Why YODA was Wrong and LUKE is Making the Same Mistakes | Star Wars Breakdown

[@ScreenCrush]

What other heroes were wrong?

[@MARLEYDIDIT]

*Your Mom*

[@phoule76]

Homelander, obvs

[@brucelau2023]

Disney

[@e3vL1]

Mando. Grogu is a sith

[@onbedoeldekut1515]

Bowie's.

[@rasalpaul4574]

Qui Gon Jinn's philosophy was the right choice.

[@breathofdifferentair1950]

Wasn't he considered a Grey Jedi due to his way of thinking?

[@LucarioShirona]

@@breathofdifferentair1950 that is because the Jedi Council had gotten too political and forgotten the importance of emotion and attachments, that’s why they fell, and why Anakin in Return of the Jedi used his brief moment of emotion and attachment from Luke to defeat Palpetine.

[@digitalarsenal5234]

Qui Gon wasn't perfect, either. He saw some flaws, but he makes a critical mistake in the first five minutes of episode I. Kenobi vaguely senses Sidious's plot, and Jinn dismisses it as a distraction from the present. This ultimately leads to Qui-Gon's undoing.

[@megadong2398]

Yeah cause he was a gay Jedi

[@irmese06]

@Jiomancy Who is more foolish? The fool? Or the fool who follows him? [Anxious Wookiee moan]

[@est1981LA]

Ryan, I'm a big fan. Never ceases to amaze me how you explain your perspective so well, and reinforce it with pop culture clips/references. The Bruce Lee clip was 🤯. Keep up the great work!

[@Preprogrammedpatsy]

Love how you emphasized that its just his perspective. So many people jump on him, ecen though ita just a different opinion

[@christophersimons6560]

I have never realized obi wan said “you must kill vader” and yoda only said confront. Very interesting point.

[@jedimasters1462]

I wonder if Obi-Wan kind of did a play on words. Could he have really meant that Luke needed to get Vader to return to being Anakin? After all, he didn't tell Luke to kill his father. He said specifically to kill Darth Vader.

[@sevareth9167]

@@jedimasters1462 i think your answer will be in the obi wan series

[@SapperRJMorgan]

Symbolically he “killed” Vader and right before his death he was Anakin again.

[@jacklandy5704]

@@jedimasters1462 Maybe he wanted him to kill Vader like how Vader killed Anakin

[@theechoproject899]

Yeah, Obi-Wan literally gave up on Vader. Yoda did not. Obi-Wan was not being clever or wise, just someone who lost hope the villain could be redeemed, just like Leia did in Last Jedi, with Luke playing the Yoda role in the end.

[@stu_1e]

The irony of the Jedi Code is that it's actually not so much the will of the Force, as it is the subjective views of the Jedi masters who wrote the Jedi Path, which were insightful, yes, but not infallible. So Yoda being so dogmatic with the Jedi Code was in and of itself misguided. And Yoda dealing in absolutes reminds me of that one time when Obi Wan himself said, "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." (Which, ironically enough, is a pretty absolutist thing to say on Obi Wan's part. Looks like plenty of Jedi deal in absolutes too.)

[@macinvictus]

Which is why Palpatine could so easily shsow that the Sith and Jedi were almost exactly alike

[@jacksonpollock814]

Just like all religion. Which is what the 'force' is based on.

[@munninn3823]

If you point out that someone always deals in absolutes your making absolute statement but you are not dealing in absolutes. Deals in absolutes means black or white thinking which is a fallacy. To a Sith everything is black or white there never is a third option

[@lorddemon8019]

@@munninn3823 the "no attachment" rule seems pretty absolute to me, the way they dealt with anakin or ashoka's doubts or suffering was pretty absolute too, it was as if they were judged for feeling doubts or worries and were threatened and criminalized by those who Thought to be their companions, Anakin and Ashoka received no empathy, solidarity, or understanding from the Jedi Order, only threats, prejudice, and betrayal. In addition, Obi Wan himself when he talks to Luke literally tells him "you must kill vader"...where is the third option?

[@munninn3823]

@@lorddemon8019 Deals in absolutes means you believe there never is a third option . The sith believe there never is a third option where the Jedi believe a third option exists at least some of the time Jedi thinking and Sith thinking are both flawed but for very different reasons

[@jagray02]

I have been complaining to friends that Luke’s allegiance to the Jedi code of forbidding attachments makes no sense. It was clearly his love for his father that redeemed Anakin in the end, and Luke’s strong bonds with Han, Leia and the others ultimately helped him defeat the Empire. I mean, he even risked all of their lives to rescue Han from a Hutt! And the master/padawan relationships seems to violate the forbidden development of attachments in the first place. The Jedi’s forbidding of attachment/relationships makes no sense to me at all.

[@3GearsTurning]

If memory serves me right, Legends Luke was aware of how the Jedi Code was flawed and when he created the New Jedi Order, he allow marriages, understood the positives/negatives of both light and dark, and other things I can't remember at this time

[@benthecat4345]

He even married Mara Jade and had a child with her in Legends. Why didn't Disney use that Luke instead of the Luke they used?

[@chrisvasko16]

This has always been my problem with the sequels. It never made sense for Luke to go back to the old ways.

[@spectrem]

I think that’s why Lukes new Order failed. He went back against everything that made him succeed against the Emperor

[@munninn3823]

Love is the death of duty. Attachments can interfere with being fully dedicated to their duties to the Jedi order .

[@colonelb]

The psychologist Carl Jung said that people have a "persona" - the part of themselves they are proud of and like that they show to the world, all the "good parts" of themselves, and that people also have a "shadow" - the part of themselves they are ashamed of and hate and that they hide from the world, all the "bad parts" of themselves. He said that "avoiding or repressing your shadow" would just lead to problems, and that the "right solution" was that you need to "integrate your shadow" - stop being ashamed of those bad parts of yourself, learn to control them, and learn when and how to use them when you need them. Carl Jung would have been a great Jedi Master.

