Why You Shouldn't 2-Step Your Turbo Car For Fun

Taking a closer look at the damage from 2-step (launch control). The 2-step features an Ignition cut to hold RPMs but without fuel being cut, combustion can occur in the exhaust causing harm to your engine and other components. This is the result of 2-stepping for fun.
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[@PacoGValencia]

The edits are cracking me up which is a good thing cause the carnage is brutal!

[@emotionalintelligence776]

My dude, having that knowledge to know something was wrong with the engine from how it sounded, kudos to you. Having that Extended knowledge to be able to tear down and rebuild your engine after you damage it, effing PRICELESS. Most people 2-stepping their cars will blow up their cars trying to be like everyone else, if VAG wanted your car to 2-step it would've been an option on your model, it's not there for a reason. Adding something extra to your car sometimes requires more than just an I saw Bobby do it in his car, YMMV, Lol, Love the Vid and your blown motor still looks cleaner than mine, Lol.

[@xaviercrowley7517]

Respectfully, I disagree. The whole “if the manufacturer wanted your car to do this, then it would be stock feature/option” is extremely naive. If people(especially the car community) lived like that/by that saying, then we wouldn’t have 1000hp 4 cylinders, or really any high horsepower performance street/drag cars. Do you think manufacturers like Ford, Chevy, and Dodge intended on people slapping big ass turbos and superchargers on their cars and testing the limits of their motors, and then independent people and companies making their products better? Nah probably not. But because people did, we now have things like the hellcat, demon, etc. As for VAG, if they didn’t want people to mod their cars, then they wouldn’t make the ME7 and 7.5 so easy to crack and tune. Not to mention make some pretty bitchin cars/engines🤷‍♂️

[@kevinhawley962]

@@xaviercrowley7517 100% agree

[@rhawk2424]

2 step is a novelty, do it occasionally, for a short time. Holding it on the 2 step until things glow will definitely cause damage. It's one of those "do it at your own risk" things. Same thing goes for 2 or 3 minute burnouts, without air moving across the radiator and engine bay, things glow. When they glow, they go. Good explanation, hope people watch this and think twice about holding the 2 step too long. Its not as hard on a built engine, but those engines also require much more maintenance in general.

[@woldwf]

Finally someone know what they talking about other than all the little rivers n shit

[@Thesaltymechanic]

your content is amazing. Thank you for making the Volkwagen content brother.

[@fartingnipple8021]

Bro! Such a great video

[@NamDolla]

I love the editing you do it's great

[@alltheboost5363]

It's unfortunate to see that damage... this is what happens when you have tunable 2-Step and you don't understand quite what's going on. I wouldn't be shocked if you had burnt valves as well. If the valve are not burnt then they are some hella strong valves. Anytime Fuel explodes instead of burning you're going to have problems unless everything is built to withstand it valvetrain Springs retainers cams... everything. Mad props on putting this on KZbin I'm sure there's plenty of people hating. I hope my comment doesn't come off as giving you a hard time because that's not what it's meant to be. Maybe some people can learn from this and not go crazy aggressive on there 2-Step. You either want a little bit of popping out the exhaust or all the popping to happen in the exhaust and not when the exhaust valve is open... it's all about timing putting a spark plug in the exhaust. That will also save your turbo.

[@viperfukgoogplus386]

Lubrication is absolutely the cause... When you two-step your car and you're cutting out the ignition but the fuel is still flowing so you're literally dumping fuel into the motor, you are sending out the oil, washing down your cylinders, destroying your rings, and destroying every other moving part in the motor. Combustion in the exhaust manifold can also cause valves to open at the incorrect times from the pressure on the wrong end of the valve. It can open the valve pushing the valve into the piston if you have an interference motor.

[@joea1820]

Haha I had my MK4 Jetta GLI stage 2 by Eurodyne for one day two stepped it twice and the turbo started eatin oil! Now I know to not two step it unnecessarily.

