Why You're NOT Getting Hired as a Concept Artist

[@ProkoTV]

Check out Trent’s workshop on Proko - www.proko.com/course/advanced-stylized-facility-design/overview

[@EckosamaGhostTsushima]

why are you on Trents channel? I saw your intro on this!

[@di_anso]

I was pretty sure I'm clicking on Trent's video, but then suddenly I hear Proko's intro, and my brain explodes

[@annisa3714]

Same

[@Cyborg_Lenin]

saaame

[@Huecast]

Trent is a Beast, thanks Proko for having him!

[@Hollow_555]

Massive fan of Trent, glad to see him finally on Proko!

[@tenmamut]

That 1 day to do the concept is not true, usually you get a week to complete an environmental concept. At least that's the industry standard. What all KZbinrs don't speak about is amount of research that goes into concept art, you can't do viking village without researching how a viking village looks like, and that won't take less than a day, so you can't on top of that pump out an image with call outs. If you can do something in a day cool, but there won't be much of a design in there, just simple forms, can look good on a surface level if you are good/been doing it for 20 years, and that's fine if it fits the project, but that's also a skill, matching the project. Biggest thing with concept art is that you are not making a picture, you are assisting a product.

[@edit4310]

Well said

[@riddlewrong]

Trent's videos are all like this. He's selling a product (himself) and he's trying to give you the impression that he's got something you can't get anywhere else and that you need. That's basic marketing strategy and if you look at his videos, he's employing it rather blatantly and deliberately. The art space is crowded and he's exaggerating to create a sense of urgency (and also capitalize on the inexperience of the target niche.) Click on any of his videos and look at the description. The first five lines are all links to things he's selling. His content is a business.

[@artistryartistry7239]

So you're saying that Trent is lying? Seriously? No one in the industry ever gets a day to complete certain projects? They're all lying? Or maybe your experience is different and there are different demands and timelines in different industries at different companies, and that requirements are different based on your title and experience, or how much you're getting paid? Did any of that ever occur to you, or are you satisfied with just calling the guy a liar and moving on?

[@rma_a01]

@@artistryartistry7239 not lying, jsut exeggarating. Its not bad, because it helped me to push myslef more and its better to expect worse than be unprepared.

[@Mintzoid]

@Twilight Sporkle the entire molten core raid in world of warcraft was done in a week

[@dome_node]

"Full sausage exposure" LOL!

[@calvintorgerson9686]

Looking for this kind of comment.

[@Scrappytwentyfourseven]

He's kind of a Joco-serious artist.

[@aelion7761]

Professional's works are usually not over rendered,but they look good anyway, probably cuz they have good understanding of the fundamentals.

[@hunmiliengtipi9218]

Exactly!!!!!!

[@gbsartworks4963]

Omg i thought i was on trent channel when i viewed it because of the thumbnail and the intro Proko made me "hey wasnt i on trent channel".haha. GJ Trent!

[@dean.doodles]

I came back to this video months after I first saw this. This is after I got hired at multiple studios as a concept artist. Not everything he says here is true. This whole thing is like a way to scare people into paying for his online courses. Sure you might have deadlines and timeframes that they have to finish certain tasks but it's not this "gun on your head" thing. Whichever team you're helping out at the moment will be moving at a certain speed and you will keep up with it because everyone can't proceed without each other's work. And at the end of the day studios want your best work, not your quickest work. They will make you crunch and work for hours longer sometimes. But they don't want you to waste their time with 20 different designs of one thing when you can put your thought and idea into something and create something unique. But one thing he says I can agree with is that you shouldn't slack off, when you work, do it sincerely. I just wanted to put this out there for people who might be seeing this video and feeling disheartened. Ignore this guy.

[@MRANDABB]

I work in the industrial design field, previously in products and now in exhibit & environment design for a total of 8yrs. In my spare time I work on digital illustrations and It's just now occurring to me I can mesh my two strengths together, not keep them seperate. In your opinion how easy is it to switch to this industry when I already have years of experience designing and working with art directors etc. on timeline, multi-stage progressive design development? My portfolio only consists of either 3d models, technical shaded hand sketching with callouts etc, & my personal detailed illustration (digital). I feel like this industry would be perfect as I'm already scouting a new path due to lack of interest in designing immersive experiences for the latest boxed water and the industry is sinking fast since Cvvd (for example). I guess my biggest challenge is collecting what I already have and building a new portfolio around a handful of existing pieces that gear toward this industry & creating a handful of concept art. Would you (or anyone else reading this comment) know of any good examples of what kinds of portfolios are shopped around to potential clients (freelance) or jobs (hired on)? How much process should be shown? I'm guessing the pipeline is very similar to the agency environments I'm used to in 3D cad design / product dev as far as stages. I know I have the skills for this work, but I'm not sure how to combine my two passions into one cohesive beast without creating a monster.