[@CircusOfFive]

I suspect that Ezra Bridger is one of the force weilders who will learn to "bridge" the gap between light and dark and find that balance - this always seemed to be the open secret subtext of his journey. Think of all the characters he can count as friends or allies. Most especially Ezra being mentored by masters of both light side and dark sides of the force: Kanaan and Maul.

[@UToobUsername01]

He also looks half evil based on his nose. Disney characters that are evil usually have the hooked goblin nose. He will kill all jedi and no more knight only evil people left to fight amoungst themselves for the hottest twilek p*ssy.

[@johnwotek3816]

"Ezra Bridger is one of the force weilders who will learn to "bridge" the gap between light and dark and find that balance" That's not how the force works. Balance is to be found in the light side, but it's hard, because it's not supposed to be easy to find balance in life. The dark side only offer an illusion, to lure you and feast from your flaws. Dark side offer raw power. You'll be the strongest man in the galaxy in no time, but it will destroy you. Light side offer balance, but you'll have to be worthy. You'll cultivate your strenght to reach that balance. It will be hard, failure will be met, but perseverance will be rewarded. Maul tale is one of tragedy. He never accomplished anything. He was taken from his loved one and manipulated by Palpatine, to bring death and pain upon the galaxy. Left on his own, he only seek revenge. From Kenobi, from Palpatine. In his path, only destruction can be found. He killed countless innocent to hurt other, destroyed civilisation, then ran one of the biggest criminal syndicate in the galaxy. In his quest, he only managed to loose his only friend, and in the end, he died, alone, no accomplishement under his belt beside the death and destruction he caused. Kanann Jarrus tale was also a tragedy. But his actions made a difference. He built something. He had a familly, with the Ghost crew and even more with her captain. He passed the torch of the Jedi order to Ezra. He saved countless live, even in his last moment. His action inspired other, to rebel against a brutal and tyranical governement. He wasn't the most important Jedi in the galaxy, he didn't get that much says in the event of the star wars galaxy, but he did his part, and it had a positive impact. There is no gap to bridge between the light and the dark side.

[@UToobUsername01]

@@johnwotek3816 The "dark + light = balance" star wars fans are like idiotic cultists who just make stuff up and say it's "star wars lore". They never bothered watching the movies which do not mention anything about this concept. It must be something out of carl jung and they are applying this concept to the star wars universe.

[@johnwotek3816]

​@@UToobUsername01 I strongly suspect the grey Jedi circlejerk, those edgy fanfic writer whom wanted all the cool Sith power without the darkside corruption part. That or taking too seriously the old joke of Darth Vader pretenting that reducing the force user pool to two Jedi and two Sith was bringing balance to the force.

[@Verebazs]

Stop with this BS about bridging the ligth and dark side. It's not a Yin-Yang thing! The Dark side is a corruption of the Force, not the counter-balance to the Light. Lucas himself explained that.

[@rtfunn]

It seems throughout the full Star Wars saga, fear is the overriding motivator of the Jedi. Fear of the dark side, fear of attachment, fear of losing a war, fear of being seen as problematic to the Senate. And as we all know, “fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering “

[@jedimasters1462]

Obi-Wan was actually very bad at fearing attachments. Lol. He grea attached to Qui-Gon, Anakin, Luke, a couple of women in the books or Clone Wars....He just didn't let their deaths or turning to stop him from doing what he needed to do.

[@DMSProduktions]

@@jedimasters1462 Duchess Satine Kryse:Am I a JOKE to you?

[@jedimasters1462]

@@DMSProduktions Did Obi-Wan stop being a Jedi because of her?

[@DMSProduktions]

@@jedimasters1462 NO, but he did consider it at 1 stage!

[@MogtheMad0422]

I definitely agree with the politicizing of the council. The reason Dooku turned his back, was because they wanted to cover up Qui Gon's death and the re-emergence of the Sith.

[@kevchar177]

I want Grogu's first words to be: "the way, this is"

[@sdqsdq6274]

nah , its " This is the way "

[@cartergerman2860]

@@sdqsdq6274 you slow?

[@sethseth9059]

"the way, this is. I have spoken."

[@patrickmcglonejr8163]

That would be epic

[@Joe-xo4yg]

😂😂 🤙🏾

[@Jay-ate-a-bug]

Jedi were taught that fear was a path to the Dark side, yet that was still teaching the Jedi to fear. Fear, anger, Jealousy, attachment were all taught in this manner with a fear of being corrupted by the Dark side. Anger Management classes taught me one thing important: You will always get angry and anger is a normal emotion (although it is generally a secondary emotion provoked by a fear of some type). It is what you do with your anger that matters and that is where the Jedi truly failed. Jedi should have been taught how to cope with their emotions instead of repressing them as a sin. A true Jedi that could cope with their own emotions would never fall to the dark side. No matter how much their enemies tried to make them afraid, or angry, a master of their emotions would always be able to overcome them by not giving into those emotions.

[@JJourdenaisART]

This is exactly where I thought the sequel trilogy was going. A new order, perfectly balanced between Light and Dark. No more Jedi, something else, something New. But nooooooooo we got that thing.

[@andrewshandle]

Somehow, Palpatine returned…

[@bigjohn08865]

@@andrewshandle The explanation is such nonsense. While plummeting to his death Palpatine was able to transfer his immortal soul across the galaxy into the body (or avatar) of a clone. That clone apparently then experienced advanced aging which is why Palpatine looks so ancient.