[@vlMonster]

Damn💔 hope you finish the car soon☹🙌🏼

[@notsofast1334]

Not sure if you still have the car but E-85 could fix your problems in the aftermath of 2 step it has cooling propertys and that allows your motor to run colder just an idea thought

[@domhammer1289]

well what did you think would happen while 2steppin on stock camshafts lifters and probably you valves and springs? all that hard work with the bottom end just to fuck it all up with stock top end parts?

[@bstevenson1002]

As Always, Great Video!! Never was a big fan of 2 step myself😞. But if I was to gonna Race my car,then yes I would do it. .. Can wait till ur next video😎✌Dub!

[@cruisey9857]

Heat brah, blowing up that exhaust side makes it hot af and the oil was probably boiling closer to the exhaust lol feel the bern

[@Kevin-wy8kc]

what about the black plastic cover that goes over one of the cams?

[@GraffDK]

Have the same problem with my Golf 4 1.6 with the ticking and the high, low fuel, and its pretty annoying -_-

[@lorenzogutierrez7488]

Does anyone know How bad is the damage on the cylinder walls with the whole "fuel gets rid of oil" argument?

[@AccessGranted95]

nice!

[@roycestricker]

How long did you have 2step b4 it blew up? How often did u 2step?

[@TheCoburgProject]

I would have to put this on oil. It could have been over heating and not lubricating efficiently. As stated the exhaust side was the most damaged and as it was more then likely the hottest side the oil would quickly overheat when it reached that side. Another would be how the oil flows in that engine and if it's possible that oil would stay in the exhaust side for a long period or longer then the intake side.

[@euromoddingelite756]

Here at 12 views .damn must say makes me not wanna add 2 step

[@taikistephon4218]

29k views, and i still wanna fuck up my vw

[@reecemiller9280]

I’m with you buddy I don’t wanna do it no more 🤣

[@GODOY97GT]

Just subscribed. Nice 1.8t guy!

[@OriginalLofiBeats]

so what was the cause for the problem? could it have been avoided?

[@audimanvideos153]

Can it be done on Audi A7 with a tune ?

[@hdrperformance2719]

Stock engine make the same problems with lifters. Same like all 1.9 on the pumps. But the turbo always will take a hits from n2mb so n2mb is danger but not for a engine but turbo

[@startonesoundinternational2151]

How can I contact u i need help using eurodyne

[@716tg3]

0:12 sooo.. your the guy that gets the cops called on us while hiding a check engine light from yourself...👌🏽

[@MultiSilver3000]

So are these stock internals? And if so would having a built engine prevent a lot of this harm?

[@DaBuGzLiFe]

2 steps are hella fun but aren't meant to be flame throwers. They are meant to be used for racing launch control but who does that? Fireballs are awesome. And yes forged internals will help but unfortunately it will cause premature wear.

[@buddysshop1860]

From what I've heard, the good tunes don't cut ignition, they retard it about 30 degrees. So it still fires, just way late

[@Logan.Justice]

Would you consider a eurocustoms tune Good?

[@buddysshop1860]

@@Logan.Justice not sure. I've don't know anyone that's used their tunes

[@MicroTurboComplex]

So how did the 2 step cause this? I have been hesitant to add it to my tune for fear of damaging my exhaust but damn this really drives the nail in the coffin on that one for me. Great video man, keep it up!

[@VdubInParadise]

Chad Williams Constant flames/explosions in the exhaust put extreme amounts of stress and heat through the entire exhaust assembly in the head.

[@kevinhawley962]

@@VdubInParadise was there any dmg to the valves at all?

[@joshtheking1772]

​​@@kevinhawley962Considering how bad the exhaust lifters were, i wouldnt care if there wasnt any damage to them. At that point replace them anyway while the head is off.

[@joeeoj8126]

Also I believe the exhaust valves got way too hot sitting there 2 Steppin for however long u did, intake valves wouldn't get affected because all the heat is on the exhuast side

[@VdubInParadise]

joe eoj that’s a good theory.

[@joshtheking1772]

​@@VdubInParadisetiming was to heavily retarded.

[@stvxnsweetheart6940]

Bruh I might get two step by the end of this week now I don’t want to get it 💀🤣🤣

[@zlucidspams6554]

what if mines a 2.0 non turbo

[@kevinhawley3303]

look at the wear pattern on ur exhaust lobe is on the outer sides...

