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[@SpeakOnFS1]

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[@jeremyharbin9450]

You said Patrick did what no one has done, not true! I can’t remember the year but about 2009 or so the Falcons were losing to the Bears and got the ball with 11 seconds left with no timeouts and they got it at the 20 because it was before the ball went to the 25 yard line and Ryan threw a ball to Jenkins right at the sideline and he toe tapped it and they won the game on a field goal so it’s happened before maybe not in playoffs but it’s been done!!!

[@jimrichardson706]

All the talk of parity and phases, what's your suggested solution? Pretty easy to point out a problem then sit back and do nothing. The NFL playoffs is better than other sports due to one and done! The Bills lost in overtime because they let the game go to overtime then couldn't defend. Nuff Said!

[@ssshonnn]

What other sport has an overtime that only one teams offense gets the ball?

[@supernova5end]

They should do overtime like baseball and basketball. Let it be another quarter and after that the second overtime it is another quarter. The 3rd overtime would be a sudden death, where they would be given the ball on the 20 and 4 plays to score no field goals. This goes on until one team scores and the other doesn't.

[@jimrichardson706]

@@ssshonnn Years ago I learned in officiating clinics that the point of "fairness" is that no team gets an advantage not intended by the rules; not every team gets equal turns with the ball. That like every team gets a trophy for participation - STOP this madness! A team includes players, coaches and support staff. A team with the most talented players doesn't always win (think Super Bowl Vikings of old) especially if knowledge and skills of everyone aren't included. In NFL playoffs, if you lose a game you're gone. Stop trying to blame the overtime rule, which has been changed times before, like there's some perfection in ending a tied football game. Besides, it's more exciting like this instead of no overtime

[@AustinTolesOfficial]

The chiefs tried to change the rule in 2019 and the Bills and the rest of the teams voted against it. They have no one to blame but themselves 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@CandySlim501]

How soon they forget..🙄

[@briantumlinson8340]

I think what they need to do is play another quarter and then after that quarter if they're still tied then play until the next team scores and then allow the other team to score they must win

[@briantumlinson8340]

After thinking about it I think the team that kicked off the last time they started the half is the one that waste to be kicked to in this next quarter that they play, p that means that they had to keep the other team from scoring but if they score they win the game and if they don't the other team has to score the next time they get the ball next now that's equal that's how they should now that's how they should do it a whole quarter of play and the next team that scores is a winner that's how they do it now that's the equal play I'm sorry man no flip in a coin it's going to solve anything

[@pulee1001]

Yep

[@zechrojas2202]

I bet if you told them they would be in that situation with the number one statistical defense they would have taken it.

[@whitewhale9012]

Wiley was fine with this rule until his team lost. Look, 3 years ago KC proposed a change that would give both offenses a chance to win. 0 teams endorsed it. Including the Bills. It didnt even get a vote. Nobody else was on board. After the game Mahomes was more critical of the rule than Allen was. Where was this passion when KC lost the AFC title game a few years ago? They were mocked for it. 'Sore losers' ect. Be consistent. Wiley is a sore loser. He picked KC to miss the playoffs, disparaged mahomes multiple times this year, and he won't take his medicine.

[@dnice4145]

Fine with the rule? How do you know, it is rarely an issue. The rule is dumb for the playoffs specifically. Imagine another 15-20 minutes of those 2 teams trading blows into the night.

[@kotyzuroweste7112]

Preach it Jonah!!

[@kotyzuroweste7112]

@@dnice4145 affected the Chiefs three years ago, kept them from going to three SB and in Mahomes first year as starter.

[@gerardbonner6464]

Wiley isn't objective, at all. The best team that day won and that was the Chiefs. The Bills should have scored more, they punted more than the Chiefs. Allen is not better than Mahomes. His career too up and down. I need to see more consistency from Allen before I can say he's on the same planet as Mahomes.

[@THEBBAGLEY29]

Facts

[@emonra430]

Funny how Mahomes has been carrying a suspect defense to 2 SBs, and 4 AFC championships in a row, an overall record of 50-13 (W/ L record), but Josh Allen is the better QB because a coin flip was the reason he and his #1 defense lost the game. Never mind the #1 defense allowed 42 points, never mind #1 defense can’t stop an offense for 13 seconds, never mind KC starting safety got knocked out 2nd play of the game, never mind BUF WRs pushed off on 2 of the 4 TDs, never mind the 2nd best kicker in the league left 4 points on the table, never mind KC tried to change this rule a few years back and BUF and other teams rejected. What has Josh Allen done in his NFL career to justify he is a better QB than Mahomes who has an MVP, 2 SB appearances, SB MVP, on track to break nearly all existing QB records and if it wasnt for Dee Ford being offsides he would have been to a SB every year as a starter. Don’t worry I’ll wait,….

[@juniorlisius3865]

Yoooo, you just nailed it. Please Allow me to just and paste your arguments with the credit due of course, to see if that can go further!

[@fulanspeaks7319]

I don't think Wiley really believes what he was saying. They just have to pick a side because it's a debate show

[@GermanSweetLife]

This is exactly what I mean; I am tired of people saying Allen played better or is better than PAT; one QB played the game on ALL Madden going against the number 1 defense, and the other player played the game on ROOKIE mode going against the rank 24th defense, let's be honest if I beat you. You have a rank one defense, and then I deserve more credit.

[@fulanspeaks7319]

@@GermanSweetLife Let's let Allen actually accomplish something first before we say he's better than someone who has literally accomplished everything. If Mahomes retires tomorrow he's HOF

[@GermanSweetLife]

@@fulanspeaks7319 Exactly, but it every tv show; every person is saying ALLEN is better, how Pat had better stats he almost had 100 passing yards more, Allen had 4TD because of one guy, if we could play even decent coverage the game a blowout, our Defense is bush league.

[@freetheworld2671]

13 seconds; if you cant stop a team going 60yards to tie you need to lose.

[@drob3820]

Thank you!!! Seriously 13 seconds and you let them walk down the field for a FG. No one to blame but yourself

[@ricardoburton7688]

That part, and the No.1 D at that, no excuses!!

[@bobbymira8234]

@@drob3820 Thats so dumb. Neither team could stop the other's offense in a two minute drill. Prevent defense doesn't work a lot of times so you can't just say "well you messed up, you don't deserve overtime". the fact is they were tied at the end of regulation and we need to find the most fair way to determine the winner. who cares what happened in regulation? has nothing to do with what OT rules should be....

[@JamesASharp]

EXACTLY! 💯

[@leighwright3450]

melvin barnett FACTS 💯👍

[@brandonnewman2553]

I love how when this happened to the chiefs in 2018 everyone said the chiefs need to stop crying and when they suggested a change the ENTIRE LEAGUE said no but now the chiefs are on the winning side and everyone is up and arms saying it needs to change..... talk about paradoy......

[@bagtv3292]

Exactly but snice it’s there Princess Allen there needs to be a rule change ,I never seen so much pat on the back for a player in my life.he lost last year to mahomes ,and now this year to mahomes and there analysts still the the next day saying Allen better 😂😂😂wtf been watching football since I was 9 or sports in general never seen so much cupcakeing over a guy that literally can beat another player crazy 😂

[@jayjay7412_]

Not me I love the ot rule.

[@TerryRosariojr]

Paradoy! That's funny. I don't know if it was intentional. But that's hella funny. Paradoy!

[@TerryRosariojr]

@@bagtv3292 It's because it's Buffalo. They need a pick me up.

[@Samurai31631]

@@bagtv3292 So you would say that Jimmy G is better than Aaron Rodgers? Jimmy G has his number in the post-season from what I’ve seen. And yet, there are analyst out there who say Aaron Rodgers is better.

[@chasingsafety796]

"The Bills didn't lose this game, they just lost a coin flip." Actually....pretty sure they lost both, Wiley.

