Why you need this power meter! Giant Power Pro dual-sided power meter in-depth explainer

[@virgopaul1]

The giant Power meter I got on my bike has been working fantastic for this last year and I got a 2021 TCR pro

[@francescodiprisco6200]

As I think any power meter it’s really useful item for training, but the Giant Power Pro is fully integrated into the crankset and so “anonymous” , probably one of the best and cheaper enough.

[@kidShibuya]

Was going to give you crap till I realised the date... Now this video makes sense. Training... lol

[@DeanPattrick]

I’ve got this on my Propel Advanced Disc Pro 1, been really happy with the function and data generated.

[@James_Fisher]

Top video, David! Managed to get my hands on the Giant TCR Advanced Pro so looking forward to using the power meter

[@davidarthur]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@damo5219]

David, your reviews are solid facts. Thanks for the effort you clearly put into each video 👍

[@saracen888]

Been using this the last 9 months. Great bit of kit

[@HARRIS2065]

Thanks for the video. I have the first version of the GIANT Power Pro on my 2019 Defy Advance Pro. Going strong. Different charging connection and cable but other than that all the same. Am beginning to see the battery needing recharging less than 100 hours. App is working the same as your review with the newer version. Thanks again.

[@CycoWarriorx]

The fact you’ve been using their PW for so long, with no downsides is impressive and that price point is equally impressive (but not available in the US?)... great review! 🍻

[@chisko5280]

Hi David from Spain! I have been riding with this potentiometer since January 2020, many hours, and the potentiometer is fantastic, great. I am very happy! But, now, the battery only provide me 3-4hours functioning, that means, the internal litium battery life is finishing. Do you know how can be such batteries replaced?, can be done easy? may you show it? Thanks in advance My impression is that it can not do it without sending the cranks to the supplier, am I wrong?

[@tomekwolny5606]

Thanks again, I love your videos David. Can you confirm you are not sponsored by Giant or a Giant Retailer?

[@veegtec]

is £799 really one of the cheapest. Doesn't seem far off the Quarq ones? Plus there are cheaper pedal ones from Assioma no?

[@jackbeveridge9974]

For double sided yes but you can get a 1 sided for like £250

[@scottjones9362]

I just got a bike with this power meter on. Great video to catch up on its functions with👍

[@messi9991]

Quick google suggests it costs EUR 750 while Assioma Duo are EUR 700 (I actually got mine cheaper than that). And much easier to swap between bikes.

[@osh241]

Considering the cost of a Ultegra crankest it's not badly priced.. would I consider one nope.. wasted on me.. The older I've got (38, I know so old 😂) the less I care about tech on rides. Seem to enjoy the peace of the open road/trails with just the noise of my chain and nature in harmony only interrupted by my heavy panting and cursing up hills..

[@davidarthur]

You call 38 old? Pah!

[@James-zu1ij]

Oh fuck, I'm 60 and still trying to squeeze every last watt. Are you eating the right food???

[@osh241]

I don't think people got my sarcasm 🤣

[@galenkehler]

Lol best April Fool prank video yet 🤣

[@arnesabbe4206]

Have this powermeter on my 21 TCR, and had a lot of troubles. Cannot calibrate the PM unless the PM is fully charged, so have to charge after every ride. After Putting this problem on a Giant Forum, l learned that a lot of people have similar issues

[@davidarthur]

Did you contact Giant about this?

[@arnesabbe4206]

@@davidarthur Send them a message, they're saying i should contact my LBS which is quite hard atm because of lockdown

[@glennoc8585]

Just £800!! I'm not a poor man but my tacx Smart trainer cost less with a power metre onboard. Should be no more £350

[@stefanvederuscalon67132]

Just get a Favero Assioma UNO for £350. It's perfect

[@glennoc8585]

@@stefanvederuscalon67132 Not a fan of the cleats

[@stefanvederuscalon67132]

​@@glennoc8585 I see, well you can convert them to MTB cleats and I believe even flat pedals. just search on KZbin.

[@glennoc8585]

@@stefanvederuscalon67132 I'm a Shimano SPD and Time man. Shimano are rumoured to be bringing out a power pedal hopefully before long.

[@stefanvederuscalon67132]

@@glennoc8585 I see, but before you buy check this out kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5Okd3yegMabpK8 Worked for me :)

[@mplen1989]

I’m also having big trouble with this PM on my 2021 TCR advanced pro rim bike. Firm ware and calibration work with Ride Link but the the calibration is set to 0 torque as there’s no spin down required to calibrate like wahoo does with the kickr.. I find it odd you don’t need to pedal to calibrate the power pro. When I then sync it to my wahoo bolt the watts are all over the place. I even tried recalibrating it on the bolt as once it’s paired you can recalibrate it there. Giant needs to do a bit better with providing tutorials on the proper way to calibrate and sync with supportive devices. Love my TCR though.

