Will Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity Divide the Zelda Fanbase?

[@NintendoBlackCrisis]

Thanks for watching guys! I think I'm going to try something new next week and discuss some cut content in Zelda games. See you then!

[@MegaVirus700]

I think it would be interesting if the first fall is inevitable, and the game ends with the calamity happening and a similar cutscene with the egg. Except he goes forward in time to the end of BOTW, where the malice that followed him makes vah ruta stop working. Botw 2 starts with zelda and link dispelling the malice and discovering the egg

[@kozukiangel5248]

Skyward sword deals with time travel even through it's the first in the series and probably that bot is the only guardian with time travel to only get inevitably destroyed so that's why they know about the runes and tower because he when back in time, because to me it seems like the living shiekah already knew about it before BOTW because non of them seem surprised when the towers started showing up all over hyrule

[@milopeterson4350]

It could be that the robot goes back in time so that there is a reason to show that time and it could be that the tower was deactivated after gannon awakes

[@alfredalfiesiv7082]

My answer to why runes exist before the events of BOTW. As a weapon for Zelda, instead of getting another sheikah slate, you get a memory peace, it's description says that it's an attachment for the slate made for slaying monsters. Link gets access to the runes because of E G G B O I. And Impa... Impa is from Kakariko village. Also shadow clones. You are welcome.🙂

[@NovaMaster375]

So maybe the Hateno tech lab in this game will be destroyed, and the torches get moved to those locations. That would explain why there's an official lab initially, and then the botw labs are built afterwards. Idk it's just my take.

[@dragonpaladin5584]

There are a few details to take note of: 1) Breath of the Wild mentions Guardians going rogue before the Calamity, it is possible that the malice following the egg guardian is what caused those Guardians to go rogue. 2) There are no Guardians in the pictures the egg guardian had, aside from one that was not glowing at the time. There is nothing to hint that the Guardians will destroy Hyrule. 3) Hyrule was unaware of the four pillars underneath Hyrule Castle, it could be the sheer amount of Guardians that took them by surprise. 4) The Champions where already in there Divine Beasts by the time they were corrupted, so they had time before the Beasts turned.

[@smcb9979]

I think 2 in particular is especially important. It suggests the cold open might not actually be Egg's narrative origin point at all, and we're being strongly misdirected

[@hannyboop]

About number three, they were somewhat aware but could never prove nor find them. The pillars were buried far deeper than they expected

[@Zeldinion]

Thank you! I do believe that this game will show it's self to be good so I'm glad I'm not the only one!

[@previllion5355]

Wait, now that I think about it, how does the egg have pictures of Hyrule destroyed at all? He traveled back in time immediately upon his activation, and his only visual data would be of Zelda’s study and the one guardian that attacked him...

[@dragonpaladin5584]

@@hannyboop Okay, my knowledge is in complete, but they were still taken by surprise by the sheer number of Guardians.

[@yrui6395]

Seeing Age of Calamity Link with the guard outfit and not in Underwear is weird

[@epicphantom589]

Don’t worry, you’re able to change his clothes immediately after the first level.

[@kamille286]

@@epicphantom589 Oh really? That's cool, I haven't gotten through the demo yet and I was curious how that was gonna work

[@mmyr8ado.360]

You can finish the campaign while making him wear nothing at all except in some events.

[@Scyclo]

but you can play in underwear the whole game if you want

[@epicphantom589]

@@Scyclo Besides the first level and a couple pre rendered cutscenes, yes

[@manueljaramillo2520]

"AOC will divide the Zelda community" Pokemon community: First time?

[@raicattivo]

Star wars community O_O

[@carbonneau5630]

@@raicattivo but they never be unite

[@raicattivo]

@@carbonneau5630 fair enough

[@moddedinkling4168]

Correction: Second time. Skyward Sword split the community already, despite probably having one of the best stories out there.

[@leohaddad9225]

Or the paper Mario comunity😂

[@jwil4286]

on the other hand, maybe this robot will accidentally confirm the hero's defeat instead of preventing it.

[@mr.wheelchairperson8963]

*spoiler* Well we did see the part where Robbie looked into the robot’s memory bank. They accessed photos of what was calamity ganon taking over Hyrule Castle. Then Zelda talks about how she sees this as inevitable. So it’s every likely they will still lose.

[@djroscurro9859]

I mean, I think he does say this in the video

[@gl7029]

@@mr.wheelchairperson8963 zelda says "This will not happen" or something like that.

[@evalynbaun6672]

@@mr.wheelchairperson8963 Impa says it’s inevitable, Zelda says she won’t let it happen.

[@DanTheMan33088]

@@gl7029 That doesn't mean it won't happen though

[@smcb9979]

I'm 100% confident it's a closed loop. Yeah, there are some discrepancies with BOTW, but I think that comes down to story design as opposed to any indication of a retcon - for example, giving Link a pot lid to use against the berserk Guardian would be contrived in a scene with the additional context of Link being a soldier on a journey, instead of the event happening somewhere random with no context. With the full context of the scene as a game level and part of a story, it makes more sense for the item in question to be a shield, but the essence of the scene itself still happens almost exactly as otherwise described. And the timeframe of when Purah discovered the runes is potentially fucked, but Impa has dialogue indicating that apparently Purah was conceptually aware of the runes but unable to make them work before Egg showed up, so we can handwave it as Purah specifically figuring out how to use the runes without Egg post-Calamity. I don't think any of the retcons so far are inexplicable, or necessitate a timeline branch. Rather, I think the point of Egg time-travelling in a cold open is meant to throw us off-balance and put us in the same headspace as the characters in the story, where we all know SOMETHING is going to happen but not quite what or why. When the future refuses to change and the Calamity still happens, it'll have a heavier emotional weight than if it had been guaranteed. Also, if Egg attempts to stop the Calamity but in fact actually contributes to it, that would track thematically with Rhoam being responsible for Zelda's struggle to access her powers and Ganon using the weapons built to destroy him against Hyrule. Honestly, I think it's just that they didn't anticipate making a Calamity game when they wrote those events for BOTW, and now they're slightly tweaking a bunch of small stuff to make the game based on this story better. That seems way more likely to me than this game dramatically changing the future and lying about what it is in the marketing

[@tuckersins9904]

My thoughts exactly!