[@nickgann7946]

hahahahahaha

[@joesamarripa7915]

True they lost both

[@simplynewb1144]

so you saying we shuldnt have a defense anymore?

[@nick43mont]

I mean he said it right before “all you guys had to do was squib it” which could and could not have worked. Either way Bills D and late coaching cost them. It shouldn’t have come down to a coin flip if the defense and coaching late in the game were better

[@Silent25091]

Bills defense let pat get 45 yards for a field goal

[@DariusClarkWallace]

Honey Badger got hurt on the 1st drive, kicker missed a fg AND an extra point, and Bills were up 3 with 13 seconds left. OT SHOULDNT HAVE EVEN HAPPENED 🤣. Bills blew it.

[@raulromero2948]

Facts

[@DuckFanDane]

Yeah and people act like you can’t play defense or something you’re allowed to stop them

[@ricardoburton7688]

Bruuuuh 🤣😭 they pitiful ain't they?

[@DariusClarkWallace]

@@DuckFanDane exactly lol. The coin didn't stop yall from playing defense. Season on the line and you can't hold them to a fg?! You deserve to lose 🤣

[@DariusClarkWallace]

@@ricardoburton7688 yea this show is terrible whenever they talk about the Chiefs 🤣. Acho should consult Nick Wright cuz he had 0 responses to Wiley's TERRIBLE Chiefs opinions.

[@darekforeman535]

The number 1 defense couldn't stop a team with 13 seconds left. Before that the number 1 defense gave up a go ahead touchdown in less than a minute. The best defense gave up a touchdown in OT on the first possession of OT. Allen isn't better than Mahomes. Watching that game yesterday, Allen was great. Mahomes was just a little bit greater.

[@antdeeziak2120]

Josh Allen was God...Mahomes was Godzilla

[@jchd3108]

@@antdeeziak2120 you tryna say Godzilla better than God?

[@Chiefs555]

@@jchd3108 I think he was joking.

[@antdeeziak2120]

@@jchd3108 not really lol just sounds cool

[@jchd3108]

@@antdeeziak2120 It would’ve sound cooler if you’d said Allen was Godzilla but Mahomes was like God

[@saintdahero]

The OT rules isn't why the Chiefs won, it was the bills defense ironically not playing defense the last 13 seconds of regulation and in OT

[@jdubbmrgng2232]

That Part

[@benjij9611]

Chiefs wanted to change the overtime rules and they turned it down now that we r number 1 everyone is complaining 😂

[@sarahmcdonald9624]

Yep! And for me, this was just giving back what the coin toss took from us not so many years ago. I approve! We felt the heartbreak. It was nice to win one this time.

[@triptin24]

Since the rule change 10 out of the 11 post season overtime games were won by the team that won the coin toss.

[@triptin24]

@@sarahmcdonald9624 the coin toss needs to go.

[@thisguy8106]

Nope. Everyone complained then too. The NFL voted against it. The NFL hasnt said anything. The NFL isn't out here saying the rules need to be changed. The argument gets brought up in every situation that A mentioned in this current video.

[@alexbell6631]

Didn’t your coach even say how fortunate chiefs are they won the toss 😂

[@rogereverett9599]

If Tom Brady would have scored with 13 seconds left against the chiefs there would be no discussion about why Mr. Mahomes didn't get a chance in overtime, They would say that this is why he is the goat and the chiefs just wasn't good enough to win.Or they had their chance in regulation it shouldn't have come down to that. I am not a chiefs fan but Mr. Mahomes did something that is almost impossible to do and yet they are talking about Mr. Allen not getting the ball in overtime ....Give the chiefs credit they won the game within the rules.

[@joelgaming2704]

If the Chiefs lose this isn’t a discussion.

[@riskkktakeee]

Ikr that’s crazy to me

[@moneyblue8466]

Right they hate on us for no reason but this wouldn’t even be a discussion if our kicker never missed those field goals and payback for when we wanted to change the rules back in 2018 or 2019 for ot and the bills wasn’t on our side and said no

[@lilguapo899]

I think we’re way too in our feels w this one. Bills didn’t stop Pat when he had 13 seconds left. And then failed to stop him again in overtime. Bills lost. It is what it is. No need to change the rule.

[@ricardoburton7688]

You sir are one of the realest on this thread, big facts, no excuses, Bills got exposed!!

[@JamesASharp]

EXACTLY! 💯

[@jjmmiv33816]

What are you, a chief’s fan? Anybody coming into a game blind starting at OT would suggest that rules need to change to allow each side possession. Like any other sport. But if you’re alright with this, we shouldn’t have changed it back in 2010 where you needed just a field goal to advance. Points are points right? Curious why we needed to change rules in the first place then…

[@bburden12]

@@jjmmiv33816 the old rule had been in the rulebook for 30+ years. Of course it was good. Points are points, you are correct; game of football has three phases. Imagine if some dumb fk decided his special team wasn't important, somehow got to OT (with your fantasy rules, where both offenses get the ball), fumbled the kickoff return to start the OT, and therefore lost. Guess we'd have to abandon the kicking game so that the fans get to see gunslinging QBs compete... (Edited for grammar correction purposes)

[@Jjbarrea124]

Nfl is literally the only league professional or college that doesn’t allow for equal opportunity in extra time. There’s zero logic behind it

[@KitfoxNinja]

I like how no one even brings up that the chiefs left 4 points on the field that would have kept the game from even hitting OT or need them to rush up the field in 13 seconds?

[@williamallen7984]

I bring it up but nobody cares lol

[@deangeloj4349]

Right, wiley is a clown

[@nadilchoudhury660]

Wiley gonna hate no matter what, no amount of logic will work on him

[@wyldezone9111]

WOULD SHRED THE NARRATIVE ENTIRELY

[@bibo5854]

I agree the OT rule shoulda been changed but lets not get this twisted, Mahomes the best qb in the league and his squad dropped 42 points on the #1 ranked defense. Thats why the chiefs won the game, it was because Mahomes in 13 seconds did what only he and prime Tom Brady could ever do. It sucks that josh Allen's defense failed him and he didn't win the coin toss in OT but the exact same thing happened to Mahomes vs the pats 3 years ago

[@zadafcb]

Tbf. Those throws on that fg drive weren't that special. Kudos for the whole game, but that drive, for me, was all on the Bills. Like, what were the processes going through Leslie Frazier's mind right there? He basically said "yeah, let's let Hill and Kelce run wide open and invite Mahomes to hit them in stride for them to get more YAC". Worst play calling in NFL History

[@douglasritchey485]

All these what ifs man don’t matter. Bills have lost to this team in the playoffs twice now, only an idiot would consider these teams equal. They are not, period.

[@josephnorris4095]

@@douglasritchey485 Well, we found the resident, bitter patriots fan. 😂

[@GulfShoresVacationGuide]

Except Mahomes does it without bogus “roughing the passer” and “pass interference” and “pre-snap penalty” calls.

[@douglasritchey485]

@@josephnorris4095 I’m a Chiefs fan dude. Lol

[@brandondorsey7204]

The best team absolutely won. They want to talk about fairness, if Honey Badger doesn't get injured, that 4th and 13 doesn't happen. I usually love these segments, but this was all the way off imo.

[@KitfoxNinja]

The bigger issue was our kicker leaving 4 points off the field that would have eliminated the need to even go up the field in 13 seconds as well.

[@gilesdavis100]

@@KitfoxNinja exactly

[@triptin24]

Best team won but the whole point should be that one of the greatest games ever would have had a sweeter ending if they had better rules for OT. The game finished a draw ok so lets make it a fair contest. Not a flip of a coin. I wanted chiefs to win but when i look at it objectively this was a game with 2 qbs going back and forth. Then it is decided without allen even touching the ball. Coin flip should never have this much impact on who wins. Worst overtime rules in all of sport.

