t bad. They were holding onto the people that were bad to them. They are more than happy to release that toxic shame and help the others grow. I have far too many parts I have no idea where to start. We have been doing it without realizing as we heal and release. Defeating the Mormon god… that was a hard one… but man my littles finally don’t feel shame for what they didn’t have control over. It’s a wild ride and all I feel lately is grief for what they lived and forgiving selves for what they didn’t know. Fusing is beautiful. Granted… There’s so many we don’t have names for many. But we’re still figuring it all out. ❤ But I’m sure there will be hiccups as I’m sure many are hiding under the surface as they learn. We all want to grow. It’s beautiful to me as the host. Very emotional but beautiful all the same.

[@EVOSYS_YT]

Final fusion isn't an option for us currently because enough of us just don't believe that it would be healthy for us. We don't think our brain is really meant to be "one person". I understand it makes you feel more whole and present overall, but so much of our creativity and emotions go into the system itself and eachother, I'm scared my life would feel purposeless without it and "I" wouldn't know what to direct that energy towards afterwards. Every single one of us has almost always been more attached to fantasy and had really bad issues connecting with others but we rarely have those barriers with eachother because we GET eachother and it's like... we live in the same reality as eachother, in one head, instead of like... a body in a complete other location. There are times(like now) where I almost feel like I'm the system speaking as itself/as a whole and we can get in modes like that or times where we collectively get together and think in one direction(my point being it's not really an issue where we can't communicate when we need to), but being multiple is such a unique life experience and we have done so much more as individual people/identities. My alters have taught me how to love truly and how to take care of myself. They're there for me(and eachother) in dark times. They can be fantastical and take forms that's like raw emotional energy or represent such abstract stuff that I find just really interesting and fun to figure out. It feels like I'm not made for reality, I'm made to live in their world and create and make art, write stories, and dream. Maybe someday we could realistically integrate and become more grounded in reality, but well into young adulthood now: it just feels like something to chase with no real purpose in mind, that everyone else kind of expects you to want because their version of you/another alter will "get better" for THEIR sense of reality... like, it's actually them making your trauma and experience about their own comfort instead of yours... for now, functional(and even non-functional!) multiplicity is who I am and what we're proud to be... a plural system. If we have a problem, we handle it together. That's truly what love in unreality is for us. What we named our system after.

[@Melodysys.]

8:28 we do the exact same with a headmate called Siren, who was one of the oldest headmates we had but she went dormant, fused into our host, resplit off during a very traumatic period and then she fused into one of our highest teired protectors, Dream. we miss her so much but she knew her time was through with us. we still mourn and grieve for her too

[@yourguyisa3853]

Our system has 6 headmates in total, we would not want fusion at all and that's because we see another as family and friends or sometimes lovers (for the system couple in here). I don't think fusion is a bad idea, but I would prefer we all work on loving another and growing ourselves separately than going into fusion because we're better as a team than as a whole new fuse. and like you said, it's a whole lot easier to be kinder to the body when I know it's not just mine

[@Alice83ashla]

As someone that also has autism it’s so hard to be able to connect with outside folks so the inside folks even though a lot of times we disagree we can rely on each other

[@kellahanna-wayne4191]

From the start of our treatment, we always tried to stay open to whatever healing path ended up working best for us, and to try not to predict what that was. But after we heard about Multiplicity and Me achieving final fusion, we started realizing that we might trend that way. Soon after this realization, we experienced two fusions back to back, one with two major system members and one with three less active members. It was definitely painful. One of the alters that fused was my (Amy) romantic partner and just like you described with Kit, I kept reaching for him every time I wanted to feel safe and it was heartbreaking for him to not be there anymore. But I can tell both he and the person he fused with are far happier in their new form. Honestly, I think our host is going to have the hardest time fusing with others (I mean, she dissociated from us for a reason) but if she can figure out how to be more comfortable integrating, then I think final fusion is likely for us eventually.

[@gothicbatcloud]

A few of us fused very recently, but the remainder don't want to yet for various reasons ranging from 'being needed for safety' to 'liking it here'. So, we'd love to be functionally multiple for as long as possible...

[@ConfusedSoup]

Focusing on functional multiplicity, but if fuses happen they happen, ya know? So set on one, open to the other

[@cosplaymistake]

We had a protector in our system fuse with our host to have more stability and protection in the host. We didn’t decide to fuse or even want to just from healing and the need for a more stable host.

