Why You Can't BUY A FLAGSHIP HUNTING BOW online.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

I should have been more clear in this video based off the comments, I did not say you can order a target bow direct from the manufacture, I said you can buy them online, here is a few sources quoted in this video. mikesarchery.com/bows/compound-bows/target-bows/ lancasterarchery.com/collections/target-compound-bows www.podiumarcher.com/collections/compound-bows-1 This is not a comprehensive list, this is a quick list, feel free to add any other companies that sell the flagship target bows online. I hope this helps. have a blessed week and thanks for watching and sharing your experience with us. Dale

[@Duke93720]

There's 2 shops in my town both knowledgeable but one has the good old boy attitude and if you're not in their inner circle they sell you anything (say yes to everything you point to)but will not really guide you. And those extras that come with your bow you'll never see unless you knew about them. (Sight tapes , product swag, extra set screws, bolts,etc) Unfortunately I didn't know till i got my sons first bow. Getting service was hard unless i told them exactly what the problem was. Now i started going to the other bow shop and wow what a difference. He adjusted my sons bow from the other shop and didnt charge. I bought my bow from the 2nd shop and he didnt open the box. He says he wants owners to experience the joy of the new bow smell. Then he does a basic setup it up as you wait. You shoot in his lanes and he adjusts as necessary. Any issues you go back and he just talks to you about your shooting to figure out the problem. And lets you try some products before you buy it.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Oh my goodness, Thank you so very much for taking the time to share this with us all, I would so love to guy meet that man and visit his shop, (the second shop) I can see him doing great things and being around for a long time with customer service like that. Thank you again for taking the time to watch and share your experience with us. I obviously have a shop more like your first example, where they could use some improvements. Thanks again and may you and your son have a blessed weekend. PS if he is old enough to hunt and yall are still out int he woods, good luck to you both sir. Dale

[@youtubeneedsprosecuted]

That's a real Pro Shop ! Congrats.

[@charlieroberts4283]

Man I have hated not being able to get a flagship bow online, I almost purchased my elite exhalt 35 in target colors because my local shop sucks so bad.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

May I ask how you like it, I wont lie, I have been looking at target bows and I am need to call the shop that is about an hour an half away, because they may well have some target bows, I want my target bow in a hunting color even if its a solid color. Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and share your experience with us. I would love to hear back on how well you love the Exalt though, It is one of the ones I am looking at. Thanks again my friend and have a blessed weekend. Dale

[@charlieroberts4283]

@@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors I like it, my initial paper tune went pretty fast, without a rest adjustment, however when I switched from the bare shafts to fletched arrows I noticed the fletches were hitting the cables with the "LTR" cable guide in its center position, shifting it away from the arrow of course ment back to the paper tune, this time it was a bit more time consuming playing with the limb adjustments and eventually made a very small arrow rest adjustment to get a bullet hole without the limbs in the most extreeme adjustment position. It was worth the effort as now I can stack a bare shaft with a fletched arrow at 20 yards, like touching eachother. I am shooting the 75lb model, 30" draw, with smooth modules. It is shooting very flat with my mid 400 grain arrows and wildly consistent even at 70 yards. Dialed Pruf picatinny sight, 15" front bar and 12" rear bar.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

@@charlieroberts4283 Sounds like you learned aa lot and have it dialed in better than a lot of folks could have and or would have. I love the sight you are running, I hope to own one one day, I am so old and have never run a rear bar I can see adding one of those soon as well. I have been shooting trad for the last 7 years and back in my younger years a 35-40 yard shot was a long shot, seeing what folks are doing on these TAC deals has me intrigued. I'm working on a place I can build a Back drop at soon, My buddy and I will be able to shoot a hair over 100 yards there. Im excited about the, PS dont tell anyone, I will be dong a video on it as well. Hopefully in the next month or two but by spring at the very latest. Thank again for sharing all this with us and I hope you have a blessed weekend. dale

[@Dan_Akins]

My guess is; it’s a mfg dealer agreement that has to do with the dealer buying a certain amount of bows each year to qualify them as being a “dealer”. Most likely the more money they spent they probably get deeper discounts or promotions to stock certain products and accessories . The manufacturer has basically insured their sales (potentially) each year before a production release. Plus the fact that they have to only communicate with dealers and not thousands of individuals. And then there is the whole dealer territory thing.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Oh I agree, and to add to your point, I am referencing buying online from retailers, not direct from the manufactures, just like the Target bows. I agree, the Archery shops need the sales, but imaging if you had a great archery shop in your town and he could share his awesomeness by supplying other archers services through online sales, Thank you so very much for taking the time to watch and share your thoughts with us, I truly appreaciate it. I hope you have a blessed and happy new year friend. Dale

[@davidfrazier9732]

I wish you could buy online but honestly I get it. If you could buy online, more than just a few shops would go out of business.

