Why you don’t hear about the ozone layer anymore

[@Vox]

Hi! Christina here - I wanted to share NASA’s World Avoided scenario with you. As a child of the ’80s, the threat of the ozone hole was always something I was aware of, but this model really helped me understand the catastrophe we would’ve faced had we ignored it: earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/WorldWithoutOzone Thanks so much for watching our video! Let us know what you think in the comments below.

[@tengkualiff]

Thank you, Christina!

[@GodKing804]

Medieval Warm eriod Little Ice age

[@tibodeclercq2131]

I almost have a degree in chemical engineering and don't want petroleum industry or any brand in organic chemistry to be eliminated in the name of climate change policy. We are continuously improving and doing things more efficiently to reduce pollutants, but there will always be some of it at the end.

[@thesilentone4024]

Soo you mean literally every pool and water treatment plant has this soo how will be fix it.

[@kiwibob223]

Hey New Zealander here, we have maybe the worst skin cancer rates in the world and from its this hole as I understand. Thanks world ❤️

[@PlanetaryFacts]

One day, I hope to see a video like this explaining why we no longer hear about climate change.

[@aleale6277]

There will always be climate change

[@NotFurious]

@@aleale6277 yes but hopefully we can reduce the rate by a significant amount one day :)

[@soggynutsjr]

😬

[@petetxul6477]

Spot on. But scammer freak Billy Gates is buying up all media. So we will probably keep hearing about CC and others of his sophisticated looting schemes.

[@nuanced202]

That will never happen. Climate change is inevitable. We're not causing it, merely speeding it up.

[@AhrkFinTey]

Another notable thing is that rather than telling consumers "stop buying aerosol cans" or "buy smaller refrigerators", we went directly after corporations and told them to find a solution. I feel like this would be the more effective way to combat general climate change, too

[@dronez9047]

Except now, big corporations control governments.

[@tech_report_0868]

@@dronez9047 As if government is some shiny awesome organization that was never sh*tty in the first place.

[@Angel_EU34]

@@dronez9047 Yep, that's exactly the problem. We're living in a political cyberpunk dystopia already.

[@Ira__L]

I wonder why governments aren't forcing manufacturers to ditch plastics on a larger scale, when we already have trash islands in the ocean, microplastics in marine animals and even honey and bear. We can use glass, carton and foil, but nope, almost everything is still covered in plastic packaging even in those countries that claim to be super green and eco conscious.

[@stant7122]

Motivated corporations to find a solution is not enough. We need dramatic action now. Here’s a solution: humanity has a self induced apocalypse where we all become Amish and vegetarian. At least that’s better than a Mother Nature induced apocalypse

[@martijn3151]

I guess she needed to add a fourth P to the story: Producers. Back then they directly attacked the producers of the chemical, and therefore went straight to the source. These days the narrative is aimed at the consumers and personal responsibility, a narrative invented by stakeholders such as BP. This ensured that for decades the big players stayed out of the picture. Change isn't possible if that remains the case.

[@senluz9840]

exactly

[@sriramvasudevan6901]

This is such an underrated comment!! So true!

Exactly!! If you want to actually solve a problem you gotta go down to its roots! If you just cut the leaves, they'll grow again

[@lh7180]

exactly!

[@mareksendecki5695]

This.

[@RedRuffinsore]

All air pollution has been reduced by 65-70% since the 80s. The air is much, MUCH cleaner than it was 50 or 100 years ago. This is the success that is never discussed.

[@kitemanmusic]

Yes. Now it lets in more sunlit, instead of reflecting it back into space. The Earth is also greener than 100 years ago, thanks to increased CO2

[@johnchandler1687]

More of the Sun's radiation reaching the ground makes it warmer, right? Not to mention that the impending magnetic pole reversal ( going on right now) is letting even more radiation in thanks to the weakening protective magetosophere. And nothing we can do will change it one iota.

[@astrobeno]

ozone hole still present and oscillate (with huge size in 2020), despite gas in deodorant, just no one talk aboit and worry on empty place

[@johnchandler1687]

@@RedRuffinsore No one worries about it because the ozone opening and closing is part of Earth's natural rhythm. Just like magnetic pole reversals ( one of which we're in the beginning of right now), ice ages and the Sun's cycle of getting hotter and cooler. Not a thing humans can do about them, but adapt.

[@tonyryan43]

Just how gullible can people be? Airborne pollution has been modified in certain cities, but not globally. It gets steadily worse. Plane loads of aluminium and barium are being spread over human habitation, and you have not noticed?

[@encouragingword799]

I am curious as to why this victory over a depleting ozone layer has not been more publicized?

[@Chef_Alpo]

Because it was a fable that outlived its usefulness.

[@Victoriens]

@@Chef_Alpo A fable in what sense?

[@Soheil123]

@@Victoriens don't try to reason with them...

[@hexkwondo]

@@Victoriens people weren't afraid anymore. I'm sure that you can connect the dots from there.

[@asfsgdwfsfew4fwsdfgwerf232]

Fear keeps people in line

[@terramater]

Ozone layer recovery is an environmental success story! It shows that collective action, guided by science, is the best way to solve major global challenges. This kind of good news should inspire all of us to join forces on keeping the earth's rising temperature as low as possible. How awesome would it be if our editors could skip all the flooding/wildfires/extinction stories and could go straight to "How humanity achieved the 1.5 target and saved biodiversity hotspots".

[@Scrungge]

Very true, there is hope!

[@terramater]

@@Scrungge Yes, there's hope! 💫

[@crystalgiddens7276]

horse manure

[@vuchaser99]

The key is the chemistry of CFCs and O3 was well known and straight forward to make that policy change. The best way to get proper policy is to continue to pull more of the population out of poverty, having disposable wealth to place in enacting change. So we must keep energy cheap... the most effective method to keep consistent energy production high is not wind or solar it is nuclear... which has nearly zero (processing and mining contributions) Co2 output. The 4th and now developing 5th generation nuclear is very safe IF safety is a priority (I am watching you China)... no short cuts. Solar and wind are NOT efficient to support global energy demand to keep poverty low and continuing to shrink.

[@crystalgiddens7276]

@@vuchaser99 Nuclear power has been safe for sometime now. That we put nuclear power in our warships should be a clue. Those mini nulear power generators could power small cities towns etc for 20 plus years. We are deprived of this because cheap power is not in the financial interest of he few. The ozone hole scare is the same as the AGW scare. Not to mention, the politicians that passed the new controls had "inside information" on which companies to invest in and as well as their political contribution for passing the new laws.. co2 is NOT a pollutant it is a clear odorless gas that happens to be plant food.

[@shokimo6866]

I literally expected the reason to be: "Because we lost the fight years ago." Since when is it healing? That’s amazing!

[@wolfgangrecordings]

it's literally been healing since the cfc ban in the '90s

[@LoneWolfLegendOfficial]

its healing becuase of covid, we all stayed home because of fear. covid is nothing but a test. has been this whole time.

[@aren2839]

@@LoneWolfLegendOfficial not quite but I like the enthusiasm

[@shokimo6866]

@@LoneWolfLegendOfficial was my first thought when I heard about that whole pandemic thing haha

[@GamerGod-fp1tj]

@@LoneWolfLegendOfficial no, climate change has improved slightly because of Covid. The cfc/ozone problem has been long dealt with

[@imjustsaying2769]

The whole world owes Dr. Susan a huge thank you. A big one

[@georgigeorgiev1329]

China owes this chicken a huge thank you. Now China produce all freon and export it around the world.

[@theSparkyWatts]

Not really

[@wisdomseekers479]

I don't owe her jack

[@anexpertonthematter1468]

​​@@wisdomseekers479 Yes you do

[@JKey]

@@wisdomseekers479 🤫

[@mbgal7758]

Imagine a time when people believed science and cared about the environment.

[@sarbajithazra9981]

did you watch the video? this is literally an example of it

[@Michaelqqq]

@@sarbajithazra9981 they weren’t being serious bro. chill

[@A_name_is_a_name]

Y’all know the hole in the ozone is still there right? A few months over a year ago the hole got to the size of three times that of the United States. The 12th largest in recorded history. Although, recorded history doesn’t have much on weather patterns and that’s why they can use a speculative hypothesis to scare people. You can’t say they’re wrong or right because it’s purely speculative at the time. Only time will tell and it has said they were wrong.

[@lachlanjeffery2597]

They didnt really. They did it in the last minute, when they had found another way to fix the issue without it costing them too much

[@purpleworm4725]

times aren't different. Its just that fuel industry lobby is waaaaay stronger than that for CFCs. Also CFCs were only in some products, while greenhouse gasses are emitted in huge quantities by almost every single company.

[@Queening]

as soon as i watched this i was like "just another fact contributing to human's extinction" but as soon as j heard that its healing, i genuinely thought it was a joke. I cannot believe us humans actually stopped a huge problem like this. We need to keep doing this.

[@Kelefi]

Ikr??

[@gorkyd7912]

In the 90s I was very concerned about the destruction of habitat, plastic and chemical pollution of water, and loss of biodiversity. I get why people are concerned about the climate but ever since the early 2000s when climate change has dominated every discussion about the environment the work and attention we spend on the acute issues of pollution, habitat destruction, and species losses seems to be dropping.

[@o.rbi.t]

I thought the same thing

[@woagy237]

🤓

[@xyz-yd5wg]

Apes together STRONG

[@hamsterdam7589]

I hope we get “why we don’t hear about climate change anymore” video in the near future

[@richardscathouse]

Because it's a lie.

