Will Gathering WIN In The War Within? Short/Long Term Speculation - Beta

We took a brief look at gathering the other week, but now we take a close look at how quality works to see if the changes made to gathering will mean big wins in the short and long term!
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0:00 Intro
0:48 How gathering changed in Dragonflight
2:43 TWW gathering changes and examples
10:04 Who's "winning" in the TWW economy?
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[@CanadiaTV]

Rank1 materials can be great for crafting toys or the engineering mount. Basically any item that doesn't have a quality

[@teej143]

Thanks for the info, but I'm so distracted by how dope that flying car is! I WANT IT NOW!

[@NerdsonDirtMTB]

I'm not a crafter I'd rather be out and about in the game world so all my toons are gathers, I'm excited to see a good market for mats again.

[@iamdachampion09]

THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!

[@tronicmighty7464]

Dragonflight profession was so confusing and complex and people were selling the material for stupidity expensive on my realms and the stuff we sell were really cheap. I do hope it will be easier in the war within and making gold easier.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

Explaining things in a brief video is no substitute for the hands on experience. But I make these to help ease the knowledge into people so what seems complicated is easier to manage.

[@tronicmighty7464]

@@SoulSoBreezy true I agree what you said but I’m hoping thing will be easier to learn in the war within

[@timj11dude]

This is a great overview, and very hopeful for a more interesting crafting order market in TWW. Any speculation on whether concentration will or should, become an Warbound resource?

[@ginch6448]

I need some aspirin and a nap.....

[@SeventhSwell]

Win or not, gathering is all I'll do anymore after Blizz killed the fun of professions for me in DF. Might keep engineering for wormholes and the loot-a-rang, but DF and probably TWW professions can eat a bag of, I dunno, something bad.

[@wischi8301]

hey nice video, what is this funny rocket/spaceship mount and where do i get it.

[@petersheard1002]

You get it from Delves in The War Within

[@scottsavage6174]

"Blizzard has the knobs"

[@johnathantroxtel1502]

Whatever mount that is at the beginning of the video is super-duper cool lookin'!

[@hypernoxxy2421]

It’s the new Delves mount! Fully customizable

[@johnathantroxtel1502]

@@hypernoxxy2421 That's fantastic! Thanks for the heads up!

[@Das_Coffee]

I love it at like 6:15 "Are we really going to see a client want an epic piece with only rank 1 mats?" me: of course not! They won't provide any mats, or money!

[@baneleaf7025]

I keep leaning more and more to having my evoker be my gathering toon. They are already set up that way for dragonflight and with their racial flying being set for dynamic flight it could get real interesting. I usually run a druid as a dual but with normal flying only unlocking after a time and dracthyr getting their racial bonus I think the lizard is the answer.

[@Jim-og9oc]

since you are doing tests using different ranks of mats i am wondering is the "master craftsman" character the race that has bonus skill from racial? or is 525/525 obtainable by any race?

[@eddiegraham9273]

On the beta, how do you get crafting materials. AH prices are absurd. Is there a "cheat vendor" that sells everything? Or do I have to literally go farm everything myself?

[@Bullit151]

With the inclusion of Concentration I hope they will now allow general crafting order clients to request minimum quality levels. Although I would also expect orders wanting a 5* craft whilst supplying the lowest (cheapest) level mats.

[@markjackson4231]

Bro whats that mount? im used to the shredder mount but i havnt seen the chopper mount

[@Thadeka.]

You get it from Delves in The War Within

[@JamesEtallaz]

Great video. Your take on winning at gathering is optimistic and very hopeful. But I see no evidence (so far) that the various R1, R2, and R3 mats will be priced exponentially more expensive in TWW. Do you have more speculation/data to support your claim?

[@evilme73]

ofc not... he's a hypetuber... he monetizes optimism.

[@kensmith-sl6yt]

Until Blizz bans bots quicker the material market will be rough. Blizz needs to double the materials needed for crafting or have a material sink.

[@user-re7sm2hr9b]

It's simply not possible to ban bot completly unless they create a kernel anticheate. And personally, I dont cate enough to want one. Wow is especially easy to bot because of its brain dead control. Tab target and simple movement. Even dragon flying is too simple which mean bots are everywhere.

[@QuellAle]

Ehm, to be fair, banning bots would lead to material scarcity and then inflation of the final product. I think it would damage the playerbase in the long run.