[@teddysmooth267]

i had to go to bow tune school because all the pro shops in my whole state are awful, i go buy a flagship bow they ask you want us to set it up and i have to tell them no i want it done right so ill do it myself and they get so rude after that

[@jonathanharpe4333]

That’s interesting. It sucks to hear that. My local shops are pretty cool either way. They ask me if I’m going to set it up or if I want them to do it anyways. I hate that lots of people don’t have good shops to buy or get advice from

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

If you dont mind me asking, was it an online one and which one if you dont mind sharing, I have been looking at two myself and figure how bad could it hurt o get a certification. Thanks you for taking the time to watch and share your experience with us. I truly appreciate it and I hope you have a blessed weekend. Dale

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

I so agree, there is some good ones around and I sure wish we had one close by as well. Thank you for sharing your experience, I would love to have a shop like that near us. Thank you and have a blessed weekend. Dale

[@cjswhitebo1882]

My bow shop guys are pretty knowledgeable, but idk if they’re lazy or just doing some weird shit, my center shot is ALWAYS off. I usually let them set up a new bow, take it home and tune myself though. I do however do the rest of the work if I ever swap stuff out

[@jonathanharpe4333]

@@cjswhitebo1882 Yeah I have noticed a few things about my bow that I prefer to do myself as well

[@jonathanharpe4333]

Yes the biggest issue I have is that if your shop didn’t pre-order what you are looking for which is often the case. It has to be ordered anyway. Every city doesn’t have a Podium Archery or Lancasters which I love both of those places. I am pretty lucky though I have 2 really good shops within 15 mins of my job

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Agreed, and for me its a really long drive away, I would love to have a couple with in 15 minutes of work from me, well I say that, it could be dangerous for me hahahah. Thank you so much for sharing this with us and I hope you have a blessed week. Dale

[@jonathanharpe4333]

@ let me tell ya it is extremely dangerous especially since mine will hold stuff for me Lol. A even more practical option do it similar to guns order it and have it shipped to your Local Shop

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

@@jonathanharpe4333 I had thought about the shipping it to the local shop and or ship it to my house, but comes from the local shop, they way they get thier sales? I dont know, there is so much technology to make it fair for the folks who do own shops I get the needing the sales, I even thought about this while I was on my way to town in the rain a little bit ago, a person who could sell them online, like a shop, may actually be able to stay in business, I know we are in a small town and it could potentially work to have a shop in a small town if you could offset some cost by being able to ship. Maybe.? I dont know, I dont have the answers, just some questions and appreciate the feed back my friend. Dale

[@patrickjoy9551]

What I hate is the closest bow shop to me ( 35 miles) only carries one brand. So if I want a different brand I have to drive 70 or 80 miles to two other shops. I think manufacturers could still protect dealers by allowing online sales through the dealers. If you purchase online you could forfeit the free set up or pay a small upcharge for online sales. I mean there has to be a middle ground somewhere here. I think it would help the smaller shops stay in business because it would give them a cyber store and allow for lower overhead from having a much larger customer base which in theory translates to more sales.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

I so agree with everyone of your points. I didnt want to come right out ands say them all in this video, but you hit all the points I believe would make it a win win for everyone. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment and I Hope you have a blessed week my friend. dale

[@gw9189]

I want to buy a new bow, but I know the shop close to me can’t set them up correctly. I would drive a long ways away if I was guaranteed that it would be set up correctly. But how would I ever know that? Drives me nuts.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and share your thoughts with us on this topic. Thank you and I Hope you have a blessed weekend. Dale

[@brandondrane9710]

You are spot on and I agree with you 100% I also think about all the flag ship bow sales they miss out on because you can't order on line so for example bass pro gets the business rather than say Hoyt or Mathews and it's not like you couldn't pay a extra set up charge and when your bow comes to your door it's 90%set up

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Brother we think a lot alike, I was actually thinking about this after I had already completed this video and had uploaded it in schedule> I am not a pro shop owner, but if I was guessing, they would be more than happy to charge you "X" amount for a set up fee etc, and not tie up their own money in inventory hoping for a sale. Just another side note on this whole idea - concept. Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and comment and share you thoughts on it as well. Maybe even have a way for online sales, the sale comes from the closest retailer? Who knows, I do agree, a fair amount of sales goes else where when it is set up in concrete like it is now. Thanks again my friend and I Hope you have a blessed weekend. Dale