[@fudanshidean3816]

The climate already changed.. wdym?

[@yasminelucman4827]

@@richardscathouse ???

[@Yarmox]

Climate change is a broad name for a series of current changes going on, unlike the ozone being a single solvable issue. Climate change is also a natural process, humans existed during the ice age too. These ages come and go, we have accelerated warming by giving off certain things (methane being a big one comparable to cfcs like in this video), but alot more things are going on then there being one solution.

[@0okupant]

@@richardscathouse yea not like there are thousands of studies proving it and none proving that it’s false

[@simonr23]

what's odd is that in australia we were told that we get sunburnt so easily and quickly because of the ozone layer hole. but we get burnt faster/worse now, than back in the period from late 80's onwards.

[@BrianLTanner]

That’s because that ozone depletion has not subsided.

[@astrobeno]

@@BrianLTanner someone still use deodorants with freon? no, its periodic law, dont depend from humans

[@Tui3694]

@@astrobeno so freon still remains in the atmosphere

[@rlas]

The Spiegel released an article on illegal use of ozone damaging gases. China was caught to have released 75 thousand tons of FCKW (en:CFC) per year from 2014 to 2017. Additionally 64 thousand tons of CFC per year from 2008 to 2012. Article release was in 2019. On top of all this: Methane and N20 (laughing gas) are also known to destroy the ozone layer.

[@silveritea]

Walking into sunlight stings far more than it did in the 80’s

[@captainzoll3303]

Call me a cynic, but let's be honest, the only reason we were able to take immediate concise action was because the chemical manufacturers were able to hike up the price of the newer HFCs. the yes, the solutions were personal, perceptible, and practical, but above all else they were profitable.

[@ho8753]

I agree with you. If it's not beneficial for them, why sacrifice?

[@Neko2fishore]

covid lockdown the entire world economy and people did it.

[@jonbravo9278]

@@Neko2fishore against their will.

[@rigelbound6749]

practical = profitable. You can't expect people to voluntarily go broke. That has to be taken into account when thinking about climate change solutions.

[@linkinl1]

Renewable energies are profitable

[@noahpehowic6080]

I'm honestly shocked that we actually did it and it's extremely hard to believe that we stopped it. I hope we can continue this environmental conservation... unfortunately, there are still so many deniers of human-induced climate change that it's hard to have faith in the future of our environment.

[@graphitetailgrace3870]

It's not the deniers, it's the corporations...who unfortunately seem to be headed by deniers.

[@fetzi6284]

Funny thing, humans didnt change anything last couple decades, so humans cant be the reason.

[@noahpehowic6080]

@@fetzi6284 Wdym?

[@euphoricbliss6699]

Don't be fooled, that's exactly what they want you to believe. That we are so smart we figured it out and solved it already. Just so they can point at carbon dioxide next and try to the same thing, which would lead to the end of civilization as we know it

[@mcburcke]

You have been deceived. Read the book by Dr. Tim Ball, PhD "The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science" if you want to actually learn the truth about the climate hoax.

[@DarthVader-gp4kr]

Shout out to the scientists who discovered the problem and proposed a solution and shout out to the media who communicated it to the people. You guys really saved the world.

[@ThePinkBinks]

As a child of the 80’s… I wish we hadn’t bothered.

[@DrCruel]

@@ThePinkBinks The great thing about inventing a crisis out of thin air is that it is very easy to resolve the crisis. All you have to do is announce that the problem is solved and "WOOT" they it is. Oh happy days.

[@ThePinkBinks]

DrCruel Indeed, hence I wish we hadn’t bothered. Or rather I wish my parents generation had been far more discerning. There isn’t a single thing that wasn’t a hoax but people are still falling for them. Not that it matters considering what this has all been leading up to and is about to start.

[@scorpioninpink]

The time when Scientist are actually listened too.

[@trebelojaques458]

@@ThePinkBinks so, the ozone never had a hole to begin with?

[@ReptilezDzn]

its great that we made this effort all over the world, im just stuck thinking about the question "Why was the hole in ozone hole just over antarctica, where not many people live, feels like the hole should be somewhere else

[@nurasha318]

Apparently it’s because the environment in Antarctica makes it easier for the reaction to happen than in other parts of the world. So the reaction mainly happened there and in large scale

[@itsbeiko]

This is wild. Literally today I was thinking of how much we heard about the ozone layer as kids and how it’s not talked about anymore and now this video is on my feed

[@zwitteramino]

Well Google knows too much about you then... little bit scary

[@captainobvious8037]

Wasn't there a hole over sydney?

[@joostvanwijk3842]

I was thinking about this two hours ago, kind of weird.

[@TheKitchenTechnician]

Now Google can read your mind, unless of course you were talking about it. I regularly get KZbin feeds about things I was having a conversation about. I know, I know, I can turn that off in settings but I actually find it quite fascinating.

[@dr.downvote]

Zucc moment

[@flora7856]

It feels amazing to hear something positive about the environment for once

[@sanji1259]

well...sorry to interrupt, but the hole is bigger than ever...china never stopped using those chemicals

[@link2442]

@@sanji1259 That is true and in fact it is disrupting fish and other aquatic life by building dams on every single river they have even multiple dams on a single river. That is not including all amount of waste they dump on rivers from all the manufacturing plants they have that make all of our daily products. This was also the cause of the extinction of the baiji dolphin in the Yangtze River

[@sanji1259]

@@link2442 the reality is literally too much to handle for the majority...many solutions turn out to be worse... it's sad what we do ...

[@Iceify_]

@@sanji1259 its healing but very slowly, its not depleting like it used to anymore.

[@sanji1259]

@@Iceify_ because china and others are still using those chemicals...and we don´t care about it but yell how green we are...

[@shanehelper8802]

It is so refreshing to hear good news about the environment for once.

[@um4883]

Ikr I was freaking out.

[@tenidaska9984]

@R J i like fish

[@DrCruel]

We could solve most of the ecological problems in the West overnight. All one would have to do is to stop issuing billion dollar grants to ecologists with dubious academic credentials and research practices.

[@intreoo]

For real, aside from most of humanity dying from skin cancer if the Ozone hole was not confronted, the global temperature would also already be around 1 degree Celsius warmer than today, which would've pretty much already devastated humanity decades ago.

[@oslidd]

@@tenidaska9984 me tooo (¤ _°)

[@Davethreshold]

YES! I distinctly remember when they quit using refrigerant R12 in ALL air conditioners. It happened very quickly. We complained about air-cons not being as cold as they used to be, but when that hole started filling in we were very glad to be a part of it!

[@ihatecrackhead]

HA< ozone is easy to make costs a million to replace it, spent billions to save it

[@V2RocketScientist]

Well, now i need to go research as to whether old refrigerants are as efficient as today's. "More cold" was probably due to poor designs.

[@wisdomseekers479]

Oooh I thought it was because of the germs it harboured....🤣🤣🤣

[@jeffhogueison1656]

R22 not R12 ?? (replaced with R410a) 2010 no more units made with R22, then 2020 no units can be refilled with R22 -completely out of the chain.

[@JosephRusso-z7i]

I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU THEY STILL USE R 12 IN HEAT PUMPS.

[@zacharyfrazier4826]

Low key Dr. Susan saved the whole world and no one knows who she is.

[@0638]

and that's what i call a hidden hero

[@idontknow6859]

Can you tell about her?

[@cmsnsnnds]

@@idontknow6859 she's the lady in the video..

[@avxlitis]

@@idontknow6859 They’re talking about Dr. Susan Solomon - in the video. This person says Dr. (first name, or Susan in this case). Most say Dr. (last name, or Solomon in this case). I hope I helped you understand this a bit more.

[@BOFRDASLEEPER]

A hero we all need but didn't deserve

[@SatanicDesolation]

It's so nice to hear that the world is able to take collective action when it's really crucial. Nice to know that this is at least possible.

[@johnbainivanua2566]

*was atleast possible....

[@beezmanit2683]

@@johnbainivanua2566 too bad internet happened

[@Dragoon710]

@@beezmanit2683 its bittersweet. Information available to everyone with the caveat being anyone can modify that information.

[@shiff9121]

Conspiracy theorists: hold my beer

[@Crymble]

Problem is: this was way easier to solve.

[@TimeBucks]

Thank god social media didn't exist in the 80's/90's

[@pedroDpoop]

Why just asking I still haven’t seen the whole thing

[@Bringmorehoes]

Yeah otherwise People might start living underground

[@maddoxghostman4572]

@@pedroDpoop well.. watch it then and maybe you'll understand the point he's making.

[@Qwerty-yp3jq]

OMG VERIFIED

[@nirajsingh8403]

The whole thing wasn't real to begin with, it was a hoax.. The goalposts shift soon as the time comes

[@esmannr]

We did come together and reduced the use of CFC in deodorant, however, A/C units still use it. If you could snap your fingers and make the entire ozone layer disappear, like a magician, it would return in thirty days. The ozone layer is created by the sun interacting with oxygen (O) in the upper atmosphere. The O=O bonds are broken. The two individual O atoms bond with an O=O creating O-O-O, or ozone. The poles get less direct sunlight, therefore the ozone layer is naturally weaker there.

[@astrobeno]

hole dont depend from human activity

[@davidpaisdealmeida2793]

Finally some good news. Vox should make more videos like this, most of they’re content is just depressing Edit: spoke too early

[@alphatrion100]

Its reality.