[@stuffz1757]

Link still could have deflected the beam with a pot lid. The transition screen that mentions him becoming Zeldas Bodygaurd in AoC doesn't mention how he became Zeldas bodygaurd only that he did so through his commitment and dedication, so the beam we see him deflect in the demo could simply be where he learned that he could deflect a Gaurdian laser, this would make sense since I think the diary entry in BOTW that mentions him deflecting a Gaurdian laser state that it happend in Hyrule Castle.

[@V.U.4six]

Same It wasn’t in the plan (most likely) so they couldn’t have put “hints” in BotW to lead up to it I feel like it might fall short without x abilities types that we would be familiar with from BotW I’m taking this with a grain of salt lol

[@saraross8396]

Agreed, and it wouldn't be the first time that a game designed to be a prequel to a game released years before added things that were not seen in the older game (Fi and Hylia for example).

[@smcb9979]

@@saraross8396 Fi and Hylia are a great example, yeah. The conflict between Hylia and Demise, and the recontextualization of the "Triforce Trio" as avatars of divine figures connected to a curse cycle that shapes Hyrule's history is what made the less conventional lore and stories of BOTW and arguably ALBW possible, and I expect that to keep paying off in future new games. Some people have a right to dislike it, if they were fond of the old lore, but for the most part it's a reimagining that EXPANDS what the writers can do - and the same idea could easily apply here to AOC.

[@spiderlee5585]

Yeah, probably an unpopular opinion: The Zelda Timeline as a whole was never supposed to be coherent or logical. It was Nintendo realizing that a decent chunk of the LoZ fanbase was really into wide-reaching theories that tried to hypothesize how the games fit together, scouring for lore and evidence, and they just patched something together to cater to that chunk of the fanbase and have been scrambling to keep doing so ever since. For a long time, only a few of the games were ever intended to be anything like sequels, and each game was basically a stand-alone experience that just retold the same story over and over, just with new maps, new mechanics, and character redesigns. It was cost-effective to just churn out the formula with superficial changes, and let the fans do all of the complex elaboration. It's only recently with BoTW that Nintendo has had to do heavy lifting with regard to connecting lore and games together. Trying to connect all of the games together in a timeline (with all its wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey loops and hard right turns and splits) was a facetious effort from the start, so it really doesn't matter whether you like the timeline or not. If you want to operate as if the timeline is canon, go ahead (good luck), and if you want to treat each strung-together set of games with sequels as stand-alone branches of the IP, go ahead, and if you want to just shrug and not bother with the timeline's canonicity at all, good go do that. Focus on your faves, brainstorm for theories, keep making fanart and fanworks and critique of the games and their development, and keeping playing if you like. The timeline comes very far second.

[@encryptedproductions6006]

I honestly think that Nintendo might be caring more about Zelda's story, considering that they made a *trilogy* just for Breath of Wild. Or maybe the feel guilty about making Breath of the Wild not have a more prominent story. idk.

[@kristenleung3120]

Did anyone not notice the intro for King Rhoam is literally “Defier of Prophecy”?

[@శ్రీ-ఛ8త]

I noticed

[@EarlyAlpaca]

King Roam Bosphoramus Hyrule: *Ah yes the prophecy is made out of false*

[@wheeeeeeeeeee]

King Rhoam: Idk the fortune tellers kinda sus

[@శ్రీ-ఛ8త]

@@wheeeeeeeeeee Let's vote him out then...... Fortune Teller was Not An Impostor. 1 Impostor Remains

[@kylehill3643]

@@శ్రీ-ఛ8త Quick mail in votes! (Then votes get destroyed)

[@nkkreator3398]

My theory for now is that this is a closed time loop but not with the guardian itself endlessly looping but only once. We saw an corrupted version of the tiny guardian as they entered the ancient tech lab. So I think that in the story we somehow get a hold of it, disable it and Zelda will store it in her room. Zeldas powers than heals it's corruption and it travels back in time like we saw in the beginning of the game.

[@smcb9979]

Alternatively, Egg gets corrupted WHILE time-traveling from the beginning of the game and its point of origin is something different. egg origin -> egg travels to the beginning of AOC and meets Link and Impa -> AOC's story progresses -> egg ends up in box -> egg tries to time travel again for a THIRD chance but gets corrupted, becomes the evil egg that sabatoges its past self and ensures the loop, either eternal or closed depending on evil egg's end

[@ddnava96]

Well, I think closed time loops actually need to be that way. Each _iteration_ of the mini guardian only travels once. We have the _current time_ mini guardian and the one from the future. If the _same_ mini guardian keeps traveling back in time that's not a closed time loop because it will have more information and the events won't be the same (Watch "Live, Die, Repeat"/"Edge of tomorrow". In that movie the character keeps repeating the same event over and over again, but as he gets more information he can make it further down the timeline)

[@lpfan4491]

@@ddnava96 You forget that the egg has the equivalent of partial amnesia when traveling back already. It could just be that the data stays consistant and it is unable to prevent it because of that.

[@tacocats2244]

That's what I thought too! It makes so much sense!

[@ddnava96]

@@lpfan4491. I don't think it's partial amnesia, but that it's unknown tech to them that they need time to decrypt everything. Robbie even says that as they get more info from the egg it'll be easier to recover even more info, as in, the info is all there, it's just that they need time to recover it

[@SonicHaXD]

Personally I'm actually quite excited to see what they'll do with time travel. We know how the story will play out. But now with the eggy boi going back in time. I have no idea what will happen now. I'm hoping the time travel cliches won't happen. And I'm hoping they'll surprise us with something great XD

[@thelastcrow5660]

Maybe KK in a wheelchair will show up!

[@mischarowe]

Same. :)

[@Jdudec367]

wait time travel?

[@md-fq4tq]

See that video and enable the subtitles, I think that is what is gonna happen kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZmoo6CCobmHabs (Sorry for my bad english, i'm from France )

[@kylehill3643]

@@md-fq4tq I don't get why everyone wants a depressing ending? Now I don't mind it as an OPTION where if you lose you go to BOTW's timeline and it plays out but you should be allowed a win!

[@aeronycampbell101]

Since this game was originally announced, I thought of it as a "semi-canon" story, where the broad strokes might be canon, but the bits and pieces aren't... But after the demo, Im not sure what to consider it... I think we will just have to wait and see.

[@azrik6084]

This referred to as level 2 Canon and yea this is my current take on it.

