Why You THINK You SUCK At PVM..(And How To Fix It!) - Runescape 3

[@NuzzNuzz]

I promise you aren't actually terrible at the game and I hope these tips can help you achieve all you want in PVM :)

[@rovosunny1687]

Does it help getting a gaming mouse for key binds? and do you use one?

[@roxaskinghearts]

No one can suck at runescape worst then me 20 year cape and still no max cape and the funny thing is i cant say i ever quit just took breaks to play other games

[@bigbrisk8423]

I'm mobile but pretty content with the bosses I can do the few I can't beat are like telos solak and glacor lol, if they gave me like 4 more hot keys for mobile I'd say I could probably do those ones with some practice but as of right now you can't make enough hotkeys on mobile, they just need to add a few more circle buttons lol

[@bigbrisk8423]

​@@roxaskingheartsim also 20 yrs, still 2 skills off max lol, farming and invention because they're expensive, but I did grind alot when I was in high school lmfao you'll get there, if you're like me ur probably still doing old xp stuff to lvl and nowdays it's kinda stupid easy to hit 99 if you do things from Lvling videos, our og ways are super slow xp compared to new stuff

[@ProtoxxGaming]

Bro stop merching my pvm tears wtf

[@joshuacarroll1758]

Lmao this is awkward 😅

[@cedricduval1992]

This Is the way

[@ollipantsukka7211]

I think the old wisdom of not compering yourself to others and just trying to improve your own kill times bit by bit is excellent tip here.

[@TroySixOh]

Man I struggled with Teraket in ED3 for days and days, after watching this video I killed him first try with food leftover. Massive W guide!

[@jakobfel2]

This is a video for me. I've always felt like I was bad at PVM (and RS combat in general), EoC made things a lot more tolerable for me in that regard but I've never been good at it. The free bossing events were really nice because I felt like I could actually try to enjoy some bosses without risking my cash. Thanks, I'll absolutely be trying some of these tips!

[@MegaChickenfish]

I've always just been utterly baffled at how people, using the exact same gear as me, get kills literally 3x faster or do something stupidly impossible like 4000% Telos with it while I only just patted myself on the back as a 16+ year vet with maxed stats and top of the line gear for managing to get tolerable at 100% Telos. That spreadsheet looks useful but I'll be honest I'm a bit confused by it as far as how to take that and turn it into a good revo bar. I imagine my dps would go up a lot without revo but all bosses for me fall into "weak enough it doesn't really matter my dps is a little lower" to "so convoluted that it takes all my effort to not die to mechanics I don't have any to spare for my rotation." 4:05 now that looks useful!

[@AnimosityMob]

I just learned full manual maybe 3 weeks ago after coming back to the game and it is a game changer. Take the leap and just learn it you will enjoy pve so much more. Also if you are using range one of the best items you can get to keep dps and learn to be better at combat are nightmare gauntlets and fleeting boots.

[@eddysanchez4596]

But is it possible on mobile …?

[@aaronw-arrior9974]

@@eddysanchez4596 yup just turn off manual spell casting so you can select abilities from your ability book directly. It took a lot of practice. But it is pretty fun if you get into it

[@Galimeer5]

Why Jagex removed the combat academy in Lumbridge still baffles me. The number one reason most new players quit the game is because combat is unintuitive and there's no tutorial for it. There _was_ a tutorial for it, but Jagex got rid of it. Granted, I never really got much out of it, but I played the EoC beta all the time before the full update went out (such fond memories of the NPCs that gave you free nex gear), so I learned how the system worked in its infancy, but that's a privilege that doesn't exist anymore. That and progression is prohibitively expensive. ~30M for a set of Armadyl armor sounds pretty cheap for someone who fights TzKal-Zuk, Solak, Raksha, and the Ambassador just for fun but that's bank-breaking for someone who's just starting to get into bossing. And then they see guides for bosses that say you should have 96 Herbalore and 92 Prayer? It doesn't sound too bad for people who've already reached 99, but that kind of thing is very discouraging.

