Why You DON'T CARE About the MULTIVERSE

[@DanteMishima]

A lost art form called 'writing' 🤣🤣🤣

[@Fantagonistic]

Sad, but true...

[@summertyme5748]

@@FantagonisticWhen the writing is good…. Spider verse and Everything Everywhere all at once - you get AND THE OSCAR GOES TO…..

[@martinezbiz]

the problem is that barely any of the movies in the multiverse saga have anything to do with multiverse except doc strange 2, Spiderman 3, and Deadpool and wolverine

[@Zombiesnyder13]

I watched DOCTOR STRANGE because of Sam Raimi And watched THE FLASH because of Andy Muschietti I just love when horror directors make superhero movies

[@KonnRrr]

Fr I watched the flash because I like his powers

[@eamonclark4952]

I watched The Flash because of Sasha Calle’s Supergirl. She was heavily featured in the marketing and trailers but in the film she was underused and barley in the film and dies multiple times

[@Mailpaper06]

The biggest thing is the writing. DC has had horrible writing for awhile now but for some reason the MCU fell hard. But even without that look at the Multiverse saga vs the Infinity saga. The Infinity saga introduced Thanos and then introduced us to different infinity stones, now the Multiverse saga ends in a few years with Secret Wars, yet we've only had 3 movies that connect to the multiverse, and our villain hasn't even been introduced. And while I'm excited for them, 2025 so far only has Captain America and Thunderbolts, very grounded movies not relevant to the bigger story at all.

[@edenhunter6353]

Wow! This is a great quality video and I'm surprised it's your first one! I've subbed and I'm looking forward to what's next!

[@Fantagonistic]

Thank you, thank you! I look forwards to bringing you more!

[@MrChupacabra555]

The sad thing is, the 'Best' Multiverse stories have been the one-shots (Spider-verse, which will soon be 3 movies, but all self-contained), and the ones that mine audience nostalgia (Multiverse of Madness, Deadpool and Wolverine). Its too late for Marvel to go back and change their course to give us more of that, although I hear some serious discussion is being had on giving Blade one final, 'Logan" like movie, thanks to audience reaction to Snipe's 'cameo' in D&W. 1:52 Huh, didn't know about that 'Team Up' 😅 Looks like 'Brave and The Bold' Batman, so time to find that episode.

[@Fantagonistic]

It’s just a quick cold opening on BaTB but it’s awesome!

[@HandOn-c40009]

To me the two kind of multiverse cliche that work is 1 the culmination of years long story telling leading to massive crossevent 2 a backdrop to tell smaller scale more personal story 1 is massive crossover like crisis, no way home, they get carried by the many amazing story before it 2 is like Everything Everywhere, a very personal and character driven story who happen to use multiverse, like if you remove the multiverse part you still get a solid family drama about a mother reconnecting with her daughter The problem with current multiverse is oversaturation, if every movie is "The world is in danger" is that danger really that dangerous when it get thwarted every week? Obviously we know that the world will survive because it's a movie but a movie still need to get audience invested and that be hard to do when the stake is always so big. If you eat cake everyday you eventually want something new.

[@Fantagonistic]

@@HandOn-c40009Yep, 100%

[@marktheshark7588]

NWH is carried by nostalgia and nothing else.

[@callumburcher]

Grate video man, I'm so done with there not being a plan with this stuff

[@bashengatheblackmanta7003]

My reason for not liking the multiverse is that I don't like seeing alternate version /variant of a character,I hate the concept of alternate timelines. My prefered version of the multiverse is that each universe have their own unique characters, Ivwant it to be like this: - Earth 1 is dvmcu characters - Earth2 :wildstorm universe - Earth 3: milestone universe - Earth 4: fawcett universe - Earth 5 : charlton universe Each universe to have its own characters & history. As for the dark multiverse (which I hope get introduce in dcu),I don't want it to be a dark reflection of the multiverse but rather a dark place inhabit dark creature (like the upside down man)

[@stupidteen7183]

was expecting you to have 100k subs from the quality, good job was amazing:)

[@Fantagonistic]

Ooh! Let's hope we get there! Thanks!

[@nexusshark]

This video needs more views

[@Fantagonistic]

I don't disagree! Thank you!

[@C3Z4rtv]

Great video. I was wondering why I kept coming back to NWH more than any of the other MV movies. I like the IDEA of Doctor Strange MoM using Professor X and Mr Fantastic, but I just don't care because we haven't actually "met" THAT version of the characters. So it could literally be anyone.

