Why You Should AVOID The Jumper T-Pro At All Costs

[@DarrenAllatt]

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[@ADApgs]

For $90, I'm willing to put up with these shortcomings. T-pro (ELRS) still probably the best choice in this price segment and form factor.

[@obsolete4735]

I'm literally waiting v.2 of this controller for ELRS main device.

[@bengordon7635]

really smooth full size gimbles even after over 6 months still feels like new

[@Samuel-ux8im]

I get the points, still decided to buy it. Month later i love the thing. Very cheap and very nice feeling. especially the long sticks are really nice for a beginner like me. About the arming and disarming, yeah it could be better designed but i kinda like that u need to buttons to arm the quad (and disarm). overall i would recommend the thing! (Must say now i bought an tx16s with the full cnc gimbals)

[@deez_zenzy9917]

is it still holding up

[@bengordon7635]

Me too this thing is durable just throw it around keeps on going and uses lil battery at 500mhz thats what I use goes super far

[@HiltsyAdventure]

I used the left 3 way switch to arm and the left push button for my beeper, right 3way is my modes. Turtle is on one of the six push on at the top.

[@zolex5370]

same here :D

[@peterquayle9948]

Jumper released an upgraded back cover that replaces one of the dials with a latching switch. I have one and it works great.

[@christhorney]

thanks for mentioning this i didnt know it existed, upon looking i see they use the right hand for the latching switch unfortunaly i really do prefer to use my left hand for arming, it would have been good if they got rid of both dials and put 2 latching switches because what can i use the dial for? on my dji mini 2 i use the dial for zoom and moving the gimbal, but for an fpv quad i cant really think of a single use for the dial. I would honestly prefer airmode on a latching switch as well as arming, but hey i could get used to arming with my right hand, or maby i could buy 2 and modify it to replace both dials with latching swithces, hmmm

[@peterquayle9948]

@@christhorney I agree it’s not ideal. On reflection, I should have got the Radiomaster Zorro.

[@christhorney]

@@peterquayle9948 I'm not too stressed honestly the extra power headroom is worth it to me (on elrs) not that I will ever use the 1w but knowing it's there if I need it is nice, and yeah even without the latching mod it does do everything I need just their are drawbacks to all the radios, without spending extra money on batteries cases and modules the t pro I still think is the best value, also I found someone putting in radiomaster CNC mini gimbals in a t lite and the pro is supposed to have the same gimbals as the lite so it may be possible to mod in nice CNC gimbals, I'll find the video title and respond again with the title of that video for you to find it easier

[@christhorney]

@@peterquayle9948 Upgrading jumper t-lite with radiomaster ag-01 mini gimbals Uploaded by user aigilea I'm keen to try putting them in the pro

[@DreamFreeFPV]

I really appreciated the review. That said, I got one, I love it. I'm modding it with AG01 minis.

[@DarrenAllatt]

Enjoy it

[@kendrickfpv4139]

Thanks as always for the informative review. I got the lanyard last week, thank you!

[@bengordon7635]

had mine 2 years ,, hmmmm still going strong ,, the wiring inside is twisted to tight grounding wires out causes lots of issues with charging and sd card failures .. run 3.01 elrs and you will have no issues the wifi module on my has failed so will not connect to flash firmware ,, edge TX recommends now the the memory card is internal a flash chip eliminates the no sd card error .. new jumper and boxer radios are all boards with plug in connectors no solder joints anymore ,, all radios with external sd cards on edge TX have issues

[@PilotsPitstop]

would the 900mhz bandit module with a nano attatchment fit onto the jumper t pro?

[@DarrenAllatt]

Yes.

[@aiswarp7755]

Is the new Jumper T pro v2 Elrs a good controller or should I spend more and get zorro

[@DarrenAllatt]

I’d recommend the new T-Pro v2 which addresses all the issues I raise in this video.

[@aiswarp7755]

@@DarrenAllatt I want to setup my new T-Pro v2 can I follow the same steps as t20 in your elrs setup guide

[@nuhbiwan]

Finally a momentary arm switch. Honestly, I am a fan of that

[@DarrenAllatt]

Ok, I am genuinely interested to understand your view. Can you please talk me through how come you prefer momentary for arming over latching?

[@ooOoo.....]

@@DarrenAllatt a toggle can be bumped and remain in that position. A momentary must be deliberately pushed and that works well if you program a time requirement as well, like pushed for 2 or 3 seconds for example.

[@deadbyteDrones]

"Form over function". Trying to be a DJI controller so hard it missed its main target users.. Great video. Thank you.