[@anthonyalvarez5737]

Nintendo themselves confirmed this game is 100% cannon and the re-telling of the events prior to botw (so it’s a cannon pre-quel)

[@anthonyalvarez5737]

@A B not a different timeline, nintendo themselves literally made the game cannon, there isn’t no “alternative timeline” this IS the timeline lol

[@anthonyalvarez5737]

@A B I do, but have u actually bothered looking anything up at all? NINTENDO made the game CANNON and is turning botw into a TRILOGY, not that complicated

[@anthonyalvarez5737]

@A B my guy, Nintendo LITERALLY stated that this is a PREQUEL to breath of the wild, how much more spelling out do u need exactly? Lmao

[@vancech]

“AoC will divide the Zelda community” *Ah yes, the floor here is made out of floor.* Edit: This is gonna age like a hearty radish.

[@ShadowSkyX]

Not if this "different" timeline is very temporary. Also I find it strange it didn't go to the current Zelda that activated it

[@EgotisticalAltruist]

In other news, the sky is still blue, the sun rose this morning and someone got offended on Twitter

[@tentatrises5475]

@@EgotisticalAltruist Nothing strange if you ask me, just the usual

[@PolaryMP]

You mean horizontal wall duh

[@ZelumPendragon]

He seems to be under the impression that the Zelda timeline has always made sense...

[@rocrod430]

It's 2020. Everything divides every community 🙃

[@Jai_dinn]

You ain’t wrong

[@evillaust5839]

Ya

[@mangotango4529]

It’s kind of sad, why can’t we just respect each other I’m tired of people fighting constantly

[@freddo9682]

I like it, some debate in the fanbase is always welcome from my stand of view.

[@rocrod430]

@@freddo9682 well I mean there's a difference between division in a community and a difference in opinion. I love it when there is a different opinion from mine because I enjoy having civil debates. Division in a community is people genuinely getting mad at each other for a different opinion

[@xXCrimsonSecretsXx]

I'm rather doubtful that they'll make it so we can beat calamity ganon. I'm intrigued to see where this goes. The tiny guardian definitely confused me during the demo. We will see...God I hope this game doesn't piss us all off.

[@GuyIllusion]

@Fluffynator multiple endings to a zelda game would be cool, even if only one ending is canon.

[@PepperKatLancer]

Played DW 8 and they had Hypotheticals where you accomplished something in a mission (save some ones life or take some on out so some one wont get wounded or die) and you get to take on a new branching path the leads to a better ending.

[@jackrak3370]

@@PepperKatLancer that would be awesome to see this game especially since time travel is involved

[@Hei_Darkfire]

I suspect the story won't be that good, but the game will more than make up for it in its gameplay. That's my personal suspicion. I know a lot of people didn't like the original Hyrule Warriors, but I hope that will be different this time.

[@normis6620]

That's my hope as well!

[@andygt2867]

Also, the official website for the game says, “join the struggle that brought Hyrule to its knees”. So I believe(and hope) that this game will end in the dark and sad way we all hope it will

[@ChaoticMushy]

A great fulfilling adventure only to end in demise. It sounds like an amazing idea and would bring the story together.

[@Techhunter_Talon]

Though it won't entirely be dark as we know what occurs in Breath of the Wild, Link is healed after 100 years of sleep and goes on to defeat Calamity Ganon.... maybe, possibly in his underwear.

[@andygt2867]

@@Techhunter_Talon true!! Link in underwear is OP. But to be fair, everybody accept Zelda dies

[@saikikusuo3600]

Nothing ever makes anyone happy so probably

[@xeno6773]

Made my comment for me

[@derektaylor3133]

Thats what I was thinking.

[@MadSociety-uy6zg]

How it makes me and many others happy. This game is fun and the story so far is amazing

[@MadSociety-uy6zg]

And my game never dip so terrible it played smoothly I don't see the huge complaints.

[@MadSociety-uy6zg]

@June it's not going to divide the entire fan base the Zelda is large there are a lot of Zelda fans that loved the demo and can't wait to play the rest of the game.

[@markm0817]

I LOVE ERASED

[@NintendoBlackCrisis]

I enjoyed it too, but I loved Stein's Gate even more!

[@markm0817]

@@NintendoBlackCrisis I might try it. It sounds pretty good

[@ErenYeager-oi6hu]

Ikr! At first, when I read the description, I thought it was copying Re:Zero, but it’s slightly different. 10/10 I would recommend. I’ll also try Stein’s Gate, since NBC is giving it a lot of praise.

[@nepdar8091]

i love anime Your Name

[@markm0817]

@@nepdar8091 my sis loves that anime

[@technonut9821]

"If the mini gaurdian bring the jr champions from the future for the sake of game play im done" well well well

[@valentinus7776]

After seeing the ending, I'm waiting for the video where he unleashes his fury.

[@manuelredgrave8348]

"Mistakes were made: Age of calamity" 2Hour video of pure rage

[@silentshadow3647]

that song tho.. gorgeous! I think it's a closed loop ngl otherwise an entire game gets retconned

[@lbspartyhouse8265]

Preach, that’s why I barely understand the controversy

[@matti.8465]

Not really retconned if it's an alternate timeline. Breath of the Wild will still be Breath of the Wild, this would just be a different take on it showing a happy ending and different circumstances.

[@kamille286]

@@matti.8465 I still think that if it goes in that direction all the impact BotW had will be gone. The entire game is about learning about the past and coming to terms with it, but that all goes away with a happy ending

[@LonganoCantCant]

Dude, this is the Zelda series. You know the one that’s divided into 3 separate timelines. If it isn’t a closed loop, that would in no way retcon Breath of the Wild.

[@Furo_kun]

I have a theory. What if in the AoC timeline they actually defeat Ganon, but, because he's defeated, the egg doesn't need to travel back. This re-creates the original botw timeline, where the egg never comes back to warn our heroes, and they lose. The calamity happens, and the egg awakes. This generates two timelines that depend on each other, creating a loop.

[@Furo_kun]

That way both theories would be kinda right.

[@tunictuna]

So, AoC is a complete, successful mission scenario. And BotW 2 will lead to an alternate solution based on past events from BotW. Nintendo what r u planinggg

[@pkjoan]

Someone has seen Dark S3.