[@seejoshrun1761]

Personally, I made a bunch of money from skilling before I ever got into pvm. That helped a lot as far as buying Tier-70 armor and Tier-80 weapons. There are ways to make over 1M/hr in many skills, sometimes several mil/hr, so it doesn't take too long unless you've only trained combat so far. I would recommend starting there, unless you really hate skilling. Making money from pvm gets significantly faster once you have that level of gear. Tier-70 armor with Tier-80 weapon is plenty for beginner to easy bosses, then you can gradually earn money from those to work up to better gear. If you can get to 86 herblore for super anti-fires (or 80-81 with boosts), QBD is a great choice. It's a much more consistent money maker than GWD1 since it's not reliant on rare drops. And it teaches you mechanics, which is great for transitioning to mid-level bosses. I learned QBD with no overloads/curses/perks/relics/familiar, just royal dhide and a lucky armadyl crossbow. It was hard, but doable with practice. Now QBD is a joke for me, but the mechanics I learned helped me learn Arch-Glacor faster, and will help with more bosses in the future.

[@Nathan-uo9yf]

For anyone thinking about trying some bossing, i have a little story if you care to read. I recently started zuk normal modes..I really struggled with sirenic/bis perk asc/eof…I got 3 kills after about 4 long nights of playing. I had over 40 deaths and as many teles out. I tried to camp ROD, but forgot several times costing more in death costs, but I ended up only losing around 8m for the whole session after claiming chest loots. I then switched to sea singers/dual cywirs/eof, and completed the next one with only one death, and got a 10m chest. This is the first time I had even tried animate dead/tank armor mage, and first time ever using cywirs, and I would highly highly highly recommend it to learners. I think this is how a defensive armor should work, it keeps you alive and let’s you work your way through a kill. If you mess up a mechanic, it’s extremely forgiving, allowing you to continue rather than dying constantly. This seems like a great way to get familiar with a boss, and transition to dps armor as you get more comfortable with mechanics. I consider myself bad at bossing, but I’m constantly improving because I make a point to put in the effort. Things I thought would be hard in the beginning, have become second nature now, allowing me to add more things into my rotation comfortably. Things like planted feet switch>vigour switch>death swift>ring switch>dual asc seemed impossible to me with keybinds, but now I don’t even think about the keys or what I’m doing, it’s just popping a death swiftness. I guess what I’m saying is that you can do more than you think, just start slow, add a ring switch here, keybind a mobile switch, just make some habits and build off of them. Good luck out there

[@merdasmerdas80]

if you need animate dead to do normal mode you suck at pvm, you probably camping revo++ everywhere, nm is easier than an elite dungeon, literaly you need to kill trash mobs with 15k hp and the challenges are 50k, dont even need to ulti, you are probably one of those guys that doesnt care for improvment and now, u gonna use animate everywhere instead of learning how to avoid the damage (which is almost zero in nm LOL)

[@bloodseekerey3700]

I came back to game after a long break :) .. had some gear on account .. ngl .. jump straight into raxx :D .. challanged myself to go for 300% cuz never did it . Was nice :P Learned how to do archglacor (330% highest atm hm) , kerapac normal .. and now im going for the big boy cape :D reached wave 15 and died cuz didnt know what was happening at the challange but next time the cape is mine ^^ .. got 120 herblore , some arch levels , went back to ports for full seasinger when i saw the prices :)))) . and now i want to get some titles .. killed 1700 daganoths and got a pet , started my first ever kophesh and i plan to try raksha soon :D tnx for great content .. it kinda motivates me to set bigger goals in game and go for them ^^

[@bloodseekerey3700]

Update . Got magister pet

[@cameronsmith1229]

I wish I could learn full manual, I have tourettes so if I have a tick I lose all damage in game for a few seconds, I have to go into everything super overheard to survive. Thank you for the revo advice, it helped a lot.

[@williewonka3574]

I miss RSC. It was a more simple and fair game.

[@1stviper1]

I haven't even started the video but based on the title I already know this is the video I need.

[@johnhammond4214]

Thanks for a great video - I'm a nervous PvMer with maxed stats and with the massive choice if abilities I never know what to use. Hopefully your guides will help!

