Wilds of Eldraine Spoilers: Infinite Mana, 2MV Rock and Lion-Like Mouse in Standard (Day 7)

[@akee3312]

The Kami + Faerie + Cauldron combo works a little better the other way around- exile Faerie to give Kami two counters and ability to untap itself. Let’s you get around the stun counters.

[@theduckcompany]

Does it actually get the ability to untap? Wouldnt the ability still say untap sleep-cursed farie not the kami.

[@akee3312]

@@theduckcompany it works- the untap ability really just says “untap [[this cardname]]”

[@somerando1073]

@@theduckcompany When a card refers to it's own name, what it's really saying is "this card". Why they don't actually write it like that, I don't know. But you couldn't use a cursed fairy to untap a different copy of cursed fairy even though it seems like you should. tl;dr yes it works like they said.

[@samuelfaucett7861]

Also, once you exile both the kami and faerie to the cauldron, each creature with +1/+1 counters can go infinite

[@akee3312]

@@samuelfaucett7861 very good point, pretty neat

[@ConManAU]

“The downside is, it’s not Sheoldred” is going to be the death knell for a lot of big black cards, I think.

[@derrickthewhite1]

Ban Sheoldred!

[@javondurham4238]

Not Sheoldred is the new Dies to Doomblade. And even doomblade doesn’t beat her!

[@bdellovibrioo5242]

Hatching Plans is definitely one to keep an eye on when drafting the set, because of the Bargain mechanic being a well supported way to proc it.

[@MakeVarahHappen]

I refuse to let Food Fight be called an unset card when the glorious Hot Soup exist. Comedy belongs in black bordered Magic too.

[@grin_of_grimmsnarl1333]

Sleep-Cursed Fae + Fate Transfer will allow you to move the stun counters to your opponent's Ragavan/Bowmasters and suddenly it's live on t3 with all your mana available

[@esrohm6460]

power creep really has gone to far. we now have a mouse that is exactly as strong as one of the fearsome lions of the past

[@nedcurfman3486]

I think the lions of the past were just anemic.

[@Ellie-Angela]

The bit about Throne of Eldraine and monocolor deck did bring to mind how much people seem to underestimate how strong monocolored and colorless commander decks are; not having to juggle multiple colors allows some truly ridiculous cards to be played that wouldn't work as well, or outright wouldn't work, in multicolor decks. Including especially lots of mana doublers.

[@mightythor-9286]

I know this is off topic but the no ban list historic is absolutely amazing and I can’t stop playing it.

[@teusz16]

You mean the Channel event?

[@demiurge2501]

@@teusz16lmao yeah it’s either play channel, play thoughtseize, or play blue but that’s kind of what you get with no banlist

[@TehPerz]

I've been having fun with my Nexus of Fate deck. As fun as it is, the card should probably stay banned if only because I end up playing solitaire after a few turns.

[@coldtruth9431]

Saffron Olive is by far the best set reviewer and also has character. If he ever broke away from mtgoldfish to make his own company, it would blow up

[@whatdothlife4660]

Why would he break away?

[@santaclauseking]

He is very good.

[@funkerman7]

No he wouldnt. His voice is incredible. By incredible I mean its incredible how any could ever listen to that. I cc and mute the video.

[@Astrotorical]

​@@funkerman7the worst part is I know he puts it on. Because when he streams, it's amazing and regular like a human speaking. But in this? You get "bett'r known as Saffronnn Awwwwwwwwwlive"

[@jeffreylong1478]

I can’t stand his fake voice, whoever told him that was a good marketing strategy should be fired

[@eatachodeutube]

Sentiel can get back adventure creatures that get farewelled as well

[@jeremysmith4620]

Dimir Faeries actually seems really legit. The inclusion of Spell Stutter really pushed it over the edge in my mind where it seems not only viable, but possibly top tier.

[@icefiredragon94]

That'd be lovely tbh. I miss dimir fairied from my college days so it would be fun to make a deck like that in 2023

[@akee3312]

Between spell stutter, the pseudo-thoughtseize, and Faerie Fencing I’m liking the way UB Faeries looks.

