'Wicked': Cynthia Erivo and Jon M. Chu on Creating Elphaba, the Party Scene and Getting Subversive

For TheWrap's longform Visionaries interview series, "Wicked" star Cynthia Erivo and director Jon M. Chu interview each other about the blockbuster adaptation, discussing how they created the character of Elphaba together, subverting expectations with their take on the story and they break down the "heartbreaking" party scene.
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[@d.nichole99]

49 minutes??? Loooooove that for me!

[@mjanmarino]

SAME. I have been watching all the long-form Cynthia content I can find haha.

[@TimelessTIsMe]

@@mjanmarinoI thought I was the only one 😂😂😂

[@TimelessTIsMe]

Same 😂😂😂

[@pinklemonade6597]

@@mjanmarinoyou’re just like me fr😭

[@Blue_Astrid]

Her voice 😊

[@carlalussini]

I know the narrative has been "Thank God Cynthia and Ari were there to interject and save the movie" but it feels more like "how wonderful he isn't a fragile ego-ed, totalitarian director and instead has a collaborative perspective, picking the better ideas even if it weren't his".

[@pinklemonade6597]

This!

[@languorfellaway]

yeah i’ve been thinking this… i do admit to having mixed feelings on some of jon’s visual choices in his movies but his management, drive, and building of a flourishing creative environment is exemplary. and he grows with each film! i’m always interested to see what he’s doing next

[@chaerin_gzb2409]

Preach 🙌🏼

[@Katttttt00]

Yes he seems like an amazing person to work for

[@tafaisilipa5512]

I think Lin Manuel Miranda spilled the T to Stephen Schwartz about Jon when Stephen asked Lin what it was like working with Jon that Jon was mad collaborative and that he dreams BIG.

[@jamesk8s1]

She is so aware that someone could be behind a camera for hours and hours and no one has even said "hello"....she knows that everyone is working hard....and wants to acknowledge them....this IS a VERY high being. Both are truly high beings, artists above and beyond the every day, visionaries......just magical!

[@echakamonjok]

Agreed. A very special human being.😭

[@nathanielleeson7263]

That's Capricorn magic for ya!

[@firewheels90]

I've been in the theatre community on/off since I was a kid. Only a handful of people have actually acknowledged everyone that is involved in the "magic." I truly lean toward those individuals.

[@jamesk8s1]

@@echakamonjok 🙌

[@jamesk8s1]

@@firewheels90 Beings of evolved consciousness are like this. I"m not religious, but I listen to many various wisdom and consciousness "teachers". The Dali Lama, wherever he stays, he stops and talks to all the hotel staff, maids, service people and treats them just as highly as he does world dignitaries. I don't think people who are great artists at the level of Cynthia get there thru a single life time; from her treatment and care of others, her attention to very fine minute detail, she seems to be a being of heightened consciousness for sure...thank you for sharing! I so admire the world of actors/theater. 🙌

[@IsabelS_Fuyu]

Give Jon M Chu more diverse movies to direct this man is honestly an underrated master!!!

[@djdrybones]

this is what a director - lead actor relationship should look like 👀

[@kendrafeels]

I love this era of in depth interviews. Humans are craving connection now more than ever!

[@catspece4933]

But the film is layered and makes me hungry to know the creative process that went on. And it seems there was a common theme of personal involvement and commitment to the truth of it.

[@cammyt9030]

So true! I'm not satisfied with superficial and surface level details anymore, I like the dissection of every single element and the thought process behind it, such a stunning film on every level, and I just want to know more & more as it's a cinematic feat! I don't think we've had a spectacle of this scale on the big screen in a long time

[@Geffect-Foundr]

This is how movies are meant to be like, a work of art not just marketing. They are making being learned and a pro look very sexy. I am smitten.♥♥❤‍🔥🥰

[@Rosannasfriend]

She took reciting this spell so seriously, so that she can say with such conviction! And people say she doesn’t deserve the Oscar?! Please! Whether She wins or not, she was worthy of the nomination if she gets it. She was worthy of the win if she got it.