[@bludreams4life]

I'm a nervous PVMer with max stats just now getting back in the swing of things, you can add me and we can suck together lol IGN is disastr12

[@HIIMPIEZ]

14yr-ish vet and I take big breaks between playing, usually around 4-6mo between, sometimes years. Runescape changes a lot and the meta is constantly evolving with stuff like invention, and now archeology. I'm pretty casual with 99 in melee stats, incl. def and HP, and there's just so many systems to remember and learn and I just don't have the time for it. I have good gear, t90 power armor, I think t85 weaps, and trying to play around the tick system with timed abilities and not knowing a lot of the new lingo really hinders my performance. Stuff like buying abilities is beyond me, since I don't even know what's good or useful, and I don't really wanna spend mills on what could potentially be mistakes would really debilitate my progress further, and those prospects, on top of death, really bring me down. I like revolution because it's a good safety net, and I can focus more on what's happening on screen, and communicating with my friends, than on micromanaging abilities; but hearing terms like revo++ just goes right over my head, plus I see that your ability bar is huge, and I don't know how you got it that big, or if that's what revo++ is. I apologize if this comes off as rude, but it's all very complicated with these crossing systems and investments of time and such

[@seejoshrun1761]

I'm with you. Personally, I'm adding those extra steps gradually and doing the bosses I feel comfortable with at my current level. Still on full revolution, only basic invention perks on my weapons, one ability bar at a time, haven't bought many abilities, etc. But I'm fine with that, even though it's not optimal.

[@Sagedevault]

Google "rs3 pvme" they have every question you could possibly answer and more there. In particular pvm progression guides and equipment/unlock progression guides

[@theblackout6661]

I don't like how there are so many different mechanics for each boss.

[@DiabeticGameGuy]

That tool you showed where we can adjust the revo bar was amazing. I went from an AADPT of 419 to 651. I don't exactly know what these numbers mean, but I assume higher is bettter and the new one is more than 55% more than what I had before watching this video.

[@nathanielnizard2163]

read your skills. They have different cds(so different uptimes) and different conditionnals and different damages. You just swapped your skills for a combination that does more damage when hitting the correct available one on gcd but there are more to that in rs3, revo is basically your afk dps so it's not a be all end all by any mean). There are things in mmos that are asymetrical, for example if you have access to temporal dmg buffs you may want to align them with your harder hitting abilities and also mb debuffs on the enemies, positionnals, swaps, etc... Welcome to pve.

[@joshuacarroll1758]

Can u time stamp it so I know I didn't miss it

[@DiabeticGameGuy]

@@joshuacarroll1758 Alex/NuzzNuzz put a link in the description. I can't paste it, but check out the description for the link after Reveolution bar maker.

[@yunsha9986]

@@nathanielnizard2163 PVM ffs, we never say PVE in runescape. It's an unwritten rule. No idea which donkey invented that word but yeah, runescape community will tell you to say PVM or gtfo.

[@williewonka3574]

Making anything more complicated doesn't make it more interesting or enjoyable to everyone. Those that enjoy it should have it. Those that don't enjoy it should have a viable comparable alternative. We all pay real money to play the game. We all don't get the same value for our money. Jagex seems to cater to the keyboard wizards and leave those that just want to be able to play the best they can hanging in the lurch. Revo should be the answer but it isn't. As it is it seems like it's Hooray for ME and the he77 with YOU. With YOU being those that just want to play.

[@Zieldak]

A friend of mine has a freaking Scythe they bought for a little over 400M, full Masterwork, 99 stats (aside from Magic and Ranged), 90 Summoning, 99 Prayer and access to curses, and an Amulet of Souls, access to overloads... and they can't even do Vindicta properly. Vindicta of all things. They kept saying they had to eat a ton of food per each kill and they could only do like 4 kills a trip max... I'll say it again, with max stats, in T90 gear. They used a Revo++ action bar with all the ultimates at front then tresholds then basics, and just let Revo++ do everything for them, not a single defensive ability anywhere. *sigh* Normally you can literally just outheal Vindicta with that kind of gear, so uh... he's a prodigy I guess. I told them the usual Vindicta tips, to start utilizing defensive abilities, bring a shield and all that, and told them to stop completely relying on Revo++, even offered to make them a better Revo++ bar if they are not willing to stop relying on it. Well, they listened to the defensive abilities part and started bringing a shield to res sometimes and now they could like 5-6 kills per trip, but uh, they still kept complaining they can't do Vindicta normally. So I went ahead, got their exact same gear, without a single aura or overload, and literally recorded myself doing a foodless kill with automatically triggered basics but manually used tresholds and abilities, showed them when to do what and explained why, and sent the video. The reply was "you make it look easy" and they continued doing sloppy kills without even trying to learn the boss... an entry-level one in terms of mechanics. So folks, don't be like them. If you're willing to learn, keep trying, you'll get good at PvM eventually. I still suck at PvM though, I can't even do Arch-Glacor above 250% or do Kerapac foodless smh.