[@bobbymira8234]

What does honey badger getting injured have to do with the OT rules?

[@brandondorsey7204]

@@bobbymira8234 Absolutely nothing. I wasn't commenting on the OT rules. I have another comment in this video specifically regarding the OT rules. I was referring to Marcelus saying that the best team didn't win the game. That convo between Marcellus and Acho was at the end and different from whether or not the OT rules should be the same. I swear social media is causing reading comprehension to deteriorate.

[@Jdeneik]

The chiefs lead in most the stats. They did what they had to to win and it’s the reason they went to four straight AFC championship games…never been done before. I get it, the east coast media loves the east coast teams. Well we people in fly over country know the truth…Mahomes has done what no other QB has done in the history of the NFL in his first 5 years in the league. Also remember the Chiefs kicker left 4 points off the score board.

[@AnthonyCarrierYouTube]

The Bills went to 4 straight Super Bowls…you sure that’s never been done before?

[@parriswhiteii2322]

@@AnthonyCarrierKZbin he worded it wrong the chiefs are the first to host four straight championship games👌🏾

[@wyldezone9111]

Funny how they didn't mention Butker's 4 points! Doesn't have a show at that point !

[@rogereverett9599]

@@AnthonyCarrierKZbin He said Mr. Mahomes did that in his first five years as a starter.... Jim Kelly didn't do that in his first five years as a starter so he is right.

[@blackielawless8814]

4 straight SuperBowl losses sums it all right up there....they should have had their team revoked at that point and bills fans wouldn’t have had to go thru another 22 years of abuse LIFETIME LOSERS

[@jnetbrown17]

They forgot that the chiefs is supposed to be ahead too but keep missing the field goal because of the kicker. And they were ahead too at some point then towards the end they started going back and forth

[@LRM77]

Moral of the story: Never go to overtime.

[@ecpracticesquad4674]

Allen played great, Mahomes played better. The Bills have the supposedly “best” defense in the league. KC does not. Mahomes faced “better” and performed better. Mahomes was better, PERIOD. And the Bills lost because they couldn’t stop KC for 13 seconds! Blaming a coin for what a professional defense, the “top” defense, could not do is just stupid!

[@Knowing341]

You summed it up perfectly. Bills retooled with all these pass rushers but this version of mahomes not sitting and looking to go deep all the time. AND chiefs lost Tyrann early who is so big in terms of leadership

[@alexbell6631]

@@Knowing341 bills lost white, didn’t the chiefs go out and trade for Melvin ingrim for a 5th rounder lol and didn’t you guys get Chris Jones back.

[@Knowing341]

@@alexbell6631 They lost white and still ended up ranked #1.... they have those 2 heralded safeties. Chris Jones and Melvin Ingram didn’t help them with Cincinnati. Chiefs D is ranked where? Had played better but is still suspect

[@Jjbarrea124]

He wasn’t better. He just had one extra chance

[@bradleyhoward9638]

Plus honey badger and Fenton were out.

[@torosammy]

In 2018 the bill voted against the overtime rule change, they only wanna change it because they lost. They had 14 seconds to win the game, you play all three phases. Stop undermining special teams and defense

[@danielburdisso1483]

Overtime rules still should have changed, it’s ridiculous that both teams don’t get the same chance

[@gilesdavis100]

@@danielburdisso1483 they had a chance in regulation

[@tangettewilliams1823]

@@gilesdavis100 right it shouldn't of even went to ot

[@jinwoo7378]

I hate when people defend a coin toss by saying "just play defense". Well that's easy for one side to say, why does only one team have to play defense? If this is a team game, both side need to participate. Lol, you act like KC defense was stopping them.. they weren't. This game did infact come down to a coin toss man, there is no way around it. This isn't the 90s man, offenses are much more explosive now and the rules are more in their favor because it's good for rating to see more points. If the rules change, defense get more of a spotlight though? Both teams would actually have to make a stop in that case.

[@ecpracticesquad4674]

@@jinwoo7378 KC’s defense wasn’t being touted as the TOP RANKED defense in the league. Sounds like the Bills are all about excuses. KC’s kicker gave the Bills 4 points. Bills couldn’t defend for 13 seconds. If the Bills don’t want to lose to a coin, then defend for 13 seconds and don’t let it come to that.

[@williamallen7984]

So many thoughts here. First, the best team didn’t win, Cel? I don’t care what Pff says, Mahomes got off three plays in 13 seconds for a game tying field goal. Cowboys couldn’t even spike the ball in 14. If Butker doesn’t miss a kick and an XP, it doesn’t even go to overtime. As for the OT, if people want to change it, fine-but change it to what? If Josh Allen gets the ball, and scores a TD, then what? Sudden death? You’re right back to the reason they changed it. Should they just play a whole quarter? The you’d have people saying, well, if only they had another quarter… Should they just play until both teams are dead? “we would have won if our O-like hadn’t literally died!” It’s sudden death via touch down. You’re not even being asked to stop them, you’re being told you have to hold them to a field goal to get a chance. Defense did that three times yesterday. Lastly, Chiefs wanted to change it in 2019, and Bills ownership was one of the teams that voted no…so there you go. As for Acho, “You stop them!” No-because I do t play football, but that’s literally what the defense gets paid to do. If they change it I won’t be mad, but nobody cares about the OT rules until their team loses in the playoffs… And mobility, Cel? Mahomes had more rushing yards. And gown 4th down conversions did Josh Allen need to score. How many did Mahomes need? Of the Bills score a td instead of one of their four punts, then they don’t have to worry about it. At some point, boys-time runs out and the game has to end

[@josephnorris4095]

Both teams should each have an opportunity to score, period, it is not complicated so all that above is not important.

[@harveydentyobiych8543]

@@josephnorris4095 it’s professional sports and they had 60 mins to beat them. They couldn’t stop them for 13 seconds. Now bills wanna cry about overtime rules! The chiefs didn’t complain when this happened to them against the patriots. They come back the next year won the chip. Excuses are for child support court not the NFL PLAYOFFS

[@winstonstowers9121]

I reckon do it like this: 10min overtime where it's golden point and first team to score wins but if receiving team does it on their first drive then it goes to first team not to score a touch down off their drive. If both teams are tied at end of 10minutes than it goes to a kickoff moving 5 yards back each kick from the 40 until one team misses, finally if they both miss on same one it goes to which ever team scored the first touch down. Maximum overtime is probably still 15min so won't interfere with other games. Also Mahomes is easy the better QB, Josh Allen is great but some of the throws Mahomes makes (like the side sling around the defender to miss his raised arms) and the fact that he just gets it done when it seems impossible puts him as the better QB for me, outside of that I think Kelce and Hill as receivers helps balance out going against the Bills better defence because as great as Davis was Allen doesn't have any weapons on Kelce and Hill's level.

[@williamallen7984]

@@winstonstowers9121 then people would complain about how “It’s unfair that the team with the better kicker wins…” And I agree-again, Mahomes keeps getting it done. His bad year was as good as Josh Allen’s great one. And yeah, he has a great coach and hall of famers to throw to, but so does Tom Brady and he gets all the credit…

[@williamallen7984]

@@josephnorris4095 and then what? Both teams score a touchdown and then what?

[@heyymannnnnnn]

If your team gave up 50+ yards in the final 13 seconds to let the other team tie then win the game, you are not the better team

[@BrandonClark-StocksPassports]

BINGO !!!!!!!!!!

[@OlJackBurton]

13 seconds and 2 used timeouts on 2 plays. Never mind that the Chiefs gave up an entire touchdown in less than 50 seconds with only 1 timeout used. What Mahomes did is no more impressive that what Stafford did in the last 35 seconds and 2 plays with no timeouts in his divisional game against the Bucs. Stafford didn't have the entire field to use for both throws like Mahomes...

