Why Your Amp Sim Guitar Tones SUCK (and how to fix them!)

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Frightbox Recording

Frightbox Recording

Күн бұрын

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My amp sim guitar tones used to be terrible.
​I chased my tail for years, constantly comparing my guitar tone to what I heard on my favorite records and it was always demoralizing.
​I'd try every plugin and amp modeler under the sun, but nothing seemed to work. Sometimes I'd spend a ton of money and would end up with WORSE tone.
​But here's the funny thing...
​I used to only THINK that my tones were terrible. After learning the true secrets behind legit heavy music production, I realized that my amp sims and modelers weren't the problem.
​The problem was that I wasn't listening for and doing the right things when it came time to produce my music. I was hyper-focused on crap that DIDN'T ACTUALLY MATTER.
​I recently received an excellent email from a subscriber, Dominique, who's currently going through the exact same amp sim guitar tone HELL that I went through and his email struck a real chord with me.
​Dominique was kind enough to send me actual files of both his raw DI track and printed amp sim tones so I could dive deep and inspect his issues.
​Within seconds, I was able to detect his REAL Amp Sim Guitar Tone Issue and I decided to film a custom tutorial explaining what he can do to improve his results.
​Because so many of us deal with this issue (myself included), I've decided to provide you with this exact tutorial so you can avoid wasting unnecessary time fiddling with your amp sims for no reason. ​
​​In this tutorial, I explain and showcase why you're struggling with your amp sim guitar tones and how you can fix your issues once and for all.
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@FrightboxRecording
@FrightboxRecording Жыл бұрын
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@theperiidot
@theperiidot Жыл бұрын
How do I load them?
@FrightboxRecording
@FrightboxRecording Жыл бұрын
@@theperiidot Just use any IR loader. Many amp sims have IR loader built into them these days. The free Amped Roots by ML Sound Lab has an IR loader built into it already.
@theperiidot
@theperiidot Жыл бұрын
@@FrightboxRecording Yeah, I figured it out, thanks :) I didn't realise IRs were in WAV format so it threw me a bit
@MRVIDEOMASTER-yw1qw
@MRVIDEOMASTER-yw1qw Жыл бұрын
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@theperiidot
@theperiidot Жыл бұрын
@@MRVIDEOMASTER-yw1qw Skill issue
@TinkMcGathy
@TinkMcGathy Жыл бұрын
You’re forgetting to say one thing. The bass in the mix has a lot to do with guitar tone.
@almostliterally593
@almostliterally593 Жыл бұрын
Drums & vocals too.
@steffomca762
@steffomca762 Жыл бұрын
@@almostliterally593 especially drums
@pxtixntzero7127
@pxtixntzero7127 10 ай бұрын
Both sounds like amp sim tone amped roots has a distinct static fizzy sound. It's really hard to get that tight punchy impacty bouncy bassy emg tone
@johnbernardo8339
@johnbernardo8339 8 ай бұрын
This has been a huge problem as soon as I bring his bass irs all out of whack. Have a video that can help with that ?
@xtraspecialj
@xtraspecialj 8 ай бұрын
@@johnbernardo8339 cut some of the bass out of your guitars with an EQ. I usually cut my guitars between 70 and 100hz. Also cut your bass guitar between 30 and 40 hz as most people can't hear those frequencies and it just adds to the muddiness. Then just play around with the EQ on your guitars and bass to discover which frequencies sound the worst and cut those. With EQ's, cutting is often better than boosting, but either way, cut/boost in small amounts. Then, like he said in this video, always double track your guitars and hard pan each (and no, this does NOT mean you just record a part once and then duplicate it. That does nothing. You need to literally play the same part twice, insuring you play as tight and similarly as possible.). Then going through and editing your parts to be tight (never early, sometimes a bit late) is important. Me personally I have a tendency to play a bit early. I have no clue why, so I often have to go in and move my parts back a bit.
@josephconti9655
@josephconti9655 8 ай бұрын
Also for double tracking. Individually record each layer. Copy and pasting won’t result well.
@Nugtroen
@Nugtroen 26 күн бұрын
why? it's just wasting a time to play it twice 🤔
@justineaton6386
@justineaton6386 25 күн бұрын
@@Nugtroen Not the case, the small differences in timing helps widen the tone for a better wall of sound. There are VSTs that mimic double tracking, but the small differences in how hard you hit the strings, subtle bends and such aren't there.
@Nugtroen
@Nugtroen 25 күн бұрын
@@justineaton6386 wow thanks man for the explanation 👍👍👍
@tracyholder840
@tracyholder840 Жыл бұрын
I think one thing that possibly wasn't covered. The person that submitted the track didn't mention what output they were using. The reason they thought it sounded bad could be because they're using bad headphones or speakers. My tone sounds drastically different depending on what I'm listening to it through.
@ProfessorGroyper
@ProfessorGroyper Жыл бұрын
Never an issue. Chances are if they are listening to their favorite songs or stuff on youtube, they are doing it through the same stuff that they are making their tones with.