[@NeoWolves7]

That does make sense, considering the egg is replacing link “kinda I guess” since the child/adult time line the hero wins, but then goes back into the past to live his childhood but suddenly vanished then the calamity happens again later on over time. that probably could be why in original botw they failed since the egg did not go back to warn the original timeline” as you said the egg completed its mission therefore didn’t need to return” making it the fallen time where the hero dies but gets reincarnated. As its why we got botw Edit: so Aoc & Botw could both be 2 separate timelines that could somehow able to connect to each other for botw 2 If you played FF7 Remake you know what I mean.

[@fl0ris275]

I was so confused when the description for the breach of demise mission said they were going to the techlab. Feels good to see someone else acknowledge this aswell haha, thanks NBC!

[@TheTriforceDragon]

The Royal Tech Lab Ruins are just north of the Breach of Demise in Breath of the Wild.

[@fl0ris275]

@@TheTriforceDragon Alright, let me clarify. It was that specific Hateno Tech Lab mention that got me rather confused although I must admit that I forgot there even was an ancient tech lab ruin in botw. So sorry about that.

[@TheTriforceDragon]

@@fl0ris275 No worries, it confused me as well at first. Maybe something else later will clarify the name or it is just a bad translation.

[@Mari_Izu]

@@fl0ris275 Translation error only present in english. Probably the translator was a dumbass that knows Purah in BotW and think she always had a lab in Hateno. And Treehouse is too incompetent to notice and revise it. BotW's translation was already bad enough, I don't know why Nintendo of America continues to keep Treehouse in charge of translations.

[@gin9410]

Yeah it's a translation error, every other language doesn't have that mention

[@coryfice1881]

Remember when Wind Waker's graphics were controversial among the community?

[@chiffmonkey]

It's a phenomenon I've seen many times with music. The best way to be accused of selling out is to be original.

[@xxvaltielxx1789]

Ah, my youth, even as a child i could be very crítical of that stuff, but after playing the damn thing i just shot the hell up, still annoyed by that puppet Ganon Boss, ugh, it was so meh and i was looking to fight the Demon more or less like in Ocarina

[@tunictuna]

Yeah, that was terrible. "It's too childish" And Skyward Sword. Ngl, Zelda fans will always become spiky when it comes to graphic designs of characters/bosses and the music. For example, "the goron design in TP is better than OoT's", "SS's bokoblins suck" stuff. But, each game has different the worlds and in each game so music will adapt to it to make it suitable.

[@kahp1072]

A chunk of Zelda fans thinks the franchise is more adult and dark than actually is, so they feel insecure when their favorite franchise is colorful 🙄

[@xxvaltielxx1789]

@@kahp1072 i mean, it actually is with the whole Sheikah and the story of Hyrule, but i get it

[@SamtheBravesFan]

By the way, nice twist to the mini-rant at the end. ;) They did change the original text they had from Breath of the Wild's first public demo. Maybe they'll do that here too.

[@zachselsley6312]

I hope so. The Hateno part has to be an error.

[@shadowdahuman]

@@zachselsley6312 There's no way it's not since Hateno was already there before the great calamity and is said, they're walking in the opposite direction of Hateno.

[@pkjoan]

It's an error only present on the English version

[@cnf465]

Honetly, I feel that it will end with The Great Calamity, that the efforts of the little guardian won't be enough and it's going to be a time travel paradox. The little guardian is going to be trapped in never-ending loop. But maybe, just maybe, they'll be a secret ending (probably after completing the game 100%) that the little guardian fulfills its purpose and changes Hyrule's fate. But who knows , we have to wait until November 20th. PS: Great video! Keep it up!

[@JacobTheToadMan]

I'm kinda mixed on the whole time travel thing their going for with the story, but everything else I'm super hyped for!

[@vedantprashad2852]

who is just grinding the demo like im level 20 for each characters lol

[@CivRev10]

Maxed out all the weapons with my most desired perks as well haha

[@Person-rz1ur]

bro same

[@sunflower6475]

Lmao same

[@mortalknight8425]

Me too

[@conchettart4152]

Same

[@ChuUmibYoDayo]

Love that cut-off at the end, I did notice that as well and I was honestly confused as to why it said Hateno when it wasn’t

[@jellyrollz6937]

I dunno about anyone else, but I am pumped for this game. I have it preordered and played the demo. The time travel seems like it could really knock us off our guard. It kind of cleans the slate you know? We know nothing now

[@MegaLpso]

I don't know, I think knowing that this chould have all been avoided, makes it 10x more crazy and upsetting. It sucks that we see this happy timeline, where mostly everyone is okay, and then we are brought right back to the original timeline, the one where the champions died and so many others did as well. After finishing age of calamity, i can say that this was so impactful, and it only made things more insane and awesome.

[@gamingwithben194]

8:55 holy shit he was right

[@tsogobauggi8721]

Yeah, he was. And I'm done too.

[@gracetatom7759]

Watched this before I got the game, then came back to watch him say it again 😂 😂

[@nothingtoreport1918]

I think I’m in the minority here, but I am actually more hyped for this game now that I know time travel is in it! I feel like people are overthinking the egg guardian’s addition, and I believe that events will basically occur in the same way as we know it from Breath of the Wild.

[@idkidk6745]

Aged like milk lol

[@nothingtoreport1918]

@@idkidk6745 Hindsight is 20/20 lol, still enjoyed Age of Calamity a lot though

[@koolaidflavas8701]

Why everyone still trippin off the frame rate of the game. What we all played was the demo not the final version. Maybe they fixed it by the time released.

[@petery6432]

Because it's a problem that people want the devs to know about to ensure it gets fixed in the final version. Breath of the Wild also had framerate issues early on, so these might also get overlooked if they don't get mentioned.

[@Mari_Izu]

Don't expect Koei to fix anything lol

[@PepperKatLancer]

@@Mari_Izu yeah believe it or not DW 9 frame rate was fixed along with a few other thing.

[@volkswagenb9406]

It releases so soon, no way they could fix it in a few weeks

[@ryanator7935]

I don’t think the frame rate will change, it’s not a beta, it’s a demo.

[@kuraihiroma]

Lowkey I didn't even know people were divided by the multiple paths of the Zelda timeline. I personally really like it because it allows opposite ends of creativity

[@somenerdydoodles9206]

I honestly think the time travel is just a plot device for better gameplay and more tension in the story. People are reading into it a bit too much imo

[@mythoughtsexactly2145]

Yeah i mean. This game is part of a Zelda spin-off series too so...