[@leifdux7277]

Great! These things are super helpful to differenciate information from the truth vs marketing! ※ Of course, people's industry of the art may differ, good to know as sometimes the Internet can be a collection for negativity.

[@Elle-elle-elle]

That's helpful. I had gotten the same impression from Trent's channel - that the advice is geared towards joining his courses, but you never really know. Capitalism and all that. Surely some studios are more sensible than others too.

[@Lizard1582]

What have you worked on? Looking into your socials you seem to make 3D fanart.

[@ohwnosrepeht]

​@@Lizard1582from his socials, my best guess is that he probably makes 3d models for NFT "studios", in which case, no wonder they'd be happy with him doing 1 of whatever they ask him instead of doing 20 iterations lol, because it's not really concept art at that point, it's just illustration. Also, given by his own description, he's just a junior, who the hell is he to say Trent is lying and to ignore him? What a weird loser lol

[@jeanpierrepolnareff9919]

When I saw Proko intro I realized it was trent in Prokos channel lol. Glad to see you here Trent!

[@Iris-fp9vo]

Never though I would see my 2 favorite art channels coming together

[@drippinghanamizu]

We love Trent Kaniuga

[@weaponlogic]

TRENT AND PROKO, My dudes why hasn't this happened sooner. Super amped to see Trent here on Proko.

[@JackSather]

Love Trent!!

[@harkelan]

Yeeeah Trent is hereeeeee

[@alppatuk]

Proko getting some serious talent involved!

[@tacticslc4805]

Wow, I would never had expected to see Trent here !

[@bestplanetever6048]

I'm coming from a 25+ years of 3D art/animation mostly for broadcast - really wanting to move to using Unreal to make concept artwork. I couldn't agree more with everything here, my native industry, motion design, post production, VFX - all the same laws apply.

[@JonathanBlido]

Fun to see trent on proko

[@earthdragonart9242]

Finally Trent with Proko! Such a meeting of titans!

[@nicholasblicharski835]

This could be happening at just the right time. I've been on the hunt for a good courses that focuses on this... on a budget too.

[@jamesmurphy.]

Hey it's Trent kaniuga. Looking forward to Creed's return 👍

[@spenguin983]

As soon as I saw the topic I was like “this is probably Trent” and I was right

[@SM-xy6py]

Nothing to do with him being in the thumbnail at all then? 😂

[@earthdragonart9242]

I ignored the thumbnail and I also thought was it Trent? Sound like him, then thumbnail loaded and went flying here!

[@thecheekychoof]

Trent and Proko in the same video. My day is complete 🙏

[@Wighen18]

I'm not really sure what to make of this video. I get that it's mainly supposed to be a teaser advertising the new course on the website, but... Is this really going to inspire anyone to even try and become a concept artist? It essentially boils down to a series of downsides or hardships that feel more like a patronizing way to tell the audience "it's a really really tough and demanding job in the industry" and "you're not prepared" rather than an actual peek into Trent's workflow. I'm sure the course is interesting, but I don't think anyone wants to keep being told how hard and selective a job is without being told much else about what is being shown on screen. It's especially grating to hear instructors assume the people following the course are lacking in skill. Again, I don't know how it is in the actual course. This video just had that kind of "vibe".

[@kipz]

if the person wasn't lacking in skill they'd have the job and wouldn't need the course

[@birmix]

agree

[@Mr.HotDogShirtGuy]

I’m slowly learning this little piece of advice: don’t follow anybody else’s advice. Failure is a better teacher.

[@TheAlanmf]

I thought just the same...

[@kipz]

@@An.Unsought.Thought that's not at all what I was implying..

[@adonisg7138]

The cross-over we didn't know we needed

[@AzA609]

Huge fan of Proko and Trent.

[@sumitpawaskar1207]

Trent kaniuga is beast💯💯

[@rogervekstein]

EARLY SQUAD HERE WE ARE! LOVE YOU TRENT AND PROKO!

[@breannaw7254]

:D

[@benshepherd2419]

Trent?!? Fancy seeing you here!

[@CaptainPecato]

Proko got Trent to be part of 2.0?! What's next, perspective by Kim JungGi? Stan is planning to take over the universe.