[@d.nichole99]

You can tell they really built a relationship with each other not only professionally but personally as well. The amount of trust it takes on both ends it takes to make something of this magnitude and make it WELL… man! I love hearing the thoughts and ideas that go into making things like this a reality. This is such a beautiful thing to witness

[@chiqqn.nuqqet]

Jon chu is so handsome and I didn’t know he was so tall and dapper

[@TheCatsMe00w]

You know I do not think I have heard a celebrity describe auditory overstimulation before (@9:06) here is hoping this makes people more sympathetic to us able to hear everything at once. Edit to add: I am now crying over Cynthia feeling safe to express her sensory issues and Jon helping her to hear him. No one has ever done that for me. literally sobbing over him giving grace.

[@lm86531]

As much as I love the lighter fun cast interviews, it's wonderful to get this longer interview. It's such a pleasure to hear Cynthia and Jon describing all of the care and attention that went into the film. They're both incredibly talented, but it's good to be reminded that they also work extremely hard in order to produce the best possible results.

[@Rosannasfriend]

Even the way she plays her rejection of the chance to “degreenify herself”, so much nuance was put into it. So much great decision-making there. Such great acting that I think has been taken for granted by a lot of People so much.

[@Geffect-Foundr]

she's a professional showing us students how its done. 💘I am kept.

[@VictoriaTamiaJames]

I really love her style during this promotion of the film. She is constantly in character through her fashion. I absolutely love it! I see so many people make these negative comments about her and it mirrors the negativity that her character receives in the film. Art imitating life. Life imitating art.She is a true creative! A true artist! And so is our team.

[@yokoohellno]

I really enjoyed this. I could listen to cynthia talk all day.

[@Sweetkimmmy00]

I love how long this is! I want more more more of these 2 ❤🎉

[@libena1973]

Yessss!

[@19Lirael]

"The truth is in the darkness. The lie is in the light." 🤯 I absolutely loved every minute of this conversation between them. The amount of depth and energy they invested in each little detail of this movie is so awe-inspiring and beautiful! 🤩 They deserve all the respect and accolades. 👏🏼 And her shoes are 🔥.

[@libena1973]

Cynthia is otherworldly in the best way possible.

[@msvirtue]

The shoes are EVERYTHING Cynt! Damn!!!

[@lanisemckenzie5011]

Cynthia: "Heartbreak is always bigger when joy comes befofe it." Jon: "And joy without heartbreak is naive."

[@BethanyBingham-v5k]

I love that you are sharing the dichotomy between passive and active “wickedness.” I am a mitigation specialist who works with the indigent population accused of crimes, some very serious and violent accusations. And working with these humans and helping them find themselves again, and analyze where are places that I was forced into wickedness and where along the way did I abandon myself and begin to choose that wickedness is so important. I can hold space for the responsibility I take for my actions, while recognizing and forgiving those who have caused me harm as well. Thank you for using art to so beautifully reflect the human experience.

[@thesaraheffect]

Bethany. This was a lovely thing for me to read in this moment, thank you. Thank you for giving me that tiny glimpse, I can only imagine how much more you've observed, learned, and still are trying to understand about what you're seeing and experiencing in your work. If you can say so much in a few sentences, I would love to sit down for hours with you because I just know you have so much more to say, so many stories and examples that I think would blow my mind wide open - and challenge my own perspectives. Keep doing your work and sharing things like this. ❤️

[@saragiraldo6913]

Oh Cynthia is SUCH a clarinet player (complimentary) makes so much sense.

[@arevolutionoflove]

Omg I was feeling the same thing as a childhood clarinet player 😊 I also feel like if I ever played strings, it would be a viola

[@Sam4G0d]

I loved every 49 minutes of this.

[@rmcmariusable]

Loved this. Cynthia's shoe game NEVER disappoints❤️These are currently my two favorite people. I want to hang out with them.

[@sharkiealami7817]

So you hate Ariana?

[@rmcmariusable]

​​@@sharkiealami7817Is Ariana part of this conversation?

[@cammyt9030]

I love how Cynthia calls herself a weirdo, same here, and there's no shame in it at all.😉 What i love about this interview is Jon is fascinated, in awe, and marvelling at an actress he selected, who he's just finished working with for two years, and Cynthia is still finding new ways to impress & surprise Jon just by being herself. I feel like Jon is thinking,'I knew i picked a great cast but they've exceeded all my expectations'. He's genuinely inspired by & in awe of Cynthia's talent & it's lovely to watch the trust & gratitude they have for each other. What a down to earth director!