[@cdbfrmdaville]

@@OlJackBurton you are talking the man went down the field in 13 seconds matt stafford had 42 seconds what is you talking about. Matt Stafford was tied and blew a whole lead , Mahomes was down 3 with 13 seconds and 59 yards to go. Go cry about it you sound dumb asl

[@OlJackBurton]

@@cdbfrmdaville What part of no timeouts don't you understand? Stafford and Mahomes both took about the same amount of play time on their two throws. The only difference was that Mahomes had all 3 timeouts so he could throw in the middle of the field so he was harder to defend...

[@KFCplusA7X]

How were the Bills the better team? The Chiefs lead in pretty much ever statistic. More passing yards, more rushing yards, more first downs, more yards per play, better 3rd down efficiency, more time of possession, less penalties, and the win. What did the Bills do better??

[@Jombie5555555]

Of course they had more in those stats, they got the ball in the overtime to get more stats

[@johnvalverde9923]

@@Jombie5555555 they were better than them in all those categories in regulation, OT was just the icing on the cake

[@alexdefrancesco8787]

You’re only able to make that argument because the Chiefs won the coin toss… look at any other sport and you’ll see that every team always gets a chance to answer. Hockey shootout, multiple game series in baseball and the bottom of an inning to respond, etc. You can sit there and say “the right team won” but that’s only because of chance. It needs to make more sense, especially since we already acknowledge a field goal isn’t enough to win it alone anymore. It just doesn’t make sense.

[@blackielawless8814]

Nothing they are lifetime losers for a reason they couldn’t stop the chiefs bottom line...

[@johnvalverde9923]

@@alexdefrancesco8787 did you say that when the chiefs lost in 2018 tho?

[@hayleysipes3964]

Wiley saying the best team didn't win ... shocker. That man hates the chiefs. 😐

[@theamuspeyton8269]

So are you saying defense isn’t an equal part of the game?

[@kylec7381]

Exactly the defense job is to stop the offense from scoring. They're professionals who are paid millions. I think it's fair. Win the game or go home.

[@douglasritchey485]

No GM is taking Allen over Mahomes. It’s laughable.

[@unc54]

They would take Mahomes but it's far from laughable.

[@Pzone9]

Why wasn't anyone having this energy when chiefs lost the AFC championship? Defense didn't get the job done, just like theirs didn't.

[@riskkktakeee]

They like making mahomes look bad

[@moneyblue8466]

Fr and if our kicker never missed those extra field goals we wouldn’t even be talking about ot

[@razorsedge6468]

Mahomes ran for more yards with fewer attempts than Allen. Mahomes rushed for one TD also. Mahomes threw for more yards than Allen did too in this game. Allen - 329. Mahomes - 378. Allen rushed 11 times for 68 yards. Mahomes rushed 7 times for 69 yds and 1 TD. We lost the Honeybadger on the opening drive. Allen exploited that as he should have. Would he make the endzone passes if Tyrann Mathieu would not have been hurt? Who knows. But it was a definite factor in the Chiefs D. In the end, Allen had 9 TDS in his first two playoff game this year. So did Mahomes. Allen had 637 passing yds both playoff games this year combined. Mahomes had 782 passing yds in this year's two playoff games combined. I don't want to take anything away from Allen or the Bills. They played a great game. But so did Mahomes and the Chiefs. There will be some great games between these two in years to come. The AFC is rocking the QB position. Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, and others.

[@truuee9016]

Perfect breakdown. The better QB and team won.

[@Mattybearkc]

@Tory The Bills were without White for like half the season. They already adjusted how to play without him. Not an equal comparison to losing your main guy DURING the game. Mathieu was an actual part of the game plan then went down. Also there were no interceptions by either QB.

[@stevenh3508]

Stats were very similar between mahomes and allen - mahomes did better in every aspect against the #1 ranked defense and got the W. Proof that pff makes up their ratings. Also Allen had 4 punts, mahomes only 2......one is clearly better wiley, and your conclusively wrong 🤣

[@LakersNinersFan]

Acho is so stupid. Matt Ryan gave up a 28-3 lead. THAT is why he lost, not because of the overtime rules.

[@ghettogov6161]

I would say the defense mostly determines whether or not the offense scores but ok. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@LakersNinersFan]

@@ghettogov6161 Matt ryan never touched the ball during that 28-3 collapse?

[@ghettogov6161]

@@LakersNinersFan lol fair enough

[@jplaya2023]

Matt ryan was playing defense? How dumb are you

[@LakersNinersFan]

@@jplaya2023 Matt ryan never touched the ball during the collapse?

[@TheChkgrniv]

Football is a "TEAM" sport. This was Chiefs vs the Bills not Malholmes vs Allen. The league's best defense did not do its job when it counted. The defense failed, which means the team failed.

[@aghii458]

You’re right, it’s a team sport, meaning offense and defense. So why don’t both offenses and defenses get to play in overtime?

[@kevina.1724]

It is a team sport. But the Chiefs' defense didn't have to prove anything in OT like the Bills' defense had to. Make both defenses play and see what happens.

[@TheChkgrniv]

@@kevina.1724Hmm, I think the problem here is just some wording when describing what happened. People are talking about the defense and offense as if they are separate entities and don't depend on each other. They are part of a whole system. The Bills lost because of Bill's inability to stop the Chiefs. I think about it like this, if the left of my body stops functioning, my whole body fails.

[@Cb88x]

Overtime rules are very fair to me. The old rules were kinda cheap with fg's.

[@jnetbrown17]

I do too! Its like you teams dont want to get OT? Well then be ahead of the other team so they cant catch up and play OT.

[@danielburdisso1483]

The rules are not fair, all players should have the opportunity to win the game, not just half of them

[@danielburdisso1483]

That 11 overtime playoff games since the change went 10-1 in favor of the teams that won the toss, this clearly shows that the winner is basically randomly chosen, you might as well just have a coin toss and that’s it

[@Cb88x]

@@danielburdisso1483 they're very fair? What you mean? If you score a fg the other team has a chance to match that. If they score a TD you deserve to lose. You don't deserve another chance. Lol That's like if you score a game winning touchdown and saying give the other team a chance to match that. Lol no. You had 60 minutes to do that. Wtf. Lol O.t. is fair now. Back then you didn't have a chance to match if they hit a field goal. So teams only had to go like 50 yards to get in range. Now. If they did go back to old rules? I think it would be fair to make the teams start at their own 1 yard line. No kick off. Earn your field goal. From 55 yards. Lol

[@danielburdisso1483]

@@Cb88x You're basically saying that it is ok for a coin toss to determine a playoff game which is pretty much what it is right now, it isn't fair to half of the players since they have no say in whether of not the game ends, and no just because a team scores a TD does not mean the other team deserves to lose, imagine if this was a similar rule in basketball where whoever wins the jump ball gets the ball first and if they score a 3 pointer then the game ends, it's absolutely ridiculous, football is supposed to be a team game yet in overtime only half of the team matters

[@ronaldthemighty4809]

To me it's amazing how big this suddenly became. What happened when this same thing happened to the Chiefs against the Pats? Nothing! The Chiefs proposed a rule change allowing both teams to have a possession in the OT. It was laughed at. Not even voted on. We were whining because we lost. Hmmmm! Now it is a big deal? I call BS. I also call BS on the best team lost. What a stupid argument. The Chiefs led the whole game. Buffalo came back late. But could not finish. The Chiefs finished! What you use to grade a QB can be rebuffed with this: 4 years as a starter, 4 AFC Championship games, 2 consecutive AFC championships,( this year not decided yet, ) 1 MVP, 1 SB MVP, 1 SB win, 2 SB appearances in a row, possibly 3 (this year not decided yet.) A huge amount of NFL records, already. And believe me the list is about half of what he has done. In 4 years as a starter! What are Allen's accomplishments? Winning his division. Making it to the AFC championship, where he lost to Mahomes. We don't count player of the week, or month, awards. Mahomes has countless amounts of those as well. Head to head victories it is 3-1 Mahomes. Come back with your argument when your subject wins something! Stupid takes, stupid points, and to call someone else dumb, your little (and I do mean little) play on words was utter nonsense! much like your biased BS takes. I like Josh Allen! He is a class act. And he is coming on. He will be a force. But this under cutting Mahomes is total BS! Honestly I am tired of the talking heads trying to say they are right, even when they are wrong. Even though my pick lost I'm still right! Wrong picks, wrong facts, BS opinions. Amazing!