[@_burd]

You know there are latching push buttons under those shoulder buttons, right? If you really want something latching those are totally usable. Personally, I use claw so have my right index finger holding the right 3pos full up for armed and then flick it down to disarm. Works really well for me. I'm not sure any of these issues are really as serious as you pitch them tbh. It would be nice to be able to mount the gimbals lower in the body just because of my hand size. Though it's totally usable and as an overall Tx, it has a great amount of flexibility (more than what is needed for FPV tbh) in terms of options to use for various controls.

[@DarrenAllatt]

You know after I made this video, they updated the radio to have latching shoulder buttons. ELRS also requires a 2 Pos switch for arming. Using a 3 position switch you are giving up 2 positions.

[@gingefpv]

I mean its cool if you don't like it. But I only really use 5 channels currently. arm, black-box, beeper, turtle and RSSI

[@madforit9661]

Hi any chance you may know what this issues is. I just purchased the t pro and setting up the switches and special modes When she speaks its all crackly like electrical interference.

[@DarrenAllatt]

volume too high is most likely cause

[@jayzzz1234]

Hi Darren, dose the v2 have a latching switch for arm/ disarm, I have a ethixs for crossfire and a jumper t lite for D8, I want to get the jumper t pro v2 to move into elrs, I know I can switch with modules I just prefer to have everything separate, I prefer the gamer style controller over a chunky one..

[@jayzzz1234]

I also want x2 18650 if I'm going to elrs the t light only has one.

[@DarrenAllatt]

Yes. Latching shoulder switches on the v2, oled screen and 2S 18650’s

[@jayzzz1234]

Thank you

[@JoryFPV]

I planned on buying a T-Pro or Zorro before they released, but after seeing their features and drawbacks I decided they were both a bit underwhelming. It's really a shame there isn't a gamepad style radio without major downsides.

[@DarrenAllatt]

The Zorro’s major drawback is the battery. I’m still testing it to see how much life you actually get out of it.

[@JoryFPV]

@@DarrenAllatt That is my primary problem with it also. I'd be curious to know how it handles a module running at 1w. I'm assuming you'd need to plug-in an external battery, and that's a bit of a deal breaker for me. To me it's also a drawback that the ELRS version is only 250mw. I'm sure that's what's reasonable for the internal module without a fan, and it's fine for micros, but do I really want to put a 5" with a GoPro in the air on 250mw when 1w is an option? I really wanted to like the Zorro since there are good gimbals rumored to be coming, and I'm used to higher quality gimbals than what's available on gamepad radios. They were so close to a good product. Looking forward to the review and how you think it compares to the T-Pro.

[@DarrenAllatt]

Personally, the spec chasing of "higher so it's better" is something I am working on for a video. That being said, sounds like you freestyle and fly in bando's. There was a facebook post recently where this guy flew a ELRS whoop behind 3 apartment buildings on 500mhz at 100mw and failsafed - link below. It was a crazy distance for the amount of interference and multi-pathing he would have had between his radio and the quad. I am going to be doing some testing on this concept between 250mw and 1w for ELRS. So many people are used to being burned by FRSKY that we just want to throw everything we can at the RC link. Here's that video... I think it's crazy distance for 100mw @ 500mhz on a whoop with that much interference and multi-pathing: facebook.com/100053727850424/videos/1009842019612786/

[@smokehead5318]

Hello, what about Literadio 3 pro, what do You think about it?

[@DarrenAllatt]

Haven’t been able to get my hands on one… but haven’t heard the best about it. Jumper T-Lite V2 is out, which is on its way. If it’s anything like the original T-Lite, but better, then it’s a winner

[@smokehead5318]

@@DarrenAllatt jumper t lite v2? Didn't heard about it. But I heard few good opinions about literadio 3 pro. Currently jumper t pro is on discount, elrs version for about 100$, is it still not worth? I am new so I am asking:)

[@DarrenAllatt]

@@smokehead5318 I’d stay away from the lite radio 3 pro …. The T-Pro isn’t something I am a fan of, so either go the Zorro or the T-Lite

[@smokehead5318]

@@DarrenAllatt I have local yt guy that had to replaced t light 5th times...believe or not, but I have heard that many have had problems with t light, ahh we will see, literadio 3 pro has at least better switches, and gorgeous screen vs t pro. But battery...:( it's in every hobby, every piece of equipment is lacking something ALWAYS, how is that possible;) cheers mate.

[@WDZaphod]

I prefer a momentary switch way over a toggle one. By software you can make a toggle one out of a momentary one, with ONE line in the special functions. But you cannot create a momentary one out of a toggle switch. I disarm my wings with a 2sec-press on a momentary switch, to absolutely avoid accidential mid flight disarm. A toggle switch is just useless for that.