[@VonnieCee13]

Cynthia sings to my SOUL!!! She made wicked unforgettable

[@sarahmitchell4455]

Especially I'm not that girl

[@msmith7795]

She was also great in the movie "Harriet" (and got an Oscar nod for that)👍🏾❤️

[@Geffect-Foundr]

So I need to surrender myself to myself. Wow! I must go watch wicked again, I loved the movie, me personally I will admit I cried and felt relived and I left all my shadows in the movie theatre and returned home with a light heart. I had had a great day since, this is what is meant for - for educating, informing, sharing and togetherness.😘💐♥😍Please produce more screens guys, we look forward to discovering more of your work and creativity and production.

[@mphprepo]

Great, special movies, only work when everyone involved has their hearts and souls in it. And it shows. And Wicked is so beautiful. Cynthia understands Elpheba so deeply, she's amazing!

[@KCNwokoye]

I can listen to Cynthia all day. Such a beautiful spirit. I'm going to watch wicked today for the 5th time.

[@sarahmitchell4455]

Jealous!!!

[@sexcess1]

I am so glad they mentioned the spell being recited. That part was of worldly and felt religious almost in a weird kind of way it was very visible for me. She was coming into her power as she said those words and I felt it through the screen. Makes me want to memorize it just for shits and giggles and be able to recite it for dramatic effect

[@saritatee3322]

Jon M chu is the man. I met him in Sydney for the GI Joe premiere back in 2014, lovely human. You just get a warm feeling from him and genuineness. He deserves all the accolades for the astonishing work on the masterpiece that is Wicked! 💚

[@susanpattison5043]

Cynthia the Queen played the Queen as a child. How fitting for this phenomenally talented and amazing woman 💚💚💚

[@moisescarbajal]

I could hear Cynthia speak all day ☺️ the amount of thought and detail she sees is incredible 🤩

[@cyndilenz9158]

Jon’s heart is everything

[@jordancortezzz]

I loved the Wicked movie so much that I've been looking for ANYthing press-related! The fact that this is almost an hour long is everything to me 😭

[@DevaNeeramanii]

I absolutely LOVED that she gave Elphaba a strong sense of self and identity. It didn't matter what anyone else thought, she knew who she was. And the little details like having jewelry, and well-tailored clothes and manicured nails and the poise and grace and beauty...spoke to still being a part of and belonging in that world and society eventhough she was so very different, physically.

[@jerrymietejano1117]

I can listen to Cynthia talk all day! ❤

[@misst1078]

I need more of this! I love Jon and Cynthia.

[@j.suis9668]

Omg… THOSE SHOES~ ✨😍✨

[@Familylawgroup]

Given how much work goes into a single day of this movie, let alone a week, I wish they had made a week in the life series from Cynthia, Ari, Jon Chu and choreographer and costume designer. We hear ABOUT LONG days but I don’t think people who don’t work in the industry would comprehend how exhausting the process of making a movie like this is for the crew ans the cast. I don’t know how they kept their energy up...they aren't young kids but grown women and men. Amazing result but I want more interviews like this for the future generations to study.

[@deecal4104]

She is so confident and so humble simultaneously 💚

[@ricardocintron3954]

Cynthia my love - I ADORE YOU times infinity ♾️!! I’ve been a fan since Harriet, and that is when I started looking you up and listening to that beautiful voice - - and once I saw wicked …. You became my all time favorite actress/person …. I LOVE that us/I feeling your music and feeling connected is ADDICTING to you, I love how you love tapping into our souls -

[@stephwallyter]