[@foreverhungry84]

im nearly maxed out and i cant do vindicta

[@cameronclark3418]

I’m maxed combat and struggled at vindi until I brought mw spear and vamp scrimshaws. I no longer need food and just straight tank all the mechanics apart from flames with just augd bandos. Got log finished at 1185 kc. Highly recommend this to anyone learning, don’t bother with reso just tank and dps

[@mateschneller9497]

@@cameronclark3418 so you recommend "learners" to dont actually learn just facetank everything. yeah, that sounds like a perfect way to never improve

[@rjloaded8768]

@@cameronclark3418 it will greatly help you get further in pvm to learn mechanics although we all have to start somewhere. I'm still here for this because vindicta seems to be where i am limited to as well due to awful internet.

[@DetroitFisherman]

Trying to take a step back and relearn this game all over again

[@dylanking8294]

wow thanks for the existential shock about degrees and the impression of learning lol

[@flyerh]

You would have thought by now Jagex would come up with an onscreen warning if you make a bad choice on ability selection.

[@jf5297]

Nuzz Nuzz coming through with AMAZING content once again. Thank you SO MUCH

[@0ptimal]

Yea good to really try to figure out what ability rotation produces the most output. Like when I started arch glacor hard mode I was steady getting wrecked on the arms. I couldn't dps enough. I thought damn man I'm gonna have to level up more or something there's no way. But after trying over n over I noticed once in awhile I could get through pretty easily, so eventually I took note of what I was doing when that happened, and just kept doing it. I'm still a boss noob but so far I've noticed the dps difference between not knowing the optimal ability rotation (just winging it), and knowing what produces the most damage in a given situation is pretty big.

[@reilynn7891]

what are "the basic perks" in invention? theres like 500 perks when I look at the list of perks on the wiki. Which ones are "the basic ones" that will give me that 7% damage boost?

[@Aupexx]

People been soloing Nex since 2011. I still cant do it Maxed with all this advice, gear and stats. I really do just suck at PvM.

[@vikinggods9858]

Since I only play on my ironman, I feel like the progression in PVM is difficult to grasp. For example is it worth grinding out Kril to get full subjugation before getting t80 powerarmour from Helwyr and so on. Not to mention all of the different ability unlocks. I would love to see a video that would take you through a progression in gear and abilities for ironmen.

[@LogicKidroy]

Go watch Nooblet's Rs3 Ironman Series, all of these questions are answered there.

[@charlesknapp6662]

what about mobile i'm useing a chromebook os

[@Nam61KY]

I maxed several years ago without soul split. I do suck at pvm and mostly I am scared to go bossing or questing due to the end boss fights. All the stuff that requires switching around confuses the heck out of me. Your spreadsheet looks like a formula for the atomic bomb. Mostly I slay Dark Beasts and once in a while Airuts, Frosty dragons. I have no idea what the abilities are called but just use them randomly or by watching vidoes. I hate magic and gain xp by high alching. I rarely use prayers or defense abilities almost never. I am the biggest noob of all. I guess pvm/bossing/questing is out of the question for me :((

[@cheekyjebus5559]

Being that I play hardcore I'll have to just keep riding relatively high health, I won't be able to camp low and get them uber deeps

[@patrickhaupt5723]

Now I'm convinced. I'll never be any good at this game.

[@stevenponcho293]

I use wrack and piercing shot all the time. I use them when there are no other basics off cooldown. I'll give my bars. I never use revolution btw Binding shot, piercing shot, fragment shot, snipe. ricochet, needle strike, snapshot, rapid fire. Occasionally I use death swiftness and bombardment Impact, wrack, combust, dragon breath chain, conc blast, wild magic, asphix Occasionally I use sunshine

[@voxmagnus1556]

Thanks for this!

[@sarthakagarwal8964]

It shouldn't really happen, you are focused on wrong abilities. If you are forced to use wrack, use tuska instead a bit better dmg

[@leoaxiom]

As a legacy ui format player. Im pretty sure i cant run pvm... The modern layout doesnt make any sense to me

[@yellowbandit13]

First and foremost thank you for this video it was very informational! I was trying to mess around with the link Revolution Bar Maker you mentioned but it seems to be dead now?