[@brandondrane9710]

@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors thank you so much and a BLESSED weekend to you too

[@chrisbuckley8148]

Yes. Support your pro shop. My local shop is my hang out. They all know my dogs.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

I totally agree, I wish I had one near here, they would probably ask me to leave hahaha, It would be me and Buster's hang out as well. Thanks for sharing and have a blessed weekend my friend. dale

[@jeffmoodie6144]

I suppose this is what the “dealer exclusive” label means when looking at bows online… specifically Bear. All I see in shops online are the RTH packages. I don’t want a package that I have to swap out most of the accessories in order to get what I want/need. I also don’t want to have to drive a minimum 3 hrs one way to see what the store happens to have in stock. I would prefer a bare bow, not a package, that I build up myself. That is the only way to get to know the equipment and build my knowledge to be able to deal with issues myself. Besides, I hear stories about bad builds from the shop. If anyone is going to screw up a build, it will be me, not some half wit minimum wage joker putting in time at a shop.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Thank you so much for taken the time to share your thoughts on this subject. I agree, there is many ways some of this stuff could brought up to the current purchasing standards and I too agree, I dont want the young duck hunter who does not even own a bow trying o figure out how to press my bow. hahah. Thanks again and have a blessed weekend. Dale

[@cjswhitebo1882]

Its manufacturer greed 110%. Funny story, I’m pretty close with my local pro shop. Went in to get an alpha x 30. They had sold em all by the time I got in there. Told me I should try the rx8. Told the fella it was out of my price range. Buddy said he’d sell it to me at wholesale (what he gets em for from Hoyt direct). Thing was literally $500 less than what the customers pay per Hoyt’s “msrp”

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

There again goes right along with my theory. that the retailers "mark up" is probably not that much. Yes sir, I agree, it sounds to me like your store would be a great one to sell them online to others who dont have a dealer near them. I just think overall the manufactures would sell more. I am not talking about direct form the manufacture either, just the retailers who are already established stores being able to branch out for additional sales in order to help others who do not live near them. Thank you for sharing your experience with us and it sounds like you have a new bow, so congrats on the new bow as well my friend. Thanks again for sharing your story and I Hope you have a blessed week. Dale

[@bentpolski]

I went back toTraditional Archery between 25 and 30 years ago. My 2 bows are Black Widows. A PCH 3 piece Takedown and a Pl 2 piece Takedown Longbow. Throw The string on check the brace height. Adjust the string by twisting. Add a nock and The string silencers. Go practice and go hunting. Compounds always were too mechanical for me.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

You have some of the nicest bows made in this country in my opinion. I too am a trad bow person and I love them as well. I dont own a BW, but I have numerous friends who do and love them so much, I switched back to my old 19 year old mathews this past season just for the heck of it, and over the last 7 years of hunting trad, so much has changed. I know the guys are complaining on the new bow prices, but you owning a BW, know that even the trad bows can carry a price tag. My favorite is a long bow custom made by a Gentleman Name Al Kimmery. the makes a wonderful long bow and I love love love that bow, its proven and a gem to shoot. Thank you so much taking the time to watch and comment,. Have a blessed weekend my friend. Dale

[@kevindonahue7355]

I went to cabelas bought a bow they siad it was already papertuned sighted in at 15 yards got it home arrow rest was loose the sight wasn't tight the timing was way off I was very upset I drove a 100 miles to get a bow

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

I am sorry to hear this my friend, Paper tune is kinda personal, it may very from grip etc, so it would be difficult to say, its paper tuned for you. Might be paper tuned for someone, but like you mentioned with loose parts and timing cam out of whack, probably was a mistake to say that. I appreciate you taking the time to watch and share your experience with us. I hope you can get it fixed . Have a blessed weekend. dale

[@stacyhardin611]

First mistake…buying a bow at Cabela’s. Their staff is not very knowledgeable about bows or setup.

[@cw1824]

Sorry to hear that. I've been shooting 20 years and been a archery tech at Cabelas for 3 years now. we spend no less than 1 hour getting customers dialed in before they leave with the bow.

[@cw1824]

@@stacyhardin611 Not all cabelas.

[@stacyhardin611]

Cabela’s and Bass Pro in FW and Grapevine, TX doesn’t keep anything in stock but cheap archery products and the techs have never been much help or offered to me. Legacy Archery (Fort Worth) and Scheels (The Colony) are amazing and go out of their way to help.