[@seththeace6217]

Eriette's tempting apple seems like a good addition to a Mishra, Eminent one commander deck

[@gaminggeckos4388]

22:55 It's notable that you can activate that ability on your opponent's end steps, while holding up counterspells

[@jojodelacroix]

Dreadknight cant be cast from the grave unless it dies. Nearly half if not more than half of removal is exile based at this point. Likewise, if you mill or discard underdog you can still get value. Thats not the case with dreadknight. The lack of haste also means it cant pressure planeswalkers and control like underdog can, further hampering it. I think its likely to see very little play because really underdog does almost everything better.

[@juanc.carreras3845]

In standard, the simic land with Jolrael, Wrenn Realmbreaker and tatyova looks like its gonna be decent there.

[@AsmoAstro]

42:31 I think you shouldn't overlook Hearth Elemental. This card could also have a chance in competetiv formats

[@josquinlanglois2554]

we're gonna play the mana rock and completely ignore the rest of the text in standard lol

[@Death_by_Tech]

Your a hero Seth, you should have had a card in this set

[@qubingjianshen8210]

8:41 There have been some mana rocks at 2 cmc more recent then everflowing chalice, The Ringhart Crest, Pillar of Origins, Tablet of Compleation and Corrupted Grafstone are some that comes to mind as they are all pioneer legal. They have had fairly restrictive requirements for their use though, this time the drawback for "The Ironcrag" is thats its legendary.

[@Infernoman64]

This set looks to be...very...WILD. (HAH!)

[@Logan-lz5gu]

Get out

[@gastastrophe1092]

@MTGGoldfish. Sentinel of lost lore let’s you exile your own graveyard and then return an adventure card from among those to your hand. It’s also kind of an eternal witness for adventure decks Also, Experimental Confectioner is a notable “Jumpstart” card because it goes infinite with Peregrine Took. This is a two card combo where both can be found by Collected Company like the Rosie Cotton combo. Took is a better value card when you aren’t comboing though

[@oDMACo]

Im just gonna say it. Ive never seen an archfiend lose a game for me. It either gets removed or the opponent loses

[@RealTal.]

thats not how stun counters work. it removes one at your untap phase when it would untap normally. so it makes it much better as it can just sit on the field and become a midgame threat with no mana needed to be spent

[@tdimensional6733]

I wish every card that drew you a whole bunch of cards via a fun effect wasn't undercut by "it's bad if Sheoldred's on the field"

[@skyguytomas9615]

I see all these good cards and think "I wish Sheoldred wasn't in standard so I could be excited to play them there." Standard felt like such a yawn-fest when I left some months ago, would love to see a more diverse meta.

[@domri4203]

Mosswood Dreadnight should be played as a creature on turn 2. Edit: Elusive Otter sound pretty good in modern with free spells like gut shot and Mutagenic growth.

[@mariofisher6340]

sleep-cursed faerie and fate transfer seems like it would be a fun against the odds.

[@Loyd64]

The irencrag can be really strong in certain decks, especially if you put it on something that comes out cheap, but has a huge drawback, now it doesn’t have that and gets +3/+3

[@tonysmith9905]

Irencrag's abilitie removes the ability to tap for mana from itself, it doesn't remove abilities from the equipped creature. Please reread and notice where the quotation marks begin and end.

[@Loyd64]

​@@tonysmith9905my bad, was listening to it on my phone and didn't notice the quotation marks

[@losti.d.8456]

Sugarmaw is an INSTANTANEOUS addition to my Denathor/Elas-il Kor/Rosie Cotton deck!!!

[@pablodiaz2278]

Sentinel of Lost Lore modes are also pseudo recursion. Instead of thinking of adventures already played, I think of exiling willingly the cards from graveyard. You use both ways the adventure card, it dies and you exile it then cast the sentinel which lets you recover the exiled card and exile future recursions. By the way Elusive Otter feels like a great upgrade to Venerated Rotpriest deck. It is a 1mv creature which can be a team targeting spell to proc the Rotpriest in buckets. It's also simic which mpair it well not only with the creature, but also with Ivy and the blue march

[@neanderthales5594]

Sentinel of lost Lore can also rescue exiled creatures that got farewelled or something, since it just picks them from exile.