[@andrewshandle]

@@bigjohn08865 Given the plan revolved around him waiting 30+ years to "somehow return", you think he could have waited 24 hours longer to release his stupid spam email to the Galaxy to at least let his ships take off from the planet. ;)

[@amateur-madman3047]

Honestly when I heard Luke basically say that caring for Mando was a defiance of the Jedi way I immediately got the feeling of “oh no, not this again”.

[@Cutie_panther]

Wasn't the same extreme ways of their creed what led the Mandalorians to their extinction? They are kinda forcing Grogu to choose between a failde faith or a failed system. My guess is that Luke's plan is that Grogu choose being a Jedi without the deatachment from Din Djarin nor the Mandalorian ways.

[@minerpvpgaming2160]

No The Jedi code is about selflessness and if u have attachments u will value them over the galaxy and misuse ur power (the force abilities a Jedi would have) to keep ur attachments So Luke is letting grogu choose if he wants to let go of his attachments and be a selfless jedi or have attachments and not be a jedi

[@minerpvpgaming2160]

Anakin could have just quit the Jedi if he wanted his attachments but he tried to have both and that’s why he fell to the dark side The Jedi are also at fault since they made anakin feel like he could not trust them and did not ever ask him if he wanted to be a Jedi (except qui gon) that’s why Luke is asking to make sure that only people who want to be Jedi become jedi

[@TakeasRealm]

but since din got expelled from the mandalorians, grogu does not neccessarily have to become a religous-mando like the armorer is. maybe din and grogu will "explore" a new creed/way for mandalorians to go by while still honoring the original creed.

[@minerpvpgaming2160]

@@TakeasRealm din is still a mandalorian but he got expelled from his super strict orthodox mandalorian group

[@oneonlypaco88]

I think the extreme ways are what saved this specific group of mandalorians. They were banished and saved from the destruction of mandalor thanks to their creed. At least that's what they believe and hold dear. I do hope we see a star wars Renaissance though

[@johnathanwalker8395]

Yoda allowed Luke to leave training to seek out and save his attachments. He knew it was a trap and he would have to confront Vader and be tempted. But that forcing him to stay when Luke's emotions on the subject were so strong would have been a direct rout to the dark side.

[@elithomas2976]

Within 10 seconds we see the truth.. if Lucas film had any balls with JJ, they should have kept the Jedi as it was in the prequels extinct. Luke should have changed the order.

[@-Rickster-]

He did in legends. Even took a wife and had a son but Disney got greedy.

[@da-vidcargill4975]

@@-Rickster- dude luke knows nothing about their downfall in canon, how would he know to change it

[@andrewshandle]

@@-Rickster- I don’t think it’s about greed, I think it’s about throwing all their trust behind the wrong guy to “show run” the movies. JJ the Executive Producer was far more damaging than JJ the Director.

[@elithomas2976]

@@grandadmiralthrawn66 nah, the current shows are our Heir To The Empire Trilogy retelling, sequels are a BAD Dark Empire Trilogy retelling, I hope the Gryskk (canon yuhzong vong) pop up post Ep 9 and kill Rey “I am all the Jedi Skywalker” Palpatine* and then we find a reformed Order later with Grogu..

[@deadspacemasseffect]

@@elithomas2976 Heir to the Empire and Gryskk storyline sprobably getting combined, especially with the way Thrawn is written in the New Books

[@Fantasmister]

This "dealing in absolutes" of the Mandalorian creed, and the Jedi code (now being repeated by Luke Skywalker) is what will clearly lead Mando and Grogu down their own path.

[@TakeasRealm]

exactly

[@minerpvpgaming2160]

No Luke is literally giving grogu a choice of if he wants to be Jedi Jedi are selflesss and cannot have attachments because if u have an attachment u would put it above others and no longer be selfless Jedi have immense power so this would be problematic Grogu can still be a force user but he can’t be a jedi if he has attachments

[@Fantasmister]

@@minerpvpgaming2160 The choice is still an absolute. Either this OR that, without anything inbetween. We know Luke's fate, which is why he is going to repeat the mistakes of his masters. Dave Feloni is going to have a heck of a job on his hands trying to explain why neither Yoda or Ben or Ahsoka warned Luke away from the creed of those "sacred Jedi texts".

[@andygjata]

"Only Sith deal in absolutes" my ass lol

[@minerpvpgaming2160]

@@Fantasmister first an absolute is something where there is no choice By ur logic everything is an absolute The choice grogu is getting is Jedi or not a jedi which isn’t the same as enemy or friend The sacred Jedi texts were from way before yoda since they are actual books and Star Wars has had technology for a very long time

[@BingBangPoe]

This is one of the things I like about Yoda. Yeah, he is revered as a Jedi Master with centuries of experience and wisdom, but he still is "human", flawed, and prone to mistakes. The things he say are not set in stone.

[@brianthomason5022]

Human? Dafuck? We don't even know what race Yoda is he is just Yoda's race in the scripts and books.. but he sure the hell ain't human

[@BingBangPoe]

Hence why the quote marks, mister.

[@anirudhnair6267]

humane*

[@lcpunkrawk]

"The Sequels assassinated Luke's character!" Prequel Yoda: "My beer, you hold."

[@COOLSAUCE21]

I had always expected Luke's Jedi order to be more open, and not deal in absolutes like the prequel Jedi. Like, it's ok to have friends and family and romance... But be mindful of those feelings. Don't get so caught up in it that you lose your common sense. After all, that's how the Jedi were in the OT. While Obi wan and Yoda told Luke what attachment could lead to, they let him risk his life for his friends. In cloud city, and then jabba's palace.

[@AshNorton]

I think Luke's ultimatum to Grogu is Luke's naivete in doing what he's likely reading the the ancient Jedi texts he's recovered (so far). In other words, Luke isn't a wise Jedi master yet. His training was very ad hoc. He isn't like Yoda or Obi-wan, knowing all the Jedi customs and failures they can produce. (Does the New Canon tell us what Luke knows or doesn't know about the Jedi prior to the Empire? I presume Luke knows little.)