@LuLeBe
@LuLeBe Жыл бұрын
​@@ProfessorGroyper but it could still be that they think it doesn't work. I had this with my bass sections. Turned them way up to hear them through headphones and monitors. Sounded shit in the car. Then I realized my bass drum and bass just need more high end to be audible through small drivers without just being way too loud. It's really not clear what's meant by "my tone doesn't work in the mix".
@crowdkillproductions.
@crowdkillproductions. Жыл бұрын
Dude the last impulse you released a few months ago has been 100 percent my go to impulse. I'm excited to try these after work today :)
@crewd00d
@crewd00d Жыл бұрын
Great advice, this is all true and will massively impact the perceived tone in the full mix. I will add one more VERY IMPORTANT element to improving the perceived guitar tone in a metal mix: THE BASS TONE. It took me years to realize that my guitar tone was actually really good, but I was doing too much heavy lifting in the bass/low mids with it, and not enough with the actual bass guitar. Having that bass/subby support will make your guitar tone sound FULL and meaty, while the upper "twangy" or "gritty" parts of the bass will add bite and sizzle to the audible tone.
@petealba707
@petealba707 Жыл бұрын
Great tutorial. Love your IR's!!n I originally dismissed them because they were quieter than my other IRs. When I learned to volume match, I found them to be richer and smoother than the ones that came with my Mooer. In fact I've replaced all of the stock IR's with yours and a few others.
@slash196
@slash196 Жыл бұрын
Couple more things to make good amp sim sounds: 1. Run your DI through a pre-amp plugin BEFORE you hit the front end of the amp sim. I like Acoustica Gold, but the UAD 1073 or Waves Schepps 73 will also work fine. They add super-subtle harmonic saturation, and a lot of people put them at the END of their chain, where it's frankly inaudible most of the time. But if you add that color and density and THEN amp your sound, it makes a big difference. Ideally you'd be tracking through an excellent preamp, but if all you have is a focusrite or behringer this is the next best thing. 2. Good IRs. We all know this, but 99% of the difference between good amp sims and bad amp sims is IRs. Ownhammer, York Audio, Two Notes Wall of Sound are all top-flight options. 3. Low pass the fizz. Really important for heavy sounds through V30s, they sound like a can full of angry bees unless you cut everything about 10-12k. (You did this here but I want to emphasize it again). 4. At the very end of the chain, get something ORGANIC. Run it through outboard gear if you have any, through Acustica or other convolution-based processing, or a GOOD tape sim plugin if that's your only option. Make your guitar sound "touch grass" on the way into the master fader and you'll be amazed at the results.
@Hopkins132
@Hopkins132 Жыл бұрын
Facts
@kiillabytez
@kiillabytez 8 ай бұрын
Even better is running it with a direct box in front of an amp.
@TheMack
@TheMack Жыл бұрын
This is exactly the practical tips we need! Thank you! Subscribed!! Also, one thing I use to do for that really fatty sound is to quad-track, meaning to record not two guitar tracks, but four! Slamming!
@JTguitarlessons
@JTguitarlessons Жыл бұрын
This can work, but only if you're being extremely mindful of phase.
@TheMack
@TheMack Жыл бұрын
@@JTguitarlessons Thanks, this is important to remember!
@michaelrichardson8343
@michaelrichardson8343 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video Bobby. I think all of us have obsessed (or still do) over guitar tones. There’s no such thing as perfection and you’ll never be satisfied trying to achieve it. The tools are available more than ever to get absolute great results with amp sims. Your channel has been a huge inspiration for just getting stuff done and moving on instead of staying in the same rut of tone chasing. Thanks again for these tutorials!
@didymuskvist
@didymuskvist Жыл бұрын
I use the same Amped Roots plugin. I love it. For a while I was using your IR's but now I've been sticking with the IR's in the amp sim because they have that tone that I've always wanted.
@wojciechszeler2
@wojciechszeler2 Жыл бұрын
freeman fluff
@replicayouth
@replicayouth Жыл бұрын
Another great video, you are killing it with great info!!!
@qualiacontrol
@qualiacontrol Жыл бұрын
Really impressed with your setup man. I'm a noobie and seeing that massive EQ with all the tracks was boss! Instant subscribe with notifications turned to all 🤙
@roywennekes8548
@roywennekes8548 Жыл бұрын
Preach it Bobby, really useful video man! Once I discovered editing in Reaper, it was the greatest boost to my tone ever! Also, what really is important is a guitar that's perfectly in tune (same with the bass, 2 guitars and a bass perfectly in tune and on the grid just instantly sound pro...). So my guitar has an evertune bridge and that has sped up the recording process so much, I'm absolutely in love with it!
@purity6sic6mc
@purity6sic6mc Жыл бұрын
Always amazing source of great nuggets of information. Thanks bro for all the great knowledge you give us
@KnuckleheadMusician
@KnuckleheadMusician Жыл бұрын
Damn! Great content and really digging the instruction/ideas
@benjaminbovay10
@benjaminbovay10 Жыл бұрын
I confirm that these impulse response are great material ! Thumbs up well deserved as always 👍
@FateGathersStudios
@FateGathersStudios Жыл бұрын
Subscribing for sure... I love you made this video so fast after receiving the email. I concur, as soon as you played his track, i was like, umm, that sounds pretty f'in dope.