[@argo9721]

@@mythoughtsexactly2145 but it’s considered cannon right?

[@freddo9682]

How can you make tension with time travel, if you can time travel, you can change anything bad, if you can't control the travel it's just a lazy plot device to show us something that happened before with a character from the future, traveling back in time is just... bad for the plot.

[@TyandOnGoing]

Exactly it probably was the only way to not contradict BOTW.

[@smcb9979]

@@freddo9682 The presence of time travel means that it'll be possible for the story to have hope spots, so when the Calamity still happens it hurts more because it COULD have been prevented. It puts us in the same uncertain headspace as the characters, instead of us knowing exactly what's going to happen.

[@Cult_of_Kitagawa]

Honestly, I don’t think their quality check has been too good. There have been so many inconsistencies that it hurts. For example, in Zelda’s diary, she mentions that the reason she became more fond of link is because he saved her from the Yiga with no regard for his own life... and yet he has just done that with the first corrupted guardian which is a much more dangerous threat. They said Nintendo has worked on ALL dialogue and story beats but have they really? I’m very sceptical.

[@bulletproofman323]

They probably did, but did so with the true intention of this game being an AU. At the end of the day, it's a Koei Tecmo made game, I would not expect Nintendo to give them true influence of their games. That being said, I don't think this game will lead to anything made by Nintendo. My bet is that this is a one and done AU Botw game that makes use of the assets Nintendo took so long to make and the popularity established to cash out while people wait for the Zelda game actually made by Nintendo.

[@Cult_of_Kitagawa]

@@bulletproofman323 still, it’s marketed as the game that explores the events of 100 years past. A time during the calamity. They’re two big companies and should be giving us correct information. Much like how they call the royal tech lab the Hateno tech lab. They should be double checking everything. Mistranslations can ruin story and much more. I’ve already pre-ordered the game and I know I’ll enjoy it but I really hope it’s only a few mistakes.

[@No-by7wu]

Link saving Zelda from the guardian was why he was appointed her knight in BotW. She didn’t start to like him until he saved her from the Yiga because she had been so mean to him after he was appointed.

[@Convicted_Melon]

What if the doubles of each champion on the tapestry represents the soul of the ancient pilots as well as the champions? Remember the tapestry in BotW depicts the battle 10,000 years prior; not the age of calamity. The tapestry in this game seems to be depicting the battle 100 years prior to BotW. It's possible the champions meet the spirits of the previous pilots in their efforts of accessing them. It's heavily implied in BotW that the soul is what powers a divine beast and the reason why the blight ganons trapped them inside.

[@OceanTree]

True

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

Nintendo: * Does anything different * "Not Zelda enough." Nintendo: * Does anything the same * "We're sick of this!"

[@spiderdude2099]

I’m still very heavily leaning on it being a closed time loop, therefore there’s not really anything it can mess with too badly. I don’t think this will cause a new time split. I get that it makes some things a bit confusing but everything in botw should stay preserved. Also, side note, I fully champion the fact that knowing about the towers and having access to runes is in NO WAY impossible to have occurred within the continuity of the original botw lore. People saying access to runes and towers is completely lore breaking are wrong imo. There’s a lot of wiggle room to argue it could have happened.

[@smcb9979]

if the magic towers can rise out of the ground when activated by a magic tablet computer, why couldn't they also theoretically just go back down underground when deactivated?? It's so weird how many people think the towers are proof of a timeline split

[@spiderdude2099]

@@smcb9979 exactly! If they went back underground for 100 years, it totally explains how they’re half buried and stuff by the time link wakes up

[@smcb9979]

@@spiderdude2099 plus Zelda knows enough about the towers and how they work to guide Link through activating them at the beginning of the game, which would make MORE sense if they had already been used before

[@KillerChickenz01]

@@spiderdude2099 in the demo didn’t only the central tower pop up too not all of them

[@spiderdude2099]

@@KillerChickenz01 I believe, but they did show the one at akala citadel too so...idk how many in total might get activated. Just from the intro chapter tho, yes, only the central hyrule tower

[@spiderdude2099]

I mean....I’m kinda expecting the future “champions” to at least be dlc, but likely integrated into the story. Why? Because this is a warriors game. It’s ALWAYS had some aspect of wish-fulfilling “what-if” battles and scenarios. The previous game had volvagia reimagined as a spear wielding knight for goodness sake! So yeah, I’m not going to be at all surprised if Riju, Teba, Yunobo, and Sidon show up in this game albeit briefly and without revealing who they are to any of the past characters.

[@Mari_Izu]

"The previous game had volvagia reimagined as a spear wielding knight for goodness sake" And a Wizzrobe/Poe/Floor Master mashup in one character too!

[@gabriellockwood2780]

I want Dorian

[@thedragonknightvolga4194]

It's nice to see a human appreciate me for appearing in HW

[@UntalentedBrick]

what does a portal of time show up and suck all 4 of them into the game? ill have my hopes up for that.

[@shanagall3427]

Maybe the egg goes to the future and then travels to the gerudo, rito, zora, and gorons and gets the future champions to help the old ones

[@Pomshka]

I actually think it'd be SADDER if one tiny thing could have saved and fixed everything. And knowing in one time line it was fixed, makes the original timeline failure, more sad :(

[@yuppymike]

Instead of just playing historical events... I think the robot time travel part was thrown in so you can win the battles instead of losing them all.

[@thijsdeboer6968]

The little guardian traveled from the original timeline back to a time before the Calamity. That means that the little guardian exists in the original timeline. So the whole argument "the little guardian being there creates a new timeline" doesn't work. It has to exist in the original timeline to be able to travel back. Because of that I believe that somewhere in the game the little guardian gets deactivated or something and they store it in Zelda's study. Then the Calamity happens and the whole story repeats itself

[@buttonsbox2476]

Exactly

[@smcb9979]

I think it'll probably be when Rhoam forbids Zelda from using the ancient tech. She'll have to nail it into a box to stop it from following her around, and it'll be super sad

[@thijsdeboer6968]

@@smcb9979 i like that idea!