[@johngross6525]

Tell me which bow company sell target online, I know Darton can be bought online I know Hoyt cannot????

[@jeffgenchi5863]

Matthews Target bows can

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

I should have been more specific, I didnt say you can order direct form the manufacture I said you can order them online. Here is the link to the ones in stock at Lancaster archery as well as I will post the ones that are for online sales at podium archer, give me a second. lancasterarchery.com/collections/target-compound-bows www.podiumarcher.com/collections/compound-bows-1 so here is two places you can order flag ship target bows online, same ones I mentioned in the video. Thanks for sharing your experience with us all and I Hope you have a blessed week. Dale

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

agreed, almost all of them in stock can be purchased online, unlike any of the hunting colors are not. I tried to point that out at the end of the video that Botech and Elite both make a target bow and you can order the target colors not the hunting colors online. Interesting to me non the less. Thank you for taking the time to share this information and I Hope you have a blessed week. dale

[@Shutuoandahoot]

I gone to a pro shop and I’m looking to change shops already they are great at selling you stuff but that’s it

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment and share your experience with us. I truly appreciate it. I hope you have a blessed week. Dale

[@blackpredatorbowhunter4379]

Great video sir, the next question should be why are flagship bows so expensive. We get charged more for our skill levels is what i get out of it.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Man, I sure appreciate the kind words, I do not have an answer on that. Everything is so out of whack on prices anymore, it seams like everything from your truck to anything else anymore is so expensive. Thank you so much for taking the time watch and comment, it is truly appreciated and I feel your pain on the cost, it is expensive for certain. Thank you agian and Hope you have a blessed weekend. Dale

[@blackpredatorbowhunter4379]

You have a new sub also here in Texas. Thanks for the reply.​@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors

[@GrowinwithAJ]

ive been shooting bows for over 3 decades and most of those bows where mathews unless for bowfishing then it was onienda or cheap barrnett or cajun (bear),pse. i do agree with yah but you would be surprized how many people buy a flagship bow and never shot a bow before. facebook mathews page proves that . i cant believe some of the question people ask. like i said i got over 30 years archery and i still dont own a lift i just upgraded from the creed xs to an vxr 28 and wow i cant believe the difference from solo cam to double cam. great video

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Thank you so very much for taking the time to watch and share this with you. Now that you mention it, I think you are right. I too have seen some of the comments and question on the forums, FB pages etc. Dang Be, I think that may have blown my theory all to heck. hahah, I never claim to be right for certain, I am told regularly that I am wrong, if you dont believe me ask my wife. hahhaa. Speaking of Bow Fishing, it wont be long and that will be in swing. I am looking forward to that as well. Thank you so much for watching and Sharing your thoughts with us and I Hope you have a blessed weekend my friend. Dale

[@GrowinwithAJ]

@@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors appreciate the comment. i think your on to something and agree with yah and to be honest i dont think right or wrong applies in this situation.

[@johngibson6098]

Completely agree ! Got a new sub for this video!

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Oh thank you so very much for the kindness friend. Welcome to out little KZbin family. Have a blessed weekend, Dale

[@johngibson6098]

@ been loving the videos! Keep them coming a lot of good info. Have a great new year!

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

@@johngibson6098 You too friend, Happy new year.

[@CraigYarnold-x6y]

Yer mate I do I got a Hoyt no manual with it and don't come with different mods just a free cap an stickers ime in Australia an would b great to order a hunting bow on line to my specs set up ready to go

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

hahah, That is awesome, I am sure Matehws has a owners manual or something in print as well, the bow sight comes with a little set up manual, so I am sure they just kept it, like they tried to do with my hat, and I would love to have a sticker to put on the side of the jeep hahha, I wish I had got a sticker. Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and share your experience with us and I hope you have a blessed weekend. Dale

[@jimrussell1246]

I think one thing you did not touch on is warranty. I do know that to become a dealer you have to attend a training course at the manufacturer facility. If you have new or newer archers servicing their own equipment then it would be harder to control warranty claims, that is why if you press a flagship bow yourself it voids the warranty. I don't agree with it because I can setup and tune my bows faster and more accurately than my local shop.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Yeah, I agree with you there. I could see that being an issue. I was not able to register my bow anyhow, so the warranty probably sent going to be there anyhow. I do agree with you though, if you had an issue, with the current policies, you would have to go to the dealer you purchased it from, but I am willing to bet, if everyone put their minds to it, that is such a small issue it could be resolved as well, I am sure they take care of the issues with any of the target bows, if they didnt, they wouldn't be selling , to at least I would think that, Lords knows I am wrong regularly, if you dont believe me ask my wife hahaha, I do agree, some older policies including the warranty,. Thank you so much for taking the time to share this with us all and I Hope you have a blessed weekend. Dale