[@fightplace123]

Their*

[@CarlAquaForce]

@@fightplace123 I never know exactly when to use their and they're.. not very bright I guess.😃

[@Colnago2005]

@@CarlAquaForce use the same sentence with "they are". If it doesn't make sense, then don't use they're. It's how I figure it out xD

[@hotbroth2573]

@@CarlAquaForce it’s aight, both of u guys are assuming aren’t english

[@terramater]

Hopefully, this success story can inspire us to tackle the great environmental issue of our time. Through our productions, we meet so many incredibly motivated people out there, doing an incredible job. The solutions are there, we just have to be willing to pull together.

[@hall0o082]

13 mins ago 61 likes me impressed

[@eliasziad7864]

SHUT UP!

[@eduardpeeterlemming]

Hope our goverments do something useful other then just sit and wait

[@inasaldinuguan785]

Together we can make a difference!

[@iliashdz9106]

@@eliasziad7864 Climate change sceptic, why do you exist?

[@ervicito77]

I remembering giving a presentation at school in the 1990s about the importance of saving the earth's ozone layer. I'm glad we've successfully come a long way since then. 🌍

[@mainerockflour3462]

Makes sense. Humanity created the problem and as soon as we took our hands off the wheel, everything straightened out.

[@rabbit251]

Half of Americans don't believe in climate change. And guess who is leading the charge?

[@claudevinyard4477]

You are not a child anymore, you can't believe it climate change as an adult.

[@slslbbn4096]

To counter global warming, we need to shoot chemicals that prevent sun heat energy absorption into the sky. 10 years later: Snowpiercer

[@abhijitdas9697]

Amen! 🔔🔔🔔🔔🔔🔔🔔🌙🌙🌙🌙💎💒🌙🌴🌴🌴💣💣💣💣💣💣💣💣🔔🌙🍈🍈🍈🍈🍈🍈🍈🌳🌳🌳🌳🌳🌾🌾🌾🌾🌾🌾

[@TechiesUnofficial]

One day, I hope to see a video like this explaining why we no longer hear about war.

[@Stumundo]

Did you watch the news? lol

[@Murph_.]

Good luck.

[@BrokerLL19]

Will never happen sadly

[@penew8692]

The 90s in school they told us this was an end we Could see. Imagine the anxiety.

[@sethreign8103]

Don't have to imagine when we're facing our own global threat.

[@jezz1217]

in the 10's in school they told us climate change and global warming is slowly killing our planet.. it's still happening 😭

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@@jezz1217 Ha ha ha ha... Climate Change is the least of your kin's worries... The Earth shall be undone.

[@senseofthecommonman]

@@sethreign8103 the only threat is to drown in the stupidity of people that believe that.

[@johnDukemaster]

The 70s at school we were tought that we were facing global cooling, and towards a new iceage. They showed us data and facts to support that. We talked alot about that, how that would affect us all. And now warming? They show us data and facts to support that. We talk alot about that, how that can affect us all...

[@EquateX]

It’s nice to have an uplifting video about the earths future, it’s so often a doomsday narrative

[@myfinevoice5158]

Absolutely, yeah! It's always too depressing when it involves climate change. A refreshing outlook 🌏

[@DOSFS]

Bad news is always louder than good news, also sell better

[@tibodeclercq2131]

some people on the left talk like our planet is doomed while it's not.

[@sprigganmint9291]

@@tibodeclercq2131 it is if we carryon like were are right now

[@tibodeclercq2131]

@@sprigganmint9291 It's not doomed. We can deal with some of it after all. And spending trillions of dollars ain't helping.

[@SgtJoeSmith]

i like how they showed steam (water vapor) at the nuclear plant at the end like that was a problem. the plant is creating rain for areas east of it. plus clean energy.

[@JonnoPlays]

I've actually been wondering about this a lot. When I was a kid it was all over the news and they even had that "sun screen" song that was insanely popular for no apparent reason. Now you literally never hear about it. Thanks so much for producing this.

[@instinctrules2969]

ur here too?

[@sterlingforbes3872]

that's when politicians owned sunblock stock... now it's pharma. :-)

[@originalmamagrizzly2478]

I don’t think there probably EVER was a significant problem… yet another lie propagated by climate extremists and engineered to push the “green” agenda… i think GOD fixed it because His people have been praying for restoration!

[@sterlingforbes3872]

@@originalmamagrizzly2478 Well if that's the case, let's hope people start praying to fix world hunger, homelessness, and peace.

[@JonnoPlays]

@@instinctrules2969 I'm everywhere 😉

[@morbiddawg]

I was in my grade school when I learned about the ozone layer having a massive hole. As a child, it was a scare. Thankful that it has healed

[@abasisc5391]

phew same

[@elainelouve]

I remember when we talked about the deodorants in the locker room after sports class. Saying stuff like "so you're still destroying the ozone layer" when someone had spray on deodorant. We were well aware of the CFCs. I guess it was the first time ever that I started to pay attention to what things really contained. And there were spray on deodorants labeled "does not contain CFC". I was using the roll on ones, so didn't need to worry, but of course there was also hairspray and fridges. I wish climate change was as easy to deal with.

[@YashSharma-zp8yu]

Lol! Same here.

[@mr3x2x]

What about CFC's in a/c?

[@Alritealritealrite]

Yeah that was miraculous

[@christophergaspar6520]

"every single country eventually signed the protocol, making it the only universal treaty to every be ratified" wow this has brought me back some hopes with the humanity

[@O.Reagano]

Even though this happened 34 years ago?

[@christophh9477]

According to some there is another: all countries in the world have agreed to hype up a harmless corona virus so that they can destroy their own economies. Strange how this is the only other thing in history that all countries could agree on... 🙄

[@sagittariusbstar1805]

@@christophh9477 I didn't read your comment thorougly, I deleted mine and hope you can accept my apology xD

[@moscanaveia]

@@christophh9477 Wait, your comment begs some more careful explanations. Are you saying the particular take that the pandemic problem is somehow overblown is right or wrong? Because it is wrong, profoundly so. I see someone down there excusing themselves because of a now-deleted response to your comment, but it is not clear whether you think we should worry about an airborne virus that spreads very quickly and has the potential to overburden healthcare systems worldwide and has already produced millions of victims worldwide.

[@Zagadochnost]

@@moscanaveia comment starts with “according to some”. So it’s not Christoph opinion

[@becketmariner]

what this video forgets to mention is that the Chlorine bits fuse with hyrogen and sinks out of the ozone layer, and gets diluted by the water molecules weakening it BUT into acid rain. Hydrocholoric acid rain which gets dumped out over the artics. but it's weakened. the oxygen molecules are then allowed to fuse back into each other after ultraviolet I think UV-b blasts a oxygen molecule into two oxygen bits (which which fuse back together eventually, but sometimes a loose oxygen disemodied particle fuses with an already formed oxygen bonded to form 3 oxygens. Or super oxygen, very very dangerous on earth we breath that it breaks up our lungs. But it's perfect to form as a shiled up there as ozone. With less and less CFC's being flushed away in the rain (as it sinks down as hydrocholric acid molecules it still exists but as weakened form. Gets flushed again, weaker and weaker. And that's why our ozone is also healing. What's not cool though is these carbon is extremely destructive and punching weaker holes into the ozone slowing this healing up. Forest fires for instant, volcano eruptions and emissions. so let's say Green house gases are a big hoax and Greta is a spastic freak (she's not) and entertain these oilphiles. There's still the fact that the carbon is acidifying our oceans, and... destorying our ozone... now if we can produce more trees they absorb the carbon (to make more tree tissue), allows less carbon into the atomsphere, and more air molecules for the process of making 3 oxygen air molecules, also allows our seas to detox and start using carbon to build up it's structures, coral, shell fish their shells. the sea is an extremely useful storage for carbon. but too much carbon. drive hybrids, unless we have green ways of generating the electricity. clean your car so it's areo dynamic (get shark scale body kits on the surface of our vehilcles to reduce wear), gloss up our vehilcles with ceramics. It's make our engines work less. do all that carbon reducing stuff ie eat vegan for a day of the week. And let these natural processes do their thing.

[@victoremisho9432]

When they said "The world came together"... I gave that surprised face and was like "We did!?!?!?"

[@voltage5493]

nowadays people are gonna claim it as some sort of government conspiracy and would hoard CFC products

[@link2442]

I would doubt North Korea, China and Iran to be participating

[@REON-pw5ze]

🌚

[@sdfjsd]

me too. Dang everyone actually signed that treaty!? What?! Like, that never happens!

[@stevencorrea8032]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 UVC radiation is already at the ground and I'm loving it

[@almightyguy3987]

If earth is considered mother, human are the greatest mfs out there

[@user-dr2fi2cn8c]

🤣🤣

[@digojez]

@@KingVermilion Is he wrong tho?

[@Jaaziar]

Nice one

[@stalker2084]

And Activists have mommy kinks

[@digojez]

@@stalker2084 I would never think of it like that, but it fits perfectly with the narrative 👀

[@auwanho]

I hope Dr. Solomon knows that she has literally saved the entire world.

[@meixo9083]

bet she thinks that, too.

[@davepowell7168]

Research James Lovelock

[@alandouglas2789]

She would be if it were true.

[@alex-ek8vt]

@@alandouglas2789 what do you mean

[@reduxanimatory7369]

At least for now

[@meerajakhar07]

It's amazing what humans can do when united.