[@LordelX]

Now that we’ve seen the final episodes of the Clone Wars, it’s not crazy to think that Yoda mistook Anakin’s anxiety about Padme as anxiety about Ahsoka, who we now know was fighting Maul on Mandalore at that time.

[@Chronache]

In the book for revenge of the sith Yoda says he made the mistake of training everyone the way he was trained 900 years ago, instead of progressing like the sith. Yoda and the councils absolutes were the biggest push for dooku to leave the order, and a main reason qui Gon wouldn't sit on the council. The order preached the lightside and talked about balance in the force, but they were sent in to negotiate like a peaceful scare tactic, and often used as overpowered bodyguards

[@timothydanielgross808]

I read that too.

[@delmarfrazier2727]

Ok but the problem is the Sith was hiding underground for 1000 years so Yoda didn’t see many only training remember the Sith was a surprise, so all teaching was not to convert or make one ☝🏾

[@Chronache]

The problem is that while the sith were in hiding they were getting stronger with the rule of 2, once the student was strong enough they killed their mater, and keeping their numbers down so they wouldn't be detected. The Jedi orders arrogance and being stuck in their ways led to their downfall, and Yoda being in charge for as long as he was is the main reason it happened

[@nickz4132]

A real bummer to see Luke taking the same direction as the old order he did a much better job in legends

[@whafrog]

The other reason Luke needed to "confront" Vader was because of the family connection. He was the only one who could have reached Vader on the emotional level needed to turn him back.

[@Ringking-ws7bz]

Yoda was the only Jedi I think realized Anakin was with Padme its why he recommended they be placed together in Attack Of The Clones. Mace Windu made a lot of the bad choices while Yoda was off-world tending war. If Windu had waited for Yoda to have returned from the Wookiees then formed a plan to go after Palpatine.

[@jedimasters1462]

@@Ringking-ws7bz I personally think that Obi-Wan actually suspected it, but didn't do anything because it got Anakin to act with a bit more caution.

[@NETBU]

its a shame the movies never expanded on this... growing watching the films on cassettes i always felt like the connection between them wasnt profound for vadar to be saved that easily...i mean c'mon luke encouter vadar 3 times at most in throughout that time line....it feels forced...though i agree with your point

[@whafrog]

@@NETBU But the other times they didn't really dialog. Maybe Luke just saying "there is still good in you" was the needed trigger.

[@WebbanationX]

Always appreciated how chill of a sith Dooku was

[@rasmusnovak8600]

Thank you! Finally someone talks about the sequels like its not the bubonic plauge!

[@CogitoErgoSumFortis]

The Jedi's fear of fear itself is what drove them to ruin.

[@garym6315]

This is a brilliant discussion. Exactly the sort Iof discussion me and my brother have everytime we watch any prequel-related content. The prequels have major issues with the effects, the comedy, the acting and the dialogue, but the IDEAS behind it were pure gold. Whether that was intentional or serendipity we will never know.

[@ashwinnaidoo796]

The misguidance and bad decision making of the Jedi council is really shown clearly in ahsoka s arc

[@PhantomsDesire]

You Nailed it!! You stated in a perfect breakdown exactly what I was thinking. People have stuck with the idea of Good being Jedi and Sith power Bad. For balance, you need both. The way of the Gray is how it can be achieved. Our Grogu is going to save the disgraceful follow-up movies Disney put out. This Is The Way.

[@JackRipper8881]

Nope. That's the problem listening to people like this on the internet instead of listening to George Lucas. One knows what their creation is the other talks shit. This Screen Crush turd is full of shit. Go find the blurays and listen to the commentary tracks with Lucas and the people who made the original six movies, then watch all the official documentaries with people who made the original six. Stop listening to this idiot, he is wrong.

[@navyakapoor1248]

@@JackRipper8881 Ryan is just giving his perspective . And he does have a point

[@rickyspanish4951]

@@JackRipper8881 calling him full of shit... ironic. bad day jack, or were you born like this?

[@PhantomsDesire]

@Jack Ripper You, Sir, Clearly need to find balance. This is true in our day to day lives as well. Much to be learned, You have.

[@rauljuarez296]

Damn it this video just makes me dislike the sequel trilogy even more. You did a better job explaining it then those damn things did. Really good video 5 out of 5 would watch again lol.

[@HSTPaul]

This is why I love this channel. It takes a deep look at so many details

[@zainabamadahy9918]

I love where you take us here: integrating the polarities of light and dark. And if this highly evolved idea was incorporated into Star Wars through some of its characters, it would be more a reflection of the higher consciousness arising in today's world. Thanks for this compelling analysis.

[@pearlsandstars829]

Very well said! I have always hoped that Star Wars will eventually be brave enough to go in this direction.

[@starfire2125]

Excellent video essay! This is my main issue with all of the sequels. The books, now Legends, built a new Jedi Order where attachment was allowed and managed. Luke was at his peak, with a wife and son. Yeah, there was a Caedus here and there, but on the whole it worked out really well! That's what I've been wanting to see, that's what no one in the new canon seems willing to do. As you said, it was Luke's attachment that won the day. If he had been a doctrinaire Jedi he would've died or become Palpatine's new servant.

[@ScreenCrush]

What villains were right?