[@bucketfan4life]

Tasimo here from The Pizza Brigade. we’re not nearly as out there as some systems… our take on functional multiplicity is that it can work for a lot of systems, it’s what we chose. honestly, the idea of final fusion scares us. we’re not at a state where we can think about that yet. i don’t think it’s an option for us because we all have our day to day roles, there are some who would never go for it and it makes that thought dangerous for us. we’re still trying to figure ourselves out as well and i think that’s part of it. we’re happy with who we are right now and don’t plan on changing any time soon.

[@SylvarSaintStar-eq3pi]

for us, we love both ideas of functional multiplicity and full fusion. both sound leagues more functional than how we are right now, and the way we’ve heard how functional multiplicity can work sounds really nice. idk, we just want to heal.

[@nejdalej]

It's functional multiplicity all the way for us! The idea of fusing scares me and nobody in our system has any desire to do it. I love my headmates so much and I can't imagine my life without them. I like how close we are, our friendships. It gives me life, honestly ❤

[@quillfell496]

We function pretty well as multiple. We’re an OSDD system, and the host, Quill, is front stuck. Theyre really good at managing all of us, but also letting us step up and do our part if they’re out of their depth. -Pantheon

[@airohtheenby]

We recently experienced our first fusion. It’s definitely had its ups and downs but it ultimately felt like what needed to happen. It was our two most distinct and opposite alters. Both had barely fronted, but one had had a very large and negative impact internally. I think it happened because the concentration of their characteristics started to feel more harmful than helpful. We all needed to be more like both of them to survive/thrive, and through living more harmoniously with each other, we had each learned how we could be more like them while still being ourselves. Some more like one than another. It’s required a lot of acceptance, learning, forgiveness, and courage to go through. It’s felt like a form of grief that appears to be leading to more hope. Also it helped to understand that fusing doesn’t necessarily mean you experience all of their memories all at once or even ever. Stuff that would be better forgotten or forgotten for now can stay that way.

[@ilexdiapason]

i'm glad you guys know what's right for you and aren't being pushed to do things you don't want to do!

[@ilexdiapason]

we're probably going to persist as functionally multiple, because we're actually very lucky and don't have full amnesia barriers, more of a memory download after we get back to front - it's nice to have the others here to comfort us when bad things happen (and they sure do), it's nice to see ourselves in the things we watch, it's nice to know that even when parts of our life end, the self that lived them will keep going, because before we knew about our plurality we thought we just became someone else in each chapter and the old was gone for good. and now we know that actually those parts can stay!

[@andreeuzsystem5940]

Hi Kim Kim! We love you! Some of me's want to fuse but most of me's aren't even clear enough about who everyone is. Young parts have been remembering more stuff using EMDR. It's very disturbing and we are just trying to help the little one feel safe and not let protector parts fall back on blaming the little ones. Like, for the protectors, vulnerability itself is a sin. So we are very far from capable of final fusion, whether we want it or not! Thank you for your very helpful video! I will look into your sponsor now!!! ❤❤❤❤❤

[@andreeuzsystem5940]

Just to clarify, my main protector (no gender) does not blame the littles, but the protectors who deal with se-ual stuff do, kind of automatically and by accident. We are working on it.

[@QueerUnstableAnarchist]

We cant fuse finally, we are classified as having "More alters in the system than atoms in the world" the thought of final fusion is so stressful to us because we cant think of fusing and its just "EW" for us. So we just think more on functional mutiplicity is better for us.

[@m3tamorphosissystem250]

We only have 7 alters, how is that possible?

[@flippinkatbug]

​@@m3tamorphosissystem250look into poly fragmented systems

[@anomaly9186]

Generally systems are created in response to their environment in the case of large "polyfragmented" systems their systems tend to be larger because of the patterns of their abuse and have more layers, there is also more splitting to seperate the emotions, memories etc of their trauma sorry if its an incomplete explaination my memory is kind of bad cause I have adhd in addition to being a system, you can also be a large non "polyfragmented" system but just as a general rule systems are created as a response to their environment is what I was trying to say but rambled I guess

[@benbaker2965]

I am not polyfragmented but the systems I know are quite complex and fluid. They fuse and split but are too complicated, and so are their traumas. Much respect to the polyfrags out there.