[@jnorthey9]

22:31 this card if played on turn one would lose counters on each untap phase as well, so you could have it ready to attack on turn 3 if you wanted to pay that four extra mana (2 on turn two and then 2 on turn three), as well as you can do it at instant speed, so for the turn two you can wait with two mana up then use it on the faerie. Later in the game it just gets vigilance if you need blockers in a pinch while still being able to hit them for 3 flying every turn with ward 2. Card seems pretty good overall. Or even again holding up the mana after it has no stun counters on it on turn three and then you can decide if you need a blocker or if you're going to cast something else at instant speed on their turn you make the opponent have to think a lot more around a lot more decisions.

[@haileydee9954]

I have a Bant +1/+1 counters deck brew that the Otter just makes unbelievable!

[@guilhermeandradedaveiga5605]

There was a two mana mana rock with a tribal restriction in ixalan. It was so bad no one remembets it I guess.

[@Kopekemaster]

Old Stickfingers is the new Soul Sisters, lol

[@chips8623]

Sleep cursed is obviously too slow to be in a Delver style tempo deck, but it might be good enough in a control deck as a modest finisher that they can just sorta sneak onto the board in between more important control spells for just 1 mana. Sweepers are of course the problem with that, it'd need to be all counters and targetted removal.

[@kylewright4158]

Food Fight plus powerstones

[@Calicrab]

After seeing the "Take it back" half of Spellscorn Coven makes me think about brewing a lucky clover adventure deck in pioneer. With the clover youd be able to cast the instant side targeting itself and using the copy to bounce opponents spell's essentially giving you a 3 mana unsubstantiate with free buyback. Not sure if its strong enough but i love adventures anyway!

[@the_r4ts]

You can't target a spell that's not already on the stack. You choose targets before the spell goes on the stack, meaning you can't have either Take It Back target itself. The copy can target the original, but that will resolve before the original bounces your opponent's spell :(

[@j_g_t6091]

Food fight breaks Krark Clan Ironworks in Modern! Wait what's that? KCI has been banned for years now? Oh....

[@vulcanh254]

Food Fight would be broken if it cost 1 mana to activate. But at 2 mana per activation it's too slow and clunky. I wish it created 2x foods on etb, then it would be super interesting. But as is it's kind of a weak version of Ghirapur Aether Grid.

[@heckingpancakes]

Brenard, Ginger Sculptor seems like fun

[@tomsmith4698]

I've been saying this for a while (re: Mosswood Dreadknight) that they need to make a threat that can be cast from exile. Nothing ever dies. Everything that leaves the board gets exiled in Standard these days.

[@christopherpennell1922]

Seth, I love your content, and I do agree with you; but "when Sheoldred rotates" is not worth saying yet. Sheoldred wouldn't have even rotated on the old cycle yet. So she isn't even going away in the next rotation which is still quite a bit off. Tack on a whole year after that. Sheoldred is just too strong. 4/4 would have still been strong. 4/5 without deathtouch maybe, but the combination of 4 mana, 4/5, deathtouch, and abilities? Nothing lines up with that. And the thought of sacrificing tenacious under d to have 8 Sheoldred in your deck is ridiculous.

[@mickeychew4374]

Sphere of the Suns was printed in Mirrodin Beseiged

[@XxMechaxWolfxX]

Would be nice to see more monocolored support that isn't just devotion based. I like Throne of Eldraine too!

[@TheFluke32]

Sleep-Cursed Faerie's stun counters doesn't need to be removed after removing the 1st one to untap it. As long as you don't tap it for attacking or for paying for convoke, it will remain untapped on the following turn.😂 I feel that it is a very good deterrent for early aggro, and a very frustrating thing to leave on the battlefield for your opponents since it has ward 2. You can just pay the untap later when you are clearly able to.

[@SabeJones]

That's not how stun counters work. It's a replacement effect: if the creature would untap, and it has a stun counter on it, you remove one counter instead of untapping the creature. That happens regardless of how the creature's getting untapped, whether it's at the untap step, a Twiddle, or an activation of "1U: Untap this creature."