[@Fantagonistic]

@@C3Z4rtv Yes, it would have been so much more epic if we knew them for more than two minutes.

[@supercalifragilisticex]

2:58 MK1 Khaos Reigns did this, most characters were from another universe so there was no reason to be invested in them.

[@Gyparty]

Great work on the video

[@dabber_47]

Also Spider-man worked better because the other two Spider-men were from recent times where younger people remembered them. Micheal Keaton was from the early 90s where not many younger people might remember him. Maybe if we got Christian Bale back it would have been better, continuing his story with Robin and stuff

[@Fantagonistic]

@@dabber_47 I would love to see the Robin ending continued in a multiverse movie cameo one day, but I doubt we’ll see Bale return any time soon.

[@AJ-xc4qe]

This won't ever happen because Warner Bros rarely ever does what the fans want. And the Superman and Lois writers probably just want to focus on finishing their storylines for their final season. But I would give anything for one more multiverse crossover involving most of the DCTV shows like Gotham with David Mazouz as Batman, Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman and Birds of Prey (never watched the last two but hear me out) and especially the ones that were unfairly cancelled: Legends of Tomorrow, Stargirl, Powerless and I didn't watch it but also Swamp Thing. And I heard from the actress who played the tituar Naomi wanted to meet Superman despite being in a universe seperate from the ACTUAL Superman. Finally, I would have the crossover end by having all of these shows take place in the same universe like Crisis on Infinite Earths. Except for some shows that would contradict the timeline like Smallville and Gotham, obviously. The whole point of all these projects staying separate in its' own universe was stand out on their own, not relying on another show's popularity and messing up the timeline of other shows. But they're all over now and some characters in some universes don't exist; they might as well break reality and make them cohabitate in the same world! Their respective networks clearly don't give a shit about them. But the writers do! Seeing Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman, the Earth Prime Justice League, the Earth 2 JSA, the Titans, the Doom Patrol, Swamp Thing and Powerless retconned to be in the same world would be perfect for me! And they could also return to this universe in future projects once in a while like the DCAU! And it has to made by competent people who respect each of these shows. With better writing, direction, VFX, etc. Smallville has an animated series in the works; maybe it could start from there! And the crew making the show, mainly Michael Rosenbaum, is close with James Gunn. But I'd rather the entire story be a miniseries branded as Elseworlds as James Gunn put it instead of just a storyline on Superman and Lois.

[@JackEtheGuyMan]

i only care about the morbieverse

[@arctic_jake]

good video!

[@dorianmoore4403]

Nice video. But, I believe your premise regarding Batman in the Flash movie is incorrect. That IS supposed to be the Michael Keaton from Batman 89. It was just a poor choice of character non-development. Same with Zod and George Clooney. In Cloneys case, Barry’s small changes in the timeline merged timelines. I would also argue that in Deadpool and wolverine, the use of wolverine was even worse. Because, even though it wasn’t the same wolverine, the fact that it was Hugh Jackman just takesyou out of the movie, especially since the other Wolverines that they showed looked very different than Hugh Jackman. So why have him in the movie if he’s not the same Wolverine , which he wasn’t. They were just doing fan service for people to come out to see Hugh Jackman one more time. What saved DP and W was that It was a well written script.

[@Fantagonistic]

I think if Logan hadn’t been so beloved and well received they would have used the original Hugh Jackman version, but they chose not to because of how many people were invested in that finale for the character. I appreciated that they made the D&W version different from the original to explore the character instead of just being a carbon copy. In Flash they say that sometimes timelines converge giving you similarities between universes during time travel changes as an excuse to use the same actor and similar continuity, but it’s not the same one. Especially since he’s wiped from existence and replaced with Clooney’s version at the end.

[@OVWX]

​@Fantagonistic That part you said about Clooney's Batman erasing Keaton's Batman is actually incorrect. This is a common misconception. Sam Hamm, the screenwriter from Batman 89 and Batman Returns tweeted that the 2 Schumacher films take place on Earth-97. Whereas the 2 Burton films take place on Earth-89. The 3rd movie on Earth-89 would have been Batman Continues, and just because that movie never came out doesn't mean it isn't part of Earth-89's continuity. Like the scene of Nicolas Cage from Superman Lives in The Flash. Barry didn't erase the universe he was in with Keaton's Batman, he traveled from Earth-89 to Earth-97. He put himself on another strand of spaghetti like Keaton said. And yes, that WAS the Batman from the Burton movies. Why would they have gone to all that effort to get Michael Keaton, recreate Wayne Manor, the Batcave, Batmobile, Batsuits, and score Elfman's theme just for that to not be the Batman of Earth-89?