[@DarrenAllatt]

Well, in the V2 of the T-Pro, they made it a toggle switch 😉 So, you had to put in code to make sure you are holding down the momentary switch for 2 seconds to make sure it didn’t disarm And did you know you can use the same on the toggle switch

[@yoanariosuwandito8711]

so?? are radiomaster zorro is better than this? because I want to buy radiomaster zorro, is it recommended?

[@DarrenAllatt]

Yes, the Zorro is more refined and well thought out product despite the 1/3 of the battery life

[@stephencain896]

Hey, I think they just fixed the momentary switch arming issue with the V2

[@DarrenAllatt]

Yes they did.

[@mbenjaminford]

The latching switches on the Tango 2 suck. After only a month of use, the left switch wasn’t working. I reached out to TBS, and their response was that it was probably full of dust, and I simply needed to take the entire radio apart and clean the switch. Obviously, it’s a design flaw. I had to remap the arming switch in FreedomTX, and the momentary left shoulder switch is now turtle mode, so nothing essential

[@DarrenAllatt]

They do, the latched switches on the BetaFPV literadio3 which is $50 don’t suck and won’t have the same problem as the Tango2 and Mambo

[@nectronx]

I got one from AliExpress .... i think you are right... i have to go to the settiings to assign the arming desarming to one of the 3 positions switches ... and the gimbals are so tall... it isn't only one pin in the B... but it is like try to control two atari 2600 joysticks with our thumbs (impossible Mission). and get a Radiomaster (battery life matter) OMG ... I have my flysky FS I6S under 60 boxes, the gimbals are not high end but feel more easy to control... I hope they will come out with another real pro version because that one ...

[@gregorydahl]

It reminds me of a plastic model ship with no paint but not glued too bent .

[@dndon2007]

what is the betaflight setting to make the stick feel normal.. I have used frsky xlite for three years and its really difficult to use this jumper

[@DarrenAllatt]

That’s actually stick tension on the radio and not a Betaflight setting

[@dndon2007]

@@DarrenAllatt I means stick feel when roll or do fast turn.. I played with lowering rate and still very fast response .. maybe I have a faulty gimbal.. I was you figure somthing in rate to make the stick speed normal like other radios

[@DarrenAllatt]

@@dndon2007 I’d try calibrating your gimbals which is in the system menu of the radio

[@dndon2007]

@@DarrenAllatt I did with any new models.. I figure the problem its just travel to the endpoint its very far different than my others radio tx 16 pro and taranis x-lite. I have to play alot to get used to it.. anyway thanks for reply and sorry about my english 👍🏻

[@noramas.]

Mostly disagree. Tpro at least could run much longer than overrated Zorro. 2hours of working time- such a shame for transmitter with small batteries

[@DarrenAllatt]

I did say Jumper got the batteries right, but stuffed up the rest.

[@johnholland3476]

The jumper t12 has stick over travel also if it didnt it be decent tx

[@Super_Mario_Fpv]

Watched your video last night on all the elrs remotes. As much as I like the looks of the tx16s, I wasn't comfortable using the jumper tx16. And I'm thinking I'm gonna not enjoy the radiomaster. Im gonna get the zorro as soon as its out. I hope they come out with the nice color/touch screen and some color additions. (I like customizing stuff)

[@bengordon7635]

jumpers 18650 batteries way better

[@janefaulkner3749]

You can get shorter sticks from Ali express for a couple of pounds.

[@kennethtully]

There's literally a 3 way switch for arming just to the right

[@DarrenAllatt]

There are a few reasons why a 3 way switch is bad for arming: 1) ExpressLRS requires a 2 position switch for arming, not a 3 position switch 2) it’s a waste of a 3 position switch that can be used for your flight modes (acro / angle / horizon); beeper & turtle mode; launch mode & pit mode… 3) arming should either be armed or disarmed, not disarmed, armed, armed

[@nikotttin]

Thank you for this. Jumper was clearly cutting too many corners to drive higher revenue and lower the dev cost to a rock bottom.

[@parker1ray]

I purchased a Jumper T18 Pro v2 six months ago and it is a big piece of garbage! The gimbals are so cheap that the right one looses calibration and causes me to have to recalibrate the gimbal and fine tune all of the models. I have had to do it several times and it keeps doing it! I have had to purchase a Radiomaster TX16S because no one has any gimbals for the T18. Jumper will not respond to my emails!

[@DarrenAllatt]

TX16S gimbals may work in the T18, but I think long term you will be happy with the TX16S

[@BluntmanOO7]

unsubbing sick of these negative reviews when there is easy work arounds, you are just hopping on the JB bandwagon.

[@DarrenAllatt]

Fully respect your decision. However as a consumer I don’t believe it’s my responsibility to find a work around to a manufacturers negligent product design and manufacturing process.