[@fdrehug7318]

Elusive otter can attack, prevent blocks then get buffed via instant spells before damage

[@jeremysmith4620]

Food Fight does sound meme-tastic, but honestly I think it looks really legit. The main issue may be the enhanced number of playable enchantment removal that typically comes with an enchantment heavy set. The deck seems like a great excuse to break out my favorite Standard legal dragon - Atsushi the Blazing Sky. When a copy of him dies and you can generate 3, 6, or even 9 or god forbid 12 damage, it won't take long to close out a game. I think Food Fight can find a deck that doesn't need to include any bad cards to make it good. Between treasures and powerstones there are tons of options. We might even get to dust off those Karn Living Legacy cards we have laying around, but probably not.

[@Chpow01]

I actually really like Sentinel, it has some pretty pleasant interactions with Bonecrusher Giant, Murderous Rider, Fae of Wishes, Brazen Borrower, it's just nice incidental value when used with some of the nicer value adventures.

[@luisgutierrez8047]

People HARD sleeping on that faeri. It's the next virtuoso card. Virtuoso decks don't do anything till turn 3 so they can have protection up. This card self protects till turn 4. Only truly affected by edicts. When it untaps can start chipping down and countering everything. Throw in vigilance and +1 counters and nothing will get past it.

[@ullrich]

Mono B Fairies has been a pretty powerful and popular deck in Pauper. I wonde if Spell Stutter will show up in that deck when it has access to stuff like Counter Spell. I think there are some UB versions of the deck which I would think would have more cause to use Spell Stutter. But a very intersting card in addition to all the Fairies from this set.

[@ruesifus]

Could Elusive Otter make an Ivy viable deck?

[@kristiandahl1310]

wedding announcement + sugarmaw = just keep swinging.

[@spice_krispies]

Temur Adventure aggro will be a deck no doubt. Beluna is bonkers and just adds more fuel for the prowess while reducing costs. First thing I'm building in WOE Standard.

[@bigchungus9171]

Temur Prowess deck looks sweet!

[@xzysyndrome]

Power creep is still petal to the metal...I honestly don't even know how I used to keep up. Just looking for EDH picks these days for existing decks. With as much product as they are pumping out...it seems Power Creep is now a Power Sprint. Glad my Kitchen Table doesn't care...and keeps to the 90's and early 2000's.

[@MunchKING]

37:00 I personally like playing 1-2 color decks myself.

[@sammartin8746]

Throne of Eldraine is basically an auto-include in my five praetor decks I have made and am making, this will be absurd especially for my Urabrask deck that could use some extra card draw

[@TonyScimeca]

8 mana draw two is not a rate I’d get excited about

[@sammartin8746]

thats not all it does lol, its a good mana rock too of course, it's just the option of being able to draw two in a way similarish to a repeatable hedron archive is fairly nice@@TonyScimeca

[@FirstnameLastname-ju7em]

37:51 didn't we get a 3 plus 2 phyrexian red Act of Treason in New Phyrexia? Granted threatens aren't playable in modern anyways, but colorless does have a threaten option in older 60 card formats

[@ketchumall8243]

The fact that Seth or whoever edited this *almost* put the land cycle in order but swapped the last 2 at 6:30 bothers me more than it should

[@Shimatzu95]

This might be a bit niche but with sleep fairy you can keep up interaction and if you dont need it remove a counter instead.

[@TheEvolver311]

Yeah it seems way to slow and resource intensive It's floor is killing the opponent on t12. That's a long time to have all of your permission and removal line up exactly right. Haughty Djinn at least is often big enough to kill in 2 swings and provides a cost reduction for all the card draw

[@jeffe2267]

I'm very excited for Temur adventures, I'm just afraid that the mana will be stretched a bit too much for an aggro deck.

[@trikovi1628]

I bet Richard LOVES Mosswood Dreadknight. It's like a repeatable 3/2 Spirited Companion

[@letthenonsensebegin]

Richard Garfield? Who are you talking about?