[@chieftex3015]

To high compression?

[@user-xv4pc4sy9c]

Is 2 step safer for NA cars ?

[@talokoeim]

do you use new OEM head bolts? or use ARP ?

[@VdubInParadise]

Victor Reinz head bolts

[@hightechredneck3]

Bruh that exhaust cam was fuuuuked

[@damann2925]

Why weld the turbo? Am a tdi guy I once blocked the actuator air release pipe (after egr removal) felt like a evo all 300 meters till the turbo went bang luckily it was only the turbo I had to replace.

[@OriginalLofiBeats]

he welded the flap because he has an external wasegate from Tial

[@damann2925]

@@OriginalLofiBeats okay

[@creepingjesus9740]

Errrrr did you ever look at your positions. I burn a whole in 2 of mine with my 2 step

[@bones615]

How do you 2 step? Like what action do you actually do? Just trying to learn more about cars

[@VdubInParadise]

2-Step is only available when you have an aftermarket tune.

[@OriginalLofiBeats]

I believe you hold down the clutch and floor it, and your tune will see that your clutch is in so it will fuel/spark cut at the set rpm, could be wrong but I just ordered a 2 step tune from GTSPerformance/Gonzo so ill see

[@mk4geo822]

New subscriber here. I have heard of Garrett turbos tend to not hold up after 2 stepping. Borgwarners are the way to go from what I’ve seen in custom builds, and online also

[@joshtheking1772]

Its not a turbo issue at all. Its combustion still occuring too many times with the exhaust valve hanging open. His damage was due to heavily retarded timing. The turbo had nothing to do with it.

[@Jesse-hr2ef]

I've been using 2-step for a whole now on my Mk4 GLI, and never had a problem. And I know my other buddies run it and no issues. I think that was caused from something else.

[@VdubInParadise]

What stage cars do they have? I too have run 2-step on my GTI and never had major problems like this besides shaft play on the turbo..but on my GLI I run a stage 3 setup with 630cc injectors. More fuel, more bang..a bit harsher setup than normal.

[@Jesse-hr2ef]

@@VdubInParadise yeah I'm running stage 2. That could be a possibility why that happened. Maybe that was too much for the car. Idk there could many reasons why that happened

[@hector971000]

I feel like you had valve float or some short of issues with the valves or the lifters failed and caused this 2 step contributed to the turbo

[@jaylonchung9528]

Would this be the same for pops and bangs tunes?

[@ellisberry8747]

Depends if you overuse it

[@ellisberry8747]

A stock engine running a crazy tune getting hot as hell is gonna blow up fast. An engine thats built to take some abuse should be fine. But if you use your stock hatchback like a race car its gonna blow up anyway

[@cyyeung4879]

Why doing a head swap when you can send the old one to machine shop and built it for stronger?

[@VdubInParadise]

I’d rather have a big port head be built rather than a small port. AEB head is on my list to do for the future build.

[@mrpainlessgamer]

My buddies 1.8t Audi A4 has 200k miles tuned on 20 pounds he two steps all the time hasn’t caused any issues maybe the tune is your issue

[@manuelmena8170]

You are funny 👍👍👍👍👍

[@technicallyeco.2751]

Timing on 2 step too roudy sending values into lifers and cam lobes, put valves in a drill spin em I be willing to bet exhaust side bent

[@damontorres858]

Dang bro!

[@ellisberry8747]

Couldn’t even be mad,2 step is like a drug. Super fun but if you abuse it it’ll fuck ya up

[@tilowol]

Where did you learn all this 👍👍👍

[@Gally89714]

no where good if he thinks 2 step done all that

[@KBMOTORSchannel]

Lol. Every kid that can afford a tune is 2stepping every day! Lolol. I’m trying to learn to build my own tune.

[@kneco1374]

I dont 2 step often but this makes me not want to do it at all!

[@ellisberry8747]

If you use it as if it was nitrous you should be safe...if you’re going to be gapping fools around town you cant use it every single time haha. If your car isn’t built for it then sitting on 2 step for ages at the Meet is of course going to fuck it up

[@joeeoj8126]

What can chain tensioner did u use??