[@SoulSystem-ff6jo]

Oh my goodness! We’re also polyfragmented, and the response some of us had when our ex therapist (who was terrible and NOT a DID specialist) asked why we didn’t want to fuse was also, “Ew, no.”

[@miraculous121]

I want to fuse because it causes me so many memory issues, inconsistencies with what I want to do with my life and I always have this feeling that something is missing. Being all me all the time would be amazing tho I’d want to keep my protectors around until the last of the fusions I think. Or I would reach out to lots of friends for support so I don’t have to keep relying on keeping myself separated from myself 💔 I often ‘don’t feel like myself’ and whilst I appreciate each part of me I’d rather be able to be them all mixed into one than have them separate and not even really remember how some of them act and causing issues in my life with people I care about and my goals

[@toast82]

I fused in a very large fusion where two subsystems had integrated and we'd decided on a few fusions between members. Instead we got confused and like 15 of us fused into me, Percy. This was a poorly planned event that to be honest caused a lot of grief at the time once we realised our mistake. I was sobbing terrified of what it meant. It took over a month for me (the new/old host) to find out who I actually am and it was very confusing. Now I am so much more emotionally stable than I used to be, I'm able to state boundaries without switching, face aggression and I have several hobbies that don't all speak over each other instead the skills leaned to each other in large projects. I am so happy in this and I want to final fuse. I want to see what that looks like, what kind of skills would I have? I'm so happy and confident in my identity but I still feel like there's more and I see that more in the alters around me. The rest of my system disagree. Some don't want to fuse, some want to fuse but couldn't imagine a life that we arent a system and wont consider anything beyond functional multiplicity. The idea of not having each other there for support is scary. We're really far of either becoming a reality and none of us aren't open to the idea of change but yeah that's where we are. sidenote: the process of fusing was awful, it was a badly planned out event and we shouldn't have done it Ike that but totally worth it i love existing as this

[@jessqinn7702]

Thank you. It was really cool to hear your take on how things are for you all. For me. While dissociative identity disorder was brought up by a long term therapist and their work with me for those 10 years was around that, I have never been officially diagnosed and there have been no psychiatrists who believe in the disorder or believe that I have it. I argued with the therapist the whole time, because I didn’t want to work on things through that lens if it was wrong. Yet the therapist would counter that with ‘the more you don’t accept it, the longer this work will take’ kind of thing? So I didn’t even get to fully believe in myself with parts, let alone myself as one? Things ended badly with that therapist over other things. And in the 2 years since I’ve tried maybe 5 other therapists. None of whom believed in DID or parts, and who offered different lenses to look at things from. During those 2 years, the parts that were known and were around every day got less and less. And with it, the feeling you described of something missing. A hole where they used to be. Trying to reach out to them and they’re not there. It’s horrible. Trying to do things I used to do that certain parts liked and either I can’t do it or I can’t feel any enjoyment and mostly feel sad. I don’t know what’s real. Maybe I had it? Maybe I didn’t? Whatever the case - I am miserable. But as to fusion. I hated the idea of fusion - but mainly because I didn’t understand. I liked that most sources said if it’s right, it will feel right. And like you, other people I had heard about (online) who had fused said it was such a positive thing. But I didn’t even get to believe in me as a part. Let alone fusing. Good luck to anyone out there.

[@sammy431]

The gender and/or sexuality mess of fusion 🙄 fusion doesn’t care that I spent a decade unlearning comphet and becoming a confident he/him butch lesbian over the course of 3 years, nooo, my brain just looked at that and smooshed Kate and I together (which mentally was great and worked out) and suddenly I’m bisexual and my gender is ???? but certainly not butch! A mess 😂 I used to be a lot more afraid of final fusion because I didn’t want to be alone, I enjoyed getting to lean on my alters and chat with them. But there was a situation with some poor therapy where the aforementioned Kate and I were frontlocked for over two years and lost contact with the rest of the system. We fused during that time and while at first it was frustrating, I realized I didn’t feel alone in the way that I thought I would? Sure Kate wasn’t cocon chatting with me, but she was *part* of me. She wasn’t gone. And while we aren’t working towards final fusion, it doesn’t scare us anymore and maybe one day our goal will change. But for now, we are very happy being multiple.