[@H2SO4pyro]

it doesnt work because the egg guardian triggers the sheikah slate and the rise of a tower, which we know for a fact didnt happend in the original intended timeline

[@thijsdeboer6968]

@@H2SO4pyro As for the sheikah slate, Zelda used the camera, we know that from the pictures in BOTW. The problems are the other runes and the sheikah towers. For that I haven't found a way how they would fit in. The slate and the towers would suggest that it's a different timeline, but then why wouldn't the little guardian have activated them in the original timeline, where it came from?

[@noahb3370]

I love you NintendoBlackCrisis. Your videos are helping me with some struggles right now and it’s entertaining to watch your stuff.

[@Ausholliday15]

I hope to dear God that there's no new time-line split

[@Pikrioling]

Welp

[@mistslam90]

To be fair a decent amount of Zelda games are based on time travel. Like MM, OoT, SS, Oracle of Ages. So I personally think it fits extremely well with the overall zelda lore and history.

[@aloisplissonneau1597]

When he says he won't be analysing the data-mine Me: WHYYY

[@shadowdahuman]

Because some people like to experience things themselves and not have it all laid out before they even have had the chance.

[@nicolaismith4587]

Because stuff gets removed stuff that's leaked or mined may not make it to the final game and its not fair on the game if he is talking about things that are not even in it yet because then he is just creating reasons to hate it

[@pkjoan]

I'm pretty sure none of the future champions will be DLC, having a roster of 7 characters for a Warriors game is way too low.

[@stefrockmartel]

The 4 young champions + the king are clearly gonna be playble after the 4 Champions + link gonna lose The small gardian can travel in time

[@Rage-_-Quit]

I'm glad I never cared about the timelines. I'm Link, Zelda is thicc, I have to kill Ganon. That's all I need to know lol. Imo originally, timelines were never planned. It's like trying to construct a timeline for all Mario games. They were just meant to be standalone titles. Then Nintendo started catering to the fans that wanted a timeline, but not really so it's an absolute mess anyway.

[@JoeSmith-db4rq]

Personally, in my mind (although obviously this is well after its release lmao), I’m completely fine with this decision because this game is primarily based on the premise that gameplay > story. They created a situation in which they were able to maximize the gameplay scenario, and as a result we get great gameplay and I can’t complain about that :) And also, what I think is even more important than story for this game was just the idea of worldbuilding. You could group that as a subgroup of story, but I consider it distinct and I think this game does an incredible job of painting a picture of hyrule before/during the beginning of the Calamity that I think gets undervalued and dismissed because the story doesn’t match up with that.

[@TheBreadPirate]

Great job as always NBC! You did a good job at highlighting the complexity of the debate. Let's hope Nintendo does this in a way that makes everyone happy.

[@Drdank-we3fj]

If Zelda fans get turned off by this, then they just want something to complain about in all honesty

[@dreworyan5652]

Zelda is kind of like Final Fantasy/Kingdom Hearts... amazing stories, but if you try to think about them too hard, it doesn’t make sense and isn’t fun 😂

[@dbfzato-1327]

@@dreworyan5652 the first 2 kh games had amazing stories too was after DDD it was ruined. And final fantasy normally have amazing stories nothing like kh games, problem is too many sequels. Final fantasy normally changes completely it's only really the sequel FF games that have crap storys

[@willcraft1007]

Nobody: The eggi boi: its rewind time

[@Gabriel-Tár]

The game can be canon and the time loop can be avoided with this theory: Quite simply, the evil Guardian and the benevolent Guardian are one and the same and they coexist due to the time travel, i.e. the benevolent Guardian is the evil Guardian of the future. The evil Guardian was originally found, deactivated and stored in Zelda's room, he then awoke benevolent along with Zelda's power and decided to go back in time to help her. Clearly, going back in time he started coexisting with his evil self of the past. We know from Skyward Sword that Sheikah's time travel works in a precise way: a change made in the past, affects the present instantly, WITHOUT creating a new timeline. Link planted the seed of the tree of life in the past and returned to the present. Link did NOT form a new timeline where the tree had always been there, he just magically changed the same single timeline he came from. What I'm trying to say is that our benevolent Guardian, by going back in time, could have messed up the events that will make him travel through time in the first place. What if the evil Guardian gets destroyed instead of being deactivated and placed in Zelda's room? How could the benevolent Guardian even exist in the past That's why the Guardian magically faded into the oblivion. That's why there is no trace of the Guardian in Breath of the Wild. It's the SAME timeline, but the Guardian messed up and disappeared in the present as magically as he appeared in the past.

[@lpfan4491]

The issue is that no one in botw mentions the guardian and link does not recall it either. In your example, groose still had a recollection of the state of things where the change did not happen yet.

[@Gabriel-Tár]

@@lpfan4491 I messed up there. Actually, Groose acts like the tree had always been there. So, by planting the tree he also created Groose's memory of the tree.

[@lpfan4491]

@@Gabriel-Tár Nice. I actually forgot what happened too and because zelda is inconsistant with timetravel sometimes, I just assumed stuff.

[@edgarc6591]

I would’ve liked if it ended in inevitable failure, but judging from the leaks it’s a new timeline split all together

[@jumponeverything]

I think they've made it a separate timeline so koei tecmo can go crazy with the plot as it doesn't effect breath of the wilds lore but still letting us see more of the characters we saw in botw

[@gguyllago]

in my opinion some time stuff is required in age of calamity, we all know that bozw takes place in a unified timeline, so some time travel and manipulation makes a lot of sense as the thing that reconnected rhe 3 timelines

[@chessycopter9619]

I’m pretty sure they only put the egg guardian in so that they could give the characters an excuse to be able to all use the sheikah slate. Originally the runes were not discovered til after the calamity struck.

[@kelplink8532]

I think age of calamity would be perfect if it acrually explains how all 3 timelines could have formed BoTW, but I sadly dont think that is what we will see. Maybe in the sequel!

[@leo_is_not_available]

They didn't form Botw. It's just that in every timeline Botw happens. Which kind of sucks.

[@Mari_Izu]

BotW is 10000 years after any game, it's more time than our recorded history. So there's plenty of time to other games events to happen. It's a "soft reboot" of sorts.