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

Wow, if it wasn't this comment, I wouldn't notice this wasn't trents channel since I follow both

[@Nodsaibot]

Ethan Van Sciver in detailed sketching!

[@FloMoonYeah]

You don't want perspective by kim jung gi, that would be the equivalent of watching the VHS from "The ring"

[@abhirutmeherishi5738]

Man of action should now make stan 10.

[@SeanClaDesigns]

So are all proko vids now just ads for courses without any actual info or ideas? I might be missing something but it just feels like I’m being told very little and just watching HSN now. Kinda sucks…

[@loganspartan9130]

Proko's more of a businessman now. Gotta farm that gold

[@Scrappytwentyfourseven]

It's his voice that makes everything amazing, Trent you are the man 💪🏻✊🏻

[@GiannisMihelakakis]

One art beast on the channel of another art beast! Next step is Proko on Trent's channel.

[@KaiVentura]

Dino crisis in the background of the video was the highlight for me

[@XacurRPG]

Cool! Trent is really great.

[@Chris-Moore501]

Who else went back to find the Trent video when they didn't hear the Mexican brass at the start?

[@JonathanBlido]

Me

[@tejasbele1456]

Wow, you have to create that kind of detailed painting within 1 day!!! That's sound insane to me

[@SarcasticData]

Ah man. I thought this was going to be an informative video but it turns out it was just an 8 min commercial.

[@Geezyart]

very insightful video and it's really helping

[@chumshalo117]

The video i needed to watch!

[@emberchord]

Not to throw any shade, but this is basically an ad, right? I mean work sis, y’all deserve it all - I’m just wondering if, you know this is it from now on?

[@morganfreedman2922]

There hasn't been a Proko tutorial on this channel in 7 months.

[@riddlewrong]

Trent's videos are all like this. He's selling a product (himself) and he's trying to give you the impression that he's got something you can't get anywhere else and that you need. That's basic marketing strategy and if you look at his videos, he's employing it rather blatantly and deliberately. The art space is crowded and he's exaggerating to create a sense of urgency (and also capitalize on the inexperience of the target niche.) Click on any of his videos and look at the description. The first five lines are all links to things he's selling. His content is a business.

[@dezlacell7610]

Oh wow! TREANT ON A PROKO VIDEO!!!! Dope

[@EpicShiba]

Sounds awesome I'll check it out!

[@erebos2717]

Now I know what I'm saving for

[@EL_Newman]

Yes! Trent!

[@fernandonunezvela]

Trent is amazing!

[@zoecentenaje6860]

I really wanted this to be my side hustle. I hope my Architecture degree could help me with those details

[@abhirutmeherishi5738]

You should make tutorials on KZbin how we can generate base structures in Blender for environment concept art.

[@zoecentenaje6860]

@@abhirutmeherishi5738 Nice, that's actually a great idea maybe soon! well I use photoshop for my renders and other 2D and 3D modeling softwares, but i'm also in love in digital art like concept arts, I see the way he details his art, its very similar to how i create mood in my scenes and all the structural elements you see in a building or setting..

[@abhirutmeherishi5738]

I only named blender coz it doesn't add extra cost for you. You most likely are using Autocad and sketchup or even 3ds max but if you make tutorials then everyone watching them won't have access to these paid tools. Besides blender saves the cost of zbrush as it had sculpting too.

[@acdesignschool2671]

Thank youuu po maraming salamat po.

[@idiocracy10]

Trent is the DUDE!

[@pachecolos_group]

Just seeing the real OG in this platform be appreciated like this, for me it's the best thing in ma day! Whhhhhaattss up ma dude! The Cowboy teaching how to to do the real deal.

[@Jahsee65]

Wow I have seem him before, He is a good artist 🧑‍🎨

[@pwnwin]

Alright, Proko, and hi, Trent.... Thanks for crushing my dreams with 1 title.

[@enniusdrusus867]

This is very insightful. Thanks!

[@renatofabian9907]

wow . that is amazing concept design. painting.. very intimidating.

[@JohansenGaston]

Wow this crossover 🤩

[@Dbzlatino27]

For what i can see this workshop its seems not be for begginer or people who actually has been drawing for a year or two, it looks really interesting and very useful , maybe in the future gonna be adquaring the course

[@EckosamaGhostTsushima]

why is Proko on Trents channel???

[@travucopapayayano4074]

Trent maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa man!!!!!!!

[@sargentuniverse2254]

Awesome!!¡ hope I can work as a concept artist soon and with this advice on mind!!