[@MARLEYDIDIT]

Thanos. and *your mom.*

[@phoule76]

Ozymandus

[@TChalla616]

Magneto

[@cedriceric9730]

@@MARLEYDIDIT Thanos was wronger than wrong

[@cobracommander8133]

@@cedriceric9730 Thanos wasn’t wrong, he was just an underachiever

[@xuttuh5260]

When I saw Grogu wear the beskar chainmail, I immediately thought "Yes, he decided to step away from this toxic Jedi shit." And when he helped defeat the tank-droids and calmed the Rancor, I thought "Well that is what I would expect from a Jedi. Helping people and saving family, fighting for what's right." Instead, Luke chills on some backwater planet contemplating about theoretical concepts and cultivating his insecurities. Luke should learn from Grogu (as Ahsoka implied), not the other way around! And: Considering Grogus extremely long lifespan, there is a chance that Grogu might start his own order of warriors, combining the Mandalorian way of family and solidarity with the ways of the force. Maybe Filoni keeps this in the background for a trilogy following the sequels. There is still hope.

[@paul46403]

Though Legends isn't canon anymore this is basically what Luke did in his New Jedi Order. He put his family first and brought others in as he encountered them. But this is what the execs at Disney/Lucasfilm want so there's that.

[@ReHsA]

Obi-Wan is also a victim of this. He lost so much following the Jedi way. His love, his apprentice and his life...

[@minerpvpgaming2160]

He isn’t a victim He could have left the Jedi order but chose not to because he liked the Jedi way Anakin tries to be a jedi without actually being a Jedi which led to him having to choose when the galaxy was at stake.

[@ReHsA]

@@minerpvpgaming2160 "He liked the Jedi way" It wasn't so much as liked but brainwashed to do so, because of Yoda. It was just mentioned in the video

[@minerpvpgaming2160]

@@ReHsA he was raised as a Jedi but he still had a choice to leave and wasn’t brainwashed He literally says in clone wars that he would have left for Satine if she asked him but he didn’t for anything else because he liked the Jedi way He knew that u couldn’t be a jedi and have attachments so he chose to be a jedi and if he wanted an attachment he would have left (according to him) Also he is literally smiling in every clone wars episode because he is happy as a jedi

[@minerpvpgaming2160]

@@ReHsA the video is a opinion and not actually part of Star Wars

[@ReHsA]

@@minerpvpgaming2160 Exactly what you say about Obi-Wan liking the Jedi way...

[@Daraluz]

One of your very very BEST vids because it TIED THE ROOM TOGETHER !!!

[@jleisner1974]

This was very...Patton Oswalt. Well done, Person.

[@joshuakozlowski7315]

It always bugged me how bringing valence to the force was just purely a Jedi victory. The sith are no means better they only draw from the light side of the force. The more back and forth these two forces go the more extreme things will get. I think the most interesting concept will form not into light vs dark, but enlightened vs grounded. There will be the force users that want to follow what the force decrees no matter what, light or dark. But there will still be the ones who aren’t as force sensitive who will see people suffer and question why the force users follow this mystical magical way if it hurts people.

[@minerpvpgaming2160]

The light side is following the will of the force by clearing ur mind of emotions and desires while the dark side is making the force do what u want through strong emotions like anger Humans are naturally selfish and therefore if the control the force the force will fall out of balance but if everyone follows what the force, a neutral part of nature, wants, everything will be in balance

[@MrBazBake]

This is canon. The Sith are a corruption of the Force, the Jedi represent the true Force in balance and measure, and the Jedi betrayed that by joining a war over a trade dispute.

[@MaiaGothmog]

@@MrBazBake The Dark Side is not a corruption of the Force. The Force has a dark half and a light half.

[@minerpvpgaming2160]

@@MaiaGothmog no the force is the force but the light and dark are different ways of using it The light uses no emotions and is when u listen to the force and carry out its will The dark is when u use powerful emotions to bend the force to ur own will The dark side is highly addictive and easy to use since it’s human nature to have emotions The light is more difficult but u have more control over ur self

[@alejandroclaure7881]

best video essay I have ever seen on criticism of the Jedi. might be my favorite star wars video commentary I’ve seen.

[@superdiego1714]

I don't know....I can admit that mistakes were made in the strict adherence to the dogmatic nature of the Jedi but I feel like this takes a lot of the blame off of Anakin and Palpatine, the ACTUAL mass murderers.

[@bonniemartell9750]

Right!!! Yoda will always be great to me!! No one can change my mind. Yoda was right in that Anakin let his fear of her dying to change him.

[@Quincy299]

@@bonniemartell9750 in the novel qui-gon have a similar experience as anakin , he defying the council and he had a girlfriend but at the end his girlfriend was killed and he almost fell to the dark side , that is why in epsd 1 he really stubborn to train anakin he belive he can handle anakin with his emotions and his attachment to his mother. What I’m trying to say is anakin need a special care in first place compared to any other Jedi

[@Capri42PRG]

Agreed. The jedi lasted for 1000 generations...that would be millions of Jedi with little to no problems with the code. The problems were Anakin and Palpatine

[@SchultzDorinda]

The two were a necessary cleansing. "Only through sacrifice of many Jedi will the Order cleanse the sin done to the Nameless." This was always meant to be.

[@thewayofthebeard3680]

I really enjoy your videos looking at the bigger picture of stories & franchises.

[@ScreenCrush]

Where did the Jedi go wrong?

[@R2LEE2]

i think we would have gotten more star wars if lucas didn't take success and failure so personally.

[@TIGER-xk4gk]

By not letting Anakin have attachments

[@openN81234]

I think you have a great point...this problem with balance (good being blinded by their strictness) is why Grogu will have to choose both the Mandalorian Way and the Jedi/force path. He will also be able to train the Mandalorian to balance his emotions in order to wild the Dark saber.

[@Rensune]

It was thanks to Luke embracing Positive emotions, and Healthy relationships, that the Jedi finally defeated the Sith. By REJECTING the Jedi Code (or at least, the bad parts)

[@andrewshandle]

Which is why it makes so little sense that he changed the way he felt so quickly.

[@Rensune]

@@andrewshandle we'll see if it's just a test.