[@trikovi1628]

@@letthenonsensebegin Mtg goldfish has a commander channel where the members play commander every week. Richard is the owner of mtg goldfish and plays on it pretty frequently. He REALLY likes spirited companion

[@letthenonsensebegin]

oh cool will have to watch it some day. Just how much does he like spirited companion? Like, he plays in every deck or something?@@trikovi1628

[@Shimatzu95]

Sadly i think throne of eldraine is overcosted. How often do you need 9 mana for anything? Also ramping on turn 5 is not great to put it mildly. That said i do understand its potential but i belive if it was 4 mana tap for 3 aka thran dynamo it would have been much better.

[@Programme021]

Sleep cursed Faerie seems like a good blocker

[@TehPerz]

I genuinely don't get the hype for Mosswood Dreadknight. It seems like everyone's thinking this card will be broken, but I just don't see it. It's a 2 mana 3/2 trample green creature, which I think is great stats, but the recursion just isn't happening. You'd be essentially giving the opponent a free time walk by playing a 2 mana sorcery-speed cantrip when there are so much better things you can be doing for 2 mana in standard, and that's also ignoring the fact that basically every deck that runs removal can either exile this from the board (white/red) or from the graveyard (black). This might be okay in a green-based aggro deck, but the recursion is just not that impactful.

[@Amphidsf]

That's where I came down on it as well. Sure it puts you in value city at +2 every time it dies. The flip side is it taxes your mana heavily to go to value town and if you don't pay the cost you end up with... a slightly above the curve creature. Infinite card advantage doesn't mean much when the cards you are drawing are all just fair. Maybe I'm missing something, I'm prepared to eat my words, I think it will see near zero play.

[@TehPerz]

@@Amphidsf I can see it seeing play since the body is pretty aggressive, but considering where green is in current standard, it's going to need a lot of support before I feel like this is any better than Tenacious Underdog. At least you can blitz underdog whenever you want instead of letting the opponent dictate which turn you're skipping to get your value.

[@cedarbenz]

With Sentinel of Lost Lore, you can also return a card that's been exiled by something other than the Adventure mechanic itself to your hand (or return something to the bottom of your opponent's library, for all intents and purposes). If, say, you had *two* Sentinels, you could exile your graveyard with the first one's ETB effect, then return a card that has an Adventure from exile to your hand (given that there was one in your graveyard to begin with). It doesn't *have* to be two copies of this card, but that's just one use that doesn't name any other cards. It technically also works with Cemetery Prowler, if you exiled a card (with an Adventure) from your graveyard-just note that it *will* decrease the discount provided by the Prowler.

[@stefanellrodt52]

I am excited for food fight .I want to try it in my Strefan EDH deck. It has a very strong artifact sacrifice theme and throwing blood (vampire's food) at your opponents is metal as f***

[@nedcurfman3486]

I like Sleep-Cursed with Strict Proctor or Hushbringer.

[@SabeJones]

I don't think that works. Strict Proctor and Hushbringer stop triggered abilities that go onto the stack or would go onto the stack. Sleep-Cursed just etbs with those counters already stuck to it, no trigger needs to resolve. If Strict Proctor worked the way you want it to, it'd kill planeswalkers when they etb.

[@PhetaFox]

Can you pithing needle a flipped irencrag? Like is Everflame a valid card name?

[@mariofisher6340]

im going to build black green stompy with mosswood dreadknight seems like it could add some inevitability to the stompy style

[@henrye3935]

Sort of worried that the Jumpstart cards now make set boosters worse to buy than draft boosters?

[@Shadowcloak]

Imagine I went back in time 20 years and told you WotC would be printing a Standard-legal Legendary Artifact Creature - Food Knight

[@cp911s]

Would Strict Proctor allow Sleep-Cursed Faerie to enter without the counters?

[@CriticalFeline]

no, the Faerie says "enters with" rather than "when it enters the battlefield", which means it's not affected by any Torpor Orb-like effects since it's not an ability that goes on the stack

[@akodotain]

Sentinel of Lost Lore has interesting interactions with oblivion ring style effects.

[@Quantumhailoid]

Against the odds, Mirror March food fight

[@theyonlycomeoutwhenitsquiet]

The Irencrag is the Arthurian Sword in the Stone… wow

[@EarthPlaneteer]

No shit Sherlock.