[@faxkellerman8610]

Bills were scared playing for a tie they played soft they were afraid of Mahomes throwing a TD in the last 13 seconds.

[@GLA45Amg716]

It’s because of hill

[@JamesASharp]

PATHETIC!!

[@lordodin1973]

Wiley mad af 🤣🤣

[@chessmyantidrug]

It's wild to me how Wiley can say the QB who had fewer passing yards, fewer rushing yards, and a lower QBR was the better QB. Does Allen even throw any TDs if Chiefs DBs stay on their feet?

[@KCNavyMan]

Or if Honey Badger doesn't leave with a concussion

[@andrewmarc5181]

I think Allen has a secret admirer, Chiefs left 4pts off the board, if they made those kicks, they would've never went to overtime. So bills were not the best team. Chiefs made a mistake and had to fight without their best safety all game to get that back and they did. He just hates KC, I'm telling you, if buffalo would've won the toss and won, we wouldn't be talking about this

[@chessmyantidrug]

@@andrewmarc5181 If those kicks are made, it changes everything the rest of the game. There's no telling how decisions would have played out. Buffalo may have been more likely to go for it on 4th down. Buffalo might have tried more 2-point conversions. At the very least, the kick at the end of regulation would have been for the win.

[@andrewmarc5181]

@@chessmyantidrug which would also mean KC played better

[@chessmyantidrug]

@@andrewmarc5181 Without a doubt.

[@kambuibomani231]

2016: Falcons blew a 28-3 lead so their OT loss should’ve never happened if they closed the game. 2019: KC was on pace to make the SB but Dee ford lined up offsides nullifying a game-sealing pick that would’ve prevented OT in the first place. 2021: Bills were up three with 13 seconds left and their top-ranked defense folded at the end of regulation and OT to squander their upset chances. Just tell the whole story

[@demetriusthomas1261]

Good points

[@moneyblue8466]

I thought it was 2018

[@JamesASharp]

EXACTLY! 💯

[@jjmmiv33816]

They shouldn’t have changed the rules back in 2010, when a field goal only could win in OT. That’s seems much better. Curious how the “whole story” is needed for a “new game”, to quote the ref. Regulation is nullified due to tie. Like it never happened.

[@kambuibomani231]

@@jjmmiv33816 because most times OT doesn’t happen if a few plays in regulation were executed. No one complained the falcons didn’t get a touch in the SB because we were all like they should’ve never blew a 28-3 lead. Kansas City fans had a slight gripe when they lost the 2018 AFC title game but me watching the game then they loss because of discipline in regulation (Dee Ford offsides) and berry being washed up (because he was targeted twice when covering gronk on third downs in OT). As for this 10-1 coin toss narrative, seven of those wins were when both teams TOUCHED THE BALL. I think the rule might get changed but it comes down to what the owners feel they get out of it because I don’t think all will sympathize with the bills and cave in to an OT change.

[@jameskelly2094]

I'm a Chief fan and you know I wasn't that upset that Patrick didn't get a chance. We took our L and came back next year and Won against Tom Brady period. Josh Allen and the Bills need to prove next year that they can clear the hurdle to achieve Superbowl.

[@hinata365247]

Me either! I wasn't that upset that mahomes didn't get a chance to touch the ball back then. I was like oh well! We will be back next year and we did!

[@louischampagnon3670]

Mahomes made the number 1 defence look like fools. Josh Allen had one of the best QB performances of all time but against a worse defence and tyran mathieu injured. When you think a game was over (0:13 left) and you bring that game back from the death and win you deserve it. Lions fan

[@ricardoburton7688]

They have been destroying No.1 defenses since 2 seasons ago!!

[@bobbymira8234]

Mahomes makes a lot of teams look bad. He's Mahomes. Tell us something we don't know....

[@devinsobieraj3945]

What’s your point? We were without our All-Pro corner Tre White. If he was in there’s no way this game goes the way it does, there’s a 7th round 2nd year guy with a few games under his belt filling in for him (not a knock on him at all, he did the best he could).

[@bobbymira8234]

@@devinsobieraj3945 My point is the guy who said Mahomes makes the defense looks bad, has nothing to do with the rules of OT. He's basically saying since you guys messed up, you don't deserve to win and who cares about OT? I, on the other hand think you guys were robbed. I think the OT rules are stupid. Josh Allen should have a chance to do something in OT. Not just watch Mahomes from the bench. I actually think you guys had the most complete defense in the NFL this year and if only the game was in Buffalo, probably a different outcome. I really think the 13 second drive was on the coach tbh. He should have either squib kicked it to take a few seconds off, or kick it right at the 2 yard line to force a return and take a few seconds. Then he should have told the defenders to hold the KC receivers on every play. Its a 5 yard penalty but so what? It takes time off the clock for each play and they only get 5 yards on the penalty and they'll be well short of the 45 yard line on the last play....

[@Knowing341]

@@devinsobieraj3945 Tre White been missing about 2 months and your defense adapted and still ranked number one. Tyrann was lost suddenly in the game. There were no weeks of adjusting to his absence. Safeties are the ones who usually communicate with defensive backfield

[@AntwonePerkins]

it's called DEFENSE. If you don't want to lose stop them from scoring a TOUCHDOWN. Limiting the offense to a FIELD GOAL or TURNOVER would allow you to get the ball on OFFENSE. This is the NFL. IT IS HARDER THAN COLLEGE. WIN OR GO HOME BY ANY MEANS (Offensive or Defensive Plays)

[@AntwonePerkins]

@shahid kalimur 💯 EXACTLY

[@zachstyles4378]

Both offenses were amazing. Both defenses played poorly. The chiefs and bills were playing the same game. Why are we letting the result ride on a coin flip in games like these? It cheapens the win. I have no doubt Josh Allen would have scored if he got the ball. The only reason people like you are trashing the Bills defense is because they lost the coin toss. If it had landed tails you’d be saying the same thing about the Chiefs. It’s a stupid rule.

[@mikejones972]

You ARE RIGHT. It's why I wanted to see the chiefs play defense too !

[@stevenh3508]

@@zachstyles4378 except Mahomes embarrassed the top ranked defense while Allen needed the honey badger out of the 15th ranked defense to consistently hit a wide open davis from that point on. Thats why the OT argument for this game is nonsense. Mahomes won that game, his kicker is the reason OT was even needed. Not to mention the Bills voted about changing the OT rule 3 years ago when KC tried, this is what they get.