[@JermStone]

At least I can say that once in my lifetime humanity realized a problem and stepped up together to solve it. I hope this trend can continue.

[@ميالسبيعي-ر5ز]

After the cold war... we almost go extint by nukes...they get rid of most of nucks ...

[@sandal_thong8631]

The solution for eliminating nuclear weapons is one-world government. Otherwise, you may as well just watch Superman IV repeatedly until you get the point.

[@Christ_club]

Tell me how you participated 😐

[@counterfit5]

Acid rain is also vastly reduced since the early 90s, thanks to the cap & trade system

[@frmt9030]

Oh yeah, like the vaccines 🤣

[@inayamulla7780]

On behalf of the younger generation, i’m here to tell you how grateful im for this.

[@arctrooper6386]

same

[@cortezdaslayer4347]

Why tho they broke it only logical that they fix it

[@cortezdaslayer4347]

@Arun Mathew this was going to affect them. plus this may sound a bit entitled, but I am not gonna be grateful for some one breaking my home and then fixing it

[@sabrinas.1302]

So nice of you Inaya! I, too, express my gratitude for this. Also, the disaster caused by climate change needs to be handled by our generation and we shall make ourselves ready...

[@Sugarsail1]

it was never a significant problem. There was no "hole" in the ozone , just a seasonal low concentration area over the poles which should be expected based on atmospheric physics. This was another hysteria driven primarily by politics.

[@Namae_Desuuu]

I just want to say, honestly as someone that’s still rlly young (21), I’m really really thankful elders before me stepped up to do this. If the generations before me didn’t take action, perhaps I wouldn’t be enjoying the sun the way I can now. It inspires me to look out for future generations as well. So thank you, to everyone that pushed for this and VOX for sharing this :) Like someone said in the comments, I hope one day you’d make a video abt “why we don’t hear about climate change anymore”.

[@tibodeclercq2131]

I'm 22, almost graduated in industrial engineering (in the sector industrial chemistry), and hope there will be no exaggerated regulation in the petroleum sector (or industry in general) in the name of climate change. Many engineers also develop technology to live with climate change.

[@DinoDudeDillon]

That is never going to happen in your lifetime. Sorry to say. I mean even if we address the problem of carbon emissions radically and adequately now, the Earth will continue to warm for decades. We'd need negative emissions on a massive scale to actually eliminate the problem, like we did for the ozone layer. Rather than simply mitigate it.

[@DinoDudeDillon]

@@tibodeclercq2131 ok well there needs to be, sir.

[@QarthCEO]

Your generation loves to demonize the generation that fixed the ozone layer issue. Your generation loves to blame them for everything. You call them "boomers", and say they destroyed the future, yet they literally saved the planet numerous times.

[@tubester4567]

Vox is owned by a company that is one of the largest polluters in the world.

[@stussymishka]

This should be talked about more. Humanity recognized a threat and really worked together to solve it,

[@selfseeker143]

Small correction, humans created a threat, later recognized it, then they created another threat to mitigate the first threat.

[@emilywright3454]

Yes gives me hope for the climate catastrophe

[@LisaRoy-qb7cv]

Unlike global warming, which is a natural phenomenon

[@wasw]

@@LisaRoy-qb7cv Its speed isn't natural though and that's the biggest issue, not that it exists, we all know it's natural

[@spiderliliez]

I remember this as a kid and I hear it all the time in school and on TV. I always wondered what had happened... I wish we can do the same for climate change.

[@jynxyouowemeasoda5066]

Difference from the past and now is that no big power was making money off of the chemical that contributed to depleting the O-zone. This time climate change is by oil companies, fracking and big money war machines that contribute to manufacturing polluting weapons. Now that it impacts them they won't comply

[@osvaldovalencia6330]

@@jynxyouowemeasoda5066 it’s the same thing as the pass. Why you think we switching gasoline cars to electric vehicles by 2030. Because of global warming. Vehicles all over the world make i big impact to global warming along other things

[@fastone371]

@@osvaldovalencia6330 Do you really believe that humans can mine enough metals to replace gas cars with electric in only 10 years??? Gas cars will be with us for many decades yet. What the earth really needs is less humans, over population is a problem, we wont be able to feed them all without depleting resources.

[@osvaldovalencia6330]

@@fastone371 what u r saying won’t happen. Once car companies switch to full electric I’m sure governments are gonna put pressure to people to change electric cars by helping them do down payment or 0 down payment. Not everyone gonna switch all at once but gasoline cars already have death date and that’s 2030

[@fastone371]

@@osvaldovalencia6330 Where are all of the materials going to come from to make the batteries that will be required??? I will believe the end of petrol cars when I see it, you can go ahead and believe the government if you want to but I personally wont put any stock into that.

[@lanced1265]

2 questions I’m left with after this. 1. Why was the ozone so bad over Antarctica? 2. If the CFCs last a century, why would any change have a noticeable impact in just a decade? Shouldn’t things look basically the same for the next 50 plus years? I’m not any type of expert, so just curious.

[@Topwatch98]

Energetic particles are funneled into the south pole due to the magnetosphere, they annihilate ozone (O3), the hole is still there and through natural processes increases and decreases in size due to electric atmospheric processes, temperature and those energetic particles from space. The Earth's magnetosphere has decline in strength for many years and continues to weaken. A good source for information is the SuspiciousObservers channel here on KZbin. Although CFCs do interact with ozone we would be arrogant in thinking that humans were the only cause, Volcanic eruptions dump tons and tons of chemicals that do this also. I think it's great that we are striving to pollute less but the money doesn't seem to go in that direction.

[@Shay.e38]

it has been almost 50 years

[@tobehonest4833]

Most valid observations and questions here…

[@willyhillstrom7816]

Something about patents on CFC's running out, Dupont needed the world to change to the newly patented HFC's. People can believe what ever they want, I guess.

[@nigelliam153]

@@willyhillstrom7816 the patent issue was around r22 which is why Dupont wanted to make it redundant and move to 134a then 410a etc. In the 1970s the design of the large industrial CFC chillers ment that when they started up they used to vent gas to remove air contaminants. World wide it meant hundreds tons of CFC'S were vented to atmosphere each year. With r22 you never had that issue.

[@samaykumar6059]

Actually so nice to learn about this. Ever since I read about CFCs in 8th grade and how they increase due to the use of refrigerators and ACs, I started having massive guilt and tried to use as little as possible. My anxiety and guilt only grew more and more, over the years but now I know that I was simply so misinformed. I thought CFCs were the biggest problem because they threatened the ozone layer, unaware that the ozone layer was rapidly being fixed. Thanks Vox, love your videos. Thank you Christina.

[@YasminMuryadi]

I think you're unaware that you've been part of the help that fixed the ozone layer, at least not making it worse. Thank you for caring!

[@Re-liner_outdoors]

The cfc’s contained in your a/c and refrigeration systems can only be released if there’s a leak in the system. It’s a completely sealed system and does not release cfc’s into the air while using it.

[@ichi_yu9940]

Yes but your limited use also means that there is.less.pollution in the environment!Good job :))

[@abhijitdas9697]

Amen! 🔔🔔🔔🔔🔔🌙🌙🌙🌙🌴💣💣💣💣💣🍈🌳🌾🌾🌾

[@nurhana7084]

same i live in southeast asia and it’s incredibly hot but we almost never use the AC

[@lucasblackledge3878]

The problem with human kind is that we insist on forcing rule without recognition; keep reading to learn why. If CFC's used in the 80's caused this issue, how did they make their way to the south pole? I'm not a meteorologist, but I am aware of the global windstream patterns. Majority of CFC's would've been used in the northern hemisphere, I.E. USA, UK, and other first world countries throughout North America, Europe, and Asia. If those fumes transcended into the atmosphere, how was the north pole not affected? The only reason this treaty was signed is that political leaders are not capable logical thought or questioning. They were scared, and did what they thought would appease the majority they represent. If you actually analyze the graphs they present, there is no TRUE correlation between numbers. Yes, we may contribute to climate change; however we are not the reason it is occurring. There are other forces at hand that we fail to acknowledge because we insist on forcing rule without recognition. Just like every dictator and tyrant to ever rule. THAT is the down fall to humanity.

[@abhishekkulkarni2918]

Wait.... you are telling me if the world got together, leaving aside their differences, we can avoid catastrophe.... This is brand new information

[@jairusfukiau1239]

🤣🤣🤣

[@abasisc5391]

never realised that omg

[@vitaminluke5597]

Humans aren't actually that bad at working together and solving issues as long as there aren't more powerful people in the way. Sure, there were forces that didn't want to stop producing CFCs, but they weren't even close to being comparable to the power of the petroleum industry, past and present. No country then relied on CFCs for their economies to the same degree that they do for fossil fuels now, and an aerosol manufacturer doesn't come close to an oil company in terms of how they can bully politicians into doing whatever they want and buying media outlets to trick a critical mass of voters. Still, with this information and a successful roadmap based on CFC phaseout, the climate crisis could be our next success (albeit only partially; some damage is already irreversible for the next few centuries).

[@hedgehog3180]

@@vitaminluke5597 The most important takeaway is that capitalism keeps creating worldwide crises and for each one we get closer to the edge before dealing with it than we did last time, so if we do manage to beat climate change we just have to really hope that there won't be another one after that because that one will be sure to destroy us.