@KABINASTUDIOS
@KABINASTUDIOS Жыл бұрын
Yep, it was clear within three notes, that the problem is the sloopy playing. I would say another factor besides IRs and tight playing/editing are pickups. If they have to much bass it can easilly creat muddy, fuzzy tone. Tube screamer type pedal or heavy eq before amp solves this problem though.
@MrKlm34
@MrKlm34 Жыл бұрын
Great video Bobby, so much inspiring
@rome8180
@rome8180 Жыл бұрын
I've been mixing for around three years. Mostly my own music, but also some projects for friends. In that time, the thing that I've struggled with the most is guitars. I think my biggest issue in the past has been with having my guitars too bright and forward. I don't really do metal, but I do dense rock with distorted guitars. So a lot of the principles are the same, or at least I would think they would be. Anyway, when I've listened closely to the guitars in mixes I like, I've noticed that they're less fizzy, quieter, and farther back spatially than mine. So now I'm experimenting with mixing them a bit darker and quieter. For me, the challenging part is to not have them be too muddy, especially if I'm doing palm mutes. I do the Andy Sneap multi-band compressor trick, but I still find it's a tough balance to strike.
@rome8180
@rome8180 Жыл бұрын
Anyway, longwinded personal narrative aside, I just want to say that I love your channel. That's why I watch even though I'm not a metal guy. I love that you don't come across as arrogant or a rigid thinker. So many channels are just someone condescending telling you "Never do this" or "Always do this." I love your delivery.
@LuLeBe
@LuLeBe Жыл бұрын
Yeah for a recent project I've been working on guitar mixing a lot, to the point where I had different tracks set up for different parts of the mix and it still didn't sound good universally. It's so hard since I want everything: "presence in the high end", "not too harsh", "heavy and loud", "not drowning out the singer", "great bass", "not invading Bass territory", "wide and big", "focused" etc
@Mecha-ddafi
@Mecha-ddafi Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for this video, it was really helpful. Something I struggle with is after I double track and pan, it sounds pretty good, but then when I export to test it out on other speakers, it sounds too "busy" to the point where everything gets distorted. Particularly on a phone, which I know it's a bad way to listen, but I compare it to pro mixes and it's a noticeable difference.
@CrushingAxes
@CrushingAxes Жыл бұрын
I got the octopack ! Really cool stuff! I liked his tone too, perhaps I would suggest to hit the strings a little bit harder, but it sounds very nice!
@guitar_nerd
@guitar_nerd Жыл бұрын
great and helpful video!
@weslehman8606
@weslehman8606 Жыл бұрын
Great informative video! I too struggle with tone all the time. I’m not recording anything as of yet, but just chugging along with Metallica. One day it sounds awesome, next day not so much. I downloaded the roots free plugin and am waiting for my audio interface to arrive so I can dive into all that. One question, I also downloaded your free ir pack, is it compatible with the Flamma fx 100 multi fx pedal. Some work with it and some don’t. Thanks 🤘
@digitalmarketinghumans
@digitalmarketinghumans Жыл бұрын
Hello! When you say double track and pan them left and right, does this mean- two track guitar LEFT and two track guitar RIGHT? Not copy and paste but tracked playing the same thing but somewhat similar or is that just one track left and one track right?
@deanolium
@deanolium Жыл бұрын
Another thing is to make sure the guitars work in the context of the mix. If you have lots of heavy low end elements going on already on the track, then you want a brighter guitar sound with the lows pulled down. If there's vocals going on, then try and make sure the guitar tracks aren't too busy in that area. With the high-end fizz, you've got to consider the cymbals and the like - if they're busy and in that space, then you can pull that down on the guitar tone. Basically try and get a sense of balance across your mix.
@TheAlbumsThatMadeMe
@TheAlbumsThatMadeMe 6 ай бұрын
Hey man - really dig the free IR's - they sound awesome.
@Project-SILA
@Project-SILA Жыл бұрын
Bobby, great video. One thing really important to me was hear the guitar tone (double tracked and paned, just like you said) with the bass together because as a guitar player i made the mistake for a couple of years adding to much low end to the guitar tone and was pure s**t hahahahaha. Greetings bro, great content.
@MattyB3
@MattyB3 Жыл бұрын
Hey Bobby, just download your Octa pack amp Sims. I am just wondering what do you use for your impulse response loader in DAW. Thanks.