[@Logicalleaping]

@@Mari_Izu 10000 years and the technology developed is still the same... in fact in one of the timelines they lose trains. Well I guess its basing it on the premise that with enough time history will repeat itself, so i guess the 'new hyrule' fell into ruin and the water level lowered. I dunno its to complicated

[@pkjoan]

Actually, the egg fits perfectly into this. Suppose the egg is some sort of ancient tech used by the Sheikah to record story events from the past by travelling through time. Suppose the egg also can travel to alternate timeline. This could explain why they know so much about other timelines. Maybe the ancient Sheikah gathered all those events from the data banks of the egg guardian and recorded them as part of their history. Or even better, just send 3 eggs at different points in OoT. One Egg stays the 7 years and witnesses the final battle, WW, PH and ST. Another Egg goes back with OoT Link and witnesses MM, TP and FSA. And finally, another egg stays the 7 years and witnesses Link being defeated and thus ALTTP, LA, OoX, ALBW, TFH, LoZ and AoL.

[@B3Witch]

omg my thoughts exactly it was so hard to express my opinions and feelings towards the game since the demo came out and NBC, you did it perfectly 😩🙏 i was 10000% into HW AoC till i knew about time travel for these exact reasons. i was ready go buy it on november 20, 8 am at the store but now i think i'll just wait and watch some streams to make up my mind. i stay open and curious but i'm really really scared now.

[@caitlinmiller359]

Watching this long after the fact is a hoot lmao

[@James_Lo]

I groaned when I saw the time portal. Really glad you're bringing this up as it would have been so simple to just keep it in normal Breath of the Wild canon.

[@megustamegiwana434]

Wait, you're my favorite zelda youtuber, my favorite anime is steins gate, and I love erased, I can't, this is too much

[@Supercarlover1]

Icons for Sidon, Yunobo, Teba, and Riju were datamined from the demo along with a few others not seen in the demo gameplay itself. This means they will definitely be playable at some point.

[@remem95]

He intentionally ignored datamines in the video. I'm sure he knows of this.

[@jakedub58]

I think that they are splitting it so that the characters from age of calamity timeline can travel to breath of the wild timeline. I think this because in the sequel trailer takes place after the calamity since everything is destroyed, such as the walls of the Great Plateau.

[@tempest2789]

May you explain yourself better? Why would the characters travel to BoTW time?

[@jakedub58]

Probably to stop Gannondorf from destroying that timeline like he did their’s

[@jakedub58]

I don’t know it is a weird theory anyway I just thought of it in depth right there and then

[@leo_is_not_available]

Timeline travelling.. Nope no no I would just not play that game.

[@fristlyextras5002]

@@jakedub58 LMFAO That seems un needed tho

[@The.Painted.Angel.]

I love your dive into time travel and the fact that you highlighted steins gate and erased (fave animes of mine) im a time travel nerd so your exploration was satisfying knowing that you appear to have similar ideas about time travel and its issues in media

[@markm0817]

That was lucky I just finished one of his other videos

[@noordragneel1657]

NBC at 10:47: But all that means is that they were later moved to Haten- * insert Outro * Me: god dammit NBC you did it again

[@eyald.8252]

good news: It didn't split the community everyone agreed the story doesn't make sense

[@binjee1150]

I feel like the two sets of champions on the tapestry could be refering to the champions who pilot the divine beasts now and the ones from 10,000 years ago. Like its showing them following in their ancestors footsteps

[@chrispork1443]

Yeah, WTF localization?! Hateno’s not located in the Hyrule Ridge! Edit: It’s a good thing I’m working on a Zelda fan fiction that ties the events of the trilogy together and alters some of the dialogue and events to correct continuity issues.

[@WasItSky]

ok epic i love you

[@chrispork1443]

@@WasItSky Wut?

[@TheTriforceDragon]

The Royal Tech Lab Ruins are just north of the Breach of Demise in Breath of the Wild. So it goes reason that is where they were going.

[@chrispork1443]

@@TheTriforceDragon I know, right? How did the localization screw that up?

[@Zelvarado]

@@chrispork1443 But thats the ROYAL tech lab, the one that the royal family owned, thats where pura and robbie did their ancient sheikah tech experiments, the hateno and akala tech lab were made after the calamity. Pura and robbie took as many of the research they could and fled. The locations are consistent and you can go look for the ruins of the royal tech lab in botw

[@brinsonfinch9200]

That intro cutscene is pretty epic

[@yabrielrivera1162]

I think the game will have 2 endings: A good one, when nobody dies and they can save everyone and a bad one, leading to botw, and really I don't mind, as long as is Zelda I will like it.

[@nintendosuperFreak-gv7sw]

but thats alot, having a good ending would meaning no one dying, if the champions where to fight there respective blights (you fight) and you win one with mipha and loose one with daruk dose that mean that the future is reshaped again to when daruk never fought with the three others, i feel like that will add alot of mini time splits

[@krissa9664]

The good one is botw bad one is everyone surviving and it leading to zelda not using the sealing power and a lot of stuff going wrong

[@yabrielrivera1162]

@@nintendosuperFreak-gv7sw well now that you said that it do make a lot sense, but they will maybe make you do the actual "bad" ending the first time you play since it will lead to botw event's then later if you manage to win against every divine beast then you would get the ending when everyone wins, but we will see.

[@yabrielrivera1162]

@@krissa9664 not necessarily, they can do something with the story that will still lead to Zelda awakening her power, like the scroll shows where everyone is fighting Calamity Ganon and then she sees everyone needing her power and awakening it or having Link taking a bad injury but still not killing him.

[@FingolfinEladar]

The problem is that the bad ending will probably have continuity problems with BotW. The demo alone shows some contradictions with BotW

[@thegreatmajora5089]

I think I'm one of the only people who would be fine with the timeline changing. It would be a shame to not get to see how dark the rise of the calamity was, but I've always loved how much the timeline split allowed for "what if" scenarios

[@digimaniacstudios5959]

The way I see it right now we’re at a point where this is either a plot hole super spreader, or a timeline split. If it’s the first one that makes it a poorly written story, if it’s the second one that makes the marketing up to this point a lie. I don’t see how Nintendo can pull this off. You said you’re interest in the went rom 11 to 8, but mine was halved by the opening cutscene, and then lowered later as I saw more and more issues.

[@pkjoan]

*Hears Temporal Spire from PMD2* Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well.

[@andygt2867]

The idea of a time loop is amazing. I think the game will end with the same scene from the beginning. How sad would that be?! The small guardian went back in time for nothing, but he keeps doing it to try and save HER.