[@rendyal-azhar1405]

Good job Chino Moreno!

[@adibara]

"full sausage exposure" Trent, 2021 that cracked me up 😀

[@Lync1111]

Thanks To Proko and A thanks To Trent Kaniuga. Looking forward to seeing what treasures awaits! Hey Trent did your video game ever go for sale out there. The one with the guy running. You did an animation over view of him explaining the run cycle and how you go about doing them in your way. Where can we find this game? Proko I wish you have in your library Modo courses just saying. The 3D software. Dan Ablan use to give amazing course back when. Not sure what he's doing now. But it would be nice if you had that as well in your library for purchase.

[@1Up2081]

I knew that you had less than a day to get a concept art piece done, but wow. I'm nowhere near that fast and don't even think I know what I want to be now. And the drawing stuff that I think I'm good at are things that nobody needs like lineart.

[@Mr.HotDogShirtGuy]

Don’t give up on your dream just because somebody else TOLD you it would be hard. Learn that for yourself. FAIL. Absorb new information. Improve from your mistakes. Be yourself. And keep in mind, this guy is trying to sell you some shit. Whenever a person says, “You don’t have what it takes, but I do, and I’m willing to sell you my secret.” They are breaking you down so that they can make money off of you. And I’m sure he is right, the work will be difficult, there is more to it than just drawing and you shouldn’t come in unprepared. There will always be challenges. DO NOT give up on your dream.

[@1Up2081]

@@Mr.HotDogShirtGuy You're absolutely right. It won't be easy, but nothing worth doing is ever easy. I *won't* give up on my dream.

[@dkmbstudio]

@@Mr.HotDogShirtGuy i hear Steve Perry singing in the background

[@perevision]

I work mostly in lineart and someone hired me to do a very complex comic and I created a ton of concept art with lineart and a little watercolour. The main concept artists of the Lord of the Rings movies work mostly in pencil, with some paintings for colour and to flesh things out. This guy even outlines all the stuff studios need from artists without mentioning digital painting: multiple component parts, modular design, research skills and an ability to deliver to the brief. And you can learn to draw fast! Especially for projects. Don’t give up, if you really love doing something you’ll find your own way to do it!

[@1Up2081]

@@perevision You're right. Then I won't. I'll find a way to make it work!

[@DilshadNajeeb]

Proko featuring Trent! Never saw this coming. But I've been subconsciously waiting for this

[@genreartwithjb5095]

Coming out of Comics, I'm not surprised at all that you are expected to do this in a day. A very tall order but if you are just doing concept art it is not an unreasonable ask. I would have guessed three days to a week but a day is definitely tight but not impossible. But then again that depends on how many kickbacks you are getting from the Art Director. I'd be curious if there are style guides or suggestions given to the concept designer from the outset or if the concept artist is in fact working from scratch with no guides.

[@allegedlyadult4839]

If the IP has been established like WOW, the concept artist will get style guides and when creating a new IP you work from scratch with the team and develop the style for the product. Atleast that`s what I`ve heard from Trent and others.

[@storymaxart]

4:13 i am having a conceptual breakdown

[@nonwilson5587]

I don't know where to find and ask for the job.

[@skatedanMonster]

I would like to know what studios are these that you're talking about that can't find talent so we can apply :'c idk where to apply :c

[@65321721]

Really helpful...

[@meomeo9776]

> collab with Kanuga i like this

[@wingbutler]

Aww.. He didn't say his signature, "Oh, Yeeeahhh!" at the end.

[@CrayfishDesign]

ah yes, my dream job

[@Bloosworld24]

Trent advises actually works

[@herogear_art]

Paying attention but also distracted by Trent's copy of Dino Crisis (?) back there.

[@jarjarsenpai8235]

Youre an engineer. Basically coming up with as many questions as possible to get the most accurate pic in the quickest time

[@dyastro7479]

This guy gets it. Lots of people here dont understand and thus getting mad that the man has a course that teaches you exactly what you clearly dont understand. But chalk it up to "the job cant be THAT demanding? He must be lying" Its not about it being demanding, its about understanding the pipeline and the process, so you can be a valuable team member. He just decided to put that info in a course.

[@Lizard1582]

@@dyastro7479 yeah all these clueless people leaving comments to ignore Trent make me feel so much better about my chances in the industry. I looked into one's Artstation who claims he's been hired at multiple studios and all he does is make 3D fanart.