[@theyonlycomeoutwhenitsquiet]

No, it's not Sherlock, it's another British story@@EarthPlaneteer

[@seanclark4071]

You know, thinking about the bargain mechanic, we have a bitterblossom like card in skrelvs hive in standard, which should provide enough gas for the deck if it ends up happening

[@jimzh7669]

Wedding announcement is also still in standard and although takes 3 turns does become a anthem that makes everything bigger

[@bblivid]

Sugarmaw, finally a niche use for Sting, the Glinting Dagger.

[@SCUB4Owl]

Say I exile a creature with Werefox Bodyguard, then equip the sword mode of the Irencrag to my fox. If my fox dies while equipped with the sword does the exiled creature come back?

[@therealnynetynyne360]

Glissa 3rd mode play blue fairy main 1 atk with glissa remove counters

[@gnomersy1087]

I think Irencrag in commander probably won't be a huge contender. The relatively bad equipment side is really not a huge sell outside of equipment themed decks(though in those it will be an auto include). Particularly because it needs to be good enough to warrant upgrading to and I think it's mostly just kind of okay. I'd be surprised if it even supplants Everflowing Chalice.

[@baconsir1159]

I feel like you’re greatly under-estimating the appeal of a 2 mana untapped rock that does something after you no longer need the mana. It’s no Liquimetal Torque, but I’d definitely play over Prismatic Lens or Thought Vessel. Being legendary also isn’t irrelevant in Grixis/Jund/Mardu/Rakdos, as it can be used with Mount Doom.

[@gnomersy1087]

@@baconsir1159 I mean maybe but personally I think you overestimate the willingness of people to go back and do marginal upgrades for their decks. Most people keep an eye out for big splashy cards that can take their deck to the next level but for minor upgrades most people just won't bother. I think that's part of why Thought Vessel, Fellwar Stone, and Everflowing Chalice still see way more play than Liquimetal Torque.

[@fromadhdtodndtomtg]

The more I see, the more I wonder if adventure will be a thing in pioneer?

[@DonovanPresents]

Sentinel of Lost Lore can grab a card with an adventure on it from exile that's NOT on an adventure by the wording of this way.

[@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai]

Food Fight really should have been worded “number of permanents on the battlefield named Food Fight” not just number that you control. Such a flavor fail. No pun intended because *IT DOESN’T DESERVE ONE.*

[@fdrehug7318]

Multiple sentinals, exile opponents gy, then the secound one puts opponents adventure in gy

[@animeandrice9664]

Two mana 3/2 trample being an ok body is crazy

[@baconsir1159]

We got Werewolf Pack Leader a couple years ago

[@animeandrice9664]

@@baconsir1159 and it was good

[@wingdinggaster6737]

6:49 Im pissed that you didnt swap the last two so that all the colors lined up

[@fdrehug7318]

Restless vinstalk can downgrade sheoldred into a 3 toughness, easier to kill

[@neanderthales5594]

Hatching plans can be bargained, no?

[@DemonaruMusic]

35:00 A standard legal card, but it only shows up in set boosters? Doesn't something about that seem a bit fucked to anyone else?

[@logaf94]

Woe really out here trying to get me to build mardu aristocrats

[@lesterhawkes7809]

Is seth going to do a video of no ban historic?

[@zachhannah8927]

Throne of Eldraine is nutty. Not cEDH level, but it's hot.

[@BobertJoe]

I think you are overestimating Ironcreg in commander, by a lot. The equipment is unplayably bad in most decks. And there are a lot of colorless 2mv rocks with upside at this point, Im usually not running all of them.

[@DMSFister]

The new looter gets me excited with sleep-cursed faerie

[@Pinguin22]

Which one?

[@DMSFister]

@@Pinguin22 the UB one that copies things from the GY. It avoids the etb trigger so for 1 mana it's a 3/3 flyer ward2

[@gabrote42]

30:46 Might need copies

[@rkk667]

Wouldn't I rather cast sheoldred than sugarmaw? Not if one playset is $200+

[@RafitoOoO]

The issue is inflation. Back then one mana was enough to pay for a Lion, now one mana can only buy you a Mouse.

[@roberteaves5108]

I think sleep-cursed faerie might be a sleeper....

[@pedrobianchi2412]

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