It brought tears to my eyes as Jon mentioned his story of the haunted house for the other grades he was a part of. I myself had the same opportunity when I was in fifth grade except mine wasn’t as big of a success It just reminded me of my own experience with our haunted house. I had loved watching all different shows and movies and I wanted so badly to be a part of all the action I was witnessing. I developed such a love for it and it was an obsession for me as kid to be doing sing and dance alongs and being introduced to broadway. I ended up getting picked to be included in our after school Halloween haunted house when I was in fifth grade. I was going to be one of two girls who held and waved balloons up and down very creepily in a corner. We had to have our hair covering our face and wearing all black and I practiced that little part for weeks making sure every angle was perfect. My mom was a single mom trying to provide for me but she lacked in the area of actually knowing me and the things I enjoyed. When I first told her they wanted me in it and how excited I was for the show and that she could come and see me do it, she brushed me off and didn’t take me seriously when I told her I wanted to be a part of it. As a matter of fact if I remember correctly she almost didn’t let me be a part of it because she’d have to pick me up later than usual. I remember us definitely arguing about it and I pushed so hard for her to let me and she eventually gave in and I was very grateful for that. The main issue though was since it was a haunted house we needed all black clothing. The day prior I had been practicing in my school clothes and until that same night before the first show; I hadn’t noticed I didn’t have an all black shirt. I begged my mom to take me to the store quickly that night or if she had one it could just be worn as a dress but she didn’t. She didn’t take me to the store either and I vividly remember having a breakdown. I was a complete mess rummaging through every drawer because it just wasn’t going to be perfect without a full black outfit and I was so upset. The day of the first show I ended up having to wear a high school musical shirt that was black and they almost didn’t let me be in it because of the print on the front (Now that im remembering this story this could’ve been avoided had I just worn the shirt backwards but nobody brought up that idea and I didn’t think of it myself so bummer). I started sobbing when they were upset with me about the shirt because I too myself was also devastated. They had someone else sit in for me while everyone searched for a black shirt and they couldn’t find one (yelling at little me like “GIRL FLIP THE DAMN SHIRT INSIDE OUT). Out of pity they let me hold the balloon for the last 10 minutes but when I tell you just those 10 minutes alone changed my life. I remember every reaction we got from the last few people coming through(some made fun of my high school musical shirt but that’s besides the point.) The screams from the other jump scares and just the ambience of actually being a part of the show was a feeling I’d never forget. Ever since then I’ve been heavily obsessed with theater and writing fantasy and it’s my dream to be in the stage scene and just create beautiful experiences . I had so much passion but I also a struggling mother who was fighting her own demons and she didn’t realize I was starting to develop my own at such a young age. In a way she did hold me back. I ended up not really doing any theater throughout middle school because I felt mostly disillusioned and unsupported. In high school I took a drama class that will forever sit with me and it enabled that love I had always had with this industry. I auditioned for every play (they did wicked and I was a munchkin!!!) and I enjoyed every second of that class to its full extent. In fact in 10th grade during that theater class we also had a haunted house. It was a lot more elaborate and was not going to be on a stage but it would be set up in the hallway of the theater class which was really long and winded. I auditioned for a role but instead they needed me for set production so I was mostly behind the scenes in this one. Still every night at set up I felt so enamored with producing and being a part of it, it felt like home being a part of the troupe. It felt like little me was alive and thriving. Hearing Jon’s story of his own haunted house literally brought the memory back from the graveyard for me of my own experience and I JUST stopped sobbing because of it(it’s been like 40 minutes since I started.) As a now 25 year old I regret letting those dreams fizzle the way they did. I wish I had more support and more encouragement to keep going and it’s something I still currently struggle with. I’m currently in the process of writing multiple plays and fantasy books which are all very underdeveloped but I will be my own voice this time. I want to create beautiful stories and I don’t want to be limited by anything anymore. I want to fully captivate my creative essence and give justice to the little girl in me who was drowned out by all the noise. Wicked has not only awaken the emotions of the past for me but has given me so much hope for what I can do in the future and I will hold that in my soul till the end for good. Thank you for reading this far if you have 🫰🏻

[@hannahrowe21]

I could listen to Cynthia talk foreverrrrr. Living for all of these interviews🩷💚

[@ElijahPlus_Media]

This is the AMOUNT of detail I really would have wished this was added to the Live Action Beauty and the Beast (and other live action remakes that Disney made, I have a select few that they were good) Disney has great stories but its about how you can uplift the story without making it feel off or "modern" just because. you can tell at least from the directors and actors in 'Wicked' really cared for the story. they really appreciated and/or related to the characters to tell their version of the character that gives another dimension of the story. I truly believe that if Disney takes a page from Wicked the can have successful live action boots over and over and over again. For Instance Beauty and the Beast's Belle didn't feel like Belle the added plot about her wanting to know about her mom wasn't fitting well -- the Beast (Prince Adam) didn't really have the greatest character development throughout the movie like the animation did. there's so many things that felt like its OG predecessor but there were A LOT of moments where things were added that didn't fit the narrative of the story.