[@AshrakAhmed]

this was a time before Twitter and Facebook so we did believe our scientist and experts! I'm not holding my breath for the next save!

[@mamatham8626]

Used to write essays about the depletion of ozone layer during school days... around 10 years back...😐 But now...this news is relieving ✌️

[@MrH4N0]

Did you offer a solution in your essay? Maybe they used your idea and didn't give you credit. Gotta give credit where credit is due... Thank you for saving our lives. Youʻre the real hero 👏🏽😂

[@ignacior.dealmeida8581]

Those scientists are the real heroes. It's incredible how they managed to find that one specific substance that was consuming the ozone!

[@savannahmavy7064]

*Tiny correction: they aren't one specific substance but a group of similar substances

[@90klh]

It must have been a heroic feat to figure out the underlying mechanisms of those chemicals- Its kinda less perceptible from a public standpoint, no storms wracked the country, island countries wernt disappearing.

[@anthonyfaiell3263]

Imagine spending your whole life studying atmospheric properties only to have someone that doesn't even know what O3 is tell you there is no problem. I feel so bad for scientists sometimes. I'm really glad they were able to get people on board for this one.

[@mungaloyd1]

Scientists made the chemicals that destroyed it

[@samo917]

I'd disagree to some extent. I'd contend society at large is the real hero. The scientists had the opportunity as society granted the the appropriate opportunities, and incentives for them to do it. Scientists still get credit, as they are part of society.

[@PhillipCondreay]

I really wish media companies would stop including nuclear cooling tower clips in their videos about climate change. That is steam. Steam is not a greenhouse gas.

[@aussietaipan8700]

My father in the 1960's and early 1970's was a scientist at Australia's CSIRO and he was tasked to measure the ozone layer. The ozone issues were first raised back then and papers with proof showing the ozone depletion and the cause being CFC's. No one back then wanted to listen so the depletion went on and a hole developed. Only then, people started to listen and take note.

[@paula889]

Yup. Itʻs a familiar and predictable story. Only once climate change has caused damages that are horrific and irreversible will the holdouts stop obstructing and allow changes to be enacted.

[@CrazedComposure]

Humans are REALLY bad at acting urgently to prevent a problem. We are amazing, however, in coming together to make solutions to problems AFTER they start.

[@IrKeNoVa]

It wasn't an Australian, his name was Alfredo Molina, Mexican Nobel prize winner, he discovered the link between CFC's and the ozone layer depletion.

[@aussietaipan8700]

@@IrKeNoVa My father went to Macquarie Island and Antarctica in the late 60's and early 70's to measure the ozone layer and logged the depletion. As I stated the research papers were provided but were rejected as no one hear wanted to listen. It is good that Molina was also working in this too.

[@IrKeNoVa]

@@aussietaipan8700 I was educated in part by Molina, he never mentioned your father. He did talked about his fellow Nobel laureates. So sorry your father didn't get the recognition, but history has been written.

[@linkndark]

If the hole in the ozone layer would have appeared today, I assume that around 30% of people would scream that a ban on CFC would infringe on their freedom rights. Nowadays, everything needs to be political… thank you, social media!

[@vitaminluke5597]

Nah, there were lots of loud climate deniers before Facebook, though social media does probable make disinfo spread faster. It's really about how much the opposition is able to spend buying out the media to trick those types of people. There were forces that didn't want to stop producing CFCs, but they weren't even close to being comparable to the power of the petroleum industry, past and present. No country then relied on CFCs for their economies to the same degree that they do for fossil fuels now, and an aerosol manufacturer doesn't come close to an oil company in terms of how they can bully politicians into doing whatever they want and buying media outlets to trick a critical mass of voters. Still, with this information and a successful roadmap based on CFC phaseout, the climate crisis could be our next success (albeit only partially; some damage is already irreversible for the next few centuries).

[@spindoctor6385]

Another 30% would be screaming that the hole disproportionately affects black and trans people. So everyone is racist and transphobic. They do not care about the issue, they just want to yell and feel morally superior.

[@QarthCEO]

Climate activists have taken the climate movement today and made it even more political by entwined it with social justice. The Green New Deal is primarily about social justice issues and very little about actually stemming the tide of climate change. There would be more movement on the climate issue if it weren't being hijacked by the radical left, but not even liberals have the courage to stand up to them. Yall have allowed the radicals to take over.

[@wallywallendo]

@@QarthCEO I mean your obviously talking from an America centric view because there are lots of different green party’s in Europe and most party’s have plans for climate change. And in America Democrats aren’t radicals, I mean maybe a few are democratic socialists but that’s the farthest left you’ll get.

[@QarthCEO]

@@wallywallendo Even Bill Maher is saying the Woke Left is taking over the party and needs to be stopped. Virginia was a wake up call. Hopefully the Dems start listening.

[@Thejebe]

I think the most important factor was that it threatened everyone immediately, from poor to rich, from all around the globe. Climate change is not as equal to everyone, and there are too many who can afford to avoid resolving it.

[@kotor1357]

Temporarily* The hardest and the first hit will be the poor and vunerable. But eventually everyone will be affected by it.... Your point is good one, but isn't the only reason (or even that big of a contributer) why people aren't taking the action we need to. (That's my opinion, and I don't have the numbers to back it up...tho)

[@f-86zoomer37]

That's because scientists were able to reproduce the claim that CFCs destroyed ozone, beyond a reasonable doubt. That's real science, not computer models and far off projections. There was legit universal agreement on that subject. It's simple chemistry. Now with regards to global warming you're seeing such false claims about how warming caused more severe hurricanes and wildfires. It just isn't supported by empirical data at all. It's not the same situation as the CFC thing.

[@jasonrichard7560]

Reducing methane compared to carbon dioxide is remarkable different, the chlorofluorocarbons which were invented for DDT or bug spray in Vietnam. Malaria and such eaven though we knew Methylene blue was an antidote... HFC or R134a is larger corporations finding a way to have exp. Date (sorry for spelling, every spelling wrong according to my "autospell" )

[@thewwmm25]

@@f-86zoomer37 eehh the number of strong hurricanes and storms has increased, coincidence?

[@Soken50]

@@f-86zoomer37 There were models and projections, how do you think they predicted the end of the ozone layer in 2050 otherwise ? There are oodles of data supporting our climate change models and predictions, some models are decades old and match pretty well with what we observe today and the more data we collect the more precise our models and predictions are. It takes someone very determined to deny the evidence to say we don't observe global warming, the sheer amount of research papers on climate change showing evidence of global warming versus not is dizzying.

[@arianasingawinata3001]

Human are so hypocritical, we’re trying to reduce plastic usage in household level, yet the real problem is on the industry itself. Imagine making a computer with each parts being shipped around the world, and every little parts of it comes with plastic packaging. If you want to stop climate change, you have to stop the industrialization of everything. But with current population, it’s impossible, since the demand for daily need wouldn’t meet without the acceleration of industry. So there you go; food, fashion, skin care products, tech products, transportation, appliances, etc. Industrial Technology is always somewhat contradictive, something that once were called revolutionary, could turn into a disaster next. When plastic were founded, everyone was rejoicing due to how cheap it was to produce, how light and durable it was, how convenient it is to use, and how it can be an alternative to packaging. Moreover plastic is made from polymer, so it has a tight bond with the Oil and Gas companies. So ofc…

[@tengkualiff]

Its great to see that what we are doing actually makes a change. All it takes is for governments, corporations and people to actually make the change.

[@hanskostka6788]

.. what we are doing actually makes a change. .. YES it makes climate change !

[@BS-vx8dg]

"All it takes is for governments, corporations and people to actually make the change." Yes, all it takes is to make a wish . . . if only people would wish for the same thing. Unfortunately, making that wish will reduce our standard of living to levels not seen in over a century. Are you prepared to do that?

[@cghbv1585]

millions are already dying in floods and hurricanes worsened by climate change, wouldn't it be enough to convince them?

[@mardiffv.8775]

@@cghbv1585 China, India, Russia, entire Africa and Colombia are not convinced about climate change. They do not take any measures.

[@ROBLOXGamingDavid]

It is a very good thing, without these people in the late 1980's, then if I am born after that point, I would get sunburned very easily. However, there will always be some group of people who will oppose their changes to fight against climate change, as they cared about the economy over the environment....

[@marireee2407]

That was taken care of literally more than 20 years ago. Humanity as a whole should be smarter than ever with anything concerning our planet. It's just so unfortunate to see so many people choosing to be ignorant about the recent situation in the environment while big corporations aren't being held accountable for the damage they're doing just so they can cut costs.

[@actually5004]

Funny how you spell China & India "big corporations".

[@chatteyj]

I don't think tenuous and undefined threats of climate change and their failed predictions really compare to an actual hole in the ozone layer.

[@leftythat5833]

@@actually5004 says the one who thinks china and india are trying to cut costs

[@marireee2407]

@@chatteyj You don't consider places on earth reaching 120 degrees Fahrenheit where it isn't supposed as serious as the ozone layer? There are people that have to deal with those temperatures yet it's only 10 degrees to the 130 used to hold hot food so bacteria wouldn't grow. A simple search would show that multiple countries in the middle east and northern Africa have reached these fatal temperatures and would continue to worsen if left alone. They're also facing reduced rainfall due to the effects of climate change. Something we've predicted, known, and now seeing.

[@dagnisnierlins188]

@@marireee2407 do you know anything about geoengineering?