[@ZijnShayatanica]

Oof, that sounds rough! I'm a trans guy & it took me until 30 to start accepting that, so I've had top surgery & been on hormones, but now it seems like I have a teenage/early 20s alter who is very much a GNC girl- androgynous but also doesn't mind when someone misgenders me. It's been very confusing, since I don't have full amnesia with that part of me... If they didn't feel so separate to me, I'd start gaslighting myself again into thinking I've made up the trans thing. 😂🤣

[@charmainede-bell8763]

From what you quoted about it probably not being possible for those of advanced age, I guess we're stuck as we are, but we're content with that

[@paigeloria7926]

I was so confused when I read the title. I’m glad I waited and was patient and watched the video lol. Question though: when you reach the point of functional multiplicity would you then no longer meet criteria for DID and it be more like OSDD1b? Since ( my understanding) is that the end goal of functional multiplicity is little or no amnesia barriers between parts so you would then have access to all past and present memories. As a treater of DID I default to functional multiplicity and I honestly would have to seek consultation for a system who wanted fusion.

[@TheEntropySystem]

As we see it, we will always have DID. Even if we achieve full fusion, our brain developed the ability to create alters with amnesia barriers between them. It will always have the capacity to do that in response to extreme stress. We’re obviously not medical professionals but it feels weird to change the title of what we have simply because we live functionally with it. -Wyn

[@paigeloria7926]

@@TheEntropySystem thank you for sharing your thoughts and personal perspectives! I can’t really see a therapeutic benefit to changing the title either either unless of course the system advocates for the change. I was just curious about how you all interpreted the future for how you might identify. Thanks again for sharing!

[@oscollective]

We've reached functional multiplicity and our current goal is just healing, whatever form that takes. We're not sure we'll ever be able to reach or maintain final fusion just due to the nature of our trauma and our system size (there's thousands of us), but if it happens we won't be mad about it.

[@thefreckledwonder1140]

We've been having fusion conversations lately as a system and it was honestly a little funny seeing this video come out and being like "Huh good timing" lol. Honestly fusion of any kind, even if its not final fusion has always scared me a bit, and this video really helped but it in perspective for me. Our experiences with alters fusing have been mixed, and like you mentioned its not always "Smooth sailing" (I mean when is it ever but you get my point), but seeing you talk about it so honestly and with your own experiences, its made it easier for me to have that conversation with our system instead of shying away from it and just sorta ignoring it. Great video as always, and have a great day! (Side note, For us its probably always gonna be functional multiplicity, as like you mentioned we like being us and dont want our dynamics to change)

[@libbywelty]

Hello Kim Kim and everyone else in the system! I just want you all to know that I am very proud of you.

[@TangleHamain]

Personally, we have chosen Functional Multiplicity instead of Final Fusion because.. we don't feel like we need or have to all fully fuse to work and live in this world. We have our integrations and fusions (and even splits of course) and these are already scary things for all of us. And so, we think that fully fusing would just be more damaging to us (at this moment I am writting this comment) than just working together to live a "normal" life. Though, we would love to speak to a professional about it as soon as we can to see what would be best for us in the long run.

[@SamanthaCharlesworth-t1d]

We want final fusion but we're not getting our hopes up incase it doesn't happen ❤

[@sygilloux-v2]

We stopped fusing in February (at 3 of us) and opted to keep certain walls up. I still miss several of us tho. Some were just, so comforting to have beside me in their times and ive never been good at losing people, no matter how experienced i am with it. I am greatful for those we've become though.🌙

[@Icyyyparrot]

I love the idea of fusion, having to be multiple lives at the same time fucking sucks, I hate living in a body that's not mine, living a life that's not mine, but at the same time I'm terrified of fusion. I don't want to "Stop existing." As a caretaker, I am also really worried. We handle change terribly too, so probably not a good option. For me, I feel a lot safer as a system. There's always someone to take care of certain tasks. Yes it's very messy, but we're used to it. Yes we have terrible amnesia, but do I really want the host and littles knowing about the trauma? My system is mostly protectors too, so without them I feel a lot more vulnerable to experiencing trauma again. I'm not against fusion, but I am very scared of it.

[@Vares65]

Thanks, this was very educational. I appreciate you taking the time to make this video.

[@themoonlit-wolf3773]

I just got an official DID diagnosis and I really don’t know what to do or feel with this. I thought fakeclaiming myself would go down but it really hasn’t I don’t know what to do

[@johnh.1057]

Se really missed you, glad you back on KZbin

[@RialVestro]

We use to want fusion but don't think it's really even an option anymore.