[@andrewshandle]

@@Rensune Ah, so he might just be lying to the child...gotcha. ;)

[@ladyakuno7488]

I love commentaries like this. It just goes to show how in depth Star Wars can be. :)

[@NamelessArchiver]

I just hope everything that happened in episodes 7-9 are discarded. And Mandalorian sets up for a much better story.

[@captaindinez7103]

I stand by you. Sequel Luke is not the Luke we know he's completely different

[@da-vidcargill4975]

@@captaindinez7103 cry more they are not being removed so stop hoping

[@da-vidcargill4975]

never happenning

[@Kazasia-_-]

@@da-vidcargill4975 Keep crying about people crying

[@davidreph5210]

Great Video!! ive argued this same logic to many people who think that Jedi is good and have no room to have flaws.

[@randymicallef3545]

I've always been bothered by the Jedi code and their dogmatic adherence to it. I still hope that at some point we can explore the Grey Jedi or some approximation of it canonically.

[@ev1627]

This is why I love this channel! So much Lore that I never would’ve thought of!

[@kkamiya9038]

It's a bit unfair on Luke. He knows very little about the Jedi Order, and he had to have a foundation to build on, which is the Jedi Code.

[@dimitrisraptopoulos1158]

Adding “the Dude”, “el Duderino” (if you are not into the brevity thing) was top notch!!! Thanks!!!

[@HellfireClub242]

After seeing Boba Fett, seeing real Luke Skywalker, it breaks my heart seeing how it ends for him. Disney truly did harm Luke, making him a pathetic broken jedi. In truth, he was a beacon of hope and brought light to millions. But Disney made the iconic heroes irrelevant, especially Luke, and made theirs relevant (in their eyes). Disney should of based Episodes 7-9 around Luke Skywalker and the New Jedi Order.

[@davidjames468]

Not Disney. Lucasfilm.

[@HellfireClub242]

@@davidjames468 Disney own Lucasfilm.

[@KickapooNinja]

I kno man, who the hell wanted Luke to be scared of his nephew hiding from the Galaxy on a hidden planet and drinking green titty milk??

[@kendrickparks9129]

From my understanding it was supposed to be based on Luke's order until K. athleen K. aren K. ennedy changed everything and failed us all

[@HellfireClub242]

If season 3 of the Mandalorian reference the Disney trilogy, I'm out. And that goes for any other show, book, movie or comic. The Disney trilogy wiped out the legacy characters. And shamefully trying to make the Disney trilogy relevant by saying "Lucasfilm hero's failed but our Disney heros won". Pathetic!

[@mightbearer]

Dude, do you write? You have a brilliant analytical mind, from film analysis to character description. So glad I follow you!

[@sash9249]

They had the perfect opportunity in the Rise of Skywalker to allow Rey Palpatine to be both dark and light and forge a new way for the Jedi... but nope. Jedi are good and Sith are evil. Rian Johnson even set this up in Episode 8 by having Luke challenging the dogmatic Jedi doctrine.

[@bobbybaklava9605]

Gross did you just praise he who shall not be named?

[@HowdyItLovll]

@@bobbybaklava9605 it's a star wars movie, chill out

[@bobbybaklava9605]

@@HowdyItLovll don't tell me what to do pencil neck

[@sash9249]

@@bobbybaklava9605 Grow up.

[@LizzyB0176]

@screencrush , Doing a bang up job, not being "contraversial" for clicks and really explaining the plots.

[@raysullins5179]

I think what you are missing in all of this was that they have established that the Dark Side clouds the Jedis use of the force so they werent able to detect Sidious.

[@andrewshandle]

I mean, the apprentice of the leader of the Sith literally told them what was going on and Yoda refused to even entertain the idea. Clouding their use of the force or not, how about use a little elbow grease and investigate it?

[@gregordrizzlewing7339]

@@andrewshandle yeah word they made no effort what so ever 😂

[@marcelinosumaya5040]

So this makes his leadership even more trash lmao. "Oh there's some dark side clouds, damn. Ok, lets just start making more bad decisions."

[@jameshall8905]

Thank you Ryan. This made Star Wars a lot more deep and meaningful. Amazing video.

[@mykilahsenwilliamsdorsey1495]

Love this insight bro! I hope Disney is listening. Your ideas make the whole thing a lot more interesting! Even though I know this will anger some folks, this is one of the main reasons I loved the Last Jedi so much. The writer/director refused to give in to the accepted mythos of Star Wars and forced the characters to ‘grow up’ and accept that failure is how we grow, not just looking like a bad ass but actually being one by doing what Luke did at the end of that movie.

[@Zefram5]

The best analysis on Star Wars I’ve ever seen. Congratulations

[@VanillaBoy527]

I just really don’t like the sequel movies. I thought that Luke was going to build something new and I don’t understand why his character followed the same way as Yoda. I just really didn’t like the writing of those movies and I honestly hope that they get remade, but it’s probably not gonna happen.

[@JayTillaeon]

I mean....Yoda and Obi were the only ones to teach him of the Force and the Jedi so of course he went by their teachings that early. It wasn't until around the time of the Sequels that he understood that Yoda and the yyyeeeaarrrsss of Jedi teaching was wrong. This Luke in Book of Boba Fett is fairly new to this Jedi stuff so like any person that get put into a new system that sounds good and you would defend, he don't see the flaws just yet because they think it's the best thing ever.

[@auntvesuvi3872]

You are so good at these editorial analyses, Ryan! ✳

[@minerpvpgaming2160]

Anakin could have just quit the Jedi and lived with padme but he tries to have both Luke is making that choice easier than grogu so grogu can choose if he wants to live by the Jedi code or without it.