[@snuggles03]

That was one of the most positive and heartwarming videos ever put up onto KZbin. It just goes to show that we can make a change as a species, if we put our minds to it we can do it

[@boredmusic4302]

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[@C-64]

“We”

[@XiELEd4377]

Wait isn't this just the iron cross

[@dieterrosswag933]

How old are you.

[@talkincircles6288]

Why ? The iron cross lol

[@jamesmatheson5115]

In Western Australia, you use to be able to go out in the sun for hours without burning, now you are lucking if you can go out for 15 - 30 minutes without burning, its now Spring and even days of 23C feel like the sunlight is burning, we get to 40+C in Summer time.

[@CryptoKevin]

Sounds like anecdotal evidence to me.

[@philiphughes7347]

Ssshhh you will get the cult of climate change deniers on you.

[@NotFurious]

“The 80s was all about big hair, MTV, the human race saving itself from destruction, and dancing”

[@مريمداودي-ي4ص]

I heard that When avg. Global temps reach 47 Celsius it would turn earth into venus

[@Edithmedjdoub]

@@مريمداودي-ي4ص Yes if we reach 47 degrees co2 would be so much in the air temperture would reach Venus temperatures in a decade

[@Z-Diode]

The 80s was all about shallowness and vanities.

[@مريمداودي-ي4ص]

@@Edithmedjdoub I guess that would be possible at ranges like 30,000 ppm CO² which is impossible

[@مريمداودي-ي4ص]

@@Edithmedjdoub as of now the CO² level is 400 which is same as levels in Cretaceous period it was 200 pre industrial and likely 150 before the advent of farming

[@joelsmith3473]

6:22 - Key lesson right here. DuPont did not stop until the governments of the entire world told them to, and pushed denialism until the very end.

[@GiriGagan]

Actually the truth may be murkier than that. I usually follow the money in such cases to see what it leads to. "Freon" a Dupont refrigerant was declared the evil CFC and banned. The patent on Freon had run out a while back and was not profitable for Dupont anymore. It was being made super cheaply in China. The new "CFC free" refrigerant R-134a was issued a fresh patent, surprise surprise! Dupont owns this. Please can someone help me figure out if I am wrong...

[@pluspiping]

Can you imagine how much more awful it would've been if most of DuPont's profits came from CFCs, if entire countries based their economies on CFC production, etc... Oh wait. Maybe we can imagine. Sigh.

[@noobchannel8463]

Nice pfp so illusional

[@MrdotKstar]

@@GiriGagan Got any sources on this? If this is true it goes to show that the rich and large companies will continue to get richer and larger, yet the personal aspects of these matters still put blame on the consumers. Got to follow the money.

[@skaruts]

@@MrdotKstar if governments appealed to the general public's understanding and requested people to not buy harmful products, that might yield the same results. If DuPont refused to switch, consumers would buy from competitors who did, forcing DuPont to either yield or end up dying out. Alas, government rarely appeals to people's understanding, much more often it just imposes things. And with that, it helps the bad players stay the market, nicely alive and kicking with no lessons learned.

[@gogetablue7905]

"Humanity's greatest ally and adversary is humanity itself." - Random Guy

[@alextronic4503]

that was from sun tzu - art of climate

[@Nixthyo]

The world didn’t come together to prevent a catastrophe. They got together to save their profits.

[@stoobeedoo]

The Ozone Layer problem was solved so quickly because there were easy practical methods in which to do so. Stop using CFCs, start using HCs (hydrocarbons) in aerosol and change the compound of refridgerant. I grew up with this and learned about it at school. Climate Change/Global Warming isn't so easy to change as this. It needs a change of energy infrastructure of an unprecedented scale, that would initially cost trillions of dollars. Despite that renewable energy does offer a complete return of investment, that return is very slow, and governments simply do not want to spend that money when coal, gas and oil are still an available and cheap resource. There's no conspiracy, there's no made up thing on fear keeping us in control. If you believe that you're as blind as those who create the problem. It's about money, guys. That's all it is. Money.

[@rachelandrews1726]

You make a good argument

[@knighthawk882]

Yes we'll said. The problem with electricity is that it had to be used on the grid as soon as it is produced, it's currently not possible to store large amounts of it. Therefore, let's say it's a 100 degree day, everyone's AC is on full blast, and everyone plugs in their electric car at the same time. You can't just turn on more wind or sun but with coal and natural gas you literally press a button and can create enough electricity to meet the demand spike and prevent the entire grid from blowing and causing huge blackouts. Most people do not understand this side of the problem.

[@_averageenjoyer_]

@@knighthawk882 nuclear energy exists too you know. Imediate, on demand, clean if handeled with competence.

[@lazyboi4824]

@@_averageenjoyer_ Nuclear energy is expensive and most developing nations would have a hard time reaping the benefits of it because education is simple and basic especially on Africa unlike Europe and America where education is developed Low education = incompetence on complex stuff + nation will fail And nuclear energy is hard to secure because uranium has a lot of radiation meaning a nation will have to increase national forces on troubled areas and militarize the surrounding areas near the nuclear power plant

[@pramitpratimdas8198]

Money is a made up thing keeping us in control lol

[@iamrightyouarewrong4378]

Glad to hear that an universial contract is possible and that we can work together as one team but we always wait till the problem affects us directly ... thats too late

[@filu7043]

What do you mean "too late" we've done it

[@boplax123]

That's human nature.

[@nikoheino3927]

@@filu7043 he means climate change, once its affects us all directly, its gonna be too late no matter how drastic action is taken, ive already accepted that we're doomed, literally.

[@caspianprice7009]

No don't think that. It can be undone, we just need to put our heads together and get too it. The second we start believing that it's impossible is when all the big corporations that started this mess win. And we can't let them have that.

[@jacobhyslop6737]

@@caspianprice7009 global warming cannot be undone .

[@enigmagrieshaber5555]

This just shows how humanity can bond together to address an issue or fight it back

[@J3diMindTrix]

Only when rich corporations are held accountable. This literally only happened because Du Pont was sued and legally ordered to stop all of their polluting, as alluded to in the video. Nowadays nothing will be done as long as megacorps can continue to perpetuate their destructive but profitable business models and governments just allow them to do that (while taking a cut, of course). Essentially the 'love of money is the root of all evil', as it says in a particular book you may know of.

[@enigmagrieshaber5555]

@@J3diMindTrix well that's true but government should make moves as well But just incase this talk turns to climate change, it's really hard to change from fossil fuel, oil, and coal based production of electricity

[@anandsharma7430]

It actually shows that when the problem is immediate and can happen to anyone, even the rich and powerful, then the rich and powerful come together to fix it. Another such problem was the Y2K bug. But if the rich and powerful see a way out for themselves, they will do everything to delay the solution if it comes in the way of profits or business as usual.

[@safetycar-onboard]

@@anandsharma7430 "Another such problem was the Y2K bug." - Yeah, except for the fact there was no such a thing. In a way great comparison to current climate alarmism.

[@anandsharma7430]

@@safetycar-onboard I'm sorry that you are either uninformed or possibly too young to understand the world at the time. Nothing happened because action was taken. Not like climate change, which deserves more alarm, but like the Ozone problem, which we actually solved. There is a whole generation of Indian immigrants to USA and Europe who became US/EU citizens working on the Y2K bug.

[@thekingofmeeps]

If this happened today, we would have gotten nowhere

[@Ionlycomentwhileimontheshitter]

Too busy on tiktok

[@thepenguin9]

Basically if the entirety of the US isn't threatened, neither is the world

[@florians9949]

By the entirety, you mean the one in power?

[@koc988]

@@florians9949 cope harder

[@seanthe100]

🤣🤣 🇺🇸

[@thepenguin9]

@@florians9949 I mean every single contiguous state in unison. Some might call these united states

[@victorino7113]

Let’s blame USA for everything right 😂🤨

[@Tsicloh]

I feel like in protecting the Ozone we weren't up against a powerful industry like the oil and fossil fuel lobby.

[@Ruzzky_Bly4t]

You can't demonize an industry that you're using every day yourself. People love to shout that the fossil fuel industry is evil and the cause of climate change, but they still drive their gasoline cars, so what would they do if fossil fuels would be banned? Walk? We need more affordable electric cars first, so we can stop extracting fossil fuels. Otherwise we will be left with tons of gasoline cars, but no fuel to make them work.

[@marcoroberts9462]

@@Ruzzky_Bly4t most americans have no choice but to drive a car, it’s a necessity in many areas. Should that prevent people for criticising the fossil fuel industry? absolutely not

[@pmc_]

@@Ruzzky_Bly4t How are people supposed to stop using cars if they live in a car-dependent town or city?

[@Ruzzky_Bly4t]

@@pmc_ They can't, because we need car-independent towns and cities, which is a huge effort.

[@Ruzzky_Bly4t]

@@marcoroberts9462 Yes it should. It's the industry that allows them to use their car, so they're part of the industry as well.

[@xwtek3505]

I remembered once when the ozone layer was taught as endangered at my elementary school

[@Jolly_Rodger]

Too bad, because it certainly looks like you are still on that level of knowledge.

[@fathfez7991]

@@Jolly_Rodger What the heck is wrong with you

[@Jolly_Rodger]

@@fathfez7991 Why is it always me? What I meant is that ozone wasn’t endangered then and it’s still not endangered now, because as long as we have Sun shining, space radiation and water vapor in the atmosphere we will always have ozone layer.