[@jasondukette4155]

I live In vermont and the only good shop for me is C&S hunting in middlebury vermont and it's about 45 min to a hour away the only other shop worth going to is pelky archery in st albans vermont and they are close to 2 and a half hours away I wish we could buy flagship hunting bows off line

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

I totally understand, when I lived in Oklahoma, the best bow shop was and still is Davenports in Prague, it is sought 2.5 hours away from the OKC area, so I get the really long drive. I will say I was blessed to have a shop IN OKC as a kid growing up, They were pretty good, There was a an older lady there named NORMA, she was an amazing lady she ran the office and phones and she would answer every question I ever had as a kid growing up, Loved her, and Miss her and I think about her regularly. That Shop was called OKC Archery and they closed down by the time I was in my 20's or so. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment and share your experience with us and I Hope you have a blessed weekend. Dale

[@garyhosier4765]

My pro shop doesn’t up sale. He will probably down sale. He’s honest. He’ll give you what you want but if he doesn’t feel it’s worth it or you don’t need it he’ll tell you. I think the intention is to support pro shops but you are probably right.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Oh that is awesome, thank you so very much for sharing your experience with us about your pro shop. Yes I do absolutely believe we need pro shops, I honestly wish I had one close, I would go hang out there if we had one and it sounds like your shop, I would truly enjoy hanging out at. Thank you again for sharing and I Hope you have a blessed weekend my friend. Dale

[@djbsmb6012]

Guess I got lucky about 6 years ago I was searching the internet and a place had a brand new 2015 Hoyt Carbon Spyder 34 ZT it was originally a $1400 bow and they had it on clearance for $700 you better bet I jumped on that deal , still shooting it and love it!

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Thank you for sharing that with us as well my freind, that is another thing, the last year target bows are normally discounted as well as the last year hunting bows and I can see some shops being granted permission to sell last years bows online or something as well. Just a curiosity and thank you for sharing your experience with us. That's a great deal on. your bow and congrats my friend, I dont blame you I would still be shooting it as well. Thank you and have a blessed weekend. Dale

[@Ducatistto]

I completly agree, I hate this policy about hunting bows. I visit US from Europe from time to time on shrot trips. Often there are none proshops nearby. In addition I am a Leftie and most of the shops have a very limited availability of LH bows and LH accessories so I still need to order accessories online and are limited to choose from 1-2 models that store has avalable. For me the order online for LH bows would be great, but I think it should be fully available there is no real reason for blocking that both flagship and all other hunting bows.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Thank you so much for taking the time to not only watch but share your experience as a left handed shooter, You brought up some valid points, that me being right handed hadn't even considered. thank you again for sharing this with us all and I Hope you have a blessed weekend. Dale

[@BriarJumper]

My first bow was a bear rth I bought online. My second bow I researched and went to my local bow shop and ordered it. Got home and it was the wrong paint camo. I think they never actually ordered what I wpaid for cause it tooke another 4 weeks to get it in. I learned that the good old boys at my lbs have very little expertise. I set up the new bow completely on my own from watching YT videos. It was easy and I learned a lot and bought a lot of other equipment online. Now Ive got 3 recurves. The last one I bought from Sanlinda. It was shipped from China in 2weeks arrived. The best customer service I have had from any company. I wanted a 62" bow that was not online. They had some and set me up with a special link to order from in 1 day. Its an awesome bow. If I ever buy a new compound, it will be a Sanlinda dragon, I hear it is as good as any flagship bow and 1/3 the price... The flagsship bows all come from China also. Sanlida has very popular and top shelf target bows also. Got 2 dozen arrows from them for $75....