[@pabloc4204]

Damm i didnt know eating took adrenaline away

[@drauc]

Nuzz at the beginning of the vid: "You think you suck at pvm, but you don't! You're just doing very simple things wrong!" Lmao

[@ZeroStas]

I just imagined low level pro PVM trains max level skiller

[@ambiguoususername2966]

Have any plans for part 2?

[@gobaith92]

i cant get to the ability bar maker like to redirect could you post another url to send im so sorry

[@aldovillarreal9572]

I literally ask my clan for advice as how I can get better at pvm. And they literally tell me to buy best gear and weapons and to buy all the damn abilities... like great you're going to lend me billions? I haven't played in 2 years!!!

[@YeoWeiXiong]

U can progressively buy decent gear and do low level bosses and eventually high level ones. You don't really need max gear to do so. Rotations are more important than any of that.

[@julioabarca7962]

Hey can you make a video about the revolution ability bar app that you mention on this video. That would be greatly appreciated and help a lot of people.

[@mrbonjangle]

In my opinion, for the early beginners the fight caves and Jad is a good boss to first learn switching. For more of a higher tier, Nex is a good boss to learn at, as she doesn’t take long to get the mechanics down.

[@theschnoz3385]

i can't even kill jad lol

[@demetrib9373]

Finally soloed raksha and got less than 4 minute raxi kill and i see your vids and still think i blow at pvm

[@wolfedout4099]

I am stubborn, I refuse to fully learn mechanics, there hasn't been one yet I could whack the boss hard enough to compensate

[@NeoAstrisk]

Man the trek to get soulsplit and curses seems the biggest gate into doing content. Im like 4 quests away and just lost all interest cause it sucked the energy from me.

[@TitanDru]

Most people don't get their prayer to 95 for that extra damage that's most of it that's what I struggled with not using my prayers

[@Gunmaster0619]

Hey Alex, thanks for this video man. I have a different kind of a problem I'd like your views on.. I just dont feel the motivation to PVM cuz its just way too much work (learning the mechanics and stuff.. and then doing that and getting stone spirits), and a lot of bosses just feel impossible (eg raksha). What do i do to get over this mentality?

[@Karpnado]

Thankfully Raksha has practice mode which helps a lot but if you're taking a huge leap like GWD2 bosses to Raksha then it could be indication you need to learn bosses in between like Rax, Nex, KK (although not that worth your time) and HM Arch Glacor are all cool bosses that will help you learn technique. Good luck, it won't be overnight for sure but I know you've got this if you set your mind to it :)

[@Nathan-uo9yf]

Try learning arch glacor..it’s very rewarding, and teaches almost all the base mechanics in an easy to learn way. You can learn mobility with surge/bd, shield switching to barricade/reflect/reso, weapon switching for minions, encourages good dps, can easily teach yourself prayer flicking here..and even more lol. Best part is that normal mode glacor is 100% safe deaths, it teleports you outside the arena if you die. Decent learner loot at the same time, and hard mode is just a more strict normal mode for the most part.

[@orange1soda]

Pvm in rs3 is just way to confusing there is just way to much switching this is the main reason the age group of this game is getting older and if they get new players they dont last long.the way there making the game its destined to eventually die.

[@WaldoBMC3]

Can u link the spread sheets? And ability bar sheet from Micky?

[@nalamonster963]

Idk how many of these vids I've watched & never got better. Only gwd1 bosses I can really camp for a whole instance, gw2 bosses I get 3-4kills a trip. I killed nex once with a death touched dart lol. I do have 1 kill for araxxi but that took like 40m in deaths before it happened & now can't get close. Best thing I've done is kill Qbd in 38sec lol.

[@ladyevie5876]

I feel like this video is solely for me hahaha been saying for the longest time how I suck at PVM 🤭😂

[@debbimor8003]

Even what he was trying to explain at the start confused me, I think I'll have to stick to skilling!💀

[@ladyevie5876]

@@debbimor8003 hahaha same

[@shadowgam]

i cant use the website does annyone knowe if its taken down

[@jlayman89]

First plug for that Revolution Calc by Micky I've seen and I'm glad. It's a phenomenal tool and I hope this gives it the attention it deserves. I think the one thing that might have been worth mentioning is people need to just not fear death. I'm even one of the worst at this, but throw yourself at a boss and know deaths are inevitable and you're trying to learn this new thing. You will mess up. It'll show you the areas you're messing up and give you a point to improve on. Damage > Staying alive when learning in RS. You'll learn to stay alive with time. Rs is a marathon, not a sprint. Die 20 times over a week learning a boss as you try to blast it down and you'll kill it twice as fast as you would if you focused on not dying with the kicker wing you'll still have likely died as much doing that. I've ever found I die less when learning as I just focus on damage first and surviving second.