[@Fantagonistic]

@ They explicitly said in the movie that sometimes the strands cross, not that they were traveling from one strand to another. We saw that the other universes were represented by the orbs towards the end of the movie. Everything they did while changing time was within the one orb. Barry never travelled to another Earth in this film, he just changed the timeline of the Earth he was on and it caused other things in the timeline to shift as well. I do know that the Burton and Schumacher films are based on two different earths. I would have preferred if this movie was Barry traveling the multiverse instead of the strange time travel rules they came up with.

[@OVWX]

@@Fantagonistic Bruce did tell him that he puts himself on another strand of spaghetti. Meaning another timeline. They weren't entirely clear on certain details. It was odd to show the other universes as orbs at the end. The time travel structure in this movie was the only way they could get Ezra Miller's Flash to meet up with Michael Keaton's Batman without straight up going to another universe. Time travel and multiversal travel on The CW Flash makes much more sense. What's odd is that during CW's Crisis On Infinite Earths event, Grant Gustin's Flash and Ezra Miller's Flash met up briefly. Meaning 2 Flashes from 2 different sections of universes with different structures of time travel and multiversal travel were able to meet with each other. The Flash movie overall was good. Yeah, some of the effects should have been better and they should have structured and explained time travel better, but for what we got it is worth a re-watch which I have many times. I just hope we get a Flash movie in the future that's more like The Flash we know.

[@Fantagonistic]

@ I really like the CW Flash’s version of time and multiverse travel because it’s much closer to the comics. I was disappointed Grant Gustin’s Flash did not cameo in the movie as well

[@callmejacob3234]

Not gonna lie the Multiverse works better in animation than live action. Flashpoint and Spider-Verse are proof of this. Superheroes in general work better in animation. That's why some of the best superhero projects are animated. Batman: The Animated Series, Spectacular Spider-Man, Teen Titans, just to name a few. I will always hold animation to a higher standard than live action.

[@Fantagonistic]

@@callmejacob3234 They can definitely be a LOT more ambitious than they can in live action, especially with multiverse stories with infinite characters and no worries about the limitations of real life.

[@callmejacob3234]

@@Fantagonistic Exactly.

[@ZeroToNero]

I like the video man! Great job!

[@the_lonely_stoner_show]

Great job on this, got a sub from me. i can't wait for the next one. Keep it up bud!

[@Fantagonistic]

Absolutely will!

[@LappyAwoo]

Great video!

[@Fantagonistic]

Which movies have done Multiverses the best and which have done them the absolute worst?

[@crabbychimera3969]

As much as I don’t like what they did with Wanda and the whole Scarlet Witch plot line. I did enjoy multiverse of madness. There were some serious problems with the fights and power scaling. The Illuminati being a major example. But the rest of the movie held strong enough to not let that ruin it for me.

[@Fantagonistic]

@@crabbychimera3969 If they'd just had a little more time where Reed Richards had tried to come up with a scientific way to stop her like they had the others try to deal with her in their own ways I think that would have solved a lot of the fight/scaling issues people have.

[@artemisolympian6318]

​@@Fantagonistic Best one was 90s Spider-Man.

[@Fantagonistic]

@@artemisolympian6318 Correct answer for Marvel!

[@MartinMarsano]

Best: Spiderverse and what if (it's not a movie but still...) Worst: Deadpool and Wolverine and the Flash.

[@KonnRrr]

I only watch it because I’m into the multiverse stuff

[@Fantagonistic]

I love Multiverse stories in comics more than any other! That’s why I’m frustrated when they don’t know hoe to use it,

[@MS-co2ss]

I don’t care for TASM3. If they do make it, they need to have the Peter Meets His Father scene added back into TASM2.

[@Wombattuus]

You're pronouncing Multiverse wrong, it's Multiverse, not Multiverse.

[@Dog1167]

So what is the difference?

[@Wombattuus]

@@Dog1167 That's the joke

[@vishnugopalawasthi5888]

​@@Wombattuuswhat's the joke ?

[@Wombattuus]

@@vishnugopalawasthi5888 That while the viewer may notice his pronunciation of "Multiverse" to be different to the typical pronunciation, you can't actually explain the difference very well, so my comment is making fun of those people, and making a satirical joke of the futility of pronunciation.