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Oh wow, you are the second person to mention the Sanlida, I have never heard of it until yesterday when someone else said they wish they had one. I have also been Able to order several long bows and recurves online with out issues in the past and it is actually part of what spurred this video idea and research I did to come up with the why we can on the target bows. Thank you for taking the time to share your experience with us. Thank you for taken the time to watch and comment and I hope you have a blessed weekend. Dale

[@kevindonahue7355]

I wish I could afford a bow it's been 6 years ago I had that one from cabelas I don't have a bow I'm thinking on trying to get sanlida dragon x8

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

I completely understand, everything is so expensive anymore. I keep working odds and ends here and there saving up for the stuff. Thank you for sharing your story with us and I hope you get that Sanilda Dragon, I am not sure what it is, but it sounds nice. Thanks again friend and have a blessed weekend. Dale

[@joeldale7943]

Just walk through a hunter filled parking area with your trad bow and watch the looks

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

hahah, I love the trad bows as well. Thank you for stopping by and sharing this with us all I hope you have a blessed weekend friend. Dale

[@dougkiefer7073]

I think we should be able to order exactly what we want online & not have to settle for what the shop has

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Very well said sir, Thank you for taking the time to watch the video as well as share your thoughts with us on this topic. I think as technology advances, some of the older polices should advance as well. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment and I Hope you have a blessed weekend my friend. Dale

[@NewBeginningNewCreation]

Well I’m not the type to jump into something without research. I don’t know what flagship means but I did plan on spending around 1k for a bow. But that will bd at a pro shop near me with having them set me up, with the peep sight last, like your other video suggested 😉 that being said, I don’t want to walk in like a complete ignoramus. I’d rather know the terms and what they’re for or do. I’m no expert nor will be by any means. There is still a plethora of things I don’t know, the ins and outs like arrow weight and length matching which bow and things like that. But many good points and questions raised in this video. Great video Dale

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Thank you so much for the feedback my friend. I mostly am just asking to see what others think about this topic as well,, it almost seams outdated to me, but I may be wrong. I do believe there is a need for the pro shops, I just think there should be a happy medium between the folks who live outside of any of the true pro shops area to be able to purchase online and or even purchase from the pro shop, that would take them over an hour to get to. if that makes sense, not trying to slide by the pro shops, they are needed in my opinion,. I so agree, with you, I have only been bow hunting for roughly 40 years and am still learning. so there is the need, I just dont think they "vet:" the "pro" shops like maybe they did in years past. who knows, kinda fun topic. I hope you have a blessed weekend and thanks for sharing your experience with us as well. We all need a good pro shop. dale

[@NewBeginningNewCreation]

@ I absolutely agree with you and understand your circumstance. Someone in your situation and knowledge should 100% be able to get everything you need online. I’m just saying in my shoes I need more attention getting set up. But yes I am with you. God bless!

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

@@NewBeginningNewCreation Agreed, I honestly wish I had a pro shop near here, I used to go by the one back home and hang out from time to time and always enjoyed it. Great place to net work and meet new people etc. I hope they are always around and continue to grow. Thank you for all your support my friend and I Hope you have a blessed weekend. Dale

[@Njjb122]

I thought the reason you can buy a target and not a hunting bow online was because most people who buy target bows either own bow presses and work on there own equipment or atleast know the process in setting a bow up. I don't think that should be the reason not to sell hunting bows. They should just add a disclaimer explaining the set up and tuning process can be difficult and recommend using a shop if your unfamiliar with the process.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

That is definitely the reason that most people think as well. Sipy put, they want to sell the bows they make and not enough shop even carry them because the hunting market Is where most retailers concentrate their efforts. Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and comment and I hope you have a blessed weekend my friend. Dale

[@josh1wfo1]

Most pro shops suck charge way more than you can get things online don’t have the time or knowledge to help a guy, yes support small businesses but damn if I just have to go online or watch you tube to learn everything myself why? If you could buy every bow online the good shops would stick around and the bad ones would go away or step it up, I think in the next 3-5 years we will be able to buy online

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Josh, I wasn't not going to say it, IN fact, I did say it in the original cut, but it is nice to see someone else has a theory like me. I so agree, the mediocre at best shops who treat you like they do because they know you are stuck to them, would probably change the mindset. I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment and share your thoughts and experience with us as well. Thank you so much and I hope you have a blessed weekend. dale

[@MOFreakinCreekin]

The only thing archery shops really have going for them is equipment to work on a bow and practice using it. If the bow manufacturers sold flagship bows online, every shop that isn't tied into a big box store would go out of business. That's why you can't buy one online.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment, I believe you are correct on a lot of the TRUE archery shops, but if you look around at some of these HUGE box stores that are already selling flag ship bows the were technically not doing so in years past, and the I say huge store, I think you may know the one in particular I am referring to, that is a start of a different kind of shift we have not seen historically in the past as well. Thanks again for taking the time to watch and share this with us and I also ponder if the smaller archery shops who do have great customer service, would excel in excellent online service as well. So they could potentially expand their reach as well.? I dont know, it is just a curiosity to me and I truly appreciate the feedback you have given us. thank you so much and I hope you have a blessed week. Dale

[@MOFreakinCreekin]

@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors it's a numbers game. Lots of people have heard of the bigger stores and would shop online through them vs searching out the local shops they may or may not have heard of. Plus if you're 1-1.5 hr drive from the closest small archery shop, would you look online at their website or hop onto the bigger stores website and look at a wide selection? Everyone selling online, would put the small shops out of business. Walk in the door business is a lifeline.