@Nitronium
@Nitronium Жыл бұрын
Was hoping you would cover/address/tackle input signal volume woes. Such as loudness and clipping from the source (E.g. Kemper) vs controlling the level(s) from within the DAW
@richardwahlers8594
@richardwahlers8594 Жыл бұрын
Yoooo wow this just showed up in my feed. You looked familiar. And it’s cause you did work with a band I was in 11 years ago. Good shit 🤙🏻
@diabeetus7132
@diabeetus7132 Жыл бұрын
I can't even think how much you've changed my mixing approach, Bobby! Thank you, dude! 🤘
@rambog1989
@rambog1989 Жыл бұрын
when i was new to guitar rec i couldn't understand the difference between the amp sound I hear by own ears, in the room, and the tone that works within the mix - the sound that the mic "hears" in front of a cab.
@djentlemann6663
@djentlemann6663 Жыл бұрын
I use Archetype Gojira in FL Studio recorded with an Ibanez M80M into a 2nd gen Scarlett Solo 2i2. I get some pretty decent tones down to about drop D but I want to record songs all the way down to drop E where any tone, setting, level you name it I've tried it, sounds like garbage. I've tried lowering gain everywhere, (on the guitar, interface and DAW) making sure my DI tracks are solid but no amount of fiddling and post EQ seems to help. I've even tried to Pre-EQ the DI track before putting it through Neural. Just wondering is it simply my bad interface that's causing the issue? Is it FL studio itself? Is it because im using studio headphones to find the tone and not proper monitors? Could it be the Lundgren pickups on my guitar? Any help much appreciated
@Scotty_AV
@Scotty_AV Жыл бұрын
hey dude, great video. subbed. Issue I'm having is a ton of hiss when my guitar fades out and just after I mute the strings. I can gate it, but I can hear it over the tone whilst its playing too, its just mased a bit by the riffage. Any idea what I could be doing wrong?
@davi90rtcb
@davi90rtcb Жыл бұрын
A good raw tone right at the start and the editing process make a great difference.
@FrightboxRecording
@FrightboxRecording Жыл бұрын
1000% bang on!
@seagers_studio
@seagers_studio 9 ай бұрын
Plenty of good advice here. There's plenty of improvements you can try before you hit the software too. Action and intonation to help tuning - and string gauge, pick choice and pickup height in the context of gain staging. I've recently optimised (lowered) my pickups and its made a world of difference to the sound of the guitar sims I use. More clarity and less harshness.
@CR3271
@CR3271 Жыл бұрын
Have you done any vids about stereo imaging? I don't think my base tone is bad, but it never seems my stereo field is as big as the pros. I double-track as close to the pocket as you mentioned in this vid, and I pan hard L/R. It's not enough. In various places I've read suggestions that the EQ slightly between L and R, but they never say exactly HOW. I've tried stereo enhancement plugins, but they seem to do very little. Any advice would be appreciated!
@godned74
@godned74 Ай бұрын
I have this issue where the signal will go jagged for a partial second. I cant tell if its comin from my pick ups or bad frets, or my cpu falling behind. when i look at the actual signal you'll see it look all jagged like a lightning bolt . mayby its from recording direct into the interface and not with an amp thats mic ed .. I dont know
@ShredzTheMetalHead
@ShredzTheMetalHead Жыл бұрын
Solid tone all be it maybe too much gain where the note definition isn't popping enough. I'd say roll it back just a bit and maybe pick a tad harder to compensate and it could make a world's difference. Also like you showed with the simple EQ, even just filters alone to get rid of that nasty digital noise on the top end and all the sub low build up, along with hard panning can make any tone what you need. Love these vids Bobby you really do make mixing simple as it should be \m/
@athomus
@athomus Жыл бұрын
Man, I've been playing guitar for almost 20 years but only now I decided to grow my Instagram and my KZbin. Your video just popped earlier here for me and I saved it as "Watch later". I just watched it and would like to say thanks! I try to not have it, but I sometimes get this "impostor syndrome" before/after recording and what you did here was so awesome and it looked so simple... that is experience in our faces! hahaha I'll stick to your channel and if you have any course/lessons I'd like to learn more from you! Cheers! :D
@FrightboxRecording
@FrightboxRecording Жыл бұрын
Happy to have been a help!
@Jadusart
@Jadusart 3 ай бұрын
Thanks dude. I think this is exactly what I'm going through too. I'm checking out Neural and Bogren trials and feel like they sound pretty bad. Gonna try using them in a mix and see how it changes. Using an Audient ID4 AI.
@therichardnogginproject9012
@therichardnogginproject9012 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this video. I am using the roots sim as well, i love everything from ML Soundlab. But I'm getting an annoying noise between silenced spots between chugs and if I gate too much it cuts my guitar off. Now, i don't have that problem on my headrush when I use custom plugins. So if i use those ony laptop amp sims it should fix it?
@DOUGLASaraujosoares
@DOUGLASaraujosoares Жыл бұрын
This video help me overcome some issues with understanding what are "right" sound of amp sim inside the box
@FrightboxRecording
@FrightboxRecording Жыл бұрын
Happy to hear that!