[@HerMi.T]

One thing I am disagree with you is that I think it will be bootstrap paradox. Bootstrap paradox is present in Steins gate and Dark in which events are changed but results are always same. The biggest thing is that I think they implement that guardian to explain why characters can use runes or towers in age of calamity where they are not discovered.

[@notalexus8125]

i think AOC might be another timeline in the sense that certain small things are changed (runes, towers, corrupted guardians, etc) but the outcome it still inevitable. i mean nintendo seems to like the idea of inevitability, since (imo) the tl theory that makes the most sense for botw is the inevitability theory, which basically says that no matter what happens in any timeline split, the events of botw will occur one way or another (ie: rito and zora coexisting, etc). so age of calamity could go along with this. no matter what little egg guardian does, botw must happen. the calamity must "win", the champions must die, the kingdom of hyrule must fall, etc.

[@jacobh6239]

Zelda fans: Time travel?! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! DC fans: Huh, so is it gonna be like the Flash where every time a character dies, they're just gonna go back in time and fix it?

[@theyounglinker5044]

I actually thought about that scene in which Constantine convinces Flash to create yet another Flashpoint.

[@Fe.Cata.]

Have you noticed that inside of the shrines there’s no monk? For instance “Coliseum: Expert” in Hyrule Field besides “Outskirt Stable”is empty, just the lift to get in there

[@mank7230]

every game divides the fanbase

[@douglassanchez3141]

No matter what there is going to be a timeline split because of the towers

[@AttackonDragons]

From the title, and what I know from the demo... It might.

[@JoeMaw97]

With the duplicate champions on the tapestry, I always saw it this way: The tapestry is an illustration of the battle with Calamity Ganon from 10'000 years ago, so the champions on the tapestry are the ancient champions. In AoC when we see two of each, I feel like it's as though the people of Hyrule have updated the ancient tapestry, including the current champions (Revali, Daruk, Urbosa and Mipha.) That explains why there's two champions on each divine beast, and the egg guardian has also been included.

[@jasperallred7374]

I really hope that this does ruin my love for botws story and how it was delivered because I think that the reason there making this game is to give people what they wanted story wise for the great calamity but I feel that they are going a bit far and this might take away from that feeling of wonder one gets when watching the memories for the first time not knowing what happened

[@jedos1350]

My prediction is that the game will have multiple endings. The Bad Ending: The events that lead to BOTW. The Good Ending: The time-traveling egg robot manages to prevent the fall of Hyrule.

[@redx5605]

Maybe the reason some people are having frame drops are because it’s being recorded?

[@redx5605]

@sadie adler for their videos

[@redx5605]

@sadie adler then my theory was wrong , I played the demo and haven’t had any problems

[@matias123p00]

Well, the description on the announcement trailer says “it’s a NEW story set 100 years before BOTW”, that could mean Age of Calamity isn’t really a prequel and it wouldn’t lead to what we saw in BOTW but another ending. I’m just speculating but it could be a possibility. Either way, we’ll have to wait until the game release to see what actually it is about.

[@derektaylor3133]

Ugh... 2% of the game is released and already its just negative complaint after another. If you think its going to be bad, don't buy the damn game.

[@shadoww6230]

yet unfortunately they will buy it anyway just so they can have something to complain about

[@Varjax001]

What if, when you complete Age of Calamity, there is a new update in Breath of the Wild and some things change? Personally, I would find that really cool.

[@farhaanj4330]

I don't care what happens, as long as the champions die and Link goes to sleep, I'm fine

[@gracetatom7759]

HA!

[@galenburnett9791]

Haha that ending was so funny! You’re awesome NBC!

[@BXtr3m3ty]

People seriously overthink too much. The tiny time traveling guardian is JUST a story telling element. It will not effect the timeline

[@ricardoislove9718]

This aged like milk.

[@NolansGoons]

While i am one who isnt too fond of the addition of time travel into the story of this game, i feel the potential split isn't as much of an issue as it may seem. As you mentioned earlier on in this video, BOTW (and the subsequent sequel) likely could take place in the timeline the eggboy left, thus making the events of this game that might contradict botw's timeline ultimately wont, because it's a new timeline entirely, though i suppose that's obvious. however, i also feel like claiming this as a timeline split makes it seem too official, even though this game is related to breath of the wild's story, it is important to remember that it still is a side game, a spinoff. no one batted an eye or put any thought into the time-travely nonsense in the original hyrule warriors game (except good ol matpat) and i feel it would be foolish to overthink this case as well, because it's not likely that there will be subsequent games in either end of this "split", and i ultimately still believe that the aspects of the game's story and gameplay that cause plotholes or contradictions can just be written off as dubious canonicity. Ultimately, while the story of this game may be more complicated than it was advertised to be, I'm still gonna appreciate the fact that we're getting to see more of pre-calamity hyrule, as well as the characters we never got to appreciate in the og game, even if it's not the exact retelling of the calamity we were expecting it to be.

[@popcorniumx]

Tbh I trust Nintendo that they’re gonna make this work

[@leo_is_not_available]

Tbh Nintendo isn't great at story telling.

[@showmeyourmoves8551]

Nintendo dont make amazing stories.....

[@popcorniumx]

I didnt mention them making a great or amazing story, I just said I think theyll make it work

[@Hollow97411]

Hi good video, may I reassure you the "Hateno laboratory" is a translation error from the English version I think, in the French version the text refered as the "Royal Ancient laboratory" which is where they go in the story and the place we see in the cutscene.

[@JohnSmith12648]

He basically spoiled the whole game early

[@Turpitude123]

So... i'm the only one who realised that it says that its a ALTERNATIVE story at the beginning of the demo??

[@somesadnerd]

But can it be more controversial than skyward sword?

[@kyleriley9786]

Here's some things to help cement your idea of time traveling not affecting the future that I didn't see mentioned in your video. 1) There is a journal, in Botw, thats states link took down a gardian that went crazy. This could be mentioning the second mission. 2) The egg gardian came though the time gate with malice, and we can assume the malice will try to counteract the egg. 3) At the end of the second mission of AoC, we see what appears to be another egg gardian that is corrupted by malice. We can assume that this egg will try to counteract the other. 4) The egg didn't awaken until Link was mortally wounded and when Hyrule was destroyed. So, odds are it only knows that Hyrule fell. If thats all it knows, it will be harder to prevent the events of the calamity. Hope these points help you in developing a theory for it.