[@TomWWood]

I do not agree with this. There are many reasons why hunting bows are only sold in stores. (This does not apply to all just most) 1. Warranty 2. It keeps proshops in business. 3. They are better equipped for the average hunter. 4. Everytime I've bought from a proshop, they give me the package that comes with it, including extra screws. 5. You can buy target bows online because there are way more options and colors to choose from that hunting bows and there are fewer target shooters than hunters 6. Stores buy the bows pre from the manufactures and take the risk of sales. 7. I think your local proshop is a bad example to use towards all proshops.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Than you for taking the time to watch and comment. I truly appreciate the thought you put into this. I am sorry I was not more clear in my delivery. I love the idea of pro shops, that is a side note, that I guess I should have potentially spent more time on , Most all of my videos I suggest people go to the pro shops for help, (if they have one, we dont all have one is the main point of this video) I really tried to say that in the first minute or two, if you have a pro shop, this video is probably not for you. However, you do bring up some interesting points and I agree on some of them as well. I do want to thank you so very much for taking the time to list them all out. Food for thought, what if you lived in a small town and wanted to open a legit pro shop, but the reason you can't make it happen is that the odds of success for a specialized business like that limited your options, and if you as the pro shop owner could help make ends meet by selling some items online? Just food for thought.? When I was a kid, we had a little small mom and pop archery shop in town, they did what they could to keep the place open for a lot of years, I used to hang out there as much as I could. I loved that shop. A big sporting good store opened up in town and they had to close the small ma and pop shop down. About a year later the same big store no longer carried any archery stuff. I always wonder about them, they were like family. Now granted this was way before internet as we know it today, but I wonder if they could have waited out the storm with some other options for sale. Second since you mentioned it, what if your local pro shop your talking about was able to sale online to folks who don't have a pro shop, and or what If your neighbor bought a bow online and he took it to your pro shop and that guy was able to make a 100 bucks to tune his bow and or set it up? I do agree with a lot of your points, but when I went to register my bow online, it told me my serial number was not sold, so I don't think the warranty card is the main breaking deal. I also don't think the color of the paint makes any difference to me as to why you can or cannot buy it online I guess is my main question. Thanks again friend and I hope you have a blessed week. Just for an FYI, this video was started out about 30 minutes longer and part of what got culled out was my story about the best pro shop I have even been blessed to be a customer in, however, it just got too long, I figure I will make a follow up video to this one for those points. I hope you have a blessed weekend and again, thank you so much for stopping by and sharing your viewpoints with all of us, it is truly appreciated. Dale

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

PS, I think the pro shop you are using, would be an idea candidate for those of us who dont have a pro shop to purchase the bows from online, I bet he would be happy to ship them. Just a guess, I may be wrong, but folks the store you describing to me would be the ones who would probably sell even more if they could sell them online. I may be wrong, My wife tells me I am wrong all the time hahaha. Just food for thought though. Dale

[@justinboyer4745]

Honestly I purchase flagship bows online through ebay once all the new crap comes out. Ever notice they dump their stock quick once all the new crap comes out. Here is a taste if what the ships have to endure. High Mr Archery shop. You would like to sell our product. Yes sir. Okay buy 15 to 20k of our bows, we decide which ones, and sell them. Whe. You can't sell them the shop eats that cost. When you are a big shop you get treated like gold, when you are at the bottom you are expected to perform like the big shops. It's about how many units your shop can sell and how happy you can make the manufacturer, not the customer. If you are wondering why I know this crap it's because I have endured the experience through experience. If I was a hunting shop and I knew the customers were big on specific models why the hell doni need to purchase what I can't sell..... ELITE, HOYT, and a few others. How about letting the shop decide what he wants to order and sell instead of some special package that the shop owner has to take a loss on. If you want a bow wait till they need to dump their excess stock to get their atta boy awards and then order the stuff they sell online to help get their special extra credit award at a reduced price.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

I think you just unlocked some secret information there, I'm thankful you took the time to share this with us. I believe what you are saying and I too have already been looking at some of the places online like you mentioned for these new, (last years) old bow to be dumped at significantly reduced prices. Thank you again and I Hope you have a blessed week my friend. Dale

[@everythingoutdoors-vl9bl]

I bought bowtech revolt xl offline

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

That sounds like a great deal. Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and share your experience with us. Thank you and I hope you have a blessed weekend. Dale

[@Cruzing808]

E bay has them

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Thank you for taking the time to share this with us my freind. it is truly appreciated. I hope you have a blessed weekend. Dale

[@billbright3225]

Show me where you can purchase ANY target bow of any of the major manufacturers online. The picture of the Mathews website is their bow builder and gives the prices of the bows, just another person talking about something they don’t know.