[@DavidParkinson]

Having nothing but trouble with this PM - came on my Pro 1 Disc . Consistently under reading, and not by a few watts, but by about half the watts I would expect. No amount of firmware updates (from the absolutely garbage app) and calibration changes things. I’m riding between 17 and 18mph and average watts never goes over 60 with zero readings for most of the ride unless you really get up on the cranks. It’s a massive shame because it is why I chose this bike over a slightly cheaper Defy. So far emails to RM Cycles and Giant getting nowhere. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@hinson0613]

Hi David, I have the same issue with my Pro 0 Disc and i'm on my second power meter. You'll need to get it changed at Giant. I had my first PM replaced after 1 week, now my second PM after 3 months I'll need it replaced again. Giant does have 2 year warranty but it sucks this happens often.

[@kf168]

same problem as mine. did you sort it out?

[@kf168]

@@hinson0613 hi man how did you claim the warranty?

[@DavidParkinson]

@@kf168 not sorted yet. For warranty just ring any giant dealer and they will sort.

[@DavidParkinson]

@@hinson0613 cheers. I do need to bother to do this. All a bit pants.

[@jorgecuenca9175]

Using it since early Dec. FW seems stuck in 2.4.1 forever. No newer versions?

[@elmerrichardson6413]

David, at todays exchange rate, in the states it's $1,100! Not exactly affordable here.

[@louis_sharp]

Get the Garmin Vector 3 Pedals. Still current. Reasonable inexpensive. Loads of data. Easy to fit.

[@charlesgraham-dixon2637]

Hi Dave- Currently riding the TCR Advanced Pro 0 Disc (amazing bike) built up from a framset with my own single sided Shimano 105 4iiii power meter mounted onto my Ultegra chainset. Reckon it's worth upgrading to this unit?

[@davidarthur]

That depends really, the biggest benefit of dual-sided is the pedal analytics data so it depends if that's of interest to you over the power data you currently get?

[@charlesgraham-dixon2637]

@@davidarthur I think for me consistent power data is the most important thing. I read a lot saying you need dual-sided but equally also see a lot that says unless you're racing at a high level single is sided is fine for most people. I know I have a left/right imbalance so would be good to know about it, so that's something that would interest me but I wonder if it's worth the extra outlay...

[@ayowser01]

@@charlesgraham-dixon2637 rent a bike with dual-sided power, pull the data from a day's ride, then decide from there. That way you aren't jumping into the deep end of $1100 for nothing. I also have a single-sided PM and am curious about pedal dynamics, just not at the prices it would cost to find out 😄

[@bjornbaron5940]

I like Favero Assioma

[@HybrisParExcellence]

Is it possible to fit the power meter sensors to a new crankset once the chainrings need replacement?

[@CallumDN]

Yes as the strain gauge is on the crank arm so all you need to do is undo the torx bolts on the underside and replace with new chainring

[@HybrisParExcellence]

@@CallumDN thanks for the answer. That was the information I was looking for! :)

[@Imperialogan]

Instead of using the RideLink app, are you facing any issue connecting the power pro to computer?

[@johnguillaume5919]

How about an XT/XTR crankset…MTB compatible?

[@jerzykryszczynski4892]

Super 🚲 GIANT TCR ULTEGRA #1 🌞🚲🇵🇱

[@Vinch22]

Hi David, where can I buy the power meter usb charger for TCR adv pro 1 and what's the part number pls. ? I bought the bike from Ruthland cycling but failed to provide some parts including the charger. I am still trying to ask them to send it to me.

[@Tim9666]

Can anybody tell me how far (how many mm) the left side power pod stands out of the crankarm? I want to check the clearance on my bike before getting one...

[@adrianwicks7693]

Hi David, I’ve had nothing but trouble with my power meter! It keeps dropping out connection, and won’t connect to my garmin 1030. Waiting for Giant to sort it out. This is my 3rd meter on the bike! Defy advanced pro 0.

[@hinson0613]

I have the same issue. I've changed my power meter once and now i have to get it changed again since it doesn't read power correctly. 1st power meter doubled my actual power, now on my second power after 3 months, my power is in half. Problem seems to be it L/R balances where it's like 70/30 or even 90/10 favoring 1 foot over the other..

[@kf168]

hi same problem here. did you sort it out?

[@simonf2220]

Did you manage to resolve this issue in the end?

[@adescyclechannel3228]

@@simonf2220new meter fitted from Giant 👍

[@RAG0407]

I assume the price includes the cranks.