@derwilhelmovic1617
@derwilhelmovic1617 2 ай бұрын
I'm in desperate need for help. I also use the same amp sim and despite using a good audio interface (focusrite 2i2 3rd gen) my tone just sounds like a wall of noise and I get a constant buzzing despite also only using the amp's presets
@karlkitchen1382
@karlkitchen1382 Жыл бұрын
HUGE thanks for this. Question: at what points are you setting you LO cut and HI cut? I've been using LO cut at around 80-120 and HI cut at around 10K-12K. What are you using here? Thanks
@FrightboxRecording
@FrightboxRecording Жыл бұрын
Yup, I usually go for settings near-identical to the settings you described. If it's a tone that's overall fizzy, I'll sometimes low-pass down to 8-6Khz, but only in extreme cases.
@guitarlair
@guitarlair Жыл бұрын
That's so true... playing tight with the drums and the bass is absolutely essential when getting a good mix, specially because it will give your mix punch and frequencies won't be jumping around. I remember finding that out when I recorded some killer guitars but they sounded weird in the mix and I couldn't understand why, then I realized that one of the tracks was off tempo a little bit ahead of the other instruments, I basically just pulled it back into the grid and my mix changed completely.
@PeterKirkMusician
@PeterKirkMusician Жыл бұрын
How to get anything like lukather or Gilmore tho? Or anything clean/chorus?
@Eric-pc4yi
@Eric-pc4yi 5 ай бұрын
What is the reason you say to export tracks in mono? Huge thank you for the free IRs, btw. I think they sound nicer and more natural than most of what I've tried in ToneX.
@metatron333ascension
@metatron333ascension Жыл бұрын
i know from my personal experience we might hear a tone on a particular album and when our own tone doesnt get close to it we automatically think its sucks. Sometimes we dont realize that sometimes they are using multiple tones to create one sound. Also, another thing is if we prefer darker tones but current tone is brighter (or vice versa) we tend to say it sucks. Not really knowing how to articulate why because not experienced to determine those differences of brighter or darker tones.
@FrightboxRecording
@FrightboxRecording Жыл бұрын
exactly!
@OmnipotentSag
@OmnipotentSag Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it all sounded good. Is his input set to the right gain stage...somewhere above 12 and below 6db? -=80)
@benjaminthiele7474
@benjaminthiele7474 Жыл бұрын
Great video man 🎉
@Bthelick
@Bthelick Жыл бұрын
I really hope guitar cab tone moves beyond static impulses some day. There are dynamic sampling technologies available for years now (like volterra kernals) that can change dynamically much nearer the real thing.
@Rick_Johnson82
@Rick_Johnson82 10 ай бұрын
I have a 2014 presonus audio box. Is that why anything I plug in sounds like shit. Even if I plug in a cd player and try to record my favourite periphery song to play along it STILL sounds like shit!! Is it the audio box or my computer?? Fml.
@kellc1347
@kellc1347 Жыл бұрын
This channel has become one of the best recording instructional channels for metal!
@crowdkillproductions.
@crowdkillproductions. Жыл бұрын
Fucking fact.
@Trazodonemusic
@Trazodonemusic Жыл бұрын
This is THEE channel for metal production! I don't see anyone else exposing the stuff that's super easy but sounds hard
@heikkipt
@heikkipt Жыл бұрын
I think it has always been 😎
@kellc1347
@kellc1347 Жыл бұрын
@@Trazodonemusic Exactly 💯
@kellc1347
@kellc1347 Жыл бұрын
@Heikki P-T Absolutely i should have worded that it has become my favorite channel for metal after few yrs sifting through so many different channels.
@oinkooink
@oinkooink Жыл бұрын
My DI Tele sound straight into my RME is really muddy sounding before it even gets to an amp sim. I was surprised by how much low end mud a simple DI guitar has. I'm on neck pick up sure, but the mud just seems way excessive to me. Anyone concur?
@drkpocoyo
@drkpocoyo 6 ай бұрын
This video with your sharing is gold \m/ try to work with my guitar track and amp sim better
@redtoesmaster2931
@redtoesmaster2931 Жыл бұрын
Keep posting videos forever man! Even if you reposted I’d prolly watch it lol
@wolfninja1376
@wolfninja1376 Жыл бұрын
the video that plays when you get the ir's has a demo of a song that sounds pretty neat, is it released anywhere? does it have a name?
@FrightboxRecording
@FrightboxRecording Жыл бұрын
The demo is just a handful of riffs I wrote for these mixing vids...maybe it'll become a real song one day!
@kolicsmate7506
@kolicsmate7506 Жыл бұрын
Another thing I’d like to add is that a lot of guitarist (myself included) like to get the chuckiest tone from the get go but in reality in a full mix bass guitar will provide the low and the guitars will often be highpassed from around 60-250hz depending on the tuning. When we try to get the “perfect” tone while your mono track is soloed, we often add too much low end which can make the playing sound sloppy and can also mess up the dynamics.. that’s why amp sims are great, you can use a tone that’s comfortable for you when tracking, then in mixing just swap it with one that suits the mix better. Also, sometimes for a quad-tracked mix I like to combine 2 or even 3 different amps. Too many is probably not a great idea but they can add different qualities and favors to the full mix
@gr3y_eminence
@gr3y_eminence Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips, I like the idea of combining amps and quad tracking (yes it can get out of hand, but it's fun to experiment). I'm trying to start with bass first in my mixes lately, by translating left hand piano parts into proper basslines to provide support and structure. You are definitely right, bass guitar fills that frequency range in such a manner that extra low end on guitars sound mushy and creates a mess of the lower mid frequencies. In the past I would resort to EQ "surgery" to salvage things, but this is less than ideal. Better to dial it in thinner and add more to taste. I love this new domain of amp sims, they've matured to the point my outboard gear is not always needed.