[@turbo11]

@@Jolly_Rodger CFCs can upend that equilibrium, that constant maintainence will only work when we humans Don't interfere with the ozone formation

[@fathfez7991]

@@Jolly_Rodger We get it, you're smart. But you could've said that without insulting the guy, dude.

[@TakoGod69]

Why does it feel like it's hotter today than back then?

[@Ejsmich]

Thats climate change, not the ozone layer diffrent things

[@adonitel5152]

The only sad in the video was that the world only agreed on this once, wish there were more collective agreements among nations. We should start to collaborate instead of compete.

[@rodrigosobreira4755]

There are plenty of collective agreements among nations, the montreal is only the most sucessful one. There is, for example, Kyoto Protocol (1997) - signed by 195 countries, Paris Treaty (2016) - signed by 192 countries, both adressing climate change.

[@huaiwei]

If the competition was about finding an economical and sustainable way to replace fossil fuels, and a race between countries to cut their emissions to as low as possible, then please go ahead and compete.

[@axelaguirre5014]

But people still hate the idea of a World government

[@karaloop9544]

@@axelaguirre5014 Because you don't know what kind of goverment it's going to be? Western democracy if you are lucky, but imagine a world governed like Saudi Arabia.

[@axelaguirre5014]

@@karaloop9544 it could be a World council with each president representing their countries (just as it is now) but the decisions made in the UN would have way more authority, it wouldn't be a sugestion, it would be law, and if a country refuse to follow it, it could come with económic penalties, United Nations would also have taxes to build International projects like a nuclear fisión reactor with the world budget or a space station or a project for developing poor nations and stoping migration

[@paulkurilecz4209]

the one thing that it overlooked is that replacing CFCs as aerosol propellants was relatively easy. replacing the CFC used as refrigerants was a little more difficult, but was done. The one thing that I did not like at the time was how CFCs were painted as being evil incarnate. When I talked about this in my introduction to engineering classes (particularly how decisions made with technology may have unintended consequences) is what the CFCs replaced as a refrigerant which was propane and ammonia. The initial development of CFCs did a lot for improving health and nutrition as food could be frozen with little loss in nutrients and food could be kept unspoiled for a longer period of time. This situation is much different than dealing with the GHG problem as what we are looking for is a substitute for an energy source.

[@shoam2103]

So it was constantly improved upon

[@melonlord1414]

CFCs where the test run. GHGs are the real test.

[@lld752]

No different. We have had alternative energy options since the 1970s, but stayed with the fossil fuels because we see how they led to big wealth for certain leaders, nations and individuals.

[@cjvangin]

@@lld752 the issue is the best and cleanest energy is also the one no one will fight for.

[@michaellopez-lq5fn]

You exhale carbon dioxide.. careful where the carbon fear leads

[@hederahelix4600]

1989, when this treaty was signed, was a very hopeful year. I remember feeling that the future might actually be brighter. Watching the wall come down, so many countries establishing democracies, acid rain receding and a plan for meding the ozone layer. Looking back now, the relief was all too short and the downwards trend has picked up speed ever since 2001. Shame we couldn't get our act together in the long run.

[@grieferoncamera4600]

That's just from an American POV lol

[@neithere]

@@grieferoncamera4600 no, it's not.

[@0xsergy]

@@grieferoncamera4600 she is very clearly German. American perspective? Lol.

[@grieferoncamera4600]

@@0xsergy by american i mean western

[@antoniorsoftware]

Speaking of those countries establishing democracies, just look at their population numbers in 1989 and in 2021, they lost millions of people, some lost 25% of their population in just last 30 Years. It is a disaster.

[@ranggaajibaskara1809]

Thanks for the scientist who discover the problem and find the solution that is practical. I hope the same for greenhouse gas emission too

[@victorngigi6074]

"We will get the environment that we demand" so powerful, gave me chills.

[@arononeill6991]

Timestamp

[@naru8898]

@@arononeill6991 at the end of the video.

[@Smokedouttasian]

Sounds gringy

[@shadowknightgladstay4856]

No we will get the environment we are given by the sun.

[@0anant0]

Similar to: "The govt. you elect is the govt. you deserve" -- Jefferson

[@tiffanymarie9750]

The problem is that fossil fuels are far more ingrained in our economy than CFCs ever were and the people who make money off fossil fuels have way more capital to influence governments with than CFCs ever did.

[@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS]

The industrial agriculture industry makes many times more methane and co2 than all gasoline. See Cowspiracy.

[@excalibur5118]

Thankfully, fossil fuels are becoming less profitable and renewable energy are becoming easier to produce and cheaper. Companies are realizing this and are hopefully switching to renewables.

[@jakehammel7326]

@@excalibur5118 we need fossil fuels, to create “renewable energy”. It’s just an extra step. 3rd world countries ain’t gunna profit from a useless windmill

[@lucasblackledge3878]

Which is why lobbyists should be banned from interacting with government officials!

[@dr.trousers6101]

It was funny the other day, I saw a couple of fully electric cars charging up, I thought “good on them”. Then I saw the charging station being powered by a diesel generator lol

[@ralphanderson8052]

How about a shout out to the HVAC/R technician's that have been recovering million's of ton's of CFC's, primarily r22, from old cooling equipment for the last 30+ year's. Vintage cars and refrigeration/freezer's needed CFC r12 recovered. After CFC r12 phase out in the 90's, HFC's, r134, have been used widely in car's and refrigerator's until the last 5 years or so. R134 is also present in many commercial refrigerator's/freezer's or blended with other refrigerant's for use in Hospital/research lab equipment that need to be recovered. Several year's ago lab grade propane (r290) became the replacement for r134 - with result that service technician's now deal with a different hazard of potential fire or explosion. Hurray to the HVAC/R service technician's that do the refrigerant recovery work in this earth saving effort.

[@AuJohnM]

There never was a hole, but only a thinning. It's still happening in 2023. It isn't fixed at all. It's seasonal and has a lot to do with temperatures above the Antarctic, which is colder than the Arctic.

[@hannacabajes]

Oh wow! this is a fantastic news, I always wondered why no one was talking about the ozone layer and its current state anymore. Thank you for making this video :D

[@comfortablynumb8832]

It’s because we live in a fermadent

[@rauminen4167]

@@comfortablynumb8832 "It’s because we live in a fermadent" Dental clinic in Lima?

[@comfortablynumb8832]

@@rauminen4167 firmament.

[@hannacabajes]

@@comfortablynumb8832 mmm yeah

[@comfortablynumb8832]

@@hannacabajes I have a test you can do to confirm this for yourself

[@EnricoUniverse]

It's so weird that no one is talking about the ozone layer! Why don't we talk about this success story more often to show people that it is in fact possible to make a difference in the on-going climate issues.

[@Rupen1708]

Because the new world is too small minded to see the real issues rn they care about societal acceptance over planetarium conservation

[@michaelconvery2924]

Cause it showed if the govt and corps did something the problem could be alleviated but they don’t want to have to soooo

[@fullmetalfunk]

because replacing CFCs and HFCs was/is easy and there wasn't entire foreign policies and country's economies built around their production, there wasn't all that much money in them, and those who did make money from them could easily make money from alternatives. replacing fossil fuels isn't nearly as easy and there absolutely are entire foreign policies and economies are built on them. there's far too much profit being made from fossil fuels and other greenhouse gas emitters for corporations that are involved in their production to make them want to switch to alternatives.

[@logicalfundy]

You know, one of my fears with climate change was that "scaring people into action" would result in backlash that would damage progress more than help . . . I was right. A shame we changed tactics when we went from the ozone layer to climate change. It's one thing to inform the public, quite another to do it in a way that creates division. To this day, I don't understand why we took the approach we did to climate change, now we have all sorts of conspiracy theorists and it's very difficult to push for change.

[@programaths]

The issue with CC compared to the ozone hole is that CC has been heavily politicized and instrumented. So much that obvious short term solutions leading to the best long term solutions have been battled to death through FUD. So, instead of going nuclear, we went full solar, eolian and hydro. It's just now that few countries are getting the wake up call and that fusion get proper research and nuclear waste too. Also, fear mongering campaigns were common and to this day, they have still great effects on the general population. In few decades, "nuclear" will not be a scary word anymore.

[@S_Carol]

@@programaths So true... People seem to think that "radioactive" equals "danger" while forgetting that the ground they stand on and many of the foods they eat are naturally radioactive?

[@kevinw2592]

It's because DuPont couldn't buy enough politicians to stop the change. Oil has much more money and has many times more politicians that it owns.

[@luminousfractal420]

@@programaths america and china both have plans for solar farms on the moon. its transfered back via microwave or a certain type of laser. honestly it could all go a bit command a conquer bit hopefully the lack of a need for other resources will help us advance through it. its a near perfect solution bar a dyson sphere.

[@rekwa3860]

@@S_Carol the problem with nuclear energy is the cost of mistakes. And they do happen, no matter how hard we try to keep safe, once in a while they happen and the results are catastrophic. I am from Ukraine. I work in Chornobyl exclusion zone. I see what happens when humans loose control over nuclear energy. Chornobyl is not even a unique story. Just the loudest.

[@oversmart77]

It's truly remarkable to think about the progress we've made in addressing climate change. Just a few years ago, it seemed like an insurmountable problem that would lead to the downfall of our planet. But thanks to the hard work of scientists and the media's efforts to spread awareness, we've been able to turn things around.

[@JJs_playground]

Thank you to all the scientists for sacrificing their time and effort for bringing awareness to fix the ozone hole.