[@HOPEofSOAP]

Hi David, Great info video. What is the weight difference on the Giant Power Pro meter compared to the regular Ultegra crankset? BR. Micha

[@James-zu1ij]

I got a 4iiii dual-sided dura ace PM and it weighs the same as the outgoing ultegra without PM. It is minimal. I guess the 4iiii could possibly be very similar in weight

[@rsam346]

GP Lamas review says it's 16 grams per side, so 32g all up

[@biena1763]

Can this be used on other bike brands? :)

[@kf168]

I have the same powerpro from my tcr2021 but it doesnt work at all. the signal dropped very often, could not get proper power reading. contacted Giant but so far no real solution from them. totally dissapointed!

[@ayowser01]

What's the bike stand and where can I get one?

[@hayabusa27]

Next Video: Why you need to blow your entire savings on bicycles

[@RipperSK1]

I cannot pair it with my iphone or garmin edge

[@GFClocked]

Man, i got bamboozled hard here

[@chrisvanbuggenum871]

Shame no dura ace as well.

[@ExciterXX]

800 pounds is afordable? Cmon

[@davidarthur]

Do you remember how expensive dual sided power meters used to be? Probably not then. I’m not saying it’s cheap, but it is affordable compared to all other power meters

[@DeanPattrick]

Does this capture speed and cadence..??

[@davidarthur]

Cadence yes but not speed, that’s done via GPS on the app or your preferred computer

[@DeanPattrick]

@@davidarthur cheers David, ok I will pair it with a Garmin speed sensor.

[@jpj4449]

Seriously Dave? I got a R9100 Dura Ace 4iiii precision pro dual sided power meter for £827. I know which I would prefer, plus it looks the dogs. Only downside is it takes CR2032 batteries.

[@KyriaxWitch]

just buy an two pairs of LR2032 (li-ion rechargeable) problem solved.

[@seanmccuen6970]

to be honest, I don't want this silliness on my bike. can this system be entirely removed from the crankset?

[@jasonreynolds1715]

Paid promo - no discussion of LR power balance discrepancies of current Shimano crank designs that have been well documented elsewhere folks.

[@bobmervatt532]

It’s April Fools Day...

[@davidarthur]

That’s because I experienced no LR issues with these cranks which leads me to suspect it must be isolated cases rather than a problem on every crankset. This is my honest assessment of long-term testing regardless of the paid promotion aspect

[@dee-vee]

Go watch GPLama’s review of this PM (2020 version). If it’s good enough for him, why are you getting your panties in a bunch? Not everyone is aware of the small underreported power on the R-side anyway. And as GPLama’s review attests, it’s no big deal for most use cases.

[@jasonreynolds1715]

@@dee-vee the discussion has now been had - here in the comments, not the video. We’ve addressed it in only 3 short comments. Job done. That’s all I was flagging - so that people who are interested can be informed.

[@niceracleous9999]

What planet are you on when you say £800 is cheap for power meter!!

[@davidarthur]

When you consider they used to cost close to £3000

[@niceracleous9999]

@@davidarthur that was a long time ago. There have been £800 t0 £1000 for many years now. Just bought a left only vector 3 power pedal for £253 of eBay. Now that is cheap.

[@davidarthur]

Be minded that this is a dual-sided power meter. I know left only power meters are cheaper, but they're not the same thing. And comparing a second hand PM price to a retail price isn't really a fair comparison. It's like saying a cheap £250 second hand car is cheaper than a £25k brand new car

[@niceracleous9999]

@@davidarthur I agree but Favero Assioma DUO Power Meter Pedals are the gold standard in most people’s mind and are £699 at wiggle right now. And that’s for both sides, you can easily swap then from bike to bike!!!

[@davidarthur]

And many people consider crank based the gold standard when it comes to power measuring

[@BurgerTime7441]

mmmm. This video sounds like an advertisement. When I look around online (even on the comment section here) I see many people say they have a lot of problems with this powermeter.... (??) I definitely don't want to lock myself into using some crappy Giant App. ugggggh.

[@manilamartin1001]

damn!

[@cameronalexander359]

£799 costs more than my whole bike

[@michelefurlanetto9431]

Il peggiore power meter mai avuto...riparato due volte in 4 anni e ancora non funzionante (probabilmente sono sfortunato), ma non sono l'unico ad avere problemi....

[@BikeLife154]

April fools! Just buy a rim brake bike and you’ll be much faster without spending the £800

[@DrunkieCat]

You're the fool, rim brake has nothing to do with it.

[@dee-vee]

Makes no sense. It's not about going faster, it's about training.

[@BikeLife154]

@@dee-vee I know it makes no sense, neither does this commercial. What are people training for? For PRs, KOMs, or Fondos? Most cyclists don’t even race so do they really need to drop £800 on a power meter? I don’t think so!

[@BikeLife154]

@@DrunkieCat people’s bravado behind their keyboards makes me laugh!

[@dee-vee]

@@BikeLife154 Most cyclists doesn’t mean all cyclists. With your logic, power meters shouldn’t exist at all. You really make no sense.