[@ninarex397]

I need this kind of video, I really want to work in concept art industry in the future, and these advices from a professional artist are very useful to me 💕

[@Omuline4468]

Not really “not getting hired” more like “I hope I get hired bcus I’m still a kid wanting to be one and I am not good with rejection”

[@littlecurrybread]

it's so weird to hear ppl say Trent is lying or trying to scare ppl into buying his course. He literally runs his own concept studio, hiring artists, worked with the biggest studios in the world. Sure, what he says might not apply to everyone but you're listening to a veteran of the industry. If you look around there are NOT a whole lot of veterans in games because they get chewed out. Listen to many, but failure will teach more than anything else.

[@Lizard1582]

Trent's the pinnacle of a workhorse production artist, and the general lazy artist hates that. They have fantasies of landing a big cushy job at a famous studio without putting the work in.

[@littlecurrybread]

@@Lizard1582 true!

[@patriciablue2739]

Excellent

[@CreativeSteve69]

Great guest as usual Proko. Can ya try n get a 3d environment artist onto the show. :D

[@seanramsey]

Check out the new Proko 3D channel! There will be a bunch more 3D lessons and tutorials up there in the future.

[@CreativeSteve69]

@@seanramsey Thanks for letting me know Sean. Defently will keep my eye out.

[@dorobo81]

Im not sure about the part that studios can't find people for concept art :)

[@corrozu]

trent?!

[@tormentedterror]

Liked your video.

[@snakeysstyle783]

THIS IS AMAZING!!!

[@nicholasblicharski835]

Does the 45 dollars include all the videos or is that only for proko members? Also, is there a discord or forum where ppl that have taken this course can critique each other's work?

[@sarispooks6366]

treeeeennnt

[@commentbot9510]

I'm really worried that I won't be able to get a job. I'd like to do work like this but I've never been fast at anything and I doubt I could do much more than a sketch in a day... Let alone paint that well...

[@yeet-hu1xs]

this video's says "10 hours ago" but i swear i watched it like 10 weeks ago

[@dibujosinlimitesmp]

No salsa intro?

[@maryfaqih9403]

So i now know i'm not ready.thank you and goodbye*walks into trafic*

[@mesia2453]

Him: I am doing this for 17 years Me who is 17 y/o: surprise pikachu face

[@Zeth99seb]

What program was used here?

[@yoonisan9302]

Welp, guess I know what course I'll follow after Ahmed Aldoori's

[@igorkirdeika4765]

Hey Proko! Bring Feng Zhu here! :P kkkk. #ProkoBringAFengZhuWorkshop! \o/

[@MilindMisalsPicassoArtStudio]

Wow really awesome.. 35💐👌🏻

[@joeldelica8706]

These studios? Not finding talents? Coz they keep adding new skills for the concept artist to know and do for them. It’s like hiring a secretary. Who also knows how to make the perfect cappuccino and vacuum the floor at the same time. That’s why you can’t find artist.

[@Unrealqueste]

Yep, it's like you have to have 3+ years of experience and a shipped game... To get into a studio and work on a project for 3+ years and get some experience...

[@joeldelica8706]

@@Unrealqueste I actually have 6 years of experience. And a proof to show it. And I still get ghosted even by 3rd rate gaming studios. And I’m not even expensive.

[@Unrealqueste]

@@joeldelica8706 and that make me sick, since I have zero professional experience in that domain. I'm still pushing through, but I genuinely don't understand these people, how are we suppose to be super good if we can't even land a job to begin with, I wouldn't expect a brand new driver to be as good as Hamilton. And yet here we are 🤦🏿‍♂️

[@joeldelica8706]

@@Unrealqueste I think, even though you have "zero experience" in the field. You must make your portfolio look as if a professional owns it. Meaning your design and art must be at par or at least in approximation with the stuff you see in movie concept arts. I know it's not that simple. I had a whole decade to prepare for it. And other individuals don't have that luxury. But then this field of work requires Us that we work like a horse(maybe that depends on what country the studio is in. Asian studios are strict with quantity). You must be ready to churn out sketches of multiple designs that has multiple variations of said designs etc etc. I don't know what level your on with your art skills. So this advice might not cater to you. But it's going to be a "cake walk" when you already know what to do. In short. Don't wait for the career for your art to be good. Be already skilled before landing that dream job. I hope this helps a little.

[@whenanthonydraws]

Ciao, baby, yeahhh

[@aasaicowise1196]

If Proko can get Ethan Becker on, I'll sign up faster than Ethan can call me a baby

[@seanziethen1032]

Alright I will join. But Please: Stop calling it a "Sausage Exposure" XD