[@VdubInParadise]

joe eoj OEM unit

[@RANDOM24h]

Push in and out... That is the worst damage to the bearings... Radial is normal 😂a little bit

[@seanglendon4813]

Only 2 step if you know how to work on the engine

[@emmanuellopez236]

Impossible, I've 2 stepped a vr6 for almost 2 min str8 with 0 problems lol

[@VdubInParadise]

Vr6 turbo?

[@emmanuellopez236]

VDub In Paradise vr6 24v no turbo. Look at the latest vid of the jetta and mk2 2 stepping on my channel, you most likely have an issue with oil

[@VdubInParadise]

Emmanuel Lopez Sick car, wish I had a vr6. With my tune, the car is constantly spitting flames to build boost. Most likely the valves ran soo hot it damaged the entire exhaust side of the head..I ruled out oil issues since everything in the head is alright except the exhaust side.

[@emmanuellopez236]

VDub In Paradise that's crazy man. Did u see the jetta video?

[@martinhani855]

@@VdubInParadise if that ex. valve theory is right, then you should be happy , that you did not drop exhaust valves (2piece design). Have happened before...

[@slaughtertwo]

Bad exhaust guides and bad spring pressures.

[@g60tadam]

My man u cant weld the turbo wastegate shut.wastegate controls boost creating a max boost condition.

[@VdubInParadise]

Correct..but I did it to run an external wastegate to control my boost instead.

[@g60tadam]

@@VdubInParadise keep up the good work👍.check out @adamcalderon6 3076 on pro efi

[@joes.7536]

V-dub in Paradise is mostly correct. But technically I have seen race cars with no wastegate. Just a badass fuel system, a massive front mount intercooler, and methanol injection. It ran all the boost the turbo can run. For this to work properly though the turbo has to be perfectly sized for the motor and cylinder heads. And these are generally drag cars so heat is not as much of an issue.

[@southeastqldgoldhunter]

This is not from two step, oil starvation more likely. I know guys who run two step for years no problem. You got other problems some where bro.

[@VdubInParadise]

The man the legend Jason Oil starvation maybe..But I’ve been cautious about oil levels, I check it every time I use it. What type of 2-step do your buddies have? I know couple guys that run fuel cut and others that do both fuel and ignition cut. Those methods are pretty much harmless..

[@ziggysmk41.8t2]

Eurocustoms

[@southeastqldgoldhunter]

Fuel cut is pointless on a turbo car, because the idea of two step is to create boost. Ignition cut will ignite fuel in the exaust manifold causing the turbo to spool up so you can launch on boost. Fuel cut is used as a rev limiter to launch N/A cars. Modern golf R's GTI's etc use ignition cut launch control (aka 2 step) to get boost up to launch. If you used fuel cut 2 step on a turbo car it would not build boost and bog on take off. The damage to your top end would not have came from using 2 step but using 2 step with the problem would have caused the damage. How this helps mate 👍

[@londongoddamnit]

@@southeastqldgoldhunter This is interesting. It sounds a lot like antilag. Does that work the same way? I ask because I always see the Evos use it at the races, so I'd expect them to eventually have a lot of these same problems...

[@southeastqldgoldhunter]

@@londongoddamnit antilag is sort of different, some anti lag car actually inject fuel or nitrous into the exhaust manifold to spool the turbo up at low engine rpm. Sort of like a second combustion in the exhaust manifold. Not good for the manifold unless they are built for it.

[@coreycrosswhite8890]

That turbo so outdated

[@agustincalderon2237]

your engine starved on oil,,,, 2 step didnt damage the engine by itself...

[@jonrx7030]

do u know how cars work at all

[@swatcat7928]

This not from 2 step. You had other problems.

[@wakkampret2991]

Too much hi rev.

[@oldskoolsupra]

lol 2 step my ass

[@joshtheking1772]

Your two step was too heavily retarding your timing.

[@Thesaltymechanic]

Volkswagen*

[@kevinhawley3303]

to much revs......