[@Scuuurbs]

⁠@@QuellAlenot really. If Blizz could get rid of bots, we would see the market fluctuate for a bit, yeah, but then gathering would be profitable and more people would do it, which would drive the prices back down. Worst case scenario, if prices went up and nobody wanted to gather, Blizz has the ability to balance crafting to require fewer reagents, or cause harvest nodes to yield more mats, or hell, even design a way for gatherers to automate the process. Bots are never required. They are a parasite. Literal human scum.

[@nerdkartoffl9019]

@@QuellAle No it will not. It did not in the early expansions and would not in the modern expansions. Especially since the AH is now region wide. Bots are a cancer to the game and the economy. My guess is that blizzard is rather taking the money from bots then banning them as fast as they could.

[@OGTaddy]

If this is how materials work now, I pray to the wow Gods that orders will no longer be able to be placed with no materials or tip. Will be even more punishing than in dragonflight if mats stay like this.

[@wvjeepguy8178]

I just recently came back to retail and I don't like the new crafting system. Just way too complicated and unnecessary to make some potions.

[@zoariel1]

What do you guys think will be the best spec for each gathering prof for the best profit early in TWW ?

[@UltimateGamerCC]

R1 mats are really good fodder for leveling and obtaining first time skillups, while R3 will be preferred for Crafting five star goods. likely R2 will be the least purchased, just because it is the middle child.

[@BrisketBBQ]

If R3 are more rare on gathering then the R1 and R2 maintain their value as they can be refined into higher ranks.

[@jessicahampton4581]

So does that mean the crafting noc will be asking for rank 3or higher materials.???

[@BundyBro_]

My question to Blizzard about these crafting changes in DF/TWW is this: Why? Why complicate something that was already approachable and easy? Because you wanted people to know you played FF14? So we all have to suffer confusion? Theres 3 ranks of mats, 5 ranks of gear, but also you need max crest ilvl to max out ur gear, get a spark, but also the crafter has to be spec'd/geared properly. Who asked for any of this? All these crafting changes seem like a solution to Blizzards inability to make gear have a decent curve over the expansion. Wotlk at 80 was 200 ilvl in heroic blues all the way to 270 by the time it ended in the twilight raid. Meanwhile DF had like 3 expansions worth of ilvl in nearly 2 years. Get ready for another squish after TWW. Idk maybe IM the crazy one, but i thought the old system of obtaining new recipes each patch and crafting gear as an alternative gain until you get ur bis or maybe that crafted was ur bis, was a fine system. But hey, Blizzards special. If it aint broke, BREAK IT. And if its good, make it useless.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

This'll come off as antagonistic, but after about 2 years of this, if one still finds it to be complicated then at some point there's just an outright refusal to learn.

[@BundyBro_]

@@SoulSoBreezy Its not antagonistic, I think you misunderstand the context of complicated. Compared to what it used to be, it became complex. And at the beginning of DF you could spec incorrectly, is that going to be repeated in TWW. What is the purpose of these changes? Who does it benefit to have all these sources? Why do ranks of gear and potions exist? You think that Im thinking its complex to comprehend, but its not. Im simply questioning why add layers to a system that never needed it to begin with? edit: I should also add I was a max enchanter so I have experience with the system. Having 3 ranks of sophic devotion is pointless.

[@bethanysolimine5428]

@@BundyBro_ I don't get it. Besides, if you have a rank 5, then everyone wants rank 5. Everything else is practically useless, so why not just cut the bag bloat. We don't need 3 versions of every crafting reagent. It makes it worse to be a crafter. The way it was before was fine. The higher level stuff required higher level mats some only obtainable in dungeons and raids, but it was still obtainable. I hate micro managing every system of the game. That was the reason that I played this game in the first place. But that's what Blizzard does. They can't just fix things, they have to swing the pendulum to the other side.

[@Shamrock3648]

Ok, but what is that mount?? That thing is awesome

[@arlannotness]

Sounds like a win for people that are willing to risk using bots or enjoy hours of rather low engagement play. Seems like a stage approach in game design from my per perspective. But I can agree it does sound like gathering early in the expansion will continue to be a good source of early gold accumulation.