@TheWarningRockBand
@TheWarningRockBand Жыл бұрын
Hey! I just wanted to say great video, I also wanted to ask how do you get barely any hiss sound from that much gain on your amp sim? I'm using Amped ROOTS and I get this annoying hiss sound because of the gain, turning the gain down still has some hiss.
@kennybrown9077
@kennybrown9077 Жыл бұрын
use noise gate , use the gojira amp sim from neural dsp 100 times better ots worth the money
@theofficialsock
@theofficialsock Жыл бұрын
Im here because of years of not getting di amp sim or live cab tones to sound good. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I really don't. My guitars sound nothing like any youtube video or tutorial just off the rip. Ive been mixing for a couple years now and have produced one ep for a band and I still don't know what I'm doing. How my rack is set up is I have a Composer Pro XL going into a Art TPII, going into my main the umc 1820. My guitars always go straight into the umc. the live mics always go into the umc. If im recording as session or just writing riffs the level is usually around -12, and bring it up later in the mix. I always have some static loud guitar tone. I cant get it out. No matter what eq or gain staging or anything. I have no Idea what is happening. Please help me homie
@yungstreichholz
@yungstreichholz Жыл бұрын
Why is every video of amp sims about metal guitars. Like there are so many genres that also use amps. i dont get it.
@recordedbybrandon
@recordedbybrandon 3 ай бұрын
Metal is the hardest sim to crack, high gain is much harder to emulate without harmonic distortion (what actually doesn’t happen in the digital realm) which is why a quality IR matters
@CandyPaintProductions
@CandyPaintProductions 2 ай бұрын
​@@recordedbybrandonnot true
@recordedbybrandon
@recordedbybrandon 2 ай бұрын
@@CandyPaintProductions Analog distortion has a "knee", while digital doesn't. When you go over the top level in digital, you go over the top level, and thats it. This produces different harmonics, yes, but you need not worry much about even and odd harmonics really. The distortion simply is harder in digital. The effect of this is that overdrive in digital format is instantly noticable, while in analog just touching the overdrive may go unnoticed. And different analog devices produces different distortion too. A tube on overdrive produces softer distortion than a transistor, and so does tape, which is why valve guitar amps sound better than transistor ones. And more importantly the speaker cabinet and mic placement have more to do with how your end sound will end up on the end record that everyone listens too, and these plugin companies claim they can do it all but it’s nothing more than a filter or a really complicated IR cheers
@jameslightningappleby
@jameslightningappleby 2 ай бұрын
​@@recordedbybrandonwot? Metal is so easy. Gain. Even before amp sims they were saturating their tone so much there was nothing natural about it. Amp sims are perfect for metal more than almost any other genre lol.
@jameslightningappleby
@jameslightningappleby 2 ай бұрын
​@@recordedbybrandonand ye I get your point about analogue distortion. Big secret. Only the players hear any difference when it comes to metal. It all just sounds hi gain lol. Much harder to get a good break up sound on an amp sim than an over saturated metal tone.
@dylankempthorne
@dylankempthorne Жыл бұрын
How would you pan a guitar solo? I know panning wide is usually the way to go but does that apply to solos as well?
@FrightboxRecording
@FrightboxRecording Жыл бұрын
Guitar solos are usually panned center. It's rhythms that sound odd up the center in most cases.
@dylankempthorne
@dylankempthorne Жыл бұрын
@@FrightboxRecording Ok i thought so. Appreciate the reply.
@sparemers8380
@sparemers8380 Жыл бұрын
This is great stuff.. im just a beginner player messing with plugins not recording (atm) is there a plug in to make what youre playing live come across as stereo hard left and right that would make it sound like its in a mix without being in one?
@wojciechszeler2
@wojciechszeler2 Жыл бұрын
archetype rabea?
@oppositemetx
@oppositemetx Жыл бұрын
when you say double track, you mean to track one guitar and hard pan it left. then re-track the same guitar part on a separate track and hard pan that one all the way right?
@thfdoch
@thfdoch Жыл бұрын
Yes that’s exactly what it means. Don’t copy and paste the same performance.
@flowgoi1741
@flowgoi1741 Жыл бұрын
All amp sims I try sound very quiet even when I raise gain/volume/output on the amp. The background noise gets louder but the guitar itself still plays so quiet and I can hardly hear it when playing over a song.
@bribradt3450
@bribradt3450 10 ай бұрын
The amp sim isn't the issue.