[@BluntmanOO7]

@@DarrenAllatt Its a simple button configuration to suit your likings, You are way off with statement like "a manufacturers negligent product design and manufacturing process" what exactly are you referring to? the button layout is not to your liking so you make a outlandish statement like that. I for one like the design and the layout and it seems so do many others considering they have been out of stock for months. The FPV hobby as a whole requires you to have to adjust your equipment so what is the big deal about changing a button layout to suit your liking? Mountains out of molehills! Every so called issue some KZbin FPV channels have found so far has been solved with a simple adjustment in the menu, apart from the internal ELRS version, they really dropped the ball their trying to get it out to market as fast as possible.

[@DarrenAllatt]

I actually like the button layout and design, as I said earlier in the video. The implementation of the buttons is an issue. Would have been happy if one was latching the other was momentary and it was up to me to open up the radio and swap them. It's not safe to have the arming switch on a momentary button. If you accidentally bump the switch, the sticky function takes over and arms the quad, and carnage ensues. At least with a momentary button, any bump won't cause arming.

[@rbFPV]

@@DarrenAllatt How is it different from accidentally bumping a latching button?

[@trekkin_fpv5272]

@@DarrenAllatt there's a simple solution to your "flaw" argument... Don't use either of the momentary switches for arming!! You don't have to!!! Use one of the 3 pos switches. Save the momentary switches for beeper and turtle mode, both of which would work great for momentary uses. Or just rip the damn buttons off the radio if you're so offended by them. But in this case I don't think we need to throw jumper under the bus, call their product broken or flawed, or start demanding recalls (I didn't say you did that, but I saw a comment here to that effect) just because they made a design choice to add 2 momentary switches where other radios have 2 position switches. Literally a tempest in a teapot. Don't use the radio ffs.

[@sebastiancollen4446]

All that complaining but they did implement those improvements in the V2…

[@DarrenAllatt]

Yes, and I absolutely rate the v2 … see criticism of products flaws (which in these comments you will read I am really taken to task over) results in them being put into a v2 That’s the best outcome for everyone.

[@jankucera8505]

loose? mine were tight like some playstation controller. who the hell needs a tight sticks? you are supposed to control the drone, not fight the stick resistance. this isn't xbox...

[@anujchandkapoor]

Absolutely agree. I like the fact that you are looking from the perspective of a actual buyer who would pay the money. I agree they got the battery right which Zorro did it completely wrong. Both of them in my opinion were huge deal breakers for me. I use ELRS on my Jumper t18 which hase 18650 and even with new 3200mah battery with 200mW I hardly get couple of hrs in the radio so for me Jumper T Pro is garbage and so is Radiomaster Zoro but Jumper is a bigger pile than the Radiomaster.

[@bengordon7635]

I have the jumper t pro and love it so small and tough as hell 6 months beat to hell keeps on going like new crazy I dropped it down a flight of stairs and nothing just keeps on going

[@Arhifisyant]

Jumper. From t16, t18, t lite, t pro. I never really like them.

[@thomasjohnson8121]

"Hard earned money" it's $90

[@gipipoy]

I feel like his brain stopped working on learning new things. All of his complains are personal tastes. I feel like if I'm the manufacturer I will design the controller according to his way. Is that called a brat? lol. Another point, positions switches are not software hack, it is a feature. That is the reason why the controller has its own operating system so you can PROGRAM it your self. Fundamentally flawed because things didn't come in to your own way? lol

[@DarrenAllatt]

You feel like my brain has stopped working on learning new things? Well, I’ll remember that and next time you ask for help - you can find it on another channel. It’s funny you mention this, because the manufacturer has since changed the design of the radio to include a latching shoulder button on the left side for arming & disarming. Oh why did they do that I wonder.

[@ixography]

Damn so much crying in one video lol

[@DarrenAllatt]

Yes, as a consumer who’s paid money for something it’s a fair expecting for things to be done properly

[@ammar6937]

@@DarrenAllatt done properly?... Just because it's not too your liking don't mean it's not done properly

[@DarrenAllatt]

@@ammar6937 it’s not made to the basic requirements of the FPV market.

[@toddsanford7757]

bait click review! so heres my click since you're so desperate for clicks. its an awesome radio,. but thanks for the public service announcement karen.,

[@DarrenAllatt]

You know Todd, FPV KZbinrs get accused of saying every product is amazing. I bought this with my own money, thought it was shit, so made a video about my thoughts. If you don’t like what I think, fine. If you think it’s click bait, sure there is a bit of that - but that’s how KZbin works. You won’t click on a video that says “I didn’t like the Jumper T-Pro” … so.. don’t click then.

[@alistairborthwick2031]

Boo hoo