[@practicepositiveprogress5396]

I love that yall love functional multiplicity. I love that yall like being yall, individually and collectively.

[@settheshallow8913]

This was a... fun? video for me as an... ex-system? That's what I call myself now, but I'm not sure how accurate that terminology is. I never really settled into a stable paradigm, even when I was myriad. When I was we, we kept getting shuffled about, to the point where we came to count 'iterations' with major changes. In the last shuffle... I just popped up alone. Which was interesting. Similarly can sense the influence of predesescors in me, so I know I'm alone. Because yeah a lot of your experiences sound similar to mine, despite us never having amnesiac barriers. Was a fun video! Thanks!

[@ariannay766]

I'm so glad you made this video! I'm a singlet with a lot of system friends and final fusion is like. the number one thing about systems I've been confused about and wanted to learn more about! Basically, no one I know well has talked about wanting final fusion but I knew that some people do want it. And it sounded unappealing in a way that like... I couldn't understand as a singlet because it sounded like death. But the way you explain it I get why it would be something some but not all alters and systems want.

[@kiarimarie]

It seems like big life changes can also change their treatment path. Mostly thinking of Multiplicity & Me. It seems just having a healthy attitude when it comes to fusion in general is important.

[@GianuSystem]

Imagine our surprise at watching one of the vids of a fav creator of ours and getting a shout out! ^_^ It's been super important for us to balance how positive an experience unification (great word!) has been for us with how very much it shouldn't be pushed as the end all be all for systems. We literally just finished filming a vid about the cons of fusion because they definitely exist, and if people think fusion is the great healing end for DID, how disappointed will they be if future splits happen ('cuz they totally can)? We didn't become "all better" when fusion happened. We're still in therapy, still doing trauma processing, still healing.

[@SoulSystem-ff6jo]

Aww! Hiiii! It’s good to see you here! I’m excited for us to watch your video and see your take on fusion, too! 💕

[@TheEntropySystem]

You make awesome content! We love following your journey -Annie

[@GianuSystem]

@@TheEntropySystemAww! Thanks! I don’t know why we didn’t get a notification of your comment, but we feel the same about y’all. ☺️

[@conniehankosky5750]

We have a taboo view of systemhood, that being that it’s really fucking cool. We love being a family of people sharing a body. It’s a sort of intimate joy given to us and us alone. We love ourselves individually and we love each other. We love being a team. Our life is a tapestry of colors this way, and there’s something so deeply satisfying about that

[@TheEntropySystem]

We feel the same way!! -Wyn

[@marqsward]

Such a perfect analogy, yes!

[@abbiepancakeeater52]

Final fusion is something we collectively want, possibly since we're polyfragmented and thus we have weaker dissociative barriers than other systems? That's how I understand it at least. A lot of polyfragmented DID systems experience more fragmented dissociation which ends up causing a lot more blurriness and bleedthrough than a system who has maybe thirty alters. (We have 65 and that's just the ones I know of. Also ofc the way our system is structured in layers adds to it.) However we're only going for functional multiplicity right now. Final fusion feels so daunting as a system with so many fragments. We do fuse easily but we also split easily :/ Trauma gets processed and there's a high chance we'll fuse. but if new trauma of any kind occurs and we don't properly manage it, a bunch of new splits happen. Also we seem to at least currently function much better as multiple. Being able to interact with our trauma from a detached place helps us function better than being forced to accept its reality head on. For us, we've always experienced being an inconsistent mess of a person, so the idea of fusing into one person isn't far off from how we've always experienced life. We never have felt like multiple people, just one inconsistent and moody person lol That's a take from a polyfragmented system. I'm curious if this is a more common take for those with less typical experiences of DID. Since our trauma became so compartmentalized, we don't have as complex of alters as other systems seem to, nor as many complex parts. The amount of bleedthrough and passive influence that happens really affects our sense of individuality.

[@crossroads3]

We're VERY divided on the debate of final fusion vs functional multiplicity and it has definitely put pressure on us as a system. We're a very large and complex polyfrag system so unpacking *everything* and bringing *everyone* together might not even be possible for us, but there's still a good number of alters who are adamant that it's what we should work towards. We've been in therapy for just over a year now, so still in a pretty early stage, and I guess this is something we should bring up with our therapist at some point. I do believe that some systems are better off without final fusion and it should be everyone's own choice that's discussed and agreed upon with a mental health professional.