[@NovusGM]

I will never have a single dual gatherer as that sucks big ass under the current professions system. I think, in TWW, the 2 major factors that will affect the price of mats (and therefore, everything) will be the drop rate distribution for each material rank (as you pointed at) and how crafters will value the concentration. That is their time since it accumulates over time at the same rate for everyone. So it will balance the cost of higher quality materials vs. the cost of concentration.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

agreed, i only have 1 Dual Gatherer and he just helps bolster the crafting toons that need mats the most.

[@NovusGM]

@UltimateGamerCC I had a hunter alt with skinning & mining but I am replacing him with another thanks to remix. Gonna go 1 crafting and 1 gathering on most so I can make efficient use of spec points and mettle equivalent.

[@positiveliving.]

@@NovusGM This...I ended up with many thousands of mettle on my duel gatherer. What a waste! For TWW i will gather and also craft on the same toons from now on.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

@@NovusGM switch to Herb, skins market floods in no time flat and you wont make dick off it.

[@prismmonkey]

I am still making tons of gold from gathering. I only pray there is something like tackle boxes in the xpac. I have made so. much. gold. from tackle boxes in DF.

[@snarky4lyfe144]

there are glowing purple piles of dirt everywhere , sometimes they spawn a beast to kill other times its just stuff. Must look for them if they are not glowing also they do not show up on the minimap or the big map. also you do know you dont get to keep that gold once the xpak goes live.

[@worfia-argentdawn5459]

The thing that turned me off crating in DF is that blizzard dug in their heels and refused to do any sort of catchup mechanism for people who started late or wanted alts to craft. I get that initial crafters should be able to make a lot of gold early, no complaints there, but eventually others should be able to catch up. The fact that craft advancement is forever time-gated is just wrong imo.

[@rafamaster42]

Alchemy will use r1 mats for transmute shufle

[@nelrock3641]

Professions was my least favorite part of DF. I maintain alts with professions and it was exhausting keeping up with talent points per week. Recipes being locked behind renown or random drops. Then the rank system. Skill ups difficult because nobody wants a less than R5 item. Not a fan of having to not only skill up, but also acquire talent points they never put a catch up in for.

[@timj11dude]

Hopefully these changes, plus the NPC crafting orders should make a market accessible to a wider range of profession skill levels.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

in TWW it will be better, give it another chance before you condemn it to damnation. Blizzard will make profs useless again otherwise, because to them effort = power.

[@positiveliving.]

You should see what it takes to get all the bag recipes for tailoring. Huge gating in place for these. Will be VERY expensive!

[@oilspill1787]

Whatever happened to the store mount they always want to get rid of it and then bring it back and then get rid of it and bring it back. How many times do we Gotta do that and then they don’t even wanna give you back.

[@rexannexodar5258]

You ask who's winning? Well I would say the bot accounts are winning. Wonder how long it will take them to destroy any profits for duel gatherers. I suppose this is a good thing for crafters as they benefit from cheaper prices.

[@Smartiezs]

on cosumeables there is gonna be an addon telling you exactly the best value for your concentration and that will be it i still like the old system better, i don't want to teach the buyer every single time and i can't sell in bulk either, so my time just gets wasted

[@lauragoodin6422]

Untill they do something about bots it's just not worth it. It never will be.

[@Kafj302]

I am like number 431

[@christopherdaffron8115]

Finally, sanity will return to the AH in TWW with rank1 mats < rank 2 mats < rank 3 mats.

[@Charlee4459]

Until 3 hours of farming = a wow token... it will never be worth it in my eyes. Gathering is not fun, hard to justify doing it at all when I can buy a token with an hour of pay. Entire problem is that exact scenario. The price of a token dictates the entire market. They have an incentive not to make gathering worth your time so you A. Can't play for free for doing a 2-3 hour gathering session every month. B. Have gathering be not worth it so the already paying monthly subscriber will fork out more money for gold. Its a crooked system in a lot of ways. Currently an hour of gathering in game might net you 5-10k. An hour of irl converted to a token gets you 150-200k... clearly, if you have an extra hour worth of irl income, you're an absolute idiot if you give your time to gathering. I understand some people like the game play and its not about the gain/time ratio, but its so skewed towards just buying a token that it almost makes me feel taken advantage of.

[@dominiquerichard1342]

is the log in screen winning? Will you defend blizzard over it like a commin shill?