[@esreveRGaming]

i cant get the fight button to work. im confused if im doing something wrong

[@jlayman89]

@@esreveRGaming I'm definitely not an expert on it, but I just tried to use it and it didn't work for me either. Probably worth reaching out to the creator of it to let them know. I had an issue I noticed once and they got back to me pretty quick and within a day had it figured out.

[@AngstOfCetra]

I kill so many furies an hour I still don’t know how I manage

[@ceceliaplata8718]

Revolution Bar Maker link brings you to an error page.

[@michaelcisneros9735]

I literally was looking for that Revo bar, need to optimize nihil semi afk bar, please don't make a guide on it but it's fun to use animate dead 3 Crypt bloom pieces, agro them around a corner, DPS them all at once with aoe, then pick up loot, surge two corners tagging them all again aoe loot repeat 😜

[@Chris-ky2vk]

You always talk about dps and abilities for bossing. Can this apply for doing slayer too? I play on mobile.

[@MegadethTillDeth]

Most of the mechanics can transfer straight over to slayer. Bossing is generally more intensive so thus the focus. If you can dps Nex, chances are you're good to go on 98% of mobs lol

[@Chris-ky2vk]

Ok ty

[@WaldoBMC3]

I use revo first 5 abilities

[@yispin]

Great Video!

[@NuzzNuzz]

Thanks! :D

[@djkang9222]

I've come to realize I don't suck at pvm. I'm bad at the all gear switching I need to do.

[@tylerreising7956]

thank you for this video

[@thegoaty6194]

I cant stand manual. So I refuse to do it. So I understand I will not be able to do some content. I think people need to just be more realistic with them selves, and understand what they are willing to do.

[@YeoWeiXiong]

You can definitely get alot more out of manual. That said, revo can be decent too! Just need to understand your abilities and put some thought into rotations

[@thegoaty6194]

yep. I also cant stand manual. I also dont play switchscape. so I am well aware the best I will ever do is mid level bosses.

[@macomueller]

Kerapac normal Mode but the kill is a hardmode kill lol

[@andrejsmoljakow4126]

Sooo I must say RuneScape PvM ist hard (harder than dark souls series) I try most of the bosses blind... And everytime I get killed more then 10 times (I watch guides .... ) At dark souls I didn't watched guides ...

[@rickvanderven2142]

bro you sounds like the dude from kitchen nightmares that servers the fried fat free cheese

[@MrTobbo]

I miss RSC.. Just click a mob and it dies lol

[@Equitine]

cause im 100 attempts in and still no zuk kill thats why i think i suck...and do suck

[@ImVxpour]

I'm just shit with keybinds

[@mahmoud.barakat]

I don’t even know ability names :)

[@hellcatchuck2723]

I think I suck at PvM because I am stuck on mobile for another month until my new PC comes. My ex poured Pepsi into my PC over 2 months ago and let me just warn you it ruins a computer quick fast and in a hurry. Stay safe out there fellas

[@joshuacarroll1758]

Your a king 🤴 🙏

[@AnkasaurusRexsGamingChannel]

before i watch i 100% am keen, like i got ripper demons for the first time as a task and i thought yeah im pretty high lvl got good gear kind perked etc killed one and died.... i have no clue why, what did i miss? why are they so fast!? lol anyway ill watch the vid

[@ryanhutchinson-jn7ep]

if i had a drop table nex would be rich.

[@spencerpabloralda3361]

Can you please make a guide for Legacy users. I played up until EOC came out and went to OSRS and finally coming back to RS3 but I refuse to use/learn EOC, so if the game is still offering Legacy could you make a guide for us OGs?