[@maureenp2248]

Your videos are all so informative! Something I'd be interested in seeing a video about, if you guys are up for it, would be what life was like for alters other than Wyn before Wyn knew they had DID. Like, were they also unaware of being part of a system, or if they were aware, did they have to do anything to make sure Wyn didn't learn about them?

[@DavinSkirvin]

what happened to me is after we like became healthier my two alters just...went to sleep? I could still feel them there until one day they just werent...and like headspace stopped existing too. i still miss them but ultimately i have my independance as one person now and am happier overall. I never set out to lose them but thats just how my brain did it. I didnt get there memories when i integrated though. I thought I would but thats okay i guess.

[@jaxfrater8318]

Fabulous vid. You sound so happy and confident in your choices. We don't want to be jeff either. Definitely have had some partial fusions with certain insiders over the years but mostly, we function well this way now. Weve fought and overcome together

[@CNomeysWorld]

Being functional should always be no1 . Being stable, having communication not only with alter/headmates/parts/ but also with the world around and the people around . It’s like jumping in the pool. If u don’t use the jump but u use the stairs u have more control how u hit the water and how far u get into it but when u go for the big jump u need to do it a certain way or u belly flop and that hurts. It gives breathing space for a save improvement.

[@logan4633]

We've never felt like final fusion is possible for us because of how easily we form new alters, we're polyfragmented, there's like 300 of us that we're aware of. But even so, it's never appealed to us, most of us like existing as ourselves. We've had quite a few fusions between people that wanted to fuse and those were great, I'm very happy for those people, but we have had 2 forced fusions where none of the alters wanted to fuse. Witnessing how stressful those fusions were for those people and the negative impacts it's had on the fused alter has set in stone that final fusion isn't an option for us. As chaotic as our system can be, most of us still love being ourselves and couldn't imagine living any other way

[@airohtheenby]

For us, functional multiplicity is definitely the goal. If fusion/unification happens as a result of us having more effective and compassionate communication than that’s that. It feels dangerous to think of it as a good or bad thing. I don’t want anyone to feel ashamed for being a system or for wanting to fuse. Discrimination sucks, but I like to believe that we don’t have to be the same to be happy. The person each of us is changes with each new experience. It matters much more if our wellbeing is improving than if the development of an identity is leading towards one another or running parallel.

[@KateCantDraw]

Wha? What happening? Oh ok this is about functional multiplicity I was like "WAIT HUH YOU'RE JUST ALL FUSING? NOW!?" Like of course do what y'all think is best for you guys but I got freaking Whiplash!

[@aalesu]

I'm not a system but this video is kind of beautiful, I love how every system is different and just like everything in life not everyone wants the same. Btw this made me think could it also be that for some, having alters give you company a lot of the time? like I imagine you guys don't usually feel lonely, gives me that impression idk if it is really like that but the idea seems cute to me

[@elliwesishawkins4799]

Fusion also feels like death in the greaving sense, two of my alters were in a very close relationship and one integrated over time as she realized she wasn’t needed anymore and even though she is still there (the alter she fused with is a mix of both of them and has a name change) the fused alter doesn’t have that relationship with him and he grieved her for a long time wrote her song and everything it was rough we all miss her. Sure her quirks and opinions exsist in the fused alter but not her consciousness and it took a year to really process that. Of course, it could be different for everyone but that has been my experience so far. Functional multiplicity is the goal at least for now, we don’t really feel the need to set a goal of integration because so far integration has been the personal choice of the alters who are ready and pushing everyone to ready themselves to be one person feels like it defeats the purpose of having that community within oneself to help each other as needed.

[@t-e-c-system]

What should matter is living the healthiest and best life possible, regardless of alter count. That's our goal. If we reach unification some day, great. If we stay in functional multiplicity land forever, great. Natural fusions should be allowed to happen, and do not equal alter death, but there can be a healthy period of mourning the old ways. Forced fusions suck, and won't necessarily "stick" - you may not get exactly the same play-doh pieces when the ball falls back apart, but it definitely can. Like everything else with DID, fusion is messy. Sometimes it's quick and obvious, sometimes it's slow and has no single clear "bam, thou art fused!" moment, sometimes its permanent, sometimes its not. Accepting that and just rolling with it seems to be the way to go, in our view. Your mileage may vary. Slippery when wet. Batteries not included.