[@mayotango1317]

You need to watch Sliders.

[@ansonchow2016]

This is a good video, until you look at Deadpool & Wolverine using a differently new Wolverine then what we used to but made it work.

[@Fantagonistic]

@@ansonchow2016 I think it worked in D&P because they didn’t act like it was the same character, they made him specifically different so we could contrast differences between them.

[@ansonchow2016]

​@@FantagonisticYeah I agree with that tbh, that what makes him the best Wolverine for me tbh. Him able to keep swearing and wearing a comic accurate suit makes him different in a way audience like it more, cuz I really don't think previous versions are that well received, except Logan movie one of course

[@mediamanjamessmith251]

Zod could have been replaced with (a version of) Brainiac just to change things up (not that it would have saved that absolute dumpster fire of a ‘movie’)

[@flamingphoenix1425]

6:30 Uncle Men

[@Fantagonistic]

@@flamingphoenix1425 You caught my flub! 😂

[@manleeman5212]

Your voice is too quiet I finally noticed it's been bothering me on several of your videos. The rest of the audio is fine but I have to max out my phone to hear you and feel like I'm gonna bust a speaker when any other audio cuts in and scares the sheet out of me.

[@Fantagonistic]

@@manleeman5212 Thanks for the feedback!

[@Itsdamere]

W video

[@IAMLILIIX]

Ever since mcu went downhill none of the Hollywood films been good it’s all poor writing

[@Fantagonistic]

It seems that it's all connected. Hopefully they're starting to understand their mistakes!

[@vishnugopalawasthi5888]

That's just bs but whatever

[@ChuckJansenII]

What about classic characters who never got to live their story finally get to live their story? Of whom doth aye speak, laddie?

[@Fantagonistic]

@@ChuckJansenII Gambit in Deadpool and Wolverine would be the best example.

[@ChuckJansenII]

@@Fantagonistic Yuppers. Gambit. "I didn't know my daddy, but I'm sure I shot outta his dick ready." Loved Channing Tatum finally getting to play Gambit.

[@Tom-_-Hanks]

You made a few valid points but: Too angry and negative, thumbs down, sorry but I'm setting this channel to DO NOT RECOMMEND. (Edit: also too much use of the F word)

[@Fantagonistic]

@@Tom-_-Hanks Flash?

[@bingl3k1ns3]

me am care about the multiverse

[@Anonk93]

Can I ask, what's with the cursing? I wish you luck but the content doesn't need to be between f bombs

[@MATDMixes]

Offended by words

[@Badfantasyadvice]

Dawg your premise is horseshit. No Way Home, Loki, Deadpool and Wolverine, Dr Strange 2 are some of the best and most successful projects the MCU has ever done. Outside of Marvel Everything Everywhere All at Once won Oscars and critical acclaim. Your presenting your opinion as fact and the numbers prove your false.

[@Fantagonistic]

Ecerything, Everywhere, All at Once did the Multiverse correctly and made people really excited about the concept. No Way Home and D&W also did an excellent job at the Multiverse in my opinion so people loved them a lot! Loki used the idea well sometimes, but wasn't clear about the rules of multiversal differences. And yes, Dr. Strange 2 made a lot of money, but with the hype surrounding it I think it should have made over a billion dollars. There are moments in all these movies that are interesting, but all combined besides NWH and D&W they've done a poor job at explaining to people what the multiverse is.

[@au6769]

@@Fantagonistic Meh No Way Home wasn't that great for me in cinema or trying to rewatch. FIlm found stupid ways to introduce these characters, stupid ways to introduce villains that wasn't even consistent with its own plot. The two Peter's hadn't evolved at all like they had been stuck in time (Andrew still mourning Gwen 10 yuears later and Toby still doing 'will they, won't they?' I get your points about The Flash etc but NWO as a multiverse concept was also such a big letdown considering the scope of what they could have done. And Spider-verse proved that

[@Fantagonistic]

@@au6769 My only issue with how they introduced characters is that I don’t believe Dr. Strange would have been so reckless as to do the spell that caused this in the first place.

[@marktheshark7588]

@@au6769 Exactly.I think he's blinded by the nostalgia of NWH like alot of people still are.NWH was just a nostalgia bait the movie.Spiderverse is way better multiverse movie than the overrated NWH.

[@Fantagonistic]

@@marktheshark7588I’m not blinded by nostalgia, but I do agree that Spiderverse is a much better multiverse movie.