[@sleepyoufool1]

why would you come back to rs3 and refuse to use the main combat system it has? give it a go it will greatly improve your pvm experience

[@sarthakagarwal8964]

Legacy is there only as novelty, you can't really make any significant Progress in rs3 with legacy

[@patrickhaupt5723]

Wow, I really do suck. I had no idea that the order of abilities made a difference. I'm level 138 and still struggle with most bosses so I don't do many. Having to study spread sheets to play a gam is not my idea of fun. I just want to logon and play, not have to do research. I think I need a new game to play.

[@blufire70]

You thought all the ability names and effects were just, random for fun?

[@EvilMonk20]

I think I just suck at PvM and I don't know why. :P

[@kyle4386]

Nope,im just terrible.

[@Smurfyys]

If you're going to dks t90 armor is kinda wasting it just bring warpriest is gives a get buff where all incoming damage is reduced by 90% for a full set of 5 I believe. This works for me and I don't have t90 range or melee and I still kill all 3.

[@foreverhungry84]

that was my comment, i have since learned and use war priest now. im maxed out in all combat skills

[@sifugraham2918]

There are bad abilities? Lol ok. And yeah I don't want to die and stuff the food down lol

[@ambiguoususername2966]

Compared to other abilities, yea. But any ability is better than not using any at all :)

[@radientlight9210]

You mean I can't afk Kerapac or rax? 🤣 I worked so hard to get t92 mage weps and max mage gear and still am average 🤣 I'm also kinda burnt out especially with warm weather coming

[@4lifettime]

i mean thats nice and all but some people are just trash lol

[@thomaslb95]

How did u know I suck lol

[@jossremes5502]

They suck because they dont want to improve, is as simple as that

[@shutupack5389]

Of course noone wants to improve. The game is built on a terribly out of date engine, combat is an awful experience compared to the modern games many new players are playing simultaneously. The learning curve is beyond fighting-game levels of retarded. Not to mention that before all else is considered, the game mandates that you acclimate to having MINIMUM .6 seconds of lag between every click and action. The dominant voice in the community is of an aging playerbase that only seeks to perpetuate the current state of things in new updates. And why not? It will only benefit them. This is an inevitability in games with steep learning curves in tandem with poor factors for new player retainment. There is an extremely wide gap in knowledge between the most proficient and those who are not.

[@shutupack5389]

The same trite line of thinking "oh they're just lazy, they just don't want to, they have weak egos or adhd" is also extremely prevalent in discussion of fighting games, another group of games with quite steep learning curves and often built on poor code. People only repeat these tautologies to themselves because they don't know how the experience is for other people. Player demographics on the other hand do not lie.

[@jossremes5502]

@@shutupack5389 You are 100% right, but at the same time i'm not even remotely wrong, even tho the game engine sucks, is out of date and even i talk a lot about how bad it is for new players, that doesnt mean that you cant improve upon what you have. Im going to take myself as an example, as recently as yerterday i decided that i had enough of camping a single prayer, having a hard time at places like raksha and solak where i ran out of food constantly because of it, i went on youtube for a prayer flicking guide and slowly worked on it, the tools for improving are there, it is up to you if you want to do it or no.

[@YeoWeiXiong]

We do know but self-improvement is kinda needed for this game. Simply watching guides will not help people improve. You gotta get practice and understand stuff to become better. Rather than whining what is bad, the person usually did not reflect on oneself and also eager to blame something or someone else.

[@shutupack5389]

@@YeoWeiXiong Runescape's dwindling playerbase and poor reviews from newcomers don't lie. You can moralize the issue all you want and pin the issue of performance on someone's weak character (a way more dubious claim), but until you actually draw a realistic comparison, you're just pissing in the water like everybody else.

[@megalodon1738]

can i donate 2 barrows dyes for helm and legs, been looking at that body for way to long as this point. (yes this legit bothers me)

[@nergigante.]

I have a potato for a computer I want to learn but not on this potato. 🤣

[@krejdloc]

Are you playing the game on a 75 in. television screen? Just look at all the space you have with controls and pictures and stuff that has nothing to do with your motion in the game screen. If the game was that complicated when it came out and for years after it wouldn't be here today. My is guess is that a fighter jet pilot doesn't have that many distractions during a real life combat situation. I will repeat something that I've said many times over the years. Making something more and more and more complicated. Doesn't make it more and more and more interesting or more and more and more fun.