[@koko_24bun]

due to mainly autism and bpd, i dont think unification or final fusion will be an option for us within the next 1 or 2 decades. we still rely on being a system way too much for that, as sometimes for example dissociating from a favourite person until you meet them the next time can take an immense load of pain away, that would otherwise be very apparent if the alter who made the connection couldnt just get out of reach. working on dealing with these feelings to the point where theyre not heavy enough for one unit of person to functionally carry them might never be possible. aside from that i really relate to your perspective on the herb metaphor. we use tree metaphors for our system. healthy multiplicity for us would be having access to the entire treee but being able to just sit on one branch if another one is unstable or freshly modified. final fusion would be forcing the all the branches into one. branches can get hurt while doing so, and if that result fouls, the entire tree dies and theres no fixing thanks for this interesting video!

[@jennpod2378]

Definitely prefer the term unification! When system was first discovered we thought we wanted unification, but as time has gone on we were happy with FM. However saying that, we have had a lot of fusions and can see benefits of both. So we are “going with the flow” as our main caretaker always gently suggests.

[@jennpod2378]

However I need to add- organic and not forced is always the way to go- I think all systems should aim for functional multiplicity and then whatever happens from there is up to each system.

[@awesomeenbyperson714]

For us the goal was and always has even functional multiplicity having the ability to function and work together is what we’ve always wanted and for us final fusion is not our path like who would we be if we all fused? We’re open to like integration and stuff but functional multiplicity is what we know is best for us

[@CrowGarroway]

We are going to be working with functional multiplicity since we have been doing work with the system since 2016 (when we first started to be able to communicate with each other) and our family (safe chosen family many states from the reason for our DID) and friends are aware of our system. We wouldn’t change that level of connectivity for the world. And the thought of not having help and support terrifies me. Our system is in a way family and friends. We have our good days and our bad days, just like anyone else. Plus we aren’t far enough in treatment to consider what life would be like with them since even though we are safe, we aren’t stable. -Masquerade System

[@lemonfelonies124]

in some situations isn't it also just impossible to completely fuse is that included in one of the options listed and I just didn't understand cuz I've heard that before specifically in regards to larger systems

[@paradox13]

We want at least partial unification, right now there's too many parts and not enough agreement, and it's really hard; but maybe in the future we'll be able to work together better ^^ edit: and we love the way you talked about this and super relate to it!! we've experienced several "forced" fusions and they sucked, the ones who wanted to fuse were nothing but lovely and freeing and completionary - it's opened so many doors and feelings we never could've experienced without those fusions.

[@highfae]

The way I understand it, it wouldn't be changing yourself to become Jeff, it would be accepting You-- who contains both the traits of You compartmentalized into Jeff and the parts of You compartmentalized elsewhere as 'other' You's. The same thing is happening when we understand multiple lifetimes. Bashar is one of many spiritual teachers who talks about the simultaneity of All Existence, so those lifetimes of you you think of past and future actually exist Now, but You from the soul level are composed of these selves like cells (cellves)-- they all exist at once but are compartmentalized by their level of allowing All You Are-- like white light split into different colors by a prism. Bashar refers to the eternal process of 'unification' as Integration. We are always reintegrating whatever is relevant to the reality we are choosing to experience Now. Just like a painter creating colors from their available palette as they need it to finetune their art, so we are ever-shifting the color of ourselves we express as needed for the experience we are choosing to be cooperative to. He teaches that we experience as reality whatever we choose to believe, that reality is in a fact a mirror, the manifested form of whatever story you're choosing to tell. I think the difference is like thinking of the body as component parts versus how the brain compiles those parts into personhood. But where do you draw the line, because those organs are composed of cells, and those cells are composed of parts too-- their own organs. But it is fractal. It is always You. Those cells are you, just as these cellves are you, composing Your Soul (which is composed of the moments of You you create, all of the differentiations of Your Being). You are always only You, expressing in the infinite ways You can. 😊 If at all interested in the perspective I've shared, Abraham Hicks is also an amazing resource that has shaped my understanding.