[@joshp5563]

5:52

[@DuckFanDane]

Give me a break with Wiley saying the best team didn’t win. They lead most of the game and they counteract every punch the bills made until they won even going as far as getting a field goal in 13 seconds and going nearly 60 yards that is where his homerism is coming into play. Josh Allen is not better he has not proven that. I would love to know how Josh Allen is better I mean he doesn’t have the championships he doesn’t have an MVP like Patrick Mahomes he doesn’t have the stats. He’s never been to the Super Bowl. He’s only been to the conference championship once and he got blown out by the very quarterback that beat him yesterday. You can say Josh Allen is more talented and maybe he is but if he is it’s just like by a tech but Mahomes is the better player and he played better yesterday. If Josh Allen was a grade he is not a 4.4 on a report card to Patrick Mahomes 4.0 he is a 3.7 pretty close but just not what Patrick Mahomes is. I love how Wiley left out the detail that the Chiefs were playing behind the eight ball because their best safety one of the best in the NFL the honey badger was out after the first drive for the rest of the game which left the defense way more susceptible and the Chiefs kicker had an uncharacteristic field-goal miss and extra point and they still found a way to win there should have never been an overtime. It’s just hilarious hall people make excuses for the bills

[@Johenz]

Buffalo was the better team yesterday

[@mrauttomatichst13]

The bills pop played off skrrrr?? What game did u watch

[@bobbymira8234]

Buffalo has the better overall team if you look at the stats. If the game was played on a neutral site, good chance its a different outcome. Home field in football makes a difference. Doesn't mean they win every game, but sports books usually give you 3 points for playing at home...

[@maxjulien188]

I agree that Mahomes has accomplished more in his career, and that is because he started out with a team that was loaded with weapons, while Josh, on the other hand, had scrubs to work with in his first two years in the league. However, in the game yesterday, Josh Allen was a little better than Mahomes. He did everything in his power to give his team the victory, however, his Defence and bad coaching caused him the game and or let him down. The fact that the Bills D could not secure a win with only 13 seconds left considering that they were ranked #1 in the NFL is unacceptable. Josh Allen converted on 4th and 13 twice are you serious? Furthermore, just like how you stated that the KC Chiefs did not have their best safety, I could equally say that the Bills did not have their best corner in Tredavious White to contain Tyreek Hill. Additionally, I don't know what game you were watching, but the Chiefs had the lead for most of the game after they tied it at 7.

[@MrGhostface85]

@@bobbymira8234 I’m rooting for the 49ers to win it all. I can’t get past these sore winner Chiefs fans.

[@ravensknicks3138]

Rules were fine until the results aren’t what’s desired.

[@slimischillin7753]

Right. Everybody’s just upset because they all picked against the chiefs and they won in the fashion they did.

[@ravensknicks3138]

@@slimischillin7753 that’s what it seems like to me too.

[@juliothom2408]

Win the dang game in regulation, and you don't need to worry about OT.

[@adtastic1533]

Hello Mr Obvious

[@joshp5563]

5:52

[@jfacts192]

Where were the public outcry about Over time rules change, when Chiefs lost to Patriots 3 years ago in OT and Mahomes never touch the football in OT? I did not hear nothing from Wiley and others about OT rules changes.

[@EdgarGomez-nx2dr]

What do you mean? There was a massive outcry back then…

[@rdogletree4543]

@@EdgarGomez-nx2dr Right, I've been hearing people wanting it changed for a very long time, since my childhood days and I'm 41. I remember when college didn't even play overtime. Whatever the score was at the end of regulations was the final score, even in bowl games since there wasn't a National Championship back then.

[@jabarricharles-barnes658]

Chiefs asked to change the rule in 2019 lol everyone rejected it, stop it

[@johnvalverde9923]

Y’all weren’t making this change OT rules when Mahomes lost, come on now

[@hamp6781]

Hmmm the Bills was the better team? I think the Chiefs was because they won 😂😂😂

[@jamesmorton5017]

They already changed the rule. The Bills and the Chiefs both had plenty of times to win.

[@jjc9553]

Exactly

[@skillethead15]

And what happens if the Chiefs score then the Bills score and then the Chiefs kick a field goal to win? You are in the same boat as when OT first started. The only way to make it fair is to make playoff overtime like the NBA’s and play until someone wins.

[@triptin24]

@@skillethead15 your comment proves you have no idea what you are talking about. Just a lazy comment. Think about it. Use your brain and you can find the solution.

[@soda8736]

Leave to sports media to lead off every show talking about a rule change after mabey the best divisional round ever

[@stewscratchalot639]

Acho always forgets to add the major context when he goes to the board. He forgot to mention that before that play the chiefs still had 2 timeouts why are you playin for the sideline and the team has 2 timeouts there goin to throw the ball in the middle of the field

[@havok5538]

Good Catch

[@leighwright3450]

EXACTLY 💯, the Bills don't get enough blame for the fact that they played way too SOFT in their defensive coverage on the last chiefs possession in regulation, it was NO excuse for allowing them to be able to get in position for a game tying field goal with it only being thirteen seconds left.

[@drak1258]

The Bills lost this game not because of the coin toss but because their defense let the Chiefs go 44 yards on 2 plays with 13 seconds left in regulation. They thought the game was over so their defense didn’t show up. I don’t agree with the overtime rules and I think they need to be changed also, but to say that they lost because of the coin toss is just an excuse.

[@juniorlisius3865]

I would say not even 13secs but 10secs if we consider the 3secs that they had left to kick the FG.

[@Dr.TuRon_Davis]

So Marcellus what's the point of having defense? When you can't stop someone regardless of what phase the game it is and they score, you lose.

[@doctordef324]

Maybe it's not the defense that will win the game!!!! Hence, there should be a rule change!! BOTH TEAMS SHOULD HAVE A GO AT IT!!!!

[@maryvasquez9182]

@Doctor Def let's take it further....how bout eliminate the Superbowl and just give every team a Participation Award!! Yeah that's the ticket.....nah

[@doctordef324]

@@maryvasquez9182 well hey, if the majority vote is Change the rule, change the rule. Obviously most of us see something that's unsatisfactory. You must be a Patrick Mahomes fan! I get it now!🤧

[@maryvasquez9182]

@Doctor Def I certainly am, and what of it? I'm sure you are a fan of someone but shouldn't matter. It's the teams and commisioner that ultimately can make the change. The Chiefs petioned for a change in 2018 and it was not a majority then and doubt it would be now. The Bills team was against a change then as well, but of course, it didn't affect them at that time like it does now. You had to point out that I am a Mahomes fan. Yes, I have been since his TX Tech days and you must be a hater. It's okay if you are that's your deal. I respect if you don't like him or the Chiefs but no need to disrespect me for it. Mahomes has always been a very respectful and overall good person. He is humble and gives those he plays against the respect they deserve.

[@doctordef324]

@@maryvasquez9182 they'll make the super bowl but that's where it ends!!! The LA Rams will send them home with their tails between their legs!!🗣😎!! GO RAMS!!!!!!💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@angelmedina1629]

Marcellus wasn’t saying this for the chiefs when we lost to Brady a few years ago. Keep the same energy dumb dumb

[@kevindevine9378]

Or how about you don’t let someone go 44 yards in 13 seconds?

[@deangeloj4349]

Wiley is a clown that got humilliated by mahomes once again!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ave383]

The best team should've played some defense

[@thefiguredude]

Wiley is so hurt. Chargers were the “better team” when we beat them, too. So mad that the #1 defense in the league couldn’t be the #1 defense in the league when it mattered.

[@jonathanjacobs7063]

So we gonna act like mahomes didn't go down the field with 13 seconds

[@jackrobbie6313]

Overtime rules are fine. Its exciting and just perfect. Bills had 13sec to stop the chiefs🤦🏾‍♂️ don't be mad when you choke

[@Chiefs555]

That was one of the biggest choke jobs in NFL history.

[@moneyblue8466]

Right and let’s not forget how the bills didn’t back us up back in 2018 when the chiefs wanted to change the rules in ot and the bills said no and our kicker also kinda messed up cause we wouldn’t even be in ot if he didn’t miss those previous field goals

[@mntrader51]

You missing the point. No one is debating if it's exciting. The debate is if its fair or not. And the answer is, it aint fair. At least give me a chance to fire back... parity.

[@credvoid7653]

Patrick Mahomes is absolutely the best qb right now and it’s not close

[@johnnyknowstv3287]

Birds literally had no TM in the back, not saying Davis wouldn’t have done what he did but I believe there’s was miss communication in the secondary . Allen knew that hints why it was more smart to attack the whole rather then give it to his #1 receiver. Pat did it against that prolific defense that everyone was talking about. How does that make sense, Both balled out , but one had it a bit easier because Tyrann being out. Chiefs secondary made mistakes.