@stefanfyhn4668
@stefanfyhn4668 Жыл бұрын
Im often worried about my tone as it always seems so direct, even when multitracked and hard panned, but it might be a levels thing regarding the mix. Like my mix levels are too loud, leaving little headroom and then my guitars are either abrasive or not heard at all 😂
@sammyjaylove
@sammyjaylove 10 ай бұрын
why should we send stems in mono, not stereo? how do I do that when exporting?!
@FrightboxRecording
@FrightboxRecording 10 ай бұрын
Do you mean stems are tracks?
@nj1255
@nj1255 Жыл бұрын
The biggest issue I've found with many amateur guitarists is just what you said: sloppy playing (bad timing etc), weak picking and an inability to mute strings that aren't supposed to be played/heard. Especially the last one seems to be a big issue for many. This is unfortunately something that can't be "fixed in the mix", which some expect me to do. I would tell them that you can't polish a turd, but it seems like that idiom has been disproven so I need a new way to explain this to them.
@cliffanderson7544
@cliffanderson7544 Жыл бұрын
That guitar tone is crushing!! \m/
@GuitarSlayer136
@GuitarSlayer136 Жыл бұрын
That mix was 🔥
@whome806
@whome806 Жыл бұрын
If you want perfect guitar takes grid and then use vocal align to tighten the tightens even more
@information_paradox
@information_paradox Жыл бұрын
I recommend that people make their own impulse responses from their own gear. When I first started using IRs I was impressed by the tech, but I didn't like that I sounded like I was playing through someone else's gear. Making my own IRs largely alleviated that problem. I still haven't enjoyed any amp sims I've tried. I currently prefer to use an outboard preamp (like a Peavy Rockmaster or Mesa Studio Preamp).
@LeoHajder
@LeoHajder Жыл бұрын
dude... massive respect for this
@gradium6522
@gradium6522 Жыл бұрын
hola bobby .. soy de argentina! mi problema es que no puedo sacarle un buen sonido a guitarras de heavy metal afinadas en 440 .. estoy mezclando dos bandas que usan la afinacion estandard y no encuentro tutorial de guitarras de metal afinadas asi.. todos los que encuentro son drop d.. c.. etc. gracias por hacer tan buenos videos!!
@SameerBalasubrahmanyam
@SameerBalasubrahmanyam Жыл бұрын
what daw is he using in this video?
@Lesspaw41
@Lesspaw41 4 ай бұрын
My problem is Amp Sim Plugins dont sound good through my monitors. It cant be the monitors because I run my Stealth through them. Plus a Headrush Pedalboard at times.
@brentbailey5447
@brentbailey5447 Жыл бұрын
Who makes the best IRs. I have sooo many from different manufacturers I don't know what to use I could spend months going through my IRs and most of them sound the same. Since you say you need a good impulse response. Where do you get great IRs or what do you listen for. I'm sure I have good IRs and when I practice and play the tone is fine but on playback it is hot 🗑.
@crisadriano7412
@crisadriano7412 Жыл бұрын
This is great advice! New sub here!
@iseeu-fp9po
@iseeu-fp9po Жыл бұрын
Man, I've struggled much with the hizz and fizz of ampsims! Too much high end and it's just taxing on the ear. Not enough and the guitars become dull.
@arjunjsatheesh8899
@arjunjsatheesh8899 Жыл бұрын
Please do a in depth guitar editing tutorial
@sabtekmusic8967
@sabtekmusic8967 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video mate! What you say is so true. 😉
@neoconnor4395
@neoconnor4395 Жыл бұрын
Do I still need an impulse response if I use neural dsp archetypes? I've gotten multiple answers. It's really confusing.
@thespotlights9278
@thespotlights9278 Жыл бұрын
It has a built in cab sim section.... So, the impulse response is already there.
@neoconnor4395
@neoconnor4395 Жыл бұрын
@thespotlights9278 Yes, that's what I understood but then I've seen other videos suggest amp Sims sound like crap without an IR so I was like, "huh?" from being under the impression DSP archetypes were like any other amp sim
@ralphevers6319
@ralphevers6319 Жыл бұрын
I always fix my tone with an added tape saturator. But often it's not because the tone is thin or anything, just to find that tone that I find awesome, to give some idiosyncratic (as far as possible) flavour to my ampsimsound.
@guitarlair
@guitarlair Жыл бұрын
I usually throw some tape sat in the main bus of my mix after the compressor, the compressor makes everything glue together but the tape sat restores the organicity in the mix and also makes everything sound gnarlier.
@ralphevers6319
@ralphevers6319 Жыл бұрын
@@guitarlair Thanks for the tip!
@diarrheapool
@diarrheapool Жыл бұрын
double tracking and hard panning, OHHHHHH LORD YOU HAVE SAVED ME!!!!