[@ashsundarakumar2818]

That was so incredibly real and moving. Was honestly the best conversation I've seen between two creative people talking about a shared experience. Put me in such a great mood. :D How wholesome. ❤

[@gjford1951]

The conversation Jon M Chu has with Sean Levy (director of Deadpool and Wolverine) is also moving. I highly recommend it. (On youtube)

[@JamieLVerdade]

Jon Chu, you’re amazing, you’re so full of amazing brilliant direction. Cynthia Erivo, you are an absolute talent, a beautiful beautiful performer, an icon. A powerhouse. This movie was just so moving. So many emotional moments. I really just felt every single moment. Movie of the decade but this movie tops all movies I’ve ever seen. Thank you all for this🫶🏼💚🩷

[@Pike-j2r]

Your version of wicked was beautiful. Thank you you so much! We love the movie 💚🩷!!

[@melainerowland4172]

That was so beautiful! I could feel the love and respect that they have for each other and that it’s true! I love you both!! 💚🩷💚🩷

[@Anonymous18531]

That condition Cynthia describes about seeing color with notes is synesthesia. Very cool! I knew a guy in my college singing group with synesthesia. He would know when the note was off pitch, but not necessarily whether it was sharp or flat because the colors weren’t in any particular order relative to the order of the notes. 😅

[@Cynthia-ig7yo]

Please these two back after Wicked Part 2 drops, thanks in advance!

[@ashantiwhite8078]

Such an incredible, introspective, expanding interview! Looking forward to the next movie 🎥! Thank you! Cynthia and John! 😢

[@christinaalaniz1999]

Those heels are everything!!!

[@blackhole4101]

This video should have been 10 hrs long honestly 😭

[@radiatewellco]

I just love this conversation, it feels very thoughtful and genuine.

[@Familylawgroup]

I appreciate her acknowledgement of crewmembers. I would love to hear interviews from various crew bout working on this cinematic miracle. Fifty tears from now, museums will be desperate for crew details and treasures.

[@didyoupeep4546]

I love how she always has some kind of nod to a witch in her interview wardrobe IE these shoes lol Love me some Cynthia ❤

[@macronato]

Wow, what an amazing discussion:) So good!

[@tafaisilipa5512]

Nobody could've played Elphaba the way Cynthia did. I did a deep dive into everything Wicked (my fav was a Korean interview with the cast after the Australian premiere), watching EVERYTHING leading up to the American premiere. I watched Cyn in "Harriet" as Harriet Tubman. She also played Celie in 'The Color Purple". So she has experience playing ugly and playing a slave. Plus, she's a queer black woman so she has life experience being oppressed and receiving hate and anger because of the color of her skin. And we have Jon to thank for casting Cynthia, a Brown Being, in the lead and Michelle Yeoh as Madame Morrible. Had the director been white, the film would've been LOUSY with white actors. A white Elphaba, a white little Elphaba and a white Madame Morrible and white background actors. Just white, white, white. Like the Broadway musical. So mahalo Jon, for casting the film the way you did. I feel seen and represented. Congratulations. You did that. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@lykab10]

💯

[@tafaisilipa5512]

Mahalo ​@@lykab10

[@syeniajones8384]

When she said she played the clarinet I almost screamed,I've never felt so seen and understood in my life.🤣🥲🫂

[@leilanovak2185]

she is so cuuuuute 🥺🥺🥺

[@zacharitee]

My Goodness, He deserves the Oscar. The Awards. Masterpiece!

[@FataLity1200]

just amazing. WE WANT MORE OF THEM

[@UrbanReki2751]

It's interesting to hear Cynthia's words on Elphi sacrificing her dream of being degreenified to save the animals. I thought by that point in the film, she'd already found a sense of acceptance in herself and saving the animals was her new desire. I knew her dream was to fit in and that she knew her green skin is what's keeping that from happening, but I always though she herself never had a problem with being green. Like if nobody treated her differently, she wouldn't care to change it.

[@albalopez2082]

In The Wizard and I she talks about him degreenifying her. She definitely wants it, even if she has accepted that she’s green. She wants to be accepted by everyone else too.

[@SimoneStern1]

I honestly kinda had that interpretation too. Not that she never wanted to stop being green but that she had finally gotten enough love (not despite but because of her difference) at the ozdust scene that she was willing to give up the hope that maybe her family would finally see her differently without green skin.