[@reaperz03]

People think they suck until you see you can afk almost 75% of bosses, but yeah the good stuff dont try xd

[@cameronclark3418]

Failed to mention anything to actually increase dps! Follow the exact bar set ups and still never seen over a 5k hit with t92 melee.

[@NuzzNuzz]

I talked about ability rotations, ability priorities, not overeating, switching to a ripper, getting the right perks/gear and linked a guide that shows you over 15+ ways to increase your dps including auras, perks, etc. The spreadsheet shows optimal ability order. With Perks, overloads,curses t92s, u should easily be hitting 5ks and probably much harder lol. Trying using the berserker aura or berserker ability rotations, you should see many 5ks, 10ks, and even higher.

[@mateschneller9497]

im calling bs on that my dude, most decent melee abilities very easily hit over 5k even with t80-85s with random budget perks

[@jockeolzzon1222]

lol...

[@krejdloc]

Btw............ the revo bar maker link doesnt work............ maybe you should delete this video.

[@DustyTheDog]

all of this convoluted crap is what makes EoC pvm really unenjoyable. The simplicity is why I like RS back in the day. There was no ability spamming, like in WoW. That all changed with EoC and the game isn't very fun, imo. I still play Legacy 99% of the time. You say, "you don't have to study this like it's a final exam", but that is exactly what you need to do. If you need to change the way you do things for each and every scenario, then you do indeed need to know what is most effective in each of those scenarios. Without having to double check for every little thing you do, memorizing like a final exam is the way to go. It's a game, not a class or job. Should be fun, not feel like school Gotta learn what each of the 50+ abilities do, and how they can interact with each other. You need to study up on gear effects, like amulets and rings, and the timing for switching. You need to study up on which potions to use, and when(like bombs). Which spells do what and when to use them which there are 3 spellbooks with 20+ spells each. You need to learn what divination is. Archeology is terribly complex. Invention takes leaning 3 skills to even begin, then learning that skill along with the other3 skills as they improve towards mastery, allowing for more Invention. Invention and it's perks are convoluted. You have perks like that mystery perk that do nothing. You have perks that reduce damage, when would these get used? Being there creates a stress about possible uses to someone who doesn't know which perks are useless. There are the quests you need to do in order to get access to major parts of these skills and spellbooks. EoC is just terrible to play in. I could go on. If weapons of the same tier do the same DPS, why wouldn't everyone just use the same weapon? Wy does attack speed even matter, if dps is the same between average and fast weapons? Why even have dual wielding and 2H weapons if they do the same DPS? Since DPS is literally ALL that people talk about in EoC, I think this is a valid question. You need to study which bosses are even susceptible to which abilities, like stuns and bleeds. Let's not forget that some of the suggested abilities cost 50+MILLION gp to unlock, with some at over 200M

[@YeoWeiXiong]

You can get better by understanding the game. For example, in pvm, it mainly works around the tick system. There are also guides everywhere to help with that. So don't be discouraged, quitters don't win:)

[@DustyTheDog]

@@YeoWeiXiong No. The lack of abilities was the reason I chose RS over WoW. Been playing the game for 17 years. I understand the game just fine, I just don't like how tedious it has become. It used to be fun to just grab the weapons and armor, then go to a boss. The game ticks are nothing new. There wasn't much benefit to PVM before eoc, but PKers used ticks before eoc to eat food and swap weapons, then special in the same tick. Tick abuse is nothing new. Now you need to spend a whole day preparing if you are trying something new. That just isn't what makes a fun game: watching and reading reviews. The game is nearly impossible to figure out solo. In the last 3 years, I've tried to get a number of my people to play. They quit in a week due to not understanding a thing about what is happening. I get made fun of so much that each and every other soul can just go away and disappear. I recently stopped talking to people in game, on Discord, or irl. It's not worth asking people for help with the game.

[@YeoWeiXiong]

@@DustyTheDog u could ask me for help. Add me in game B1B2

[@YeoWeiXiong]

@@DustyTheDog I guess I learnt the game very differently and with different people. Well

[@foreverhungry84]

my loser comment made the cut, ps i still suck

[@seminooblex8057]

Second

[@jayrandolph9328]

Eating doesn't use adren...wtf are you talking about lmfao

[@NuzzNuzz]

Yes eating food does use adrenaline while in combat. Blue blubber jellyfish and saradomin brews dont, but other foods do cost you adrenaline while in combat.

[@lencho2368]

First!!