[@phoenixebner5761]

By that logic you could say that the Chiefs had it easier because Tre White, one of the best defensive players in the league was out... Both teams had to play with who they had, that's the game. There isn't a definitive answer as to who would have won that if OT rules gave each side a fair chance, but that game was decided on a coin toss because at that point whichever team got that ball was winning OT.

[@andrewvlogs9371]

@@phoenixebner5761 no one was mad when chiefs lost to pats on OT and don’t forget mahomes didn’t touch the ball either… SMH it just hurts because your team got the short end this time. Enjoy the couch watching us play next week and enjoy the season you had.

[@joshwalker5018]

@@phoenixebner5761 the thing is the chiefs d is no where in the realm of the bills d even without white

[@phoenixebner5761]

@@andrewvlogs9371 I've said that rule is stupid for years now, I don't think it's fair to the players to have them battle for 60 mins and then say here let's flip a coin to see who wins

[@noelbackwards]

@@phoenixebner5761 The Bills have been playing without White for months now. They prepared for this game without him. Mathieu was part of the game plan and prepared to have him all week and he left in the first quarter. Totally different situations.

[@melvinfreeman6289]

Everybody hates the OT rules today but I haven’t heard not one person propose a better rule. All this crying but no solution is pointless in my eyes

[@Kanfachan]

Here’s a better rule: As soon as the first team scores (no matter if it’s by TD or FG) the opposing team will be granted the ball (like it would in regular time) and given an opportunity to either match that score or better it. Should the opposing team fail to do either, then it looses the game. Should the opposing team score higher points, then it wins the game. However, should the opposing team tie the game, then the previous team will regain another opportunity to score. Whoever fails to score or scores the least points on a drive (provided that the opposing team scored in their corresponding drive) loses. In other words: the team who’s able to score the most points on a single drive, while simultaneously preventing the opposition from being able to do so on their drive, should win the game.

[@gilesdavis100]

Lol Chiefs tried to get the rule changed no other teams agreed

[@antonioespola4169]

I am cheifs fan and to be fair they had scored with 13 seconds left all they had to do was play defense.

[@bcpkccable]

I love this show so much Y’all are great. But it’s always gonna be excuses for whoever plays against the chiefs. I agree the rule is the dumb but it was the #1 defense should’ve stopped them right? Since Marcellus talking about phases what if OT was only kickoffs and the first team to score a KR won the game. That way there isn’t a their best player didn’t get to touch the ball narrative. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@bobbymira8234]

All you guys keep talking about what should be done in regulation so there is no OT. Thats so lame. Who cares about what needed to be done in regulation or if they are the number 1 defense? Were talking about the fairest way to play overtime.

[@dolpherarnold238]

@@bobbymira8234 Right because if any team gets stop on 3rd down it's now 4th down they kick the field goal the other team get the ball back too score but not get the ball back after a touchdown that's crazy I can recall before they even change the overtime rules the first team too scores wins the game no matter if it's an field goal or a touchdown why not give both teams too score might of well just call it sudden death then instead of overtime since u can't play the game like it says overtime meaning the rafree's hath too stay intil the end of the football game

[@brandondorsey7204]

Hard disagree with Acho. If you allow both offenses to touch the ball then you open yourself up to a disadvantage for the winner in the next week. An OT game can't end in a tie, so do you really want the winner of an OT game who had to play for potentially multiple additional quarters to have to go out in a week and play a team that is totally fresh? The OT rules are imperfect but they may be the best flawed option.

[@zachstyles4378]

Not a great argument. We should let the OT stay flawed just so the winner doesn’t get tired? The aftermath of a really tough game is part of the sport. The rules should be changed so that the winner has to earn it by stopping the opposing offense after scoring, not by getting lucky.

[@brandondorsey7204]

@@zachstyles4378 We just disagree. I don't think that a satisfactory solution involves adding unintended consequences that impact competitiveness in the playoffs. If the issue is the coin toss, then simply get rid of it. Treat OT like an extra quarter. If Team A scores last, and would be kicking off, then let Team B start OT with the ball. All other rules remain the same. If Team A kicks off during regulation and Team B has the ball on the 50 and it's 3rd and 10, then start OT with Team B on the 50 and it's 3rd and 10. I say all of that to say, there are solutions to the issue of having it decided by a coin flip, without changing the sudden death nature of the game. I am not in favor of any solution having the unintended consequence of impacting the next game, because we see it happen in other sports. Quantitative professional sports bettors account for teams who played additional minutes beyond regulation. I don't want to open pandora's box in which, you could end up with multiple OT periods in the NFL.

[@tay215philly]

@@zachstyles4378 so what if both teams score? Would it not still come down to sudden death? Or would both teams keep getting the opportunity to stop the other? That sounds like regulation does it not? The rules are fine. Win in regulation, that way you don’t have to worry about overtime rules.

[@joshp5563]

@@tay215philly 5:52

[@tay215philly]

@@joshp5563 and. He said all that to say what? This isn’t the draft. It’s overtime in an actual game. One has nothing to do with the other in this conversation.

[@AveryB.0]

KC had more yards, first downs, higher 3rd down completion percentage, higher yards per play, fewer penalties, ran more plays, and had the ball for 9 mins longer! They deserved to win 1000%

[@robertlewis78]

That bills defense was so bad..... Even worse then the chiefs. Your suppose to be number 1 d but ur getting cooked like wtf

[@dredai]

Regardless the Bills, although giving up more yards, first downs, higher 3rd down completion percentage, more yards per play, more plays, more yards to penalties and time of possession, they were right there, point for point to the very end. Based on how both teams defenses played down the stretch its easy to conclude whoever had the ball last will win.

[@yzfool6639]

@@robertlewis78 Mahomes made them look pedestrian.

[@philmiller5401]

I don't understand why they can't let each team a chance to score a TD on their first OT drive. Give both teams equal amount of drives till the score is unequal. It's not complicated

[@quarterbackin3262]

The only DUMB one is the guy on the sports show that’s been wrong 11 out of the last 12 weeks because he’s always Hatin on Mahomes nobody dumb that’s just dumb for you to say that!

[@LuckyFin85]

Bills played the same defense the entire game and the Chiefs shredded it and instead of making adjustments at the half, they stuck with it. They only changed it when the Chiefs needed a FG to tie at the end of regulation and they guarded the sideline (with the Chiefs having three timeouts) and played like 15 yards off from Tyreek and Kelce. Let’s go ahead and blame the OT rules for the Bills losing though.

[@sultansalahuddin113]

The question is if the Bills get an opportunity after KC scores then what? Double overtime? You can't let a playoff go on and on and you can't have a tie so they are doing the only option. These things are well thought about by the NFL. As far as the best team winning argument. It doesn't matter. KC won within the rules of the game. Better luck next year Buffalo.

[@cspdx11]

Tons of ways to make it shorter times but kore equitable

[@danielburdisso1483]

You can just have the game run forever, it is unlikely that a playoff game would last more than the overtime period even if the rules were changed so that each team gets an equal chance

[@tinytree649]

I say both teams get chance score n must go for 2 then next score wins if successful 1st try for each team

[@oboe23able]

All you need to do is allow a response. A team will miss a touchdown sooner than later. If you are concerned about long games? Fine. Make it a postseason only rule where this is going to be an issue less often.

[@chrisfarnan4426]

The "best team" is always just someone's opinion. Prove it on the field with the rules we both have to abide by and live with the results. Thats what sport is.

[@Independent365]

YES! Its silly AF. Teams winning the coin flip are 10-1 in last 11 OT playoff games. Imagine if the NBA did that where the team who wins the coin toss can win the game just by scoring a single bucket in the first possession...