[@shadowweaver1599]

To me gathering will always be a necessity. Yes it gets crazy and cut throat at first, but it always evens out. To me, i was going to try to craft again for myself. like i always have but now to me its way too complicated. I would rather just gather and sell then craft sadly. I don't know why they had to complicate a system that anyone could understand to one like final fantasy online that you basically have to want to craft to actually do it. This is not me im out. i think im going to change all my characters to gathering and let others craft for me, not like i spend my money on anything anyways unless it's a necessity. I will just keep rank 3 for myself and give to crafters that can make items for me.

[@cs4mo]

when will gathering be able to get 20k+ tips to click a button like blacksmithing trade chat jabronis charge??? nah my herbs only sell for like 1-2gold a pop for hours of work collecting.

[@mmdhsnloo5864]

plz let blizzard know craft orders are BS for small realms and force ppl to quite just let ppl sell crafted items on AH how i should find a crafter in early morning when i am night shift and have time to play in morning in small realms?

[@UltimateGamerCC]

this is why NPC Crafting Orders are happening, so that even Low Pop realms and Low Skilled Crafters can still get work.

[@scottsawyer4032]

Three ranks of mats is stupid and adds nothing to the system since people just want the best item anyway

[@UltimateGamerCC]

this is incorrect, you can use low ranked mats to build your skills up cheap, the high ranked mats will be for high end crafters to craft five star goods while using minimal Concentration.

[@scottsawyer4032]

@@UltimateGamerCC or just cut out the unnecessary ranks and have normal mats again....

[@UltimateGamerCC]

@@scottsawyer4032 then also will go the useful stuff, because to Blizzard, Effort = Power, you dont get max power for minimal effort, you never will again.

[@scottsawyer4032]

@UltimateGamerCC it's not about minimal effort it is about only adding complexity when it benefits the game. And (atleast IMO) the ranks of mats doesn't added to the game just adds complexity. I would also reduce item ranks to 2 levels also instead of 5 also. Who wants the lvl 3 version of something? If answer is no one then it doesn't add value

[@positiveliving.]

No, it will be good.

[@mothman84]

Simple answer, NO, gathering is not going to win, certainly not for gatherers who play the game as intended. By week 3, herbs and ores will be 1 silver each. I've come to wish gathering nodes had a mini game based on capchas, or something. Something drastic that could restore some meaning and purpose to gathering.

[@stevenjordash2396]

Botters will crush this sorry to say.

[@ppwisman]

i have a øctrøø'j ø'n dad flying machine Ú HAVE TO GIVE ME ALL JA GOLD/nl

[@gregshinaberry8253]

1st!

[@wynnefox]

I wish gathering could be more like it is in games like Warframe or Firefall. You go to a mission/task, enemies come, you get mats.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

that's called Tailoring...

[@AkiRa22084]

I will never buy a non rank 3.

[@ValryshaClips]

The change to allow multiple people to skin the same mobs in 9.2.5 or whenever they did it basically killed the profession, the entire thing is now just bait crafting every day because the leather is totally worthless. Hopefully mining/herbalism will be better this time too.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

Gathering will be a winner as always, but being a Crafter will be better than Dragonflight, and Dragonflight Crafting was really lucrative for those who had the skills. and it sure needs to be, i just horked up 330K to pay for my game time the next 30 days. i'll need to be raking in the moolah in TWW, just to stay online full time.

[@CrazeyHaze]

How would you feel about a decay rate on materials? So after 30 days a raw unprocessed material just expires. No degradation to quality or anything, just needs to be used within 30 days of being farmed.

[@timj11dude]

I don't understand the intended effect of your suggestion? Is it to to smooth out the the supply graph for materials, so the rush of early materials that crash the market after the first wave get evicted, and prices can normalise around a steady stream of gatherers sooner? I think the new rank system should help smooth that out anyway. Applying a duration to trade mats would also not be technically scalable.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

god no... just stop... we dont need stuff decaying over time.

[@adriansararu1]

All these are wishful thoughts... For as long as plate boots drop from mosquitos and every quest give gear...crafting will be useless...

[@Shnoidz]

gathering always wins, big crafting is nothing to massive gathering.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

yeah ok, try telling that to the high end DF crafters, i can assure you that Jewelers especially made bank.

[@Shnoidz]

@@UltimateGamerCC nuh uh.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

@@Shnoidz yeah huh!