Why You HAVE To Go to Church! W/ Redeemed Zoomer

[@tonilynn3179]

Hello gentlemen, I am a 58 year old GenX, nearly boomer female. I grew up Roman Catholic, got caught up in the residual aftermath of the Jesus movement in my early 20s without knowing that's where I was and what I was experiencing in my place in history. As a result, I spent about 25-ish years in Evangelical non-denominational churches that spanned everything from the charismatic shepherding movement to the neo-reformed movement. It was my generation that grew up in many traditional mainlines, left for Evangelicalism, raised our kids in Evangelicalism...and now our kids are leaving that environment. But really, it gives me hope to see many of them seeking out the 7 sisters, and even Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy. I left my Evangelicalism about 10 years ago, and over that time, I've been going through a slow and careful deconstruction process and reconstruction process. It's been so gradual it's hard to say where it started. There were a number of inciting incidences that started to lead me away from Evangelicalism. Now, I am in an Episcopal Church that is in a conservative diocese, and I have certain Roman Catholic appreciations. But not enough to go Roman Catholic. I appreciate both of you gentlemen and listen to each of you when I can. It gives me hope for this young generation.

[@samuelclayton08]

That's really cool to hear your background. I'm a millenni baby (I don't think anyone says that, certainly not me) so I'm a bit closer in age to these Zoomers, but I am also impressed and very surprised that there seems to be a healthy minority of Zoomers who are seeking religion and not just accepting vapid consumerism or cultivating a "vaguely spiritual" veneer, as was the prevailing choices of my gen

[@tonilynn3179]

​@samuelclayton08 I think it's great, and so needed.

[@phineasgodbold6932]

Good show, Gentlemen. We need more content like this. I'll be sharing this widely. God bless.

[@JoWilliams-ud4eu]

I want to start reading Wilhelmius Van Duyper.

[@justokproductions222]

A point on conservatism winning; the 100 years after napoleon’s defeat were literally a staunch victory for ‘conservatism’ in mainland Europe due to Metternich. It can very much win

[@alonsoperez-lona8193]

This notion of how conservatism never wins stems from a misunderstanding of the role of conservatism. Conservatism does not "win" when stuff returns to the previous status quo as if nothing happened. Rather, it wins when things stabilize into some widespread agreed notion of common sense. The role of conservatism is not to turn back the clock but rather to hold boundaries beyond which progressivism should not wander.

[@jacobjuly6010]

Good stuff. Respect you both. God bless.

[@Bradford.C.Wallsbury]

Good stream Joe and RZ. Been in low church setting through my mother's church and it just does not feel worshipful. But in that context I feel like not participating as heartfully as i can would be disrespectful to the community and presbyters there. I am thinking of moving back into the Church of Ireland, who are currently quite safe from liberalism besides women priests, but it is the only anglican church on the island. God bless!

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

Go back to church of Ireland as soon as possible

[@lukebentze4948]

Only a little bit through- thanks for the awesome conversation. I really liked your point Joe about how people think they believe something because of coming to a conclusion- while really it’s their life that affects this. I believed very non-denominational Baptist basic Calvinistic doctrine without question after my salvation until this year- was it because I finally was smart enough and really thought hard? No, it was because I traveled to 80 different Baptist, fundamentalist, evangelical, and nondenominational churches in the span of 9 months because of work. So my question is how to find the truth when the walls we build up are torn down? My example would never have happened 100 years ago- for better or worse I would have probably remained a Baptist my whole life. So how does ANY Christian deal (actively or passively) with our own self made “truths” in following Jesus together?

[@lukebentze4948]

For example: once in questioning Sola Scriptura (foolishly) I said to a pastor that due to environment and circumstances if divorced from Church history a Christian reading the Bible could come to very different conclusions on interpretation. One in a more materialistic and humanistic society like ours would probably tend to view the Eucharist or Baptism as merely symbolic- since the supernatural is not part of his environment. However, someone living in a polytheistic pagan society or a pantheistic one might view these as being very effectual- since the supernatural is part of every single day anyway. It seems his response was a long the lines of that being not true, Scripture is clear enough. What do you think? I believe Scripture is clear and we are stupid- but I think my question is still valid.

[@Templar316]

Joe, where do you attend church?

[@JoWilliams-ud4eu]

England

[@catfinity8799]

I'd probably join the Episcopal Church for the Reconquista, but the ones by me all have female priests and/or rainbow flags. I'm 18 and I grew up in a nondenom; I'm not going to one of those. The ACNA Church I'm attending seems to do the liturgy well enough, though they don't have their building right now, and they do the 2019 Renewed Ancient Liturgy. I also attend Calvin University, and I really don't see any sort of Reconquista of the CRC. Calvin is moderate leaning liberal rather than moderate/conservative, and they have a female pastor. And when I looked at nearby CRC churches before deciding on Anglicanism, I noticed that there were a lot of them that didn't seem particularly conservative.

[@TheDallasDwayne]

Good luck to you!

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

Don’t be a retreatist. It’s that way cuz of retreatists

[@BenjaminAnderson21]

There is a solid traditionalist CRC Dutch Reformed church in Grand Rapids. I think it's on the Reconquista map. That said, you shouldn't join a Continental church for the Reconquista if you do not believe in its doctrine. The ACNA sounds like a good home for you right now.

[@thejoshuaproject3809]

Focus on the Daily office, studying the scriptures, and going to liturgy. Don't worry about the reconquista.

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

@@thejoshuaproject3809 cringe

[@catfinity8799]

Many Church Fathers anathematized people for saying that Saturday should be observed as a day of rest. I really don't think that we should support that position. As far as I know, no Church Father supported it.

[@SaltyCalvinist]

Redeemed zoomer, you put so much emphasis on the Scots Confession and how it emphasizes the real presence in the Lord's Supper, but you totally ignore that in the very same confession it says that the sacraments cease to be sacraments if they are not administered by an ordained minister, and it uses the example of the Catholic Church allowing women to administer baptism as an example of an invalid sacrament. You're literally defending the very situation that John Knox condemned.

[@clintwilliams6345]

Joel Beeke’s Reformed systematic is definitely worth it. He is actually reformed. He holds to the 3 forms of unity. So, he makes redeemed Zoomer look unreformed 😂 Also, it is really simple in his explanations, but goes so deep. I still really like you Richard.

[@Casey-cs5pu]

Sooooo….How about those female bishops? 😉

[@briannalipham4402]

The ACNA doesn’t have female bishops. That’s why they and GAFCON split from the woke Church of England.

[@dustydesertdisciple6290]

Man this just not the Spirit of what Christ taught about Faith and the Holy Spirit. Your personal living relationship with Christ is so much more important

[@Gwoog55]

How can you foster your relationship with Christ? going to church? Serving others? Participating in the church life IS an integral part of your personal faith with Christ.

[@LadderOfDescent]

Ahh the classic Protestant theosis larp: pontificate for hours on end with a Bow tie

[@thejoshuaproject3809]

Guys just focus on the Scriptures, prayer, your confessions, and your traditional liturgy. Everything else is just a distraction.