[@michaelschnitzer4054]

Darton but that may have stopped this year. I think you should support your local stores if you can. Me… im broke with 4 archers so I look for used or great deals.

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

I show several target bows in this video and the option to add to cart to complete the order from Lancaster's archery a huge online presence, you can also go to podium archer and order online as well as many others, I dont know where you love, so I wont be able to tell you where you can order one, you would simply have to do a google search and find one online, you may also notice I did not say direct from the manufacture, ie, I did not say you can order using the mathews bow builder and the bow builder is not even set up for the target bows which is what this video is about, I will provide you a link to lancasters. this is the one I was showing in the video. here is the link. Thank you for taking the time to comment and share your thoughts with us, I truly appreciate it and I Hope you have a blessed weekend. Dale Feel free to click on any of the ones they have in stock for sale as well as able to pre order online the ones that are new for this year especially since you mentioned Matehws, last I looked they have a few last years Mathews titles and the new ones you can order online, notice they are pre orders since they are not fully stocked yet. Hope this helps clarify you concerns of the legitimacy of my research on this topic. if not, that is ok as well, we all have the right to an opinion and thanks for sharing yours as well friend. lancasterarchery.com/collections/target-compound-bows

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

I agree, I have heard you can buy Dartons and maybe one other brand online hunting bows, But for the most part, they hunting bows are not, and that is part of why I made the example on the Elite and Bow tech , they sell target bows and you can order the target colors online, but the camo colors are not available for online sales. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment and share your experience with us. I hope yall all have a blessed week. dale

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

@@michaelschnitzer4054 I also agree we need to support the local archery shops, I am a big proponent of that. We need them , however for the ones who dont have a pro shop with in a reasonable distance from them and they feel comfortable setting up thier own bow, I believe the old rules of not being able to get the bow they want nine should be re-looked at as a possible solution, we are not all blessed with a good pro shop near us. This video started out being over 45 minutes long with me mentioning several bow shops in Oklahoma where I grew up that are awesome pro shops, some not in business any more and some are. I have to cull down the video to get it to comply with the KZbin Norms if that makes sense. I will do another video soon that we can all share our favorite pro shop in the comments. Thanks again for taken the time to watch and comment. I hope you have a blessed weekend friend. Dale

[@Smokedgouda011]

You’ve never been on Lancaster archery bro? Lol

[@BrettChaffin]

Wait one year and you can get that flagship bow for less online

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

Agreed, there sure is a bunch on eBay right now as well. Thanks again for taking the time to watch and comment and I hope you have a blessed weekend. dale

[@flipfinish]

Here's what's funny, bows and arrows are so dang expensive now it is laughable and none of the archers are more accurate than they used to be. I shot 1" groups at 20 yards in 1993 and I can still do it today. So what's changed to make it so much more expensive? I say in addition to MAGA we need MAAA (Make Archery Affordable Again)

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

We think a lot alike , I am actually working on another video that I will tie this comment into it as well since it is not complete. Go back to that same time frame and ask yourself what the majority of the bow manufacture where chasing back then and what are they still chasing today, and like you already mentioned, the only thing that has truly changed is the cost of it, I will let you guess what that video will be about, and yes, it till will start with some off the wall law that is outdated as well. Thank you so much for sharing this with us, I hope you dont mind me sharing it in the upcoming video. Happy New Year, have a blessed week and I will talk to you again sometime. Dale.

[@Lexidezi225]

It’s all about the money dude. Pro shops have deals with the manufacturers. It’s all about money. We also need pro shops or at least I know I do. Buy it from the store and quit bitching. I can’t believe old people are complaining that they can’t buy online! You think it’d be the other way around 🤣

[@HeartlandMakesAndOutdoors]

hahah, than you so much for taking the time to watch and share your thoughts with us. I truly appreciate it and I hope you have a blessed week. Thanks again friend. Dale