[@crewrangergaming9582]

And the teenager Severn Suzuki, a non political propagandist, focusing on just the environment and the facts.

[@senseofthecommonman]

And may they all enjoy the fortunes they so selflessly made.

[@fz1000red]

I remember being scared by all the news reports hammering down each day that led to many changes in how we do things and go about living together each day. My father owned a contracting company that built custom home environment control systems. He was required to purchase an expensive machine that captured freon from air conditioning units and refrigerators as well as other devices. Hairspray was another item affected by legislation affecting our chlorofluorocarbon production

[@andoapata2216]

Funny that freon is heavier than air yet it manages to go stratospheric

[@tonyblackmon4200]

hairspray wasnt an issue , many aerosols used 111 trichloroethane as a propellant . hairspray went to pump sprayers for a while . electronic contact cleaners that couldnt be made without 111, went from 2 dollars a can to 10 overnight ... manufacturers made billions in additional profit ...

[@Galen-864]

Follow the money. Your dad was ripped off by the very people who instituted those changes.

[@persona83]

We need our daily fear dose.

[@nezurrak]

"The planet isn’t going anywhere. WE are!" - George Carlin

[@shounak724]

"ur mom" - george carlin

[@TshephangFromBotswana]

I don't like how i was thinking about this just hours ago and now this video just popped out..

[@BeTheChangeYouDesire-c7y]

it is known our phones keep track of stuff we verbally say and search to recom stuff to us it probably related to that

[@Ace2000]

We have been reading always about ozone hole and CFC's but never told about how it's almost fixed (at least where I'm from ) ! Great video 👍

[@TheCraftofPetra]

Same here!

[@justinamusyoka4986]

They might've as well been telling untruth as they did the moon landing.

[@actually5004]

They do if you apply for a certification to handle refrigerants assuming you're in some part of the developed first world.

[@justinamusyoka4986]

@Dave Gilmour Agreed.

[@charleswisconsin9196]

@@justinamusyoka4986 no. you don't agree. we landed on the moon.

[@dr.akashsatapathy2438]

I can’t put it in words the absolute joy i felt when it said that Each and every nation at UN signed the Montreal Protocol . When can we see that level of understanding and cooperation again? That world would be such a beautiful place.

[@ChristopherGoodwin79]

It is quite clear that CFC’s were not the controlling factor in Ozone Depletion. The Montreal Protocol was wrong.

[@ChristopherGoodwin79]

There was no real government action, CFCs were taken out of most products by 1988. About 98% of CFC had been eliminated years before any government action. The Montreal Protocol wasn't until 1990. The same with Acid Rain. The catalytic converter and scrubbers were out long before any government regulations. Remember BPA. A few years ago, the BPA scare went around, which effected most plastic bottles including baby bottles, etc, mothers freaked out. For the next year, every store I went to had stickers saying BPA free on the bottles that were bpa free. No government action needed. But I'm now reading articles that BPA free alternatives might actually be worse.

[@dr.akashsatapathy2438]

@@ChristopherGoodwin79 Thank you. I didn't know that.

[@DiikkeAap]

I just want to contribute to this that scientists have defined a framework of planetary boundaries, these are matters that are seriously important. Ozone depletion is one of them, and fortunately we've all done amazing work to fix this problem. Climate change is one of the other environmental problems that have. Excessive discharge of nitrogen compounds into the environment is a problem because it causes eutrophication, messing up our ecosystems. Another problem is non-circular use of phosphorus, which is vital for our DNA and if it runs out the efficiency of global food production could decrease by 50%. Biodiversity loss is also a great problem, as ecosystem degradation affects us all. I don't want to worry you, I just want to say that scientists worldwide are doing amazing work at trying to solve these problems, trust and support them. The most tiring thing is hearing people say "it's always something, now it's climate change, 10 years ago it was the hole in the ozone layer. You don't hear anything about that anymore do you?"

[@l82nite]

The hole is all natural. It changes it's size all the time.

[@Baxtexx]

Ozone is quite different from carbon (all the other environmental issues we have). Mostly because there was a profit in replacing the gas.

[@lazytv4318]

I feel like that would be one of the other "P's", profit...sadly...

[@drdewott9154]

Ah yes the 4th P. Profit. Luckily some green solutions have developed enough already to be more economical than the polluting ones. In some cases in energy production but also in others over lifetime cost though that one takes more convinving for a lot of people since they only look at the initial price tag. But of course the biggest hinderance is the big polluting mega companies, who are lobbying to spread misinformation so that their current business case isn't ruined.

[@peterisawesomeplease]

Oh there is is profit to be made off of alternatives to carbon. And the reality is for society as a whole there was a cost to getting off of cfcs. Its just that it was 2 orders of magnitude easier to get off of cfcs. Its a really good analogy. But ignoring that ozone depletion would have been more devistating than even pretty high levels of global warming and the much greater cost of climate change mitigation is itself a problem.

[@Crashed131963]

Switching form aerosol spray to pump was easier 1980 with 4.3 billion people. Today with 7.9 billion people and 10 billion in 2050 it is harder. More people use MORE it's that simple.

[@anthonyfaiell3263]

Yep lol. But I guess most of the people here can keep on thinking it's just humanity coming together and doing the right thing haha.

[@seanvanderaa7978]

Basically, when the problem causing the environmental issue isn't being backed by massive corporations with their hands in almost every political sphere, we can actually get stuff done. Have you ever heard of CFC political lobbying? Until big oil and other main contributors admit fault we're going to continue destroying our planet, and that won't happen anytime soon.

[@uNhalloWeD09]

There’s a HUGE assumption here that is in no way nearly as cut and dry as CFC’s and the ozone layer. Nobody lost sleep over their hairspray no longer containing CFC’s, a relatively easy thing to replace. But OIL. Oil is used in EVERYTHING we use (including YOU, maestro).

[@seanvanderaa7978]

​@@uNhalloWeD09 This is largely the reason WHY we need to start making changes rapidly, we are totally reliant on oil and as such, are worsening the situation every day that we don't try to make changes. If oil and other massive corporations didn't have their hands in the business of world politics, politicians would inherently be more inclined to listen to the cries from scientists to enact change. Companies are some of the largest contributors to fixing the climate crisis, and they could easily do things that would limit their carbon footprint but they don't because they have no pressure to by the government and doing so would hurt their profits, the only thing they aren't willing to sacrifice. The climate crisis isn’t something we can continue to just watch. We should be lessening our impact as drastically as possible right now, but because it hurts the pockets of the rich to do so, we don’t.

[@brunonkowalski]

​@@seanvanderaa7978 OMG the idea that people believe that man made climate change nonsense is so funny :)

[@GodittoC]

69 likes, make a wish!

[@seantaggart7382]

@@uNhalloWeD09 we know We just need a way to stop it

[@elsongs]

As soon as '80s hairstyles went out of fashion, the Ozone Layer started to heal itself.

[@snowfoxxie]

Hahaha

[@sravanik35]

😂

[@rushoize1158]

😂😂😂😂

[@yosquidd242]

Do you mean to tell me that big, stiff hair nearly wiped out the species?

[@CesarCordova]

Correct

[@EverybodyLovesMoe]

That wonderful graph showing the ozone layer getting better on average certainly doesn't reflect the uv values that continuously increase every year. Why not show a few graphs of the UV levels on average, as that is what is really important. I'm surprised the graph shows levelling off and improvement of the ozone layer in such a short time given the fact that chlorine is there for 50 to 150 years.

[@EverybodyLovesMoe]

We are just going to throw in the climate change bit, you know because the coasts are all under water, all the storms and weather events are far worse, and the polar ice caps are gone, you know because its an emergency.

[@LIamaLlama554]

“Why you don’t hear about the ozone layer anymore: or How Your Sister’s Hairspray in the 80s Almost Killed Us All”

[@arvind.surwase]

@vliduu zeeb industrial revolution?

[@zorbalight3933]

@vliduu zeeb Because for a billion years we were not burning coal and oil, dropping nuclear bombs and having 3 mile island incidents plus for a billion years we had trouble even chopping wood.

[@Founderschannel123]

@vliduu zeeb probably of all of human history its been like that ever since we first invented fire.

[@greganderson7216]

The ozone threat was discredited just a few years later by the same organizations who discovered it. It’s funny why that was left out of this video…

[@notyour_honeybun]

@@greganderson7216 Really? Can you list some links about that I'd like to read about it?

[@RumbleTumblegumble]

I have never been more invested in a educational video

[@TheBetterGame]

I've got one of those uncles who thinks that the ozone crisis was a myth, like y2k. Yep, he even thinks Y2K was a myth. No, he's not a chemist. No, he's not a computer scientist or engineer. But he's certain he knows more than all of them.

[@ItsOttis]

Y2k was a myth what are you talking about

[@zuckthebetacuck2789]

What Ozone crisis are you talking about ?

[@garethhanby]

@@ItsOttis If we solve a problem before it happens there will always be those that claim it never existed.

[@matthewronsson]

@@garethhanby If a problem is solved before it happens, then it is fair to say the problem never existed by definition.

[@matthewronsson]

TBG, are you a scientist or engineer to be certain that these others whose words you accept isn't at face value, but substantiated by yourself? Or does this standard only apply to your Uncle?

[@kuroshiro3033]

Wow, this just got recommended to me now. It's been 2 years ago, I wonder how the ozone layer is now