@DravenZord
@DravenZord 11 ай бұрын
so, the issue I am running into is I am using a Line 6 Helix LT. as well as the Plug-in for the DAW as well. what is super strange. is live, my helix LT sounds unreal. going through my interface ( focusrite 2i2) everything sounds incredibly muddy and fizzy. but bypassing the LT and just using the Helix plugin itself, I still run into things sounding fizzy and muddy. it is INCREDIBLY annoying. I am using Presonus Eris E5 studio monitors as well. what makes even less sense, is I run into the same issues at my bands recording studio. we have top line Gear (not just saying that, we really do) and there we use a Kemper as the interface to plug the guitar into, then goes into the Line 6 helix plug in, and there I have the same issues of things sounding stupid muddy or fizzy. i just don't get it. what the eff am I doing wrong here, my dudes.
@DravenZord
@DravenZord 11 ай бұрын
I forgot to add that this issue I am having is before any recording is happening. its when I am using the Helix editor or Plugin to make new guitar sounds or edit my LT for new tones. for the LT i end up having to use a powered cab, to edit my sound, which then sounds amazing and how it does live. unfortunately when I use the plugin i dont have that luxury.
@bribradt3450
@bribradt3450 10 ай бұрын
You need a good impulse response ( digital cab) Or just mic up your actual cab if you like how it sounds
@Olyxes
@Olyxes Жыл бұрын
very cool. subbed
@kievitz
@kievitz Жыл бұрын
Thats a really solid guitar sound
@laszlototh6106
@laszlototh6106 Жыл бұрын
hey! cool vid thank you for that. my only question is about 7:25 in the vid. you say hard panning the guitars. thats ok i do that every time. but with different cabs and tones. thats a problem? cause my guitars sounds like they floats in the air every time and like i put reverb on it but i doesnt:D
@filterscape
@filterscape Жыл бұрын
Sounds like they are out of phase. Do some research on phasing issues caused by panning guitar tracks. You should be able to solve it with some troubleshooting tips you find online. My guess is the IRs (mics) in the panned tracks are out of phase. Can be solved. Just research it
@FrightboxRecording
@FrightboxRecording Жыл бұрын
Keep it simple and use the same stuff on both sides. No reason to make life complicated.
@laszlototh6106
@laszlototh6106 Жыл бұрын
@@filterscape thank you for the help! I will do my research:)
@jeremy_p
@jeremy_p Жыл бұрын
He may also not have a bass guitar in his mix which would also make the guitars sound weak.
@Ebi.
@Ebi. Жыл бұрын
Are dist rhythm guitars the only thing you use IRs on? I dont think I've ever seen people use them on things like leads or cleans.
@filterscape
@filterscape Жыл бұрын
Definitely can use them for clean and leads. Just experiment with them and research IRs suited for leads and clean.
@FrightboxRecording
@FrightboxRecording Жыл бұрын
It's not as big of a deal on cleans. Almost anything sounds good for cleans. I do use them on leads.
@brianbergmusic5288
@brianbergmusic5288 Жыл бұрын
IMO, I always use IRs on leads. It rounds out the trebles almost like a more musical LP filter. Taming these higher frequencies also means less processing on the delay and/or reverb.
@Ebi.
@Ebi. Жыл бұрын
@@FrightboxRecording Thanks Bobby!
@Ebi.
@Ebi. Жыл бұрын
@@filterscape Noted. Thanks.
@kievitz
@kievitz Жыл бұрын
Im using ADAM V5Ts for monitoring and that sound is not bad.
@robloyst4514
@robloyst4514 Жыл бұрын
A lot of times, my dual amp sim sounds just sound way too up front and plastic. Seems everyone else’s amp sims kinda sit back and you can just feel this width and depth too them. Like in your case. Almost sounds like there’s nice chorus on it. But there’s not. But I’m sloppy lol. Also seems a lot is the bass tone. But shit I just put bod and some comp on bass but it’s always boomy and bouncing around. Even when hard limited. I notice a lot of these demos, the bass is like almost more “felt” than heard.
@OnceAwakeOfficial
@OnceAwakeOfficial Жыл бұрын
Know exactly what you mean...Have you ever tried neural dsp paralax on your bass DI? With that you can compress only the lowend of the bass, compress it hard. There are some good presets to start with too (and make sure the bass is really well in tune and tight with the kickdrum)
@kingatheist7231
@kingatheist7231 Жыл бұрын
I scrunched my face hard to the solo guitar track. That's a good tone!
@BlazertronGames
@BlazertronGames Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I had this suspicion myself, that maybe it didn't sound "bad" or "digital" and it was just bad songwriting/rhythm/mixing. I think I was probably right!
@alrecks619
@alrecks619 Жыл бұрын
the guy's already sending in a solid guitar tone with properly leveled DI, but for double tracking, i think he's applying bit more gain than he should.
@FrightboxRecording
@FrightboxRecording Жыл бұрын
Depends on the genre and the style of riffing. Some players need more gain and guys/girls that really dig in need less gain.
@kievitz
@kievitz Жыл бұрын
What is he using for monitoring????? a big part right there.
@SongsFromTheTrenchesMain
@SongsFromTheTrenchesMain 2 ай бұрын
Thanks man!
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