[@chrissullivan6855]

Yeah Ryan you kill it brotha!! FANTASTIC BREAKDOWNS

[@Washy_YT]

Actually, Luke giving Grogu a choice is good because he is even getting a choice to not be a jedi to begin with

[@ValenteOchoaJr]

I just rewatched the prequels and the original saga. Today is a Mandalorian marathon followed by Book of Boba leading to the finale by midnight. Can’t wait to see your video tomorrow you always have the best breakdowns, then I watch that other guy… The one with the puns… don’t make me say his name. It’s all connected!

[@Svi3806]

Yeah the Jedi are idiots.. Rather follow the Mando story line here on out.

[@tobiwankenobi2000]

I love how often you use tbl scenes for your video

[@robert-zr1kx]

Never been so early!!

[@kaijupredator4063]

Great video! Huge missed opportunity to have Doug appear in a Yoda costume however.

[@DarkVador1138]

Just a thought on Luke's failure... Luke unlocked Grogu's memories of the assault on the Jedi Temple by clones. What will happen when he hears Bobba Fett's voice in next episode ?

[@captaindinez7103]

but in the sequels he tries to kill Kylo because he saw some darkness in him lol

[@robertraine6045]

Good job on the review of the force wish I saw more people with your outlook on the force duality

[@bern9642]

The Jedi is just a flawed system. It makes more sense when you play KOTOR. You can't just have light side and dark side. Makes no sense when most people as gray and in the middle. Also being only light necessitates for a dark side.

[@minerpvpgaming2160]

Nobody can be perfectly light but the Jedi try to be The light side users follow the will of the force while the dark side users bend the the force to their own will using emotions Humans are naturally selfish and are not in balance but the Jedi don’t use their emotions and instead follow the will of the force selflessly to keep the world in balance by stopping dark side users Jedi can’t have attachments because otherwise they will value these over the galaxy they are trying to protect Luke is giving grogu a choice of if he wants to be a selfless jedi without attachments of if he wants to live his life with attachments The light and dark aren’t actual things but just different ways to use the force and the Jedi use the light mainly to counter dark side users

[@bern9642]

@@minerpvpgaming2160 most of the Jedi aren't human. Also humans aren't naturally selfish or humans being naturally selfish isn't the issue for Jedi. It's more about humans & other alien races have attachment which the Jedi see as bad as they can go to any extent for the things they are attached to. However, there is no way you can properly serve the galaxy if you have no attachment to it. That's why Yoda failed. He isn't attached to anyone or anything in the galaxy. Or he won't be quick to dismiss others and how they feel. He has no empathy because he has no attachment. He's a robot. Many people on the dark side think they are doing the right thing like Count Dooku, or Anakin. And Yoda cannot reason with them or prevent them from going to the dark side because they see only good and evil. Light and dark.

[@irmese06]

@@minerpvpgaming2160 Very well put!

[@minerpvpgaming2160]

@@bern9642 what I mean by humans are humanoids We all want something because we want it so we are selfish Jedi don’t think attachments are bad but u can’t have an attachment and put it above the galaxy and others The prequel Jedi became attached to the republic and other things which is why they failed and their hypocrisy led anakin to not trusting them Luke hasn’t done anything like that yet Yoda isn’t a robot but he keeps his emotions in check like all Jedi try to do He still cares about the Jedi like in his visions during the last few episodes of season 6 Yoda doesn’t try to reason with them because he probably tried it before and never got it to work It’s also because the dark side is very addictive and he doesn’t want to risk the galaxy just for them That is one of his flaws but it helped him keep the galaxy safe for almost 900 years

[@minerpvpgaming2160]

@@irmese06 thx

[@RustySheriffsBadge667]

Awesome!!! I love ur diagnosis Ryan!!!

[@noirerequiemii101]

This fault is why i’m glad Ahsoka is a grey, it just feels more like we need to learn more about how Luke’s jedi order functioned/ why decided that you can’t be both a Mando and Jedi

[@yaelthesnail]

She's not grey. She's 100% a light sides, she's just not a Jedi. The only "grey" being in the canon lore is the Bendu.

[@coblamoration1102]

100% with ya. Been saying it for a while, it's also why Luke's behavior in TLJ was the best thing about the sequel trilogy for me. I just wasn't thinking so much about how responsible Yoda was, so thanks for that.

[@thompsrunner]

I don't think Anakin turned because of his attachment to Padme, it was the Jedi lack of empathy and compassion. If they had helped him then Vader would have never emerged

[@bigjohn08865]

The Clone Wars make Anakin's reasons for turning to the dark side more complex and reasonable than just merely being hot for Natalie.

[@yaelthesnail]

It was a lot of things, but his possesivness of Padme and inability to deal with loss was a big part of it. He was also attached to the Jedi order. He could've left like Ahsoka did, but was too afraid. Anakin was an adult who made his own bad choices.

[@techynerdygypsy1731]

This is an excellent segment... I ❤️ Screencrush!!! Thanks Ryan!!!

[@mysticjason9259]

I love the ending theme Nicely spoken, I’ve been trying to say this for a while

[@osolis001]

I love that you made the connection to Lone Wolf and Cub. Read that manga years ago. I had wondered why no one else has made the connection. Anyway I see Grogu making a new order of gray type force users. An order that understands the strength of emotions and not to fear the dark side but use it and control it while taping into the control of the light. I can't wait to see what happens.

[@NETBU]

great content...i also found ahsoka's words to Mando about grogu very hypocritical of her considering her own misfortunes with the jedi order and why she was motivated to leave the order...Maybe you could do a similar content explaination for darth Maul during the insergency of mandalore when he met ahsoka tano

[@rpandya97]

I’d love for Grogu to be the one to truly bring balance to the force since he’s not just a Padawan but also a Mandalorian foundling. Years down the line, he’ll have enough knowledge of the force and the way of the Mandalorians to follow a perfectly balanced ideology.