[@easymoney9851]

Do the overall don't just do playoffs, what's the percentage?

[@idlereport]

Going off last night's game if the rules were changed both teams got the ball we would have 5 overtime final score 76 -76 4am I'm the morning. This problem is complex because the nfl is the only sport where defense and offense play separately.

[@carlomanymusic6379]

I'm not agree to OT rules, those teams have 4 60 mts to get it done, ot is ot, do not change anything......please

[@zadafcb]

yes, they should, but it wasn't the reason the Bills lost. It was Leslie Frazier calling possibly the worst defensive drive in NFL history. After giving up that FG, they deserved to lose. I still cannot comprehend what was going through Frazier's mind

[@rodriguezpierre81]

An atrocious and fireable call! WTF was that?!!!!

[@willplummer2733]

bro as a bucs fan I feel your pain but i think i got you beat. Our defensive coach called a zero blitz with 35 seconds left in the game and with the rams having no timeouts.....

[@zadafcb]

@@willplummer2733 nah, that was worse. The call Bowles made could have worked if, Winfield knew the call. Yes it was still, bad but not as bad as giving up 40 yards in 13 seconds, while defending the sidelines when the Chiefs had their timeouts

[@diallo1347]

When the Chiefs lost to the Bucs in OT, they asked the League and the other teams to petition for a rule change, and no one backed them, not even the Bills. Now, the Bills are whining about the OT rules. Too late, you had multiple shots to stop Mahomeboy. Great game, great ending.

[@Osiris4181]

It was the Patriots but yeah I agree

[@videoorgy]

lol. Are the Bills whining? Or is it just fans and media people whining? And it wasn't the Bucs they lost to. It was the Patriots ...

[@moneyblue8466]

And let’s not forget how we wouldn’t even be in ot if our kicker never missed field goals

[@bluthunder05]

We should change it and give every team a trophy as well...

[@samadams329]

I don't think the rule needs to be changed I'm so tired of it being all about the offense both teams had a chance to win in regulation and the bills defense had the chance to stop KC from scoring

[@SilkandScrooge]

This season is too close to tell. Just give a ring to everyone.

[@Evacamposjesusfreak]

Why didn't anyone cry when chiefs got beat in 2018 afc champ?

[@karl123graf]

Number defense could not stop Patrick for 13 seconds. Josh was playing against a worst defense than Buffalo!

[@camdenjackson1929]

The Chiefs were clearly the better team yesterday. No idea what game Wylie was watching, but the Chiefs were in the lead almost the entire game. They also left 4 points off the board in Field Goals/Extra Points. Had more time of possession. Had more rushing and passing yards than the Bills. Had more first downs. Better third down percentage, Less penalties, And less punts. The Chiefs absolutely deserved to win that game.

[@DariusClarkWallace]

Once again the 2 former NFL defensive players failed to focus on the DEFENSE. The #1 defense in the league couldn't hold a team for 13 seconds and couldn't even hold them to a td in OT. You also didn't mention Honey Badger getting hurt on the 1st drive. Plus if Butker doesn't miss the extra point or the fg then Bills don't even survive to OT. Chiefs were clearly the better team. Chiefs had a harder schedule and a better record. Mahomes also lead Allen in EVERY statical category this season.

[@footmantheman]

Most people are saying they should have squib kick to burn clock. Since they didn't, all they needed to do was immediately grab/hold receivers at the line of scrimmage which was the 25 yard line. Taking a 5 yard holding penalty would move the ball to 30 yard line and burn at least 5 or more seconds off the clock. The Chiefs would only have time for one more play and it would not be in range for a field goal try. I probably would have taken two 5 yard holding penalties at the line of scrimmage to be sure KC wouldn't have time to get into field goal range to tie the game. Wiping away 13 seconds should have been easy for coaches who get paid.

[@DrD3m3nt0]

The best team always wins since the winner is determined by the score.

[@bertlouden2213]

Best team lost? Did we forget that they left 4 point out there with a missed field goal and an extra point. 🤔

[@lancesagucio5615]

My opinion: you flip at the beginning of the game, decide who receives. At the half the other team team receives. So wouldn’t it make sense as you to go into the overtime to give the ball back to the one who receives at the beginning of the game. That would change the way teams always defers at the beginning, knowing that they will receive the ball on the next OT series.

[@Hennymane]

I actually like this a lot

[@dangelo_912]

Wouldn’t be an overtime for all y’all to cry about if butker makes his kicks

[@justinkooker1460]

The overtime rule is fair and fine otherwise we would just watch the two of them score again and again and again . The game would last far too long. Get over it it happened to us we suggested in the off season to change it the rest of the NFL voted it down so now you get what you get lol.

[@kevina.1724]

After 10 minutes if it's tied, each team gets the ball at the 3yd line for 1 play, like they do in college. Gotta get a stop to win.

[@thepsuguy12]

The better team is the one that win's the game (unless some egregious reffing occurs). The argument that the Bills were the better team and lost in this scenario is terrible. You play the game within the existing rule set. The Bills had the #1 defense and needed to prevent a 75 yd touchdown drive in order to give their QB a chance. They didn't do that and were not the best team.

[@dominicishmael]

Not sure he knows what parity means.

[@Chiefs555]

Nope

[@mrlane3442]

Same thing happened to mahomes against Brady , it is what it is

[@allanfuentes9694]

Yes since no one plays defense anymore only token defenses

[@kotyzuroweste7112]

How many times did Bills punt against the Chiefs average defense? How many times did the number 1 defense force Mahomes and Co to punt? I’ll wait…

[@freetheworld2671]

Wiley played for the Cowboys my Cowboys I may add and guess who else? Buffalo so bias is in his statement Josh is great; he ain't Mahomes.

[@Studmuffin_69]

Every other sport allows both teams a chance at winning. Baseball…extra innings Basketball…extra quarter Hockey…extra period Soccer…extra time, nobody scores, penalty kicks by both teams Same thing for tennis and many other sports. At least football should allow the other team one chance to score if the team that win the coin toss scores first. At least give both teams a chance.

[@IamSSAINVINCIBLEx]

This topic was already talked about in 2018 after the AFC Championship and even the Chiefs suggested a rule change and didn't get it. Why would it be any different now?

[@yzfool6639]

You know why.

[@IamSSAINVINCIBLEx]

@@yzfool6639 i don't

[@moneyblue8466]

Y’all didn’t say that about 2018 when we went against the patriots

[@Kelrra]

This argument will happen over and over again. If both teams have to get the ball, what happens if they both get a touchdown? It would turn into sudden death again. Unless the NFL takes on the college football OT rules, there is no parity.

[@BigRonRN18]

I actually would like to see OT go the way college football does it... EXCEPT, during the regular season, there is only one OT. In post-season play, overtimes beyond the first, each team MUST go for 2-points on a touchdown. This will likely create a few more ties in the regular season, which adds to playoff intrigue. It will still likely be fewer ties than prior to the NFL creating overtime.

[@Actionronnie]

@@BigRonRN18 in Canada (CFL) I guess it's more of the college route. Reg season teams start at the 35, try and get a FG or TD or gett stuffed lol. Mandatory 2 pt con after a TD. Tied after one round, goes to a second round, if it's still tied that's it. Playoffs you keep going until a winner is decided. Our Grey Cup went to OT in December. Winnipeg Blue Bombers scored a TD and got the 2 PT convert. Hamilton tiger cats got an opportunity to match, but it got picked off and game over. It even made it on Jomboy's channel cause it was a three player tip for an int 😆

[@vinsanity982]

Simplest solution is, first team to possess may only kick the extra point. Second team to possess must go for two. If the first team misses their extra point, then the second team will be allowed to kick the extra point for the win. If they fail to score or match field goals, or just match 6, then it goes into sudden death.