[@c-3786]

This made me realize something… I think a lot of me decided to fuse without telling me 😢I thought I was just “doing better”, but I love my parts. One had been pushed away by someone else- actually there were parts of me they hated and parts they didn’t understand. Now I’m going through both a very hard time (grief/loss) and a very exciting time (falling in love). And my anxiety is worse lately. This new person I love brings out all my parts. It’s dizzying we all want to meet him and spend time with him and be around him. None of my is really not ok with this… but I also don’t know who’s still here except some of the littles and my more sexual side and a seemingly almost new or never before met part who is suddenly getting like…. All of her needs taken care of. It’s so confusing

[@kinashy8863]

Everyone is different and needs/likes different things

[@PhoenixAnima88]

We work in functional multiplicity ❤ Team work 🥰

[@krovidae]

I'm curious to know if you've gotten to the bottom of _why_ exactly Kit ended up fusing when no-one in the system was trying to make it happen. It sounds like Kit or even some others felt that it was on the way before it actually happened, but have you come to understand what set the process in motion? (Don't worry if you don't want to go into it, I understand you still feel grief around her absence; wishing you all peace and healing 🧡)

[@TheEntropySystem]

I don’t know if we’ll ever know the why beyond the brain seeing we hadn’t been social in 6 months and deciding we didn’t need a social protector anymore. -Wyn

[@ZeebieVideos]

narcissistic (positive) ❤

[@Graanvlok]

The thumbnail: Kim Kim on the left, Wyn on the right?

[@TheEntropySystem]

Both just Kim Kim posing for the thumbnail after she filmed :P -Blitzø

[@Graanvlok]

@@TheEntropySystem Right! 😆

[@SamanthaCharlesworth-t1d]

Did Dr. Jessica Mann fuse? Sending love for your healing❤

[@TheEntropySystem]

She fused a few months after she split off. She wanted to and her joy spread to all of us :) -Wyn

[@SamanthaCharlesworth-t1d]

@@TheEntropySystem 👍🥰❤️

[@SamanthaCharlesworth-t1d]

@@TheEntropySystem We've followed you since becoming self-aware in 2019 aged 33. We're now diagnosed and just want to say thank you. It's been a privilege to be alongside your journey (albeit on the other side of a screen...and from Scotland!) and a great help in times of struggle. Love and blessings to you all🥰🫂❤️

[@Sieggis]

Really good question. I... Don't know. Looking years back when I wasn't aware, I thought I was just very chaotic ADHDer with severe trauma background, you know :b But now that I am aware of the WHY it's a bit more chaotic... Maybe? Tho. I know I'm not the only one that wants to be out and host. But that part of us is different and carries our life very differently. I'm curious of what kind of whole would we be. But I'm also scared that what if it's something... Not desirable. Unstable. Who are we gonna turn over to/rely on, when there's just the whole having to live this current situation of our life? Like... I'd say, I'd like to be able to see how it'd be and then ask the others how they liked it, if that makes sense 🙈

[@catmommy23]

Please don't fuse.We love all of you guys ❤

[@evanskyler]

We're still talking about this? Basically me and every system I know is pretty "no fusion" leaning. I think fusion is just a comfort for singlets. I've never met a system that was into the idea. No offense to any system that is pro fusion. Deffo a personal choice and not anything anyone can decide for you.

[@nathanbernards]

Narcasistic investment didn't sit well with us either. Kinda gross way of saying I like being me

[@nathanbernards]

Narcissistic?? Excuse me!??

[@QueerUnstableAnarchist]

54 seconds

[@tlwf.system]

Functional multiplicity. we’re like y’all. Very scared. I like my parts. Maybe not poly fragmented. Not the overt and covert part but I was be a happy healthy stable US. I need some of them! I would honestly cry if a few of my main ones that been around first, left me all of a sudden. That made me cry 😭 ugh so emotional today 🤧 sorry! Had a rough day. But it hit me in the feels. Honestly thank you 🙏 now I have a good clean easy to understand video to show my current psych who’s learning with me on this journey and wasn’t aware of FM. She’s trying. She’s going to conferences for DID just so that she can help me more, BUT, in that conference she told me my last session that studies and now saying that you don’t need to remember any of your memories to hear from the ID you just gotta rewire your brain. I actually got really mad about that cause New information is New information you know what I mean like I don’t have any memories. I need my memories back we actually had a bit of a tiff, at my last session because she wasn’t understanding Like very frustrating I love it a bit. She saved my life but damn. ❤ thanks always for your honestly. So sorry for my typing. Having a bad one. ❤