[@merschiandrei8855]

Damn I watched this with so much interest and the last thing you said about Yoda being a Jedi Mando and maybe this being the way, embracing your feelings.....thanks for doing such great work Ryan!!!!

[@rafikz77]

This is your best video Great stuff tbh

[@CrookedSound]

This was a great video. Nicely done.

[@alexanderthegreat1801]

I truly enjoy your channel. Good stuffs 👍

[@holman725]

Ryan, love your insights in these videos…The time you must put in! Thank you for the distraction! 😉

[@scathekh]

Fascinating. Great video!

[@robertcarrasco4571]

Can we please get a grogu show or movie when he is older and starting to train new jedis in the new way of the force. That would be way better than what we got from Disney

[@thewinderywanderer9071]

Awesome Video ScreenCrush! This is very insightful! My thoughts: In regards to Yoda and as well as the other Jedi ignoring the clues of the conspiracy of the true purpose of the clone troopers; I don't know how much or if any of the Jedi Code actually had an influence in the Jedi's mindset of choosing to be complacent about such clues, they may as well be just incompetent critical thinkers; but in any case, the Jedi's Dogmatic system of how a Jedi should be is still part of the reason why they fell in the prequel era, especially for Anakin. This is not to say that the Jedi's rules and dogmas are inherently flawed, if anything they may suit certain individuals who choose to follow it, but it's not for everyone - and this is one of the biggest problems of the Jedi Order because what the teachings of the Jedi Order believes to be 'the right way' may not always be 'the right way' for everyone else (Cobra Kai S04E10 is a good example of this). To me, one of the biggest messages of Star Wars is that at some point we should not blindly embrace dogmatic beliefs but rather we should deconstruct them and learn to self-actualise. - For if you were to embrace a dogmatic system or dogmatic beliefs due to being conditioned by them for most of your life or for other reasons, at some point you may experience certain impracticalities that will affect your overall self-stability; thus even concluding that the dogmatic right way may not seem compatible with you; and if you do conclude on that then you have to learn to self-actualise in order to find YOUR right way. - I think Qui-Gon Jin, Kanan Jarrus, Revan, and even the Mandalorian are the best examples of this (and possibly Luke Skywalker of Legends as well, but I’m not sure, I haven’t read the legend books of him beyond the Thrawn trilogy). What I think the new Jedi Order needs to be is that it should NOT teach dogmatic beliefs of how there is only one ‘right way’ to serve the force but rather it should teach the Jedi practitioners how to find their OWN right way to serve the force and as well to find their own right way achieve balance in their lives. I’ll now conclude be leaving these quotes: “Denying or attempting to utterly control emotion, Revan felt, was a fool’s game. Jealousy was actually the result of ill-prepared Jedi being overwhelmed by feelings they had never learned to face. Revan believed Jedi could be taught to use positive emotions like love and happiness to strengthen their connection to the Force in the same way that hatred and anger gave power to those who followed the dark side.” - The Old Republic: Revan - Drew Karpyshyn Depa Billaba: Describe what you feel, Caleb Dume. Caleb Dume: I have questions, master. Depa Billaba: Yes. That seems to be the natural state of your mind. But what of your heart? Caleb Dume: My heart is at peace. The truth is… I don’t think I’ve ever been happier. Depa Billaba: An odd statement, considering we are at war. Caleb Dume: Yeah. I know. This war has brought untold suffering to the galaxy, and yet… Depa Billaba: And yet you cannot help feeling glad you’ve finally found your place in it. Caleb Dume: Knew you’d understand. Depa Billaba: I do… But remember, Caleb, the universe is far from static… And as it changes, a Jedi’s role in it must evolve. You are comfortable among your comrades-in-arms… Commander Grey… Captain Styles… Even myself. But this war will not go on forever- nor will your apprenticeship. You must not grow too attached, too fond, too in love with life as it is now. Those emotions are valuable and should not be suppressed… But you must learn to rule them, Padawan, lest they rule you. Caleb Dume: Yes Master. - Kanan: The Last Padawan - Issue 1 “I’m coming to believe that we must all interpret the [Jedi] Code for ourselves,” Qui-Gon said, “or it ceases to be a living pact and becomes nothing but a prison cell.” - Master and Apprentice - Claudia Gray

[@jerryh1568]

Now I want to watch the prequals again... Thanks Ryan

[@abercrombiedrive]

I was so sure that “The Last Jedi” and “The Rise of Skywalker” was going to mean that Rey became a gRey, a Skywalker. Not that she’d take the name, that was as annoying as Han With No Friends Solo. The whole new trilogy should have been about the path to balance. No Snoke, no Palpatine, just Luke, Leia and Han and Rey, Ben and Poe fighting and finding their way to true balance. Maybe Ben survived and the whole diad thing meant that Skywalker’s always came in twos, like the Sith, one more dark side and the other more light side working together in balance.

[@matthewmammothswine4395]

I imagine the points you make here are a big part of why Revan's story is so liked. He was another Jedi who saw the flaws and fell, but was in the end able to redeem himself through transcending the Jedi and Sith codes and becoming balanced.

[@oOSure_ShotOo]

Top notch content as always well done.

[@KingFacts8D]

Bro you just blew my mind and I actually teared up.

[@ironandthread]

“Only a Sith deals in absolutes”, Obi-Wan's reply to Anakin's statement in Revenge of the Sith, refers to the fact that only the Sith deal and act based on absolute values, without thinking and without grey areas.

[@TheQuincyEdwards]

Hell yeah! About time someone other than me said this. And on a much bigger scale. Much appreciated video!

[@Doomted90]

I love how as star wars evolves the jedi order is being revealed as the villains they truly were. Sure they use "the light side" but their dogma was totally one dimensional for it. We all saw it and knew it in the prequels but never delved into it because it was Vader's story, now we get to see it all in the forefront