[@deanna.forbes]

I'm so glad you brought this up! I think that in the Wizard and I, she clearly tells us that what she wants is to be de-greenified, but it had always felt like an impossibility. She believes that the wizard knows the desires of her heart and that HE would bring it up without her having to ask for it. So when she meets him and his version of her is still green? Ugh, I'm crying as I type this... She is devastated. Either he doesn't know the desires of her heart or being de-greenified IS too much to ask for. In that moment her dream dies and she switches her ask to the plight of the Animals. Which is very selfless in that moment but I think she was heartbroken.

[@thesoundsofearth4454]

I’m really holding space for this interview

[@elaineadams7866]

Great conversation thanks for letting us in.

[@jcancer147]

The conversation just flowed. what a gift this movie, this ensemble, this press tour has been ❤❤❤.

[@jayt4886]

This was excellent!! The greatest gift is that Cynthia sees others around her and nurtures them all!!

[@hawkiepants9]

I loved hearing about the spell creation

[@zaire-ida9316]

Love Cynthia!! 💚💚💚 & Happy Birthday, Love!

[@YolaResa]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CYNTHIA!!!! 🎈🎁🎈

[@tanya3959]

i hope they do this with Ariana too! I love this interview with Cynthia!

[@hakanul2765]

It was soo refreshing to watch this interview. I like the short and fun interviews through other channels but this one definitely allows us to hang out with the lead actress and the director satisfyingly. Telling their own lives starting from childhood, speaking about their childhood dreams, telling the moments made them change... I love Cynthia is expressing her synesthesia and the view she sees on Elfie. And I loved when Jon said "when you put a vision, people are eager to follow you." is such an inspiring sentence. Every info they shared on this interview is delightful. Hope we see more genuine talks in the entertaintment industry. And hope we see Cynthia and Jon more throughout their careers. 💚

[@EmiliJoLynn]

The shoes!🥰

[@chelseavp7]

Gag! This was so great omg

[@kiaraknight5380]

I adore her

[@maicon.93]

thank you for this amazing video!! these two people (and ALL the involved in the project) created something BEAUTIFUL, and MEANINGFUL... I'll never cease to praise their work, it's a masterpiece!

[@chrishorn2740]

This was an amazing and beautiful thing to watch ❤

[@swirlingchi]

Amazing pairing 😍 inquisitive, talented, articulate. Can’t wait for part 2 💗💚

[@AndySaenz924]

Look at her shoes! They’re amazing! 🤍

[@Tiarawatches]

I’ve barely started but i love her shoes

[@Amaso.thebeads]

Direct connection to everybody's soul!!!

[@cyndilenz9158]

I just love these two! Thanks for doing this!

[@koalaTtime]

their friendship so cuteee

[@willem9538]

He's so handsome and his mom was just gorgeous 😍

[@kikibara1]

Yes his whole family is great looking

[@irmaraimondo6956]

Straordinari! 🥰🥰🥰🥰 e buon compleanno Cynthia, meraviglioso Capricorno 🎊🎊🎊🎉🎉🎉💖💖💖💖💖

[@jeramejerame6906]

Shes amazing truly

[@nolagirlplans]

Beautiful conversation!! 😊💚🩷

[@Littlegreen42]

Thank you for putting this together. We need more of this!

[@maryjane0224]

Its the ✨shoes✨ for me

[@jeramejerame6906]

That's incredible The truth is in the dark. The lie is the light

[@cyglass]

Wow this is the first interview with Cynthia that feels real to me after the chaos/circus of her interviews with Ariana. I related deeply to some things she said and I'm seeing her in a different light now.

[@awesometv6464]

Cynthia is a GODDESS!!

[@user-ij4hp5nn6g]

9:13 magic moment

[@bryanokafor9024]

Time for food and watching this

[@bohlalenchabeleng1370]

John is brilliant. What a visionary.

[@gerardocls]

Great conversation between two deep creative human beings.

[@m.h.c.r_]

los amo 💚💚💚

[@RODERICKK.RAYSON]

JUST BEAUTIFUL😇😇😇🥰🥰🥰😍😍😍🤩🤩🤩

[@flora5529]

I have yet hit play because I'm really loving the shoes Cynthia has on her. I really want to know where those are from? Do I have to go munchkin land to get a pair? ❤❤

[@barbietheemuslimah]

I want them shoes ❤❤❤